One of my favorite races, a curious fact was that in the novels it was expanded upon; the geths ended up not only killing those they considered hostile, but everything and everyone according to a VI that lived through the war. That was a brutal genocide; in less than a year, they murdered billions. Even those who supported them eventually fled to the fleet to avoid being killed. They even killed the aliens living in quarian territory, as mentioned by an asari on Illium in Mass Effect 2.
Where did it say that the supporters were being killed by the geth? From what I understood the government killed the supporters and the geth proceeded to wage war
Similar to how the krogan treat the genophage matter, most quarians like to stress the fact that they were on the receiving end of a near-genocide at the hands of the geth. While that is true, they often completely disregard or downplay the fact that they tried to commit genocide on the geth first, for the sole reason of them gaining consciousness, despite still being peaceful. The geth then defended themselves and even let them escape in the end. Most of the time, they justify this stance via disregarding the geth as an actual lifeform. Tali: The geth drove us from our homeworld! Admiral Koris: Of course they did. We tried to kill them.
@@ONI_SectionAPersonnel-tf5un The problem with that is that it's also not true that the Quarian government attempted genocide; the Geth committed it. Before asserting that the Geth let them go, they did so when only a million (an extremely small number for an entire population) managed to escape the system. They didn't pursue them because they didn't know the consequences of annihilating an entire species and feared how the rest of the organics would react. Therefore, they decided to be isolationists and essentially shape the rest of the galaxy's perception based on what they exhibited during the genocide. In other words, if they had known that eliminating them wouldn't have consequences, they would have done it. The Geth didn't leave a quarter; they left less than that. Furthermore, there's a huge difference between the Geth and basically any other race: the Geth are not individuals; they don't know individuality. While I agree on self-defense, we shouldn't portray them as if they didn't know what they were doing. The Geth targeted civilians, innocents, and killed billions, something that even Legion doesn't deny. They didn't just kill the responsible ones. The Geth complain about their reputation, but isolating themselves for 300 years and killing even those who had nothing to do with the conflict tarnished their reputation.
@@SomeTuberr The person above must be referring to the novels following Mass Effect 3, especially one from Andromeda featuring a woman who lived through the war. It portrays that the geth didn't just target those against them or neutral parties, but they reached a point where they started attacking indiscriminately. Honestly, it kinda makes sense. I wouldn't really take the geth consensus as the 'canon' version, because it's riddled with inconsistencies and seems to overly glorify the geth, especially when Legion already revealed their actions in Mass Effect 2, even reiterating it on Tuchanka, which is supported by characters who lived through that era, like the asari whose daughter was killed by the geth.Also, we know from Legion in the third game that even though they claim they don't lie, they can manipulate or withhold information And before anyone brings it up, there's nothing wrong with the geth presenting their perspective, but Mass Effect 3 doesn't really present it that way. The game seems to be trying to evoke sympathy for the geth, almost like it's propaganda Ignoring things that were already confirmed. It may also be that the consensus ended up like this because Mass Effect 2 and 3 only have a 2-year difference between them. The game came out so quickly that they brought in new writers, and it shows with several subplots and their endings.
@@ONI_SectionAPersonnel-tf5un Yeah, I'm totally in favor of them getting a shot at life, but let's be honest, the Council's decision-making is questionable at best. The Council would have forced them to dismantle or be invaded. So, it's hard to believe they would have come up with better solutions. I mean, just take a look at the Citadel Archives. The Council gives its Spectres the green light to commit genocides, and they didn't hesitate to shut down their AIs when they started becoming too self-aware. The thing with the geth version is, it's just not that believable. They paint the geth as these peaceful victims who always wanted to talk to the galaxy, which totally contradicts what we've seen in the other games and novels. Take Legion, for example. He's the first geth in centuries to try to talk to us, and that was mainly because of the Reaper threat. They were so scared that they started scanning dark space with a giant telescope. And yet, they weren't exactly welcoming. I think there's a part where a quarian guy named Shio tries to communicate with them and ends up fleeing for his life, then comes back and tries to talk to them only for the same thing to happen. And let's not forget, in the other games, they've always been hostile to anyone who tries to communicate with them. They never bothered to engage in dialogue with anyone who approached them. And wiping out almost the entire quarian population? That's another level. They pretty much wiped out 99.9% of them, which means most of those people were innocent civilians. Sure, the quarians started the war, but the geth didn't just defend themselves; they went to kill. Defending yourself is one thing, but what they did? That's another level.
Tali was my favorite character from the Mass Effect series and I've always wanted to know more about the Quarians because of it. Great video! Well played.
The one reason i wanted a sequel to the dissapointing Andromeda was the fate of the quarian arc. But with how things are going...that might never happen. Good video
I just realize that the Quarians are very similar to the Eldar, where they were on top of the world but eventually losing everything and being forced to live in colony ships for the rest of their lives well also being somewhat hunted down by their creations.🐱
Exactly! Replaying through the trilogy last year I started to realize just how much Mass Effect draws from other sci-fi media, especially sci-fi books. This is not at all a complaint, its one of my favorite books. But There is SO MUCH Dune in Mass Effect that I can't believe it took me all these years to recognize it lol. Was a teen last time I read Dune though so I'm gonna use that as my excuse. Like you said Quarians =Eldar Also Krogan=Freman in few different ways. 1. Hostile as hell home planed that makes them into some of the galaxies best warriors 2. Thresher Maws are literally just sand worms lol 3. Relatively comparable rights of passage 🤔 Damnit! Had a ton of examples when I started typing this, and now they're all gone 😅
Also when you think about it they may have been responsible for the reapers coming. Reapers show up when civilisations develop AI, Quarians built the Geth, so it’s their fault the Reapers decided to invade
One of the most interesting races in Mass effect. Probably my favorite race. The decision between legion and tali was one of my personal highlights. I betrayed legion and then the quarian fleet anhilated the geth fleet. That was epic.
Is it a betrayal? What if you never really tried to trust Legion and just did his loyalty quests and the side missions of Rannoch? All those objectives serve to save quarian lives as well. Having an AI (important because they are more vulnerable to indoctrination than organics, which we've seen are severely weak to it anyway) ask you to download reaper upgrades to EVERY Geth is a huge unreasonable risk that we can only make because we have the benefit of knowing "Paragon good".
@@clarencewalters338Well actually it was the fake legion because the real legion was "killed" in me2. But the other point is I don't like artifical intelligence. It's no real life and I don't think it has a place in this world. Certainly not in the sense that we should treat dead things like it's alive. So actually I am kind of a biological life supremacist if you want call it like that. In my second playthrough Legion was "alive" and I reluctantly went with the decision the game wanted me to make. But if tali had requested to kill legion and destroy the geth that would have been my decision. They Paragon renegade sytem is probably the biggest weakness of me in general, because it's way to simplistic. We really shouldn't view the world as black and white, because ilife is Always grey.ish. and Game developers should be less riskaware and explore our Grey Nature much more. That's more interesting and more realistic.
@@bluewizzard8843 I'm not an organic supremacist, however I was paying attention to background information. All info points to Reaper tech ALWAYS being a bad idea to use. Vigil states(based on several 10s of centuries of data mind you) that Synthetic organisms succumb to the effects of indoctrination easier than organics because they're code that can be reprogrammed, whereas a sapient organic organism requires time and careful cultivation. So despite my liking Legion, at the time it appeared he was going to make the fundamental mistake of using Reaper tech I naturally assumed he was either indoctrinated or in the process of succumbing to it. Legion absolutely REFUSED this very idea, it's what he was trying to stop during his loyalty mission. Without the knowledge of future events and game mechanics, the responsible choice even if you sympathize with the Geth is to make the decision that saves the most life as we currently know it.
@@clarencewalters338 the reason legion wants the upgrades is because the Quarians are literally destroying his race when they lose the upgrades. It's an act of survival, sometimes we are forced into situations where our principles and survival are pit against each other. Also, Vigil never said the synthetics were indoctrinated, he only stated they're probably more USEFUL for the reapers than the keepers that evolved to only listen to the citadel.
@@itsgabbybtch5587 They literally changed the whole purpose of the geth for Mass Effect 3. Every time you talk to Legion, it seems to talk about how the geth want to be one, want to be like organics, when in Mass Effect 2 they rejected individuality. It's simply bad writing because by Mass Effect 3, Legion says that this has always been their goal.
These guys inspired one of the alien races in my sci-fi story before I even knew why they wore the suits. My aliens wear similar full body suits because they come from an extremely cold planet with an extremely thick ozone layer, so they have no sweat glands nor natural immunity to UV radiation.
May i ask what the name of this species is? I’ve been working on a shared universe kind of thing, where each story comes from a different author, but is set in the same galaxy. I could send you some notes, if you like
I'm super stoked you returned back to Mass Effect lore!! I love your Cyberpunk lore, which got me hooked onto your channel, but I definitely digged your Mass Effect lore videos!
The Quarians as well as Tali Zorah are my favorite - I completely relate with them and how they're mistreated by society and I have no idea why but I love the concept of how Shepard and Tali have this forbidden love thing because she can't take off her helmet without antibiotics and a yacht load of herbs. Btw: Tali is my #1 romance choice in Mass Effect - not once have I ever gone a full playthrough of romancing anyone else
Tali is one of the best, I'll give you that but Liara is still my favorite. I feel like you just get so much more of liara's character by running a romance of her, especially with some of the DLC that ended up coming with me2.
The Quarians built up a culture of victimhood, but when you look at the actual history of the game universe, they illegally experimented with AI, then rather than own up to it, they tried to wipe out that AI and lost. The only reason they get "mistreated by society" is their penchant for taking things that don't belong to them when visiting other cultures. Most of their problems, they brought on themselves. The Quarians are probably the most awful species in the game, other than maybe the Krogan. The Quarians are arrogant and aggressive and entitled, but utterly convinced that the galaxy has done *them* wrong. They launched not one, but three wars against the Geth. And then you show up in ME3 and even though anyone other than a full Renegade Shepard pushed for peace in ME2, they've launched yet another unprovoked war on the Geth as the Reapers are on the Galaxy's doorstep.
@@theveteransergeant What are you talking about? Literally, throughout the entire game, we never saw a Quarian steal or do anything to justify mistreatment by another race. Show me a single scene of them stealing, and even then, it wouldn’t justify the treatment they receive from other races, since that was 300 years ago. For the council, it was better to exterminate the Geth from the beginning, and the Quarians are not victims; that genocide was committed. The Quarian government wanted to shut down the Geth and did start the war, forcing the Geth to defend themselves. However, the Geth didn’t stop there; they wiped out 99.9% of the entire Quarian population, which means the vast majority were innocent men, women, and children. The Quarian government attempted genocide, and the Geth committed it. The claim that the Quarians attack 100% of the time is also false, as there is evidence that Quarians stood by the Geth despite the martial law that required them to turn them in. So that’s basically a lie because before Mass Effect 1, they didn’t even know Tali existed; she was the first Quarian to see them in three centuries. The council races treat Quarians as second-class citizens and they suffer severe discrimination, originally for having created the Geth, but now more due to a mix of institutionalized racism and prejudice against their situation as nomads. We find out that Citadel businesses are legally allowed to refuse to hire Quarians, that C-Sec will take any excuse to arrest them for vagrancy and expel them from the station, assuming they are always guilty if accused of a crime, and they are regularly referred to with insults like 'suit rat.' So how can they not complain and hate the council? They have good reasons to do so.
Awesome work as always. Quarians have always been interesting to me both in their esthetic with the suits and how much of a close knit society they are. Which can work both ways.
Peace between the geth and quarians remains the best outcome for both races. It began with attempted genocide (from quarians to geth), then retaliatory genocide (geth driving quarians to exile), finally vengeful genocide (quarians to geth after returning to Rannoch) Choosing between Tali or Legion just continues the cycle of extermination. Peace through Legion's sacrifice is the only way for it to stop.
Although to be honest, I believe that if that remaining million hadn't escaped, the Geth would have killed them. Legion explains it was a logical decision rather than a moral one, fearing how other races would act. Coupled with their extreme isolationism to the point of firing at diplomatic ships, I wouldn't blame anyone for not seeing them as friendly. In fact, I think Legion was the first non-hostile Geth in 300 years
There is a theory that this is what broke the cycle and this is why Shepard gets the choice to end the cycle at the end of 3. Because it was the first time in any cycle organics and synthetics had tried to move forward together, peacefully. If you think about the choice in this context you are pretty much playing God with the galaxy in that, final choice
Honestly, I never liked their romance, but the lore of the Quarians is incredible. I always choose them over the Geths mainly because I like their lore more."
One thing I remember is their ancestors were known to the Protheans and considered very attractive. And I think their one kid per couple policy makes no sense because that means their population will constantly be dropping massively even without plagues, accidents or combat losses.
That policy is not set forever, only when the fleet's resources are very stressed, and even when the population decreases, incentives are given to those who have more children
The Protheans used to eat the flesh of intelligent races including humans, krogan, salarians, and they researched other races. It's no wonder the asari became a power due to the gifts and Prothean technology that their species kept hidden from other races@@rdf4315
It's Hard to tell about How many species lived out there on the Stars, even if an alien species having a hard time adapting to everything like, Technology Advancement, Space Travel, Gathering Resources and Getting their Militaries up and running. But I'm hoping for another Video about the Reapers, because I see them in Combat in the videos and I want to know how they are that strong at Annihilating all Species that quick
The reason why is explained in game though. To quote Sovereign "Your society develops along the lines we desire." Because races in the Mass Effect universe become reliant on the mass relays and the citadel, they are effectively going down a technological and developmental road designed to make them easier to harvest when the Reapers arrive. If you were to pitch the Reapers against other sci fi factions, they wouldn't do nearly as well because they would lose those advantages.
I would imagine there military strategies are like how animals fight in packs. Because they are technically indestructible in mass effect they can just get up close and rip a ship apart
It's not the "opposite digestive system" but opposite chirality of their molecular structures I believe. That basically means that their molecules are mirror images of ours. And having one child per couple results in population decline, that' kinda obvious if you think about it.
I remember when first playing the game years ago, sympathizing with the Quarians because of Tali being your squadmate. As I got older and wiser, I realized just how awful the Quarians are, launching not one, but three wars against the Geth who never did anything aggressive against them. The Quarians built up a false victim complex in their society where they believed they were the aggrieved party, but Legion reveals in ME3 that it was the Quarians who had started the war by trying to wipe the Geth out, and the Geth had just responded to protect their existence. The fact that the Geth had allowed the retreating Quarians to escape is the stark difference. The Quarians have never had the intention of allowing the Geth to do the same.
Old and wiser? That’s not true; it’s just your opinion. That's it. I also played the games and I’ve never romanced Tali; I prefer the Quarians over the Geth, mainly because their culture is more interesting.. the conflict is not that way ,yes the Quarian government wanted to shut down the Geth and did start the war, forcing the Geth to defend themselves, however, the Geth did not stop there, they wiped out 99.9% of the entire Quarian population (that would mean the vast majority would be innocent men women and children). The Quarian Government attempted genocide, the Geth committed it. The claim that the Quarians attack 100% of the time is also false, as there are evidences that Quarians stood by the Geth despite the marshal law that they had to turn them in. So that's basically a lie. and before you say the Geth let them go, they did so when the last couple million (an extremely small number for an entire population) managed to escape the system, they didn't follow because they didn't know the consequences of wiping out an entire species and feared how the rest of the organics would react so they decided to be isolationists. In other words if they knew there'd be no consequences for wiping them out, they would have done so. The Geth did not leave a quarter, they left less than that.
Which 3 wars in 3 centuries? The only one was the Rannoch war 300 years ago and the one in Mass Effect 3. I also played the game for the first time years ago and sympathized more with the Geths, but over time I stopped supporting them because of the genocide, their isolationism, and because they are experts at shooting before asking, even at diplomats.
No, not that either. They were never created for that purpose or enslaved. That's nonsense And the Geth committed brutal genocide; they are not victims
Alright, I know this is crazy, but hear me out... space cat people. Rannoch is kinda like the African savanna, like lions traveling in packs, explaining their Digitigrade legs. But like leopards, they used trees to hide their food and hunt, over time they would change into bipedal species for hunting. They would also have hair or at least fur, because they were the main pollenators, and hair would be better at trapping pollen. It's far fetched but it make somekind of sense, at least to me.
If you take the fact that the council outlawed AI before the morning war The quarian government's reaction was completely reasonable if illogical! The consequences for accidentally creating AI would more than likely be just the same as intentionally doing it And the quarians formally had a embassy which they lost! If the geth hadn't happened the quarians would've more than likely had a council seat by now or at least still have a embassy and voice in citadel matters!
Ah, I see the Citadel Council's policy of, "Well it doesn't negatively affect our species, so appeasement of monsters and screw the victim it is", has a long and proud tradition. The only reason I bothered saving the Destiny Ascension, is because it would be a waste to throw such a powerful asset away before the coming war.
They have literally been threatened for 300 years, even when they try to colonize other worlds like Ekuna, which was in the Terminus Systems, a territory that wasn't theirs and where their presence could start a war, in addition to their expeditions.
I'm guessing your meaning is they're seen as odd because they gave up on the possibility of retaking Ranoch?? I had to run it back twice lol. The way you worded it had me thinking you were implying the Quarians left the surface of Ranoch for Andromeda. I'm beginning to realize I just misinterpreted what you said. But I'd already typed most of this out, fuck it! I'm sending it! Lol Excellent work btw. Been fiending for some Mass Effect, but already played through the trilogy, I don't even know how many times over the years and the books absolutely do NOT hold up 😔 Loved all the books back in the day but reading them now???? MEH 🤷♂️
The Quarians are probably my least favorite Mass Effect race, because they remind me too much of some of the worst aspects of human nature. They're the sole cause of their own misery and suffering, but blame everyone else but themselves. Admiral Koris is a real one though. He's the only Quarian in the series to openly admit that they were wrong, and continued to be wrong about the Geth, and should have given up their wars years ago and settled somewhere else and adapted. Like Legion said in ME2 when Koris and Shepard asked it about peace, it answers that peace is dependent on the Quarians, not on the Geth. "When the Creators have believed victory was possible, they have attacked us 100% of the time.". Then Mass Effect 3 begins with the Quarians having started another unprovoked genocidal war against the Geth, having destroyed their Dyson Sphere.
You’ve played the novels and the games; literally, the Geth did commit that genocide-get over it. The council denied them any planet for three centuries. Besides, why do you think they sent people to Andromeda? They were desperate to find a home. Rannoch was their last option, but the Geth fanboys forget that.
@@CHARLYE-b4h sorry to hear about your traumatic brain injury, but the game is very clear. Even in Mass Effect 1, Shepard tells Tali that the Quarians were wrong, and that it's hard to feel sorry for them when they tried to wipe out the Geth and lost. The Quarians are desperate to find a home because they lost their home for trying to conduct a genocide and losing. Sucks to be them, but they were wiped out by the Geth because they started a genocidal war against the Geth and lost. I know you Quarian fangirls don't understand how morality works. You just like Tali, and your digitigrade leg fetish disables your ability to use logic and reasoning.
@@theveteransergeant Old man with all the fetish stuff I lost respect for you and insulting with brain damage I lost even more respect for you, I don't even like his romance or Tali but seeing a geth fanboy that the only thing he knows is to insult it is obvious that you are not capable of empathy No matter who started it, there was a genocide, the geths committed it and I don't know if you noticed but throughout the entire first game it is literally derogatory to the geths, there is only one friendly dialogue towards the geths and that is the rest of the dialogues from the first game. It is presented as genocidal and cruel machiens that kill everyone who tries to communicate with them, which is true.
@@theveteransergeant the Council denies them permission to colonize, they treat them like trash-how can they not hate them? They left them with no options for 3 centuries
@@carlosdavidsabogalmotta4327 Hopefully we get to see their true faces in ME5, it's not like the whole Todd Howard MO of keeping the mystery mysterious so that speculation can last for years and decades. As for that photo, I'm not sure if the artist meant that as official.
@@anderporascu5026According to it is official, in Mass Effect 3 they literally placed the photo of one of the people who worked there but for the legendary edition they made the entire photographic model from scratch. So canonically they are very similar to humans, plus in a bad Andromeda book it said the same thing
@@carlosdavidsabogalmotta4327 Very well then, no mysteries left there. All that remains is to be granted the ability to play as the other races and be revealed who the Jaardan are.
Not going to lie. While watching this i just kept thinking of the A.I. Curious NSFW rule 34 animation. 😏😂 (I know, I am a heathen) But on the real, love seeing one of my favorites universes showing up on this channel! Brilliant work! Keep at it!
It's maintained for periods of time; when the population increases too much to the point that resources become scarce, they establish the law, but when it's over, they deactivate it
Well maybe they need to actually shrunk. They have to live in a fleet so it's maybe necessary to become fewer to keep the fleet itself more sutainable. Ships are expensive and with zero planets to exploit, their ressources must be severly limited.
Vitor proved they aren't very mentally strong. Also the one child law would render them a dying species, guaranteed. They need two kids per couple to maintain current numbers. Assuming everyone has a mate and there are equal numbers of each sex. Probably just an oversight.
Viktor was a traumatized teenager; he was the exception, not the rule. Additionally, the game literally tells us that the asari are responsible, but in the end, it turns out they are hiding technology that could save millions. The game also tells us that the turians are proud soldiers, but Garrus is quite the opposite. He admits that his military career was a disgrace, his career in C-Sec never advanced because he clashed with officials, and his attempt to become a Spectre ultimately failed
Not at all, what are you talking about? They were based on the humans from Battlestar Galactica. They only say that because of the veil, and the reason is simple-they wanted to imitate the human look. They were never inspired by the Iraqis, what are you talking about?
@@johnloa2009 Yes, the humans from Battlestar Galactica. In fact, if you look at the art book or the internet, or if you buy them, they tell you right there that they were based on the humans from the colonies of Galactica
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Hoping the next ME is good and not just a "Andromeda 2".
One of my favorite races, a curious fact was that in the novels it was expanded upon; the geths ended up not only killing those they considered hostile, but everything and everyone according to a VI that lived through the war. That was a brutal genocide; in less than a year, they murdered billions. Even those who supported them eventually fled to the fleet to avoid being killed. They even killed the aliens living in quarian territory, as mentioned by an asari on Illium in Mass Effect 2.
Where did it say that the supporters were being killed by the geth? From what I understood the government killed the supporters and the geth proceeded to wage war
Similar to how the krogan treat the genophage matter, most quarians like to stress the fact that they were on the receiving end of a near-genocide at the hands of the geth. While that is true, they often completely disregard or downplay the fact that they tried to commit genocide on the geth first, for the sole reason of them gaining consciousness, despite still being peaceful. The geth then defended themselves and even let them escape in the end. Most of the time, they justify this stance via disregarding the geth as an actual lifeform.
Tali: The geth drove us from our homeworld!
Admiral Koris: Of course they did. We tried to kill them.
@@ONI_SectionAPersonnel-tf5un The problem with that is that it's also not true that the Quarian government attempted genocide; the Geth committed it. Before asserting that the Geth let them go, they did so when only a million (an extremely small number for an entire population) managed to escape the system. They didn't pursue them because they didn't know the consequences of annihilating an entire species and feared how the rest of the organics would react. Therefore, they decided to be isolationists and essentially shape the rest of the galaxy's perception based on what they exhibited during the genocide. In other words, if they had known that eliminating them wouldn't have consequences, they would have done it. The Geth didn't leave a quarter; they left less than that.
Furthermore, there's a huge difference between the Geth and basically any other race: the Geth are not individuals; they don't know individuality. While I agree on self-defense, we shouldn't portray them as if they didn't know what they were doing. The Geth targeted civilians, innocents, and killed billions, something that even Legion doesn't deny. They didn't just kill the responsible ones. The Geth complain about their reputation, but isolating themselves for 300 years and killing even those who had nothing to do with the conflict tarnished their reputation.
@@SomeTuberr The person above must be referring to the novels following Mass Effect 3, especially one from Andromeda featuring a woman who lived through the war. It portrays that the geth didn't just target those against them or neutral parties, but they reached a point where they started attacking indiscriminately. Honestly, it kinda makes sense. I wouldn't really take the geth consensus as the 'canon' version, because it's riddled with inconsistencies and seems to overly glorify the geth, especially when Legion already revealed their actions in Mass Effect 2, even reiterating it on Tuchanka, which is supported by characters who lived through that era, like the asari whose daughter was killed by the geth.Also, we know from Legion in the third game that even though they claim they don't lie, they can manipulate or withhold information
And before anyone brings it up, there's nothing wrong with the geth presenting their perspective, but Mass Effect 3 doesn't really present it that way. The game seems to be trying to evoke sympathy for the geth, almost like it's propaganda Ignoring things that were already confirmed. It may also be that the consensus ended up like this because Mass Effect 2 and 3 only have a 2-year difference between them. The game came out so quickly that they brought in new writers, and it shows with several subplots and their endings.
@@ONI_SectionAPersonnel-tf5un Yeah, I'm totally in favor of them getting a shot at life, but let's be honest, the Council's decision-making is questionable at best. The Council would have forced them to dismantle or be invaded. So, it's hard to believe they would have come up with better solutions. I mean, just take a look at the Citadel Archives. The Council gives its Spectres the green light to commit genocides, and they didn't hesitate to shut down their AIs when they started becoming too self-aware. The thing with the geth version is, it's just not that believable. They paint the geth as these peaceful victims who always wanted to talk to the galaxy, which totally contradicts what we've seen in the other games and novels. Take Legion, for example. He's the first geth in centuries to try to talk to us, and that was mainly because of the Reaper threat. They were so scared that they started scanning dark space with a giant telescope. And yet, they weren't exactly welcoming. I think there's a part where a quarian guy named Shio tries to communicate with them and ends up fleeing for his life, then comes back and tries to talk to them only for the same thing to happen.
And let's not forget, in the other games, they've always been hostile to anyone who tries to communicate with them. They never bothered to engage in dialogue with anyone who approached them. And wiping out almost the entire quarian population? That's another level. They pretty much wiped out 99.9% of them, which means most of those people were innocent civilians. Sure, the quarians started the war, but the geth didn't just defend themselves; they went to kill. Defending yourself is one thing, but what they did? That's another level.
Tali was my favorite character from the Mass Effect series and I've always wanted to know more about the Quarians because of it. Great video! Well played.
keelah se'lai
Was not expect her romance arc to be so wholesome yet so heart breaking
The one reason i wanted a sequel to the dissapointing Andromeda was the fate of the quarian arc. But with how things are going...that might never happen. Good video
I just realize that the Quarians are very similar to the Eldar, where they were on top of the world but eventually losing everything and being forced to live in colony ships for the rest of their lives well also being somewhat hunted down by their creations.🐱
Still 10 times better than those pointy ear xeno scum lmao. Sorry if you love the Eldar 😅
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Hey at least they didn't muder fuck a new god into existence like the Eldar
Exactly! Replaying through the trilogy last year I started to realize just how much Mass Effect draws from other sci-fi media, especially sci-fi books.
This is not at all a complaint, its one of my favorite books. But There is SO MUCH Dune in Mass Effect that I can't believe it took me all these years to recognize it lol. Was a teen last time I read Dune though so I'm gonna use that as my excuse.
Like you said Quarians =Eldar
Also Krogan=Freman in few different ways.
1. Hostile as hell home planed that makes them into some of the galaxies best warriors
2. Thresher Maws are literally just sand worms lol
3. Relatively comparable rights of passage
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Damnit! Had a ton of examples when I started typing this, and now they're all gone 😅
Also when you think about it they may have been responsible for the reapers coming.
Reapers show up when civilisations develop AI, Quarians built the Geth, so it’s their fault the Reapers decided to invade
Mass effect has a special spot in my heart, amazing video!
Thank you so so much dude really appreciate the love 😁
One of the most interesting races in Mass effect. Probably my favorite race. The decision between legion and tali was one of my personal highlights. I betrayed legion and then the quarian fleet anhilated the geth fleet. That was epic.
Is it a betrayal? What if you never really tried to trust Legion and just did his loyalty quests and the side missions of Rannoch? All those objectives serve to save quarian lives as well. Having an AI (important because they are more vulnerable to indoctrination than organics, which we've seen are severely weak to it anyway) ask you to download reaper upgrades to EVERY Geth is a huge unreasonable risk that we can only make because we have the benefit of knowing "Paragon good".
@@clarencewalters338Well actually it was the fake legion because the real legion was "killed" in me2. But the other point is I don't like artifical intelligence. It's no real life and I don't think it has a place in this world. Certainly not in the sense that we should treat dead things like it's alive. So actually I am kind of a biological life supremacist if you want call it like that. In my second playthrough Legion was "alive" and I reluctantly went with the decision the game wanted me to make. But if tali had requested to kill legion and destroy the geth that would have been my decision. They Paragon renegade sytem is probably the biggest weakness of me in general, because it's way to simplistic. We really shouldn't view the world as black and white, because ilife is Always grey.ish. and Game developers should be less riskaware and explore our Grey Nature much more. That's more interesting and more realistic.
@@bluewizzard8843 I'm not an organic supremacist, however I was paying attention to background information. All info points to Reaper tech ALWAYS being a bad idea to use. Vigil states(based on several 10s of centuries of data mind you) that Synthetic organisms succumb to the effects of indoctrination easier than organics because they're code that can be reprogrammed, whereas a sapient organic organism requires time and careful cultivation. So despite my liking Legion, at the time it appeared he was going to make the fundamental mistake of using Reaper tech I naturally assumed he was either indoctrinated or in the process of succumbing to it. Legion absolutely REFUSED this very idea, it's what he was trying to stop during his loyalty mission. Without the knowledge of future events and game mechanics, the responsible choice even if you sympathize with the Geth is to make the decision that saves the most life as we currently know it.
@@clarencewalters338 the reason legion wants the upgrades is because the Quarians are literally destroying his race when they lose the upgrades. It's an act of survival, sometimes we are forced into situations where our principles and survival are pit against each other. Also, Vigil never said the synthetics were indoctrinated, he only stated they're probably more USEFUL for the reapers than the keepers that evolved to only listen to the citadel.
@@itsgabbybtch5587 They literally changed the whole purpose of the geth for Mass Effect 3. Every time you talk to Legion, it seems to talk about how the geth want to be one, want to be like organics, when in Mass Effect 2 they rejected individuality. It's simply bad writing because by Mass Effect 3, Legion says that this has always been their goal.
These guys inspired one of the alien races in my sci-fi story before I even knew why they wore the suits.
My aliens wear similar full body suits because they come from an extremely cold planet with an extremely thick ozone layer, so they have no sweat glands nor natural immunity to UV radiation.
May i ask what the name of this species is? I’ve been working on a shared universe kind of thing, where each story comes from a different author, but is set in the same galaxy. I could send you some notes, if you like
I wonder they would get along with the quarian
I'm super stoked you returned back to Mass Effect lore!! I love your Cyberpunk lore, which got me hooked onto your channel, but I definitely digged your Mass Effect lore videos!
This was brilliant friendo
Thanks you man! Means a lot as always 😁
Ayo 2 of my favorite lore channel here. Nice
one of the coolest looking races in the game.
The Quarians as well as Tali Zorah are my favorite - I completely relate with them and how they're mistreated by society and I have no idea why but I love the concept of how Shepard and Tali have this forbidden love thing because she can't take off her helmet without antibiotics and a yacht load of herbs.
Btw: Tali is my #1 romance choice in Mass Effect - not once have I ever gone a full playthrough of romancing anyone else
Tali is one of the best, I'll give you that but Liara is still my favorite. I feel like you just get so much more of liara's character by running a romance of her, especially with some of the DLC that ended up coming with me2.
The Quarians built up a culture of victimhood, but when you look at the actual history of the game universe, they illegally experimented with AI, then rather than own up to it, they tried to wipe out that AI and lost. The only reason they get "mistreated by society" is their penchant for taking things that don't belong to them when visiting other cultures. Most of their problems, they brought on themselves.
The Quarians are probably the most awful species in the game, other than maybe the Krogan. The Quarians are arrogant and aggressive and entitled, but utterly convinced that the galaxy has done *them* wrong. They launched not one, but three wars against the Geth. And then you show up in ME3 and even though anyone other than a full Renegade Shepard pushed for peace in ME2, they've launched yet another unprovoked war on the Geth as the Reapers are on the Galaxy's doorstep.
@@theveteransergeant What are you talking about? Literally, throughout the entire game, we never saw a Quarian steal or do anything to justify mistreatment by another race. Show me a single scene of them stealing, and even then, it wouldn’t justify the treatment they receive from other races, since that was 300 years ago. For the council, it was better to exterminate the Geth from the beginning, and the Quarians are not victims; that genocide was committed. The Quarian government wanted to shut down the Geth and did start the war, forcing the Geth to defend themselves. However, the Geth didn’t stop there; they wiped out 99.9% of the entire Quarian population, which means the vast majority were innocent men, women, and children. The Quarian government attempted genocide, and the Geth committed it.
The claim that the Quarians attack 100% of the time is also false, as there is evidence that Quarians stood by the Geth despite the martial law that required them to turn them in. So that’s basically a lie because before Mass Effect 1, they didn’t even know Tali existed; she was the first Quarian to see them in three centuries. The council races treat Quarians as second-class citizens and they suffer severe discrimination, originally for having created the Geth, but now more due to a mix of institutionalized racism and prejudice against their situation as nomads.
We find out that Citadel businesses are legally allowed to refuse to hire Quarians, that C-Sec will take any excuse to arrest them for vagrancy and expel them from the station, assuming they are always guilty if accused of a crime, and they are regularly referred to with insults like 'suit rat.' So how can they not complain and hate the council? They have good reasons to do so.
Yes! Excited to listen to all your upcoming Mass Effect content!
Awesome work as always. Quarians have always been interesting to me both in their esthetic with the suits and how much of a close knit society they are. Which can work both ways.
Peace between the geth and quarians remains the best outcome for both races.
It began with attempted genocide (from quarians to geth), then retaliatory genocide (geth driving quarians to exile), finally vengeful genocide (quarians to geth after returning to Rannoch)
Choosing between Tali or Legion just continues the cycle of extermination. Peace through Legion's sacrifice is the only way for it to stop.
Although to be honest, I believe that if that remaining million hadn't escaped, the Geth would have killed them. Legion explains it was a logical decision rather than a moral one, fearing how other races would act. Coupled with their extreme isolationism to the point of firing at diplomatic ships, I wouldn't blame anyone for not seeing them as friendly. In fact, I think Legion was the first non-hostile Geth in 300 years
There is a theory that this is what broke the cycle and this is why Shepard gets the choice to end the cycle at the end of 3. Because it was the first time in any cycle organics and synthetics had tried to move forward together, peacefully. If you think about the choice in this context you are pretty much playing God with the galaxy in that, final choice
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i love tail her romance is so sweet
When a squad mate is so good it makes their race easily one of the best
Honestly, I never liked their romance, but the lore of the Quarians is incredible. I always choose them over the Geths mainly because I like their lore more."
Once again, no matter if it's a Human or Alien problem, the Council either does fuck all, or actively makes the situation worse.
@@isengarde9490 that’s how you know it’s written well, it reflects real politics very well. Thoughts and feelings over actions and consequences
@@NormadYT The council is curiously capable of extinct an entire race just to comply with a law that they themselves violate.
Yeah well I guess even in a highly advanced space society, politicians will be politicians.
Thank you for this video! Quarians are my favorite... well, I even still have one as my profile pic :D
One thing I remember is their ancestors were known to the Protheans and considered very attractive. And I think their one kid per couple policy makes no sense because that means their population will constantly be dropping massively even without plagues, accidents or combat losses.
That policy is not set forever, only when the fleet's resources are very stressed, and even when the population decreases, incentives are given to those who have more children
Yeah javik talked about the quarians as if he met many in his life time.
The Protheans used to eat the flesh of intelligent races including humans, krogan, salarians, and they researched other races. It's no wonder the asari became a power due to the gifts and Prothean technology that their species kept hidden from other races@@rdf4315
@@rdf4315im sure he met many 😏
Why don't the Quarians just expand their ships with galvanized square steel and eco friendly wood veneer?
Tali is the best
It's Hard to tell about How many species lived out there on the Stars, even if an alien species having a hard time adapting to everything like, Technology Advancement, Space Travel, Gathering Resources and Getting their Militaries up and running.
But I'm hoping for another Video about the Reapers, because I see them in Combat in the videos and I want to know how they are that strong at Annihilating all Species that quick
The reason why is explained in game though. To quote Sovereign "Your society develops along the lines we desire." Because races in the Mass Effect universe become reliant on the mass relays and the citadel, they are effectively going down a technological and developmental road designed to make them easier to harvest when the Reapers arrive. If you were to pitch the Reapers against other sci fi factions, they wouldn't do nearly as well because they would lose those advantages.
I would imagine there military strategies are like how animals fight in packs. Because they are technically indestructible in mass effect they can just get up close and rip a ship apart
For the quarian, Tali is one of the best nerdy girl character ever made in the game industry.
Nicely done video, hopefully you'll cover more Mass Effect lore like David Anderson and Kahlee Sanders.
Right off the bat, pictures of the variety of the Citadel Council races.
It's not the "opposite digestive system" but opposite chirality of their molecular structures I believe. That basically means that their molecules are mirror images of ours. And having one child per couple results in population decline, that' kinda obvious if you think about it.
The rule one child is only where there are Big problems with the fleet resources
I plan to romance tali on my next playthrough round
“The Quarians”
The subtitles: “The Koreans”
I remember when first playing the game years ago, sympathizing with the Quarians because of Tali being your squadmate.
As I got older and wiser, I realized just how awful the Quarians are, launching not one, but three wars against the Geth who never did anything aggressive against them. The Quarians built up a false victim complex in their society where they believed they were the aggrieved party, but Legion reveals in ME3 that it was the Quarians who had started the war by trying to wipe the Geth out, and the Geth had just responded to protect their existence. The fact that the Geth had allowed the retreating Quarians to escape is the stark difference. The Quarians have never had the intention of allowing the Geth to do the same.
Old and wiser? That’s not true; it’s just your opinion. That's it. I also played the games and I’ve never romanced Tali; I prefer the Quarians over the Geth, mainly because their culture is more interesting.. the conflict is not that way ,yes the Quarian government wanted to shut down the Geth and did start the war, forcing the Geth to defend themselves, however, the Geth did not stop there, they wiped out 99.9% of the entire Quarian population (that would mean the vast majority would be innocent men women and children). The Quarian Government attempted genocide, the Geth committed it. The claim that the Quarians attack 100% of the time is also false, as there are evidences that Quarians stood by the Geth despite the marshal law that they had to turn them in. So that's basically a lie.
and before you say the Geth let them go, they did so when the last couple million (an extremely small number for an entire population) managed to escape the system, they didn't follow because they didn't know the consequences of wiping out an entire species and feared how the rest of the organics would react so they decided to be isolationists. In other words if they knew there'd be no consequences for wiping them out, they would have done so. The Geth did not leave a quarter, they left less than that.
Which 3 wars in 3 centuries? The only one was the Rannoch war 300 years ago and the one in Mass Effect 3. I also played the game for the first time years ago and sympathized more with the Geths, but over time I stopped supporting them because of the genocide, their isolationism, and because they are experts at shooting before asking, even at diplomats.
And we'll never know what happened to the Quarians on their Ark, or really much of anything thats happening in Andromeda.
Nice to see ME content
Quarians have a great backstory, wish we can play as one in a mass effect someday
6:18 The Quarians brought their war with the Geth on themselves. Built robot slaves then panicked when they became self aware.
The geths originally we're only machines not sentients not slaves
Additionally, the geth did commit genocide."
No, not that either. They were never created for that purpose or enslaved. That's nonsense And the Geth committed brutal genocide; they are not victims
Alright, I know this is crazy, but hear me out... space cat people.
Rannoch is kinda like the African savanna, like lions traveling in packs, explaining their Digitigrade legs.
But like leopards, they used trees to hide their food and hunt, over time they would change into bipedal species for hunting.
They would also have hair or at least fur, because they were the main pollenators, and hair would be better at trapping pollen.
It's far fetched but it make somekind of sense, at least to me.
Very nice!
Imagine if a sect of Quarians surivived the purges and still remained on the planet.
You gotta get into The Elder Scrolls series. You'll have a gold mine of content from Skyrim alone.
If you take the fact that the council outlawed AI before the morning war
The quarian government's reaction was completely reasonable if illogical!
The consequences for accidentally creating AI would more than likely be just the same as intentionally doing it
And the quarians formally had a embassy which they lost!
If the geth hadn't happened the quarians would've more than likely had a council seat by now or at least still have a embassy and voice in citadel matters!
howdy! is this a mod to see the environment at your own pace instead of manually moving shepard around? thanks!
They kinda remind me of mandalorians from star wars except for the whole weak immune system thing
Quarians are a weird crossover between Battlestar Galactica and The boy in the plastic bubble
That's honestly a pretty good comparison, it's fair anyway
So, what would they do in the event of twins?
From what sources was drawn besides the games or was there also a lot of headcanoning?
Books and comics
To Bricky, they got dem hips ;)
Found out I could romance Tali in ME2 and dropped Liara like a hot skillet fr. Liara I thought was bad, yes but, Tali arrested my mind.
Tali's Cuteness and being you as her world and home makes her the best romance in ME.
I always enjoyed the Quarians back story. If only they relaxed a bit they would have been the most advanced among the current generation of species
To be honest, I doubt that the council would have allowed it, and the genocide committed by the Geths was brutal.
Wasn't AI banned in Ciradel space after the geth gained consciousness?
Tali is best girl. ❤❤❤
Ah, I see the Citadel Council's policy of, "Well it doesn't negatively affect our species, so appeasement of monsters and screw the victim it is", has a long and proud tradition.
The only reason I bothered saving the Destiny Ascension, is because it would be a waste to throw such a powerful asset away before the coming war.
They have literally been threatened for 300 years, even when they try to colonize other worlds like Ekuna, which was in the Terminus Systems, a territory that wasn't theirs and where their presence could start a war, in addition to their expeditions.
I'm guessing your meaning is they're seen as odd because they gave up on the possibility of retaking Ranoch??
I had to run it back twice lol. The way you worded it had me thinking you were implying the Quarians left the surface of Ranoch for Andromeda.
I'm beginning to realize I just misinterpreted what you said. But I'd already typed most of this out, fuck it! I'm sending it! Lol
Excellent work btw. Been fiending for some Mass Effect, but already played through the trilogy, I don't even know how many times over the years and the books absolutely do NOT hold up 😔 Loved all the books back in the day but reading them now????
MEH 🤷♂️
Does this unit have a soul?
Love the ME lore ^_^)b my fav game trilogy.
Hoping the next game is amazing.
My body's ready for Mass Effect lore breakdown videos, mm-hmm.
I'd be interested in seeing another video in this theme, from the Geth perspective!
Love the Quarians, Tali's my girl
The guardians are actually older then the asari
Always a good day when wisefish uploads 🎉
Mass effect anything, he'll yea.
The Quarians are probably my least favorite Mass Effect race, because they remind me too much of some of the worst aspects of human nature. They're the sole cause of their own misery and suffering, but blame everyone else but themselves.
Admiral Koris is a real one though. He's the only Quarian in the series to openly admit that they were wrong, and continued to be wrong about the Geth, and should have given up their wars years ago and settled somewhere else and adapted.
Like Legion said in ME2 when Koris and Shepard asked it about peace, it answers that peace is dependent on the Quarians, not on the Geth. "When the Creators have believed victory was possible, they have attacked us 100% of the time.".
Then Mass Effect 3 begins with the Quarians having started another unprovoked genocidal war against the Geth, having destroyed their Dyson Sphere.
You’ve played the novels and the games; literally, the Geth did commit that genocide-get over it. The council denied them any planet for three centuries. Besides, why do you think they sent people to Andromeda? They were desperate to find a home. Rannoch was their last option, but the Geth fanboys forget that.
@@CHARLYE-b4h sorry to hear about your traumatic brain injury, but the game is very clear. Even in Mass Effect 1, Shepard tells Tali that the Quarians were wrong, and that it's hard to feel sorry for them when they tried to wipe out the Geth and lost. The Quarians are desperate to find a home because they lost their home for trying to conduct a genocide and losing. Sucks to be them, but they were wiped out by the Geth because they started a genocidal war against the Geth and lost. I know you Quarian fangirls don't understand how morality works. You just like Tali, and your digitigrade leg fetish disables your ability to use logic and reasoning.
@@theveteransergeant Old man with all the fetish stuff I lost respect for you and insulting with brain damage I lost even more respect for you, I don't even like his romance or Tali but seeing a geth fanboy that the only thing he knows is to insult it is obvious that you are not capable of empathy No matter who started it, there was a genocide, the geths committed it and I don't know if you noticed but throughout the entire first game it is literally derogatory to the geths, there is only one friendly dialogue towards the geths and that is the rest of the dialogues from the first game. It is presented as genocidal and cruel machiens that kill everyone who tries to communicate with them, which is true.
@@theveteransergeant the Council denies them permission to colonize, they treat them like trash-how can they not hate them? They left them with no options for 3 centuries
And we still don't know what quarians look like outside of their helmet.
We know only in a photo , almost human
@@carlosdavidsabogalmotta4327 Hopefully we get to see their true faces in ME5, it's not like the whole Todd Howard MO of keeping the mystery mysterious so that speculation can last for years and decades. As for that photo, I'm not sure if the artist meant that as official.
@@anderporascu5026According to it is official, in Mass Effect 3 they literally placed the photo of one of the people who worked there but for the legendary edition they made the entire photographic model from scratch. So canonically they are very similar to humans, plus in a bad Andromeda book it said the same thing
@@carlosdavidsabogalmotta4327 Very well then, no mysteries left there. All that remains is to be granted the ability to play as the other races and be revealed who the Jaardan are.
Not going to lie. While watching this i just kept thinking of the A.I. Curious NSFW rule 34 animation. 😏😂 (I know, I am a heathen)
But on the real, love seeing one of my favorites universes showing up on this channel! Brilliant work! Keep at it!
Tali best girl
Yeah she definitely is she is thick as a bowl of grits .
How is having one child sustainable? Don't you need at least 2 to keep the same population?
It's maintained for periods of time; when the population increases too much to the point that resources become scarce, they establish the law, but when it's over, they deactivate it
Well maybe they need to actually shrunk. They have to live in a fleet so it's maybe necessary to become fewer to keep the fleet itself more sutainable. Ships are expensive and with zero planets to exploit, their ressources must be severly limited.
Vitor proved they aren't very mentally strong. Also the one child law would render them a dying species, guaranteed. They need two kids per couple to maintain current numbers. Assuming everyone has a mate and there are equal numbers of each sex. Probably just an oversight.
Viktor was a traumatized teenager; he was the exception, not the rule. Additionally, the game literally tells us that the asari are responsible, but in the end, it turns out they are hiding technology that could save millions. The game also tells us that the turians are proud soldiers, but Garrus is quite the opposite. He admits that his military career was a disgrace, his career in C-Sec never advanced because he clashed with officials, and his attempt to become a Spectre ultimately failed
And about the population, the game explained it only applies in times of emergency and is revoked when necessary; it is not permanent
Tali romance fans unite
Tali still best girl
I tried playing Mass Effect trilogy is was fine but its so confusing on knowing what to do in the 1st one
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Tali'zorah nar rayya best girl just saying
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Um. Shouldn't it be TWO children per couple? Otherwise you have NEGATIVE population growth, not zero.
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So… they are space muslim jews.
loosely based on the iraqi people
Not at all, what are you talking about? They were based on the humans from Battlestar Galactica. They only say that because of the veil, and the reason is simple-they wanted to imitate the human look. They were never inspired by the Iraqis, what are you talking about?
@@chandr-h3i a people who lost their homeland and were forced into being nomadic, yea let me think
@@johnloa2009 Yes, the humans from Battlestar Galactica. In fact, if you look at the art book or the internet, or if you buy them, they tell you right there that they were based on the humans from the colonies of Galactica
Ah yes, alien Muslims
You went the entire video without calling the migrant fleet “The Flotilla” like they do in the game. 🫤
Tali best girl
Amen! 🙏