Unfortunately, my family, even though they claim to love Jesus Lord, practice this and even claimed my father's life on July 4, it's a game to them and defend it fiercely, and I'm the bad guy here for telling it like it is yet... This definitely flys under the radar for everyone yet is a contributing factor to everyone that "loves food" too much... God have mercy...
Right. I don't drink or smoke, but here you are having a feast, and when you're done, you go in for leftovers like a pig. They think just because I don't do this sin, it's OK to do that sin. I eat enough to have energy to get by the day, and once in a while, I'll full up but I remain a thin athletic person because I don't over do it all the time, even if I did I wouldn't continue to do so because I don't want to feel like an animal.
So out of 613 commandments in the OT and new commands in the NT, none of them say overeating is a sin. Its neither complimentary of it but why are we calling it a sin? Lack of self control? Yes. Unhealthy? Yes. Sin????? Bible looks down on it but stops short of calling it sin..
@@balazsvincze8137 None of the verses you provided speak on the topic of being a sin. I know one that can be interpreted that way but you provided none. So you want to rebuke me with no biblical basis?
It's just a misinterpretation; labeling it as a sin doesn't really add up. People who struggle with weight issues don't choose to be overweight and certainly don't find pleasure in it. In fact, some go to extreme lengths, spending significant amounts of money, to find ways to control their appetite or lose weight. Tragically, some even resort to dangerous drugs or, in the worst cases, take their own lives out of desperation. So, does it really make sense to classify this as gluttony?
@@billyd7887I don’t want to argue but one of the 10 commandments is to not have any other gods before God. Philippians 3:19 when it talks about those who make their belly their god are headed for destruction makes it seem like a sin. Correct me if I’m wrong but idolatry is a sin and overeating is idolizing food and worshipping your appetite. Read any verse regarding gluttony and it won’t directly say it but you are essentially destroying the temple of God by giving into your fleshly desires. If you can’t put a knife to your throat when faced with your appetite, you’re making your stomach and food have a stronghold over your life.
@@patrickf1131 There are also a lot of factors that can influence a person’s sexuality, such as being raped at an early age by a priest, or abuse by relatives or church elders, so why do Christians tend to be so unwavering with “sexual sin” and so easily dismiss the sin of gluttony? It seems hypocritical.
@@patrickf1131 if you look around any church in the US you’ll see that gluttony is a larger concern. The church doesn’t talk much about it though because it would make a lot of people very uncomfortable. They’d rather hear about the sinners outside the church than confront their own demons.
@@patrickf1131 I agree, but I was raised in church going three days a week and never knew gluttony was a sin because the pastor and every Sunday school teacher was obese. I was aware of everything else, such as: cursing, drinking, premarital sex, homosexuality, etc. - gluttony was never discussed. NEVER. I’m not a child; I’m aware that a person’s metabolism slows with age…mine definitely has. I’m just very aware that Christians tend to overlook certain sins, gluttony and divorce (without infidelity) being two of the most obvious. Both make church goers uneasy, so they aren’t discussed. I was in a Bible study group recently with a woman that just couldn’t stand gay people (and had so many horrible things to say about them), but she had been divorced 3 times and didn’t see anything wrong with herself. Unfortunately, I know many Christians like her. I enjoy the discussion. I really do. I’m not just being difficult. I’m trying to hold onto to my faith, I have no one to look up to anymore. I know so many ‘Christians’ that are just horrible to people: immigrants, homosexuals, foreigners, etc. The one person in my life that actually lived like Christ and loved others like Christ has passed. Now all the ‘Christians’ my life are just hypocrites. They judge everyone, without the ability to look inward. They make excuses and exceptions for their own sins, but point the finger at others. I guess it’s hard for me because I used to see Christians as being good people. Now all I see is the hatred, bigotry, and meanness.
@@patrickf1131 “metabolism” this myth is incredibly pervasive for no good reason. It doesn’t matter what your metabolism is, you only gain fat in a caloric surplus. Gaining fat in maintenance or in a deficit is literally impossible. The only way to gain large amounts of weight and fall into the category of obesity is eating more than maintenance calories consistently over a long period of time. So gluttony.
A Christian's body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. If we are gluttonous, we are destroying GOD'S temple. We are not our own, we have been bought at a price (Christ's blood)
Being overweight, myself included, often results from excessive calorie intake, which is governed by the laws of physics and is an undeniable fact. Does this mean we are all indulging in gluttony?
Mega rig No. And gluttony is not a sin. But being fat is an issue of lifestyle choices and self control. I think it’s ironic how so many churches in Christiandom are so quick to call everything a sin except for actually disobeying Gods laws but are filled with fat people but not a word. If you want to call it a sin, people wear the evidence of unrepentant sin all over them. Thankfully it’s not a sin. And it can be subjective what gluttony is. But if you’re 5’3 and 250 lbs and have never set foot in the gym. No one will disagree that person is a glutton.
Whole-food plant-based diet with no refined sugars, no artificial anything, no refined flour products, no junk foods high in sodium and oils. You will feel great and will lose weight and will enjoy your meals. It takes a while for taste buds to change, but they do change. Blessings.
@@bettrinatruitt1648 Thanks for the suggestion, but I have to say a plant-based diet doesn't give us all the nutrients we need, and it's not really a natural way for humans to eat. Also, it doesn't matter whether you get your carbs from whole or processed foods; they affect your body the same way. But if you don't think of pasta, rice, and bread as whole foods, then you can actually cut down on carbs with that diet. However, you'd still be missing out on some nutrients that you can only get from meat. Take care.
@@MetarigRubbish! A vegan diet can be nutritionally-complete! It is also the only diet on which our planet can sustain the current and growing population. Furthermore, standard industrial animal farming causes egregious suffering that I'm sure grieves God. It is the leading cause of carbon emissions, rainforest destruction and human starvation as a result of desertification, soil erosion, and using crops that could feed people to feed animals, through which 80% of that food value is lost. Also, dairy consumption is the leading cause of osteoporosis and hormone-driven cancers (breast, ovarian and prostate), and bowel cancer is unheard of in vegans. So please do your research before making comments such as "you can only get certain nutrients from meat". If you're referring to Vit B12, the only reason you can get this from meat is because all farmed animals are injected with cyanocobalamin! They don't contain it naturally! So better to cut out the animals and take a B12 supplement directly! It's still a supplement if you get it from meat!
Well i don't believe in the Christian religion myself, i do agree with many of the teachings of the bible. I could see why pride, wrath, greed and lust are sins since these are cleary harmfull to others, but gluttony isn't. But sins aren't just about doing harm to the world around you, they are also about harming yourself. Like pride will give you a false sence of confidence without understanding your true meaning, thus ruining your true meaing. Lucifer was unable to except the true meaing God gave to him and created a false meaning for himself. Or how greed, wrath and lust will make people despise you and leave you with no one.😢
What if I'm trying to get my calories up to build muscle for God, I'm asking fellow and I'm sick of it. I'm thinking of joining the army and SWAT when I'm out, and I have this strong desire or calling in me to protect. How can I do that if I'm not getting bigger, ya get what I'm saying. Like as much as I like to eat it sucks being full and let's say I add like two slices of bread to a meal of protein, isn't that a form of self control? I'm trying to grow my body for protection as for the help of others and I desire to glorify God with my body
So one thing I could suggest is cutting out the processed carbs (man made) and add more meat and fruit. (Made from God). Processed carbs are easy to overeat and you will feel hungry all the time if you eat a lot of it, you will also feel like crap all the time. The lord wants us to partake in what he has given us which will make us feel full and nourished. He never intended for us to over indulge in Doritos, twinkies, candy bars etc. Our body was designed by him and we should treat it sacredly. Eat to live, do not live to eat. You can gain pounds of muscle but also be mindful of what you eat at the same time. Everything I eat was created by him. He has given us all the nourishment we need from food he made for us. We don’t need anything man made. Man made food is part of the detriment to our health.
Marine veteran here. Eat clean, like previous comment. Trust me, there are plenty of carbs for fuel in fruit and honey. The bulkiest Marines weren't usually fast. It was the ones that look 'smaller lean who had the best fitness scores! Endurance and mental clarity are the focus.
How much is overeating also so I saw somewhere on google that people in the bible ate in the morning (9 am - 12 pm) and evening (6 pm - 9pm) so do I also have to eat twice a day at the morning and evening
I think the amount of food that should be eaten depends on the individual, so everyone should consult with their doctor or a nutritionist. A doctor can measure their patient’s BMI and look at their blood work to determine if they’re eating too much or too little, as well as what kind of foods to avoid, or what foods to eat more of. So long as you strive to be healthy, to maintain the body God has graciously given you, and you eat in moderation, I believe you are doing well.
@@DGolden247 So your conclusion would be maintain the body? And what If I can't contact my doctor or the appointment is a few weeks ahead so what should I do in the meantime while waiting for my doctor
@@christuniverse6055 In the meantime you conduct your own research. Read up on what and how you should eat. Use the scientific method and try out different foods and diets, observe which ones have good health benefits and which ones don’t, adapt the good ones avoid the bad ones. Again, strive to be healthy, to maintain the body God has graciously given you, eat in moderation
@@DGolden247 Hey I got a question say I get a fruit ( or other food ) and put it in a blender would that count as eating? for example say I get strawberries and make strawberry juice is that eating or overdrinking because I"m doing it to get healthier because of the vitamins and stuff. Also what if the drink is not put in a blender but you drink it still for example the company apple and eve makes drinks out of fruits how it doesn't say on the product if it was put into a blender or not
It's just a misinterpretation; labeling it as a sin doesn't really add up. People who struggle with weight issues don't choose to be overweight and certainly don't find pleasure in it. In fact, some go to extreme lengths, spending significant amounts of money, to find ways to control their appetite or lose weight. Tragically, some even resort to dangerous drugs or, in the worst cases, take their own lives out of desperation. So, does it really make sense to classify this as gluttony?
“People who struggle with weight issues don’t choose to be overweight and certainly don’t find pleasure in it” That’s like saying drug addicts don’t “choose” severe organ damage. Of course they would rather be able to shoot us meth without negative health consequences, but wishful thinking doesn’t prevent that. It is still a choice. All sin functions this way. It baits us with an indulgence that caters to our flesh, but in the end yields unrighteous fruit that harms our fellowship with God and makes us less useful for His kingdom. Christ has commanded us to put to death the lust of the flesh, and that implies that it will be a struggle. Some more so than others, but that doesn’t mean that we get to call certain sins off limits to rebuke just because they’re hard. And I think an unspoken element of this argument is riding on the exceptions to dismiss the rule. Clinically diagnosed metabolic disorders are a real thing, but if everyone claims to have one, then it’s apparent that there is a refusal to take responsibility. Desires lead to actions, and it is not true that every person who is overweight just so happens to be that way devoid of any gluttony. We do need to have compassion for those who struggle, but not compassion for the sin. The Spirit has equipped us with all that we need for life and godliness, and that includes stewarding our bodies.
@@TheLordismyportion Your perspective seems to be missing some key information. Labeling obesity as a sin and casting judgment is neither accurate nor compassionate. Those who struggle with obesity are often not lacking in self-discipline; many are committed to long-term diets and willing to forego their favorite foods. This contrasts with individuals who don’t face such challenges but struggle to maintain diets for even a short period. Hunger often overrides dietary control, not due to pleasure-seeking but because of the body’s natural needs. Lifelong portion control is challenging, as hunger tends to intensify over time. Additionally, many who struggle with weight issues regularly exercise, yet do not see the same results as those who seldom need gym workouts. It is unfair and insensitive to label them as seekers of pleasure lacking self-control. This judgmental attitude is particularly problematic when it comes from those who are expected to be compassionate and humble. Such behavior, unfortunately, reflects a form of hypocrisy that is too often associated with Christians.
@@Metarig Again, I think you’re missing the impact of what I was saying. We shouldn’t confuse strategies with heart condition. I know full well that it’s not as simple as “just eat less and move more”. There as significant psychological and social factors, as well as biological, that can make weight loss a challenge. For example, certain people have a higher sex drive than others, but that doesn’t mean that they get a pass on sexual sin. It just means that they have to rely more on God for their strength to put that sin to death. So I wouldn’t strictly say that if you are obese, that automatically means you are in sin. But more often than not their is a heart issue that leads to it. And if someone is actively taking steps to address it, then that’s great. I wouldn’t directly associate their weight with their sanctification. But someone who chooses to not take responsibility for their health, no matter the reasons why they are where they are, are being unfaithful stewards.
@@TheLordismyportion Consider the possibility that those who are receiving your harsh and unfair judgment have already exhausted all measures to combat obesity but to no avail. Many of them have been struggling with obesity since childhood, indicating it's a condition they were born with. It's probable that most of the individuals you're discussing have indeed made efforts to overcome this issue.
@@Metarig I gladly concede that many people have tried different strategies without success. That implies that some work better than others for certain people. Part of effectively losing weight can be education about food choices and behavior change. Like I said earlier, there are a multiplicity of factors that contribute to obesity. Nothing that I’ve said is ignoring that. BUT attributing all of someone’s obesity to “I was born that way” is lying to yourself. I’ve spoken to many Christians who are overweight, and they have an incredibly cavalier attitude towards their health. I had one conversation where someone told me they would rather stay fat and die sooner than eat better and live a healthier life. That is a problem. In larger numbers than we’d like to admit, obesity amongst christians is the result of gluttony.
So if I’ve already eaten 3 meals by 5pm, come 7,8,9,10, and I’m feeling once more quite famished (high metabolic rate, underweight, currently underfed) I am not to feed myself because my apetite is raging for food? If i get hungry at ALL im going to make an effort to put food in my stomach because I desperately need that energy, i dont eat just to satiate and satisfy, but for some god given risen i burn through energy like all hell, but i realize cognitive processes also burn a fat portion of calories… and my secondary process thinking is practically alongside my primary (i use my intellect incessantly, comparably close to primary processing, a curse sometimes but I’ll take it over the blind faith that is christianity. I understand some things yall never will.) i will continue to shove every morsel presented on my plate down my gullet because it is there for my body to consume and repurpose, to allow me to continue forth.
It’s more about what you love, than the actual actions themselves. If you love food more than God then it’s idolizing food, thus gluttony. If u can’t control yourself (my issue rn) then gluttony; otherwise enjoy what’s before you! Hope this message finds you well ❤️🙏
I heard someone say recently that if something whispers “smoke me” “eat me” “drink me” and you continue to obey it, then that has become your Lord
Wow! So Powerful ❤thanks for sharing
if your food talks to you i think you have bigger problems to worry about
That's a reference to Alice's Adventures in Wonderland.
This needs to preached in every pulpit..... You never hear this preached at Church:-(. This is a much needed video
Unfortunately, my family, even though they claim to love Jesus Lord, practice this and even claimed my father's life on July 4, it's a game to them and defend it fiercely, and I'm the bad guy here for telling it like it is yet... This definitely flys under the radar for everyone yet is a contributing factor to everyone that "loves food" too much... God have mercy...
Trust God
This is very helpful
Literrally me watching this while eating
Starts at 0:21
Right. I don't drink or smoke, but here you are having a feast, and when you're done, you go in for leftovers like a pig. They think just because I don't do this sin, it's OK to do that sin. I eat enough to have energy to get by the day, and once in a while, I'll full up but I remain a thin athletic person because I don't over do it all the time, even if I did I wouldn't continue to do so because I don't want to feel like an animal.
So out of 613 commandments in the OT and new commands in the NT, none of them say overeating is a sin.
Its neither complimentary of it but why are we calling it a sin?
Lack of self control? Yes.
Unhealthy? Yes.
Sin????? Bible looks down on it but stops short of calling it sin..
@@balazsvincze8137 None of the verses you provided speak on the topic of being a sin.
I know one that can be interpreted that way but you provided none. So you want to rebuke me with no biblical basis?
It's just a misinterpretation; labeling it as a sin doesn't really add up. People who struggle with weight issues don't choose to be overweight and certainly don't find pleasure in it. In fact, some go to extreme lengths, spending significant amounts of money, to find ways to control their appetite or lose weight. Tragically, some even resort to dangerous drugs or, in the worst cases, take their own lives out of desperation. So, does it really make sense to classify this as gluttony?
@@billyd7887I don’t want to argue but one of the 10 commandments is to not have any other gods before God. Philippians 3:19 when it talks about those who make their belly their god are headed for destruction makes it seem like a sin. Correct me if I’m wrong but idolatry is a sin and overeating is idolizing food and worshipping your appetite. Read any verse regarding gluttony and it won’t directly say it but you are essentially destroying the temple of God by giving into your fleshly desires. If you can’t put a knife to your throat when faced with your appetite, you’re making your stomach and food have a stronghold over your life.
GOD bless🙏🏾💜❤️
Does this mean that obese people are ‘living in sin’? Should churches allow for obese pastors?
@@patrickf1131 There are also a lot of factors that can influence a person’s sexuality, such as being raped at an early age by a priest, or abuse by relatives or church elders, so why do Christians tend to be so unwavering with “sexual sin” and so easily dismiss the sin of gluttony? It seems hypocritical.
@@patrickf1131 if you look around any church in the US you’ll see that gluttony is a larger concern. The church doesn’t talk much about it though because it would make a lot of people very uncomfortable. They’d rather hear about the sinners outside the church than confront their own demons.
@@patrickf1131 I agree, but I was raised in church going three days a week and never knew gluttony was a sin because the pastor and every Sunday school teacher was obese. I was aware of everything else, such as: cursing, drinking, premarital sex, homosexuality, etc. - gluttony was never discussed. NEVER. I’m not a child; I’m aware that a person’s metabolism slows with age…mine definitely has. I’m just very aware that Christians tend to overlook certain sins, gluttony and divorce (without infidelity) being two of the most obvious. Both make church goers uneasy, so they aren’t discussed.
I was in a Bible study group recently with a woman that just couldn’t stand gay people (and had so many horrible things to say about them), but she had been divorced 3 times and didn’t see anything wrong with herself. Unfortunately, I know many Christians like her.
I enjoy the discussion. I really do. I’m not just being difficult. I’m trying to hold onto to my faith, I have no one to look up to anymore. I know so many ‘Christians’ that are just horrible to people: immigrants, homosexuals, foreigners, etc. The one person in my life that actually lived like Christ and loved others like Christ has passed. Now all the ‘Christians’ my life are just hypocrites. They judge everyone, without the ability to look inward. They make excuses and exceptions for their own sins, but point the finger at others.
I guess it’s hard for me because I used to see Christians as being good people. Now all I see is the hatred, bigotry, and meanness.
@@patrickf1131 “metabolism” this myth is incredibly pervasive for no good reason. It doesn’t matter what your metabolism is, you only gain fat in a caloric surplus. Gaining fat in maintenance or in a deficit is literally impossible. The only way to gain large amounts of weight and fall into the category of obesity is eating more than maintenance calories consistently over a long period of time. So gluttony.
@@colevt
When you are blessed to see the wrong in others, Pray for them.
Don't leave them in Darkness.
A Christian's body is a temple of the Holy Spirit. If we are gluttonous, we are destroying GOD'S temple. We are not our own, we have been bought at a price (Christ's blood)
Is eating three meals a day gluttony?
No breakfast lunch dinner is normal its the amount that eat for each time that can be gluttony.
Eating more than you need is dangerous if three meals a day is just you need then it's fine.
Being overweight, myself included, often results from excessive calorie intake, which is governed by the laws of physics and is an undeniable fact. Does this mean we are all indulging in gluttony?
Mega rig
No. And gluttony is not a sin. But being fat is an issue of lifestyle choices and self control. I think it’s ironic how so many churches in Christiandom are so quick to call everything a sin except for actually disobeying Gods laws but are filled with fat people but not a word. If you want to call it a sin, people wear the evidence of unrepentant sin all over them.
Thankfully it’s not a sin. And it can be subjective what gluttony is. But if you’re 5’3 and 250 lbs and have never set foot in the gym. No one will disagree that person is a glutton.
Whole-food plant-based diet with no refined sugars, no artificial anything, no refined flour products, no junk foods high in sodium and oils. You will feel great and will lose weight and will enjoy your meals. It takes a while for taste buds to change, but they do change. Blessings.
@@bettrinatruitt1648 Thanks for the suggestion, but I have to say a plant-based diet doesn't give us all the nutrients we need, and it's not really a natural way for humans to eat. Also, it doesn't matter whether you get your carbs from whole or processed foods; they affect your body the same way. But if you don't think of pasta, rice, and bread as whole foods, then you can actually cut down on carbs with that diet. However, you'd still be missing out on some nutrients that you can only get from meat. Take care.
@@MetarigRubbish! A vegan diet can be nutritionally-complete! It is also the only diet on which our planet can sustain the current and growing population. Furthermore, standard industrial animal farming causes egregious suffering that I'm sure grieves God. It is the leading cause of carbon emissions, rainforest destruction and human starvation as a result of desertification, soil erosion, and using crops that could feed people to feed animals, through which 80% of that food value is lost. Also, dairy consumption is the leading cause of osteoporosis and hormone-driven cancers (breast, ovarian and prostate), and bowel cancer is unheard of in vegans. So please do your research before making comments such as "you can only get certain nutrients from meat". If you're referring to Vit B12, the only reason you can get this from meat is because all farmed animals are injected with cyanocobalamin! They don't contain it naturally! So better to cut out the animals and take a B12 supplement directly! It's still a supplement if you get it from meat!
What about eating one coarse a day is that consider gluttony?
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Well i don't believe in the Christian religion myself, i do agree with many of the teachings of the bible.
I could see why pride, wrath, greed and lust are sins since these are cleary harmfull to others, but gluttony isn't.
But sins aren't just about doing harm to the world around you, they are also about harming yourself.
Like pride will give you a false sence of confidence without understanding your true meaning, thus ruining your true meaing. Lucifer was unable to except the true meaing God gave to him and created a false meaning for himself. Or how greed, wrath and lust will make people despise you and leave you with no one.😢
@SheepOfChrist818what do u mean? By saying our life is not our own.
What if I'm trying to get my calories up to build muscle for God, I'm asking fellow and I'm sick of it. I'm thinking of joining the army and SWAT when I'm out, and I have this strong desire or calling in me to protect. How can I do that if I'm not getting bigger, ya get what I'm saying. Like as much as I like to eat it sucks being full and let's say I add like two slices of bread to a meal of protein, isn't that a form of self control? I'm trying to grow my body for protection as for the help of others and I desire to glorify God with my body
So one thing I could suggest is cutting out the processed carbs (man made) and add more meat and fruit. (Made from God). Processed carbs are easy to overeat and you will feel hungry all the time if you eat a lot of it, you will also feel like crap all the time. The lord wants us to partake in what he has given us which will make us feel full and nourished. He never intended for us to over indulge in Doritos, twinkies, candy bars etc. Our body was designed by him and we should treat it sacredly. Eat to live, do not live to eat. You can gain pounds of muscle but also be mindful of what you eat at the same time. Everything I eat was created by him. He has given us all the nourishment we need from food he made for us. We don’t need anything man made. Man made food is part of the detriment to our health.
Marine veteran here. Eat clean, like previous comment. Trust me, there are plenty of carbs for fuel in fruit and honey. The bulkiest Marines weren't usually fast. It was the ones that look 'smaller lean who had the best fitness scores! Endurance and mental clarity are the focus.
How much is overeating also so I saw somewhere on google that people in the bible ate in the morning (9 am - 12 pm) and evening (6 pm - 9pm) so do I also have to eat twice a day at the morning and evening
I think the amount of food that should be eaten depends on the individual, so everyone should consult with their doctor or a nutritionist. A doctor can measure their patient’s BMI and look at their blood work to determine if they’re eating too much or too little, as well as what kind of foods to avoid, or what foods to eat more of. So long as you strive to be healthy, to maintain the body God has graciously given you, and you eat in moderation, I believe you are doing well.
@@DGolden247 So your conclusion would be maintain the body? And what If I can't contact my doctor or the appointment is a few weeks ahead so what should I do in the meantime while waiting for my doctor
@@christuniverse6055 In the meantime you conduct your own research. Read up on what and how you should eat. Use the scientific method and try out different foods and diets, observe which ones have good health benefits and which ones don’t, adapt the good ones avoid the bad ones. Again, strive to be healthy, to maintain the body God has graciously given you, eat in moderation
@@DGolden247 Thanks for your reply God bless you and your family
@@DGolden247 Hey I got a question say I get a fruit ( or other food ) and put it in a blender would that count as eating? for example say I get strawberries and make strawberry juice is that eating or overdrinking because I"m doing it to get healthier because of the vitamins and stuff. Also what if the drink is not put in a blender but you drink it still for example the company apple and eve makes drinks out of fruits how it doesn't say on the product if it was put into a blender or not
Oh no I'm on my third cake that feeds 8 also I am really huge right now I'm gonna pop urrghhh
It's just a misinterpretation; labeling it as a sin doesn't really add up. People who struggle with weight issues don't choose to be overweight and certainly don't find pleasure in it. In fact, some go to extreme lengths, spending significant amounts of money, to find ways to control their appetite or lose weight. Tragically, some even resort to dangerous drugs or, in the worst cases, take their own lives out of desperation. So, does it really make sense to classify this as gluttony?
“People who struggle with weight issues don’t choose to be overweight and certainly don’t find pleasure in it”
That’s like saying drug addicts don’t “choose” severe organ damage. Of course they would rather be able to shoot us meth without negative health consequences, but wishful thinking doesn’t prevent that. It is still a choice. All sin functions this way. It baits us with an indulgence that caters to our flesh, but in the end yields unrighteous fruit that harms our fellowship with God and makes us less useful for His kingdom. Christ has commanded us to put to death the lust of the flesh, and that implies that it will be a struggle. Some more so than others, but that doesn’t mean that we get to call certain sins off limits to rebuke just because they’re hard.
And I think an unspoken element of this argument is riding on the exceptions to dismiss the rule. Clinically diagnosed metabolic disorders are a real thing, but if everyone claims to have one, then it’s apparent that there is a refusal to take responsibility. Desires lead to actions, and it is not true that every person who is overweight just so happens to be that way devoid of any gluttony.
We do need to have compassion for those who struggle, but not compassion for the sin. The Spirit has equipped us with all that we need for life and godliness, and that includes stewarding our bodies.
@@TheLordismyportion Your perspective seems to be missing some key information. Labeling obesity as a sin and casting judgment is neither accurate nor compassionate. Those who struggle with obesity are often not lacking in self-discipline; many are committed to long-term diets and willing to forego their favorite foods. This contrasts with individuals who don’t face such challenges but struggle to maintain diets for even a short period. Hunger often overrides dietary control, not due to pleasure-seeking but because of the body’s natural needs. Lifelong portion control is challenging, as hunger tends to intensify over time. Additionally, many who struggle with weight issues regularly exercise, yet do not see the same results as those who seldom need gym workouts. It is unfair and insensitive to label them as seekers of pleasure lacking self-control. This judgmental attitude is particularly problematic when it comes from those who are expected to be compassionate and humble. Such behavior, unfortunately, reflects a form of hypocrisy that is too often associated with Christians.
@@Metarig Again, I think you’re missing the impact of what I was saying. We shouldn’t confuse strategies with heart condition. I know full well that it’s not as simple as “just eat less and move more”. There as significant psychological and social factors, as well as biological, that can make weight loss a challenge.
For example, certain people have a higher sex drive than others, but that doesn’t mean that they get a pass on sexual sin. It just means that they have to rely more on God for their strength to put that sin to death.
So I wouldn’t strictly say that if you are obese, that automatically means you are in sin. But more often than not their is a heart issue that leads to it. And if someone is actively taking steps to address it, then that’s great. I wouldn’t directly associate their weight with their sanctification. But someone who chooses to not take responsibility for their health, no matter the reasons why they are where they are, are being unfaithful stewards.
@@TheLordismyportion
Consider the possibility that those who are receiving your harsh and unfair judgment have already exhausted all measures to combat obesity but to no avail. Many of them have been struggling with obesity since childhood, indicating it's a condition they were born with. It's probable that most of the individuals you're discussing have indeed made efforts to overcome this issue.
@@Metarig I gladly concede that many people have tried different strategies without success. That implies that some work better than others for certain people. Part of effectively losing weight can be education about food choices and behavior change. Like I said earlier, there are a multiplicity of factors that contribute to obesity. Nothing that I’ve said is ignoring that.
BUT attributing all of someone’s obesity to “I was born that way” is lying to yourself. I’ve spoken to many Christians who are overweight, and they have an incredibly cavalier attitude towards their health. I had one conversation where someone told me they would rather stay fat and die sooner than eat better and live a healthier life. That is a problem. In larger numbers than we’d like to admit, obesity amongst christians is the result of gluttony.
So if I’ve already eaten 3 meals by 5pm, come 7,8,9,10, and I’m feeling once more quite famished (high metabolic rate, underweight, currently underfed) I am not to feed myself because my apetite is raging for food? If i get hungry at ALL im going to make an effort to put food in my stomach because I desperately need that energy, i dont eat just to satiate and satisfy, but for some god given risen i burn through energy like all hell, but i realize cognitive processes also burn a fat portion of calories… and my secondary process thinking is practically alongside my primary (i use my intellect incessantly, comparably close to primary processing, a curse sometimes but I’ll take it over the blind faith that is christianity. I understand some things yall never will.) i will continue to shove every morsel presented on my plate down my gullet because it is there for my body to consume and repurpose, to allow me to continue forth.
It’s more about what you love, than the actual actions themselves. If you love food more than God then it’s idolizing food, thus gluttony. If u can’t control yourself (my issue rn) then gluttony; otherwise enjoy what’s before you! Hope this message finds you well ❤️🙏
@@perthew8592 I don't think anyone love food more than God. they just get hungry and eat.