Today's review is posted in honor of my buddy Tony's excellent rant on the same UI: www.everydaycommentary.com/www.everydaycommentary.com/2020/6/18/4xfeusou3g7yiun5qbg80mf4qkgosj
Hello, I know this video isn't reviewing the TRM Neutron, or any knife, but I wanted to ask you a question. Is there any way to shorten a folding blade by an 1/8" or just enough to be under 3" mark for sure? I hate this stupid law in Illinois and want to be safe about making the TRM Neutron my daily carry. Thanks :)
Hey Nick, huge fan of your channel and your reviews. Seldom disagree with you. However, the Toymaker Anduril firmware is actually pretty easy to use and is found in a ton of modern lights. You're just clicking way too slow :-)
I agree with your position with nicks channel and this light. I'm very new to these lights, and this light is EASY to use. I don't use the special modes hardly ever, just battery check really.
"Toymaker" is indeed a good name. This is a toy, not a tool, in the sense that it's for people who will use their light and the modes repeatedly. It's not something for people who carry a light as a backup or as a "just in case" option. As a "toy" for people who love flashlights to use daily, the UI is great, but this is definitely not any sort of UI I'd put on a product for the general masses.
@@feliciaxedine9402 just because a flashlight has a ton of functions built in besides just on and off doesn't make it a toy. Just having a battery check option makes an Andúril flashlight a far better tool than one without.
@@feliciaxedine9402Indeed many of the included options will seldom see use. That being said it’s no less a tool for all of its superfluous fearures. The choice to include muggle mode specifically addresses that concern.
I find it kind of weird to fault a light for having features you wouldn't use or care to learn. The on off and ramp features are pretty similar to your EDC light in a smaller package at a lower price with a brighter emitter. It would be pretty easy to just ignore all those other modes if you don't want to use them, which is what I do... it's like saying you dont like your car because it has seat warmers that you don't find useful. Just don't use them.
I never get past 1 or 2 clicks and hold, and I love it. The ramping and turbo is great. And I know it’s faint praise but like the UI more than Zerba or Olight. Just ignore the bottom 2/3 of the page :-)
I don't understand how this isn't a good tool. I've never owned a "high-end" flashlight and I got one from the first wave of orders. If all you want is a flashlight that turns on and off, you have that. Press it once for on and again for off. Need it to be brighter? Press and hold. Too bright? Press and hold again. That's it. That's all 99% of buyers would ever care about. That's not difficult at all. Why complain that the impractical features are impractical to use?
Ageeed! I really appreciate nicks channel, like im sure you may, but own this light and have JUST gotten into high lumen lights and I have NO problems running this. I use it everyday, and 95% of the time do not use any of the special features. This light and UI are awesome. Ps I have only watched 30 seconds of this video
@@Fanuc_Operator1990 default settings is the highest lumens in smooth/stepped ramping is not 2,800. More like 1 to 700-750 at least. You can set it up where you can use 1 to 2,800 lumens on smooth/stepped ramp but the flashlight gets really hot. I have the EDC18 which is similar to this and set it up on smooth ramp (1-600 lumens) and stepped ramp (5-600 lumens/10 steps) for practical/daily EDC use... Yes, having a 2,800 lumen flashlight at the palm of my hand is great, but most of the time, i don't have the need to use its full power... As for the Anduril UI, I enjoy using it and had no problems memorizing all the click combos for certain features, but I have to agree with Nick. Flashlights like these are not for everyone and is catered to certain consumers.
i dont get why flashlights cant have multiple buttons on them. i dont mind if it has one and it cycles through a few brightnesses and turns on and off, but when you have 40+ commands, maybe its time for a second button?
There are some flashlights with 2 buttons (one rear, one side) and even some with 3 buttons. To keep costs down, this does it all with just 1 button and it actually does the job. You just have to take it slow.
I'm ok with different modes, but the selection needs to be simplified. There should be at most two controls, a button for on/off and a separate button or preferably dial to select modes. Anything more than that starts to get confusing, especially if you need a specific mode in a hurry.
Totally agree it is a bit complicated. At the same point I simply use it for a on and off light. I have no need for strobe or flashing lights etc and for simple on/off I don't have an issue with this one, but for the 'special' features it's confusing and unnecessary.
I've carried The FW3T for a long time and an Anduril flashlight for even longer. You literally never have to access the special modes, but they are there if you want them or need them. Yes, it's complicated but it doesn't have to be. I have it on a medium ramping setting, if I need more power I click twice. If I need less light I hold the button down. I had a couple of problems the first couple of days, after that I haven't had a single problem. But it's definitely not for everyone. It offers quite extreme customization at the cost of simplicity. Edit: here's a more nuanced operating manual than Nick's: Push the button -> it turns on at the last intensity. Hold the button from off -> moonlight mode. Double click the button -> turbo. Hold the button when the light is on -> ramping up/down.
gG9XFrx4M Agreed, the andruil UI takes a couple of days To get used to but once you get your head around its function it’s actually quite simple but it also has the ability to perform a lot of functions that normal flashlight do not possess.
Yep, hasn't been an issue for me. I generally only use moonlight, ramping, turbo and lockout which in order is hold, click then hold, double click and quadruple click - easy peasy.
Following those instructions, I think this flashlight was designed for those console dance games where you need to perform the right actions to get to the next level.
If you want a stress test, try programming the thermostat on my central AC. It’s basically impossible to do. And the instruction manual only makes it worse. All I really want is to set it to one temperature and leave it there. But that doesn’t seem to be an option. It also randomly switches between degrees Celsius and degrees Fahrenheit. You’d think there’d be a simple toggle to change from C to F or F to C. But you would be wrong.
For many, this is an entirely new world. Remember how it was figuring out an MP3 player for the first time? Not much different. You learn fairly fast if you just be patient. This light is packed with capabilities.
I think you're just clicking too slowly. Also, the UI is not that complicated once you trim it down to only the things you need ie. turn on/off (single click), ramp up/down (hold/click hold), and turbo (double click from on).
I get it, the UI can be complicated if you just want an on and off light but it is a fantastic free open source UI made by a passionate woman that knows what flashlight enthusiasts want in their flashlight and so it is in use in several flashlight from different companies. If you want a great budget flashlight with simple UI and an amazing emitter, C USB port and a nice battery included then go with the Wurkkos FC11, right now is like the Ontario Rat in D2 of the flashlight world.
The UI is crazy, I love the instructions with the arrows and curves, it's a thing of beauty in that it is totally over the top. I love that somebody sat down and programmed a device with all these options that has a single button. We live in a wonderful world. My main complaint is that on high this light can set things on fire and quickly becomes too hot to hold. In practice, I press once to turn it on, press and hold to adjust the light level, and press once to turn it off. Works great. If you want to adjust the rate of candle flicker in the candle flicker mode, I think you can do that too, but I'm not going to try.
Since Nick turned the comments section off on his latest video about calling people out... I just thought I would express my support for Nick. His stance is well-thought-out and heartfelt. I agree with not amplifying hateful speech. Nick, on a personal note I just want to say what a fundamentally kind and decent human being you are. Someone obviously raised you right.
I have one. I think it's okay. I had 2 major issues with the light. One was QC was not at all there. I got a literally non functional light, and there was a very long list of common issues people were having which would result in the light not working when it arrived. Mine was a more uncommon issue which made it harder to figure out why it wasn't working. Maybe this isn't a big deal for flashlight geeks who are used to fiddling with it but I do expect if I buy a tool for it to work when I get it. Now that aside I agree the UI is completely nuts. I just don't use it. It works fine though as a click on off and hold to increase/decrease light flashlight but I can admit that leaving the utility there for you to potentially screw it up is an issue for someone who really just wants a basic light. My other major issue is the speed at which the light heats up if you're running it on high. This is the warmest flashlight I've had. Now it's not a huge issue, I usually only need a light for a few minutes, and I almost never need it on turbo or whatever the max setting is. But the fact that people felt the need to warn you that if it turns on in your pocket it might set your pants on fire is a negative for the casual user.
since firmware source is available and driver is flashable you technically can reprog the ui if have the stuff to make it do what you want, exactly how you want and only that with no other modes. That said although know some who've done that I am used to anduril ui stock and tend to do no more than setup via in light and it lives in my pocket since last year and lives in smooth ramp mode with occasional moonlight and high/turbo with the manual shelf I set for them. It was never intended as an off the shelf alternative to big name ui's but more of a happy to meddle with it niche thing
This is what happens when you let customers design products. Seriously. Customers are great at telling you what's wrong with a product, but they're absolutely terrible at designing one.
The firmware for this wasn't designed by Lumintop, it was designed by a firmware hacker named Toykeeper. She's developed several advanced, opensource flashlight interfaces. Having Anduril 2 onboard is an in-demand feature and a big selling point. There's no good reason to criticize it, simple functions like turning the light on and off and changing the brightness are simple and work pretty much like an Olight or Thrunight, etc. The advanced features are a bonus and don't get in the way when you don't need them.
If you have issues with the lumintop fw3a the best thing to do it rest the light. Unscrew the whole light from the tail cap, hold the switch in, then while holding the switch in screw the light back onto the tail cap and hold it for a few moments and it will rest. Then try the steps.... from off fast click the switch 3 times but hold the switch till the mode turns on. Once the first mode is on, fast double click the switch and you will scroll through the modes. I own 8 of these lights and yes it took a moment but once you have it, it's awesome lol sorry you didn't like it but it truly is a great light for what it is. The fireflies e07 is a light I suggest looking into also. The lumintop tool AA 2.0 is a great edc light I can see you liking it more. It's simple but very powerful.
It just takes some getting used to but i see where the frustration is coming from.. that model is my first Anduril UI flashlight now all my lights are Anduril. I wouldn't want anything else.
I must be an extremely basic flashlight user. Push the button - it comes on. Push the button - it goes off. What more do I need? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ p.s. Linux Mint FTW.
Ive been daily carrying the FW3A, mostly with the 18350 tube since it came out. Really love it. The UI is a bit confusing to new user, but when most of your flashlights have the same UI, it becomes second nature quickly. Anduril is by far my favourite UI so far
Great video Nick. i ADORE the FW3A. I own one in titanium with the XPL HI 1A driver. yes the ui is a bit much, but once you have it down pat you wont forget it haha. it takes some practice but honestly it has everything and more you possibly could need :) love the moonlight modes for when i wake up early for work and even the powerful output when im walking to my car to check for bears or anything that i may not want to run into haha.
It's certainly easier than the NovaTac 120P! (circa 2008). That came with a complicated UI that was very difficult to remember. Anduril (FW3A UI) is much more friendly!
This UI is fantastic and easily understood after just a few minutes of actually playing with it. I really think the grief on this aspect is a bit unjust and you just need to play with it a bit.
Ok.. Nick I love the channel man, and pretty much everything you put out. Don't always agree with your opinion and that is ok. All I'll say is, the light is pretty straight forward, I'm a newbie and this was the first good light I bought. I suggest anyone that's new to high lumen torches that's watching, and you're interested in a 2800 lumen $50 light that is SOLIDLY built, just watch a couple RUclips videos on how to navigate the Anduril UI. It isn't bad and you probably won't use 80% of the special features 95% of the time anyway. Thanks Nick! Appreciate the content
@@swe_nurse8121 The truth will set you free to choose an overly complicated device of illumination for the sense of superiority you feel mastering the nuances of this little game light.
Andúril is a confusing UI with a learning curve. It makes it fun to mess around with but so confusing. I have a noctigon KR4, really like it but you have to get used to the UI. I wouldn't say it's a work light you can always trust, but more so an enthousiast light. Also watch out for 5 clicks from off. It puts it into momentary mode and the only way to get out of it is to disconnect the battery
Nick! My man! Use your thumb and click the button with shorter intervals! I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess you’ve never played many video games. Love you!!!
And I thought I had a flashlight disease! JK! I do like this model, and between the aluminum, copper, and brass models, I ONLY have 7, LOL. .......plus 2 FW21 Pros....SUPER BRIGHT
@@rhpicayune I have 30+ flashlights that use the Anduril UI. I've found that once I figured it out, it became so intuitive that many of the features are indispensable. And as soon as I put a few on candle mode in the bathroom and drew a bath for my wife, she fell in love with them too.
I have this light. The current version - FW3EL. It came configured for the simple UI which makes it work like any other flashlight. Press to turn on, tap to cycle through the modes, double tap for turbo, etc. Easy and intuitive. Were it setup for the advanced UI, I'd hate it, too. I have two lights with Anduril 2. Neither is setup for advanced mode and both are a pleasure to use. Personally, I loathe the advanced tap/click BS. And to what end, when I just want a decent flashlight?
I found this helpful. Like you Nick, I think this is too complicated. In a pinch I want my light out and on turbo. Not accidental candle mode or something, lol
You need to practice and understand the diff between press and click. Nothing on a programmable light is at a slow pace. Basically you need to be navigating the clicks and presses as fast as you can click. If you can’t click fast enough then sure maybe this isn’t a light for you or others like you. However the more you use it and get the rhythm down it’s a breeze. To your comment about them doing too much and over doing the UI for the common user; it’s not for the common flashlight user. It’s made for guys who like to tinker and feel like a high speed hard charger. Hopefully you’ve given it more practice in the year since making this.
I like Anduril but it's not for everyone. First, you need to make sure the tailcap is tight. Then, you need to practice and speed up your clicks a little. Also, the FWAA uses Anduril 2.0 which has some slight changes to the UI, I believe.
This light has been the biggest waste of money and pain in my ass...I purchased it from nealsgadgets as that’s what was recommended to me and it was missing an extra battery I ordered, I thought whatever I’ll just have one sent out things happen. TWO MONTHS after messaging him about the battery he just refunded me, not what I wanted but whatever I’d already bought multiple batteries at that point elsewhere. After that and barely using the light at all other then messing with it in the house and getting used to the UI it no longer works half the time. Sometimes it’ll turn on then all of a sudden it won’t. Yes the battery is fine I’ve tried with multiple different fully charged batteries. Unscrew the head, mess with battery, screw it back on it always blinks when screwing the head on and if it actually works after that a few hours later or the next day it won’t work again. Sooooo back to trying to contact nealsgadgets to get it replaced and I’ve never gotten a response from them and have fully given up on this POS and have never in my life experienced customer service as bad as I did from nealsgadgets. I’m not at all one to bash a company or product but this frustrated me to no end because I truly loved the idea, interface and concept of this light but after nothing but issues and ZERO help about how to even fix it if something is wrong (I’ve tried all the troubleshoots to my knowledge) I’m now out over $100 because I got the titanium model because like I said I was positive that I was going to love this light.
The basic modes are super easy. Click one to turn on, then hold to ramp up, then hold again to ramp down, click twice when the light is on to go to Turbo. Anything else is very secondary, many of the features are nice but not needed for EDC.
Anyone with even a 101 level class in Human Interface Design will tell you that this light is a dismal failure at being useful to anyone other than a flashlight dork who wants an overpriced fidget toy.
The basic UI is actually really close to the Neutron. The biggest differences are that it doesn't reverse direction automatically when adjusting brightness (you have to click and hold, so that the behavior isn't dependent on the mode), and that double-click from off only goes to the top of the ramp, not turbo (double-click from on is turbo). Normal use of the light does not require any of the rest - that's all either configuration, or gimmicks (well, battery check is useful). The failure to turn off was probably more of a hardware issue. This light's design for the signal tube requires that it be built precisely and its price point doesn't allow that. It should probably have some sort of spring contacts for that like dual-tube lights from Acebeam, Fenix, and Noctigon do.
You're taking way too long and I think you're not following the directions well. The light is also fully programmable so you can make it into a standard stepped light. As far as your comparison to the nutron, its kind of the exact same for general usage.
I've had my FW3A for over 6 months. I absolutely love it. I can appreciate how some folks might be put off by the programming. It can get complicated. However... if you're able to learn how to use a new appliance, you can learn how to use this light. Note that use of the programming is optional. You can put the flashlight in "muggle mode" so you don't have to worry about how many times you click. I use the stepped ramping rather than continuous. Moonlight and turbo are very easy to access. The strobe mode is FUN--a handful of different options, including lightning storm and candle. Lots of options. You can get an 18350 tube and make this thing nearly 50% shorter. GITD inserts are available. For all you get at this price, it's an incredible value. I now have two! One runs 18650 with XPL-HI 3D (5000k) emitters and the other 18350 with SST20 (4000k) emitters.
It's called The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, or frequency bias. Once you know about something, you are more likely to register its usage or existence. The frequency of the thing happening hasn't changed, just your perception of it.
I can easily walk you through running this light. Your getting over whelmed by a very easy light to run honestly lol. The instructions is not easy to understand but once you figure it out your going to laugh how easy it is.
@@theplasticdesert2408 it is the only higher-quality (ie not from a department store) flashlight I have, and after it still lived despite going through the washer and drier, I finally came around to the concept of quality edc gear, which lead me down the path of knives. It is all the mi7's fault lol!
I should also add that you're focusing on the settings that you dont even use on your other lights I think, but if you use it just like your other lights, it will work like your other lights :) I think for most people it will work fine. I lent mine to a friend for half a day at work and all I showed is on / off and brightness and they didnt have an issue once. So I'd say its a light for enthusiasts that can be used by normal users if they dont look at the manual and dont know the other modes are there.
An absolutely perfect example of how someone can convey hilarity and intellectual content without the use of profanity. I wish more of RUclips took a page out of your book.
Just like in disassemble videos Nick gets frustrated at an object that is manufactured with flaws and does the same thing over and over with the same results. That user interface part was deja vu. Nick, please refer back to a previous comment on the definition of insanity.
i was excited about this light when i found it, but agree it is not what i want to carry. i kept getting accidental activations in my pockets and the ui is complicated. i never got the glow bezel i wanted for it either. it sits next to my computer as the go to power house light. its definitely a cool one for the collection
I have a microwave oven with tons of features and settings, but I’ve never used most of them. The same goes for my smart phone. I think this is what’s called “overdesign.” Flashlights seem to be going in the same direction. Some of the ones I have have a half-dozen or more modes (colors, strobe patterns, high and low intensity, Morse code, et all), but I don’t think I’ve ever used any except “On” and “Off.”
Check out Skylumen.com for some awesome custom spec flashlights. They have this light with a ton of different ways to get the configuration that works for you.
This light has been out for some time now but I'm really happy that Nick still did a review on it. Implicitly trust his opinions more than others. There is value in Nick's reviews no matter when he gets to them.
A perfect flashlight to go along with my Raspberry Pi 4! Now while I'm programming in Python I can rest assured that if the power goes out I will have my Lumintop at my side to see me through...
This is one of the better flashlight reviews I have seen, but I wish he would have mentioned how bright the light gets and if it is has more throw or spill.
As the manufacturer they should be impressed and at same time take your constructive criticism You done this long enough and come up on target way more often then not It’s a exciting looking light
Nick i bought the thrunite neutron after i saw your review, and then bought this light after reading the user manual. The ui is simular to the one in the neutron, If you just want to use the light normally... click from off > on double click from on> turbo hold from off> moonlight. This thing is smaller than the neutron in cr123 configuration yet it’s more powerful than the neutron in 18650 configuration, it just blows the neutron out of the water! Just read the manual first, and if you want to print the scheme as a quick reference, do a favor to yourself and print it in color...
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Today's review is posted in honor of my buddy Tony's excellent rant on the same UI: www.everydaycommentary.com/www.everydaycommentary.com/2020/6/18/4xfeusou3g7yiun5qbg80mf4qkgosj
Hello, I know this video isn't reviewing the TRM Neutron, or any knife, but I wanted to ask you a question. Is there any way to shorten a folding blade by an 1/8" or just enough to be under 3" mark for sure? I hate this stupid law in Illinois and want to be safe about making the TRM Neutron my daily carry. Thanks :)
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Hey Nick, huge fan of your channel and your reviews. Seldom disagree with you. However, the Toymaker Anduril firmware is actually pretty easy to use and is found in a ton of modern lights. You're just clicking way too slow :-)
I agree with your position with nicks channel and this light. I'm very new to these lights, and this light is EASY to use. I don't use the special modes hardly ever, just battery check really.
"Toymaker" is indeed a good name. This is a toy, not a tool, in the sense that it's for people who will use their light and the modes repeatedly. It's not something for people who carry a light as a backup or as a "just in case" option. As a "toy" for people who love flashlights to use daily, the UI is great, but this is definitely not any sort of UI I'd put on a product for the general masses.
@@feliciaxedine9402 just because a flashlight has a ton of functions built in besides just on and off doesn't make it a toy. Just having a battery check option makes an Andúril flashlight a far better tool than one without.
@@feliciaxedine9402Indeed many of the included options will seldom see use. That being said it’s no less a tool for all of its superfluous fearures. The choice to include muggle mode specifically addresses that concern.
Should have used Muggle mode...
Honestly I love the Anduril UI. Yeah, it has a lot going on but once you get hang of it its actually really amazing how many features it has to offer.
I find it kind of weird to fault a light for having features you wouldn't use or care to learn. The on off and ramp features are pretty similar to your EDC light in a smaller package at a lower price with a brighter emitter. It would be pretty easy to just ignore all those other modes if you don't want to use them, which is what I do... it's like saying you dont like your car because it has seat warmers that you don't find useful. Just don't use them.
@Archie Baldwin Yea its definitely not for people who like “simple” things lol
I never get past 1 or 2 clicks and hold, and I love it. The ramping and turbo is great. And I know it’s faint praise but like the UI more than Zerba or Olight. Just ignore the bottom 2/3 of the page :-)
I don't understand how this isn't a good tool. I've never owned a "high-end" flashlight and I got one from the first wave of orders. If all you want is a flashlight that turns on and off, you have that. Press it once for on and again for off. Need it to be brighter? Press and hold. Too bright? Press and hold again. That's it. That's all 99% of buyers would ever care about. That's not difficult at all. Why complain that the impractical features are impractical to use?
Ageeed! I really appreciate nicks channel, like im sure you may, but own this light and have JUST gotten into high lumen lights and I have NO problems running this. I use it everyday, and 95% of the time do not use any of the special features. This light and UI are awesome. Ps I have only watched 30 seconds of this video
Is it brighter than it looks in this video? It says 2800 lumens on Amazon but that doesnt look like 2800 lumens on here lol
@@Fanuc_Operator1990 default settings is the highest lumens in smooth/stepped ramping is not 2,800. More like 1 to 700-750 at least. You can set it up where you can use 1 to 2,800 lumens on smooth/stepped ramp but the flashlight gets really hot. I have the EDC18 which is similar to this and set it up on smooth ramp (1-600 lumens) and stepped ramp (5-600 lumens/10 steps) for practical/daily EDC use... Yes, having a 2,800 lumen flashlight at the palm of my hand is great, but most of the time, i don't have the need to use its full power... As for the Anduril UI, I enjoy using it and had no problems memorizing all the click combos for certain features, but I have to agree with Nick. Flashlights like these are not for everyone and is catered to certain consumers.
i dont get why flashlights cant have multiple buttons on them. i dont mind if it has one and it cycles through a few brightnesses and turns on and off, but when you have 40+ commands, maybe its time for a second button?
There are some flashlights with 2 buttons (one rear, one side) and even some with 3 buttons. To keep costs down, this does it all with just 1 button and it actually does the job. You just have to take it slow.
I detest flashlight modes. On-off please and thank you.
I'm ok with different modes, but the selection needs to be simplified. There should be at most two controls, a button for on/off and a separate button or preferably dial to select modes. Anything more than that starts to get confusing, especially if you need a specific mode in a hurry.
Totally agree it is a bit complicated. At the same point I simply use it for a on and off light. I have no need for strobe or flashing lights etc and for simple on/off I don't have an issue with this one, but for the 'special' features it's confusing and unnecessary.
I've carried The FW3T for a long time and an Anduril flashlight for even longer.
You literally never have to access the special modes, but they are there if you want them or need them. Yes, it's complicated but it doesn't have to be. I have it on a medium ramping setting, if I need more power I click twice. If I need less light I hold the button down. I had a couple of problems the first couple of days, after that I haven't had a single problem.
But it's definitely not for everyone.
It offers quite extreme customization at the cost of simplicity.
Edit: here's a more nuanced operating manual than Nick's: Push the button -> it turns on at the last intensity. Hold the button from off -> moonlight mode. Double click the button -> turbo. Hold the button when the light is on -> ramping up/down.
gG9XFrx4M Agreed, the andruil UI takes a couple of days To get used to but once you get your head around its function it’s actually quite simple but it also has the ability to perform a lot of functions that normal flashlight do not possess.
Your ergonomics-focused keyboard / roller mouse setup sounds interesting.
Just click faster.
Yep, hasn't been an issue for me. I generally only use moonlight, ramping, turbo and lockout which in order is hold, click then hold, double click and quadruple click - easy peasy.
Following those instructions, I think this flashlight was designed for those console dance games where you need to perform the right actions to get to the next level.
Wow just click faster and learn about the product before reviewing it.
I can't believe this guy is too much of a boomer is operate a 1 button interface correctly.
They should use that light & interface chart as a test to see how people handle frustration. It's not a human interface, it's an inhuman interface. 😂
If you want a stress test, try programming the thermostat on my central AC. It’s basically impossible to do. And the instruction manual only makes it worse. All I really want is to set it to one temperature and leave it there. But that doesn’t seem to be an option.
It also randomly switches between degrees Celsius and degrees Fahrenheit. You’d think there’d be a simple toggle to change from C to F or F to C. But you would be wrong.
For many, this is an entirely new world. Remember how it was figuring out an MP3 player for the first time? Not much different. You learn fairly fast if you just be patient. This light is packed with capabilities.
I’m a huge fan of my olight s2r batton ll . Works great for me an easy to use 🤷♂️ lol.
Reminds me of my dad's 2009 BMW. I still haven't figured out how to turn on the radio.
Ha! That’s like my wife’s Prius. I have no idea how to turn on the damn radio.
I think you're just clicking too slowly. Also, the UI is not that complicated once you trim it down to only the things you need ie. turn on/off (single click), ramp up/down (hold/click hold), and turbo (double click from on).
I get it, the UI can be complicated if you just want an on and off light but it is a fantastic free open source UI made by a passionate woman that knows what flashlight enthusiasts want in their flashlight and so it is in use in several flashlight from different companies. If you want a great budget flashlight with simple UI and an amazing emitter, C USB port and a nice battery included then go with the Wurkkos FC11, right now is like the Ontario Rat in D2 of the flashlight world.
Not a flashlight for older people. You have to learn new things.Just use it few days before doing a review.
The UI is crazy, I love the instructions with the arrows and curves, it's a thing of beauty in that it is totally over the top. I love that somebody sat down and programmed a device with all these options that has a single button. We live in a wonderful world. My main complaint is that on high this light can set things on fire and quickly becomes too hot to hold. In practice, I press once to turn it on, press and hold to adjust the light level, and press once to turn it off. Works great. If you want to adjust the rate of candle flicker in the candle flicker mode, I think you can do that too, but I'm not going to try.
You can totally set the temperature to never get close to being warm
@@Elektroslag with the flashlight off: click 3 times but hold the last one, then click 2 times quickly to cycle through the modes
Since Nick turned the comments section off on his latest video about calling people out... I just thought I would express my support for Nick. His stance is well-thought-out and heartfelt. I agree with not amplifying hateful speech. Nick, on a personal note I just want to say what a fundamentally kind and decent human being you are. Someone obviously raised you right.
I have one. I think it's okay.
I had 2 major issues with the light.
One was QC was not at all there. I got a literally non functional light, and there was a very long list of common issues people were having which would result in the light not working when it arrived. Mine was a more uncommon issue which made it harder to figure out why it wasn't working. Maybe this isn't a big deal for flashlight geeks who are used to fiddling with it but I do expect if I buy a tool for it to work when I get it.
Now that aside I agree the UI is completely nuts. I just don't use it. It works fine though as a click on off and hold to increase/decrease light flashlight but I can admit that leaving the utility there for you to potentially screw it up is an issue for someone who really just wants a basic light.
My other major issue is the speed at which the light heats up if you're running it on high. This is the warmest flashlight I've had. Now it's not a huge issue, I usually only need a light for a few minutes, and I almost never need it on turbo or whatever the max setting is. But the fact that people felt the need to warn you that if it turns on in your pocket it might set your pants on fire is a negative for the casual user.
Oh god the Arch Linux name drop. Ouch
Edit: can we get a pc tour?
Good day to you sir. Do you have a minute to talk about Arch Linux?
Yan Doroshenko I do and I just installed it on a VM. I’m looking at installing herbstluftwm on top of it.
since firmware source is available and driver is flashable you technically can reprog the ui if have the stuff to make it do what you want, exactly how you want and only that with no other modes. That said although know some who've done that I am used to anduril ui stock and tend to do no more than setup via in light and it lives in my pocket since last year and lives in smooth ramp mode with occasional moonlight and high/turbo with the manual shelf I set for them. It was never intended as an off the shelf alternative to big name ui's but more of a happy to meddle with it niche thing
This is what happens when you let customers design products. Seriously. Customers are great at telling you what's wrong with a product, but they're absolutely terrible at designing one.
The firmware for this wasn't designed by Lumintop, it was designed by a firmware hacker named Toykeeper. She's developed several advanced, opensource flashlight interfaces. Having Anduril 2 onboard is an in-demand feature and a big selling point.
There's no good reason to criticize it, simple functions like turning the light on and off and changing the brightness are simple and work pretty much like an Olight or Thrunight, etc. The advanced features are a bonus and don't get in the way when you don't need them.
If you have issues with the lumintop fw3a the best thing to do it rest the light. Unscrew the whole light from the tail cap, hold the switch in, then while holding the switch in screw the light back onto the tail cap and hold it for a few moments and it will rest. Then try the steps.... from off fast click the switch 3 times but hold the switch till the mode turns on. Once the first mode is on, fast double click the switch and you will scroll through the modes. I own 8 of these lights and yes it took a moment but once you have it, it's awesome lol sorry you didn't like it but it truly is a great light for what it is. The fireflies e07 is a light I suggest looking into also. The lumintop tool AA 2.0 is a great edc light I can see you liking it more. It's simple but very powerful.
It just takes some getting used to but i see where the frustration is coming from.. that model is my first Anduril UI flashlight now all my lights are Anduril. I wouldn't want anything else.
That UI looks downright ugly!
BTW, what’s the name of that app that you tile your windows with? I could use something like that.
Yabai!
I must be an extremely basic flashlight user. Push the button - it comes on. Push the button - it goes off. What more do I need? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
p.s. Linux Mint FTW.
Ive been daily carrying the FW3A, mostly with the 18350 tube since it came out. Really love it. The UI is a bit confusing to new user, but when most of your flashlights have the same UI, it becomes second nature quickly. Anduril is by far my favourite UI so far
Like you said Nick its for flashlight nerds.
Great video Nick. i ADORE the FW3A. I own one in titanium with the XPL HI 1A driver. yes the ui is a bit much, but once you have it down pat you wont forget it haha. it takes some practice but honestly it has everything and more you possibly could need :)
love the moonlight modes for when i wake up early for work and even the powerful output when im walking to my car to check for bears or anything that i may not want to run into haha.
It's certainly easier than the NovaTac 120P! (circa 2008). That came with a complicated UI that was very difficult to remember. Anduril (FW3A UI) is much more friendly!
I do like the 18650 set up but, they lost me at lack of simplicity which is the ultimate litmus test for a torch
This UI is fantastic and easily understood after just a few minutes of actually playing with it. I really think the grief on this aspect is a bit unjust and you just need to play with it a bit.
Ok.. Nick I love the channel man, and pretty much everything you put out. Don't always agree with your opinion and that is ok. All I'll say is, the light is pretty straight forward, I'm a newbie and this was the first good light I bought. I suggest anyone that's new to high lumen torches that's watching, and you're interested in a 2800 lumen $50 light that is SOLIDLY built, just watch a couple RUclips videos on how to navigate the Anduril UI. It isn't bad and you probably won't use 80% of the special features 95% of the time anyway. Thanks Nick! Appreciate the content
And I do admit, the UI instruction sheet does look crazy over the top
Sounds like a light for those who enjoy being a member of an elite club. That isn't me. Great heads up.
Or perhaps a light for people that have other needs and wishes than most people. Which is probably much closer to the truth.
@@swe_nurse8121 The truth will set you free to choose an overly complicated device of illumination for the sense of superiority you feel mastering the nuances of this little game light.
Andúril is a confusing UI with a learning curve. It makes it fun to mess around with but so confusing. I have a noctigon KR4, really like it but you have to get used to the UI. I wouldn't say it's a work light you can always trust, but more so an enthousiast light.
Also watch out for 5 clicks from off. It puts it into momentary mode and the only way to get out of it is to disconnect the battery
Nick! My man! Use your thumb and click the button with shorter intervals! I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess you’ve never played many video games. Love you!!!
I have 13 of these. Love em!
And I thought I had a flashlight disease! JK! I do like this model, and between the aluminum, copper, and brass models, I ONLY have 7, LOL. .......plus 2 FW21 Pros....SUPER BRIGHT
@@rhpicayune I have 30+ flashlights that use the Anduril UI. I've found that once I figured it out, it became so intuitive that many of the features are indispensable.
And as soon as I put a few on candle mode in the bathroom and drew a bath for my wife, she fell in love with them too.
@@gg9xfrx4m30 currently it's a natural aluminum version with Samsung LH351D emitters and multi-color secondaries.
Yeah fustrating just watching 🥴😂😭
I have this light. The current version - FW3EL. It came configured for the simple UI which makes it work like any other flashlight. Press to turn on, tap to cycle through the modes, double tap for turbo, etc. Easy and intuitive. Were it setup for the advanced UI, I'd hate it, too. I have two lights with Anduril 2. Neither is setup for advanced mode and both are a pleasure to use. Personally, I loathe the advanced tap/click BS. And to what end, when I just want a decent flashlight?
Could you review some of Reylights popular EDC lights?
If you can't get you're head around Anduril, use muggle mode 😂
I found this helpful. Like you Nick, I think this is too complicated. In a pinch I want my light out and on turbo. Not accidental candle mode or something, lol
You need to practice and understand the diff between press and click. Nothing on a programmable light is at a slow pace. Basically you need to be navigating the clicks and presses as fast as you can click. If you can’t click fast enough then sure maybe this isn’t a light for you or others like you. However the more you use it and get the rhythm down it’s a breeze. To your comment about them doing too much and over doing the UI for the common user; it’s not for the common flashlight user. It’s made for guys who like to tinker and feel like a high speed hard charger. Hopefully you’ve given it more practice in the year since making this.
I like Anduril but it's not for everyone. First, you need to make sure the tailcap is tight. Then, you need to practice and speed up your clicks a little. Also, the FWAA uses Anduril 2.0 which has some slight changes to the UI, I believe.
This light has been the biggest waste of money and pain in my ass...I purchased it from nealsgadgets as that’s what was recommended to me and it was missing an extra battery I ordered, I thought whatever I’ll just have one sent out things happen. TWO MONTHS after messaging him about the battery he just refunded me, not what I wanted but whatever I’d already bought multiple batteries at that point elsewhere. After that and barely using the light at all other then messing with it in the house and getting used to the UI it no longer works half the time. Sometimes it’ll turn on then all of a sudden it won’t. Yes the battery is fine I’ve tried with multiple different fully charged batteries. Unscrew the head, mess with battery, screw it back on it always blinks when screwing the head on and if it actually works after that a few hours later or the next day it won’t work again. Sooooo back to trying to contact nealsgadgets to get it replaced and I’ve never gotten a response from them and have fully given up on this POS and have never in my life experienced customer service as bad as I did from nealsgadgets. I’m not at all one to bash a company or product but this frustrated me to no end because I truly loved the idea, interface and concept of this light but after nothing but issues and ZERO help about how to even fix it if something is wrong (I’ve tried all the troubleshoots to my knowledge) I’m now out over $100 because I got the titanium model because like I said I was positive that I was going to love this light.
The basic modes are super easy. Click one to turn on, then hold to ramp up, then hold again to ramp down, click twice when the light is on to go to Turbo. Anything else is very secondary, many of the features are nice but not needed for EDC.
Damn, now I'm very curious. looks well thought-out to me. :-)
Anyone with even a 101 level class in Human Interface Design will tell you that this light is a dismal failure at being useful to anyone other than a flashlight dork who wants an overpriced fidget toy.
Looks like Compact Tri Flood 14500 LED Flashlight With Nichia - by Maratac
Anyone know if it the same?
The basic UI is actually really close to the Neutron. The biggest differences are that it doesn't reverse direction automatically when adjusting brightness (you have to click and hold, so that the behavior isn't dependent on the mode), and that double-click from off only goes to the top of the ramp, not turbo (double-click from on is turbo). Normal use of the light does not require any of the rest - that's all either configuration, or gimmicks (well, battery check is useful).
The failure to turn off was probably more of a hardware issue. This light's design for the signal tube requires that it be built precisely and its price point doesn't allow that. It should probably have some sort of spring contacts for that like dual-tube lights from Acebeam, Fenix, and Noctigon do.
You're taking way too long and I think you're not following the directions well. The light is also fully programmable so you can make it into a standard stepped light. As far as your comparison to the nutron, its kind of the exact same for general usage.
You didn't do it fast enough lmao that UI is in almost every new enthusiast flash light out right now. So speed it up and you will be fine.
Lol sounds like the type of person who’s scared to upgrade phone’s because, “I finally learned how to use this one”
Lol, wow so ridiculous. I guess this is the problem with a lot of people trying to run a business these days... just very little common sense.
Practice makes perfect, patience... Andril UI is the defacto standard for flashlight nerds
WOW THANKS
By 4:20 into video you have me convinced, I need a hit more than this UI. Back shortly ...
I want to thank you for your great presentation on the flashlight thank you very much my friend 🏆
Recently I've been into chess a lot. But it's not really a challenge, I think I'll switch to using this light.
I've had my FW3A for over 6 months. I absolutely love it. I can appreciate how some folks might be put off by the programming. It can get complicated. However... if you're able to learn how to use a new appliance, you can learn how to use this light. Note that use of the programming is optional. You can put the flashlight in "muggle mode" so you don't have to worry about how many times you click. I use the stepped ramping rather than continuous. Moonlight and turbo are very easy to access. The strobe mode is FUN--a handful of different options, including lightning storm and candle. Lots of options. You can get an 18350 tube and make this thing nearly 50% shorter. GITD inserts are available. For all you get at this price, it's an incredible value. I now have two! One runs 18650 with XPL-HI 3D (5000k) emitters and the other 18350 with SST20 (4000k) emitters.
i just picked one up and the thing is a nightmare, seems well made, but the clicking patterns are mad.
The designers must’ve taken UI cues from Nitecore.
Nitecore has a few lights with more than one button...
It says it right on the diagram 3 Fast click or2
Lumintop blf build awesome lights
You gotta click it faster. One click per second like you were doing isn't gonna cut it.
it blows my mind that i start getting into flashlights and now everywhere i go theres a review/redditpost about flashlights, im an npc
Lol i was just up all night watching flashlight reviews then this pops up.
It's called The Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, or frequency bias. Once you know about something, you are more likely to register its usage or existence. The frequency of the thing happening hasn't changed, just your perception of it.
You should Click Click Click instead of
Click, Click, Click.
Surefire sidekick is my personal favorite for convenience
Surefire sidekick is my personal favorite for convenience
I can easily walk you through running this light. Your getting over whelmed by a very easy light to run honestly lol. The instructions is not easy to understand but once you figure it out your going to laugh how easy it is.
I like the light but has a mushy button which seems to make it worse.
im also a split keyboard user
I'll definitely stick with my mi7 lol
Micah Miller mi7 is a great flashlight.
@@theplasticdesert2408 it is the only higher-quality (ie not from a department store) flashlight I have, and after it still lived despite going through the washer and drier, I finally came around to the concept of quality edc gear, which lead me down the path of knives. It is all the mi7's fault lol!
Just clic faster and it becomes a gem 😀
If it's your only light you will learn it
i can't read those instructions....
I just want a bright light
Two fast clicks is turbo
You should review a Zebralight if you ever get the chance. The most no-nonsense, quality flashlights there are.
I'll pass ....
I should also add that you're focusing on the settings that you dont even use on your other lights I think, but if you use it just like your other lights, it will work like your other lights :) I think for most people it will work fine. I lent mine to a friend for half a day at work and all I showed is on / off and brightness and they didnt have an issue once. So I'd say its a light for enthusiasts that can be used by normal users if they dont look at the manual and dont know the other modes are there.
An absolutely perfect example of how someone can convey hilarity and intellectual content without the use of profanity. I wish more of RUclips took a page out of your book.
Just like in disassemble videos Nick gets frustrated at an object that is manufactured with flaws and does the same thing over and over with the same results. That user interface part was deja vu. Nick, please refer back to a previous comment on the definition of insanity.
i was excited about this light when i found it, but agree it is not what i want to carry.
i kept getting accidental activations in my pockets and the ui is complicated.
i never got the glow bezel i wanted for it either. it sits next to my computer as the go to power house light.
its definitely a cool one for the collection
I have a microwave oven with tons of features and settings, but I’ve never used most of them. The same goes for my smart phone.
I think this is what’s called “overdesign.”
Flashlights seem to be going in the same direction. Some of the ones I have have a half-dozen or more modes (colors, strobe patterns, high and low intensity, Morse code, et all), but I don’t think I’ve ever used any except “On” and “Off.”
Check out Skylumen.com for some awesome custom spec flashlights. They have this light with a ton of different ways to get the configuration that works for you.
This light has been out for some time now but I'm really happy that Nick still did a review on it. Implicitly trust his opinions more than others. There is value in Nick's reviews no matter when he gets to them.
A perfect flashlight to go along with my Raspberry Pi 4! Now while I'm programming in Python I can rest assured that if the power goes out I will have my Lumintop at my side to see me through...
Yeah. I just want to get around the back of my apartment building without surprising a skunk, not perform a BABALITY in MKIII.
Takes time to get used to something your not very familiar with. This applies to a lot of stuff 🤷♂️
Very Nice and happy it is isn’t the useless plug in rechargeable that I hate for the field. But that kind of battery I hate!
I had this light and it worked great right out the box. Fast forward 1 month and its trash! Doesn’t work as intended......
This is one of the better flashlight reviews I have seen, but I wish he would have mentioned how bright the light gets and if it is has more throw or spill.
I feel like I'm missing something about cylindrical lights. I just hate them in my pocket.
As the manufacturer they should be impressed and at same time take your constructive criticism
You done this long enough and come up on target way more often then not
It’s a exciting looking light
It would be easy to design an app to help with all these features
Nick i bought the thrunite neutron after i saw your review, and then bought this light after reading the user manual.
The ui is simular to the one in the neutron, If you just want to use the light normally... click from off > on double click from on> turbo hold from off> moonlight. This thing is smaller than the neutron in cr123 configuration yet it’s more powerful than the neutron in 18650 configuration, it just blows the neutron out of the water! Just read the manual first, and if you want to print the scheme as a quick reference, do a favor to yourself and print it in color...
Oh and by the way: the tail button it’s the best placement ever invented: no need to rotate the damn thing in the dark to find the damn button!