It was Goodman and his band who really got swing music going, particularly with the help of arranger Fletcher Henderson. Discouraged on their 1936 tour from NY to LA, the Goodman band was ready to give up the night they played one supposedly final gig in Los Angeles, which exploded in popularity. As for swing, Armstrong and Oliver had MUCH more to do with it than LaRocca, Shields, Ragas and later Robinson. Still, it is an entertaining story.
Brunn says ODJB arrive in NYC 1918, 2 yrs after adding 'Jass' to their name in Chicago; 18 months later, Victor competitor Columbia, frantic to get in on the craze, sent Dir of A&R Ralph Peer to New Orleans. Ralph wires back: "NO JAZZ BANDS IN NEW ORLEANS" -- he returns via Memphis with W.C.Handy's band whom they then work into a 'jazz' style. What WE call jazz today is Creole/AA infused, but AFTER Storyville closed; what ODJB played may have been their own punk march/ragtime just as they say.
Did they say there was a raging, heated debated about whether the origins of jazz were Indian? Do they mean American Indian or India? It seems so preposterous, perhaps now that we have the advantage of retrospect. I can't imagine how that debate could have arisen, or that it could have lasted very long.
Interesting period video! The acoustic engineer looks like Charles Sooy, the man who originally engineered "Livery Stable Blues" by the ODJB [Sooy died in 1945, so it could be him]. The musicianship of all the performers is excellent, as well!
@KawhackitaRag - Dittos on Stuff Smith, Jonah Jones, and their fabulous Onyx club band! I wonder, is this the only film of the original group playing together in its native environs?
Oh to have just five more seconds of that scene with J. Russel Robinson in the cafe!!! Or how about the Onyx Club with Stuff Smith and Co.??? Marvelous! To have been there... Also interesting is how Felix Arndt's wonderful rag "Clover Club" is beautifully massacred between 2:20 and 2:40 ! Finally, how come the old ODJB record played between 3:45 and 3:57 is CLEARER, has MORE BASS, and MORE PRESENCE than any modern-day transfer of same I've ever heard? What are we doing wrong today???
Andrew Homzy I second Andrew's request!!! Do you know *for sure* what happened to the rest of the footage from this film shoot? Did it get thrown away/burned or does somebody still have it in their attic, closet or basement somewhere? Was the audio recorded on disc (Vitaphone) or on film? If the audio was on disc, could additional discs with the rest of Mr. Robinson's performance still exist somewhere? Who shot the "March of Time" series and where are the remaining archives of that film company? Thanks!
Hmmm. Nice to see them there, but there is a lot of fiction in this account. It was allegedly Shields, not LaRocca that got them back, together, Robinson was not in the lineup until nearly 1920 (pianist Ragas died from the flu epidemic in 1919), and they more or less stole the jazz concept from AAs in New Orleans and Chicago. Also, they weren't the first offered to make jazz recordings, just the first to accept. As for swing, it did not become a reality until the summer of 1936,
And also a few seconds of rare films showing Chick Webb ! Maybe the only ones
Magnifico, muchas gracias por compartirlo.
It was Goodman and his band who really got swing music going, particularly with the help of arranger Fletcher Henderson. Discouraged on their 1936 tour from NY to LA, the Goodman band was ready to give up the night they played one supposedly final gig in Los Angeles, which exploded in popularity. As for swing, Armstrong and Oliver had MUCH more to do with it than LaRocca, Shields, Ragas and later Robinson. Still, it is an entertaining story.
Jazz -Cheap music?I love this----
Brunn says ODJB arrive in NYC 1918, 2 yrs after adding 'Jass' to their name in Chicago; 18 months later, Victor competitor Columbia, frantic to get in on the craze, sent Dir of A&R Ralph Peer to New Orleans. Ralph wires back: "NO JAZZ BANDS IN NEW ORLEANS" -- he returns via Memphis with W.C.Handy's band whom they then work into a 'jazz' style.
What WE call jazz today is Creole/AA infused, but AFTER Storyville closed; what ODJB played may have been their own punk march/ragtime just as they say.
this is gods music.....
Chick Webb the DADDY!❤🙏
As well as the great Tony Sbarbaro, we see a glimpse of the amazing Chick Webb!
Did they say there was a raging, heated debated about whether the origins of jazz were Indian? Do they mean American Indian or India? It seems so preposterous, perhaps now that we have the advantage of retrospect. I can't imagine how that debate could have arisen, or that it could have lasted very long.
Interesting period video! The acoustic engineer looks like Charles Sooy, the man who originally engineered "Livery Stable Blues" by the ODJB [Sooy died in 1945, so it could be him]. The musicianship of all the performers is excellent, as well!
Amazingly, yes, it is him.
One of the very few motion pictures of a 'period' acoustic recording session
@KawhackitaRag - Dittos on Stuff Smith, Jonah Jones, and their fabulous Onyx club band! I wonder, is this the only film of the original group playing together in its native environs?
Wonderful video. Where is the raw footage with more of all the musicians we glimpse in this film?
Oh to have just five more seconds of that scene with J. Russel Robinson in the cafe!!! Or how about the Onyx Club with Stuff Smith and Co.??? Marvelous! To have been there...
Also interesting is how Felix Arndt's wonderful rag "Clover Club" is beautifully massacred between 2:20 and 2:40 !
Finally, how come the old ODJB record played between 3:45 and 3:57 is CLEARER, has MORE BASS, and MORE PRESENCE than any modern-day transfer of same I've ever heard? What are we doing wrong today???
Thanks to Mike P. of WESN's Rhythm Sweet & Hot, for forwarding the link!
Andrew Homzy I second Andrew's request!!! Do you know *for sure* what happened to the rest of the footage from this film shoot? Did it get thrown away/burned or does somebody still have it in their attic, closet or basement somewhere? Was the audio recorded on disc (Vitaphone) or on film? If the audio was on disc, could additional discs with the rest of Mr. Robinson's performance still exist somewhere? Who shot the "March of Time" series and where are the remaining archives of that film company? Thanks!
The March of Time was a newsreel from Time Inc.
Ridiculous comments - but great footage of the ODJB!
Hmmm. Nice to see them there, but there is a lot of fiction in this account. It was allegedly Shields, not LaRocca that got them back, together, Robinson was not in the lineup until nearly 1920 (pianist Ragas died from the flu epidemic in 1919), and they more or less stole the jazz concept from AAs in New Orleans and Chicago. Also, they weren't the first offered to make jazz recordings, just the first to accept. As for swing, it did not become a reality until the summer of 1936,
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Lol, you knew what everyone was here for.
@@alco1252 I'm here for 1:17
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