Somehow in a 42-minute video, I still failed to explain myself. I want you to vote in BOTH polls. And if you can't find the polls, they're in the little white circle with the "i" in it at the top of the screen.
This comment section is gonna be a slaughter party. About the movie, I'd give it a 6.5/10. Had some pretty great scenes but soooooo many missed opportunities and stupid moments.
Thanks for posting about the "i" link- wouldn't have found them otherwise. No sarcasm- couldn't find the links in description and no annotation so i was confused.
Regarding Phasma, I wish they had kept in the deleted scene of how she loses that fight rather than what they went with. In a deleted scene, Finn makes a speech about how she encourages the storm troopers to be ready to sacrifice themselves, but when he held a gun to her head she shut down Starkiller Base's shields for him. Upon hearing this, the storm troopers turn on her. I think that would have been more powerful.
@@OrbitalFlames simply for the sake of pacing. I find the scene interesting, but at the same time I think it was a good idea to remove it. Gives Finn's "Rebel Scum" -line more power than in the original cut also.
Also, it's probably unfair to block people from the channel without a warning, so just to be clear, "kys" "kill yourself" or other variations are immediate hides. Get a better insult if you must. Or you know...be decent. Up to you. I always want everyone to be able to participate in the conversation, but those are my lines.
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Everything Great About The Matrix. That’s something I’d like to see in the future. Also I’d like to see Everything Great About The Conjuring series, Clash of the Titans, Wrath of the Titans, The Chronicles of Riddick series, Reign of Fire, and Pirates of the Caribbean.
I don't know if you've done this one yet, but please do Kong: Skull Island! I'll be your best friend!... Nah just kidding, I'd still be your best friend regardless. ;)
As someone frustrated and disappointed by this movie, you've really shown me things to love about it. Pretending the Last Jedi isn't flawed would be silly but pretending there's nothing to enjoy in it would be just as misguided, and I think I needed someone to remind me of that. Not saying I totally agree with every comment made in this video but I don't feel like I have to. Seeing the perspective of someone who enjoys it is enough to make me see the movie in a new light, at least for a while.
That's what frustrates me the most about this movie though. It's like they almost did something interesting but then took it all back in the third Act of this movie.
I really dislike this movie primarily for the Casino planet bit, forced & inconsistent themes, and the whole lightspeed tracking thing, but there is some greatness in the movie without a doubt. I love the story between Rey and Kylo, and the twist that she comes from nothing I think is remarkably good, I haven't seen anyone dislike it but I'm sure there's some haters as always.
@@edentyler-moss1157 Yet her coming from nothing keeps her a Mary Sue since she has all this power with no effort or powerful family to give some creedence to her.
He wasn't even ON the battlefield. He force projects himself to fake fight Kylo and then ends up dying anyways. So, WHY did they not just have him ACTUALLY fight Kylo?
Mark Hamill later did come around on it. The reason he disliked it was because he didn't understand what the point of his character was, but when he finally saw the finished product, he approved of it.
You know what I like about your formula? If this was a straight inversion of Cinema Sins, this video would have ended at 22:23. Instead, you kept going and you explained your feelings on the film in extraordinary detail and nuance. You made a genuine critique on the subject instead of just cherry picking good details, and you do that for all the movies you cover. It's that far more honest and stimulating dive into these movies that marks you as being head and shoulders above the channel that inspired your own, and makes me wish that I'd given you a shot back when I first heard about you all those years ago. Thanks for being a genuine person, and not just a video factory. And also thanks for being positive in a community of creators that spent far too much time obsessed with negativity. You're the best, man. Keep it up.
This is actually why I love his videos so much. I look forward to new ones every week. It's so rare to people simply talking about what they love and why. It's wonderful to see.
I love this channel and simply cannot stand Cinemasins. A RUclips channel dedicated to a willful lack of nuance and negativity about movies? No thanks, hard pass.
I think this channel is brilliant. I love watching the videos because it's like re watching all the best parts of great movies. But, the videos aren't the only great thing. Just looking at the comments it seems like it really brings out the best in people. The dissenting or just all of the comments in general are very respectful and well thought out. Congrats CinemaWins you brought together a wonderful community.
I have to agree. I hate this movie, but to not accept that there are those who like it would only serve the rambling incoherent side of the internet. JJ has to deal with this just as much as we do. Lets all hope he makes something good come from this trilogy.
18:50 actually, the film develops Finn as only aligning himself with the Resistance to stick it to the First Order, not because he believed in their cause. We can see this difference between Rose and Finn on the final bits of Canto Bight, where Finn says “it was worth it though. To make them hurt.” But Rose corrects him freeing the Fathier and saying “now it’s worth it”. It’s extremely subtle and probably should have been developed more, but Finn wasn’t in fact trying to save something he loved, he was trying to destroy something he hated
True. But that is why Rose is the positive spectrum for Finn's character(opposed to the negative DJ), and after Rose saves him and tells him about saving what he loves(carrying her back inside, covering her in the falcon;It's subtle like you said),that's when he gets it
You have a point, but I still think he should've died there. Like Shaffrilas says, he doesn't do a whole lot in RoS. Maybe would've been cool to see him and Rose have some conflict over that throughout the movie, only for Finn to save what he loves by fighting what he hates. Plus, the little speeder that's melting and falling apart taking down the huge cannon by messing up one little component would've been cool. The whole movie has a bit of a side theme of little things having a huge impact. One Jedi facing down the whole First Order, the one bomber taking down the dreadnaught, "They're not scanning for smaller ships", a small team infiltrating the massive ship that I forgot the name of so they could sabotage it, and of course the small spark that lights the fire to burn the First Order.
Everyone quoting "I’m glad Rey’s not a Skywalker or a Kenobi or a Jinn” No one else quoting: "And even if JJ does decide to give Rey a 'proper' bloodline it doesn't change the fact that she grew up with no one and nothing except herself."
Another reason why I personally like this movie more then TROS. Whether he knew it or not, Rian chose the better, and most logical option here. Think about it for a sec: If she's actually Luke's child or Leia's, that would mean one of them abandoned their daughter, with no trustworthy eyes(at least in ROTS, they gave Luke to his aunt and uncle,w/ Obi-Wan as a guardian,and Leia w/ Bail Organa). Even if you say that they(Luke & Leia) did it to protect Rey, she could've just stayed on Luke's island in this movie. At least here she has someone watching over her who WON'T sell her out in a heartbeat. Her being a Palpatine sounds cool in theory, but it requires an ungodly amount of coincidences and leaps in logic in order to make sense. And seriously, when would he have done this? Why? And who's the grand-mom? Is there a grand-mom? I'm sure there's some book or several in old canon that might house answers(if there isn't, someone will write a book on it), but maybe that's not always a good idea. Her being a Kenobi is actually a good option, but it requires more unnecessary hula-hooping, and doesn't change a thing about Rey or Obi-Wan. It doesn't add any new dimensions to either of them. Rian's answer requires the least amount of leaps in logic and it closes the loop completely. Maybe not the most satisfying answer, but at least I buy it. I don't buy JJ's answer. Maybe I will as time goes by, but I'm willing to bet that won't be the case.
@@CrimsonCharan Yea I feel you need to made up context to make these new movies make sense. Like when cinema win said fin didn't know he couldn't destroy that battle ram with his pod(I did not see or hear that in the movie). The resurrection of Palpatine. They wasted this movie on a boring chase and a B plot that added nothing to the trilogy. Its lack of info makes the third movie feel like watching a different trilogy just dumping all the problems out of smilingly thin air. How did Palpatine get all those ships and people to the Sith planet. Where did Palpatine escape from the Death Star he literally explodes in the Death Star then the Death Star explodes. Or that the Jedi can heal why didn't that exist when Anakin needed to save Padme.
"Don't limit the Force!" Well, as Vader himself pointed out: "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force." Also, in the old Expanded Universe, Obi-Wan Kenobi was very weak in the Force. Many on the Jedi Council believed he'd never make it as a Jedi. So Kenobi kept trying, training and practicing, becoming one of the greatest Jedi of all time and THE greatest defensive lightsaber duelist ever. Kenobi started as a nobody.
Thats whats wrong with this trilogy IMO. Nobody has ever been seen being a tenth as powerful as Rey before being trained, or at least practicing using the force. Luke, before training, could only let the force control his actions, ex. blocking the lasers on the falcon, and shooting the proton torpedoes. Then after a while of him being in the rebellion, where it is believable that he trained, he was barely able to pull his lightsaber from the ice in Empire Strikes Back. After training with yoda for what people can only guess how long, he was able to lift a few boulders with no pressure, and force choke people. All feats that vader does with no effort, so its believable he can too. Rey was able to tie with Kylo in pulling Anakin's lightsaber in the throne room, she cracked the ground where she was standing without trying to, and in TFA, right after finding out about the force, she was able to read Kylo's mind. Kenobi, Anakin, Luke, and Ezra / Kanan (if you watch Rebels), had to train to become stronger.
@@boggless2771 However, remember that one scene in Force Awakens where Kylo and Rey were both pulling on Anakin's lightsaber to get it out of the snow? They were both struggling like hell, yet were also pulling from an angle where neither of them would actually hinder the other (the lightsaber flies past Kylo towards Rey), implying Rey and Kylo TOGETHER struggled with pulling a lightsaber out of the snow, whereas a semi-trained, barely-conscious Luke had less trouble on his own. Also, for an example of a character being as powerful as Rey, I suggest you look up the character known as Vaylin. Without actual training, she was able to effortlessly crush the armor of her father's guards and shatter a wooden training dummy. Vaylin, before her training, was more powerul than most fully-trained Jedi at the time. The Eternal Empire Valkorion (actually the Sith Emperor Vitiate) had to perform rituals to lock away a large amount of Vaylin's power because he feared it. So, Rey isn't all that unbelievable if you keep Vaylin in mind.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker i think Ive seen a clip of her crushing everything, but that stuff isnt canon anymore right? It looks awesome, but I dont like it as a character. Good characters have to go through some struggle to grow. Kylo looked super confused in that scene, I think he wasnt force pulling. Rey was for sure.
@@boggless2771 It's debatable, as the Old Republic hasn't done anything that contradicts the movies, and it has been confirmed that Revan is canon. Regardless, it's still an example of a character being born with incredible power. Compared to Vaylin, Rey is nothing. Rey struggled with a simple mind trick and pulling a Lightsaber out of the snow (very simply Force skills from what we've seen), and that was when she first discovered she even had Force powers. Sure, Rey seemed extremely powerful out of the blue, but it might just be a case of Kylo not being nearly as strong as we were led to believe. In the case of Anakin's lightsaber breaking, remember that each lightsaber is powered by a Kyber Crystal, which are naturally attuned to the Light Side. For all we know, Kylo's pull was stronger, but the lightsaber "wanted" to go to Rey due to her use of the Light Side. Even Rey's fighting skills aren't that questionable, as she has a lot of skill when it comes to fighting with a staff from her history on Jakku (come on, a fairly attractive human female on a desert planet with mostly ugly alien guys? It's either become everyone's bitch or fight to protect yourself). And in her only "real" fight against Kylo, Kylo himself was injured from a Bowcaster shot, which sent regular people flying from the sheer power behind the shot. She hasn't really done anything that can't be explained with a little knowledge of stories beyond the movies.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker Kylo is absolutely supposed to be strong. He freezes a blaster bolt midair. Vader could neutralize with his hand (ESB), but I've never seen anyone freeze a blaster bolt. Thats meant to show his strength. Ive seen all the (edit: still canon) shows, but havent read any material, nor have I seen the old republic stuff, outside of some clips (the eternal twins and the male dathomirian (maul's race) jedi and his padawan). Nothing I have seen in it breaks the lore, but it takes the power up to 11. Yoda struggled to lift the x-wing in ESM and lifted that tower thing in AotC. That girl completely blows that out of the water. And knowing that there's no training makes me dislike it even more. I'm fine with rey being able to use a lightsaber, but she still shouldn't hold a candle to a trained sith lord, though TLJ kinda poops on his lightsaber skills.
Hearing you say "I'm glad she's a nobody, anyone can be a Jedi and make a difference again" broke my heart knowing what I know 4 years after this video was made :(
@@HioshimaFried The beauty of Rey was that she was a breakaway from the antiquated Skywalker saga. And as of this film, thats what Rian Johnson communicated. In the next film JJ Abrams fucked it all up harder than he's ever done and crammed what I can only describe as his fanfiction into the Star Wars story. Rey was randomly assigned to the Palpatine lineage, the emperor randomly returned, and Kylo Ren is not only redeemed but also kisses Ray before dying...it was all a mess.
@@YodaSama0Rise of Skywalker is objectively worse than this one, but the character assassination and damage done to the Star Wars universe in this really pissed me off. I didn't get angry with RoS, I just rolled my eyes through most of it.
@@CabezasDePescado you can't assume the characters have all the information and facts you do...you need to have some understanding that they are working with significantly less information and without the connection you have. It's real life.
Yes! Also it needs to be repeated, somebody doing something you wouldn't do isn't a writing flaw, it's characterization! Well, usually. Sometimes characters do in fact do things that are inexplicibly foolish and out of character but most of the time a character makes a bad choice it's an extension of their characterization rather than an oversight of the writer. For example, Palpatine's trap for the rebellion in RTJ is just plain awful. It's terrible. It's supposed to be, though. Palpatine is a sadist and revels in inflicting misery. While the Empire's awful plan at the Battle of Endor doesn't meet it's goals within the view of a military strategist it does meet it's goals within the view of inflicting misery upon the rebels. If you wipe them out too quickly and efficienctly there's no long struggle filled with dread and that's what Palpatine wanted. Character's make inefficient decisions because *they aren't robots, they're characters.*
In fairness the same can be said for Po from his and I’d wager most of the rebellion saw their fleet being slowly decimated and all they received as an explanation is trust me I know what I’m doing when all evidence to that point suggested that wasn’t the case. Trust and following orders only goes so far.
In the words of Poe before he went full on commando in The Last Jedi: "At least tell us you have some kind of plan, give us something to give us hope." There's no need for us to use an omniscient perspective to ridicule this movie, because it's laid out in front of the characters. CinemaWins tells us that Poe could be untrustworthy to Holdo, but why would he? He helped destroy StarKiller Base, he's done countless missions, and (according to the first of the trilogy) is at least on familiar terms with Leia. There are many good things about this movie, and some good subversions that I like. I love the cinematography and the CGI. This movie is a marvel and I'm probably going to watch it a third time right before the last movie. But frankly, I just don't like the plot of this movie by itself. I'm going to need the last of the trilogy to complete this thing, because right now it seems... incomprehensible with the rest of the series that's behind it.
Fighting a rare, aggressive cancer. I’ve enjoyed all of the Cinema Wins but this one struck home. Good words about failure and losing hope and then finding it again. Star Wars is about hope. The story may not go the way we fan boys (and girls) want, but it has always been about finding balance and hope. Thank you Cinema Wins Guy for pointing that out.
"failure and losing hope", hmm That is the exact thing many of the fans think this movie is as a whole/feel about its impact on the franchise. "finding balance and rediscovering the hope" is what those fans should do. Perhaps with the help of videos like this one. weirdly genius.
gracecase316 Good luck with all the treatment, you’ll kick cancers ass. And like you said, don’t loose hope, even when things seem the worst they can get. That’s when you need it the most :D
Great video, as aways! My main takeaway from this video and this movie I bring from my own experience watching it on premiere night. Before the internet, before the plot exhaustive analysis. My theater went wild with pretty much every scene that was meant to be taken that way, people roar'd with the Holdo Maneuver and went absolutely nuts when Luke turned out to be a projection. What I believe Rian made right was to give us a incredible experience watching it (specially on theaters), regardless of plot holes/inconsistencies with the lore. It was a great movie and I will never not praise Rian guts to pull it off.
It also makes "loss" MEANINGLESS ... so there is no more reason to cry ... and no more reason to rejoice ... because everything turns into "whatever" or "stuff happens". You NEED some stakes and bad things happening to have any drama ... but if "you arent really gone" it doesnt matter if people die. This is why such a way of arguing is stupid. The universe is unfair and tough shit happens ... and the big question is how we deal with it. THAT is the challenge of life and having a "pony farm life" where nothing truly bad happens is going to be a boring and meaningless life.
@@Muck006 it's an interesting point that you make, and I actually agree with you, you need heavy stuff to happen in order to have meaning, but in this particular scene i do not think it was meant to undone all of the pain and grieve that Leia was feeling, but to lighten it. Because loosing someone will always be painful, no matter what,(ofc if they literally come back that's a whole other story, but that's not the case here). However we do leave things behind, maybe it's a small object, a phrase, a one of a kind smile etc. These things can remind us of the person we've lost and they ways they had an impact on our lives and how they'd changed it. And in that sense they will be with us "forever" and this is how "No one’s ever really gone.” But that doesn't mean we don't have to deal with the loss of that person. At least that's my take of the matter. I also think this sentence could be interpreted in two more ways: 1, This is how Luke thanks Leia for looking for him all that time and believing that he will return. 2, Encouraging her to keep believing Kylo is not gone forever (just like Vader)
@Taegen Doscher it does seem that way, but it fits in perfectly with lukes arc, he hasn't given up on the resistance, the jedi or even kylo ren. Hell the power he channels at the end of the film is so massive that its absolutely clear, if he wanted to kill kylo ren, he could have at any point. Instead he believes that his nephew can be redeemed, just that (unlike with vader) he himself can't do it.
In a way it's got four sides to it. Vader's words to Luke at the end of EP VI were those, Luke now is fighting again, Kylo can still turn back to Ben, and Han will always be there.
You were wrong about one thing, you did change my mind about this movie. I think I may go and watch this again. Thank you, I like your positive outlook
He definitely changed my mind as well. After watching the movie for the first time, I saw a bunch of highly critical RUclips videos about this movie, and that slowly made me despise all of the little problems in this movie to the point where I hated it. He really helped me see why this movie is still great despite it's flaws.
KiNg KЯ you’re completely right in saying that some character traits do fall short in some areas. The plot can definitely be boring and tedious. But, I do feel that I need to say that I appreciate what they did in growing Rey and Kylo’s characters, as well as Luke’s surprisingly. I feel like this movie will make a lot more sense when nine comes out. As a Star Wars movie, I think it has some of the best visual storytelling I’ve seen. Though I’m not a huge fan of the characters, like you said, I do really love this movie still.
@@Glaaki13 Exactly. I unsubbed from Cinemasins a while ago because I just found that shitting on movies, even ones I didn't like, just made me angry and nobody needs that kind of negativity in their lives. I stay subbed to Cinemawins on the other hand because even if I'm not the biggest fan of the movie he'll still find things for me to appreciate in it and that makes me happy. And man we all need more happiness and positivity in the world.
I often come back to this video to see this man's positivity on this film and I love it. He explains everything I like in the way I would and even better. I really like this film. Thank you for making this video
I don't dislike it any less then before I watched this, I still dislike it but not to an extreme extent my only real dislike is the lack of set up for a IX and poor characters. The other stuff actual events in the film and such don't bother me.
@@JambleBramble Really? Because there's barely anything they set up that wasn't immediate resolved or dropped during the movie. Apart from the relationship between Rey and Kylie, what other possible story beats would they need two more episodes to conclude? TLJ ended like it was the last episode of the trilogy, not the second.
+CoolNameGuy I'm curious what is set up to lead into IX even in this video he states there is a clean slate, in what way is a clean slate a good thing heading into a final act of a story. If the slate is clean it would be like beating the white walkers and ending the game of thrones before the final book/episode etc...
I’m just so relieved you made this video. You were candid and you weren’t just defending a movie you were addressing it’s impact. You made it just the right amount of personal. You should be so proud of this video regardless of the like:dislike ratio is or what the comments say
@@NabberDog Well that happends if you manage to respectfully convey your oppinions and dont preach or call others names. Suddenly everyone acts kind of nice.
nikgrid the last thing we saw like do with a lightsaber in a main series film was throw it away. That’s what he does with the saber when he spares Vader and lets go of his anger. I thought that was a callback tot hat as well as being a gag.
Matias Navarrete-Lamas while ROTJ and TLJ did the toss for different reasons, regardless I still like it like this. Mainly because it’s left up for interpretation. You can just see it as a gag, or you can just see it as how Luke shows his disdain towards the Jedi ways which is understandable.
I don't understand how Luke's force illusion worked on a droid. I know it's all unexplainable and has a mystic element to it, but how is a force that is based on mitochlorians (living organism that compose the force) supposed to affect a droid like C-3PO to create a force illusion?
@@VAOdin Assuming that Luke is manipulating the space where the illusion appears (rather than just the people who see it), then it's not that hard to believe that the image of Luke would be visible even to a droid.
@@VAOdin It would have form in the sense that the light would be manipulated so as to create the illusion of a person. That doesn't necessarily mean that you could physically touch the illusion. Also, I wouldn't put that much thought into this. It's the Force. It does whatever the writers say it does.
I want to say this as someone who has been a star wars fan for as long as I remember and someone who hated the new films,... Thank you,.... Thank you for helping me to see these films in a different light. Thank you for allowing me to see these films every year and loving them. It is no empire, but I no longer feel like denying this triology.
I'm similar to you in a few respects, I definitely don't like these movies but these takes have helped me to at least understand other viewpoints on these films and for that I'm grateful. I just can't get past the disrespect Disney had for the fan-base by throwing three movies at us with no story planned out and hammered down (and at least 2 instances of bad storytelling in the process). I no longer trust anything that they put out unless someone like Favreau or Filoni is associated with it and that's just because they actually respect the fan-base and the underlying material. With that said, I'm happy for you that you can enjoy these movies- I'll never reach that point outside of a few scenes, but if these can make someone happy and draw new fans in to the better films then at least they are doing some good.
@@AthenianOwl237 I don't take the Sequel Trilogy as canon and never will (despite what nay-sayers declare, the ST is not the Prequels--fans universally disliked certain aspects of the PT but accepted the overall story and world-building just fine--I know, I was on the forums when the PT came out). I can't forgive Disney for treating fans like we're idiots, by thinking that--just because you have a female protagonist that female fans will flock to your trilogy, despite not giving her a proper story arc or even naming her until the day of filming (as a female fan, I find this highly patronizing) and then treating the male fans like idiots by assuming they will just "buy product" because there's a SW label slapped on it. But I like your kindness and positive outlook on things, and maybe will can all come together to watch the Kenobi series. :)
@@rienjen Right there with you. If there's one thing that makes this channel a godsend, it's that it provides another forum where people are encouraged to be respectful and positive. I am STOKED for Kenobi, Mando season 3, and Narcos: Tatooine (Book of Boba). I will HAPPILY join anyone in enjoying star wars content lol.
Can I just say how much I love this channel? I wasn't a TLJ mega-fan and truly, it's my least favorite of the new trilogy. But even so, I love what this channel represents. On the internet especially, there's so much negativity and this channel is literally about things you liked in a given movie. CinemaWins Narrator, whomever you are-thanks for this. It's nice to see positivity about stuff.
Ya exactly the fact that we all can respect each other’s opinions is great, if someone likes the sequels then that’s amazing, if someone likes the prequels, then that’s great, if someone hates the phantom menace and attack of the clones and the last Jedi, but loves all other films again, that’s great, we all have different opinions, and we need to respect them.
I think the fact that his channel has almost two million subscribers at this point is quite telling, negativity isn't the only thing that can grab attention.
When I watched it in the theater I was entertained despite it's flaws. After watching a lot of youtube critiques I began to hate it. After watching your video I am again excited for the next one. Thanks for that.
Agreed. I still enjoyed the movie. After listening to the critics, I was just sad it wasn't liked by so many people. But CinemaWins always seems to light my day. Thanks, man! 😁
You are such a good kind hearted person and I know this came out years ago, but watching your videos is one of the best things ever the way you voice, your opinion is amazing
42 minute video. Win. Nearly 1,000,000 subscribers. Win. Open-minded critique of a conflicted film. Win. Next weeks video is Return of The King... ... F***ing win.
Man, this movie is such a mixed bag for me. The stuff it does well, it does WELL, but there are so many low points that take me out of it. Ultimately I like it more than I dislike it, but I see why some people didn't.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 nah not at all. The prequels are way better not only as movies but also what they contribute to the Star Wars franchise and story
@@knm4186 not really, they aren’t bad, but they have only elevated in status because the kids are ho grew up with them are adults now and are not afraid to say they like them.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 the things the prequels did was actually world build and not trample Over the original trilogy. And hey the story makes sense. Unlike the last jedi which completely derailed the entire sequel trilogy, hence why it's the worst star wars movie by a long shot. Boring visuals, pointless b plot, ruining any interesting characters the force awakens introduced and terrible dialog. Rian Johnson is a complete dumbass.
Not really brave... I mean I'm more happy with how long took on the video. But he might get alot of hate comments, and honestly u see just as many on videos criticising the last jedi, people seem to think that isn't the case. But on his channel, he's used to hate comments
@@flightlesslord2688 I watched with curiosity on what points he'd bring up, but he still didn't sway me. I tried so hard to like this movie, but by the end of it... I just felt like Star Wars had died. I certainly don't want to trash anyone who likes the movie. To each their own. I do love that he decided to tackle this movie. I like to come and see what he has to say about movies I both love and dislike. I always appreciate the perspective.
@@vegetaprinceofallsuperchat7870 yeh fairs. But dude, star wars is far from dead. One dud in a great pile of new canon, there's rebels and the new clone wars and all the books and comics and the Mandalorian, solo was great (at least I thought so, and it was so dumb for fans to boycott it because of last jedi) and we at some point will get other stand alones which are pursponed because of boycotting... yay. So even if ur disenfranchised with the new trilogy, theres still other stuff.
@impetuousace He is referring to the backlash of haters. But hey, its a public forum. No matter what someone says, there will be haters. Some subjects are just more popular than others for hating on, such as this movie.
Liking things is more fun than not. That tagline is the reason why me and my circle of friends subscribed and continue to watch (repeatedly) your pieces. The homie L described you as the RUclipsr version of Quentin Tarantino, in that you love cinema. You love it so much that you find all the beautiful aspects of it. And in return, we love and respect you for it. Thanks for this channel.
toti you just worded my feelings for his channel in that one comment. I’ve had these videos in my recommended for years but always thought it was satire like a lot of the others. Literally found the channel last night and am pretty obsessed. It’s like he gets my thought processes with movies I love, and shows new positive perspectives to movies I didn’t really like. definitely a fan after 24 hours lmao
30:29 2 years later Luke got his own hallway scene and it is equally as badass. Granted it was robots so it's not like he walked through slaughtering Imperial troopers.
It was fan service and it felt like another direct response to TLJ haters. It's also a massive Deus ex Machina ending so while being visually cool is kind of lame writing.
That one Praetorian guard who split his weapon into two dagger is exactly that kind of man. He then drops it so he doesn't land a killing blow in Rey even when she was powerless to stop the attack.
23:38 -- "What you're not allowed to do is attack other humans over a dumb movie." Understanding of this simple concept applies to damn near everything people bicker over on social media.
I'd say its a product of the times. We have the literal president of the united states calling people who he doesn't like 'sad' or 'failing' every day on social media.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 Why do we hold him in a higher regard than everyone else? If don't admonish the people that are calling him awful things, then why are we admonishing him for responding? I guarantee you he has not gone down to anywhere near the levels of some of the people talking about him.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 Do you think he is getting that money at this point? And do you think that the people who hate his work are going to pay for it if he says nice things to them? He's done his job, and (unless disney has told him otherwise in their contract) he is under no obligation to say one thing vs another. And the fact that you are upset at how he acts but not at the people insulting him every day is just hypocrisy.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 I've seen the comments. They are definitely worse than anything he is saying back. Until I see him making repeated death threats, he has yet to be as bad as they are. Granted, he should also handle it better, but what he is getting is so much worse than what he is doing.
Ugh, I don't know why that scene gets so much flack....you don't really think Luke's going to drink seawater the whole time, do you? He has to get his essential vitamins somewhere....
I’ll be honest I came into this with a pure hatred of this film. But you have given amazing perspectives on films before; and helped me be less cynical towards movies. I honestly didn’t think you’d sway the arguments I had against this film. But you did, your ideas were interesting and they were all very well thought out. Now I’m not saying I love this movie now. But I have a new found respect for it at least. So, from one movie buff to another, thank you for helping me find joy in movies that I hadn’t had, since I was a kid seeing LOTR for the first time.
You can hate the movie. It's art, it's working more or less. But staying a critic and curious is excellent, because this movie has a lot of strong points, some very objective (quality of acting, decor, special effects, music, etc.). The rest, especially the story, has some weak points. But to consider it with distance or curiosity is something great. Hey, I find "the most excellent film ever" (Citizen Kane), but I have my opinion and I can talk about it, without being too personal. This is a positive attitude, so be proud of it ! ^^
totally agree with you, at first i hated the film, don't get me wrong i loved some things about it. like the throne room scene and a few others. but it was nice to see a video displaying another view point of why they liked the movie instead of hated it, i agree about having a new view point on it after watching this video
As time has gone on, I’ve come more around to this film as probably being the best of the sequel trilogy. It takes actual risks, and wasn’t just a copy. It has actual character behind it. Honestly, the biggest issues with this film probably come from its nature as a sequel to its prior, which just left so many unanswered questions.
I wish he didn't give into the milk thing. The fact people find it gross that a farmer drinks milk is one of the silliest reasons I have heard for someone not liking a movie.
Mr Wins, i just wanna say. i've been waiting for this since last december, and i want to say, you not splitting this up was an AMAZING decision. i don't care what happens after this. i just want you to know that im behind you, no matter what film you do. that is all.
So I just finished binge-watching your takes on all the StarWars movies and I only have one thing to say: Thank you. I found a new appreciation for them unlike I have had before. Even for TLJ which prior to this video I hadn't thought possible. But the way you point out the BIGGER picture of StarWars the motivations and visions behind itself and its characters it just all makes sense. I had never seen Luke the way you pointed out up until now and in light of that I agree that the Luke you see in TLJ makes perfect sense. Same goes for Anakin in the prequels and Hayden's portrayal of him. So yeah thank you very much!
@@MichaelM28 Why bully him for his opinion? It is no more or less valid than yours. Well, I take that back. Hatemongers have less valid opinions because they can't accept people view things differently and that those opinions are just as valid.
I’ve loved all of Star Wars. Initially I skipped this trilogy because everyone said it was bad. I finally gave it a shot and I did not regret it. Personally this is my favorite movie of the trilogy.
I did not like this movie, at ALL. However, I'm really glad you did. Not every movie is for everyone. I don't understand why everyone has to hate on each other cause they don't or do like a movie.
I agree with everything! For me, the theme for this movie literally was „the greatest teacher failure is“ which I think is awesome. They showed us that everything is gray and everyone has a light and a dark side.
Looks like you put a lot of thought into the script for this video. Despite this being a highly controversial movie, i think your review did it justice… You backed up your explanations with well thought out logical statements, despite your love for the series clearly shining through at many points. Your enthusiasm and positive attitude is a joy to watch :) Keep up the great work :) PS: I loved the movie, and still do ;)
I hate when the Last Jedi takes heat for Luke being a hermit, when that was set up by JJ in the Force Awakens. What else was Johnson suppose to do with that?
@@flynncarter229 luke expend half of his time screen in the OT complaining about thigs and surrenders in a lot of things after the first trie. He was beber perfect a big problem with him was how easy he gave up. So no. Luke Is not out of character in tlj. Also if you think people don't hete Johnson, search his name in RUclips
I have to say, as a life long movie and Star Wars fan, the scene after Snoke dies and Rey's hand comes up and grasps the floating lightsaber just as the music swells is one of the most affecting in cinema for me personally.
I agree, when snoke died and the fight started I started to really get into the movie thinking it was going to be special, I was enjoying it a lot at that point but what ruined it for me afterwards was how Rey and Kylo were about to team up and then decided not to lol. I feel like that could have been something special if Rey and kylo sided with each other, like they teamed up for like five minutes and then went back to being enemies again it. Like RJ needs to calm down he’s trying to subvert expectations way too much and it makes everything feel so wishy washy.
Everyone has their opinions but no. The new trilogy has a few good vfx scenes and thats it. The comedy is horrible they ruined luke. The ruined the EU. The main character literally has zero flaws. Finn is still a soulless character. I genuinely dont see how people enjoy these new movies. This is not a case like the original prequels. Those movies stayed true to a T with star wars lore. Only bad part was the script sometimes. Other than that every lightsaber battle, the politics. An actual character ark between not only Anakin but Obi Wan, Yoda etc. were handled wayyy better. Also the emotion actually meant stuck especially the last dialogue with Anakin and Obi wan. Seriously fuck these new movies
@@painhurtssometimes2185 dude, shut up and let us enjoy the movies, we're sick and tired of your stupid constant hate with the new movies, so shut the fuck up and let us enjoy TFA and TLJ!
@@jaimecavazos4745 Did I not say everyone has their opinion you dull penny? This is mine. If you are okay with shitty movies that ruin 40 years of lore behind it so be it. But dont tell me to shut up (even though Im typing) because I point out very obvious and big flaws with your movie. You sound like the type of guy who thinks GoT is better than lord of the rings. That is all thanks for listening to my ted talk
You are allowed to love the movie, but not hate people for hating it. You are allowed to hate the movie, but not hate people for loving it. And you are allowed to feel both ways, and not get hate from both sides.
Actually, fuck that, I wont stand while some cunts try and ruin Star Wars for all of us because they didn´t like the movie, its pretty simple to me, you don´t like it don´t go watch it again, stop trying to cancel it, Solo was fucking good and it was ruined from the get go. I hated Venom with all my guts and I won´t be ruining everyone elses cake.
@William Green, yeah, I felt the same way just an hour ago (finally watched the movie first time last night, went to CinemaSins first to commiserate), but then came here (see my comment just posted). Either you didn't actually watch this entire commentary, or... well, let's just say I want to follow the rules that CinemaWins laid out. Cheers!
Wyan exactly, just because i love the movie doesn’t mean the cantino bit wasnt a little stretched, or the milk part wasn’t weird. It’s not perfect, and it doesn’t need to be
@@adaml1463 glad you liked that part! I really liked the visual design of Crait from the moment they landed to the Resistance's escape. I hope that when Ep. IX comes out, this will feel like more of a single chapter in the saga. I liked it but I feel like the script could have used another draft. It feels like they kind of wrote themselves into a corner with this one. As of now, the only thing that the movie set up for IX was the possibility of Rey having to become a teacher of future Jedi on her own. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a time gap, just to give Leia some time to pass on in between movies. Going back to the whole Rey thing, I like how the movie questions the efficacy of the light vs. dark element of the Force, and how Rey and Kylo had a link that allowed for them to communicate and empathize with each other, bringing both of them closer to the middle. But at the end of the movie, everything goes back to the status quo. But hey, Ep IX is the finale anyway, so let's see what they do, as long as there isn't another space cannon...
Yes this exactly. I think Luke's arc was FANTASTIC for all the reason this video describes and really draws the Star Wars series in a new light, even contextualizing some of the worst aspects of the prequels. I also think the casino subplot was 90% boring filler garbage that is absolutely worth complaining about (unless ofc you're personally attacking the poor actress hired to play Rose, she doesn't deserve to be treated that way for playing a part the way it was written, no one does). Opinions on TLJ are pretty nuanced because the movie itself has more nuance than I think a lot of the Star Wars films do. It's not just black-and-white, that's the whole message of the movie, and ironically the message that members of the fanbase jumping in one direction or the other have completely missed.
Something that crossed my mind when I went back to rewatch this trilogy, is the very last shot, of the boy with the broom, and one line from the end of RoS. Because the Rebellion doesn’t need a fleet to win the war. *Just, people*
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer i think it means a fleet of just people, because when the fleet arrives in exegol it's just people, so i think that what it means correct me if im wrong
@Arcturus Longshanks XVII, King of Australia yes, they need ships. But what are important are people. Yes, there need to be large scale naval encounters. But tyranny happens where people live. In cities, towns, villages. And recruiting and inspiring those people to, well... rebel and resist is the most important thing. And with that will come ships.
There is a reaction video from a 6(I think) year old kid seeing this film and he completely gets the themes and what Rian was going for. That other people don't is basically choice at this point.
@@Plasma_Pistolier tbh the movie is full of visual story telling and subtlety that was probably simply lost on most people who didnt like the movie. some portion of the star wars fandom can be a bit ... unsophisticated... and not really on par with well crafted directorial vision
Quote from Star Wars: (Rose Tico) ''That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.'' Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate. Anger always has a reason, but love is always the answer. Build bridges not walls, spread positivity not hate, make love not war.
First I'd like to say that you are amazing, I love that you are so willing to just be you, most people on RUclips like to create some charecter but Your show just feels like I'm talking about a movie with a friend, never stop. (Also I was rewatching a few old EGAs and noticed you haven't done Avatar? I would love to hear your opinions on the film!)
Does the highest grossing film ever really require a defense? People dislike it now because it is the highest grossing movie ever, and just grasp at whatever they can to feel superior.
Mike Duncan Lee once said that he specifically DIDN’T name this channel “In Defense of Bad Movies,” because he didn’t want to limit himself to... bad movies.
@@logansmith7517 No, but from what I have seen from his videos, it is about trying to celebrate the best and champion the worst. To try to either get people to give a movie a chance that they wouldn't have bothered to watch, or to show them what exactly it is that makes a great movie great. With Avatar... I don't know, I really see anyone calling it their favorite movie, it was the right tech, in the right ways, at the right time, and it was a phenomenon, but tech moves ever onward, and what was really a pretty good film became dismissed out of hand as something which was only a gimmick. I don't think that there's a LOT to celebrate beyond the technological milestones, and none of the haters will change their mind because they want to remain counterestablishment or whatever,.
I just enjoyed the movie, I wasn't asking because it was well liked or apparently well hated to some. I also was unaware that it was one of the top grossing movies. I'm sorry for comming off like someone who needed to feel superior.
I gotta say bud, you are really good at your job. Even though I really disagree with some of the points you've made (big ones being holdo, snoke, Luke), I can seriously appreciate how responsibly you take your role as reviewer. It doesn't go unnoticed how much care you put keeping your points clear and calm amongst such an angry debate. There is a blaring problem with the controversy around this movie; everybody hates on others with differing opinions no matter what they are or how valid they may be. This goes for both sides of the spectrum. Yes, there are some problems with the movie that I for one couldn't really push aside. But I can also enjoy some of the beautiful moments this movie presents us with. It's honestly a shame how some "true fans" can possibly label one opinion about a damn star wars movie as wrong or right, considering the entire point of the series was that there is no black and white, only gray. I hope this video doesn't become a target of arguements for anyone, there is just too much to love. I really hope you see this CinemaWins, you deserve a pat on the back for being such a peacekeeper. May the force be with you, you sexy motherfucker
I don't think the narrative is on hating others opinion from most of the people who love the movie. It is more about trying to make you see the movie we see and honestly the sadness you get stuck on small nitpicks that don't matter and anger at those that make it their lives goal to make someone feel stupid for liking or having worked on something. That is gross. Not liking a good movie is just sad and I wish you could try to give it a chance beyond pointless debates on "flaws" that is explained in most instances and don't actually matter on all.
We should be optimists, but, this movie is sooo boring and "for now" seems to serve no purpose, like nothing happen, everybody is at the same place as at the start of the film.. just minor tweeks. Not a terrible movie, not a good movie neither. Also, I'm a little troubled by the fact that as a stand alone the movie dosn,t really works...
@@theboyharding845 Not saying it's a GOOD movie. But not as bad as some make it out to be, and certainly not the "end of Star Wars". I can still enjoy it for those bits that entertain me.
Yeah, each to their own. When I walked out of the cinema I said that it was the best Star Wars movie. I may not feel that strong about it anymore, but it's one hell of a good movie in my personal opinion.
@@HRCFre4k If you've never see Shaun critique them, you'll where it's less about being nitpicky and simply not paying attention to the movie in order to insert a joke about some arbitrary even that doesn't work and ignores how the movie is telling it's story altogether. It's quite embarrassing....
@@heavysystemsinc. sounds like a better explaination. I watches them while they were fresh and I kinda liked it. A while ago I wanted to check them out again and they seemed nitpicky, but what you say sounds closer to what they really do. Ah well, if they want to do so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love how you break this movie down and address all the issues people have with it and make valid points why the issues can be ridiculous. Thank you for this.
Ironically though it's supper positive videos like this that make me sad. He makes sound and valid arguments, and on paper this is a good movie that I should like. But for whatever reason I just don't.
@@ghosttoast4045 well I don’t think it’s that. I’ve been watching all the Star Wars movies for the first time this summer, and right now I can say I’m thoroughly obsessed. I loved the prequels despite the fact that a lot of people seem to hate them, in fact I think I actually liked the prequels more than the originals.
@@noahdrucker3076 I'm pretty sure a lot more people like it now because it adds to the lore and history of Star Wars and other facts but yeah, also that has nothing to do with TLJ
“Liking things is more fun than not” And I immediately liked this video xD I started watching you like 5 hours ago because of Star Wars, and I love seeing someone who just loves movies (especially Star Wars movies) as much as I do :) you’re awesome, can’t wait for your episode 9 video, and keep on being that positive person that’ll restore hope to RUclips :P
@Joshua Lambert No lol that's not at all what I was saying xD I'm saying that, like the creator of this video, I personally enjoy a lot of things despite their flaws (that many people can't get past) as long as I find it entertaining. I absolutely respect your right to dislike something that's awful! But there's a bit of a culture that has arisen these days of intensely hating things for their flaws and attacking people who like them (I'm sure you see it a lot in the star wars fandom). Saying that liking things is more fun than not isn't an attack on people that don't like things xD it just means that we personally prefer to be entertained by movies in our favorite series, even if they have frustrating flaws. It's not about what you have to do, it's just about what you personally want to enjoy. There were a lot of bad things in the prequels, but it's a lot more fun (again, this is me personally, not everyone) to just enjoy the good parts rather than focusing on the bad (or just disowning the entire trilogy), especially since it can be devastating to feel like your favorite series of all time has been ruined by a new movie. If you're bothered by a movie's flaws, you absolutely have every right to dislike it! That's totally fine. It's just a personal preference for actively choosing to enjoy something that is potentially very flawed, which of course isn't a choice that everyone will like. Hope that makes more sense :)
@Joshua Lambert the movie isn't terrible , it's a bad star wars movie but a decent movie, don't claim you're a movie director because of your fanboy reasons this movie isn't close to terrible but of course fanboys love hating the sequel trilogy and it's fine to enjoy a movie because believe or not people have opinions, I'm glad i watched this movie with an open mind without claiming the plot and the characters suck because someone said that on the internet, but i know i will never convince so let's just agree to disagree with that stupid argument of yours
@Joshua Lambert oh okay i thought you were saying it's objectively a bad film and what i meant that I'm not gonna convince you is that everyone and including me (most of the times) won't change their opinion over a comment, it's fine that you dislike the sequel trilogy but my message is don't blame the people who do because we don't have to enjoy the exact same movies and it's better to enjoy something than hating on it but of course we need to admit the thing is very flawed, have a good life :)
People who complain that Rey didn't come from a "Jedi bloodline" forget that in the Republic-Era, there were no "Jedi bloodlines". Every Jedi took a vow of celibacy, meaning their Force potential ended (from a biological standpoint) with them. Every Jedi in the Order was effectively a Muggle-born, and some of them almost certainly came from "nobodies".
This comment is severely underrated. The mere fact that Anakin and Padme's romance in the prequels, the MAIN CONFLICT OF THAT TRILOGY, was forbidden by the Jedi is my go-to response to any "criticism" of Rey not being descended of a previous Jedi protagonist.
No one cares about the Jedi bloodline, the problem she’s nobody yet she’s seems stronger than anakin (a child literally created by the force) ever was. Anakin trained for years and he still was no match against dooku the first time they fought. Luke trained for a year or 2 and he still was no match for Vader the first time they fought. Yet here comes Rey beating a dark side user trained both by Luke and snoke, the first time she even held a lightsaber. Not to mention Kylo was in sith berserker mode going as far to hit his wound to draw more power from the dark side. She’s a Mary Sue plain and simple.
@@ericscar97 1) kylo was just shot by a bowcaster and 2) you assume kylo was trying to beat Rey Luke jumped around with yoda on his back for like 2 days and then fought Vader to a standstill in ESB Anakin's main skill set was a pilot...not hand to hand combat.
@@calbear1568 2 days? Did you even watch the movie? and he did more than that, Yoda taught him skills and the way with the force, he failed time and time again, eventually gave up, but after much training he finally became great. Rey used the force, and did a bunch of crap from self teaching. She's just a terrible Mary Sue - objectively - she is the definition of a Mary Sue through and through and using "the force" or other things to explain it away just doesn't cut it. If it did the movie wouldn't need multiple books to back it up. Not even to mention how they utterly destroyed Luke's character and how not telling your best leader your plan doesn't make a lick of sense. The movie has so many holes, oversights, and just all around crap directing by a guy who's just trying to impress the CEO of Disney with "wamen power". Sure it looked good, but the story and universe is utter crap. and Anikin's skill set was not hand-to-hand combat? Well firstly he was a protege pilot, but he trained in combat from such an early age it shouldn't really matter, you can be good at something naturally and train to do something else just as good. Also, if he didn't need to train he'd have beaten him with force alone being one of the most powerful in it. If good Jedi didn't need training then Luke, Anakin, Yoda, Obi Wan, and even the freaking Emperor wouldn't have needed masters - but they did... every single one of the required a master to be able to, at the very least, learn to use the force. Don't get me wrong, if you like it, great. But too many people are not accepting of any criticism and a lot are also pushing out the old fans who dislike the new movies because they messed with the universe completely - even Ryan and that CEO lady said that people who don't like the movie are sexist and can't handle a female lead - which isn't true at all, if it were we'd also hate Alien & Terminator 2 among many, many other classics with strong female leads - the new fan base has just caused so much toxicity because old fans dislike the movies and they don't respect each other's opinions, and that is what is really killing this franchise - never mind it going into the paws of *The Mouse* and pushing political crap left and right as they do.
@@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582 and @SaraGamma The scene I'm referring is where Luke asks Rey: "Where's Han?" That emotional moment derserved a scene, not at cut: His best friend was killed by his apprentice, who he earlier sensed would turn to the Dark Side.
@redlox2 - Psst, Holdo does the exact same thing she scolded Poe for. Small sacrifice: Poe - a few fighters and bombers that were already deployed to delay the enemy fleet. Holdo - the last capitol ship that's nearly out of fuel. To delay and damage the enemy fleet. So unless we're supposed to learn, "do as you're told, not as I do" it's kind of a silly message.
Clearly she was meant for the dark-side... Like how she reached out towards it, to find the truth... Then again, that is stretching with the symbolism, not to mention, Disney wouldn't want to acknowledge the prequels.
Picky Physics Student what do you mean? They acknowledge it constantly. Most obvious example is them literally bringing Darth Maul back in Solo (yes I’m aware it happened in Clone Wars and Rebels first). Referring to the Emperor’s Sith name Darth Sidious and acknowledging the shortcomings of the Jedi in the Clone Wars era leading to their downfall. In a way a lot of what we get at least in TLJ was built around the foundations set by the prequel.
That would be so cool. If we are to have a new generation of jedi warriors, might as well give them some weapon variety. We had siths using dual sabers, double-bladed sabers, cracked-crystal crossguard sabers, even dooku had an edgy bent saber. Why jedis can't have that?
In both fights with Anakins saber she at some point starts using a reverse grip which plays into the fact that a reverse grip works a bit like a staff would in the way you swing it, so I'm so hoping she uses a saberstaff. My only issue is I can't tell if I'd be more hyped up seeing it in the trailer or being surprised in the movie itself.
Hey, if people decide to leave the community just because you did this movie then their loss. I just got 45 minutes of Lee. What more could I ask for? don't let the haters get you down man.
@Cinema Wins So, I love rewatching your videos (this is probably my fourth time on this video alone) and one of the things that occurred to me is Holdo probably also didn't tell Poe about the plan because sometimes the most demanding voice to know what is going on is the traitor, which, in a sense, he does betray them when he has the mutiny later on.
Okay, I first saw Star Wars in 1977 as a 16 year old. Luke was my hero, I idolized him even though I knew he was pretty whiny at times. Walking into the Last Jedi as a 57 year old, who has dealt with, good, bad, amazing, disappointment and just life. I found my hero again..Luke. Yes he was flawed, but so am I, yes he learned some of the wrong lessons, he screwed up and he tried to live up to the exceptions of galaxy and worse his own....and was found wanting. If he had been portrayed as a Jedi super hero legend then it would have diminished my life, but instead I found a relatable hero I still loved, who showed me how to learn from my mistakes and missteps and still find peace and purpose. I love the Last Jedi for the same reason I love Star Wars, I can see myself in the heroes, flawed as they may be.
This, this right here. I may be 20 years younger than you, but I can relate to what you've succinctly explained here. I've had difficulty putting into words the complex emotions I also felt about Luke in this movie, but you've done it. I am glad Luke wasn't relegated to a one-dimensional caricature. Even though I'm not quite 40 I've got enough years behind me that I've seen the long-term effects of my successes and my failures, and that's helped me understand where Luke is at emotionally in this movie. His actions and choices feel genuine.
So put yourself in Luke's shoes. You can kill a family member in their sleep? Pull out a gun and aim it at him because you want to prevent the evil that he might do in the future? That's if you had that type of power to see into the future. A future which is fluid and not set in stone. Visions don't always come true in Star Wars too.
My sentiments as an old Star Wars fan as well. Excellent points, sir. The hyper-radicalized fanboys don't seem to realize Star Wars was always full of plot holes, things that didn't make sense, nor was the story or character fleshed out really well. It was about the beautifully tailored stories and lessons of life, the fantasy of it all. Everything the fanboys nitpick to kingdom come with Last Jedi, can be exactly same applied to Star Wars back in '77. Who was the Emperor? Who's Darth Vader? Who was Obi Wan? No answers back then. Did that matter even one bit? I loved the LJ as well. Especially when now I'm at an age to understand how time can erode even the brightest of young talents, most noble of heroes, and greatest of ambitions. And yet, Luke still came back! Not as the mighty warrior, but in the best way he can -- as a real Jedi.
MrSundayMovies convinced me that it was okay to love the movie. You sir, took it to another level and examined it further. New subscriber, new fan. Much more than just a positive cinemasins
@Rep Ninja well firstly I don't answer to anyone online. Secondly what an argument about what's rational? Both sides have made rational arguments. It's a terrible way to live to just think anyone who agrees with you is rational and anyone who doesn't isn't.
W GU I agree. Though what baffles me about this is that he freaks out at Rey for exploring the dark side. When we’ve seen in the original trilogy that Luke dabbled in the dark side a little. It’s what he tapped into to help defeat Vader, and we see him using the dark side’s signature force choke. Though given this one could also use this point to make the argument that he wouldn’t react so severely to Kylo because he too tapped into the dark side in his life.
W GU I always understood that sentiment and it’s very plausible but the way it was applied and executed in this movie was something I could just never move past, of course Luke wouldn’t be the unstoppable god he was in Legends but what he does was just way to far out of character I feel, it’s like when Batman kills someone in a mainline story such as BvS, it invalidates and contradicts everything about the entire character.
@@KS-qc3pr okay. Fair enough. As long as you don't demonize Johnson and Shnyder as anything more than artists who created misguided interpretations of characters they most likely care about as much as you. That's all I care about at this point. I can accept that passion doesn't always pay. I'm not sure if you a #changethechannel supporter, but I love Channel Awesome's portrayal of Snyder: an eccentric, misguided DC fanboy that doesn't have a grasp on what we love about these characters. They made this hilarious video about Snyder seeing Avengers: Infinity War, and getting shocked at the Thanos winning, having an epiphany that you can be light and dark at the same time, implying that that's how the current DCEU got better.
@@KissShotAcerolaOrion actually, if you ignore her ability to learn the Force quicker than Luke, she actually has several mental and personality flaws that make her far from perfect: she can be cocky, arrogant, feisty, have abandonment issues, trust issues, and is In the middle of an identity crisis. Does that sound like a perfect, boring character? It doesn't to me.
If you like the movie, cool If you dont like the movie, cool If you're genuinely one of the people who hates it with a fiery passion and believes it needs to be stricken from canon and completely redone, and attacks actors/writers/directors... you need to do some introspection Edit for clarification: Theres a difference between 'I don't like the movie' and 'No one is allowed to like the movie'
i agree with the canon part but i dont attack actors i do suggest you look up do rian he has attack the fans namy times and name called thme he desurve all the hate he get
Here's another options. I'm this --> "If you're genuinely one of the people who hates it with a fiery passion and believes it needs to be stricken from canon"
@@KaiserMattTygore927 propaganda? People are legit trying to take a fictional movie out of fictional canon because they're triggered by it, how does that not sound stupid?
I think whole new Disney canon sucks balls and should be removed, but attacking actors and crew with death threats was never cool with me. Not when Lucas was attacked, not when Lloyd was attacked, not when Johnson was attacked, not when Kelly Marie Tran was attacked. I mean, you can say that they did a really shitty job, but do you also threaten McDonalds employees with death, because they gave you a Fillet'OFish instead of Cheeseburger?
Another note on the bombs in the first sequence: They're on rails, which I always took as a magnetic rail system to deliver them. They're not even being dropped, they're being launched.
Which begs more questions. Why launch them so slow? Why they accelerate after leaving the rails? Why not shoot them at higher speeds? Why are the ships so slow?
I actually really loved the little comedy sketch in the start for a number of meta reasons -- 1, it's some MUCH needed levity for a VERY heavy movie, without which, we wouldn't really feel the seriousness of everyone's lowest point (esp Poe's descent into despair and mutiny) 2, excellent establishing character moments for BOTH Poe and Hux -- Poe has this very 'Aladdin' type cunning, where he talks and tricks his way into advantages, BUT, it's also not without it's flaws and weaknesses, while Hux is extremely focused on things basically going his way, according to his PLANS, and anything that challenges his sense of order and hierarchy doesn't just throw him, it makes him personally angry. 3, contrasting the exact type of worldview of the Resistance and the First Order -- one being a loose chain of command, but still with individual autonomy of the people, and the other being so strict and harsh that even when the lower officer points out the obvious, it's almost like he's tiptoeing around a fear that he might get in trouble for speaking out of turn. It's all great!
40:13 YES. Luke spends most of ROTJ *really* teetering on the edge of the Dark Side, and I think a lot of people don't get that. And it's not just how he shows up wearing all black and stealing his dad's signature move. His entire plan to rescue Han seems to assume violence. His destruction of the sail barge was absolutely unnecessary, over the top, and frankly seems to echo Anakin's slaughter of the Tuskens. Everyone scoffs when Luke calls himself a Jedi, and they're right to. He is ONLY acknowledged as a Jedi at the end, when he throws his lightsaber away. In the end, Luke DID have too much of his Father in him. He had a better heart than Anakin, and had a better upbringing. He meant well. But he was always quick to turn to violence. Couple that with his tendency to "look away, to the future, never his mind on where he was" and it becomes quite believable that in a moment of weakness, a Luke bordering on panic that Ben could turn into another Vader would regress and make a dumb mistake.
This is an interesting take on Luke. +1. However, when Luke went into a rage and almost killed Vader, he was lashing out at one of the most evil people in the Galaxy (Vader stood by and allowed planetary genocide) after that person threatened his sister while his friends were being massacred (more or less) in front of his eyes. That's a far cry from "I'm going to kill my adolescent nephew in his sleep." OTOH, Kylo didn't just defeat Luke and make his escape; he immediately murdered all of Luke's other students, and he already had the "Knights of Ren" to help him do it. So maybe Luke should have actually killed Kid Hitler, lol. Still, in this interpretation, Luke was never really cut out to be a Jedi, and only barely managed to fill the role for a few moments in his life. "Leia, we should have trained." :) The "haters" are going on the interpretation that Luke completed a Campbellian Hero's Journey, faced and integrated his Shadow (in the Jungian sense), and thus should have leveled-up to Mentor (Gandalf, Dumbledore) status by this time. In the new Trilogy, the Campbellian arcs for everybody are erased (e.g. Han also reverts to his previous life as a lone-wolf smuggler with Chewie at his side, Leia's back to being a leader of a small Rebellion). And for that matter, so did the Galaxy as a whole: the Rebellion's "victory" in ROTJ comes to nothing, and the rebranded Empire is stronger than ever. This is a bit more like real life. There are no happy endings, the wheel of history just keeps turning. Instead of defeating the Nazis and living happily ever after, we went straight into the Cold War, followed by the War on Terror, and now, a global(ish) turn toward the authoritarian Right. We have Nazis marching in our streets killing people, and a President who thinks there are "good people" on their side. So yeah.
Kevin Crady you should work for CinemaWins along with Jason Blalock. 1 hour ago I was set to buy every copy of this movie I could, just to burn them all so they wouldn't be able to pollute any future young minds. Now, well, now I see the story in full. Thanks, fellas! Didn't want to live my whole life thinking Star Wars was turned into a dumpster fire!
Amazing how far people have to stretch things out to justify idiocy...destroying a barge is equivalent to mass murdering living things...god damn thats some serious stupidity.
YES! I wonder if this could also be connected to Uncle Owen's reluctance to send Luke to the academy back in A New Hope. He admits that he's afraid of Luke having too much of his father in him. I wonder how often Luke lashed out at home while he was growing up in a way that was over the top, but at the time was mistaken for teen angst by the fan base. Also remember that Luke in ROTC is about the same age as Anakin in Attack of the Clones, give or take a few months - so, they did follow the same pattern ( :O ).
@Jason Blalock Luke gave Jabba two chances to give Han up and avoid unnecessary violence. Jabba threatened him with Death both times. And I disagree that his destruction of the sail barge was on the same moral level as Anakin's Tusken slaughter. Anakin killed not only warriors, but children and caregivers who were no threat to him at all. Everyone on the sail barge (except maybe Salacious Crumb) was a threat to Luke on some level and he had enough to worry about with the empire...I would have done the same.
You're a really good guy, you know that? Seriously. You are lovely, and you do good work. Subscribing, not for the win count, but for every wise and respectful word on humanity and common decency after.
Ciaran Lawlor I think people will like the film more when they let go of their owns expectations and look at the film more for what it is and understand the point of it. That’s all made clear in this video. Prejudice and personal expectations by fans will destroy the point that a story is trying to make.
Ciaran Lawlor That’s how people should always look at movies & stories and should’ve looked at them from the very beginning back then. Whether they like it or not.
The conclusion after the wins...God, this is why I love this channel. You're one of the people in this place that actually inspire us to be better and teach us to see the good things. I can't tell how much your channel has changed my POV for the better and made me learn how to let go of hate and to not let myself be dragged by a wave of rage consuming fans that only inspired me to feel angrier and angrier with things. Thank you for existing, CinemaWins.I can't wait to see your commentary on Episode IX!
I could talk for hours about Rise of Skywalker as it's packed with story and mythology from both the new Disney canon and story elements clearly inspired from the orginal legends canon some I would say were basically directly lifted from it, it also has a lot of subtle tie backs to the prequels some pretty massive and many callbacks and homages to the OT. Rise of Skywalker left no one out it honors the entire franchise literally elements from both canons basically bringing them together and in spirit concluding both canons. It completes the image of the ST. TFA is a celebration of the OT, TLJ severes those ties while tying heavily into the ideas of the prequels and Rise of Skywalker is inspired by both EU canons, the ST represents a celebration of everything Star Wars before finally saying having us say goodbye to over 40 years of Star Wars stories. The Saga ends the story lives forever.
This is the best Star Wars film since Empire. Rian did a fantastic job with what he was left with. He didn't place Luke alone and out of the first movie. But he took it and gave me unepected just like what Empire did. IT was unexpected. Hope in time the world will see how great this film is. - Toronto, Canada.
Even though I hate this movie, there is no need to attack you. Yes, I watched the entire video Yes, I know where you come from with your arguments No, I do not agree with your opinion entirely No, I won't hate you or your content. Enjoy your day!
@@nemijs It really isn't... Mark Hamill initially didnt like the way Luke was handled but Ryan Johnson won him over eventually. This is how Movies work. Sometimes actors and directors disagree on stuff. The Problem is that any time Mark Hamill said something remotely negative about the movie these quotes were put out of context and used as "evidence" that he hates the Movie. But most of those quotes change dramatically when you read/hear the entirety of the interview and not just a tiny part of it.
@Ian L dude... he said that Ryan won him over in literally the exact same interview where his "i fundamentally disagree with everything" comment is quoted from. It is the next thing he says.
Somehow in a 42-minute video, I still failed to explain myself. I want you to vote in BOTH polls. And if you can't find the polls, they're in the little white circle with the "i" in it at the top of the screen.
Thanks so much for this video.
This comment section is gonna be a slaughter party.
About the movie, I'd give it a 6.5/10. Had some pretty great scenes but soooooo many missed opportunities and stupid moments.
"Rabid cur" could be referencing Hux being a bastard child.
That little i in the circle is not showing up for me
Thanks for posting about the "i" link- wouldn't have found them otherwise. No sarcasm- couldn't find the links in description and no annotation so i was confused.
Regarding Phasma, I wish they had kept in the deleted scene of how she loses that fight rather than what they went with. In a deleted scene, Finn makes a speech about how she encourages the storm troopers to be ready to sacrifice themselves, but when he held a gun to her head she shut down Starkiller Base's shields for him. Upon hearing this, the storm troopers turn on her. I think that would have been more powerful.
Oh my god why did that not make it in the final cut? That's a very good scene!
@@OrbitalFlames simply for the sake of pacing. I find the scene interesting, but at the same time I think it was a good idea to remove it. Gives Finn's "Rebel Scum" -line more power than in the original cut also.
Nico Bones I totally agree
Nah that seems too forced. And why should the troopers believe a rebel scum that fast.
It would’ve stopped that sequence cold.
Also, it's probably unfair to block people from the channel without a warning, so just to be clear, "kys" "kill yourself" or other variations are immediate hides. Get a better insult if you must. Or you know...be decent. Up to you. I always want everyone to be able to participate in the conversation, but those are my lines.
hey, could you please make a video on Now You See Me? I want some positivity on that movie
CinemaWins fun fact, this film is actually my 3rd favorite starwars films, and you winning it make me feel good, thanks
The Top #10 Everything Great About's I Would Love To See You Guys Do In The Near Future (1-10)!
#1. Everything Great About Forrest Gump (The 1994 Live Action Theatrical Film)
#2. Everything Great About The Rest Of The Jurassic Park Film Series- Jurassic Park, The Lost World: Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park III, And Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
#3. Everything Great About The Rest Of The Hobbit/Lord Of The Rings Trilogy- The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, The Desolation Of Smaug, The Battle Of The Five Armies, And The Lord Of The Rings: Return Of The King
#4. Everything Great About The Indiana Jones Film Series- Indiana Jones And The Raiders of The Lost Arc, Temple Of Doom, The Last Crusade, And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull
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#7. Everything Great About Cowboy Bebop: Knockin' On Heaven's Door (The 2001 Anime Theatrical Film)
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Everything Great About The Matrix. That’s something I’d like to see in the future. Also I’d like to see Everything Great About The Conjuring series, Clash of the Titans, Wrath of the Titans, The Chronicles of Riddick series, Reign of Fire, and Pirates of the Caribbean.
I don't know if you've done this one yet, but please do Kong: Skull Island! I'll be your best friend!... Nah just kidding, I'd still be your best friend regardless. ;)
As someone frustrated and disappointed by this movie, you've really shown me things to love about it. Pretending the Last Jedi isn't flawed would be silly but pretending there's nothing to enjoy in it would be just as misguided, and I think I needed someone to remind me of that.
Not saying I totally agree with every comment made in this video but I don't feel like I have to. Seeing the perspective of someone who enjoys it is enough to make me see the movie in a new light, at least for a while.
That's what frustrates me the most about this movie though. It's like they almost did something interesting but then took it all back in the third Act of this movie.
Eww ega the last jedi?
There is a lot to love, but way too much to critique.
I really dislike this movie primarily for the Casino planet bit, forced & inconsistent themes, and the whole lightspeed tracking thing, but there is some greatness in the movie without a doubt. I love the story between Rey and Kylo, and the twist that she comes from nothing I think is remarkably good, I haven't seen anyone dislike it but I'm sure there's some haters as always.
@@edentyler-moss1157 Yet her coming from nothing keeps her a Mary Sue since she has all this power with no effort or powerful family to give some creedence to her.
I'm reminded of what Cosmonaught Marcus said "I love that once Luke shows up on the battlefield,noone dies but him,THATS how a Jedi should go out
Yup
Facts
He wasn't even ON the battlefield. He force projects himself to fake fight Kylo and then ends up dying anyways. So, WHY did they not just have him ACTUALLY fight Kylo?
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer because he would have died from the first AT-AT shot, none of you have any brain whatsoever
@@user-ly2ll5od1r yeah those AT-ATs are special because they can fire Star Destroyer bolts from that big cannon up there
The fact that Mark Hamill disagreed with the writing of Luke so much, and still gave it his all is just one of the reasons why he's a legend.
Izhaan Juna no
@@izhaanjunaid9945 he could've earned the same paycheck half-assing his performance. It's called being an actor, and Mark Hamill is a great one
Mark Hamill later did come around on it. The reason he disliked it was because he didn't understand what the point of his character was, but when he finally saw the finished product, he approved of it.
@@izhaanjunaid9945 No it's called being a professional. You can earn a paycheck and still do a shit job.
@@GloomGaiGar Amen to that. The man is a true professional, something there seems to be less and less of these days.
You know what I like about your formula? If this was a straight inversion of Cinema Sins, this video would have ended at 22:23. Instead, you kept going and you explained your feelings on the film in extraordinary detail and nuance. You made a genuine critique on the subject instead of just cherry picking good details, and you do that for all the movies you cover. It's that far more honest and stimulating dive into these movies that marks you as being head and shoulders above the channel that inspired your own, and makes me wish that I'd given you a shot back when I first heard about you all those years ago.
Thanks for being a genuine person, and not just a video factory. And also thanks for being positive in a community of creators that spent far too much time obsessed with negativity. You're the best, man. Keep it up.
This is actually why I love his videos so much. I look forward to new ones every week. It's so rare to people simply talking about what they love and why. It's wonderful to see.
I love this channel and simply cannot stand Cinemasins. A RUclips channel dedicated to a willful lack of nuance and negativity about movies? No thanks, hard pass.
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I agree with this comment wholeheartedly
I think this channel is brilliant. I love watching the videos because it's like re watching all the best parts of great movies. But, the videos aren't the only great thing. Just looking at the comments it seems like it really brings out the best in people. The dissenting or just all of the comments in general are very respectful and well thought out. Congrats CinemaWins you brought together a wonderful community.
No, he cherrypicks ALOT. The visuals and acting.....the most uninteresting parts.
I didn't like The Last Jedi. But I'm glad you did and welcome hearing your opinions about it.
Oh... My.... God....
I respect you for saying those words.
Where the heck did you come from
What? Tolerance? How is this possible!?
This. This my friends, is the internet.
I have to agree. I hate this movie, but to not accept that there are those who like it would only serve the rambling incoherent side of the internet. JJ has to deal with this just as much as we do. Lets all hope he makes something good come from this trilogy.
18:50 actually, the film develops Finn as only aligning himself with the Resistance to stick it to the First Order, not because he believed in their cause. We can see this difference between Rose and Finn on the final bits of Canto Bight, where Finn says “it was worth it though. To make them hurt.” But Rose corrects him freeing the Fathier and saying “now it’s worth it”.
It’s extremely subtle and probably should have been developed more, but Finn wasn’t in fact trying to save something he loved, he was trying to destroy something he hated
🫵 You get it. You.
wow you're a dullard.
True. But that is why Rose is the positive spectrum for Finn's character(opposed to the negative DJ), and after Rose saves him and tells him about saving what he loves(carrying her back inside, covering her in the falcon;It's subtle like you said),that's when he gets it
You have a point, but I still think he should've died there. Like Shaffrilas says, he doesn't do a whole lot in RoS. Maybe would've been cool to see him and Rose have some conflict over that throughout the movie, only for Finn to save what he loves by fighting what he hates. Plus, the little speeder that's melting and falling apart taking down the huge cannon by messing up one little component would've been cool. The whole movie has a bit of a side theme of little things having a huge impact. One Jedi facing down the whole First Order, the one bomber taking down the dreadnaught, "They're not scanning for smaller ships", a small team infiltrating the massive ship that I forgot the name of so they could sabotage it, and of course the small spark that lights the fire to burn the First Order.
Everyone quoting "I’m glad Rey’s not a Skywalker or a Kenobi or a Jinn”
No one else quoting: "And even if JJ does decide to give Rey a 'proper' bloodline it doesn't change the fact that she grew up with no one and nothing except herself."
exactly this^^
Another reason why I personally like this movie more then TROS. Whether he knew it or not, Rian chose the better, and most logical option here. Think about it for a sec:
If she's actually Luke's child or Leia's, that would mean one of them abandoned their daughter, with no trustworthy eyes(at least in ROTS, they gave Luke to his aunt and uncle,w/ Obi-Wan as a guardian,and Leia w/ Bail Organa). Even if you say that they(Luke & Leia) did it to protect Rey, she could've just stayed on Luke's island in this movie. At least here she has someone watching over her who WON'T sell her out in a heartbeat.
Her being a Palpatine sounds cool in theory, but it requires an ungodly amount of coincidences and leaps in logic in order to make sense. And seriously, when would he have done this? Why? And who's the grand-mom? Is there a grand-mom? I'm sure there's some book or several in old canon that might house answers(if there isn't, someone will write a book on it), but maybe that's not always a good idea.
Her being a Kenobi is actually a good option, but it requires more unnecessary hula-hooping, and doesn't change a thing about Rey or Obi-Wan. It doesn't add any new dimensions to either of them.
Rian's answer requires the least amount of leaps in logic and it closes the loop completely. Maybe not the most satisfying answer, but at least I buy it. I don't buy JJ's answer. Maybe I will as time goes by, but I'm willing to bet that won't be the case.
@@CrimsonCharan None of that Mary Sue bullshit.
@@simple-commentator-not-rea7345 ?
@@CrimsonCharan Yea I feel you need to made up context to make these new movies make sense. Like when cinema win said fin didn't know he couldn't destroy that battle ram with his pod(I did not see or hear that in the movie). The resurrection of Palpatine. They wasted this movie on a boring chase and a B plot that added nothing to the trilogy. Its lack of info makes the third movie feel like watching a different trilogy just dumping all the problems out of smilingly thin air. How did Palpatine get all those ships and people to the Sith planet. Where did Palpatine escape from the Death Star he literally explodes in the Death Star then the Death Star explodes. Or that the Jedi can heal why didn't that exist when Anakin needed to save Padme.
"Don't limit the Force!"
Well, as Vader himself pointed out: "The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force."
Also, in the old Expanded Universe, Obi-Wan Kenobi was very weak in the Force. Many on the Jedi Council believed he'd never make it as a Jedi. So Kenobi kept trying, training and practicing, becoming one of the greatest Jedi of all time and THE greatest defensive lightsaber duelist ever.
Kenobi started as a nobody.
Thats whats wrong with this trilogy IMO. Nobody has ever been seen being a tenth as powerful as Rey before being trained, or at least practicing using the force. Luke, before training, could only let the force control his actions, ex. blocking the lasers on the falcon, and shooting the proton torpedoes. Then after a while of him being in the rebellion, where it is believable that he trained, he was barely able to pull his lightsaber from the ice in Empire Strikes Back. After training with yoda for what people can only guess how long, he was able to lift a few boulders with no pressure, and force choke people. All feats that vader does with no effort, so its believable he can too.
Rey was able to tie with Kylo in pulling Anakin's lightsaber in the throne room, she cracked the ground where she was standing without trying to, and in TFA, right after finding out about the force, she was able to read Kylo's mind.
Kenobi, Anakin, Luke, and Ezra / Kanan (if you watch Rebels), had to train to become stronger.
@@boggless2771 However, remember that one scene in Force Awakens where Kylo and Rey were both pulling on Anakin's lightsaber to get it out of the snow? They were both struggling like hell, yet were also pulling from an angle where neither of them would actually hinder the other (the lightsaber flies past Kylo towards Rey), implying Rey and Kylo TOGETHER struggled with pulling a lightsaber out of the snow, whereas a semi-trained, barely-conscious Luke had less trouble on his own.
Also, for an example of a character being as powerful as Rey, I suggest you look up the character known as Vaylin. Without actual training, she was able to effortlessly crush the armor of her father's guards and shatter a wooden training dummy. Vaylin, before her training, was more powerul than most fully-trained Jedi at the time. The Eternal Empire Valkorion (actually the Sith Emperor Vitiate) had to perform rituals to lock away a large amount of Vaylin's power because he feared it. So, Rey isn't all that unbelievable if you keep Vaylin in mind.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker i think Ive seen a clip of her crushing everything, but that stuff isnt canon anymore right? It looks awesome, but I dont like it as a character. Good characters have to go through some struggle to grow.
Kylo looked super confused in that scene, I think he wasnt force pulling. Rey was for sure.
@@boggless2771 It's debatable, as the Old Republic hasn't done anything that contradicts the movies, and it has been confirmed that Revan is canon. Regardless, it's still an example of a character being born with incredible power. Compared to Vaylin, Rey is nothing. Rey struggled with a simple mind trick and pulling a Lightsaber out of the snow (very simply Force skills from what we've seen), and that was when she first discovered she even had Force powers.
Sure, Rey seemed extremely powerful out of the blue, but it might just be a case of Kylo not being nearly as strong as we were led to believe. In the case of Anakin's lightsaber breaking, remember that each lightsaber is powered by a Kyber Crystal, which are naturally attuned to the Light Side. For all we know, Kylo's pull was stronger, but the lightsaber "wanted" to go to Rey due to her use of the Light Side. Even Rey's fighting skills aren't that questionable, as she has a lot of skill when it comes to fighting with a staff from her history on Jakku (come on, a fairly attractive human female on a desert planet with mostly ugly alien guys? It's either become everyone's bitch or fight to protect yourself). And in her only "real" fight against Kylo, Kylo himself was injured from a Bowcaster shot, which sent regular people flying from the sheer power behind the shot. She hasn't really done anything that can't be explained with a little knowledge of stories beyond the movies.
@@HunhowsShadowStalker Kylo is absolutely supposed to be strong. He freezes a blaster bolt midair. Vader could neutralize with his hand (ESB), but I've never seen anyone freeze a blaster bolt. Thats meant to show his strength.
Ive seen all the (edit: still canon) shows, but havent read any material, nor have I seen the old republic stuff, outside of some clips (the eternal twins and the male dathomirian (maul's race) jedi and his padawan). Nothing I have seen in it breaks the lore, but it takes the power up to 11. Yoda struggled to lift the x-wing in ESM and lifted that tower thing in AotC. That girl completely blows that out of the water. And knowing that there's no training makes me dislike it even more.
I'm fine with rey being able to use a lightsaber, but she still shouldn't hold a candle to a trained sith lord, though TLJ kinda poops on his lightsaber skills.
Hearing you say "I'm glad she's a nobody, anyone can be a Jedi and make a difference again" broke my heart knowing what I know 4 years after this video was made :(
Yup, people just had to complain so much that JJ ending up changing it and really ruining it
.. Can I ask for a TLDR?
@@HioshimaFried The beauty of Rey was that she was a breakaway from the antiquated Skywalker saga. And as of this film, thats what Rian Johnson communicated. In the next film JJ Abrams fucked it all up harder than he's ever done and crammed what I can only describe as his fanfiction into the Star Wars story. Rey was randomly assigned to the Palpatine lineage, the emperor randomly returned, and Kylo Ren is not only redeemed but also kisses Ray before dying...it was all a mess.
Exactly The Rise of Skywalker was a far worse movie it had dope visuals and that’s about it
@@YodaSama0Rise of Skywalker is objectively worse than this one, but the character assassination and damage done to the Star Wars universe in this really pissed me off. I didn't get angry with RoS, I just rolled my eyes through most of it.
"You can't look at stories from only your omniscient perspective."
THANK YOU.
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@@CabezasDePescado you can't assume the characters have all the information and facts you do...you need to have some understanding that they are working with significantly less information and without the connection you have. It's real life.
Yes! Also it needs to be repeated, somebody doing something you wouldn't do isn't a writing flaw, it's characterization! Well, usually. Sometimes characters do in fact do things that are inexplicibly foolish and out of character but most of the time a character makes a bad choice it's an extension of their characterization rather than an oversight of the writer. For example, Palpatine's trap for the rebellion in RTJ is just plain awful. It's terrible. It's supposed to be, though. Palpatine is a sadist and revels in inflicting misery. While the Empire's awful plan at the Battle of Endor doesn't meet it's goals within the view of a military strategist it does meet it's goals within the view of inflicting misery upon the rebels. If you wipe them out too quickly and efficienctly there's no long struggle filled with dread and that's what Palpatine wanted. Character's make inefficient decisions because *they aren't robots, they're characters.*
In fairness the same can be said for Po from his and I’d wager most of the rebellion saw their fleet being slowly decimated and all they received as an explanation is trust me I know what I’m doing when all evidence to that point suggested that wasn’t the case. Trust and following orders only goes so far.
In the words of Poe before he went full on commando in The Last Jedi: "At least tell us you have some kind of plan, give us something to give us hope."
There's no need for us to use an omniscient perspective to ridicule this movie, because it's laid out in front of the characters.
CinemaWins tells us that Poe could be untrustworthy to Holdo, but why would he? He helped destroy StarKiller Base, he's done countless missions, and (according to the first of the trilogy) is at least on familiar terms with Leia.
There are many good things about this movie, and some good subversions that I like. I love the cinematography and the CGI. This movie is a marvel and I'm probably going to watch it a third time right before the last movie. But frankly, I just don't like the plot of this movie by itself. I'm going to need the last of the trilogy to complete this thing, because right now it seems... incomprehensible with the rest of the series that's behind it.
Fighting a rare, aggressive cancer. I’ve enjoyed all of the Cinema Wins but this one struck home. Good words about failure and losing hope and then finding it again. Star Wars is about hope. The story may not go the way we fan boys (and girls) want, but it has always been about finding balance and hope. Thank you Cinema Wins Guy for pointing that out.
Yes, I agree with pretty much everything he said in this video.
"failure and losing hope", hmm
That is the exact thing many of the fans think this movie is as a whole/feel about its impact on the franchise.
"finding balance and rediscovering the hope"
is what those fans should do. Perhaps with the help of videos like this one.
weirdly genius.
Godspeed, rebel.
Yep, Star Wars is about hope. For instance, TLJ gave me hope that there would never be another Star Wars film made.
gracecase316 Good luck with all the treatment, you’ll kick cancers ass. And like you said, don’t loose hope, even when things seem the worst they can get. That’s when you need it the most :D
“She’s not from a bloodline, that’s why her powers matter” yeeaaahh, about that...
Spoiler tag, please; I’ve already been semi-spoiled, but other folks might not have been
God damn JJ Abrams not getting it.
@@theillusionist1494 Palpatine is still alive and is her father. Apparently.
Warfighter Dude. The hell.
@@theillusionist1494 The movie is shit anyway, I have no regrets as there is nothing worth spoiling.
Great video, as aways!
My main takeaway from this video and this movie I bring from my own experience watching it on premiere night. Before the internet, before the plot exhaustive analysis.
My theater went wild with pretty much every scene that was meant to be taken that way, people roar'd with the Holdo Maneuver and went absolutely nuts when Luke turned out to be a projection.
What I believe Rian made right was to give us a incredible experience watching it (specially on theaters), regardless of plot holes/inconsistencies with the lore.
It was a great movie and I will never not praise Rian guts to pull it off.
“No one’s ever really gone.”
That part hit me right in the feels. Especially since he said it to Carry Fisher
It also makes "loss" MEANINGLESS ... so there is no more reason to cry ... and no more reason to rejoice ... because everything turns into "whatever" or "stuff happens".
You NEED some stakes and bad things happening to have any drama ... but if "you arent really gone" it doesnt matter if people die. This is why such a way of arguing is stupid. The universe is unfair and tough shit happens ... and the big question is how we deal with it. THAT is the challenge of life and having a "pony farm life" where nothing truly bad happens is going to be a boring and meaningless life.
@@Muck006 it's an interesting point that you make, and I actually agree with you, you need heavy stuff to happen in order to have meaning, but in this particular scene i do not think it was meant to undone all of the pain and grieve that Leia was feeling, but to lighten it. Because loosing someone will always be painful, no matter what,(ofc if they literally come back that's a whole other story, but that's not the case here). However we do leave things behind, maybe it's a small object, a phrase, a one of a kind smile etc. These things can remind us of the person we've lost and they ways they had an impact on our lives and how they'd changed it. And in that sense they will be with us "forever" and this is how "No one’s ever really gone.” But that doesn't mean we don't have to deal with the loss of that person. At least that's my take of the matter.
I also think this sentence could be interpreted in two more ways:
1, This is how Luke thanks Leia for looking for him all that time and believing that he will return.
2, Encouraging her to keep believing Kylo is not gone forever (just like Vader)
@Taegen Doscher it does seem that way, but it fits in perfectly with lukes arc, he hasn't given up on the resistance, the jedi or even kylo ren. Hell the power he channels at the end of the film is so massive that its absolutely clear, if he wanted to kill kylo ren, he could have at any point. Instead he believes that his nephew can be redeemed, just that (unlike with vader) he himself can't do it.
In a way it's got four sides to it. Vader's words to Luke at the end of EP VI were those, Luke now is fighting again, Kylo can still turn back to Ben, and Han will always be there.
“Don’t limit the force”
YES GOOD SIR
YOU ARE MY HERO
You were wrong about one thing, you did change my mind about this movie. I think I may go and watch this again. Thank you, I like your positive outlook
He definitely changed my mind as well. After watching the movie for the first time, I saw a bunch of highly critical RUclips videos about this movie, and that slowly made me despise all of the little problems in this movie to the point where I hated it. He really helped me see why this movie is still great despite it's flaws.
@@melonsrage2221 the movie literally only has good visuals/sound. The plot and characters are terrible.
KiNg KЯ you’re completely right in saying that some character traits do fall short in some areas. The plot can definitely be boring and tedious. But, I do feel that I need to say that I appreciate what they did in growing Rey and Kylo’s characters, as well as Luke’s surprisingly. I feel like this movie will make a lot more sense when nine comes out. As a Star Wars movie, I think it has some of the best visual storytelling I’ve seen. Though I’m not a huge fan of the characters, like you said, I do really love this movie still.
@@Glaaki13 Exactly. I unsubbed from Cinemasins a while ago because I just found that shitting on movies, even ones I didn't like, just made me angry and nobody needs that kind of negativity in their lives. I stay subbed to Cinemawins on the other hand because even if I'm not the biggest fan of the movie he'll still find things for me to appreciate in it and that makes me happy. And man we all need more happiness and positivity in the world.
I often come back to this video to see this man's positivity on this film and I love it. He explains everything I like in the way I would and even better. I really like this film. Thank you for making this video
I’ll admit, I dislike this movie much less than I did yesterday. You pointed out a lot of things that completely skipped my mind. Well done.
I don't dislike it any less then before I watched this, I still dislike it but not to an extreme extent my only real dislike is the lack of set up for a IX and poor characters. The other stuff actual events in the film and such don't bother me.
@@kinggoten I thought there's so much set up after this movie that I wish they had an Episode X to solidly tackle everything
@@JambleBramble Really? Because there's barely anything they set up that wasn't immediate resolved or dropped during the movie. Apart from the relationship between Rey and Kylie, what other possible story beats would they need two more episodes to conclude? TLJ ended like it was the last episode of the trilogy, not the second.
+CoolNameGuy I'm curious what is set up to lead into IX even in this video he states there is a clean slate, in what way is a clean slate a good thing heading into a final act of a story. If the slate is clean it would be like beating the white walkers and ending the game of thrones before the final book/episode etc...
I’m just so relieved you made this video. You were candid and you weren’t just defending a movie you were addressing it’s impact. You made it just the right amount of personal. You should be so proud of this video regardless of the like:dislike ratio is or what the comments say
Luke could have simply dropped the Lightsaber. THAT was setup as a gag.
The like/dislike ratio isn’t as bad as I would’ve thought. Progress.
@@NabberDog
Well that happends if you manage to respectfully convey your oppinions and dont preach or call others names. Suddenly everyone acts kind of nice.
nikgrid the last thing we saw like do with a lightsaber in a main series film was throw it away. That’s what he does with the saber when he spares Vader and lets go of his anger. I thought that was a callback tot hat as well as being a gag.
Matias Navarrete-Lamas while ROTJ and TLJ did the toss for different reasons, regardless I still like it like this.
Mainly because it’s left up for interpretation. You can just see it as a gag, or you can just see it as how Luke shows his disdain towards the Jedi ways which is understandable.
No Win for Luke's sly wink to C-3PO? That was one of the best little touches in the film.
Nice small thing to point out. More wins! Lol. That was marks idea too.
I don't understand how Luke's force illusion worked on a droid. I know it's all unexplainable and has a mystic element to it, but how is a force that is based on mitochlorians (living organism that compose the force) supposed to affect a droid like C-3PO to create a force illusion?
@@VAOdin Assuming that Luke is manipulating the space where the illusion appears (rather than just the people who see it), then it's not that hard to believe that the image of Luke would be visible even to a droid.
@@SuperScarface83 But the space would then have form, which would then make no sense that Kylo couldn't stab it with his lightsaber.
@@VAOdin It would have form in the sense that the light would be manipulated so as to create the illusion of a person.
That doesn't necessarily mean that you could physically touch the illusion.
Also, I wouldn't put that much thought into this. It's the Force. It does whatever the writers say it does.
I want to say this as someone who has been a star wars fan for as long as I remember and someone who hated the new films,...
Thank you,....
Thank you for helping me to see these films in a different light.
Thank you for allowing me to see these films every year and loving them.
It is no empire, but I no longer feel like denying this triology.
I'm similar to you in a few respects, I definitely don't like these movies but these takes have helped me to at least understand other viewpoints on these films and for that I'm grateful. I just can't get past the disrespect Disney had for the fan-base by throwing three movies at us with no story planned out and hammered down (and at least 2 instances of bad storytelling in the process). I no longer trust anything that they put out unless someone like Favreau or Filoni is associated with it and that's just because they actually respect the fan-base and the underlying material. With that said, I'm happy for you that you can enjoy these movies- I'll never reach that point outside of a few scenes, but if these can make someone happy and draw new fans in to the better films then at least they are doing some good.
@@AthenianOwl237 I don't take the Sequel Trilogy as canon and never will (despite what nay-sayers declare, the ST is not the Prequels--fans universally disliked certain aspects of the PT but accepted the overall story and world-building just fine--I know, I was on the forums when the PT came out). I can't forgive Disney for treating fans like we're idiots, by thinking that--just because you have a female protagonist that female fans will flock to your trilogy, despite not giving her a proper story arc or even naming her until the day of filming (as a female fan, I find this highly patronizing) and then treating the male fans like idiots by assuming they will just "buy product" because there's a SW label slapped on it. But I like your kindness and positive outlook on things, and maybe will can all come together to watch the Kenobi series. :)
@@rienjen Right there with you. If there's one thing that makes this channel a godsend, it's that it provides another forum where people are encouraged to be respectful and positive. I am STOKED for Kenobi, Mando season 3, and Narcos: Tatooine (Book of Boba). I will HAPPILY join anyone in enjoying star wars content lol.
I mean you're just a dumbass tho. You aren't telling these stories. Being a fan of something is loving it not hating it.
I would pay good money to watch Force ghosts of Han and Luke taunting Kylo throughout the next movie like Statler and Waldorf from the Muppets.
Nah, Ghost Luke is just going to be snarky while everyone tries to save the Galaxy from the worst war its ever seen.
Kylo trips over his own cape and Luke lets out a Joker laugh.
Yesssss
"Get us out of here" hyperspace drive immediately sputters and dies *Han laughing in the background*
Han wouldn't have a ghost
Can I just say how much I love this channel? I wasn't a TLJ mega-fan and truly, it's my least favorite of the new trilogy. But even so, I love what this channel represents. On the internet especially, there's so much negativity and this channel is literally about things you liked in a given movie. CinemaWins Narrator, whomever you are-thanks for this. It's nice to see positivity about stuff.
Ya exactly the fact that we all can respect each other’s opinions is great, if someone likes the sequels then that’s amazing, if someone likes the prequels, then that’s great, if someone hates the phantom menace and attack of the clones and the last Jedi, but loves all other films again, that’s great, we all have different opinions, and we need to respect them.
Agreed
@@destroyerwolf9975 yes sirr
"Im glad rey isnt a skywalker"
Well she isn't
But she thinks she is
😂😂😂😂😂
I think the fact that his channel has almost two million subscribers at this point is quite telling, negativity isn't the only thing that can grab attention.
When I watched it in the theater I was entertained despite it's flaws. After watching a lot of youtube critiques I began to hate it. After watching your video I am again excited for the next one. Thanks for that.
Thats my story right there. Thank you cinemawins.
Agreed. I still enjoyed the movie. After listening to the critics, I was just sad it wasn't liked by so many people. But CinemaWins always seems to light my day. Thanks, man! 😁
You are such a good kind hearted person and I know this came out years ago, but watching your videos is one of the best things ever the way you voice, your opinion is amazing
42 minute video. Win.
Nearly 1,000,000 subscribers. Win.
Open-minded critique of a conflicted film. Win.
Next weeks video is Return of The King...
... F***ing win.
*The* Return of the King... Emphasize that f***king win!
Win counter broke after the final statement of the win.
Your comment, win.
Finally someone who seems to be more open minded then some of other the Star Wars fans
It's over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I actually love the Adam driver recognition
Same here man, same here
He was the Best part of the trilogy
@@chafrey8532 Agreed.
I understand why you waited so long but we were all so hyped for this, you have no idea
Man, this movie is such a mixed bag for me. The stuff it does well, it does WELL, but there are so many low points that take me out of it. Ultimately I like it more than I dislike it, but I see why some people didn't.
It’s like the prequels in that respect (at least before people started pretending like those movies were the second coming of Christ)
@@cantthinkofaname5046 nah not at all. The prequels are way better not only as movies but also what they contribute to the Star Wars franchise and story
@@knm4186 not really, they aren’t bad, but they have only elevated in status because the kids are ho grew up with them are adults now and are not afraid to say they like them.
@@cantthinkofaname5046 the things the prequels did was actually world build and not trample Over the original trilogy. And hey the story makes sense. Unlike the last jedi which completely derailed the entire sequel trilogy, hence why it's the worst star wars movie by a long shot. Boring visuals, pointless b plot, ruining any interesting characters the force awakens introduced and terrible dialog. Rian Johnson is a complete dumbass.
@@knm4186 no they're not you brain-dead prequel fanboy!
This is one helluva dangerous video. You brave, brave man.
Not really brave... I mean I'm more happy with how long took on the video. But he might get alot of hate comments, and honestly u see just as many on videos criticising the last jedi, people seem to think that isn't the case. But on his channel, he's used to hate comments
@@flightlesslord2688 I watched with curiosity on what points he'd bring up, but he still didn't sway me. I tried so hard to like this movie, but by the end of it... I just felt like Star Wars had died. I certainly don't want to trash anyone who likes the movie. To each their own. I do love that he decided to tackle this movie. I like to come and see what he has to say about movies I both love and dislike. I always appreciate the perspective.
@@vegetaprinceofallsuperchat7870 yeh fairs. But dude, star wars is far from dead. One dud in a great pile of new canon, there's rebels and the new clone wars and all the books and comics and the Mandalorian, solo was great (at least I thought so, and it was so dumb for fans to boycott it because of last jedi) and we at some point will get other stand alones which are pursponed because of boycotting... yay. So even if ur disenfranchised with the new trilogy, theres still other stuff.
Yeah being a disney shill is soooo very dangerous oh my! Somebody think of the children!
@impetuousace He is referring to the backlash of haters. But hey, its a public forum. No matter what someone says, there will be haters. Some subjects are just more popular than others for hating on, such as this movie.
Oh I can’t wait for the Rise of Skywalker video 😏
(actually serious because I enjoy this channel)
Same here
that moment when you find a dokkan youtuber on a star wars youtube video:
Wait Tallen?! Sup lmao
Its probably going to take another year to come out.
Gaming w/TallenV oh hey tallen *give me your dokkan account*
Liking things is more fun than not.
That tagline is the reason why me and my circle of friends subscribed and continue to watch (repeatedly) your pieces.
The homie L described you as the RUclipsr version of Quentin Tarantino, in that you love cinema. You love it so much that you find all the beautiful aspects of it. And in return, we love and respect you for it.
Thanks for this channel.
You should see the video about Sucker Punch, where he talks about how Tarantino said it was one of the worst movies of 2011.
That is such a stupid thing to say that i don't even know where to begin with it...
Even a "bad" movie has good things about it. It's hard to find a film completely devoid of all value whatsoever.
toti you just worded my feelings for his channel in that one comment. I’ve had these videos in my recommended for years but always thought it was satire like a lot of the others. Literally found the channel last night and am pretty obsessed. It’s like he gets my thought processes with movies I love, and shows new positive perspectives to movies I didn’t really like. definitely a fan after 24 hours lmao
Kiss-Shot Acerola-Orion Heart-Under-Blade who are you even referring to lmao
30:29 2 years later Luke got his own hallway scene and it is equally as badass. Granted it was robots so it's not like he walked through slaughtering Imperial troopers.
They were pretty badass robots. Mando struggled against just one.
I actually audibly groaned at that scene and just decided the show wasn’t worth any more of my time after that. Just a boring, boring show.
It was fan service and it felt like another direct response to TLJ haters. It's also a massive Deus ex Machina ending so while being visually cool is kind of lame writing.
A lesser man would have split this up into two videos.
That one Praetorian guard who split his weapon into two dagger is exactly that kind of man. He then drops it so he doesn't land a killing blow in Rey even when she was powerless to stop the attack.
SwordTune Exactly
23:38 -- "What you're not allowed to do is attack other humans over a dumb movie."
Understanding of this simple concept applies to damn near everything people bicker over on social media.
I'd say its a product of the times. We have the literal president of the united states calling people who he doesn't like 'sad' or 'failing' every day on social media.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 To be fair, they are attacking him plenty too.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 Why do we hold him in a higher regard than everyone else? If don't admonish the people that are calling him awful things, then why are we admonishing him for responding? I guarantee you he has not gone down to anywhere near the levels of some of the people talking about him.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 Do you think he is getting that money at this point? And do you think that the people who hate his work are going to pay for it if he says nice things to them? He's done his job, and (unless disney has told him otherwise in their contract) he is under no obligation to say one thing vs another. And the fact that you are upset at how he acts but not at the people insulting him every day is just hypocrisy.
@@hunterthekitsune9536 I've seen the comments. They are definitely worse than anything he is saying back. Until I see him making repeated death threats, he has yet to be as bad as they are. Granted, he should also handle it better, but what he is getting is so much worse than what he is doing.
Favorite part was when he gave two wins to Kylo saying *MORE*
BLOW THAT PIECE OF JUNK
OUT OF THE SKY
Fax no machine.
Bro, you are truly awake, loving your content and completely agree with your principles 💪🏼
Its not good being woke
@@Azactwtf does that have to do with the comment?
Even cinema wins had to remove a win for the milk scene.
Caleb McCarthy Personally I liked it. But I guess I am a Dino-nerd so am not bothered by giant horrific animals
Not even he can survive it...
Caleb McCarthy was kinda hot, lol
I thought that scene was hilarious
Ugh, I don't know why that scene gets so much flack....you don't really think Luke's going to drink seawater the whole time, do you? He has to get his essential vitamins somewhere....
I’ll be honest I came into this with a pure hatred of this film. But you have given amazing perspectives on films before; and helped me be less cynical towards movies. I honestly didn’t think you’d sway the arguments I had against this film. But you did, your ideas were interesting and they were all very well thought out. Now I’m not saying I love this movie now. But I have a new found respect for it at least. So, from one movie buff to another, thank you for helping me find joy in movies that I hadn’t had, since I was a kid seeing LOTR for the first time.
The simple fact that you came here and commented honestly, I applaud you sir. Not many people can set their pride aside and gain new perspective.
This is always like that watching his videos, it happenned with me with batman v superman
You can hate the movie. It's art, it's working more or less. But staying a critic and curious is excellent, because this movie has a lot of strong points, some very objective (quality of acting, decor, special effects, music, etc.). The rest, especially the story, has some weak points. But to consider it with distance or curiosity is something great.
Hey, I find "the most excellent film ever" (Citizen Kane), but I have my opinion and I can talk about it, without being too personal. This is a positive attitude, so be proud of it ! ^^
totally agree with you, at first i hated the film, don't get me wrong i loved some things about it. like the throne room scene and a few others. but it was nice to see a video displaying another view point of why they liked the movie instead of hated it, i agree about having a new view point on it after watching this video
How can you be clinical toward a movie? Give it meds or something?
Never clicked anything so fast IVE WAITED A WHOLE ENTIRE YEAR
As time has gone on, I’ve come more around to this film as probably being the best of the sequel trilogy. It takes actual risks, and wasn’t just a copy. It has actual character behind it. Honestly, the biggest issues with this film probably come from its nature as a sequel to its prior, which just left so many unanswered questions.
The stupid dialogues, plotholes, tactics and some scenes also make it hated
This is exactly how I’ve come to feel about it. I don’t like it, but it’s still the best Sequel movie.
This is the best video regarding The Last Jedi that I have yet to see. It handles everything (good and bad) so well.
John B I agree! It was well thought out and explained while addressing the main concerns with multiple perspectives.
I wish he didn't give into the milk thing. The fact people find it gross that a farmer drinks milk is one of the silliest reasons I have heard for someone not liking a movie.
@@HermanFalckHow Agreed. I wonder how they were fed as babies.
42 minutes. WELL, let's do it.
Mr Wins, i just wanna say. i've been waiting for this since last december, and i want to say, you not splitting this up was an AMAZING decision. i don't care what happens after this. i just want you to know that im behind you, no matter what film you do. that is all.
So I just finished binge-watching your takes on all the StarWars movies and I only have one thing to say: Thank you. I found a new appreciation for them unlike I have had before. Even for TLJ which prior to this video I hadn't thought possible. But the way you point out the BIGGER picture of StarWars the motivations and visions behind itself and its characters it just all makes sense. I had never seen Luke the way you pointed out up until now and in light of that I agree that the Luke you see in TLJ makes perfect sense. Same goes for Anakin in the prequels and Hayden's portrayal of him.
So yeah thank you very much!
@@MichaelM28 Why bully him for his opinion? It is no more or less valid than yours. Well, I take that back. Hatemongers have less valid opinions because they can't accept people view things differently and that those opinions are just as valid.
I’ve loved all of Star Wars. Initially I skipped this trilogy because everyone said it was bad. I finally gave it a shot and I did not regret it. Personally this is my favorite movie of the trilogy.
Thank you, i watched this movie to and i enjoyed every minute of i. It makes no sense how this is the most hated one in the ST.
I did not like this movie, at ALL. However, I'm really glad you did. Not every movie is for everyone. I don't understand why everyone has to hate on each other cause they don't or do like a movie.
It’s really not that good lol but also not worse than the last one.
Crazy that rogue one is the inly good star wars movie Disney made
What's it like enjoying all the Star Wars movies?
Me: "It's a peaceful life"
I like all the Star Wars movies equally.
They’re like poetry.
@@mistamemewide yeah. Its about family.
It ain’t much, but it’s honest work
Finally, non-screaming people from the Star Wars fandom. I have found my people.
Oh wow, someone that understands me
I agree with everything! For me, the theme for this movie literally was „the greatest teacher failure is“ which I think is awesome. They showed us that everything is gray and everyone has a light and a dark side.
What a great summary!
Who else has the courage to teach that Failure is real and the greatest lesson? It was as bold as it was a good movie.
Looks like you put a lot of thought into the script for this video. Despite this being a highly controversial movie, i think your review did it justice… You backed up your explanations with well thought out logical statements, despite your love for the series clearly shining through at many points. Your enthusiasm and positive attitude is a joy to watch :)
Keep up the great work :)
PS: I loved the movie, and still do ;)
I hate when the Last Jedi takes heat for Luke being a hermit, when that was set up by JJ in the Force Awakens. What else was Johnson suppose to do with that?
@@flynncarter229 luke expend half of his time screen in the OT complaining about thigs and surrenders in a lot of things after the first trie. He was beber perfect a big problem with him was how easy he gave up. So no. Luke Is not out of character in tlj. Also if you think people don't hete Johnson, search his name in RUclips
@@flynncarter229 you sir are a true ally of the republic
what, you think he was just going to face the first order with a laser sword?
@@luisrivera5476 Did we watch the same OT?
JJ should've given it all to Rian, at least he was creative
I have to say, as a life long movie and Star Wars fan, the scene after Snoke dies and Rey's hand comes up and grasps the floating lightsaber just as the music swells is one of the most affecting in cinema for me personally.
I agree, when snoke died and the fight started I started to really get into the movie thinking it was going to be special, I was enjoying it a lot at that point but what ruined it for me afterwards was how Rey and Kylo were about to team up and then decided not to lol. I feel like that could have been something special if Rey and kylo sided with each other, like they teamed up for like five minutes and then went back to being enemies again it. Like RJ needs to calm down he’s trying to subvert expectations way too much and it makes everything feel so wishy washy.
Everyone has their opinions but no. The new trilogy has a few good vfx scenes and thats it. The comedy is horrible they ruined luke. The ruined the EU. The main character literally has zero flaws. Finn is still a soulless character. I genuinely dont see how people enjoy these new movies. This is not a case like the original prequels. Those movies stayed true to a T with star wars lore. Only bad part was the script sometimes. Other than that every lightsaber battle, the politics. An actual character ark between not only Anakin but Obi Wan, Yoda etc. were handled wayyy better. Also the emotion actually meant stuck especially the last dialogue with Anakin and Obi wan. Seriously fuck these new movies
@@painhurtssometimes2185 dude, shut up and let us enjoy the movies, we're sick and tired of your stupid constant hate with the new movies, so shut the fuck up and let us enjoy TFA and TLJ!
Truly a great scene
@@jaimecavazos4745 Did I not say everyone has their opinion you dull penny? This is mine. If you are okay with shitty movies that ruin 40 years of lore behind it so be it. But dont tell me to shut up (even though Im typing) because I point out very obvious and big flaws with your movie. You sound like the type of guy who thinks GoT is better than lord of the rings. That is all thanks for listening to my ted talk
You are allowed to love the movie, but not hate people for hating it. You are allowed to hate the movie, but not hate people for loving it. And you are allowed to feel both ways, and not get hate from both sides.
You my friend.....are a true star wars fan
Thanks for the permission slip?
Actually, fuck that, I wont stand while some cunts try and ruin Star Wars for all of us because they didn´t like the movie, its pretty simple to me, you don´t like it don´t go watch it again, stop trying to cancel it, Solo was fucking good and it was ruined from the get go.
I hated Venom with all my guts and I won´t be ruining everyone elses cake.
@@MajorWeedrow Haha what a funny joke
@William Green, yeah, I felt the same way just an hour ago (finally watched the movie first time last night, went to CinemaSins first to commiserate), but then came here (see my comment just posted). Either you didn't actually watch this entire commentary, or... well, let's just say I want to follow the rules that CinemaWins laid out. Cheers!
just because i dislike it, doesn’t mean there aren’t fantastic parts in it. ty for making this, regardless of everyone else.
that whole millenium falcon on crait scene was my favorite part, i hated the movie, but i loved that scene.
Wyan exactly, just because i love the movie doesn’t mean the cantino bit wasnt a little stretched, or the milk part wasn’t weird. It’s not perfect, and it doesn’t need to be
it does have good stuff among the footage
@@adaml1463 glad you liked that part!
I really liked the visual design of Crait from the moment they landed to the Resistance's escape.
I hope that when Ep. IX comes out, this will feel like more of a single chapter in the saga.
I liked it but I feel like the script could have used another draft. It feels like they kind of wrote themselves into a corner with this one.
As of now, the only thing that the movie set up for IX was the possibility of Rey having to become a teacher of future Jedi on her own. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a time gap, just to give Leia some time to pass on in between movies.
Going back to the whole Rey thing, I like how the movie questions the efficacy of the light vs. dark element of the Force, and how Rey and Kylo had a link that allowed for them to communicate and empathize with each other, bringing both of them closer to the middle. But at the end of the movie, everything goes back to the status quo.
But hey, Ep IX is the finale anyway, so let's see what they do, as long as there isn't another space cannon...
Yes this exactly. I think Luke's arc was FANTASTIC for all the reason this video describes and really draws the Star Wars series in a new light, even contextualizing some of the worst aspects of the prequels. I also think the casino subplot was 90% boring filler garbage that is absolutely worth complaining about (unless ofc you're personally attacking the poor actress hired to play Rose, she doesn't deserve to be treated that way for playing a part the way it was written, no one does). Opinions on TLJ are pretty nuanced because the movie itself has more nuance than I think a lot of the Star Wars films do. It's not just black-and-white, that's the whole message of the movie, and ironically the message that members of the fanbase jumping in one direction or the other have completely missed.
Something that crossed my mind when I went back to rewatch this trilogy, is the very last shot, of the boy with the broom, and one line from the end of RoS.
Because the Rebellion doesn’t need a fleet to win the war.
*Just, people*
Star Wars Dunkirk
Who
awwww beautiful!
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer i think it means a fleet of just people, because when the fleet arrives in exegol it's just people, so i think that what it means
correct me if im wrong
@Arcturus Longshanks XVII, King of Australia yes, they need ships. But what are important are people. Yes, there need to be large scale naval encounters. But tyranny happens where people live. In cities, towns, villages. And recruiting and inspiring those people to, well... rebel and resist is the most important thing. And with that will come ships.
The last scene, with the kid looking at the stars, that’s pure Star Wars right there, in fact that scene alone explains it all.
There is a reaction video from a 6(I think) year old kid seeing this film and he completely gets the themes and what Rian was going for. That other people don't is basically choice at this point.
Anyone notice the foreshadowing of Snokes ship being split in two with Leia flying through the hologram at 5:46?
That's really cool.
:0 I never thought of that
I didn't see it till I rewatched, but I actually really appreciated it once I did.
@@Plasma_Pistolier tbh the movie is full of visual story telling and subtlety that was probably simply lost on most people who didnt like the movie.
some portion of the star wars fandom can be a bit ... unsophisticated...
and not really on par with well crafted directorial vision
@Ian L sorry if it went over your head , have fun watching the OT on repeat I guess?
5:45 how could you miss the foreshadow of that imperial ship being split in half by the ship she is going into.
I’ve seen the movie so many times but I just caught it while watching this video!!!
holy sh*t i never noticed
@@hoani64 same
OH I JUST SAW THAT BRO U ARE LEGEND
I noticed it, but I thought it was just a cheesy symbolism.
Quote from Star Wars:
(Rose Tico)
''That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love.''
Promote what you love instead of bashing what you hate. Anger always has a reason, but love is always the answer. Build bridges not walls, spread positivity not hate, make love not war.
Well said
While witnessing the only barricade stopping the resistance being destroyed. The resistance her sister died for.
@@mlproplayer171 so?
@@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582 uhhhhhhhhh doesn’t make sense that she’s letting the resistance die. The thing that she loves....
@@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582 how can you not see the blatant contradiction
Since nobody else is gonna do it, I guess I have to.
Edit: What do you know! Now you actually are past 1 M subscribers! Look forward to your videos!
Sorry man but your a bit early, he's currently on 994K. Not that it'll take him long to reach 1 million.
this video will make him surpass 1m easily.
have to agree with Ranu
He should have just asked for 1M before he uploaded this. He would have got it pretty fast.
TheHero136 No one is gonna do it because it’s not 1 Mil lol. When he actually teaches 1 Mil, we’ll congratulate him.
First I'd like to say that you are amazing, I love that you are so willing to just be you, most people on RUclips like to create some charecter but Your show just feels like I'm talking about a movie with a friend, never stop. (Also I was rewatching a few old EGAs and noticed you haven't done Avatar? I would love to hear your opinions on the film!)
Does the highest grossing film ever really require a defense? People dislike it now because it is the highest grossing movie ever, and just grasp at whatever they can to feel superior.
Facts
Mike Duncan Lee once said that he specifically DIDN’T name this channel “In Defense of Bad Movies,” because he didn’t want to limit himself to... bad movies.
@@logansmith7517 No, but from what I have seen from his videos, it is about trying to celebrate the best and champion the worst. To try to either get people to give a movie a chance that they wouldn't have bothered to watch, or to show them what exactly it is that makes a great movie great. With Avatar... I don't know, I really see anyone calling it their favorite movie, it was the right tech, in the right ways, at the right time, and it was a phenomenon, but tech moves ever onward, and what was really a pretty good film became dismissed out of hand as something which was only a gimmick. I don't think that there's a LOT to celebrate beyond the technological milestones, and none of the haters will change their mind because they want to remain counterestablishment or whatever,.
I just enjoyed the movie, I wasn't asking because it was well liked or apparently well hated to some. I also was unaware that it was one of the top grossing movies. I'm sorry for comming off like someone who needed to feel superior.
I gotta say bud, you are really good at your job. Even though I really disagree with some of the points you've made (big ones being holdo, snoke, Luke), I can seriously appreciate how responsibly you take your role as reviewer. It doesn't go unnoticed how much care you put keeping your points clear and calm amongst such an angry debate. There is a blaring problem with the controversy around this movie; everybody hates on others with differing opinions no matter what they are or how valid they may be. This goes for both sides of the spectrum. Yes, there are some problems with the movie that I for one couldn't really push aside. But I can also enjoy some of the beautiful moments this movie presents us with. It's honestly a shame how some "true fans" can possibly label one opinion about a damn star wars movie as wrong or right, considering the entire point of the series was that there is no black and white, only gray. I hope this video doesn't become a target of arguements for anyone, there is just too much to love. I really hope you see this CinemaWins, you deserve a pat on the back for being such a peacekeeper.
May the force be with you, you sexy motherfucker
^^^ this!!
I do NOT like Holdo and I've got problems with Snoke, but he's pointed out reasons to like them
I don't think the narrative is on hating others opinion from most of the people who love the movie. It is more about trying to make you see the movie we see and honestly the sadness you get stuck on small nitpicks that don't matter and anger at those that make it their lives goal to make someone feel stupid for liking or having worked on something. That is gross.
Not liking a good movie is just sad and I wish you could try to give it a chance beyond pointless debates on "flaws" that is explained in most instances and don't actually matter on all.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading this. God bless ya!
Yeah, liking things is more fun then not.
I love TLJ, and now I officially love your channel.
Agreed
Me too
Same here
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer so watch cinemasins
@King Wobbegong, Sea Urchin Farmer at least we agree on something
You are right. It's way more fun to be optimistic. I like Star Wars, and I like this video.
We should be optimists, but, this movie is sooo boring and "for now" seems to serve no purpose, like nothing happen, everybody is at the same place as at the start of the film.. just minor tweeks. Not a terrible movie, not a good movie neither. Also, I'm a little troubled by the fact that as a stand alone the movie dosn,t really works...
I don't think that is the reason to be optimistic but ok lol.
This isn’t optimistic it’s purposely leaving out parts that make the movie worse
Tyler Harding And what exactly was “left out”?
@@theboyharding845 Not saying it's a GOOD movie. But not as bad as some make it out to be, and certainly not the "end of Star Wars". I can still enjoy it for those bits that entertain me.
I loved this movie personally. I found it to be refreshing. Good stuff.
I also understand if people didn't enjoy it. That's fine.
God bless you
Yeah, each to their own.
When I walked out of the cinema I said that it was the best Star Wars movie. I may not feel that strong about it anymore, but it's one hell of a good movie in my personal opinion.
I'd think it'd be better if it wasn't a Star Wars movie and more of it's own thing ya know? To each his own
@@derrickwoods1595
It's all cool man. :)
@@KristerL
I remember grinning like an idiot while watching this (yeah I might be one), but man I really liked this film. Still do!
“It's more fun to like stuff than not“
Probably the reason i like CibemaWins more than CinemaSins😅
CinemaSins is just a chore to slog through. For every one correct 'sin' there's 40 others that are just stupid jerks not even watching the movie.
@@heavysystemsinc. I really enjoyed them for a while, especially because of the voice. But some fails are just nitpicky. And they grew so boring.
@@HRCFre4k If you've never see Shaun critique them, you'll where it's less about being nitpicky and simply not paying attention to the movie in order to insert a joke about some arbitrary even that doesn't work and ignores how the movie is telling it's story altogether. It's quite embarrassing....
@@heavysystemsinc. sounds like a better explaination. I watches them while they were fresh and I kinda liked it. A while ago I wanted to check them out again and they seemed nitpicky, but what you say sounds closer to what they really do. Ah well, if they want to do so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Jeremy Landry Also the fact that every prequel film has “Two Parts” and their Last Jedi video is hilariously biased
I love how you break this movie down and address all the issues people have with it and make valid points why the issues can be ridiculous. Thank you for this.
like he did with the prequels
Ironically though it's supper positive videos like this that make me sad. He makes sound and valid arguments, and on paper this is a good movie that I should like. But for whatever reason I just don't.
@@noahdrucker3076 probably due to the fact that not many people like the movie
@@ghosttoast4045 well I don’t think it’s that. I’ve been watching all the Star Wars movies for the first time this summer, and right now I can say I’m thoroughly obsessed. I loved the prequels despite the fact that a lot of people seem to hate them, in fact I think I actually liked the prequels more than the originals.
@@noahdrucker3076 I'm pretty sure a lot more people like it now because it adds to the lore and history of Star Wars and other facts but yeah, also that has nothing to do with TLJ
“Liking things is more fun than not”
And I immediately liked this video xD
I started watching you like 5 hours ago because of Star Wars, and I love seeing someone who just loves movies (especially Star Wars movies) as much as I do :) you’re awesome, can’t wait for your episode 9 video, and keep on being that positive person that’ll restore hope to RUclips :P
@Joshua Lambert No lol that's not at all what I was saying xD I'm saying that, like the creator of this video, I personally enjoy a lot of things despite their flaws (that many people can't get past) as long as I find it entertaining. I absolutely respect your right to dislike something that's awful! But there's a bit of a culture that has arisen these days of intensely hating things for their flaws and attacking people who like them (I'm sure you see it a lot in the star wars fandom). Saying that liking things is more fun than not isn't an attack on people that don't like things xD it just means that we personally prefer to be entertained by movies in our favorite series, even if they have frustrating flaws. It's not about what you have to do, it's just about what you personally want to enjoy. There were a lot of bad things in the prequels, but it's a lot more fun (again, this is me personally, not everyone) to just enjoy the good parts rather than focusing on the bad (or just disowning the entire trilogy), especially since it can be devastating to feel like your favorite series of all time has been ruined by a new movie. If you're bothered by a movie's flaws, you absolutely have every right to dislike it! That's totally fine. It's just a personal preference for actively choosing to enjoy something that is potentially very flawed, which of course isn't a choice that everyone will like. Hope that makes more sense :)
@Joshua Lambert the movie isn't terrible , it's a bad star wars movie but a decent movie, don't claim you're a movie director because of your fanboy reasons this movie isn't close to terrible but of course fanboys love hating the sequel trilogy and it's fine to enjoy a movie because believe or not people have opinions, I'm glad i watched this movie with an open mind without claiming the plot and the characters suck because someone said that on the internet, but i know i will never convince so let's just agree to disagree with that stupid argument of yours
@Joshua Lambert oh okay i thought you were saying it's objectively a bad film and what i meant that I'm not gonna convince you is that everyone and including me (most of the times) won't change their opinion over a comment, it's fine that you dislike the sequel trilogy but my message is don't blame the people who do because we don't have to enjoy the exact same movies and it's better to enjoy something than hating on it but of course we need to admit the thing is very flawed, have a good life :)
@@Whateveridksomething It's not even a bad Star Wars movie
@Ian L No it isn't.
People who complain that Rey didn't come from a "Jedi bloodline" forget that in the Republic-Era, there were no "Jedi bloodlines". Every Jedi took a vow of celibacy, meaning their Force potential ended (from a biological standpoint) with them. Every Jedi in the Order was effectively a Muggle-born, and some of them almost certainly came from "nobodies".
This comment is severely underrated. The mere fact that Anakin and Padme's romance in the prequels, the MAIN CONFLICT OF THAT TRILOGY, was forbidden by the Jedi is my go-to response to any "criticism" of Rey not being descended of a previous Jedi protagonist.
No one cares about the Jedi bloodline, the problem she’s nobody yet she’s seems stronger than anakin (a child literally created by the force) ever was.
Anakin trained for years and he still was no match against dooku the first time they fought. Luke trained for a year or 2 and he still was no match for Vader the first time they fought.
Yet here comes Rey beating a dark side user trained both by Luke and snoke, the first time she even held a lightsaber. Not to mention Kylo was in sith berserker mode going as far to hit his wound to draw more power from the dark side.
She’s a Mary Sue plain and simple.
@@ericscar97 1) kylo was just shot by a bowcaster and 2) you assume kylo was trying to beat Rey
Luke jumped around with yoda on his back for like 2 days and then fought Vader to a standstill in ESB
Anakin's main skill set was a pilot...not hand to hand combat.
@@calbear1568 2 days? Did you even watch the movie? and he did more than that, Yoda taught him skills and the way with the force, he failed time and time again, eventually gave up, but after much training he finally became great. Rey used the force, and did a bunch of crap from self teaching. She's just a terrible Mary Sue - objectively - she is the definition of a Mary Sue through and through and using "the force" or other things to explain it away just doesn't cut it. If it did the movie wouldn't need multiple books to back it up.
Not even to mention how they utterly destroyed Luke's character and how not telling your best leader your plan doesn't make a lick of sense. The movie has so many holes, oversights, and just all around crap directing by a guy who's just trying to impress the CEO of Disney with "wamen power". Sure it looked good, but the story and universe is utter crap.
and Anikin's skill set was not hand-to-hand combat? Well firstly he was a protege pilot, but he trained in combat from such an early age it shouldn't really matter, you can be good at something naturally and train to do something else just as good. Also, if he didn't need to train he'd have beaten him with force alone being one of the most powerful in it. If good Jedi didn't need training then Luke, Anakin, Yoda, Obi Wan, and even the freaking Emperor wouldn't have needed masters - but they did... every single one of the required a master to be able to, at the very least, learn to use the force.
Don't get me wrong, if you like it, great. But too many people are not accepting of any criticism and a lot are also pushing out the old fans who dislike the new movies because they messed with the universe completely - even Ryan and that CEO lady said that people who don't like the movie are sexist and can't handle a female lead - which isn't true at all, if it were we'd also hate Alien & Terminator 2 among many, many other classics with strong female leads - the new fan base has just caused so much toxicity because old fans dislike the movies and they don't respect each other's opinions, and that is what is really killing this franchise - never mind it going into the paws of *The Mouse* and pushing political crap left and right as they do.
@@calbear1568 you know that Luke was months on dagobah not 2 days?
The one thing I missed was to see Luke's reaction to the death of Han. Why would you cut away from such a powerful moment.
idk
@@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582 Maybe he already sensed it?
SaraGamma no he didn’t he cuts himself from the force
@@starwarsprequelsandsequels7582 and @SaraGamma The scene I'm referring is where Luke asks Rey: "Where's Han?"
That emotional moment derserved a scene, not at cut: His best friend was killed by his apprentice, who he earlier sensed would turn to the Dark Side.
@@NoCureForMe ah ok
i love how you address that Poe is NOT trustworthy from a command stand point. We like him as an audience but the rebellion sees him more a wildcard
He’s nowhere near untrustworthy and holdo not telling Poe about the plan when she clearly has one speaks volumes on how terrible of a leader holdo is
@redlox2 - Psst, Holdo does the exact same thing she scolded Poe for. Small sacrifice: Poe - a few fighters and bombers that were already deployed to delay the enemy fleet. Holdo - the last capitol ship that's nearly out of fuel. To delay and damage the enemy fleet. So unless we're supposed to learn, "do as you're told, not as I do" it's kind of a silly message.
No win for “ok thats pretty much nowhere?”
lol
bad joke
Justuas yep
GOOD POINT! Fantastic line.
Honesty! *ding!*
If Rey was good with her staff...
Double-bladed lightsaber?
Clearly she was meant for the dark-side... Like how she reached out towards it, to find the truth... Then again, that is stretching with the symbolism, not to mention, Disney wouldn't want to acknowledge the prequels.
The lightsaber being a omnidirectional striking edge has more in common with a staff/club than a sword.
Picky Physics Student what do you mean? They acknowledge it constantly. Most obvious example is them literally bringing Darth Maul back in Solo (yes I’m aware it happened in Clone Wars and Rebels first). Referring to the Emperor’s Sith name Darth Sidious and acknowledging the shortcomings of the Jedi in the Clone Wars era leading to their downfall. In a way a lot of what we get at least in TLJ was built around the foundations set by the prequel.
That would be so cool. If we are to have a new generation of jedi warriors, might as well give them some weapon variety. We had siths using dual sabers, double-bladed sabers, cracked-crystal crossguard sabers, even dooku had an edgy bent saber. Why jedis can't have that?
In both fights with Anakins saber she at some point starts using a reverse grip which plays into the fact that a reverse grip works a bit like a staff would in the way you swing it, so I'm so hoping she uses a saberstaff. My only issue is I can't tell if I'd be more hyped up seeing it in the trailer or being surprised in the movie itself.
Hey, if people decide to leave the community just because you did this movie then their loss. I just got 45 minutes of Lee. What more could I ask for? don't let the haters get you down man.
I would never leave this channel because of this movie, I left the video because the movie is stupid.
@@realar you should watch the video lmao
Lee? You mean Stan Lee? Wrong franchise bro.
@Jeffrey The CinemaWins guy’s name is Lee
@Cinema Wins So, I love rewatching your videos (this is probably my fourth time on this video alone) and one of the things that occurred to me is Holdo probably also didn't tell Poe about the plan because sometimes the most demanding voice to know what is going on is the traitor, which, in a sense, he does betray them when he has the mutiny later on.
That music that plays when Luke starts walking out of the room towards the huge battlefield gives me chills everytime.
Even though I didn’t end up enjoying the movie as a whole, Luke’s final fight and him staring into the double sun still hit me hard.
Okay, I first saw Star Wars in 1977 as a 16 year old. Luke was my hero, I idolized him even though I knew he was pretty whiny at times. Walking into the Last Jedi as a 57 year old, who has dealt with, good, bad, amazing, disappointment and just life. I found my hero again..Luke. Yes he was flawed, but so am I, yes he learned some of the wrong lessons, he screwed up and he tried to live up to the exceptions of galaxy and worse his own....and was found wanting. If he had been portrayed as a Jedi super hero legend then it would have diminished my life, but instead I found a relatable hero I still loved, who showed me how to learn from my mistakes and missteps and still find peace and purpose.
I love the Last Jedi for the same reason I love Star Wars, I can see myself in the heroes, flawed as they may be.
This, this right here. I may be 20 years younger than you, but I can relate to what you've succinctly explained here. I've had difficulty putting into words the complex emotions I also felt about Luke in this movie, but you've done it. I am glad Luke wasn't relegated to a one-dimensional caricature. Even though I'm not quite 40 I've got enough years behind me that I've seen the long-term effects of my successes and my failures, and that's helped me understand where Luke is at emotionally in this movie. His actions and choices feel genuine.
This is exactly how Mark Hamil felt after he thought about it a while and saw himself in Luke.
So put yourself in Luke's shoes. You can kill a family member in their sleep? Pull out a gun and aim it at him because you want to prevent the evil that he might do in the future? That's if you had that type of power to see into the future. A future which is fluid and not set in stone. Visions don't always come true in Star Wars too.
My sentiments as an old Star Wars fan as well. Excellent points, sir.
The hyper-radicalized fanboys don't seem to realize Star Wars was always full of plot holes, things that didn't make sense, nor was the story or character fleshed out really well. It was about the beautifully tailored stories and lessons of life, the fantasy of it all. Everything the fanboys nitpick to kingdom come with Last Jedi, can be exactly same applied to Star Wars back in '77. Who was the Emperor? Who's Darth Vader? Who was Obi Wan? No answers back then. Did that matter even one bit?
I loved the LJ as well. Especially when now I'm at an age to understand how time can erode even the brightest of young talents, most noble of heroes, and greatest of ambitions. And yet, Luke still came back! Not as the mighty warrior, but in the best way he can -- as a real Jedi.
Just want to thank all those who have posted. Have a happy holiday season and a safe and happy New Years.
24:55 thats some Yoda level advice :D thank you
MrSundayMovies convinced me that it was okay to love the movie. You sir, took it to another level and examined it further. New subscriber, new fan. Much more than just a positive cinemasins
I loved this movie my friend. I get some of the hate. I didn't like holdo but she didnt ruin it for me and I honestly loved the ship ramming scene.
Holy shit, rational people?
@@RandomRiot No they just like the same movie as you.
@Rep Ninja well firstly I don't answer to anyone online. Secondly what an argument about what's rational? Both sides have made rational arguments. It's a terrible way to live to just think anyone who agrees with you is rational and anyone who doesn't isn't.
@Rep Ninja Definitely not my intention though I see how it can appear that way
27:00 I agree completely, heroes are still human, they can be disheartened, they can be flawed. Thank you very much
W GU I agree. Though what baffles me about this is that he freaks out at Rey for exploring the dark side. When we’ve seen in the original trilogy that Luke dabbled in the dark side a little. It’s what he tapped into to help defeat Vader, and we see him using the dark side’s signature force choke.
Though given this one could also use this point to make the argument that he wouldn’t react so severely to Kylo because he too tapped into the dark side in his life.
W GU I always understood that sentiment and it’s very plausible but the way it was applied and executed in this movie was something I could just never move past, of course Luke wouldn’t be the unstoppable god he was in Legends but what he does was just way to far out of character I feel, it’s like when Batman kills someone in a mainline story such as BvS, it invalidates and contradicts everything about the entire character.
@@KS-qc3pr okay. Fair enough. As long as you don't demonize Johnson and Shnyder as anything more than artists who created misguided interpretations of characters they most likely care about as much as you. That's all I care about at this point. I can accept that passion doesn't always pay.
I'm not sure if you a #changethechannel supporter, but I love Channel Awesome's portrayal of Snyder: an eccentric, misguided DC fanboy that doesn't have a grasp on what we love about these characters. They made this hilarious video about Snyder seeing Avengers: Infinity War, and getting shocked at the Thanos winning, having an epiphany that you can be light and dark at the same time, implying that that's how the current DCEU got better.
Except Rey, apparently.
@@KissShotAcerolaOrion actually, if you ignore her ability to learn the Force quicker than Luke, she actually has several mental and personality flaws that make her far from perfect: she can be cocky, arrogant, feisty, have abandonment issues, trust issues, and is In the middle of an identity crisis. Does that sound like a perfect, boring character? It doesn't to me.
If you like the movie, cool
If you dont like the movie, cool
If you're genuinely one of the people who hates it with a fiery passion and believes it needs to be stricken from canon and completely redone, and attacks actors/writers/directors... you need to do some introspection
Edit for clarification: Theres a difference between 'I don't like the movie' and 'No one is allowed to like the movie'
i agree with the canon part but i dont attack actors i do suggest you look up do rian he has attack the fans namy times and name called thme he desurve all the hate he get
Here's another options.
I'm this --> "If you're genuinely one of the people who hates it with a fiery passion and believes it needs to be stricken from canon"
@@KaiserMattTygore927 propaganda? People are legit trying to take a fictional movie out of fictional canon because they're triggered by it, how does that not sound stupid?
@@lorenzogarcia4335 A lot of this is propaganda based on the word of corrupt film staff and they're defense brigade.
I think whole new Disney canon sucks balls and should be removed, but attacking actors and crew with death threats was never cool with me. Not when Lucas was attacked, not when Lloyd was attacked, not when Johnson was attacked, not when Kelly Marie Tran was attacked.
I mean, you can say that they did a really shitty job, but do you also threaten McDonalds employees with death, because they gave you a Fillet'OFish instead of Cheeseburger?
Missed detail at 22:23 the child force pulls the broom to him adding more to the scene that anyone can be a hero
Also, stuntman dedication. Hux's broke his nose when he fell face-first on the bridge.
man, poor guy.
Yikes props to that guy it got to hurt.
Well... he's probably been greatly compensated, AND, he's now a minor Star Wars celebrity.
@@WesMordine Yea your right.
HOW COULD YOU NOT MEME WIN "THE SACRED TEXTS!?!?!"
YEEESSSS
DO IT!!
Its rewind time
*impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete*
Another note on the bombs in the first sequence: They're on rails, which I always took as a magnetic rail system to deliver them. They're not even being dropped, they're being launched.
Patrick McGraw interesting
EXACTLY!!...
Which begs more questions. Why launch them so slow? Why they accelerate after leaving the rails? Why not shoot them at higher speeds? Why are the ships so slow?
@@Veellinn Hey man they had budget cuts after the New Republic got destroyed.
@@Veellinn because StarWars man. it doesnt matter hahaha why having AT-AT's when you can just shoot at the revels from the sky. same deal.
I actually really loved the little comedy sketch in the start for a number of meta reasons --
1, it's some MUCH needed levity for a VERY heavy movie, without which, we wouldn't really feel the seriousness of everyone's lowest point (esp Poe's descent into despair and mutiny)
2, excellent establishing character moments for BOTH Poe and Hux -- Poe has this very 'Aladdin' type cunning, where he talks and tricks his way into advantages, BUT, it's also not without it's flaws and weaknesses, while Hux is extremely focused on things basically going his way, according to his PLANS, and anything that challenges his sense of order and hierarchy doesn't just throw him, it makes him personally angry.
3, contrasting the exact type of worldview of the Resistance and the First Order -- one being a loose chain of command, but still with individual autonomy of the people, and the other being so strict and harsh that even when the lower officer points out the obvious, it's almost like he's tiptoeing around a fear that he might get in trouble for speaking out of turn.
It's all great!
40:13 YES. Luke spends most of ROTJ *really* teetering on the edge of the Dark Side, and I think a lot of people don't get that. And it's not just how he shows up wearing all black and stealing his dad's signature move. His entire plan to rescue Han seems to assume violence. His destruction of the sail barge was absolutely unnecessary, over the top, and frankly seems to echo Anakin's slaughter of the Tuskens. Everyone scoffs when Luke calls himself a Jedi, and they're right to. He is ONLY acknowledged as a Jedi at the end, when he throws his lightsaber away.
In the end, Luke DID have too much of his Father in him. He had a better heart than Anakin, and had a better upbringing. He meant well. But he was always quick to turn to violence. Couple that with his tendency to "look away, to the future, never his mind on where he was" and it becomes quite believable that in a moment of weakness, a Luke bordering on panic that Ben could turn into another Vader would regress and make a dumb mistake.
This is an interesting take on Luke. +1. However, when Luke went into a rage and almost killed Vader, he was lashing out at one of the most evil people in the Galaxy (Vader stood by and allowed planetary genocide) after that person threatened his sister while his friends were being massacred (more or less) in front of his eyes. That's a far cry from "I'm going to kill my adolescent nephew in his sleep." OTOH, Kylo didn't just defeat Luke and make his escape; he immediately murdered all of Luke's other students, and he already had the "Knights of Ren" to help him do it. So maybe Luke should have actually killed Kid Hitler, lol. Still, in this interpretation, Luke was never really cut out to be a Jedi, and only barely managed to fill the role for a few moments in his life. "Leia, we should have trained." :)
The "haters" are going on the interpretation that Luke completed a Campbellian Hero's Journey, faced and integrated his Shadow (in the Jungian sense), and thus should have leveled-up to Mentor (Gandalf, Dumbledore) status by this time. In the new Trilogy, the Campbellian arcs for everybody are erased (e.g. Han also reverts to his previous life as a lone-wolf smuggler with Chewie at his side, Leia's back to being a leader of a small Rebellion).
And for that matter, so did the Galaxy as a whole: the Rebellion's "victory" in ROTJ comes to nothing, and the rebranded Empire is stronger than ever. This is a bit more like real life. There are no happy endings, the wheel of history just keeps turning. Instead of defeating the Nazis and living happily ever after, we went straight into the Cold War, followed by the War on Terror, and now, a global(ish) turn toward the authoritarian Right. We have Nazis marching in our streets killing people, and a President who thinks there are "good people" on their side. So yeah.
Kevin Crady you should work for CinemaWins along with Jason Blalock. 1 hour ago I was set to buy every copy of this movie I could, just to burn them all so they wouldn't be able to pollute any future young minds. Now, well, now I see the story in full. Thanks, fellas! Didn't want to live my whole life thinking Star Wars was turned into a dumpster fire!
Amazing how far people have to stretch things out to justify idiocy...destroying a barge is equivalent to mass murdering living things...god damn thats some serious stupidity.
YES! I wonder if this could also be connected to Uncle Owen's reluctance to send Luke to the academy back in A New Hope. He admits that he's afraid of Luke having too much of his father in him. I wonder how often Luke lashed out at home while he was growing up in a way that was over the top, but at the time was mistaken for teen angst by the fan base. Also remember that Luke in ROTC is about the same age as Anakin in Attack of the Clones, give or take a few months - so, they did follow the same pattern ( :O ).
@Jason Blalock
Luke gave Jabba two chances to give Han up and avoid unnecessary violence. Jabba threatened him with Death both times. And I disagree that his destruction of the sail barge was on the same moral level as Anakin's Tusken slaughter. Anakin killed not only warriors, but children and caregivers who were no threat to him at all. Everyone on the sail barge (except maybe Salacious Crumb) was a threat to Luke on some level and he had enough to worry about with the empire...I would have done the same.
You're a really good guy, you know that? Seriously. You are lovely, and you do good work. Subscribing, not for the win count, but for every wise and respectful word on humanity and common decency after.
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Also small detail I noticed on my third viewing, when Rey and kylo first ‘force Skype’ the light on both their faces make the yin and yang symbol
Ciaran Lawlor I think people will like the film more when they let go of their owns expectations and look at the film more for what it is and understand the point of it. That’s all made clear in this video. Prejudice and personal expectations by fans will destroy the point that a story is trying to make.
ArcticAngel1 very well said
Ciaran Lawlor That’s how people should always look at movies & stories and should’ve looked at them from the very beginning back then. Whether they like it or not.
holy crap really? i need to check this
@@arcticangel1628 My only expectation is a well written story with consistent world building and characters.
one of the main themes is overcoming despite failure, poeple are tested and they falter but they never fail to grow and try again in the name of love
The conclusion after the wins...God, this is why I love this channel. You're one of the people in this place that actually inspire us to be better and teach us to see the good things. I can't tell how much your channel has changed my POV for the better and made me learn how to let go of hate and to not let myself be dragged by a wave of rage consuming fans that only inspired me to feel angrier and angrier with things. Thank you for existing, CinemaWins.I can't wait to see your commentary on Episode IX!
I could talk for hours about Rise of Skywalker as it's packed with story and mythology from both the new Disney canon and story elements clearly inspired from the orginal legends canon some I would say were basically directly lifted from it, it also has a lot of subtle tie backs to the prequels some pretty massive and many callbacks and homages to the OT.
Rise of Skywalker left no one out it honors the entire franchise literally elements from both canons basically bringing them together and in spirit concluding both canons. It completes the image of the ST. TFA is a celebration of the OT, TLJ severes those ties while tying heavily into the ideas of the prequels and Rise of Skywalker is inspired by both EU canons, the ST represents a celebration of everything Star Wars before finally saying having us say goodbye to over 40 years of Star Wars stories.
The Saga ends the story lives forever.
A lot of people missed this, but at 5:44 when leah goes through the hologram, it's foreshadowing
Leia*
Nice catch
I'm not a hobo Ok Foreshadowing for what? Please tell me. I want to know.
@@sambridgers9543 for Holdo's kamikaze approach to deal with the First Order.
angie44551 Because Leia went through the hologram.
You have no idea how much I needed this video today, thanks for awesome content as always
This is the best Star Wars film since Empire. Rian did a fantastic job with what he was left with. He didn't place Luke alone and out of the first movie. But he took it and gave me unepected just like what Empire did. IT was unexpected. Hope in time the world will see how great this film is. - Toronto, Canada.
I Hope so too. The Movie is amazing
Holy CRAP you put a lot of effort into this video. And it really shows. Thank you
Bad Weather Gamer I mean the dude was working on it for over a year
@@jonweik4840 yeah. And I'm pretty sure it's his longest video yet
Even though I hate this movie, there is no need to attack you.
Yes, I watched the entire video
Yes, I know where you come from with your arguments
No, I do not agree with your opinion entirely
No, I won't hate you or your content.
Enjoy your day!
The internet needs more people like you.
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I think this should be normal human behavior, but thank you for taking your time to answer me mister!
@@marcelmichel7423 Not a problem.
You my friend...are a true star wars fan
Where have you been for the last year?! I’ve been searching for an actual mature fan who can respectfully disagree with this movie!
On the topic of Mark Hamill originally disliking what they did to Luke, people also seem to forget that both Ford and Guiness hated Star Wars
The thing is Hamill actualy loved his role and felt gutted when they ruined his character, Ford and Guiness didn't like star wars from the get go.
@@nemijs It really isn't...
Mark Hamill initially didnt like the way Luke was handled but Ryan Johnson won him over eventually. This is how Movies work. Sometimes actors and directors disagree on stuff.
The Problem is that any time Mark Hamill said something remotely negative about the movie these quotes were put out of context and used as "evidence" that he hates the Movie. But most of those quotes change dramatically when you read/hear the entirety of the interview and not just a tiny part of it.
MrSamHu nailed it, pretty annoying to see all these clips taken out of context to perpetuate the narrative that Hamill “hates” this film
@Ian L dude... he said that Ryan won him over in literally the exact same interview where his "i fundamentally disagree with everything" comment is quoted from. It is the next thing he says.
@Ian L yes let the hate flow through you
P. S. I like what he did with Luke
I thought that I was the only person who liked this movie and thanks to this video I now love it! Thank you