Yeah, because they all suck as players xD I remember a video from Holinka back in the day and he was keyboard turning while showing off some new arena or something.
@@nottomclancy2439 There's 3 blizz devs that I know of that are current/last season gladiators and have multiple glad titles. Of the ones I know, there's a feral druid, a ret paladin and a disc priest - I'm sure there's more.
@@dualmouseman i mean 3 out of what? Couple hundred devs? is not really alot. And is basically non-impactful, aka, blizz devs still dont play or just flat out suck at PvP, making it very hard to balance in both a fun and competetive way
We heard your voices loud and clear, so we added a text line to the hero talent which states it restores 2 charge now, bug fixed, also evoker gets 10% dmg buff to compensate the long text
(Dev's note) we realize this has probably been very frustrating for evoker players, so we decided to add 30 days of game time to the account of any player with over 100 hours of play time on an evoker. Hugs and kisses!
DE: Cast on the move, can't be slowed, top damage and slows up to 80% (lasts up to 3 secs), sometimes up to 3 targets. SP: stand still with almost no mobility (and can be slowed at any point), slow 1 target with MF up to 50% (doing 0 damage) or sometimes with MFi up to only 70% (for 1,5 secs) Balance of all things
Blizzard keeps telling us that balance isn't possible and then you look at this garbage. I bet it is possible to at least make it SOMEWHAT PLAYABLE lol... DOGSHIT GAME.
As an SP main, its an annoyance. Everything rn has so much mobility, and yea priests do have stuff... but if we are slowed at all we cant move lol. It pains me so much, it didnt feel as bad till now
As a DK, I can pretty much erase someone else's mobility. But I cant touch evoker. They get hover and it makes them completely immune to snare or deathgrip and it never seems to end. What is up with that?
Bro I hadnt played dragonflight and used to play dk before. Q'd into these dragons and was baffled by wtf was going on. DK's whole spiel is disrupting enemy movement but their immunity to that stuff feels like it never ends.
@@ilrichard im an afflock. I like seeing DK's suffer. Im not concerned about my matchup with other ranged classes. You spend the first 30 seconds completely unkiteable, completely immune to all of my damage, and inescapable with 200000 grips. its nice to see you suffer cause you have NO IDEA how frustrating it is to have a DK just ZUG across the arena @ you right from the opening bell, and be unable to do anything about it. 20 seconds of AMS from DK and horsemen, blanket silence on 45 second cd, anti magic zone, low cd interrupts, pet stun, ranged 70% snare, frost disorient and stun, and if you manage bysome miracl to get distance, its just an instant grip back. And while this is all happening, massive damage is being dropped into your face. You have no fucking idea how oppressive you are to DoT based casters, it literally makes the game unplayable. Cant CC you, cant out damage you, cant run from you.
That and the fact he is a caster who literally do not cast. Its just instant orb into instant Ice lance and instant flurry and then you are dead. Flawless design from Blizz POV for sure.
Why don't snares have DR? It's actually wild. Also in PvP you shouldn't be able to be reduced below 50% movement speed. They should add a PvP embellishment/gem to make that 75%. This is why PvP participation plummets because stuff like this goes live and Blizz doesn't fix it immediately. Many melee players don't reroll they just unsub when they can't play. PS - Evokers were a mistake. Just bad for the game.
I know fury does stupid damage, but playing with my rsham friend against hunters, prevokers and mages feels really, really bad. I dont know how they can leave the game in this state tbh
I think the game is back to a bit of rock paper scisors, I'm playing mage, evoker and shadow priest, and for example on the mage you can literally shit on most melees , but fighting a hunter or warlock feels miserable.
Dueling warriors as evoker felt so broken in pre patch. On aug they literally cannot catch you, having shroud and the anti kick pvp talent is just way too strong. Two of the best pvp talents in the game on the same class. Dumb.
@@hissoka3138 as a warlock. fighting most melee's feels miserable. ESPECIALLY DK's and warriors. Dk's its fucking ridiculous. like 20 seconds of AMS, 10000 grips, stuns, ranged 70% snare, blanket silence, interupts, an anti magic zone, and HUGE damage. Like, u get gripped, and literally cannot do anything but port and run for almost a full fucking minute, meanwhile he is bashing ur face in
@@estebanslavidastic4382and you can’t even run, bc you’re too snared. And if you port away, he will grip you back. And if you use your other port, he’ll grip right again. And you can’t really cast into his spamming damage and 1000 pets. And he’s always immune to your damage and CC. Dumb class that even the most mobile classes can’t scape
The issue with the state of PvP right now, in my opinion, is that way too many abilities have built in CC outside of their intended button press. And most of the slows are so radical that it's down to a crawl, and if it was anymore of a slow it would technically be considered a root. I play Arms Warrior (and I'm not trying to sound elitist about my class choice, just making a point now), and if I want to slow someone it is a button I press that is specifically designed to slow them. It costs me that global cooldown to slow them. If I play, virtually any other class almost, the slow effect is built-in to 50% of my damage abilities, and slow as much as Hamstring or more. It makes me thing of this hero talent, that Slayer has, which causes charge to remove snares (with a cooldown before it can happen again). I tried playing with it. I am not lying when I tell you that within half a second of charging, I was slowed again. There is too much passive effects and non-conscious effects going on that almost makes any player seem like they know what they're doing -- in the example of an Invoker having 3 buttons to press to avoid/slow/CC the Warrior, for every 1 button the Warrior has to gap close. I realize all classes have their matchups that reminds people of rock/paper/scissor, and I'm keeping that in mind. What I experience as a Warrior into Devastation, Frost Mage, Hunter, might be equally as bad as what a Mage experience into a Hunter or a Warlock, but my point still stands on the general scope of how the design intent is behind abilities and their effects. If every, or close to every, slow effect had to be a conscious choice and not a side-effect of your DPS rotation, it would loosen up the global cooldown game and also reduce how massively explosive games can be, and people would be more conscious about their spell usage, positioning and so much else. It's a silly meta that's evolving, and I honestly don't see Blizzard making such radical changes to circumvent it, so at this point it's just a matter of living with it.
Hi, hunter here, I thought I'd mention this since you lumped us in with mage and deva, none of the hunter dps button have a slow connected to them. On top of that for our own mobility we only have a disengage and a 3min aspect of cheetah xD. Not saying hunter is weak btw just tired of the warr tears when you're playing one of the most oppressive classes that can stick on top of pretty much any range except devoker and obviously that normal and fine by you. Ask any other ranged how fun it for them to not be able to cast a single thing nor kite you all game.
@@dualmouseman it was never intended to be a class balance issue. It's much more a design discussion. You're right, Hunters are not as mobile as the others mentioned. Mages, Evokers, and even Warlocks to an extent, do not have issues with Warriors sticking to them. But again, it's not about that, like my post said as well, it can feel a lot like rock, paper, scissors. What you say about Hunters just speaks to my point. You consciously slow if that is your desired effect. Much like Warriors with Hamstring. Rogues auto slow, Mages auto slow, Druids auto slow, Evokers auto slow etc. And by auto slow I mean just by doing a DPS rotation they are also crowd controlling. Might as well bring mace spec back then.
@@Digirave Yeah tbh I do agree with you though, "auto slow" as you put it does suck and adds nothing meaningful or interesting to the gameplay, just annoyance ;p
Warriors literally can’t touch frost mages, evokers, or hunters meaning 25% of the classes they don’t have a fighting chance. But better nerf warriors some more. It’s oppressive when you literally can’t play the game and you’re stuck getting f@$ked the whole time. Warrior damage should be high because when one finally connects after 5 minutes of waddling around then it needs to make an impact.
Warriors smash everyone's face in and have a multitude of tools to get in range to smash face and stay there. The odd time you do manage to make some distance, they have defensives till they can get back in range to smash faces again. Seems like a skill issue to me.
How is a warrior stuck the whole time go read some tooltips dude and learn your spec what is probably fury faceroll spec 99% of being a good player is learn your class
Since you guys know how to play warrior then how do you fight something like frost mage or dev evoker in 3s and not get kiting and not die. Your always out of mobility, your always snared, both casters peel each other, you offer no cleave damage compared to everything else.
Evokers are literally just demon hunters but casters… I still remember when DHs first came out. You couldn’t kite them but they could kite you forever + they have blur. I miss the days when kiting mechanics actually required brain powwr
Putting DR on slows would make this class harder to catch, they need to accept that adding this class is a massive mistake and remove it or rework the fuck out of it.
I find it crazy that hunter, the class that should have thee most mobility out of all the classes, has the least. Everyone has 2-3 gap closers now but hunter still has one disengage. I’ve played hunter for years and just to beat a warrior now is a struggle with 2 charges a leap, roots etc
bruv lol WHAT!? CoE lasts 12 seconds in pvp, its dispellable or removeable by like, almost every class, and its only a 50% snare unless you amplify curse which has a 1 minute cooldown.
Frost Mage is nothing like as busted as Dev. At least with Mage, you know it's 2 blocks, you know it's 4 or 5 blinks depending on the Alter Time useage. You know what the burst looks like, and how to avoid it. With Dev, nothing seems real. Nothing seems coordinated, burst is just the same spell but with a proc and some modifiers, and the stupid mobility literally never ends.
I tried enh yesterday all excited for the buffs, got kited across the whole BG by an undergeared dev evoker. I literally couldnt catch him.... Went back to my lock ASAP 😭
Yep, the buffs seem fun at first, and then you realise you just can't even touch anyone. Not even touch them, you can't even move half the time. Standing still waiting to die. That's what Enhance feels like.
Doing my 1600 grind in blitz on my ww monk felt like I was slowed or rooted constantly, tigers lust would remove a root every 30 seconds but god damn using it and then getting rooted immediately after you just got out of a root is so infuriating.
Thank god you posted about this Ven. fighting dev/unholy has been a nightmare, even as a feral. If a FERAL of all specs can't keep up with someone what the fuck is going on.
As a Warlock main, I thrive when I see melee struggle with connecting, as a vast majority of specs have far too much mobility and uptime (not to mention micro CC). That being said, Frost Mages and Dev Evokers are an absolute joke right now, truly toxic. Dare I say on par with Blood DK in past expansions? Anyway, this looks like an awful experience and I hated watching it, so I can only imagine how unfun it was to experience it.
This perfectly depicts how bad Blizzard is at designing abilities. They start from the bottom and work up, that's not how you should design ability interactions. You need to start at the top and work down. What end result do you want? Then branch out how you achieve that.
For a pvp game, yes, but clearly blizzard chose to put esports om the shelf for now and focuse on some pve and solo content for this expansion. The talent tree returning way back was a clear hint at this as complexity in talents makes balancing infinately more difficult. The mop era talents served pvp incredibly well but also caused classes to be much too similar and it took away alot of the rp out of rpg
I got a solo shuffle with two devastation evokers, a frost mage and a marksman hunter as a wind walker monk I legit could not play the game. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this was insane!
Remember that blizzard removed cast and run lightning bolt, and KJC which actually slowed the warlock while move-casting. Yet they'll go and add stuff like this lol
It's amazing how much more mobility and kicks and cc melee have to keep a caster from playing g get once there is a spec that counts a melee it's let's cry about not being an easy target
How you feel in this video is how a lot of PvP players have felt for years. Like why am I playing this. I did skip SL and DF and giving TWW a try but again Blizz... what are you doing??!!
Best part is, blizz will likely see complaints about this. Their way of fixing it will be: Oh looks like monks can't catch up to the dragons huh, let's give monks a little bit more mobility to conquer this issue - which then leads to the issue that monks has too much mobility for other ranged classes. So what do they do? well now they have to give them even more mobility/teleports/slows. This is on repeat and soon we're all gonna be flying spaceships in the arena (Except for warlocks though they forgot their mobility in MOP) But hey! soon we can all be dragons doublejumping as all classes so that's cool!
Well I mean as a warlock main I've been pretty btfo'd by melee for years now without any real recourse. So seeing this against a warrior and monk was quite satisfying. I bet they were screaming
At this point warrior needs a talent for every second shared increases cd reduction for charge. If you perma snare warrior it will stack to like 800% cd reduction for war
Marks hunter and Affliction locks are wildly out performing frost mage in practically all content. While I didn't want them buffed, I do not think any of their incoming nerfs are warranted. If anything, Glacial / Ray should have been buffed slightly to make it worth casting.
To add insult to injury, I also play Recall talent, which allows me teleport to my original location once I finish Deep Breath. It is especially nasty in BGs.
I main a Fury Warrior. Played a solo shuffle the other day against Dev Evoker, MM Hunter, Frost Mage. I basically just sat in roots or slow walked to my target 90% of the game.
Everyone just about frost mages, but U all forgot when FIREmages could basically stun lock someone without end with the right talent setup and fitting gear --- it was so fun to be able to destroy max lvl melees while I was levels below xD
I can confirm as a melee main (ret, fury, dk) playing against evok feels like you are playing against a character from a different game. It’s completely impossible to track everything they do and catching them in cc for cleave is basically impossible.
The evoker archetype fits we've always had dragonkin type humanoids, but these abilities and powers just don't belong in wow. Evoker on all specs is an absolute monster. S tier every spec. Beyond outplaying if they have a brain.
No Blizzard pvp dev knows what's going on with pvp and they get paid for it, we have abominations like dk unholy, lock afflick, feral druid, hunter MM completely broken. And then we have little windwalker monk struggling to breathe.
Ive been away from retail for about 2 years, thought id give tww a try but after seeing this I think ill pass. Ty for posting this. You just saved me 80 euros.
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Warrior tried to leave the game, but you got him with a 90% snare.
Clearly a class that does not belong to warcraft... just feels like an alien ..
I'm so sick of wow brining in new classes. just keep what we got add more races if you want
FACT!
The new classes play more like an action game and the old ones still feel like a tab target old school mmo.
@@rosemorningstar5368 Facts.
💯 does not belong in wow.
No blizzard devs play PvP lol
Yeah, because they all suck as players xD I remember a video from Holinka back in the day and he was keyboard turning while showing off some new arena or something.
@@nottomclancy2439 There's 3 blizz devs that I know of that are current/last season gladiators and have multiple glad titles. Of the ones I know, there's a feral druid, a ret paladin and a disc priest - I'm sure there's more.
@@Kurnhelios Don't break his delusions... how is he going to feel superior and cope for his bad skills now that he's been hit with facts :O
@@dualmouseman i mean 3 out of what? Couple hundred devs? is not really alot. And is basically non-impactful, aka, blizz devs still dont play or just flat out suck at PvP, making it very hard to balance in both a fun and competetive way
@@purreb5518 that's the 3 he personally knows.... but whatever you gotta tell yourself to feel better :)
this video definitely made me realize i will not be playing 2v2s this season, thanks for saving me the pain Ven
its fun, just dont play w heals unless youre feral, udk, afflock
Same. I’m saving myself the agony and frustration and I just won’t be playing.
2s should never be taken seriously
How fucked is it when melee have to play pillar while casters sit center map
thats how its always been...?
I mean, as a melee sometimes you need to run pillar unless you’re playing against bad casters
@slugfest513 sure but the majority of my experience the last 17 years has been chasing casters around pillars, not the other way around
@@CPhrost don’t get me wrong, Evoker was a mistake
@@CPhrost casters usually want to kite out in the open, htat leaves them open to be healed and open to CC/hard switch to other targets
Bros passing out 90% snares like he’s Oprah
Wow pvp is so fun!
90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare…
so true pal , and sad
Try to play enhancement shaman against all this cc
this is why I;ll never touch arena again. Need objectives at least
@@solarflare2199 :-/ ANd I just came back to WoW to try it out again...
@@random135246coward
We heard your voices loud and clear, so we added a text line to the hero talent which states it restores 2 charge now, bug fixed, also evoker gets 10% dmg buff to compensate the long text
(Dev's note) we realize this has probably been very frustrating for evoker players, so we decided to add 30 days of game time to the account of any player with over 100 hours of play time on an evoker. Hugs and kisses!
Devastation evoker got disintegrate buff in PvE and 20% nerf in PvP. So nerfed by 10% total in PvP
In addition we are passing out a further 3% nerf to all warrior damage regardless of source
Two things that are broken :
1. Wow PvP devs
2. Refer to #1
devs and devs are broken, if you catch my drift. kek
DE: Cast on the move, can't be slowed, top damage and slows up to 80% (lasts up to 3 secs), sometimes up to 3 targets.
SP: stand still with almost no mobility (and can be slowed at any point), slow 1 target with MF up to 50% (doing 0 damage) or sometimes with MFi up to only 70% (for 1,5 secs)
Balance of all things
Makes me cry
They cancel it each other out. Balance brought to the mobility force. As all things should be.
@@jeff230394 ???
Blizzard keeps telling us that balance isn't possible and then you look at this garbage. I bet it is possible to at least make it SOMEWHAT PLAYABLE lol...
DOGSHIT GAME.
As an SP main, its an annoyance. Everything rn has so much mobility, and yea priests do have stuff... but if we are slowed at all we cant move lol. It pains me so much, it didnt feel as bad till now
As a DK, I can pretty much erase someone else's mobility. But I cant touch evoker. They get hover and it makes them completely immune to snare or deathgrip and it never seems to end. What is up with that?
Bro I hadnt played dragonflight and used to play dk before. Q'd into these dragons and was baffled by wtf was going on. DK's whole spiel is disrupting enemy movement but their immunity to that stuff feels like it never ends.
Really how so ? I got gripped every time. Note that i copy Ven built. Evoker is not immune to grip.
good. Dk's are frickin stupid broken.
@@estebanslavidastic4382 not sure why that is good. If dks are so broken and can't even close distance on these guys, what chance do you have?
@@ilrichard im an afflock. I like seeing DK's suffer. Im not concerned about my matchup with other ranged classes.
You spend the first 30 seconds completely unkiteable, completely immune to all of my damage, and inescapable with 200000 grips.
its nice to see you suffer cause you have NO IDEA how frustrating it is to have a DK just ZUG across the arena @ you right from the opening bell, and be unable to do anything about it.
20 seconds of AMS from DK and horsemen, blanket silence on 45 second cd, anti magic zone, low cd interrupts, pet stun, ranged 70% snare, frost disorient and stun,
and if you manage bysome miracl to get distance, its just an instant grip back.
And while this is all happening, massive damage is being dropped into your face.
You have no fucking idea how oppressive you are to DoT based casters, it literally makes the game unplayable. Cant CC you, cant out damage you, cant run from you.
Evokers and frost mages are infuriating as a melee
You know a spec is broken when youre able to completely shutdown a ww monk by kiting him
And I don’t feel Bad for ww at all 😂
@@SavageGameHawk😂😂
Channeling through objects that would be los to casts needs to be fixed.
I really wanted to pvp this season, until I encountered a frost mage and he unlimited blinked kited me.
That and the fact he is a caster who literally do not cast. Its just instant orb into instant Ice lance and instant flurry and then you are dead. Flawless design from Blizz POV for sure.
my sleep paralysis demon for the next 2 weeks: 90% snare
they remove the 70% slow from ret but then do this with evoker
What talent is it that rets have, didn’t think they used to have a snare, but it’s really annoying
It’s just way too relatable watching you trying to hit him on your monk 🤣
You just don't know how to play this game. you need more practice
sure buddy, I’m sure you and your network of multi expansion challengers rejects know
Yeah this is some of the stupidest balance I have ever seen... I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Evoker as a whole is busted for PVP.
Why don't snares have DR? It's actually wild. Also in PvP you shouldn't be able to be reduced below 50% movement speed. They should add a PvP embellishment/gem to make that 75%. This is why PvP participation plummets because stuff like this goes live and Blizz doesn't fix it immediately. Many melee players don't reroll they just unsub when they can't play.
PS - Evokers were a mistake. Just bad for the game.
take a shot everytime venruki says "90 percent snare"
Watching ven rage at the evoler tech was the funniest shit. I felt that 100% man hahaha
No snare or slow should ever be more than 70%
As a fury warrior I agree devoted evokers are broken
I agree the rogue snare is just as stupid.
50%****
I know fury does stupid damage, but playing with my rsham friend against hunters, prevokers and mages feels really, really bad. I dont know how they can leave the game in this state tbh
I think the game is back to a bit of rock paper scisors, I'm playing mage, evoker and shadow priest, and for example on the mage you can literally shit on most melees , but fighting a hunter or warlock feels miserable.
@@hissoka3138 It does feel that way with classes.
Dueling warriors as evoker felt so broken in pre patch. On aug they literally cannot catch you, having shroud and the anti kick pvp talent is just way too strong. Two of the best pvp talents in the game on the same class. Dumb.
@@hissoka3138 as a warlock. fighting most melee's feels miserable. ESPECIALLY DK's and warriors.
Dk's its fucking ridiculous. like 20 seconds of AMS, 10000 grips, stuns, ranged 70% snare, blanket silence, interupts, an anti magic zone, and HUGE damage.
Like, u get gripped, and literally cannot do anything but port and run for almost a full fucking minute, meanwhile he is bashing ur face in
@@estebanslavidastic4382and you can’t even run, bc you’re too snared. And if you port away, he will grip you back. And if you use your other port, he’ll grip right again. And you can’t really cast into his spamming damage and 1000 pets. And he’s always immune to your damage and CC. Dumb class that even the most mobile classes can’t scape
90% Snare
Haaha yeah sounds Like gladiatorLSA lol
How much snare??? 😅
Watching that guy bladestorm away to hide behind a pillar broke my heart ngl. Evoker is so busted.
Remember when a shaman casting while moving was a problem?
You would do everything you could to purge spiritwalkers because you knew how good it was. Now they hand it out to all the Down syndrome kids.
" 90% snare"
Took the warrior almost 3 minutes to try and hide behind pillar against a ranged character. Truly a pvp experience.
The issue with the state of PvP right now, in my opinion, is that way too many abilities have built in CC outside of their intended button press. And most of the slows are so radical that it's down to a crawl, and if it was anymore of a slow it would technically be considered a root.
I play Arms Warrior (and I'm not trying to sound elitist about my class choice, just making a point now), and if I want to slow someone it is a button I press that is specifically designed to slow them. It costs me that global cooldown to slow them. If I play, virtually any other class almost, the slow effect is built-in to 50% of my damage abilities, and slow as much as Hamstring or more.
It makes me thing of this hero talent, that Slayer has, which causes charge to remove snares (with a cooldown before it can happen again). I tried playing with it. I am not lying when I tell you that within half a second of charging, I was slowed again. There is too much passive effects and non-conscious effects going on that almost makes any player seem like they know what they're doing -- in the example of an Invoker having 3 buttons to press to avoid/slow/CC the Warrior, for every 1 button the Warrior has to gap close.
I realize all classes have their matchups that reminds people of rock/paper/scissor, and I'm keeping that in mind. What I experience as a Warrior into Devastation, Frost Mage, Hunter, might be equally as bad as what a Mage experience into a Hunter or a Warlock, but my point still stands on the general scope of how the design intent is behind abilities and their effects. If every, or close to every, slow effect had to be a conscious choice and not a side-effect of your DPS rotation, it would loosen up the global cooldown game and also reduce how massively explosive games can be, and people would be more conscious about their spell usage, positioning and so much else.
It's a silly meta that's evolving, and I honestly don't see Blizzard making such radical changes to circumvent it, so at this point it's just a matter of living with it.
Hi, hunter here, I thought I'd mention this since you lumped us in with mage and deva, none of the hunter dps button have a slow connected to them. On top of that for our own mobility we only have a disengage and a 3min aspect of cheetah xD. Not saying hunter is weak btw just tired of the warr tears when you're playing one of the most oppressive classes that can stick on top of pretty much any range except devoker and obviously that normal and fine by you. Ask any other ranged how fun it for them to not be able to cast a single thing nor kite you all game.
@@dualmouseman it was never intended to be a class balance issue. It's much more a design discussion. You're right, Hunters are not as mobile as the others mentioned. Mages, Evokers, and even Warlocks to an extent, do not have issues with Warriors sticking to them. But again, it's not about that, like my post said as well, it can feel a lot like rock, paper, scissors.
What you say about Hunters just speaks to my point. You consciously slow if that is your desired effect. Much like Warriors with Hamstring. Rogues auto slow, Mages auto slow, Druids auto slow, Evokers auto slow etc. And by auto slow I mean just by doing a DPS rotation they are also crowd controlling. Might as well bring mace spec back then.
@@Digirave Yeah tbh I do agree with you though, "auto slow" as you put it does suck and adds nothing meaningful or interesting to the gameplay, just annoyance ;p
Warriors literally can’t touch frost mages, evokers, or hunters meaning 25% of the classes they don’t have a fighting chance. But better nerf warriors some more. It’s oppressive when you literally can’t play the game and you’re stuck getting f@$ked the whole time. Warrior damage should be high because when one finally connects after 5 minutes of waddling around then it needs to make an impact.
Warriors are still one of the best melees atm.
Warriors smash everyone's face in and have a multitude of tools to get in range to smash face and stay there. The odd time you do manage to make some distance, they have defensives till they can get back in range to smash faces again. Seems like a skill issue to me.
lol just lol. you have plenty tools if used properly to negate snares. you cant be an unstoppable recking ball every fucking expansion.
How is a warrior stuck the whole time go read some tooltips dude and learn your spec what is probably fury faceroll spec 99% of being a good player is learn your class
Since you guys know how to play warrior then how do you fight something like frost mage or dev evoker in 3s and not get kiting and not die. Your always out of mobility, your always snared, both casters peel each other, you offer no cleave damage compared to everything else.
Evokers are literally just demon hunters but casters… I still remember when DHs first came out. You couldn’t kite them but they could kite you forever + they have blur. I miss the days when kiting mechanics actually required brain powwr
They've got to nerf this crap. Or put some type of dr on slows. Perma slow at 90% is insane. Whoever let that pass needs to be evaluated
Putting DR on slows would make this class harder to catch, they need to accept that adding this class is a massive mistake and remove it or rework the fuck out of it.
When I first fought an Evoker in Dragonflight as a Hunter I couldn't believe the mobility. Now in this expansion shooting a dragon seems futile
I find it crazy that hunter, the class that should have thee most mobility out of all the classes, has the least. Everyone has 2-3 gap closers now but hunter still has one disengage. I’ve played hunter for years and just to beat a warrior now is a struggle with 2 charges a leap, roots etc
@@martinolivares1567 Guys ele sham is a problem right now
@@martinolivares1567 trap, feign death, aspect of cheetah, knockback, multiple pvp talents + disengage...
@@martinolivares1567gotta Use your steel and tar traps. I can keep melee off me the whole entire game
@@MaxJansen-kw6qs in a real 3v3 scenario above 2400 you’re not getting away from a unholy dk shaman ret or any of the mele comps with a shaman
Just as frustrating as curse of exhaustion which lasts forever.
bruv lol WHAT!? CoE lasts 12 seconds in pvp, its dispellable or removeable by like, almost every class, and its only a 50% snare unless you amplify curse which has a 1 minute cooldown.
the funniest part of watching this is that Ven isn't even playing the the class that well. haha
Frost Mage is nothing like as busted as Dev. At least with Mage, you know it's 2 blocks, you know it's 4 or 5 blinks depending on the Alter Time useage. You know what the burst looks like, and how to avoid it. With Dev, nothing seems real. Nothing seems coordinated, burst is just the same spell but with a proc and some modifiers, and the stupid mobility literally never ends.
My boss called me today and i just kept saying 90% snare until he hung up the phone
I tried enh yesterday all excited for the buffs, got kited across the whole BG by an undergeared dev evoker. I literally couldnt catch him....
Went back to my lock ASAP 😭
Yep, the buffs seem fun at first, and then you realise you just can't even touch anyone. Not even touch them, you can't even move half the time. Standing still waiting to die. That's what Enhance feels like.
@@StrobeFireStudioseven warrior felt like that against an undergrared evoker. I couldn’t move or catch him, as he just melted me down for free
Doing my 1600 grind in blitz on my ww monk felt like I was slowed or rooted constantly, tigers lust would remove a root every 30 seconds but god damn using it and then getting rooted immediately after you just got out of a root is so infuriating.
Rodeo is the best option
Thank god you posted about this Ven. fighting dev/unholy has been a nightmare, even as a feral. If a FERAL of all specs can't keep up with someone what the fuck is going on.
I love listening to casters cry that melee get too much uptime and then this stuff exists.
This priest is literally the drenched in sweat keyboard kid meme during the monk game.
I only play warrior and this is why I never touch arena. Even if there's no Evoker you'll still be cc'd into oblivion 9 out of 10 games.
Next time wife gets mad and me and then tries to walk away....90% snare.
This is how the game should be played though. That war should be sitting on pillar. Not trying to chase and staying in middle to get freecasted on.
This is what you get when you give each class like a bazillion abilities. Everyone can heal, snare , cc etc..
As a Warlock main, I thrive when I see melee struggle with connecting, as a vast majority of specs have far too much mobility and uptime (not to mention micro CC). That being said, Frost Mages and Dev Evokers are an absolute joke right now, truly toxic. Dare I say on par with Blood DK in past expansions? Anyway, this looks like an awful experience and I hated watching it, so I can only imagine how unfun it was to experience it.
I can't help but listen to Ven during that entire monk game and think "this is literally what casters say 90% of the time they get into an arena"
Spell reflect didn’t even make Venruki hesitate or stop casting. Just kept zugging.
Clearly a skill issue ... I'm talking about the skill Hover, it's an issue
This perfectly depicts how bad Blizzard is at designing abilities. They start from the bottom and work up, that's not how you should design ability interactions. You need to start at the top and work down. What end result do you want? Then branch out how you achieve that.
For a pvp game, yes, but clearly blizzard chose to put esports om the shelf for now and focuse on some pve and solo content for this expansion. The talent tree returning way back was a clear hint at this as complexity in talents makes balancing infinately more difficult. The mop era talents served pvp incredibly well but also caused classes to be much too similar and it took away alot of the rp out of rpg
I got a solo shuffle with two devastation evokers, a frost mage and a marksman hunter as a wind walker monk I legit could not play the game. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this was insane!
Remember that blizzard removed cast and run lightning bolt, and KJC which actually slowed the warlock while move-casting. Yet they'll go and add stuff like this lol
Whoever designed that class, should be fired..
It's amazing how much more mobility and kicks and cc melee have to keep a caster from playing g get once there is a spec that counts a melee it's let's cry about not being an easy target
The thing is dragons are meta but nobody wants them to be there.
When the "most mobile class in the game" cant stick to a ranged you have a problem....
The fact there’s almost no DR for what they can do to melee rn is disgusting
How you feel in this video is how a lot of PvP players have felt for years. Like why am I playing this. I did skip SL and DF and giving TWW a try but again Blizz... what are you doing??!!
what a time to be alive where wow arena takes longer then league games
Remember when they kept nerfing rogue poisons because their snare... and now they give the OP snare to evokers... so silly.
Best part is, blizz will likely see complaints about this.
Their way of fixing it will be: Oh looks like monks can't catch up to the dragons huh, let's give monks a little bit more mobility to conquer this issue - which then leads to the issue that monks has too much mobility for other ranged classes. So what do they do? well now they have to give them even more mobility/teleports/slows.
This is on repeat and soon we're all gonna be flying spaceships in the arena (Except for warlocks though they forgot their mobility in MOP)
But hey! soon we can all be dragons doublejumping as all classes so that's cool!
Well I mean as a warlock main I've been pretty btfo'd by melee for years now without any real recourse. So seeing this against a warrior and monk was quite satisfying. I bet they were screaming
i was thinking same shit
SO THATS WHAT IVE BEEN DOING TO PEOPLE? WOW THIS GAME SUCKS.
You don't know what pain is until you played SP
dont you have spammable curse of exhaustion, 2 ports, multiple health restore and walls? what are you talking about lol
@@vellusk I guess you haven't played lock because you'd know non of that is effective and is extremely situational at best.
Oh no, something that melee can't counter with their millions of gap closers and micro ccs. NERF IT IMMEDIATELY!
Ok, thats pretty bad, but nothing is worse than frost mage. Dragon isnt even closeeeeeeee as a melee.
looks like tbc warrior vs mage, except not as brutal for the warrior
They need to remove the slow immune whilst hovering, or give it a CD, like 30 second CD of the slow immune.
the vocalization of the 90% snares was giving me PTSD as an arms warrior
kinda clickbait title, hunters and rogues counter both this and mage although mage is way worse about it.
Fighting a Devoker is like playin a ret simulator, slow for days.
If u drink everytime he says 90% snare u end wasted
Imagine a frost mage main complaining about snares lol, hes also deleting comments again...
At this point warrior needs a talent for every second shared increases cd reduction for charge.
If you perma snare warrior it will stack to like 800% cd reduction for war
Blizzard is consistently proving to me that quitting the game was the best thing ive ever done
It's so stupid, who thought yea that's a good idea, let dragons have a 90% constant snare and also they gotta fly around constantly. GJ
Marks hunter and Affliction locks are wildly out performing frost mage in practically all content. While I didn't want them buffed, I do not think any of their incoming nerfs are warranted. If anything, Glacial / Ray should have been buffed slightly to make it worth casting.
imagine trying to deal with this as an arms warrior
I had to mute the video😂 it straight up sounded like homie broke
The silence was so loud LOL
Venruki say that Frost are OP for the past month but people still act like if he wasn't.
mages and hunters make the game almost unplayable for melee
Normally I would advocate against slows having a diminishing return in PvP, but I just don't know if I believe that anymore...
Ah… yeah the class that made me take a break from the game for a few weeks
To add insult to injury, I also play Recall talent, which allows me teleport to my original location once I finish Deep Breath. It is especially nasty in BGs.
Funny how this video isn't about Frost Mage
Now you know how warriors felt back in the day when playing against Hunters and Mages
They should just given them a cape with an S on it and let them fly around the arena like Superman!
I main a Fury Warrior. Played a solo shuffle the other day against Dev Evoker, MM Hunter, Frost Mage. I basically just sat in roots or slow walked to my target 90% of the game.
Everyone just about frost mages, but U all forgot when FIREmages could basically stun lock someone without end with the right talent setup and fitting gear --- it was so fun to be able to destroy max lvl melees while I was levels below xD
I can confirm as a melee main (ret, fury, dk) playing against evok feels like you are playing against a character from a different game. It’s completely impossible to track everything they do and catching them in cc for cleave is basically impossible.
devastation have reached peak DH levels of obnoxious out-of-place mechanics and overall bullshittery
The evoker archetype fits we've always had dragonkin type humanoids, but these abilities and powers just don't belong in wow.
Evoker on all specs is an absolute monster. S tier every spec. Beyond outplaying if they have a brain.
90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare… 90% Snare…
They won’t fix it either until half way through the season when a bunch of fails are 2700 because of a shit talent
No Blizzard pvp dev knows what's going on with pvp and they get paid for it, we have abominations like dk unholy, lock afflick, feral druid, hunter MM completely broken.
And then we have little windwalker monk struggling to breathe.
Venrunki trying to desperately sway attention off of mages, nice try bud.
Additionaly you can use the evoker racials to interrupt every charge if you time it correctly.
Ive been away from retail for about 2 years, thought id give tww a try but after seeing this I think ill pass. Ty for posting this. You just saved me 80 euros.