JL Audio 10TW3 vs. Audiomobile EVO2410 10" Shallow/Thin Mount Car Audio Subwoofer Faceoff and review
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2022
- We compare the very popular JL Audio 10TW3 vs the Audiomobile EVO24010 10" car audio subwoofers. We compare specs along with test lab results and in a vechile challange to measure spl. We do an in depth review of both woofers.
Here are the links to the PAS articles for the JL Audio 10TW3
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and the Audiomobile EVO/MCAR article is not currently available online. First
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Good job on the video, I'm glad to see there are actually still proper review videos here on RUclips. Would love a total shootout between all shallow mount subs and ranking them best to worst.
Yes please
Thanks we appreciate it. We’re working on getting all those subs together for a video
@@BreakersStereo how did you go 😂
Add the sundown sd4. And that lil nvx to the shootout. I have a dbl cab 16 silverado. Hard to find good knock for it that fits.
I own both AudioMobile and JL Audio shallow mount subs. AudioMobile 10” in my convertible and a JL TW3 12” in my truck. I was a hardcore JL Audio fan for decades but after having 2 cars with single AudioMobile 10s in each one I won’t go back. They slam and I listen to all types of music. The JL is legit but not enough to warrant the extra cost. Save the money and buy the AudioMobile sub
@@jl226ca Yes. You won’t be disappointed. Put 300 watts to it and it will pound
My 10 is installed in my passenger footwell so it’s in the cabin vs in the trunk. I can’t begin to tell you how hard it hits. I just got another truck and I’m doing 2 10s in it. Also doing a rebuild in a Lexus SC300 and I’m going to see if my stereo shop can build a box for the rear deck. I love them
what amp do you recommend to pair with the Audiomobile EVO2410?
@@TimmyTheToolman It’s been a long time since the instal but I know it’s an Alpine 4-5 channel most likely sending 250+ to the sub. They mounted it under panels so I can’t just look at it and tell you. I’m sorry
Thank you very much for adding the listing portion….nobody else does that….once again a great video
Thanks for the comment John we appreciate it !
Good review. The 10TW3 and 13TW5 are not only the best shallow subs but some of the best overall speakers money can buy. Audiomobile looks like a decent solution. The JL is hard to top when it comes to the ear test. The TW3 and TW5 both being USA built units as well.
I've owned JL's my whole life. From 12w1's to 12w3's and 12w6's. Recently bought the Audiomobile EVO 12's and put them on the same amp as I had the 12w3's on. I love them both but the Audiomobile's play a little lower and have a lower frequency response in my set up. I'm also using about .3 cubic feet smaller box for the EVO's. I don't think you can loose either way... both are really good subs but to me the Audiomobile's edge out the W3's. @breaker I'd be interested in seeing the W6's vs the Audiomobile Encore?!!😊
Great video as always. Curious about your thoughts on ported boxes for both of these subs. As for other subs I’d like to see, I put a Massive Audio UFO 10 in a JL PowerWedge Max box when the JL 10WX blew (and to me it sounded really good) and would definitely like to see the UFO included in one of your reviews. Keep up the great work!!!!
Thanks for the comment. Ok we carry a few massive models so we’ll get out hands on a couple of those for that video.
Once again, great video. 👍 The price difference is so minimal... thank you for covering the specs and tests.
Thanks!!!
So your best bet is a proven subwoofer with a proven trackrecord and a proven warrenty system..
@@justkiddin1980 - warranty*
@@kriptic22 Yeah Engruish isn’t my first language..😜
Great job this was a much need video. I have 2 10tw3 woofers in a sealed box and they are super accurate and hit hard. They a plenty of bass for me especially in my Sq build.
Thanks for the comment man. They are great sounding subs for sure. Mild audiophile love the user name!
Jl on some ppi art series my good i here ya
Excellent comparison video!!! This answer all questions consumers need to know. Would you do a comparison between Automobile EVO 10” vs Image Dynamic IDQS 10”
Absolutely love the testing method!
Thanks for the video. This video highlights the importance of having an onboard DSP for sub tuning. I'm not advocating for either sub. Just advocating that being able to shape your frequency response to your subjective listening preference would make damn near any sub sound that much better!
Pls include JL13TW5, Arc audio SW12 Subwoofer, Illusion Audio L12 and C12 for your next test
Realy nice thanks for the comperison , interesting to see 👍🏻
Glad I came across this. currently have 2 Kicker CompVT think the Evos would perform better in the box I have. Running them in a double cab Silverado in a bow with .6cf of airspace per side..
Awesome vid! Stumbled upon it on accident, had to watch. Getting 3x Audiomobile GTS 2110 S2's put in my vehicle in the next couple weeks. Wanted to see how they stacked up on the mighty JLs.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah this brand is a sleeper!
In this test did you use a pair of each in the box or one of each in the box. It's hard to tell because one of the shots of the sub box has one of each sub in it. Great video
I have two skar 12 shallow mount speakers. They have really impressed me.
Those vd-12s are a beast !
Would be great to see a video of the audio mobile vs the hertz Mille 250
For 25$ more I’ll just stick to what I know tbh… and that is JL Audio.
Being the new kid on the block I think the price should be more affordable to win those die hard fans of JL like me..
Do a illusion audio vs jl
Those of you asking for TW5 comparison, the 12TW3 outperforms it in all aspects so not worth the hassle. You should only be using the TW5 if you have to due to space constraints. Otherwise go with the 12TW3. I've used both and was surprised too! Sold the TW5 and the TW3 is still being used till this day.
Any chance you can compare the 12" version vs. the JL Audio 12TW3 and the illusion C12?
Great job, good deal. I wonder how kicker L7T compare?
Great video! JL will still sell more due to the brand history
Thanks!!! Yeah JL has that brand recognition
Actually Audiomobile has been around since the 80s and used to make some awesome subs with alot of xmax!
Looks like it's $70 more on the msrp. Have you reviewed the jl w5 thin sub? I know it cost more but I'm wondering how it would compare to the mobile audio sub
I’m very curious of the new Hertz MPS shallow….
Are you posting your top 10 shallow mount subwoofer video anytime soon?
I would love to see this Audio Mobile 10 up against the Kicker L7T 10 or Rockford Fosgate thin 10!
L7T is on the list for our top 5 shallow subs..... we had the Rockford P3 shallow on that list too but people are requesting theRockford Power Series so we might have to increase the list to Top 10 instead of Top 5
@@BreakersStereo
I personally have two L7T 12's inside my Jeep Wranglers rear seat firing downward and love them though I will say the box volume for them definitely makes a HUGE difference in the bandwidth as smaller is higher up and bigger is lower frequencies. I look forward to seeing the L7T up against the Rockford Power thin sub, that'll be a great head to head as I love both companies!
Do illusion audio carbon 12 shallow
I know this is an older video, but does anyone know what the outer diameter of the Evo is? I only have 10.5 inches to work with.
Great job Josh!
Audiomobile was around back in the day and they were amazing now they're back and don't know how they sound now.
Great video . The linear response from the audio mobile is so very impressive and the clear winner by a mile . And I have the jl tw3s 12s . And next time I'm definitely going audio mobile
Linear response doesn't matter in music. Your dealing w transients not fixed signals. Spec sheets are meant for box building not musical response.
@@harrisone79 oh so the countless millions of people buying and praising natural linear sounding speakers that cost as much as cars must all have it wrong , I prefer my subwoofers to have a flat response in the low end. The more linear the better across the lower frequency range . Most people do not want to hear a subwoofer that has a large drop or peak in it's usable frequency range makes music very un natural sounding . Now full range speakers I actually like a dip at 4k and the highs to roll off a bit that's just my taste. But a subwoofer or mid bass I want a flat linear response across the usable frequency range I don't want it to be boomy in the 50 or 60 hz range and I don't want a huge drop in out put from 50 to 40hz. That's not natural. And matters . In other words I respectfully disagree a linear response does matter when listening not just box building info. Also this video is with speakers already in boxes.
@@paulgood2218 no mention of room/ cabin gain. Acoustical treatment and eq, all these matter. Especially w high end speakers. And a small sub in a small box w never reach down below 40 hz w any decent extension. I've done car audio for over 25 yrs. And not once have I heard a thin mount sub perform better than the JL audios especially if can add a tad more air space to the enclosure. And yes linear response matters but if it's completely flat it don't sound natural. And to use a Memphis amp for testing is a joke. Might as well used a kingwood swap meet special amp.
@@harrisone79 up till you Dayton audio reference, 10 only 5 inch mounting depth and this audio mobile. I completely agree. I literally sold my jail audio. TW312s to keep the dating reference under my back seat, there are better sounding sub in my application jail audio makes some amazing sounding shallow subs but being this video is comparing two subs already mounted in boxes and equal environment and I've had real experience with both subwoofers and this video. The audio mobile is a better sounding sub. Not by much better. It is in my experience if you get a chance to have hands-on experience with this subwoofers and recommended an applications and boxes, I am convinced you will also agree. The audio mobile is a better sounding sub and it's very impressive. That is not to say the JL audio is a bad sub. It is a great subwoofer . I also like the illusions shallow Mount subwoofer. But I have not had personal experience in a hands on build with illusions. I've only heard it in demo vehicles.
How do they compare to the DD and Kicker Lt?
You might have confused the JL Audio tw3's with the tw5's. The tw5's have been the undethroned king of shallow mount subs for awhile now.
Got any test with the ds18 ixs shallow subs?
What about illusion audio shallow mount
I have three in my truck
Can you do Rockford t1s1 -12 inch slim?
Any word on the video about the top 5 shallow subs?
Would love to see it against a kicker compRT if possible
ETA: Great video BTW
Kicker is garbage. SQ is horrible.
I admit I am a biased JL fanboy. I still prefer JL over the AudioMobile because of familiarity with the brand and the quick, accurate bass JL subs provide. Plus the db at frequencies above 70-80 wouldn't really apply in my situation because I have my low pass filter set at 80hz., my front stage picks it up from there. So JL actually out performs in the frequencies that I have them for.
I'm currently running some JL door speakers I found on the same car as I'm driving in a scrap yard and only payed 40 bucks for them and the price for them new was over 100 dollars. I'm currently running no Amp or subwoofer yet but the bass with the stock head unit is not bad considering no Amp or sub
Pls include Hertz’s new MPS series shallow sub & Kicker L7T. Thanks!
Got it! Thanks for the comment
informative video..thanks for sharing.😊
Thanks for the comment !
But how does it stack up to the TW5?
Specs and the rta are all fine, but, which is more musical? Which will play more types of music, better? Which will last longer? What are the warrantees? If something were to go wrong, how difficult is it to get a repair/replacement? It's isn't all just about the numbers.
Agreed there’s definitely more to think about when making this decision. Between the two in my opinion, one wasn’t drastically more musical than the other. As far as which will last longer my opinion is the voice coil is built much better on the audiomobile versus the JL audio because of its size. Both have a one year warranty as far as getting it repaired or replaced. Most car stereo shops will swap out the sub if they have it in stock as a customer service courtesy. Most brands will allow for a replacement so most shops don’t mind pulling from their inventory so the customer doesn’t have to wait weeks to get the woofer back. But that will vary from shop to shop technically you have to send it to the manufacturer and then they will send you back another one, so I could take weeks possibly up to one month that’s why shop so accommodate their customers.
So here’s my thoughts. Your human and you like specs… well we like having specs on the amp equipment you used and position of the microphone. I saw you adjusting a bass knob too and I’m sure that has to deal with the power difference between the 2 sets of subs. But that also plays with the dynamics between the subs. I can definitely see the difference that you also made between to two subs for the height… the impressive part is that being almost .7 inch smaller that the JL audio put out some impressive db numbers with as close of the Xmas is in specs.
I’ll definitely say the audiomobile (dumb company name) is impressive to that it has a lower frequency Fs and that it perform better in the deep regions of frequencies… I’ll definitely tip my hat to them and will be looking more intently at them when making my choice of shallow mount subs due to myself replacing the crappy no airspace premium sub in my gladiator.
You said when jl jumped more than 3 decibels, however you want no more than 3-4 decibels between frequency rang, in other words it needs to be more linear. Clearly the jl is very punch bass heavy and the lows would struggle to make a showing unless you turn it up, further exasperating the non linear db curve. Though in your testing they both have a very good linear curve
7:38 I think I can see where the JL wins. The other frequency response curve is just wacky. The JL can probably be equalized to hit 32hz flat and sound good doing it, or more like 45hz and hit twice as hard. But that other woofer - I would have rejected that response curve before I built the box because I don't think it will sound good even with equalization. I suspect the JL will sound quite natural, especially with some eq (+12db at 32 hz with a 12db/octave slope and a really sharp infrasonic filter at about 25 hz just to protect the woofer) would be my best guess as to where it would end up.
At 9:49 look at all those other frequencies in the output when playing 80hz. It is not sounding clean to me...
Been on jl audio for almost 30 years the problem is is that the technology is literally that old and better things have come along. Waiting on JL to come out with a new line
I can hear the difference playing the diff frq. then I replayed while watching the laptops free graph….. the JL IS REPRODUCING CLEANER TONES, the AM is outputting a wider range of tones further out than whats playing & fluctuating.
The JL while is giving lower db it’s difficulty giving a better sound.
if the db or louder is more important to you…. Than AM will deliver the db just don’t forget to feed it an additional 200w
Can you test the Critical Mass UL series
Is it me or does the JLs sound fuller and a little louder on the music tracks?
Excelente review, but I can't find any page that gives specs for the audio mobile, and the official page it's terrible. And no one have a sub on sale. That's a bad signal for trust in a new brand...
I have 2 jl audio 10w3d8 in a stealthbox under my back seat I really need 2 more to make a new center console in my truck
How about the SkarVD10??!
The Ev basket looks like the rockford fosgate's P3S basket. Maybe that would be a better comparison.
The seal box for the tw3 holds the sub back. Put it a ported box you would truly be shock.
Exactly. My truck did 135.7 @ 42 with a ported pair of 10TW3s. I would still love to try out the Audiomobiles, though.
You feel a audiomobile 10 will still sound good in the trunk of my Camry ?
Try digital design shallow mounts and see what you think
How big of a box do you need if you want to use the passive radiator?
You can add the passive radiator to each woofer with no additional air space.
@@BreakersStereo Thanks! for responding
Was the box two separate .5 chambers or one 1 cu ft enclosure?
Separate cambers. .5 per woofer
Check out sundown audio sd4. Another high end model to compete in the vs
Yeah we sell that woofer and that one is 🔥🔥
What is the height dimension of the Evo 2410 with the grille on?
He said what it was starting around 2:17 it’s a 1/4 difference
Test this sub agains the New Hertz MPS 250 shallow sub.
Since when audiomobile been back? i used to have 2 12" audiomobiles i think they were made by tc sounds they sounded very accurate
Yea, those Audiomobile Mass 12's were killer back in the day. I think they were one of a very few subs around that used underhung voicecoils. I just remember their CEO or whatever from back then was a complete douche, and turned a lot of people off to the company.
Awesome 🤩
Now we have the Alpine new R2 shallows and the Hertz 250 shallows, I wonder how all 4 compare with one another! Any Experience?
I have 2 10 Hertz 250's shallows being driven by an Incriminator 1500 @ 1 ohm. One of the Hertz burned up and blew. Sucks! The sub itself is okay, but I won't recommend them
@@Troutslayer haha sorry that sucks! I would never provide that much power to a shallow sub. Inevitable to blow
I swapped a 12tw3 for sundown sd3. The sd3 just as clean, but with way more output.
What nice!! Love those SD3 super under the radar. We need to do a review on those soon.
To have the JL be so close with 200w less power is impressive.
You must be a jl audio fan to say that
@@kriptic22 Shockingly no. Morel Tempo Ultra and Infinity Kappa fan here.
@@kriptic22 you must be a JL hater…
Couple things about the test…
1) Box was spec’d to the Audio Mobile, a tad small for the JL’s (admittedly, may not make much difference, but if they’re doing optimum set ups, both subs should be in their optimum enclosures).
2) what’s the sensitivity of the two subs? How do they compare?
3) Saying that the Audio Mobiles can handle more power is a bit miss leading…they’re RATED for more, but don’t necessarily handle more… I KNOW those JL’s can handle 1000-1200 watts, making them a fairly robust build and able to have higher output…can the Audio Mobiles also handle 20-30% more power without any issues?
4) the JL’s also pound in a ported enclosure..we build ours tuned to about 32hz (and put aforementioned 1000watts on them)… how do the Audio Mobile’s handle ported enclosures?
5) This is nitpicking, but how often do you set up a subwoofer crossed over at 100hz??
Yes, the Audio Mobile is an impressive subwoofer based on these tests, but this comparison doesn’t account for all real world variables.
@@raulandThat’s an excellent explanation man, thank you!! So I’m getting a Stealthbox for my 5th gen 4Runner and it has the 10TW3. I was gonna feed it the full 400 RMS…is this safe for the long term?
And will this hit pretty hard?
@@damon323 honestly, I’d put a clean 500watts on it and call it a day. As long as everything is set properly, and you have a clean source (not some 3rd party rebassed crap on Bluetooth), you’ll be fine. Like I said above, my shop puts 1000-1200watts on a pair every day all day and they perform. (500watts on the 10”, 600 watts on the 12”). But again, has to be clean, undistorted power
AudioMobile vs. Hertz Mille?
That would be a good one. The power handling is the same so it’s more of an equal comparison.
2:19 you say 1/4” but are showing a 1/2” difference in hight
How much did they pay you to advertise for them?
Audiomobile’s been around for years in the high end car audio market and it shows. JL’s are fine too but have nothing to prove at this point.
wasn't audiomobile around a long time ago? early 2000s?
Yes I think so there out of vagas
Yeah they’ve been around for a while but remained in the shadows for a while
@@BreakersStereo The “Audiomobile” brand actually dates back to the late 80’s and defined ‘State of the Art’ electronics for many years. The Brand relaunched in 2K, as Subwoofer only line.
AudioMobile was the first company to showcase a car in their booth at the 1976 summer CES show, and was the first company to exhibit a high-powered car audio system at the Las Vegas winter CES show, outside between the Convention Center and Hilton Hotel.
So correct me if i am wrong...BOTH chart were from different magazines and different measurement circumstances?? That is NO apples to apples comparison..I don't trust companies if they don't use exactly the same circumstances...They should measure these units FREE AIR in a nearfield measurement...This way they can reliably measure different subwoofers and cancel out most variables..
Both charts were from the same magazine and in the same lab with the same circumstances but not for the same article. The articles were done independent from each other. They were not tested free air but in their recommended enclosures. Hope that clears it up for you.
Try the alpine type R RS-W10D4
The tape measure reading with the grills on was actually 1/2" not a 1/4", makes a difference when putting a sub in a tight space like behind a seat. Great video though.
I've always disliked TW3's, they just never sounded right to me. JL can build quite literally the best conventional subwoofer in the world (yes, the W7) but they sill have much work to do on their shallow mounts.
mcar test would be phenominal
Unless I'm mistaken you said you were going to run JL sub at 800 watts and the other at 1,000 watts, how is that a fair comparison? Ummmm..its not..what if a customer only has 800 watts per channel. Who wins then?
I hear what you’re saying and if we would’ve given the JL the 1000 watts then we would have technically driving the speaker more than it’s capabilities. Is it a fair comparison??? I know they’re definitely in different power classes, but the point to this video was to demonstrate small space, big bass within this price range and since JL has dominated this category with the TW3 for a long time this is a good alternative that handles more power, is louder and is less money.
try playing dj magic mike,bass music
The JL's sounded better.... especially at 40hz...! A clear difference in SQ.
Funny in my area I see more audio mobile being sold at shops then JL they are now irrelevant because so many brands now that can compete at a fraction on the cost i have 2 ab12 1200rms I can do a 148.9at 38hz in a 2002 Acura MDX suv
Audiomobile is making a name for themselves and car stereo shops are getting behind the brand. But 148.9 is loud for two 12's Bravo!!
400 dollar subs. You consider 30 dollars cheaper a fraction of the price? Look up the definition of the phrase you are using incorrectly
Wrong... one way X max is not maximum excursion... It max linier excursion, maximum excursion is called x-mech. One way X-max is the amount of one way excursion with the coil still withing the gap while there is very likey capable of more excursion the x mech like sundown saying the X and Z having say 28mm of xmax yet they say capable of 4" peak to peak that would be 50mm of x mech.
Theres a new shallow king, hertz MPS.
I pick jl on name and sq alone
Try equal power
😍😍🤩🤩
Alpine Type R shallow mount 10 inch sub can blow both of these away with 600 watts rms.
Sundown Sd3 And Sd4
ALSO, you didn't show clamped power per sub in any capacity. So.. .again... useless.
Y'all really showing the bias here.
Audiomobile was better then jl in it's days
Nice to know but I'd never buy a shallow subwoofer that's a horrible Idea to me
"scaled to 1w/1m" meaning it wasn't testing 1w/1m
Cool story. Useless comparison.
😢😢😢 I don’t want to believe it 😅😅
That's not what XMAX is... but whatever.
200 more watts....
My L7 shallow crushes it 🤷🏻
What about the new Audio Control slim subs
I actually own these 2 subwoofers…. purchased the Audio Mobile because I heard it was the JL killer. For trucks… ITS NOT.. Believe it or not that 3.25 vs 3.9 mounting depth makes all the difference in the world and makes all these comparisons irrelevant in a truck application. ( If going dual subs) Unless you raise the back seats is it very difficult to fit the Audio Mobiles while giving them their proper space volume. They sounded muddy, lacked SPL… and where just choking. I decided to purchased the JL TW3,no mods needed….It was a night and day difference. The JL where better in every single way, Louder and cleaner. This was for an 2017 Ford 150. I still have the brand new Audio Mobiles in the garage…waiting to see if I sell or just try to fit them in another install. They are very nice subs, but IMO they just cant compete with the JL when ultra low slim profile is a must.
I was looking for a comment like this. I'm being indecisive for a single in my tacoma( behind the seat application). I have a skar vd 10 shallow 500w rms currently
@@anthonyharris6165 In a single sub application the comparisons on this video are more accurate, assuming you have the clearance to fit the deeper Audio Mobile. One benefit of the Audio mobile is that if using only 1 sub, you can add the passive driver, that requieres no volume.. just the space to fit it… and would increase your output noticeably. Also the amplifier you have will be an important consideration because the JL is more sensitive, so it will requiere less power.
I have 5.5 inches of mounting depth and .6 cubic ft of airspace( sealed). Thats plenty for both. I'm unfamiliar with radiators. Would you care to explain... I thought the were a separate unpowered driver.
I’ll buy your EVO are they new? 10”?
@@jorgegranados194 Brand new, Installed them in a box and they didnt fit. They have been put away and stored protected the entire time.