back in my younger days that is what I used to do on the Ford starter solenoids was take them apart and flip that washer over and they worked forever but that was when you could take them apart they went to all plastic molded together later on
@@merlepatterson Maybe. Not real sure though. I worked at a shop where we made copper bus bars and such. The owner always sent them for a special coating. Sorry, I can't remember what it was called.
@@briangarland9883 Bus bars are a bit different than contactors or blade switches. They are fixed items and don't move. The coating was probably an anti-corrosion conformal coating, much the same as what finished circuit boards are coated with.
As much as I love old Cat equipment, I’ve spent a few thousand hours operating a Euclid TS 24 scraper years ago that was Cummins powered - it’s rear engine starting needed non of that trickery, it simply used an air starter & 1 simple airline running from the compressor on the front motor to the rear motor - it worked faultlessly for years - Cat aren’t always as clever as they think they are😲
Man paydirt, ur knowledge of these old school tools\machines is priceless, love the long explanations an the repairs you do always look better than the new, I can guarantee this machine will outlast any new one that's for sure, thanks for sharing awesome videos 🇺🇲💪👍🤙✊ #T2024
For the comments about turning a copper disc. Plain copper won't work. Both surfaces have a coating of Silver tungsten or silver platinum to keep the copper from just welding together. That's why when you try "cleaning" higher amperage contacts they don't usually last very long. Cleaning usually removes the coating
I make all kinds of gaskets for a living mostly industrial,back in the day we did some not many old cars steam engine packing,old paint sprayers. O rings mostly have went to China,small companies I used to talk to went outta business,Amazon is squeezing out and setting there own prices on anything they can,disgusting! We don’t do off the streets anymore no money in it,we do to drawing,prints. I enjoy watching your videos and I think we’re about the same age 64, I’ve had back surgery in 22 and knee replacement couple months ago love working on my own stuff,hoping to get back to some normalcy,keep going Jeff your my inspiration,really!
Dust ejector tube and goPro check inside muffler "centred." Air filter plug faster without ejector tube working and dust "killed engine." Love legacy Cat equipment!!
I picked up a katz kit to replace a trashed system on a 644E Deere, it had a set of nozzles based on displacement. its a 7.6 liter but used the 4 liter nozzle, works just dandy
The old saying... They don't make ' em like they used to... is true mostly because the remove and replace technicians at the stealer-ship don't repair anything like mechanics used to in prehistoric times. Thanks for sharing Your knowledge and time Jeff. Best Wishes to You, Your Family and Friends. #110500
You did all you can for that Solenoid . Hopefully it will last awhile. I can find the exact same one, only 12V, which is a no go. Hopefully you'll find one. TGP
It reminds me of when I worked on the railroad. Everything was heavy and you needed a crane or forklift just to move the parts around. That makes even a simple job exhausting.
When you show the solenoid it looks like something off a car or truck, then you put hands on it, it looks as big as a starter off a car or truck. Nothing small about things off that big iron.
Idea.. For me I'd go length ways with a strap or cable. Even if I had to build a eyelet behind the belly pan so I can attach a clevis or what ever you want to use.
Jeff, If you can get the specs or the original solenoid I am sure there has to be another solenoid that could be substituted for the original. I would think look not only in heavy equipment but marine, stationary equipment (gen-set’s, umps etc) and or locomotive. Additionally you might want to se Jasper Engines still does electric motor/devices repair/rebuild. I had good luck with them a long time ago rewinding and converting 2-Phase electric motors to 3-Phase motors.
@gullreefclub. Your spot on mate, goes for so many applications, supply companies aren’t going to the expense of retooling their equipment to make a similar product just for different brands. Same goes for manufacturers of small engines, they will use the same product just rebranded, you can save heartache and money finding exact parts this way. Cheers.
All the memories, I never had to replace the solenoid, but for them damn cables going to the rear motor🤬 and I can’t wait to see what you do with the valve, I’ve had them all about 100 times. The biggest problem I always had. They would leak by and the rear engine would want to creep up on idle.
Just wondering about your throttle valve moving freely, does that valve work with differential pressures each side of the piston? If so it might be that the spool should be hard to move by hand. The M3 triple valve for train brakes was extremely hard to move by hand when it was being demonstrated in the classroom model (a real example pulled out of service) yet in operation a triple piston would move with only a pound or so of pressure difference.
two orings inside, spring pressure returns it, you have to find just the right size orings and in a less than 70 duro, like a 50 duro. soft . I emailed bendix tech, and they responded, (very surprised) but just said we're very busy but someone will address your question, which was.........what are the oring specs and can you supply them
FYI, those cutoff switches are not made to close under load. That's the difference between them and a true starter solenoid. They won't last long in that application
@@raykaufman7156 doesn't need to last long. Just until the new part gets there. For that matter a bolt or jumper cables will work to get it running and into the garage...
You should just open your shop to customers and call it Jeff wins repair.
back in my younger days that is what I used to do on the Ford starter solenoids was take them apart and flip that washer over and they worked forever but that was when you could take them apart they went to all plastic molded together later on
Now I read someone else is a FORD SHADETREE mechanic!!!! AWESOME 😏
Wonder if a small sheet of 3/16" copper plate could be turned out on the lathe?
You can but I think there's a coating on them to keep the contacts from sticking.
@@briangarland9883 I think that's why they make the contacts dissimilar metals (Silver/copper) to prevent sticking
@@briangarland9883 But I suppose you could apply some electrical contact grease of the right type as well?
@@merlepatterson Maybe. Not real sure though. I worked at a shop where we made copper bus bars and such. The owner always sent them for a special coating. Sorry, I can't remember what it was called.
@@briangarland9883 Bus bars are a bit different than contactors or blade switches. They are fixed items and don't move. The coating was probably an anti-corrosion conformal coating, much the same as what finished circuit boards are coated with.
Long explanations are always better for a retired gearhead
As much as I love old Cat equipment, I’ve spent a few thousand hours operating a Euclid TS 24 scraper years ago that was Cummins powered - it’s rear engine starting needed non of that trickery, it simply used an air starter & 1 simple airline running from the compressor on the front motor to the rear motor - it worked faultlessly for years - Cat aren’t always as clever as they think they are😲
I agree, and they've gotten even less clever
Man paydirt, ur knowledge of these old school tools\machines is priceless, love the long explanations an the repairs you do always look better than the new, I can guarantee this machine will outlast any new one that's for sure, thanks for sharing awesome videos 🇺🇲💪👍🤙✊ #T2024
Well your glockenspiel got a broken springin sprogen that the problem .
ouunt glockenspieler is kaput shultz
For the comments about turning a copper disc.
Plain copper won't work. Both surfaces have a coating of Silver tungsten or silver platinum to keep the copper from just welding together. That's why when you try "cleaning" higher amperage contacts they don't usually last very long. Cleaning usually removes the coating
I make all kinds of gaskets for a living mostly industrial,back in the day we did some not many old cars steam engine packing,old paint sprayers. O rings mostly have went to China,small companies I used to talk to went outta business,Amazon is squeezing out and setting there own prices on anything they can,disgusting! We don’t do off the streets anymore no money in it,we do to drawing,prints. I enjoy watching your videos and I think we’re about the same age 64, I’ve had back surgery in 22 and knee replacement couple months ago love working on my own stuff,hoping to get back to some normalcy,keep going Jeff your my inspiration,really!
"Balls!" said the Queen. "If only I had two, I would be the King!"
Jeff will win, i guarantee it, sending the good luck mojo to you 👍
THANK YOU Jeff i just saw folded hose
I bet its much nicer working on this stuff in the summer time
Damn u know alot about these old cats
Jeff wins again.😅
Gday Jeff ,
CAT scraper ,
Two engines ,
Gotta love that .
Jeff keeps his cool on obsolete parts ,,,,
WIN WIN.
Respect....!
Jeff, LOOKS GREAT, IF that was in a OLD FORD it would run FOREVER!!!!👍🏻👍🏻😍😍😍😍😍
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!!!
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Have someone machine you a replacement piece... Shouldn't cost much.
Love watching you work Jeff. It’s like I’m helping but don’t get my hands dirty!😂😂😂
Great video Jeff always enjoy watching you work on this 637. Fixing parts to make your equipment work for you. Thanks for sharing stay safe Jeff.
Dust ejector tube and goPro check inside muffler "centred." Air filter plug faster without ejector tube working and dust "killed engine." Love legacy Cat equipment!!
Hi mate thanks for sharing I enjoy watching your videos keep em coming
I picked up a katz kit to replace a trashed system on a 644E Deere, it had a set of nozzles based on displacement. its a 7.6 liter but used the 4 liter nozzle, works just dandy
The old saying... They don't make ' em
like they used to... is true mostly because the remove and replace technicians at the stealer-ship don't repair anything like mechanics used to in prehistoric times. Thanks for sharing Your knowledge and time Jeff.
Best Wishes to You, Your Family and Friends.
#110500
You did all you can for that Solenoid . Hopefully it will last awhile.
I can find the exact same one, only 12V, which is a no go.
Hopefully you'll find one.
TGP
My local alternator/starter rebuilder carries a big variety of heavy contactors
It reminds me of when I worked on the railroad. Everything was heavy and you needed a crane or forklift just to move the parts around. That makes even a simple job exhausting.
When you show the solenoid it looks like something off a car or truck, then you put hands on it, it looks as big as a starter off a car or truck. Nothing small about things off that big iron.
Idea..
For me I'd go length ways with a strap or cable. Even if I had to build a eyelet behind the belly pan so I can attach a clevis or what ever you want to use.
Another great video bro. Safe travels. Ken.
Atom Ant would be the one who did the Atomising. He was a handy little fellow.
Jeff, If you can get the specs or the original solenoid I am sure there has to be another solenoid that could be substituted for the original. I would think look not only in heavy equipment but marine, stationary equipment (gen-set’s, umps etc) and or locomotive. Additionally you might want to se Jasper Engines still does electric motor/devices repair/rebuild. I had good luck with them a long time ago rewinding and converting 2-Phase electric motors to 3-Phase motors.
@gullreefclub. Your spot on mate, goes for so many applications, supply companies aren’t going to the expense of retooling their equipment to make a similar product just for different brands. Same goes for manufacturers of small engines, they will use the same product just rebranded, you can save heartache and money finding exact parts this way. Cheers.
stay tuned
All the memories, I never had to replace the solenoid, but for them damn cables going to the rear motor🤬 and I can’t wait to see what you do with the valve, I’ve had them all about 100 times. The biggest problem I always had. They would leak by and the rear engine would want to creep up on idle.
That svc truck crane doesn't owe you much.
Hey up Jeff might be worth getting some copper bar and parting a disc off in lathe, really like that trailer at the end fits your scraper super sweet
Is the belt bouncing up and down on the rear engine or is that a camera optical illusion?
Hay Jeff make one of those discks for that start sillnod .
Sorry about that this is rest of my comment on your lathe.
I like knowing lots on random info.
Nice temp fix. Why can’t you just get any old 24v 4 post solenoid ? Just a heavy duty version…….
Yeah, should be plenty of options out there for that switch.
Good job Jeffrey
Just wondering about your throttle valve moving freely, does that valve work with differential pressures each side of the piston? If so it might be that the spool should be hard to move by hand. The M3 triple valve for train brakes was extremely hard to move by hand when it was being demonstrated in the classroom model (a real example pulled out of service) yet in operation a triple piston would move with only a pound or so of pressure difference.
two orings inside, spring pressure returns it, you have to find just the right size orings and in a less than 70 duro, like a 50 duro. soft . I emailed bendix tech, and they responded, (very surprised) but just said we're very busy but someone will address your question, which was.........what are the oring specs and can you supply them
Possibly you could turn up a new copper washer contractor will get you some more life out of it
You're telling me there's copper washer contractors, LOL stay tuned for part 2
How did you know I was concerned about that dust ejector hose?
your mom told me lol
What’s the hours change recommendation by Cat for the engine and trans for the older engines? I imagine it is a 3306 up front and a 3116 out back.
D343 up front 3306B in the rear
250hrs on the 3306
125 originally on the 343, but with the switchblade turbocharger I have been able to double that
@@Jpaydirt that turbo makes it that much more efficient?!? Damn! Solid investment.
Question. 12.51 you say you need to start the rear engine before the front builds air. Why is that?
The throttle issue would cause it to run up pretty fast
28.51 you answered my question
U cant pull with that one?
You can't push with that one only pull its always have to be first In line
Any messages today
I think I did in the last video, or maybe the next one
What is the size difference between the front and rear engines on the scrapers?
The front one is a big as my Johnson, the rear is the size of your Johnson.........lol front 893 cu inch, rear 638
Jeff have you heard of a Ray Go giant?
Yes, but how did you know that's what she calls it LOL
@@Jpaydirt You never lose ,That's why I tune into Jeff's world. It might hurt but you smile .
You could get by with a battery cutoff switch and just turn it on to start the motor then turn it back off
FYI, those cutoff switches are not made to close under load. That's the difference between them and a true starter solenoid. They won't last long in that application
@@raykaufman7156 doesn't need to last long. Just until the new part gets there. For that matter a bolt or jumper cables will work to get it running and into the garage...
@@kennethney4260
Absolutely. I thought you were talking about REPLACING the discontinued part. 👍👍👍
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