I think the Nostalgia Critic called Taren the first Male Disney “Princess”. In the sense that he checks off most the Disney Princess tropes. He has no mom, lives on a cottage, and dreams of wanting MORE.
Aladdin? That’s not so much a Disney “Princess” archetype, more of the Disney *Protagonist* archetype. It just that most Disney Princesses also happen to *be* the protagonist too.
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic Aladdin already had a princess that better fit the trope :') Together Aladdin and Jasmine would've made the perfect disney princess hahaha
Fun little fact, Tokyo Disneyland had Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour, an attraction where you went down into the dungeons and encountered the Disney villains. The final villain and kinda the boss of it? The Horned King, who told Disney guests he would send their souls to Hell. I think it’s the only time Disney has acknowledged The Black Cauldron in the parks, and it’s them telling the guests that they want their souls. Surprisingly honest of the company.
Kids like to be scared to an extent and that's something modern media is missing out on. Movies like the Secret of Nihm, the Dark Crystal and Black Cauldron were masterpieces of tone and atmosphere.
I do think instead of full on scares children's media uses mysteries as their sources of darker/more mature kids content. Such as Gravity Falls and The Owl House. Both still have creepy imagery but not to the extent of The Black Cauldron or The Dark Crystal, which btw I loved the reboot and was sad when they cancelled it
It's fun to be scared, I love goosebumps and alone in the dark when I was little. I'd always want to watch scary movies too, even though I knew I'd have nightmares afterward. I saw aliens all over for weeks after watching signs, but I'd still watch it again.
Oh yeah, the books are really good! I somewhat remember reading one of The Chronicles of Prydain books when I was younger (though it was a long time ago and I can't remember which one it was).
@@Scarshadow666 If the movie had been under the hands of Jeffrey Katzenberg, it probably would've been a masterpiece, but if disney today is to handle the book series it would have to adapted through disney plus or Fox.
How is it that the movies I really love are the movies that almost destroyed Disney? (Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Black Cauldron are some of my favorite movies)
They are insultingly derivative to the point not even the low-brow audience sees a power fantasy in them, and the audience of Alexander or Verne can only groan. So a mass audience has nothing to look forward to. Especially at Atlantis, hot damn. Good thing it actually doesn't use a verne IP so it isn't super egregious, but it's still terrible sci-fi. Anything good about it can just about be said about League of Extraordinary Gentlemen film too, which equally wouldn't be any better if it used knockoff characters. I have to admit, Treasure Planet did not butcher the spirit of the novel. I still don't like it, but I won't discredit it over faults it doesn't have, and calling it bad at portraying Long john would actually be an insult against the original too.
Not gonna lie if they ever made a full length animated film based on the first Zelda game they should make the art/character designs look like a mix of the old Zelda NES instruction manual and a Studio Ghibli film
Before watching the video while the video is playing while i comment ok look everyone the question is i think the real reason movie had like so terrible writing and also goofier cast and it had a very bit low budget so yeah thats why the movie so failed
For years, YEARS I TELL YOU, I my brain has merged my memories of this and Sword in the Stone to the point where I thought these were actually the same movie because it's been so long since I watched them. Seeing a review of The Black Cauldron now makes me wanna watch all my favorite childhood movies with my son.
In the Finnish dub, the Horned King is called Hornansarvi, which means Hellhorn/Horn of Hell ("horna" is an old Finnish word for Hell.) I remember really liking the darker tone as a kid and the name Hellhorn added to that.
This was one of my all time favorite Disney movies as a child, (even tho it lowkey traumatized me). I still go back to it and watch it all the time. The animation, the dark aesthetics are Soo good. I'm glad Tim Burton didn't stay tbh, I like the classic Disney style more for the feel of this movie.
Man, I loved the voice acting for the Horned King. I suggest you guys have a listen to it in Greek, perhaps with captions on. It will make your hair stand, exactly like the Greek version of Scar and Frolo.
The Black Cauldron is one of the best fantasy-archtype movies ever made. For kids, for young adults, for adults wanting to go back to childhood. You can say that "well some of it is confusing" (and yes a lot of scenes were cut because corporate investors ruin shit), but I honestly think that it is heavily based on whether or not the viewer has history in fantasy rule books like dungeons and dragons. For example, Hen Win is a magical creature, specifically, one that specializes in Divination. When a person casts a divination spell, you always run the risk of being seen by someone else. Divination magic is an echo, a ripple in the water (hence the ripple animations in the bowl scene). This echo, this ripple, can be detected by any other being or consciousness that is in the same water, that is in the same "lake". A single drop of blood in the ocean can be detected by a shark 10 miles away. The Horned King, IS, the shark. If you cast Divination on another spellcaster who is of equal or higher level than you, they CAN and WILL look back at you. "He knows..." Another example being the ending scene with the cauldron. Taran is obviously thrown much closer to the cauldron than the Horned King, but it is the horned king that is pulled in instead. Of course *blah blah its a kids movie what do you expect* , but this is also explained by the movie when given a bit contextual implication. We are told that a LIVING and WILLING person of GOOD heart and intention, can stop the cauldrons power. The cauldron, is not a simple magical item. It is haunted by the spirit of an evil spell caster so utterly vile his own hatred for life made his will and magic unstoppable, and could only ever be contained. To put another way, the worst possible torture you could ever render onto the evil spirit within the cauldron, is by putting a good hearted soul into it. That cauldron is where the evil spirit lives. It doesn't want to consume or live with good hearted souls. It wants to consume evil, and spread evil. It isn't a devil or a demon, it doesn't gain more power from consuming good hearted souls. It is STOPPED by good hearted souls. So, when the witches called for Gurgi's soul from the depths of the Cauldron, the evil spirit was more than happy to oblige, hence the fairy tale ending for Gurgi. The design team of this movie did such an incredible job preserving their work from the corporate overreach.
"The Black Cauldron" holds such a special place in my heart. I remember watching it and loved it so much that I went out trick-or-treating as Taran on Halloween, 2004 (when I was six). I had a little cauldron where I put the candy I got. To my surprise, not many people got that I was going out as Taran, and not Peter Pan. That was my first hint that not many people know of this film. It's honestly sad that this movie did so poorly when it was released in cinemas, and it's equally sad that it's not a movie that's very well known. I got the movie on DVD for my birthday this year and watched it that night in my room. Since I was a kid, I've heard reviews, positive and negative, and seen reactions to this movie. Because of said reviews, I've learned of the problems with this movie, yet these problems did not taint my perception of this movie. It's still as good as I remember it. It's no masterpiece--I get people's issues with it, and, if Disney does a live action remake of this, it would probably work better as a series--but it's definitely an underrated film worth watching. ADDITION: In defense of Taran for straight up committing grave robbery, he just escaped from a dungeon and is trying to get out of the castle. If he were to get caught, he might have been thrown back in the dungeon, or worse, executed. He might not have gotten another chance to get a weapon.
Definitely up there as one of my favorite guilty-pleasure movies as a kid! As an adult now, the sequences with the Horned King and the Cauldron-born undead army are some of my favorite moments! Also not surprised that generation-gap issues would've affected the production of this movie - the older guys sound like the last few guys that worked with Walt Disney back when he was alive, and were used to a creative and production process that would've been way different than what was around post-Counter Culture Era.
For the longest time I thought this movie was a videogame. As a kid I wanted to play videogames but my parents didn't have any kid friendly ones so they ended up putting this movie on and handing me an unplugged controller. I was convinced I was playing a game not watching a movie. I had vague memories for years and I looked it up as a teen and was shocked to find out it had been a movie.
@@lunaticoni I think he was confusing it with other animated games, such as "Dragon's Lair" basically qte scenes chained together. I'm pretty sure there were a few games in this style at the time.
There actually was a Sierra game made based on the movie and like many of the animators he mentioned, it pushed quite a few programmers on to better projects while the original game fizzled out. Its possible you played the computer game
I've always and still adore this movie. The only thing I always disliked was gurgi, I remember when I was like seven being super mad they didn't let him stay dead and they brought him back. I had a shit ton of nightmares from this movie but I still watched it all the time. Always great to see people talking about, great vid as always!
@@SukiNoKoe Poor Gurgi! His film counterpart was #disneyfied to the point of becoming a Cheeta the chimp expy in all but name. Yup, Cheeta himself/herself is usually played by young chimps (sometimes males, sometimes females) because adult chimps are dangerous beasts.
ive read the novels, they're great, there was a lotta stuff from the series condensed into this one movie and I thought they did a decent job. However in the book series taran's character has a lot more time to grow and goes from a lil child hoping for glory to a war torn man who knows wassup
As a kid, that thing dying and then being revived gave me the emotional roller-coster i've never experienced to this day. I remember the emotional DISTRESS caused by its sacrifice was unbearable. I was VERY relieved they brought it back.
I used to love this movie as a kid, because it was so terrifying. The horned king was honestly pretty scary. For me it was up there with the wolf from neverending story.
Oh what I wouldn't give to see the movie with all the chopped segments included. Hell, I'd watch a 3hr animatic if that's what it amounted to. I loved this movie as a kid and choppy as it is, the nostalgia is still so strong.
My nephew who’s 4 years younger than me wanted to watch this movie every time it was his turn to pick a VHS or DVD when we were kids. I cried every single time because it *terrified* me. Still gives me the creeps, but I’m able to appreciate it more as an adult.
I haven't seen this movie since I was some 6 years old on VHS. All I really remembered is that it was on of my favorites and my sister hated it! Was a lot of inspiration for some drawing I did too. After being refreshed, I think I would love to see a redo of this film and I am now very interested in the books, because I had no idea they existed!
It would be so cool if you talked about Code Lyoko, I remember watching it as a kid, and now looking back at how weird it is. I just think more people should know about the utter chaos this show possesses.
I was hella scarred by this movie I saw it in preschool and now I'm a horror movie lover . But yea jeez that sound nutty and I would love if they readapted this story . This deserves a remake or a TV series
Sword in the stone vibes and Skeletor is the final boss. I do like the ending, the kid gives up the item that will make him a hero so that he can become a hero on his own.
Man. I grew up on this movie, it was my childhood and it slapped, looking back on it now there's Alot of issues with it. But seeing this makes me wanna blow off my old VHS tape of the film and watch it all over again.
When I was a kid I loved this movie, it was one of my first and favorite Disney movies that I watched and it’ll always have a special place in my heart, even though it’s not the best movie I still love it so much
As a kid I had no idea that this movie was so dark and disturbing because I never finished the movie I put it on once then Gurgi popped up and was so annoying I changed the tape to another never watched it until I heard about it as an adult
Ya .. sounds like a story that is probably fantastic as a novel, could have been great as a film but just didn't get handled to its full potential .. which sucks because I love this era of Disney and other animated movies. This style of animation is packed with nostalgia, hand painted backdrops and especially when you get those flashing and electrified special effects the contrast with everything else in the frame makes things like the magic sword look absolutely awesome .. so, Disney, please just redo this movie and make it better
The Black Cauldron is a movie I never got to see as a child but was always curious because somebody, probably a teacher, actually painted a mural dedicated to the movie on a wall in my elementary school (next to one for Horton Hatches the Egg). I always loved that wall bc the paintings were so well done and made our school seem so inviting to imagination. (Lake View Elementary off Auburn-Black Diamond Rd in Washington State, late '90s; not sure if the murals are still there).
When I was a kid in like 6th grade, we had to bring in a picture of our favourite Disney character to use as a reference to draw. I brought in my DVD case of the black cauldron because I LOVED it, and literally no one heard of it. My teacher didn't believe it was a Disney movie and tried to get me in trouble for some reason (this sounds crazy but she was a bitch tbh. We called her Ms. NesBitch to the point I hardly remember her real name.)
Also a couple of things: The Nine Old Men were the core team of animators who worked on the Disney Animated Canon, shorts, and even theme park rides from since before Snow White until they slowly started retiring in the decade after Walt's death. Milt Kahl was one of them, and his characters include (but are not limited to) Pinocchio, Peter Pan, Tigger, Shere Khan, and Madame Medusa. Andreas Deja was one of the great animation stars of the new guard, and HIS characters include (but are not limited to) King Triton, Gaston, Jafar, Scar, and Hercules.
I actually have this on dvd, alongside treasure planet (whose disc is thoroughly scratched to pieces) I honestly really liked this one, though Gurgi was a character I couldn't tell if I loved or hated at any given time
this movie haunted me when i was like 7 years old but rewatching it was such a nostalgic experience i really love it and then you made a video on it shortly after :D
The Black Cauldron didn't almost end Disney, it saved it. After Walt Disney's death, the company was floundering, the animated movies weren't as popular as they were in Walt's time. The big financial losses of The Black Cauldron gave the company a wake up call, motivating them to up their game and usher in the Disney Renaissance.
I mean, it can do both. It almost ended them...but because it didn't, that ended up saving them since they learned from it. Though I think the main lesson they learned was about listening to new voices. Up to this production it was basically just the old guard working on stuff, but that group was starting to retire. BC's production was basically them trying to just shove new folks in under the older folks to disastrous affect...which ended up changing the ethos of how they onboarded new talent into the production process, and the underlying factor that ultimately brought the Renaissance.
My god this movie legit traumatized me as a kid I had so many nightmares and it took me YEARS before I was able to watch it again. And It still terrifies me
What's your source for Don Bluth's last film production at Disney being the Black Cauldron? From everything I've seen, He and about 17 fellow animators left Disney in 1979 during the production of The Fox and the Hound. His first feature length film was The Secret of NIMH, released in 1982.
Great video... and if there's one thing you're right about, you should absolutely, one hundred percent, read the books! I have the exact box set you showed at 1:39, and I freaking love them! I'd especially be interested in hearing your thoughts on some of the parts that were different in the books. BTW, it was only the first two that made the basis of the movie, not the entire series.
This movie scarred me for life, like there is a specific scene that gave me nightmares for awhile. But also was my first crush, the princess may or may not have shaped what I want in a partner. So very confusing movie, but iconic for my childhood.
I watched this movie on Vhs when i was a kid, was my favourite movie back than even tho i always shit in my pants at that scene of the horn king death.
I loved this movie as a kid, but I've always been attracted to dark and frightening atmospheres. As such, I really love all of Disney's darker films. I remember buying the Black Cauldron on tape when I was like 10 and I couldn't stop rewatching it. I only wish Disney would release it uncut, but I'm sure that will never happen; they hardly ever acknowledge it's existence in the first place.
Read the books a few years ago and fell in love. Up there with the Last Unicorn, movie and book, in "things I wish I had grown up with". At least I had this movie and the Secret of NIMH to carry me through.
I once read the german Wikipedia entry about the books and there was mentioned that 'Prydain' is an early form of the name 'Britain' and the story happens in kind of ancient past.
holy shit i forgot this movie existed and then i got whiplashed with nostalgia a few minutes into your video. i love it so much, though realising now it is a ride of a storyline lmao.
This was wonderful and I am so happy to have come across this by accident. So much more informative, comical, intelligent than most youtube content providers these days. Also, I like your style it feels very cosy which I again i like. Not just shouting at the camera, "edge" jokes or meme jokes that don't land. Subscribing now! Awesome video 👍👍👍
Taran and Princess Eilonwy reminds me of Link and Zelda in the old Zelda cartoon show. Taran at least don't annoyingly shouts "WELL EXCUUUuuuUUUUuuuUUUSE ME PRINCESS!" during the whole movie
My favorite part of this movie is when the fluffy dog-like creature falls into the large cauldron. Love how not even the cauldron was satisfied with that thing, it basically demanded a redo
I watched this movie as a kid and I really loved it , so seeing someone knowing it and reacting this positively to it aswell, made me really happy to see today. Especially after a shitty day lmao
if you want another dark Disney movie, I recommend The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Great songs and characters and story. One of my favorite animated movies tbh
as a child i loved this movie also the horned king/the undead scene scared the shit out of me still love it to this day even tho it sure has its problems.
Kids who actually watched it growing up in the mid 80s and early 90s loved it, while everyone else is like WTF. This could use a live action remake by Disney turn it into a trilogy
Tim Burton wasn't exactly an established director with a distinct style during Black Cauldron, and I don't think he was "braught in" for that reason. Like, he hadn't even done his short film Frankenweenie when TBC was first in production. He submitted concept art for the film, but he wasn't even a major crew member making decisions on the movie. Working at Disney was one of his first jobs out of film school, and to my knowledge, he was a minor animator who first did work on Fox and The Hound. Specifically, he did a lot of wide shots and backgrounds because he described his detailed drawings of the main characters "looked like roadkills". He's mentioned in the past that he never liked working for disney because his style never meshed with what they were looking for, and this put him through a major depressive period in his life. It's a legitimatly interesting origin story for his career.
Oh god, the Welsh butchery Oh god. As a Welsh person I must correct. “Prydain” is Welsh for “Britain”, and it’s pronounced like “pruh-die-n”. That’s all I’m correcting-I won’t touch the “ll”s, “ch”s, “f”s and “ff”s with a sixty foot pole
I loved this movie when I finally saw it when it came out on VHS. I read the books in 4th grade and was astounded when my teacher told me there was a movie.
I remember seeing this movie with some of the cut stuff in, but is was like so many, many years back that I could have dream it, but sure, it was really, really dark.
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I think the Nostalgia Critic called Taren the first Male Disney “Princess”. In the sense that he checks off most the Disney Princess tropes. He has no mom, lives on a cottage, and dreams of wanting MORE.
Aladdin?
That’s not so much a Disney “Princess” archetype, more of the Disney *Protagonist* archetype.
It just that most Disney Princesses also happen to *be* the protagonist too.
Don't forget the animal buddy
so a disney prince
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic He said "first" not "only"
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic Aladdin already had a princess that better fit the trope :') Together Aladdin and Jasmine would've made the perfect disney princess hahaha
Fun little fact, Tokyo Disneyland had Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour, an attraction where you went down into the dungeons and encountered the Disney villains. The final villain and kinda the boss of it? The Horned King, who told Disney guests he would send their souls to Hell. I think it’s the only time Disney has acknowledged The Black Cauldron in the parks, and it’s them telling the guests that they want their souls. Surprisingly honest of the company.
That is so sweet of them. The Japanese division of Disney is aware of The Black Cauldron's existence rather than the Western division.
Creepy 😮
Kids like to be scared to an extent and that's something modern media is missing out on. Movies like the Secret of Nihm, the Dark Crystal and Black Cauldron were masterpieces of tone and atmosphere.
I do think instead of full on scares children's media uses mysteries as their sources of darker/more mature kids content. Such as Gravity Falls and The Owl House. Both still have creepy imagery but not to the extent of The Black Cauldron or The Dark Crystal, which btw I loved the reboot and was sad when they cancelled it
It's fun to be scared, I love goosebumps and alone in the dark when I was little. I'd always want to watch scary movies too, even though I knew I'd have nightmares afterward. I saw aliens all over for weeks after watching signs, but I'd still watch it again.
All of those were my favorites growing up. Kids definitely like to be a lil scared sometimes lol
Well also Jim Henson wanted the kids to be scared and let them know it's okay to be scared.
Why else would 'scary stories to tell in the dark' be such a children's book bestseller
My parents showed me this movie as a kid and I loved how dark and eerie it was, probably fed into my appreciation for the grimm-dark
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I remember loving it as a kid as well.
Grew up with this movie. Loved it as well!
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Pretty much.
BionicPig, I strongly suggest reading the books. They are really good and explain WAY more than in the movie, and the ending is just spectacular.
Oh yeah, the books are really good! I somewhat remember reading one of The Chronicles of Prydain books when I was younger (though it was a long time ago and I can't remember which one it was).
Well, you sold me. I’m off to give Amazon my money.
Ditto! They are incredibly good. I saw the movie first when I was a kid and decided to pick up the books, and absolutely adored them.
@@Scarshadow666 If the movie had been under the hands of Jeffrey Katzenberg, it probably would've been a masterpiece, but if disney today is to handle the book series it would have to adapted through disney plus or Fox.
I actually hate the ending XD but it's a wonderful series
How is it that the movies I really love are the movies that almost destroyed Disney? (Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Black Cauldron are some of my favorite movies)
Those are the artistic and daring movies that just aren’t palatable for general audiences to go to i guess
@@jestonrademaker2430 Nailed it like the fucking Romans
Me too homie,, idk exactly why either, ig it just has its own little charm bc of that
They are insultingly derivative to the point not even the low-brow audience sees a power fantasy in them, and the audience of Alexander or Verne can only groan. So a mass audience has nothing to look forward to. Especially at Atlantis, hot damn. Good thing it actually doesn't use a verne IP so it isn't super egregious, but it's still terrible sci-fi. Anything good about it can just about be said about League of Extraordinary Gentlemen film too, which equally wouldn't be any better if it used knockoff characters.
I have to admit, Treasure Planet did not butcher the spirit of the novel. I still don't like it, but I won't discredit it over faults it doesn't have, and calling it bad at portraying Long john would actually be an insult against the original too.
Yeah I totally love all three movies and hate that they barely get love
This movie is one of the closest things we’ve gotten to a Zelda movie.
Especially since the main character is also just a small child with a destiny or sumn
That and Legend by Ridley Scott (the film where Tim Curry is the devil)
I'm kinda partial to Kurmanjan Datka.
Not gonna lie if they ever made a full length animated film based on the first Zelda game they should make the art/character designs look like a mix of the old Zelda NES instruction manual and a Studio Ghibli film
For real
I really loved this movie as a kid it's an underrated gem
Before watching the video while the video is playing while i comment ok look everyone the question is i think the real reason movie had like so terrible writing and also goofier cast and it had a very bit low budget so yeah thats why the movie so failed
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
Would've helped Disney if they made the entire book series into 3 animated movies.
This was one of the first Disney animated films to get a PG rating. And keep in mind this is 80’s PG.
A majority of classic PG animated movies got away with curse words back then. Lol.
For years, YEARS I TELL YOU, I my brain has merged my memories of this and Sword in the Stone to the point where I thought these were actually the same movie because it's been so long since I watched them. Seeing a review of The Black Cauldron now makes me wanna watch all my favorite childhood movies with my son.
The saddest part is your not the only one these were my favorite two movies
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
I can see it for sure.
The same thing happened to me! I just watched The Black Cauldron expecting The Sword in the Stone events and was immediately confused
In the Finnish dub, the Horned King is called Hornansarvi, which means Hellhorn/Horn of Hell ("horna" is an old Finnish word for Hell.)
I remember really liking the darker tone as a kid and the name Hellhorn added to that.
I remember my grandma having this on VHS when i was younger, old finnish dubs are absolute gems
Horna is a great band
A full-on Tim Burton version of this that was more adult-oriented probably would have been amazing
Damn, there are a lot of movies that have nearly put Disney out of commission permanently
This was one of my all time favorite Disney movies as a child, (even tho it lowkey traumatized me). I still go back to it and watch it all the time. The animation, the dark aesthetics are Soo good. I'm glad Tim Burton didn't stay tbh, I like the classic Disney style more for the feel of this movie.
Man, I loved the voice acting for the Horned King. I suggest you guys have a listen to it in Greek, perhaps with captions on. It will make your hair stand, exactly like the Greek version of Scar and Frolo.
John heard voice the Horned King
The Black Cauldron is one of the best fantasy-archtype movies ever made. For kids, for young adults, for adults wanting to go back to childhood. You can say that "well some of it is confusing" (and yes a lot of scenes were cut because corporate investors ruin shit), but I honestly think that it is heavily based on whether or not the viewer has history in fantasy rule books like dungeons and dragons.
For example, Hen Win is a magical creature, specifically, one that specializes in Divination. When a person casts a divination spell, you always run the risk of being seen by someone else. Divination magic is an echo, a ripple in the water (hence the ripple animations in the bowl scene). This echo, this ripple, can be detected by any other being or consciousness that is in the same water, that is in the same "lake". A single drop of blood in the ocean can be detected by a shark 10 miles away. The Horned King, IS, the shark. If you cast Divination on another spellcaster who is of equal or higher level than you, they CAN and WILL look back at you. "He knows..."
Another example being the ending scene with the cauldron. Taran is obviously thrown much closer to the cauldron than the Horned King, but it is the horned king that is pulled in instead. Of course *blah blah its a kids movie what do you expect* , but this is also explained by the movie when given a bit contextual implication. We are told that a LIVING and WILLING person of GOOD heart and intention, can stop the cauldrons power. The cauldron, is not a simple magical item. It is haunted by the spirit of an evil spell caster so utterly vile his own hatred for life made his will and magic unstoppable, and could only ever be contained.
To put another way, the worst possible torture you could ever render onto the evil spirit within the cauldron, is by putting a good hearted soul into it. That cauldron is where the evil spirit lives. It doesn't want to consume or live with good hearted souls. It wants to consume evil, and spread evil. It isn't a devil or a demon, it doesn't gain more power from consuming good hearted souls. It is STOPPED by good hearted souls. So, when the witches called for Gurgi's soul from the depths of the Cauldron, the evil spirit was more than happy to oblige, hence the fairy tale ending for Gurgi.
The design team of this movie did such an incredible job preserving their work from the corporate overreach.
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
"The Black Cauldron" holds such a special place in my heart. I remember watching it and loved it so much that I went out trick-or-treating as Taran on Halloween, 2004 (when I was six). I had a little cauldron where I put the candy I got. To my surprise, not many people got that I was going out as Taran, and not Peter Pan. That was my first hint that not many people know of this film. It's honestly sad that this movie did so poorly when it was released in cinemas, and it's equally sad that it's not a movie that's very well known.
I got the movie on DVD for my birthday this year and watched it that night in my room. Since I was a kid, I've heard reviews, positive and negative, and seen reactions to this movie. Because of said reviews, I've learned of the problems with this movie, yet these problems did not taint my perception of this movie. It's still as good as I remember it. It's no masterpiece--I get people's issues with it, and, if Disney does a live action remake of this, it would probably work better as a series--but it's definitely an underrated film worth watching.
ADDITION: In defense of Taran for straight up committing grave robbery, he just escaped from a dungeon and is trying to get out of the castle. If he were to get caught, he might have been thrown back in the dungeon, or worse, executed. He might not have gotten another chance to get a weapon.
Definitely up there as one of my favorite guilty-pleasure movies as a kid! As an adult now, the sequences with the Horned King and the Cauldron-born undead army are some of my favorite moments!
Also not surprised that generation-gap issues would've affected the production of this movie - the older guys sound like the last few guys that worked with Walt Disney back when he was alive, and were used to a creative and production process that would've been way different than what was around post-Counter Culture Era.
For the longest time I thought this movie was a videogame. As a kid I wanted to play videogames but my parents didn't have any kid friendly ones so they ended up putting this movie on and handing me an unplugged controller. I was convinced I was playing a game not watching a movie. I had vague memories for years and I looked it up as a teen and was shocked to find out it had been a movie.
Lmao ur parents did you dirty
Dude WTF? How you didn't noticed their actions never changed?
@@lunaticoni I think he was confusing it with other animated games, such as "Dragon's Lair" basically qte scenes chained together. I'm pretty sure there were a few games in this style at the time.
There actually was a Sierra game made based on the movie and like many of the animators he mentioned, it pushed quite a few programmers on to better projects while the original game fizzled out. Its possible you played the computer game
@tailsofpearls wait really??? I have to find this game then!
I've always and still adore this movie. The only thing I always disliked was gurgi, I remember when I was like seven being super mad they didn't let him stay dead and they brought him back. I had a shit ton of nightmares from this movie but I still watched it all the time. Always great to see people talking about, great vid as always!
I just left a comment saying pretty much the same thing 😂 This movie was great and terrifying but I absolutely hated Gurgi with a passion lol
lol glad to know I wasn't the only one as a little kid who just wanted him to stay dead
They did my boy Gurgi hella dirty for the movie.
Almost completely changed the character
Gurgi's so annoying in the movie; in the books he is like the most loyal friend anyone could have ;_;
@@SukiNoKoe Poor Gurgi! His film counterpart was #disneyfied to the point of becoming a Cheeta the chimp expy in all but name.
Yup, Cheeta himself/herself is usually played by young chimps (sometimes males, sometimes females) because adult chimps are dangerous beasts.
“Cutest pig we must protect at all costs” 😂😂😂
ive read the novels, they're great, there was a lotta stuff from the series condensed into this one movie and I thought they did a decent job. However in the book series taran's character has a lot more time to grow and goes from a lil child hoping for glory to a war torn man who knows wassup
Rip John Hurt. You were a fantastic actor and the perfect voice for the Horned King.
As a kid, that thing dying and then being revived gave me the emotional roller-coster i've never experienced to this day. I remember the emotional DISTRESS caused by its sacrifice was unbearable. I was VERY relieved they brought it back.
I remember watching this movie as a kid and being absolutely terrified of it. I was NOT one of those kids that liked to be scared
lol
I used to love this movie as a kid, because it was so terrifying. The horned king was honestly pretty scary. For me it was up there with the wolf from neverending story.
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
I thought it was a gorgeous film about maturity and childhood, definitely the most fringe of Disney films, the gothic vibes are strong
Oh what I wouldn't give to see the movie with all the chopped segments included. Hell, I'd watch a 3hr animatic if that's what it amounted to. I loved this movie as a kid and choppy as it is, the nostalgia is still so strong.
Seems like they couldn't keep anyone on this project. What a nightmare. Great video!
Old animation has so much character I love it
Did you know the late, great John Hurt is the voice of the horned king?
Your pronunciation of Prydain is killing me. But those books are absolute classics and that movie scared me for life
My nephew who’s 4 years younger than me wanted to watch this movie every time it was his turn to pick a VHS or DVD when we were kids. I cried every single time because it *terrified* me. Still gives me the creeps, but I’m able to appreciate it more as an adult.
and seeing where disney has gone...the timeline where this DID end disney was probably the better one
I haven't seen this movie since I was some 6 years old on VHS. All I really remembered is that it was on of my favorites and my sister hated it! Was a lot of inspiration for some drawing I did too.
After being refreshed, I think I would love to see a redo of this film and I am now very interested in the books, because I had no idea they existed!
The books are awesome, highly recommended!
It would be so cool if you talked about Code Lyoko, I remember watching it as a kid, and now looking back at how weird it is. I just think more people should know about the utter chaos this show possesses.
Love this Disney movie. It is very underrated.
u always end up covering my childhood favourites. this was such a good movie to watch growing up for me
I was hella scarred by this movie I saw it in preschool and now I'm a horror movie lover . But yea jeez that sound nutty and I would love if they readapted this story . This deserves a remake or a TV series
Sword in the stone vibes and Skeletor is the final boss. I do like the ending, the kid gives up the item that will make him a hero so that he can become a hero on his own.
Man. I grew up on this movie, it was my childhood and it slapped, looking back on it now there's Alot of issues with it. But seeing this makes me wanna blow off my old VHS tape of the film and watch it all over again.
When I was a kid I loved this movie, it was one of my first and favorite Disney movies that I watched and it’ll always have a special place in my heart, even though it’s not the best movie I still love it so much
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
As a kid I had no idea that this movie was so dark and disturbing because I never finished the movie I put it on once then Gurgi popped up and was so annoying I changed the tape to another never watched it until I heard about it as an adult
love the black cauldron such a classic i’ve told people about it and they didn’t even know it existed
18:56 That blew me away from my seat, didn't know Taran could make a comeback like that
Whenever I think about this movie, I always remember how creepy it was when I was a kid
Ya .. sounds like a story that is probably fantastic as a novel, could have been great as a film but just didn't get handled to its full potential .. which sucks because I love this era of Disney and other animated movies. This style of animation is packed with nostalgia, hand painted backdrops and especially when you get those flashing and electrified special effects the contrast with everything else in the frame makes things like the magic sword look absolutely awesome .. so, Disney, please just redo this movie and make it better
Now Disney + drops dog shit on the regular and no one bats an eye
The Black Cauldron is a movie I never got to see as a child but was always curious because somebody, probably a teacher, actually painted a mural dedicated to the movie on a wall in my elementary school (next to one for Horton Hatches the Egg). I always loved that wall bc the paintings were so well done and made our school seem so inviting to imagination. (Lake View Elementary off Auburn-Black Diamond Rd in Washington State, late '90s; not sure if the murals are still there).
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
When I was a kid in like 6th grade, we had to bring in a picture of our favourite Disney character to use as a reference to draw. I brought in my DVD case of the black cauldron because I LOVED it, and literally no one heard of it. My teacher didn't believe it was a Disney movie and tried to get me in trouble for some reason (this sounds crazy but she was a bitch tbh. We called her Ms. NesBitch to the point I hardly remember her real name.)
Also a couple of things:
The Nine Old Men were the core team of animators who worked on the Disney Animated Canon, shorts, and even theme park rides from since before Snow White until they slowly started retiring in the decade after Walt's death. Milt Kahl was one of them, and his characters include (but are not limited to) Pinocchio, Peter Pan, Tigger, Shere Khan, and Madame Medusa.
Andreas Deja was one of the great animation stars of the new guard, and HIS characters include (but are not limited to) King Triton, Gaston, Jafar, Scar, and Hercules.
Great vid as always! I actually loved all of the darker tone Disney films or any dark animated films for that matter✨🙌🏾👏🏾
I actually have this on dvd, alongside treasure planet (whose disc is thoroughly scratched to pieces) I honestly really liked this one, though Gurgi was a character I couldn't tell if I loved or hated at any given time
this movie haunted me when i was like 7 years old but rewatching it was such a nostalgic experience i really love it and then you made a video on it shortly after :D
YEEEES I'VE WAITED FOR THIS! This movie disturbed me as a child, lol. Gonna rewatch it now.
The Black Cauldron didn't almost end Disney, it saved it. After Walt Disney's death, the company was floundering, the animated movies weren't as popular as they were in Walt's time. The big financial losses of The Black Cauldron gave the company a wake up call, motivating them to up their game and usher in the Disney Renaissance.
I mean, it can do both. It almost ended them...but because it didn't, that ended up saving them since they learned from it.
Though I think the main lesson they learned was about listening to new voices. Up to this production it was basically just the old guard working on stuff, but that group was starting to retire. BC's production was basically them trying to just shove new folks in under the older folks to disastrous affect...which ended up changing the ethos of how they onboarded new talent into the production process, and the underlying factor that ultimately brought the Renaissance.
You look so much like Kevin Smith in the thumbnail that my stoned ass was legit confused when the notification came up 😂
My god
this movie legit traumatized me as a kid
I had so many nightmares and it took me YEARS before I was able to watch it again.
And It still terrifies me
I loved this movie as a kid. This and the Page Master. They were my go to
Hello! I never seen this movie and it’s always so good to see your channel!
I love you so much man, your videos never fail to fill me with nostalgia and joy ❤️ PETA JONES!!
What's your source for Don Bluth's last film production at Disney being the Black Cauldron? From everything I've seen, He and about 17 fellow animators left Disney in 1979 during the production of The Fox and the Hound. His first feature length film was The Secret of NIMH, released in 1982.
loving the improvement on the format dude, awesome vid
Great video... and if there's one thing you're right about, you should absolutely, one hundred percent, read the books! I have the exact box set you showed at 1:39, and I freaking love them! I'd especially be interested in hearing your thoughts on some of the parts that were different in the books. BTW, it was only the first two that made the basis of the movie, not the entire series.
This movie scarred me for life, like there is a specific scene that gave me nightmares for awhile. But also was my first crush, the princess may or may not have shaped what I want in a partner. So very confusing movie, but iconic for my childhood.
13:06 the bionic pig almost unleashed his inner Rykard
This was my FAVORITE disney movie as a kid. The horned king scared the heck out of me but it was just so good
I watched this movie on Vhs when i was a kid, was my favourite movie back than even tho i always shit in my pants at that scene of the horn king death.
I loved this movie as a kid, but I've always been attracted to dark and frightening atmospheres. As such, I really love all of Disney's darker films. I remember buying the Black Cauldron on tape when I was like 10 and I couldn't stop rewatching it. I only wish Disney would release it uncut, but I'm sure that will never happen; they hardly ever acknowledge it's existence in the first place.
I had this movie on VHS I watched it a lot of times as a kid... no wonder I have become a sociopath! This had tons of subliminal messages
Finally.
Been waiting all week for this .
Binged through all his other vids already and I found him a few weeks ago
Read the books a few years ago and fell in love. Up there with the Last Unicorn, movie and book, in "things I wish I had grown up with". At least I had this movie and the Secret of NIMH to carry me through.
I once read the german Wikipedia entry about the books and there was mentioned that 'Prydain' is an early form of the name 'Britain' and the story happens in kind of ancient past.
holy shit i forgot this movie existed and then i got whiplashed with nostalgia a few minutes into your video. i love it so much, though realising now it is a ride of a storyline lmao.
It never ceases to amaze me I actually watched this movie and totally forgot until now. EVERY TIME
This was wonderful and I am so happy to have come across this by accident. So much more informative, comical, intelligent than most youtube content providers these days. Also, I like your style it feels very cosy which I again i like. Not just shouting at the camera, "edge" jokes or meme jokes that don't land.
Subscribing now! Awesome video 👍👍👍
Looking so good daddy. Glad to see you back in my feed.
I remember watching this movie on VHS at my grandma's house, when i was like 7 or so. I always loved this movie.
“Gi” in Gurgi means “dog” (mutated from “ci”).
Also, I’d like to take the time that the cute pig Hen Wen is literally called “old smile”. Ah. Lovely.
Makes sense, since Gurgi always reminded me of a miniature schnauzer
I used to have nightmares about this movie but I also watched it so much because I loved scary things. Even now it means a lot to me
One of my favorite movies as a kid. I had it on VHS and watched it often.
I don't know how I found this channel, but you crack me up.
Taran and Princess Eilonwy reminds me of Link and Zelda in the old Zelda cartoon show. Taran at least don't annoyingly shouts "WELL EXCUUUuuuUUUUuuuUUUSE ME PRINCESS!" during the whole movie
you should 100% read the books!!! they’re absolutely fantastic. i’ve read them so many times as a child and still love them to this day
This movie might just be the reason why I love horror movies and fantasy. I loved this when I was 8.
My favorite part of this movie is when the fluffy dog-like creature falls into the large cauldron. Love how not even the cauldron was satisfied with that thing, it basically demanded a redo
I watched this movie as a kid and I really loved it , so seeing someone knowing it and reacting this positively to it aswell, made me really happy to see today. Especially after a shitty day lmao
This was my favorite movie as a child, and is in my top three favorite Disney movies
if you want another dark Disney movie, I recommend The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Great songs and characters and story. One of my favorite animated movies tbh
It was... meh.
@@kootunesscrewy what do you like, out of curiosity
as a child i loved this movie also the horned king/the undead scene scared the shit out of me still love it to this day even tho it sure has its problems.
Really nailed the intro brother
i remember really liking this movie, didnt know it was disney
The Black Cauldron shaped my youth, for sure- and also Gurgi is by far the best character in Predaine
Kids who actually watched it growing up in the mid 80s and early 90s loved it, while everyone else is like WTF. This could use a live action remake by Disney turn it into a trilogy
Tim Burton wasn't exactly an established director with a distinct style during Black Cauldron, and I don't think he was "braught in" for that reason. Like, he hadn't even done his short film Frankenweenie when TBC was first in production. He submitted concept art for the film, but he wasn't even a major crew member making decisions on the movie. Working at Disney was one of his first jobs out of film school, and to my knowledge, he was a minor animator who first did work on Fox and The Hound. Specifically, he did a lot of wide shots and backgrounds because he described his detailed drawings of the main characters "looked like roadkills". He's mentioned in the past that he never liked working for disney because his style never meshed with what they were looking for, and this put him through a major depressive period in his life. It's a legitimatly interesting origin story for his career.
Oh god, the Welsh butchery
Oh god. As a Welsh person I must correct.
“Prydain” is Welsh for “Britain”, and it’s pronounced like “pruh-die-n”.
That’s all I’m correcting-I won’t touch the “ll”s, “ch”s, “f”s and “ff”s with a sixty foot pole
Maybe Dalbin is his adoptive parent. Perhaps he was family friend. It seems so
The uncut version of this movie needs to be released as 12 minutes of footage is missing from this movie
the horned king and army of the dead is the aesthetic disney should've stuck with
I loved this movie when I finally saw it when it came out on VHS. I read the books in 4th grade and was astounded when my teacher told me there was a movie.
I remember seeing this movie with some of the cut stuff in, but is was like so many, many years back that I could have dream it, but sure, it was really, really dark.