Cinelike-D vs. Natural in 4K || City Park Panasonic G85 Test || Non-Scientific Samples
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
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Another comparison between Cine D and Natural on the Panasonic G85. Cine D definitely adds dynamic range, but natural looks more... natural!
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Thanks for the video comparison, you've inspirited me to explore these great options in my G85.
That's awesome! Glad I could help 👍🏼
Nolan, I stumbled on your channel - as I just bought a G85 for my channel. I've only watched a few videos of yours tonight - but I am glad I found you. Your editing is great. Your shots and music are professional. I feel I'll learn a lot from your viddies. Cheers, you have a new sub.
I have my G85 and i love it 🙌🌟🔥
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Thanks for the video! I use the G85 as my B camera and always use Cine D unless I’m using it for BTS shots.
Absolutely! That's awesome.
The natural is to give off the natural look. CineD is customizable to drastically alter an image in post. Thank you for the upload!
Absolutely!
not really drastically since you have only 8 bits, it may add only like half a stop of dynamic range compared to natural
Drastically in the sense that most color changes made in post will either satisfy the look you are going for or will have elements of the natural colors already blending into the finished look. In 8 bit or 10 bit you want a flat colorless image to take full advantage of when grading.
@@escarface wrong again, 8 bits images are not meant to be heavy graded, maybe a couple of adjustments here and there but if you take the colour and contrast off an 8bit image those will be gone forever, people using vlog and fake flat profiles in 8 bits colours space always is an amateurish sign
@@KtmDesignz I hear what you are saying but you talk as if everyone can afford (especially while learning) a 10 bit camera. Many people get by with 8bit before seeing the beauty of 10 bit.
Do u mind doing a test of natural vs portrait. I like both but can't decide which is best for skin tones. I don't see a difference so maybe you might
Nice video. Just got g85 and still trying to learn this camera. BTW. How did you setup the curve? I can only change the highlight and shadow but not midtone.
I think you can only adjust highlights and shadows on the curve. Everything else done in the picture profile.
Hey Nolan. Bummed out that you are leaving us but understand. Life often has other plans for us. I have learnt so much from your channel. I wish you well. On a separate note, I am desperately trying to find a link to your luts for the g85/95. The links to your luts do not seem to be working. They just take me to your channel page. HELP. I just shot a short film in cinelike d and need your lut pack.
Have you tried the GHAlex with the G85 in 8 bit Cine D? Wish there was more examples. Almost all are with GH5/GH5s 10bit.
Sadly I haven't 😥
I have the G85 but have ever only shot in natural. Thanks for the comparison. I think I'll only start color grading once I upgrade to 10-bit 4:2:2
Yeah I cannot wait for that upgrade as well 👍🏼
Nolan Gunn when is this upgrade and will it be fore the gx8. Too
@@NolanGunn is there a 10 bit upgrade coming for the g85?
this is scientific to me! Thanks Nolan 🤗
thank you video!!Have you tried con-0 sat-5? I have seen someone using this setting. What do you think is the difference?
So if you wanted a high-contrast colorful image, then that would work. But I prefer flattening my image so I can grade better 👍🏼
@@NolanGunn Okay thank you!!
Great test Nolan, although the Natural is good the graded Cinelike D does grab back some of the highlights. Although in truth nothing from the shadows which is a surprise to me. I’m having enough problems getting my G80 and FZ2000 to come close on their Cinelike D settings! In post they are not even close.
Yeah I agree! That's too bad you're not able to match well! It's such a pain when they're different...
The FZ2000 has the same 20.1-MP 1.0” type BSI MOS sensor as my little LX10 whilst the G85 has a MFT so may explain issues - My LX10 has the CineLike D profile disabled as standard but have enabled it through a software hack and the LX10 tends to be a bit more noisy in the shadows but has a bit more dynamic range than the G85
Barry Maskell Thanks Barry, yes I was coming to the conclusion that the sensor size was the issue. Think I might look around for a GH4 or get another G80, problem with the G80 is the poor slow motion capability, whilst the FZ has all the settings of the GH4.
Great video comparison - Can you tell me what your in-camera contrast settings (highlights & Shadows) were set to (S curve) - Contrary to many other video comparisons you have proved that Cine D is superior to Natural especially with the right camera settings - I'm going to try these settings on my tiny LX10 (CineLike D Hacked)
I actually didn't mess with those. Though I've heard that gains a slight bit of dynamic range. 👍🏼
I got the g7, and the natural clips the highlights really quick, cine D give more play on the highlights i can expose the zebras to almost 75 on skintones. The color correction on cined is a bit tricky but im really closed to giving the same looks as the natural. Just need more time to try it. I notice that the flurescent greens and brights orange need to correct on cine d.blues are almost good. Keep it up! Is a great codec but is really time consuming.
Thanks for those observations! Really good stuff 👍🏼
That may be why the CineD clips here are all darker? CineD brings the highlights down more than natural does. Nothing you could not easily match by notching Natural down a bit.
Just the highlight the different between cineD and Natural? Thanks the video :)
That's what I noticed! You're very welcome!
Can you do some comparisons on Cine-V? I've heard that is often the best for doing no post-correction if you drop your S curves
I haven't messed with it, but I'll considering it!
Hi, im shooting some of video in low light & its so much noise, would it better if Inuse picture profile “ natural” to shoot in low light situation?
Natural won't necessarily help. You need to be shooting at a lower ISO (no more than 1600 imo). You can accomplish this by making your shutter speed lower (minimum of 50ss for 24p and 100ss for 60p) if you're still having issues, you may need to pick up a lower aperture lens (like an F/2 or F1.4)
why is some of the test footage on youtube of the g85 is not clear in 4k and some of them are?
like this is not clear at all
thank
Absolutely 👍
I have gh4 and struggling all the time with noise. No matter what settings I try, there's noise in shadows and blacks. Do you maybe have any tip? Thanks.
GH4 is pretty well known for noise. I would get the fastest lens possible and shoot at the lowest ISO possible. possibly a denoising program?
@@NolanGunn you might also try some noise removal in post. It has gotten quite good and just a puff of it does wonders. You may want to remove any NR in camera, to allow more control in post.
Yeah I was thinking to buy Neat Video or is it better to sell my gh4 and buy some sony camera?
@@NO-oo6uj Well, I have my G85 just this year and am loving it. But it does require shooting a bit differently than, say, my Canon 600D. Then again, the Canon required different workflow than my medium formats or 4x5's, so....
One added suggestion: If you set the style to "natural" or bring down the contrast, the shadows should be brought up a bit. And thus out of the darkest and grainiest part of the spectrum. I hesitate to go all V or D log, as that has issues too. Especially if you are shooting with 8-bit/channels.
There's one comment on your settings, if you make the Contrast down to -5
the noise will be appear as hell, how about that?
Sounds bad 🙄
@@NolanGunn yeah too bad so i suggest only to keep it 0
And thanks for accepting my opinion 😄
Does this not mean that it is best to shoot with Natural profile with saturation down by -2? As far I see from your shots the difference in details is not much between Natural and Cine D. I am going to try shooting on Natural on my next assignment with absolutely no change in settings (that is, zero for all). Then the camera is as good or as bad as point and shoot. The only thing that you can play with is focus and depth of field. There is another commentary here which says it's not worth shooting flat profile on 8-bit. Well, I am a little disappointed with G85 now. Has the 10-bit upgrade for G85 come after all the hullabaloo. I have the latest firmware update but it is still 8-bit.
@@germanevision of course you can grade with 8 bit. dont listen to the nay sayers.
I have the g85, I prefer the cinelike d with lowered sharpness
Nice!
I think natural just needs more sat...and it’s the same
Yeah you can match them pretty easily. The colors on cine d are a little blotchy and flat though
@@NolanGunn Could that be banding issues? It's my understanding that while we may have Cine settings, we are still dealing with an 8-bit file. And at some point, pushing (ie color grading) it may show. I just had an issue with some under lit green screen banding.
Though on the flip-side, Gerald Undone did a video where he had to work really hard to get banding, thus came to the conclusion that 10-bits and more may not be a real benefit in most cases.
Looks like cine d has more contrast and crispiness.
This is confusing. Are you comparing two different things or four different things?
* Natural
* Natural color graded
* Cine D
* Cine D color graded
Are these the four things you are comparing? Or is it just Cine D and Natural, and you didn't do any color grading?
Just Cine D and Natural with non-graded and then graded (so four).