Where this doesn't work is that the AI typhoons fire multiple missiles on the same targets. Human pilots would have been far more clever and would not have expended all their missiles against the northern group. 50% of the AI typhoon missiles were wasted.
There's only so much you can do with the AI, you end up having to give them half loadouts, then spawning in other aircraft later with the other half of the loadout to try and pace out their weapon output. It gets messy and silly.
Loved the video cap, have you considered "competitive" simulation battles, where you pick a battle (such as Chinese invasion of Taiwan, Nato intervention in Ukraine etc.) where both side's assets are set up and controlled by a different human, without the other side knowing what to expect. Both the viewers and you would know the full story, but human participants would only know the number of enemy assets, not their positioning or setup, and would be able to make more strategic decisions.
Oooo that sounds interesting, especially the part where the sides don't have any precursor info on the other. You could probably only do this with ground units though.
@@grimreapers Can you maybe get the two commanders to write the orders for their side's AI, then build the mission based off that? Orders on the level of 'this flight does CAP in this zone, this flight anti-ship in this area, this flight go bomb that base'. Give each commander a briefing packet with their asset list and the intel they have about what's going on, then they write what they want to happen. Then when the mission runs the two sets of orders play against each other and we see what happens.
@@grimreapers Don't be too hard on yourself Super Cap!!! You almost always put the lads through the toughest scenarios just to push the envelope and see what is even really possible. That is bad ass, and really fun to watch!! Valued viewingtons, myself included, don't honestly expect wins all the time, but that doesn't make the missions any less enjoyable in my opinion. Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
I was in the Falklands on deployment with the RAF in 1987 when Carlos Menem came into power threatening the invasion again , lots of rhetoric from the recently elected fellow & lots of time for us on stand to & exercises, but no sign of any hostilities in the 127 days I spent on the islands. Today they're too busy sinking Chinese long line fishing vessels fishing illegally in their territorial waters to worry about us in reality , & with their economy in disarray the average Agentinian just wants a stable life & money in their pocket it's just another politician who promises them the most , but never delivers sadly. Ps love all your vids though Cap & the GR crew 😎
Never forget an external war is often used by governments as a way of distracting their people from rough times at home. That’s what happened originally and led to the invasion. Not saying it will happen now but you can’t ever discount a leader/dictator from starting a war to make people forget their daily troubles.
@@grimreapersit's just because if you don't say "malvinas son argentinas" you get scolded (the official maps actually include them). guy said he admires margareth tatcher (and got a ton of backlash for it, hence why he probably said this kind of thing later), last thing he'll do is something stupid like this. he already got a ton on his plate. he's perfectly aligned with the US, europe and israel, even changed argentina's stance to openly support ukraine. tbh first one to be aligned with the west in a ton of time. also, US and Brazil would never let this happen again. US because it's terrible and argentina have tipped a lot to china's control. going to war against a NATO nation would just full on confirm that. and brazil because it's right on our asses (again), just like the guyana thing. and also would disrupt where 95% of our exports/imports travel on (just around there). prices would jump up, it would be terrible.
Interesting, but surely the 12 Typhoons would have been 10 with 2 in defence. I can't see that all the assets would have been deployed in such a cowboy fashion, leaving the Island undefended. The EWS would have calculated the number of F16's and seen that it wasn't the entire fleet, so any Commander would have approached it slightly differently. I guess this is the challenge of using Sim's.
This scenario was missing the Naval element of a Frigate or Destroyer, thats always down there. Also fleet would be doomed as there's normally an attack submarine down there too.
Yes there is , we had an 'O' boat tied up along side a support vessel in Mare Harbour, one of the silent hunter killer subs of which the 'O' boats were famous for, met some of the crew great bunch of chaps, real salty !
To do what you did, Argentina would need such impressive intelligence system that's able to tell how many missiles have been fired and at what and know at all times how many missiles Typhoons have left. If they could do that, mighty impressive! They'd topped the world's most advanced surveillance systems by a wide margin!
If it's one thing I have learned about AI is they could care less about the restrictions you place on them. Restrict AB...full AB the whole flight. Restrict tank jettison...they drop them at first contact. And so on and so on. If you just leave them be, sometimes they will actually do the right thing! lol And some of their tactics are mind numbing. When a four ship CAP detects the enemy, one dives for the deck, one turns 90° right, one goes straight up, the last one actually does what the're supposed to do. The one on the deck then goes full AB and tries to get back to altitude and by the time they get back, they're so low on fuel they just quit and divert to the nearest neutral/friendly airfield. Not enough fuel to make it back to the carrier. Frustrating AF. To be honest, I would like to see major AI improvements over any new modules or improvements to existing modules. Yes, datalinks are nice, but when your wingman does all that goofy crap, not much sense in a good datalink is there? Sorry, I should be talking about how cool this video is, not venting. But when Cap mentioned it at the beginning, it just brewed in my head till I couldn't stand it any longer!
So if we're doing Falklands simulations I have a fun (if terribly unrealistic) wargames for you. The year is 1982, Argentina has launched their invasion of the Falklands as in real life (or as close as DCS can simulate it) However, a Soviet task force just happens to be near by and intercept the radio traffic from the invasion. For some reason (maybe he just wants Britain to owe him one or just wants to show off his fleet) Leonid Brezhnev orders the task force to intervene. If the Soviets win, re-run the simulation adding in other South American nations for extra fun. Just to see how much firepower it takes for South America to beat the USSR.
There was some concern in 82 if the Argentines retained the islands that Soviets would start using the convenient anchorages around the islands if they had a need.
Actually the Soviet Union was more than happy for the RN to head to the South Atlantic and get its ships beaten up and potentially loose whilst fighting a far right military government and ally of the US (which is why they abstained in the UN). I did read the Norwegians managed to hack some soviet satelites to provide information to the UK - I have always wondered if the Soviets let them :-).
@@tomriley5790 The Soviets passed satellite photos and intelligence to the Argentinean AND the British. They wanted to see how effective western naval forces and anti ship missiles were. (Argentine naval forces were mostly old British equipment or new equipment manufactured in Britain/France) A bit like winding up and egging on the two biggest guys at school so you can watch a good fight.
@@tomriley5790 Yes. But another thing to consider is how little of the RN went South in 82. The RN continued to meet all its worldwide requirements apart from the Gulf and the RNZN took that up for us. Plus there were still viable hulls in the reserve fleet too that could have been called upon if needed.
@@clangerbasher Yep, a question of timing before i) the worst of the bad weather and ii) Argentina could bolster their defences. Both on FI and updating their air defences, say by buying more Exocets. British intelligence were leading them on a merry dance on that score but sooner or later they were going to get something. Also, I did wonder when the nuclear sub fleet would simply have their RoE changed to allow them to sink anything the Argentine Navy had. Then there's the role of Special Forces directly attacking critical infrastructure in Argentina itself, and either extracting to Chile or by sub. We know plans were made but not implemented.
France and/or Spain might have a claim. If you go back enough in history all claims become rather questionable. tbh my knowledge of the (very!) historic background comes mainly from Oversimplified's video on the Falkland War. Which is still a good source. And there was some ...debate between Britain and Spain.
@@grimreapers Controlled? no they controlled nothing they invaded with a small garrison of 21 men & a small number of civilians about 12 of them on an already populated islands. Their settlement was soon starving many of the garrison mutinied & went off to loot other settlements killing some of islanders who resisted. Many of those that weren't killed or captured by the islanders turned on their own commander killing him & raping his wife. The rest including the civilian's were desperately waiting for their ship to return to flee the islands when a British warship showed up. The civilians were allowed to stay & some did while most chose to leave, those in the garrison that didn't commit crimes were ordered to leave when their ship arrived. The captured mutineers were put in chains they later returned to Argentina & seven were executed by firing squad for killing their commander while four others received floggings & were jailed.
Sorry, I was stationed at Byron Heights EWR and we used to look at commercial aircraft flying up Argentina, so none of your stealth flying would have counted.
Only problem with this is the RAF wouldnt waste so many missiles from the get go, would likely release a few volleys and turn around and wait and so how many aircraft are downed before entering again and finishing off.
Recently, in Ukraine, new munitions are being employed for bombing targets. Specifically, a type of glide bomb such as FAB250/FAB500 and recently fielded FAB-1500M-54. Perhaps a demonstration of how big of area is impacted by each type of munition (if available in DCS) and how accurate they are to a specific target could be a fun exercise for the GR team. Keep up the flow of content!
Just noticed at 22:05 that the rear fins on the missile swivel. Not sure I have missed this before in the 'excitement' or if this a new animation. Looks great though.
Just suppose the UK was caught out (again) and Argentina managed to capture the islands. Could their F-16s defend against a full deployment QE class CV air group?
No chance at all. Even F16 block 50/52 flown as blue air with all the support of the USAF (AWACS etc) get clobbered by F35. The technological gap is just far too big.
I mean if all they get is the B or C5s then they don't really pose any danger to the UK. But will have parity with the Brazilian Gripen. Which is what is seen as the reason for the purchase
Military balance between Argentina and Brazil is already tilting heavily towards the latter, giving the former F-16 A/B MLUs would be enough, unless Lula’s Brazil become hyper aggressive or leaning further towards PRC, I won’t see advanced AAMs supply to Fuerza Aérea Argentina coming.
Back in the actual Falklands War, a UK sub managed to sink the General Belgrano cruiser; apocryphal story that Argentina's only carrier was approaching from a different direction, and the sub commander was asking permission to sink that too, but the UK government said no. The UK also never tried to attack the Argentine mainland assets or other Argentine ships that declined to leave port after Belgrano was destroyed. They were trying to find a balance between fighting back and over-escalating things. (Cold War was still going on, and despite the weird fact this war was between two hardline right wing regimes, the UK did not want to seem excessively bloodthirsty, which (in that Cold War climate) might agitate other nations into taking Argentina's side against "British imperialism". Not that Argentina's government was deserving of sympathy. Argentina's military regime took a very bloody gamble to try and quell domestic criticism with a "quick win", and instead by losing, it doomed them.
The night before the Belgrano was sunk - had the Argentinians had more than 4 knots of wind they would have attacked HMS Hermes which they had located - an almost unheard of (at the time of the year) lack of wind saved the British from humiliation. Still, it's a reminder that peacetime penny-pinching costs you wars - the reason why the Argentinians needed the wind of god is because the boilers onboard their carrier were poorly maintained and couldn't make make enough steam for more than 12 knots, meaning fully armed A-4s couldn't take off without significant wind assistance.
I don't know what 'Grim Reaper' would be in Spanish. Los Homme de Mortes? Edit: Segadores sombríos? Edit2: Yeah that was a very costly operation, I doubt the Argentines could do very much after that.
@@342Rodry oh bugger. I should maybe try and actually study Spanish. Oh yeah, I did use a translator, and we all know what the are like. Funny enough parca did come up.
@@342Rodry ha ha ha! You seem to be doing ok to me. Funnily enough, the closest I come to functioning in another language is in Japanese. I lived there for a while.
Hi love this video. Was around during the Falklands war. Just wondering what would have happened if the British had not sank the General Belgrano, forcing the Argentinan navy to run for home. In other words, the Argentinan navy was able to complete their alleged pinser movement and engage the Royal Navy task force. I assume the Argentinan Air Force's remaining assets will also take part.
One question Cap (and I apologize because it totally defeats the purpose of your video), but if a conflict occurred, couldn't the British use one or more Astute Class Submarines to launch Cruise Missiles at the Argentine Airbases and knock them out of commission?
Probably. Also good luck getting an invasion fleet past an Astute. SSN crews like to say that there are two kinds of ships: There are submarines, and there are targets. Spearfish is a terrifyingly amazing torpedo.
The Typhoons can also lob full range Storm Shadows, but doing so would be a first strike, which is politically risky. You don't get as much international support if you strike first.
Just to be clear Milei does not has a radical view over the Falklands (as the old party in power did). This is a democratic elected candidate and not the ghost of a military junta, greetings from AR :D
ahh It's most likely that Argy "special" forces would attempt to take out the EW radar. I've served there many moons ago at Mount Adam and Mount Campito and an interesting landscape.
Someones making a high quality AH-1G mod (channel is called "Violent Nomad"), but other than that I've heard nothing. I wanted to make a Whiskey Cobra mod but DCS modding is unimaginably difficult.
Those are the current forces on station, Mt Pleasant is designed to run up to several wings if required. If Argentina was preparing to launch all of their F-16's in a suicide run, then the UK would know about it in advance and swell the forces up. No point at the moment as Argentina doesn't really have any working fast jets.
I mean I know you wanted to give yourselves as a many advantages as you could but you really shouldn't know how many missiles had been fired. That simply made it incredibly easy to win.
29:52 "The plan worked" _For given values of 'worked'_ 😂😂😂 There entire new airforce is dead bar two F-16s and there's a super carrier coming but... 😂😉
My one and only problem with this video is the phrase "get the Falklands back". They've never had them so how can they get them back?! Otherwise loved the video as always :D
This is all brilliant and entertaining btw. Not sure how valuable it all is in terms of getting an idea of how it would go in the unlikely and undesirable event but I love it nonetheless
there was also a batch of 42 block 40/50 up for sale direct form US stocks offered by the US Airforce 2 years ago, that would give them a better chance if brought.
If Argentina tried to retake the Falklands they would be defeated in no time. There is five times the amount of military personnel on the islands than there was in 82 before the invasion, Also the Argentine mainland would be hit by volleys of tomahawk cruise missiles launched by Astute class submarines, taking out the southern airfields within range of the Falklands.There token airforce would not be able to operate therfore. Even if it did get off the ground, it would be swiftly taken out by the typhoons.
This was an excellent concept for the TOT attack from two directions in my opinion!! I have to say though, I know you had to keep human pilots in the northern group, but I think if there were enough manpower for maybe four or six human pilots in that southern group that flanked the Typhoons from the south, that would have been even more favorable. I agree with the assessment of both Cap and Matrix though, the win doesn't even really make a difference in the real world though. If Argentina could defeat a squadron of Typhoons in the real world, it will 100% be a Pyrrhic victory, and I personally don't even think they could really do it. That being said, it's a moot point, because when HMS Queen Elizabeth shows up with her F-35's and an armada packed to the brim with pissed off Royal Marines... to quote the late great Bill Paxton as Hudson from the film Aliens, "Game over man, Game over.". Rule Brittania!!! Great Flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle Oh, this is what Argentina's government assumed in 1982. "A declining UK with no will to fight for a collection of distant barren rocks." So very wrong about the British character - it would be easier to buy those rocks than to steal them by force.
@@wyldhowl2821 The people, I suspect, these days are not the same. The younger generations have lost their focus. The next government will be Labour. They rarely work in the interests of Britain. So, no there will be little political will, and that is what matters. As with the recent attempt to give Gibraltar to Spain behind the backs of the politicians, we have a Civil Service that is torn between duty and politics. If Argentina tried and we fought, they'd lose. Hands down. Our military is too good. My fear is that they will be ordered to surrender.,should a surprise attack be made.
So this a mission win for the UK right? With 3 planes left in the Argentine air force, the CV task group would be absolutely uncontested, and with a T45 and sub in the area, no landing can happen. Not withstanding what happens when you deconflict the missiles and dont dump 4 missiles per plane.
the RAF can refuel and rearm a typhoon in under 15 minutes. they would burn hard to 60k feet, drop all there meteors, land rearm and do it all over again.
I dont think they'd be daft enough to send all Typhoons in the same direction at the same time.... if they would have only held 1 or 2 back then the F16's coming in from the South would have been in trouble
Does the meteor missile even exist? Is there actually a squadron of jets in the Falklands and not just a couple of them? I'm being a realist. I've worked very closely with typhoons both on the RAF as well as many years overseas for a foreign air force. And when I served there were only maybe two jets there, and the meteor was a pipe dream on the designers desk. My connection with the platform finished circa 2016.
Meteor is in use with the RAF on all Typhoon squadrons and will be implemented onto F-35B with Block 4 circa 2028 until which point, they will use the AIM-120D-3. There is a permanent flight of 4 Typhoon FGR4s on the Falklands along with a Voyager. In this scenario, Britain anticipated an invasion so stationed an additional 12 Typhoons to RAF Mount Pleasant.
@@curtiswhyte3297 thank you. So real life x4 jets? Not a chance in hell against Argentina. The last typhoon I was involved with up close was carrying IRIS T. 😉
@@curtiswhyte3297 I don't think we bought AIM-120D, as we were expecting to have the short fin (adapted for F-35) version of Meteor in service by now (which it isn't) - so we have existing stock block B and C AMRAAMs on "our" F-35s giving them no better air to air capability than the Sea Harrier back in 2010 - The block D refresh is going to cost billions and is the end of the road for F-35 upgrades until they are completely refitted with modern computer systems. F-35 is an IT antique under the covers. Current tranche Typhoon is miles ahead as the systems have been refreshed constantly - unlike the troublesome F-35 which had to be frozen to iron out the thousands of bugs - on top of this mess due to all this penny-pinching to fund the useless F-35Bs - our Typhoons have been allowed to fall behind too. This is a monumental mess - most of it driven by whatever maximises BAe's profits - the tail is wagging the dog.
The F-16 MLUs will come with remote kill switch. They will not even get airborne if attempting to get Falklands. Secondly, US will not sell them Harpoon or any anti-ship missiles and may not even give the AMRAAMs. If ever Argentina looked practical in getting Falklands then first step will be to buy lot of Chinese aircrafts JF-17s, J-10s with loads of anti-ship missiles etc. Plus they will also require a naval build up. Nothing in sight so far.
Actually it is not doable. There are several factors you didn't take into account that the Brits used last time. This time the Brits who will be defending can use some of the same tactics to forestall any mass air attack from Argentina.
Did you forget about the UK subs? I think one sub could probably deal with most, if not all of the invasion fleet. Also are there no AWACS aircraft in the Falklands? If not that seems like a bit of a mistake...
@@dexlab7539If the QnLz or PoW CAG has to go down south? You can take it as read there's going to be at least two Astutes with them. Probably a half & half bomb shop load out of TLAM & Mod.1 Spearfish.
Depends on how much notice the Uk's intel systems give in advance, and what the carriers are up to at the time. You can't really do surprise attacks these days with spy sats above and subs below. With the UK's strength in intel assets, plus 5 eyes, it's likely they would have plenty of notice.
@@godalmighty83 I wondered that. Also drones and MANPADs. And a spy armed with a Mk1 eyeball and a sat phone. I always find it amusing that there's an assumption that the Argentine military WANTS to fight for the FI. Loyalty is a funny thing and it's *very* rare for one democracy to declare war on another. (I know that's well outside the scope of this sim.)
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Y'all should do this and use F35s or put the humans in F22s ... I'm just curious how that would work for those long range missiles
Where this doesn't work is that the AI typhoons fire multiple missiles on the same targets. Human pilots would have been far more clever and would not have expended all their missiles against the northern group. 50% of the AI typhoon missiles were wasted.
There's only so much you can do with the AI, you end up having to give them half loadouts, then spawning in other aircraft later with the other half of the loadout to try and pace out their weapon output. It gets messy and silly.
Roger Arty - that's what gave me the idea for the Argy tactics - I new UK AI would waste their missiles.
Yes, but Human F16 pilots would be smarter as well - cancel each other out?
@@godalmighty83 But presents a more realistic simulated outcome.
Take back? They’ve never had occupancy. Cant take back what you’ve never had
In fairness they did take it during the war before being royally booted out.
They never even took any notice of the Islands until the British threw the French out in 1833.
Educate your self on history before making a comment.
It used to belong to them we colonialized it and they love us
@@michaelhughes4562there was no occupants on the islands when the British got there, Argentina wasn't even a country at the time
great vid. Although wouldn't rely on the rag Daily Mail as a source of unbiased info..
Um aaaacckttuuuaally. Shudddup
My thought too
I’m sure they’re capable of critical thinking on their own 😂 besides, bias had nothing to do with that quote. You’re a bit obsessed, aren’t you? Lol
Best to rely on CNN.
@@JustinKaislol. 🤮
Loved the video cap, have you considered "competitive" simulation battles, where you pick a battle (such as Chinese invasion of Taiwan, Nato intervention in Ukraine etc.) where both side's assets are set up and controlled by a different human, without the other side knowing what to expect. Both the viewers and you would know the full story, but human participants would only know the number of enemy assets, not their positioning or setup, and would be able to make more strategic decisions.
That would be amazing.
Oooo that sounds interesting, especially the part where the sides don't have any precursor info on the other. You could probably only do this with ground units though.
BRILLIANT idea but DCS just isn't interactive enough at the moment. All AI planes have to be pre-scripted before the mission begins etc.
@@grimreapers Can you maybe get the two commanders to write the orders for their side's AI, then build the mission based off that? Orders on the level of 'this flight does CAP in this zone, this flight anti-ship in this area, this flight go bomb that base'. Give each commander a briefing packet with their asset list and the intel they have about what's going on, then they write what they want to happen. Then when the mission runs the two sets of orders play against each other and we see what happens.
"It went a lot better than I expected" 😂 That's the spirit Matrix !
Well, it's GR....
@@grimreapers Don't be too hard on yourself Super Cap!!! You almost always put the lads through the toughest scenarios just to push the envelope and see what is even really possible. That is bad ass, and really fun to watch!! Valued viewingtons, myself included, don't honestly expect wins all the time, but that doesn't make the missions any less enjoyable in my opinion. Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
I was in the Falklands on deployment with the RAF in 1987 when Carlos Menem came into power threatening the invasion again , lots of rhetoric from the recently elected fellow & lots of time for us on stand to & exercises, but no sign of any hostilities in the 127 days I spent on the islands. Today they're too busy sinking Chinese long line fishing vessels fishing illegally in their territorial waters to worry about us in reality , & with their economy in disarray the average Agentinian just wants a stable life & money in their pocket it's just another politician who promises them the most , but never delivers sadly.
Ps love all your vids though Cap & the GR crew 😎
Roger I imagine Falklands promises are a good election tool at best.
Milei is a crazy leader! He is stupid enough to invade imo 😮😮😮
Never forget an external war is often used by governments as a way of distracting their people from rough times at home. That’s what happened originally and led to the invasion. Not saying it will happen now but you can’t ever discount a leader/dictator from starting a war to make people forget their daily troubles.
@@grimreapersit's just because if you don't say "malvinas son argentinas" you get scolded (the official maps actually include them). guy said he admires margareth tatcher (and got a ton of backlash for it, hence why he probably said this kind of thing later), last thing he'll do is something stupid like this. he already got a ton on his plate. he's perfectly aligned with the US, europe and israel, even changed argentina's stance to openly support ukraine. tbh first one to be aligned with the west in a ton of time.
also, US and Brazil would never let this happen again. US because it's terrible and argentina have tipped a lot to china's control. going to war against a NATO nation would just full on confirm that. and brazil because it's right on our asses (again), just like the guyana thing. and also would disrupt where 95% of our exports/imports travel on (just around there). prices would jump up, it would be terrible.
Interesting, but surely the 12 Typhoons would have been 10 with 2 in defence. I can't see that all the assets would have been deployed in such a cowboy fashion, leaving the Island undefended. The EWS would have calculated the number of F16's and seen that it wasn't the entire fleet, so any Commander would have approached it slightly differently. I guess this is the challenge of using Sim's.
This scenario was missing the Naval element of a Frigate or Destroyer, thats always down there. Also fleet would be doomed as there's normally an attack submarine down there too.
Yes there is , we had an 'O' boat tied up along side a support vessel in Mare Harbour, one of the silent hunter killer subs of which the 'O' boats were famous for, met some of the crew great bunch of chaps, real salty !
Theres not been an escort down there for many years, just an OPV. And certainly no submarine.
@@Spaceman9090 an Astute could fire Tomahawks from a maximum of 1000 miles out.
No frigate defending the island anymore. Only a river class patrol boat. Armed with a 30mm
Great Falklands "could happen" video - excellent job getting the TOT to work and the benefits of it
To do what you did, Argentina would need such impressive intelligence system that's able to tell how many missiles have been fired and at what and know at all times how many missiles Typhoons have left. If they could do that, mighty impressive! They'd topped the world's most advanced surveillance systems by a wide margin!
they'd also effectively pay the US for the Falklands. Losing all the planes to get all the islands. Only Argentina doesn't have F10.
bet the Falklands would get early warnings from radars in Chile
If it's one thing I have learned about AI is they could care less about the restrictions you place on them. Restrict AB...full AB the whole flight. Restrict tank jettison...they drop them at first contact. And so on and so on. If you just leave them be, sometimes they will actually do the right thing! lol And some of their tactics are mind numbing. When a four ship CAP detects the enemy, one dives for the deck, one turns 90° right, one goes straight up, the last one actually does what the're supposed to do. The one on the deck then goes full AB and tries to get back to altitude and by the time they get back, they're so low on fuel they just quit and divert to the nearest neutral/friendly airfield. Not enough fuel to make it back to the carrier. Frustrating AF. To be honest, I would like to see major AI improvements over any new modules or improvements to existing modules. Yes, datalinks are nice, but when your wingman does all that goofy crap, not much sense in a good datalink is there? Sorry, I should be talking about how cool this video is, not venting. But when Cap mentioned it at the beginning, it just brewed in my head till I couldn't stand it any longer!
Ah... someone else out there knows my pain :)
@@grimreaperso
*couldn't care less
@@Maurice_Mossthank you, my man.
Could care less? Mong
no "Margaret" or "Thatcher" typhoons?
Maggie is a true, British hero !!!
@@douglasarthur2673no, she was evil and ruined the economy
The Islands are not Argentina's in the first place so the headline is misleading.
So if we're doing Falklands simulations I have a fun (if terribly unrealistic) wargames for you.
The year is 1982, Argentina has launched their invasion of the Falklands as in real life (or as close as DCS can simulate it) However, a Soviet task force just happens to be near by and intercept the radio traffic from the invasion. For some reason (maybe he just wants Britain to owe him one or just wants to show off his fleet) Leonid Brezhnev orders the task force to intervene.
If the Soviets win, re-run the simulation adding in other South American nations for extra fun. Just to see how much firepower it takes for South America to beat the USSR.
There was some concern in 82 if the Argentines retained the islands that Soviets would start using the convenient anchorages around the islands if they had a need.
Actually the Soviet Union was more than happy for the RN to head to the South Atlantic and get its ships beaten up and potentially loose whilst fighting a far right military government and ally of the US (which is why they abstained in the UN). I did read the Norwegians managed to hack some soviet satelites to provide information to the UK - I have always wondered if the Soviets let them :-).
@@tomriley5790
The Soviets passed satellite photos and intelligence to the Argentinean AND the British. They wanted to see how effective western naval forces and anti ship missiles were. (Argentine naval forces were mostly old British equipment or new equipment manufactured in Britain/France)
A bit like winding up and egging on the two biggest guys at school so you can watch a good fight.
@@tomriley5790 Yes. But another thing to consider is how little of the RN went South in 82. The RN continued to meet all its worldwide requirements apart from the Gulf and the RNZN took that up for us. Plus there were still viable hulls in the reserve fleet too that could have been called upon if needed.
@@clangerbasher
Yep, a question of timing before i) the worst of the bad weather and ii) Argentina could bolster their defences. Both on FI and updating their air defences, say by buying more Exocets.
British intelligence were leading them on a merry dance on that score but sooner or later they were going to get something.
Also, I did wonder when the nuclear sub fleet would simply have their RoE changed to allow them to sink anything the Argentine Navy had.
Then there's the role of Special Forces directly attacking critical infrastructure in Argentina itself, and either extracting to Chile or by sub. We know plans were made but not implemented.
One thing I couldn't help but to notice, Argentina doesn't have AIM-9X😅 They have AIM-9M, and I'm not sure they'll be receiving any AIM-9X's...
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Thanks.
@@grimreapers Np!😁✌
There is something you guys don't know Argentina could have help of china this time
@@user-xt8hw8ct3s lol not to b rude and sarcastic but they aren't getting any AIM-9X's from China ;)
I think I kno what your getting at tho, PL-10
Back? Argentina has never possessed them to have them back.
I believe they controlled them for 2 months?
@grimreapers yeah, thats true, held "Bennies" in a community building and pooped all over the floor of another.
France and/or Spain might have a claim. If you go back enough in history all claims become rather questionable.
tbh my knowledge of the (very!) historic background comes mainly from Oversimplified's video on the Falkland War. Which is still a good source. And there was some ...debate between Britain and Spain.
@@5Andysalive France relinquished its dubious claims on one of the islands to Spain.
@@grimreapers Controlled? no they controlled nothing they invaded with a small garrison of 21 men & a small number of civilians about 12 of them on an already populated islands. Their settlement was soon starving many of the garrison mutinied & went off to loot other settlements killing some of islanders who resisted. Many of those that weren't killed or captured by the islanders turned on their own commander killing him & raping his wife. The rest including the civilian's were desperately waiting for their ship to return to flee the islands when a British warship showed up. The civilians were allowed to stay & some did while most chose to leave, those in the garrison that didn't commit crimes were ordered to leave when their ship arrived. The captured mutineers were put in chains they later returned to Argentina & seven were executed by firing squad for killing their commander while four others received floggings & were jailed.
Despite the outcome it suggests that the Typhoons would win if lobbing missiles with a bit more thought
Yup
The Falklands have NEVER been part of Argentina. Great Britain annexed the islands BEFORE ARGENTINA EXISTED!
Do you ever plan these with the idea in mind that not all the jets will get off the ground due to mechanical issues?
Good Mission guys! Great video Again. Thanks GR TEAM!!!
Sorry, I was stationed at Byron Heights EWR and we used to look at commercial aircraft flying up Argentina, so none of your stealth flying would have counted.
Should we send the bill for all those Typhoons and dead pilots to the US or Denmark?
Only problem with this is the RAF wouldnt waste so many missiles from the get go, would likely release a few volleys and turn around and wait and so how many aircraft are downed before entering again and finishing off.
The important thing to remember is any kind of senerio where Argentina manages to attack the islands will involve them loosing 99% of their new f-16's
SEND IN THE CHAINSAW SPECIAL FORCES!
Recently, in Ukraine, new munitions are being employed for bombing targets. Specifically, a type of glide bomb such as FAB250/FAB500 and recently fielded FAB-1500M-54. Perhaps a demonstration of how big of area is impacted by each type of munition (if available in DCS) and how accurate they are to a specific target could be a fun exercise for the GR team. Keep up the flow of content!
Just noticed at 22:05 that the rear fins on the missile swivel. Not sure I have missed this before in the 'excitement' or if this a new animation. Looks great though.
A loss of only four Thyphoons? Aren’t there just about 4 Thyphoons stationed down there?
Thyphoon?
By 18:35 the F35 are already smashing Buenos Airies
And then some.
Just suppose the UK was caught out (again) and Argentina managed to capture the islands. Could their F-16s defend against a full deployment QE class CV air group?
No chance at all. Even F16 block 50/52 flown as blue air with all the support of the USAF (AWACS etc) get clobbered by F35. The technological gap is just far too big.
No
Deeply doubt the US would supply AIM-120s to Argentina, most likely would only get AIM-9M.
I mean if all they get is the B or C5s then they don't really pose any danger to the UK. But will have parity with the Brazilian Gripen. Which is what is seen as the reason for the purchase
ooof well they won't be much use then...
Military balance between Argentina and Brazil is already tilting heavily towards the latter, giving the former F-16 A/B MLUs would be enough, unless Lula’s Brazil become hyper aggressive or leaning further towards PRC, I won’t see advanced AAMs supply to Fuerza Aérea Argentina coming.
I don't think the Americans would side with the UK on this.
@@appa609Biden loves wars (we have 2 now and a third in development with Taiwan), so he would engage….needs his 10% 😂
A pyrrhic victory. great video lots of fun :)
"Aputaaaaah!" *Rips frag-o off the board...*
Really enjoyed this battle and the outcome was a surprise
Back in the actual Falklands War, a UK sub managed to sink the General Belgrano cruiser; apocryphal story that Argentina's only carrier was approaching from a different direction, and the sub commander was asking permission to sink that too, but the UK government said no. The UK also never tried to attack the Argentine mainland assets or other Argentine ships that declined to leave port after Belgrano was destroyed. They were trying to find a balance between fighting back and over-escalating things. (Cold War was still going on, and despite the weird fact this war was between two hardline right wing regimes, the UK did not want to seem excessively bloodthirsty, which (in that Cold War climate) might agitate other nations into taking Argentina's side against "British imperialism". Not that Argentina's government was deserving of sympathy. Argentina's military regime took a very bloody gamble to try and quell domestic criticism with a "quick win", and instead by losing, it doomed them.
The night before the Belgrano was sunk - had the Argentinians had more than 4 knots of wind they would have attacked HMS Hermes which they had located - an almost unheard of (at the time of the year) lack of wind saved the British from humiliation. Still, it's a reminder that peacetime penny-pinching costs you wars - the reason why the Argentinians needed the wind of god is because the boilers onboard their carrier were poorly maintained and couldn't make make enough steam for more than 12 knots, meaning fully armed A-4s couldn't take off without significant wind assistance.
U are my fav RUclipsr keep up the good work ❤🎉
My grandad was is the Queens reg in 1982 when it kicked off and in the troubles but the only time he speaks about it is when he is drunk
Sounds good, but there is no Sabre Battery in Stanley, and there are only 4 Typhoons.
I like how open F16 canopy is..........
Any ideas when the type 003 will get a Ingame model?
No idea but probably a long time.
I don't know what 'Grim Reaper' would be in Spanish. Los Homme de Mortes?
Edit: Segadores sombríos?
Edit2: Yeah that was a very costly operation, I doubt the Argentines could do very much after that.
That's french dude, the equivalent in spanish is "la parca" or "la muerte" (death, in short)
@@342Rodry oh bugger. I should maybe try and actually study Spanish. Oh yeah, I did use a translator, and we all know what the are like. Funny enough parca did come up.
@@Pablo668 I totally understand you, I have the same problem with english xD
@@342Rodry ha ha ha! You seem to be doing ok to me. Funnily enough, the closest I come to functioning in another language is in Japanese. I lived there for a while.
@@Pablo668 that's awesome, sounds like a great experience
Hi love this video. Was around during the Falklands war. Just wondering what would have happened if the British had not sank the General Belgrano, forcing the Argentinan navy to run for home. In other words, the Argentinan navy was able to complete their alleged pinser movement and engage the Royal Navy task force.
I assume the Argentinan Air Force's remaining assets will also take part.
One question Cap (and I apologize because it totally defeats the purpose of your video), but if a conflict occurred, couldn't the British use one or more Astute Class Submarines to launch Cruise Missiles at the Argentine Airbases and knock them out of commission?
Probably. Also good luck getting an invasion fleet past an Astute. SSN crews like to say that there are two kinds of ships: There are submarines, and there are targets. Spearfish is a terrifyingly amazing torpedo.
The Typhoons can also lob full range Storm Shadows, but doing so would be a first strike, which is politically risky. You don't get as much international support if you strike first.
What about the Type 45 Destroyer that would be defending the Falklands?
8:15 Why didn't Group One/Northern Group* just take off from a road lol in true GR fashion plus that way you wouldn't have to intermingle with AI
Yes maybe should have.
@@grimreapers lol next time ;) ✌
What simulator is this/software is this? How can I get involved, i love it. amazing job guys
Just to be clear Milei does not has a radical view over the Falklands (as the old party in power did). This is a democratic elected candidate and not the ghost of a military junta, greetings from AR :D
ahh It's most likely that Argy "special" forces would attempt to take out the EW radar. I've served there many moons ago at Mount Adam and Mount Campito and an interesting landscape.
I think the Falklands only have 4 Typhoons?
In this role play the 4 block 1 Typhoons were replaced by a full block 4 squadron at last minute.
Anyone know when DCS is getting a AH-1Z Cobra? I’d love to see one added to the roster of helicopters.
Someones making a high quality AH-1G mod (channel is called "Violent Nomad"), but other than that I've heard nothing. I wanted to make a Whiskey Cobra mod but DCS modding is unimaginably difficult.
I thought the Brit's just keep 4 Typhoons in the Falklands?
In this role play the 4 block 1 Typhoons were replaced by a full block 4 squadron at last minute.
Those are the current forces on station, Mt Pleasant is designed to run up to several wings if required. If Argentina was preparing to launch all of their F-16's in a suicide run, then the UK would know about it in advance and swell the forces up. No point at the moment as Argentina doesn't really have any working fast jets.
I mean I know you wanted to give yourselves as a many advantages as you could but you really shouldn't know how many missiles had been fired. That simply made it incredibly easy to win.
What computer program is used for this simulation?
Grim reapers…learning history and then blowing it up!! 😂😂😂😂😂
29:52 "The plan worked"
_For given values of 'worked'_ 😂😂😂
There entire new airforce is dead bar two F-16s and there's a super carrier coming but... 😂😉
The Falkland islands never belonged to Argentina, so what do you mean with 'taking back'?
UK only has like 110ish Typhoons this would be a massive loss and humiliation.
You can't take back what you have never had. The Falklands have been British longer than Argentina has existed.
My one and only problem with this video is the phrase "get the Falklands back". They've never had them so how can they get them back?! Otherwise loved the video as always :D
Everyone really wants to go to war over land that's been taking fairly huh
This is not even fair.
As soon as you mentioned the "Daily Mail" I knew this was a fantasy situation :)
This is all brilliant and entertaining btw. Not sure how valuable it all is in terms of getting an idea of how it would go in the unlikely and undesirable event but I love it nonetheless
Those F-16s sure did have a pretty paint job.
The Argentinian military of today is nowhere near as strong as in the 1980s they have a hard time keeping a dozen aircraft in operable condition.
Those f16s remind me of the bad guy micro machines ❤😅
Bogachev AI being Bogachev AI again.
Not only do they have omnipotence, but they now have advanced missile evading skills to match up with it.
Could you guys do a video on what kind of warships Ukraine could use for missile defense
there was also a batch of 42 block 40/50 up for sale direct form US stocks offered by the US Airforce 2 years ago, that would give them a better chance if brought.
Looks like they're getting the 40 year old F-16s
If Argentina tried to retake the Falklands they would be defeated in no time. There is five times the amount of military personnel on the islands than there was in 82 before the invasion, Also the Argentine mainland would be hit by volleys of tomahawk cruise missiles launched by Astute class submarines, taking out the southern airfields within range of the Falklands.There token airforce would not be able to operate therfore. Even if it did get off the ground, it would be swiftly taken out by the typhoons.
Great mission! Love the strategy elements.
Remember East Timor? Remember GOA? ARGENTINA ❤ VOLVERMOS!!! 😂👍👍
This was an excellent concept for the TOT attack from two directions in my opinion!! I have to say though, I know you had to keep human pilots in the northern group, but I think if there were enough manpower for maybe four or six human pilots in that southern group that flanked the Typhoons from the south, that would have been even more favorable. I agree with the assessment of both Cap and Matrix though, the win doesn't even really make a difference in the real world though. If Argentina could defeat a squadron of Typhoons in the real world, it will 100% be a Pyrrhic victory, and I personally don't even think they could really do it. That being said, it's a moot point, because when HMS Queen Elizabeth shows up with her F-35's and an armada packed to the brim with pissed off Royal Marines... to quote the late great Bill Paxton as Hudson from the film Aliens, "Game over man, Game over.". Rule Brittania!!! Great Flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
That's assuming the political will in the UK to fight. Not a given. The HMSQE would probably not be sent.
@@I_Don_t_want_a_handle Oh, this is what Argentina's government assumed in 1982. "A declining UK with no will to fight for a collection of distant barren rocks." So very wrong about the British character - it would be easier to buy those rocks than to steal them by force.
@@wyldhowl2821 The people, I suspect, these days are not the same. The younger generations have lost their focus.
The next government will be Labour. They rarely work in the interests of Britain.
So, no there will be little political will, and that is what matters.
As with the recent attempt to give Gibraltar to Spain behind the backs of the politicians, we have a Civil Service that is torn between duty and politics.
If Argentina tried and we fought, they'd lose. Hands down. Our military is too good. My fear is that they will be ordered to surrender.,should a surprise attack be made.
So this a mission win for the UK right? With 3 planes left in the Argentine air force, the CV task group would be absolutely uncontested, and with a T45 and sub in the area, no landing can happen.
Not withstanding what happens when you deconflict the missiles and dont dump 4 missiles per plane.
the RAF can refuel and rearm a typhoon in under 15 minutes. they would burn hard to 60k feet, drop all there meteors, land rearm and do it all over again.
Could the QEs even get there without breaking down ? could we assemble and frigates to escort them ? are the type 45s not still awaiting new engines ?
True - but Argentina has even fewer assets - that actually work.
What about land based Anti Ship Missiles and Land based air Defence Missiles !!!!!
GR? LOL Well Done!
*loses entire airforce*
"I see this as an absolute win!"
I dont think they'd be daft enough to send all Typhoons in the same direction at the same time.... if they would have only held 1 or 2 back then the F16's coming in from the South would have been in trouble
at no time in history has the falklands been part od argentine
Does the meteor missile even exist? Is there actually a squadron of jets in the Falklands and not just a couple of them? I'm being a realist. I've worked very closely with typhoons both on the RAF as well as many years overseas for a foreign air force. And when I served there were only maybe two jets there, and the meteor was a pipe dream on the designers desk. My connection with the platform finished circa 2016.
Meteor is in use with the RAF on all Typhoon squadrons and will be implemented onto F-35B with Block 4 circa 2028 until which point, they will use the AIM-120D-3.
There is a permanent flight of 4 Typhoon FGR4s on the Falklands along with a Voyager. In this scenario, Britain anticipated an invasion so stationed an additional 12 Typhoons to RAF Mount Pleasant.
@@curtiswhyte3297 thank you. So real life x4 jets? Not a chance in hell against Argentina. The last typhoon I was involved with up close was carrying IRIS T. 😉
@@curtiswhyte3297 I don't think we bought AIM-120D, as we were expecting to have the short fin (adapted for F-35) version of Meteor in service by now (which it isn't) - so we have existing stock block B and C AMRAAMs on "our" F-35s giving them no better air to air capability than the Sea Harrier back in 2010 - The block D refresh is going to cost billions and is the end of the road for F-35 upgrades until they are completely refitted with modern computer systems. F-35 is an IT antique under the covers. Current tranche Typhoon is miles ahead as the systems have been refreshed constantly - unlike the troublesome F-35 which had to be frozen to iron out the thousands of bugs - on top of this mess due to all this penny-pinching to fund the useless F-35Bs - our Typhoons have been allowed to fall behind too. This is a monumental mess - most of it driven by whatever maximises BAe's profits - the tail is wagging the dog.
How many f 16 would be taken out on the ground by tlam?
I was worried up until "reference the Daily Mail".
The F-16 MLUs will come with remote kill switch. They will not even get airborne if attempting to get Falklands. Secondly, US will not sell them Harpoon or any anti-ship missiles and may not even give the AMRAAMs. If ever Argentina looked practical in getting Falklands then first step will be to buy lot of Chinese aircrafts JF-17s, J-10s with loads of anti-ship missiles etc. Plus they will also require a naval build up. Nothing in sight so far.
Actually it is not doable. There are several factors you didn't take into account that the Brits used last time. This time the Brits who will be defending can use some of the same tactics to forestall any mass air attack from Argentina.
They cannot take back something they never had!
Did you forget about the UK subs? I think one sub could probably deal with most, if not all of the invasion fleet. Also are there no AWACS aircraft in the Falklands? If not that seems like a bit of a mistake...
Unlikely any of the very limited number of UK subs would be deployed there
@@dexlab7539If the QnLz or PoW CAG has to go down south? You can take it as read there's going to be at least two Astutes with them. Probably a half & half bomb shop load out of TLAM & Mod.1 Spearfish.
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*Argentinian president taking notes*
That takeoff made me feel like I was watching the Doolittle raid in the Pearl Harbor movie. 🤣😰😰😰😰😰
that is Carcass island @ about 32 min
Thank you guys -top notch effort.
"Queen Elizabeth will be there in 2 days...."
I think you mean 2 weeks. Minimum.
Depends on how much notice the Uk's intel systems give in advance, and what the carriers are up to at the time. You can't really do surprise attacks these days with spy sats above and subs below. With the UK's strength in intel assets, plus 5 eyes, it's likely they would have plenty of notice.
@@godalmighty83
I wondered that.
Also drones and MANPADs.
And a spy armed with a Mk1 eyeball and a sat phone. I always find it amusing that there's an assumption that the Argentine military WANTS to fight for the FI. Loyalty is a funny thing and it's *very* rare for one democracy to declare war on another.
(I know that's well outside the scope of this sim.)
Very risky to play these games against a Nuclear power.....they can't knockout an aircraft carrier as that may mean getting nuked.
Hi what is this game called and do you need a good p.c to play it.
I wonder how many, if any, empty external fuel tanks from aircraft are lttered throughout the oceans. lol
great video
Grim Reapers - putting the pyrrhic into victory