Amen. We were taken from man. We are supposed to be the helpmate. Look at the problems we caused in the garden. Man is to rule over us. Thank you so much for saying this. The whole reason we were even created was to be a helpmate to man not to rule over man, belittle man, or force a man to be what we think he should but to help him be what God leads him to be.
Mr. Parr you are the third person to confirm that women shouldn’t be pastors. That’s confirmation for me. I am currently under a woman pastor and I’m trying to flee. However I’ve been under her leadership for so long it’s hard to let go. Pray for my strength in the Lord.
Maybe you could check out other church's using discernment of course. Oh... perhaps a person can search on line for reviews on church's you may like to visit as well!? Praying you find a Good and Right church! ❤
Try Brandon Holthaus church finder. He is lead pastor at Rock Harbor Church in Bakersfield CA,, he teaches the Bible and has started a list of Bible teaching churches around the country. Perhaps there is one near you. Bless you. ❤
No. If a man is to be the head of his own household, how would it be biblically acceptable for a woman be the overseer/spiritual Shepard of *multiple* households, as a senior pastor? As a woman, I have no business attempting to teach a man how to Shepard / lead in his own household, which is what senior pastors are supposed to do.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
Um, no, it’s definitely not limited to senior pastor. Women cannot hold any office in the church. They are only limited to teach other women and children. Very clear in Scripture.
@@QuietGirl2006 The Judges were pastors/shepherds. As it says: Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet ********************************** When the shepherd over Israel died, the people went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. ********************************** But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways. -excerpt Judges 2
I totally agree with you. I believe women can teach and preach, but the pastor's position is only for men. That's the word. A woman can't be a husband of one wife. There's no way to twist this scripture.
No. Not as associate, head, or any position as pastor in the Church. We out here doin' what we want and not following GOD'S Word. That's the problem now - men are not stepping up to their mantle/position.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did. God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel. There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.
@@SuperProverb31 Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars? -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV Major modern English translations like the NASB use the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people... [PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour, from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.] In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’ -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Amen. We are to lead younger women. I don't think we're supposed to be in charge of the kids. We should take care of the kids. But even that women are managing to mess that up.
You do not need a book in addition to the bible. The Bible is all that you need if people would take it, and they would read it, and they would spend the time reading the Bible Uber and Uber instead of going and buying additional books. You don't need anything in addition to the bible. Everybody's trying to pad their own pockets any more. You know, if somebody wants to say it in a sermon. That's one thing you don't need Additional books. Did you know that it's actually a business sacrificing Christians and Christian suffering? It's actually a business, so if we could get the church backward needs to be. We can go after the wicked people that are actually in charge of you know, some people have been in jail for 20 years, but it's other Christians that helped put them there. Here's a book for you to write. How is it that a person can be in a prison for 20 years for preaching the word of the God, but don't let somebody like the voice. The mortars into that same prison to make a book about the person locked up for being a Christian and Christian suffering. And they get to walk away free. And that person's still in that jail cell. So if we would stop worrying about patting our own pockets, preach the word. Then maybe we can help save the other Christians who are caught in this business. Being sacrificed at the hands of other christians just to pad their pockets so they can write some books. Make it make sense.
Yes! Too often people discard difficult teachings because it doesn't conform to society. But it is we who must conform to scripture. May God give us the grace to obey even the most difficult teachings, in Jesus name Amen
Real question: I'm a Christian, let's establish this. I do have a question, why do I have to pay for the sins of Eve? Just because Eve sinned doesn't make me incapable of being a preacher, women can teach exactly what mean teach. So that being said, why is it sinful? God tells us to preach the word! Plus, this is mainly in the OLD testament, although most has not changed a few laws have been changed or not as serious as it was when it was made. I need an answer because I want to understand the whole Bible and not cherry pick verses that I like. Thank you =)
1 Timothy too wasn’t directed to all churches… not to mention Priscilla who taught a Apollos, or the woman appointed to see baby Jesus, or the prominent women in Greece that Paul came across… believe what you want though… as long as Jesus is your Lord and Savior… you my bro. (Isaiah 9:6)
I see a problem with the verse because Timothy clearly said "I" do not permit a woman to preach. I believe if God gives the authority anyone can be used by Him to do His will. I grew up in a church with a female lead pastor and when she laid hands on me I literally met Jesus Christ my Lord and saviour at that moment. My faith began that day and can never be shaken and this is because of her ministry. Also the spirit of the Lord led me recently to go back to her church and I went and I had been praying hard for a friend lost to drug addiction and I had not been able to reach my friend and I was extremely concerned, so I went and the lady pastor looked at me and declared "The Lord said to tell you that that friend you have been concerned about is going to be ok, He has her but He is working on some things in you." I knew the word was given to her by the Lord because she knew absolutely nothing about the situation. God uses female pastors. And apostles had opinions that were not Gods own instructions. I see the opinions come up in scripture and we need spiritual wisdom to guide us in all things. Even when pertaining to scripture, especially when pertaining to scripture.
I’d rather have a Woman pastor who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit than a male pastor who hasn’t. I’m trying to hear from Holy Spirit, not the flesh. Spirit doesn’t discriminate gender. And a woman can teach the Bible equally as well as a man. With that said, I still think men should be discipling men, but a woman can preach a sermon exactly the same as a man if they both have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. Literally the only pastor in my area that has been filled with the spirit is a female, the only church where we are casting out demons, ppl getting filled, and consistently encountering His presence. I know for certain God would rather me be there than at one of the lukewarm churches with a male pastor. Spirit recognizes Spirit 🔥. It’s such a powerful training ground. I’m getting trained up to pastor as well, prophets getting trained, and many others 5 fold minsters in this church.
Some of these comments are bordering on sexism. I agree w/Allen Parr on Senior role/pastoring reserved for men. However for some of y’all, it seems like you are insinuating that it’s a sin for a woman to be over a man at ANY point, in ANY area. What would y’all do if there was a woman president or a woman leading a lifegroup/bible study? It says all authority comes from God and if God places a woman over you, you need to obey it. Deborah was head judge over Israel at the time and had authority over everyone. I agree some things are reserved for men, but when we start excluding women from ALL leadership period, that’s when it turns patriarchal and is borderline unbiblical in a way… to say women can never lead men in some areas in life. God has done it before. Ruling over women is a curse, not a blessing (Genesis 3:16). Healthy male leadership is a gift.
@@holyexperience1976I was just about to say that. Esther was leading her whole nation which included men women and children. God will use anyone to accomplish his work
@@holyexperience1976exactly and technically as Queen, she had authority over men in the entire nation, aside from her husband. There’s still male headship somewhere Not all forms of leadership are exclusionary of women. I just need to point that out
Deborah, Miriam, Photina, Huldah, Esther, Phoebe, Priscilla…..all were women who were called by God as Prophets, Judges, Teachers, Evangelist….of men as well as women. God does not erase all these women in His Word. Holy Spirit Discernment. Read about Huldah and how 4 priests went to her for guidance for King Josiah because they knew God spoke through her. It was because of her obedience to God that brought King Josiah to humble himself to repentance. Photina was the woman at the well who also became the first evangelist. Jesus told her it was okay for her to go and tell everyone she knows that she met The Messiah. She didn’t tell just woman, she told everyone (men and women). She was the first one to share The Gospel of Jesus The Messiah. God said He is not a respecter of persons. He will use a donkey or rocks if those who are called by His Name do not speak His Truth.
Before any man goes to the book of Timothy know this…in text for the day it was written and how the church was set up with women on one side and men on the other. It is disruptive today as it was then to yell across the isle at church. ANY disruption is out of order be it from a man or a woman. Men went to Hebrew school and learned the Torah back then and women were not allowed to learn so they had a lot of questions. Now, when it talks about the leading men only having one wife, he was taking it back to Adam and Eve…..not to marry or be with more than one woman as men were doing so at that time (some are still now) which is not how God set up union for His people. If men were to be in service to God they were to have One Wife, not many wives as this to would be out of God’s order.
Thank you, who qualified any man to decide who God chooses to use to express His power... we need to be careful, God can choose to use whoever He desires,
Fine, I'll go to Corinthians instead of Timothy. 1 Corinthians 14 33:35 - "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS. Let your women keep silence in the CHURCHES: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the LAW. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.” Can women be pastors? Sure. Should they be? "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet" 1 Timothy 2:11-12. But why would Paul put gender parameters on who can teach and be an elder? This sounds sexist. As if he were anticipating this objection, Paul answers it in the next verses: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" 1 Timothy 2:13-14. The word 'for' introduces the reason for the prohibition in verse 12: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve." This is a clear reference to the Genesis 2 account of creation. In Genesis 2, God creates Adam from the ground and afterward creates Eve from Adam’s rib. Paul is teaching that the reason for the prohibition relates to how God made the first man and the first woman AND what happened with the forbidden fruit. Of course, it's not only Paul who clarifies God's will for men to lead. Isaiah 3:12 "Youths oppress my people, WOMEN rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path." Please tell me if you think women ruling over God's people is supposed to be a good or a bad thing in this verse. Women ruling is a sign of God's judgement, as is the case with Deborah. Deborah was also a prophetess, so she certainly found favor in God's eyes. However, please consider the following points. First, the book of Judges is a descriptive, not a prescriptive, book in the Bible. Meaning, the book of Judges, and in particular Deborah’s account, is describing what happened. It is not telling us what must happen. Paul’s command for churches is prescriptive. He is telling us what must happen in the church. Narratives, like Judges, are merely describing events that took place. They’re not intended to prescribe moral commands and doctrine. Bottom line, that Deborah was a judge does not contradict or change Paul’s command in 1st Timothy & 1 Corinthians. Secondly, Deborah was a judge during Israel’s darkest time in history. That she was appointed should be seen as a judgment on wicked people. This claim is bolstered by the fact that Deborah tried to give military command to Barak, and he was shamed for his initial reluctance. It was likely the case that men simply were not stepping up in those dark times. Even so, Barak was the one who led the men into battle (Judges 4:14-16). Deborah’s story is heroic, but it does not change the fact only qualified men can be pastors in God’s church. Paul ties this back to Adam and Eve, so this is not a cultural issue of the times. Just like the man is the head of his family (after Christ of course!), so is the man the head of the church. Hope this helps.
@@BasileiaRoots, You are missing some context the Bible clearly teaches… Deborah, Photina, Huldah, Esther, and Priscilla were all married women and thus they all had submitted under male authority, and were willing to submit to that authority, even multiple times in the case of Photina, but I wouldn’t use Photina in this discussion. 1) Her name isn’t in scripture, and 2) she doesn’t have authority, she just acts. Phoebe isn’t mentioned to be married, and I have my own thoughts, but what we do know from scripture is that she was under Male Authority, that being Paul. Paul was even writing with his authority to ask others to empower her with authority as he did. Miriam also was under Male Authority. She was under her brothers. Miriam isn’t mentioned to be married in the Bible, but she is in other non-canonical books. Regardless, she is a horrible example of women in leadership, as she tried to usurp Moses as the Leader. She literally was fulfilling the curse given to Eve. Additionally, Huldah was the closest prophet at the time as she lived right in Jerusalem with her Husband being a servant of the very king that needed a prophet. The people looking for a prophet probably were friends or associates of Huldah and her Husband. All good examples of women in the Bible as leaders were under male authority, usually married. Paul wrote that women are saved through Childbearing, that requires them to submit unto a man. This means that while women can be leaders, they are required to submit to a male authority over them to give them authority. This is exactly how we, the Church, also called the Bride of Christ have Authority, as we have it through being under Christ’s Authority!
I agree. As Jesus has modeled He is the head of the body [His church] and we shall follow suit, the head leaders of a church as I understand correctly should be men. That doesn’t mean women can’t have an impact on the church as a minister, prophetess, teacher, etc.
What are your thoughts on woman prophets? I’m curious because this Sunday a woman was prophesying on behalf of the church, and I’m considering jumping ship because I mostly agree with what you say in your videos, about decreeing, giving vague prophecies. I’m open to discussion!
Women can prophesy. Prophesy is different from preaching & teaching. Prophetess are found in Gods Word. Prophesy is for edification & exhortation & comfort. Hope this helps.
Ok, I've heard this line against women being pastors and all that. I also know about the verses that back it up. In other words, I know the who, what, and where of it. What I don't know is the why of it. I've never had a woman pastor preach to me before nor attend a church with one, so I seriously don't know. So, serious intellectual question and seeking perspective: all bible verses aside, what is the problem?
There are more ways to serve God than becoming leaders of men. A God-fearing woman should examine her heart honestly and recognize that there is a power search underneath her desire to lead men in spite of God’s instruction.
There are other positions of service within the scope of a congregation besides pastoral positions. (I know a pastor’s wife who leads the women ministry and children ministry, a bible study teacher who facilitates the learning.) However, serving God does not confine believers within the scope of a congregation, for those who are lost and whom we are commissioned by Christ to witness to predominantly live as outsiders of the congregation. My point is serving God should be the ultimate goal for EVERYTHING we take part in, whether it’s family, work, social life or church services. Then why does a woman seek for a spiritual shepherd’s position which God designs for men?
The word teaches older women to instruct younger women. I am a street minister with my late husband we had a very wonderful ministry to people coming out of extreme difficulties but I do believe pastors are men
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
10 - 6 - 23 #1 The BEST #1 topic in ALL of the Holy Bible of God's Word of Holy writ is not going to some Seventh day Adventist church on Saturday's preaching your SATANIC Investigative Judgment and your FALSE prophet Ellen G White #2 The BEST #1 topic in the Holy Bible of God's Word of Holy writ is the SPREADING/ PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ #3 A ) Jesus Christ B ) The Holy Apostles C ) The Holy Apostle Paul ALL went to the Synagogues on the Sabbath to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ What's your excuse ? #4 NOT ONCE have YOU or ANY other Seventh day Adventist on ALL these videos you post on dealing with Adventism on ALL these Threads/ Comments hasn't even bothered ONCE to mention ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( NOT ONE ) ( NOT ONCE ) Why not ? Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ? Too busy WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's ? #5 Isn't Adventism SUPPOSED to be the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which is SUPPOSED to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ? What are you waiting for ? ANSWER 1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER 2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
10 - 6 - 23 #10 LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT SAME AS........ SDA : Are your sins blotted out ? SIMPLE Yes.......or......no #11 LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery SAME AS......... SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ? SIMPLE Yes......or.......no #12 LDS : SATAN the father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of Jesus Christ SAME AS......... SDA : SATAN the father of LIES the Devil is the Seventh day Adventist HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism #13 Did Jesus REST on the Sabbath during his ministry on earth ? SIMPLE Yes......or........no Chapter and verse please ANSWER Colossians 2 : 14 ( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ( The CROSS ✝️ ) His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED ) His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY ! ANSWER GRACE G - Gods R - Riches A - At C - Christs E - Expense Try it , Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I ! AGAPE !
When I was a baby Christian I devoured the Bible. I believe personally a woman should not lead the church as a pastor. A woman can teach a Bible study among women. Or teach young children but that is it.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did. God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel. There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.
I agree with the office of SENIOR pastor being men only. However that does not exclude women from holding other offices and utilizing their gifts to advance the gospel.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did. God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel. There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.
@@8784-l3balso Junia! She was also a leader in the early church. For centuries Mary Magdalene was considered an apostle. Conveniently disappeared after the Reformation by.....men.
@@8784-l3bh Deborah was NOT a pastor, unless you want to engage in semantics. It was also a disgrace that the men of Israel had fallen away from God and were incapable of leading. "In those days Israel had no king and everyone did what was right in their own eyes." Deborah wasn't mentioned in Hebrews 11 (the "hall of fame" of faith). Barak was though. Women can teach other women and children but NOT have authority over men. With all the radical things Jesus did in his earthly lifetime, he was not instructed to select a female apostle. Nor did the apostles select a female candidate to replace Judas. Female "pastors" are part of the rebellion in the church. John MacArthur has an excellent bible study on this subject, which ought not to be controversial. Feminism has been destructive for Christian women.
Lack of confidence no faith. Faith is the substance of things we hope for the evidence of things not seen. Sure why not have faith in God He will give you the desire of your heart. Because you are not independent in faith you lack off responsibility to be a woman pastor/ leader that is the problem I see in this picture.
@@tigiestmclean163No i see disobedience to the very word of God and an inflated ego is yours. Not a lack of Faith on her part. In fact it is by her Faith and obedience to God se chooses to listen to His very word and not follow after her own heart which by in itself wicked and rotten as it is. So she cannot trust her wicked heart for wisdom but only the infinite wisdom of God. Amen
@@ContendformyFaith Beloved, see when Mary Magdalene got delivered by Jesus Christ and love Jesus Christ all the way , until even looking for His body and because of her persistence looking for Him and because of her paying attention in what He was telling she and the disciples, even when they didn’t see Jesus body in the tomb the men disciples left forgotten what Jesus were telling them that He will rise in the third day but Mary still there crying looking for Him even the two angels called her “ woman “, why are you crying,” and she told them and that is what God the Father, Son expects from us believers and see our motives looking searching for Him pay attention in what He is telling us then as Mary was crying for Him and then when He saw that she really truly love Him and to love Him is to obey His commands and keep them, so He called her name and she recognized His voice and called Him back His name “Rabboni” meaning teacher. At first before He called her name she thought he was the gardener. ( John 20:16) John 10:3, the sheep listen to His voice He calls His own sheep by name. This was what happened to Mary Magdalene. After searching and looking for Jesus, He saw her love and desire for Him, and He called her name and she recognized Him period. So this tells me how anyone man or woman can search and look eagerly for Jesus, believe me they can be anything that Jesus strengthen them .
Qualified male pastors and elders to lead the church. Deacons can be qualified males or females, and I believe that is up for a faithful debate. Roles need to be structured to reflect the biblical roles of all three of those offices.
We ARE ALL CALLED! 🙌 the woman at the well! Prophetess Deborah in the Old Testament, Anna, Miriam Huldah ! Yall really need to read ur Bible in Timothy Paul is talking to the women and men who are over the church about not allowing false teachers to preach!! He is giving the order of the church!!!
This passage is removed from the "bibles" of certain denominations. "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. I Corinthians 13:34...
It was never a 'law'. ___________________________________________ As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. -excerpt 1 Corinthians 14 They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying,... ...Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son?... Then the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph, came forward; and these are the names of his daughters: Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements. -excerpt Numbers 27
Every single chance we could have easily taken momentum they just peed down their leg. Bynum…come oooon. Easy easy play. Nope, 14 point swing. Every single time we screw up the routine play when it could change the game, just like Mattison’s impossible pass to drop, honestly have no clue how that’s possible to drop, especially with gloves lol I couldn’t drop that unless I tried to drop it.
I hear brothers talk ALOT about what women can or can't do, but why don't you teach men with the same intensity about what they MUST do and what they MUST not? World would be better if Men submitted to Holy spirit,and then be leaders, not just wasting their time over theological debates on internet, being jobless and not marrying but sleeping around. ! It's not a women's problem its your hearts and your "abuse of authority "problem. First you fail at being the leader as you should be and then blabber about how women are responsible for it.. Just like Adam did in the garden of Eden.
Pauls letter to Timothy was intended to convey how the churches should be organized. Men were meant to preach , and women shouldn't have authority overen in a church. The disciples were all men. Women were originally made for man , because while men and women are all equally valuable , it was the woman that was made for the man as a help mate. Womens priorities , values , and standards and judgement are different than a mans and it was the woman that was decieved in the garden , not man. Man is the closest ideal human being because he was created as the closest representation of the image of God , having dominion over the earth , and over family as the head. Men have rule over their families to protect and provide for their wives and children. Women who rule over their husbands often don't respect them and will leave them for someone else.
you wrote: and standards and judgement are different than a mans and it was the woman that was decieved in the garden , not man. Yet God made Deborah a Judge over Israel, with the authority to judge homicide cases. Also, according to scripture, a Judge was REQUIRED to judge only the hardest of cases. See Deuteronomy.
Who was the husband and wife in the Bible having church? Priscilla and Aquila very prominent leaders. They comended her work and church in her home. But like you said, she had a husband who was leading beside her right?
@@MarcelynBourjolly-p3d Sure. I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Should you wish a study. Read time:10-15 minutes It covers her story AND what a Judge was.
Exactly, we don’t have to be equal with men. We aren’t men, we don’t have the same responsibilities as men, and we aren’t less than just because we have a different role.
Complementarianism The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier. Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who is masculine. Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders. A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less like God who is masculine. Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders. So even a large group of women can not be a valid church under any circumstances. For this group of women to become a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form a valid church. ____________________________________ But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.
The fad of women preacher-leaders broke out in the 80s. As a young person sitting under a pastor condoning it, I bought into this. I realized that God's perfect wisdom and order supercedes the world system and culture.
Brother Allen, You! strictly believe thata the office of a senior Pastor should be that of only a man and that is your belief. I believe that the only office a woman shouldn't hold is that of a Bishop seeing that God servant strictly tells us that Bishop, this office is for a husband of one wife. Bishop is the only office that is gender specific.
i agree and I’m sure everyone can or should agree that it doesn’t mean a woman is less than in the eyes of God. We’re his daughters too just like our men are his sons. It just means we have roles and God makes them known for our good, not to harm or hurt us.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
thank you for sharing your point of view. It was very well thought out and clear, I appreciate that. I agree, God can use whoever He chooses and has proven that many times throughout scripture and still to this day. He doesn’t care about our human self proclaimed or culture placed statuses. At the same time, I view the role as lead pastor, in the same category as head of the household. There are specific roles we were made and best suited for but that doesn’t mean we don’t have the ability to carry out the other role. Or do you also believe a wife should be head of the household instead of her husband if he is fully capable? Are woman capable of leading a household, yes 1000% if needed. Are woman capable of being lead pastors, yes 1000% if chosen. Were woman included as Jesus disciples, YES and still are. But was one woman chosen as apart of the 12? No. Deborah was a judge and prophet in her time and the only one showing us that this was uncommon. That is not something to be offended about or say, look men can only rule over woman in Gods eyes. That statement is completely false because in the kingdom, the leaders should be acting as the servants if they are chosen by God. Pastors are not ruling over anyone, they are appointed to be servants of a church. Jesus is the only ruler as King in any church setting. I’m not going to say I’m right or I know it all. Clearly that is a silly thing to think for anyone but this is simply my view and opinion on the matter. I respect all brothers and sisters in Christ equally.
@@jessicaeggleston8033 There are no gender-specific roles in the New Covenant. Else the priesthood mentioned by Peter (But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood,...) is a 2-tiered priesthood based on birthright.
@@8784-l3b I agree, gender has nothing to do with the new covenant. Jews, gentiles, male, female, free, slave, we’re all invited. Jesus is our high priest, judge and king. There is no hierarchy under King Jesus. There are however roles within the church body but again no role (body part) is greater than another in any aspect.
@@jessicaeggleston8033 If only men can be elders, deacons, leaders, etc. that creates a 2-tiered priesthood. Not sure if you believe that or not. If you do I'll paste up MY definition of Complementarianism, which may help in this matter.
Men are much more logical plus the Lord gave them the word. Adam was a man given the original word from the Lord. Moses, Noah, Jeremiah, and Jonah were all men. Jesus and the 12 Disciples were all what?? Yes Mary was a follower and mother Mary was Jesus mother but we were never intended to worship her which is why the catholic religion is unbiblical plus they hide the artifacts at the Vatican that would cause others to believe in Jesus thus being saved. They prevent salvation going into the world thus they are serving the devil.
@@lakeishabrown4124 can you please explain how being a pastor or leading a ministry is “being over their husband?” He is not speaking of leading the home now. This is about ministry.
🤦🏿♀️so THE MOST HIGH GOD elevated Deborah to judge over Isreal and put Golda Meir in position of Prime Minister of Isreal but HE does want women to be over a church? Make it make sense. If your understanding of what Paul or anyone else wrote goes against GOD's Words especially those shown in HIS actions, you are not understanding correctly. GOD said a womans desire would be for her own husband and he would rule over her. I am still looking for the scripture where GOD made women subject to a man other than her husband.
Women pastor to everyone born 6 days a week. Cant men have one day? And a woman get atleast a day off? This was the foundation of the family unit. Society directly reflects the foundation of sand.
I think it is ok for women to ask about the teachings of the Bible, but not to teach. We need to learn. I think we all need to follow the Ten Commandments.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
I think in maybe a women's study on how to be a holy woman in a man's world it could be lead by a matriarch and God gives women unbelievable intuition they should be the strong neck of the head , to think that we are downing a woman's role is to not know God at all.... Women are the nurture of the church Jesus is the church,
The bottom line is if men can’t get it together like many male pastors can’t , won’t and don’t. God will use whosoever he sees fit to use to bless his people. God’s ways are not our ways nor his thoughts our thoughts. So are you saying the people who have been saved under women pastors are not saved? Don’t limit God he is not on your insecure men pastors level that think this way and he never will be. God help them please is my prayer Amen.🙏🏽🙌🏾
@@NotCalvinist777 Again what if a woman leads a man to accept Jesus as his Lord and savior????? God uses whosoever he will to save souls!!!! No rebellion there not even 1%. He doesn’t want one soul to be lost. You don’t know anything about the he love of God.
@@lindaeledan5198 if a woman leads a Manteca, Lord, that is perfectly fine, and it is the duty of a Christian. A woman just cannot be the pastor of a church, nor can she usurp he authority of a man.
@@lindaeledan5198 the whole issue is about women leading the church as pastors and holding offices of authority in the church. That is clearly for bidden by the word of God. Any deviation from that is rebellion
As a pastor myself, I believe the word of God permits women to Pastor. In the book of Romans, Paul shows us that they are women apostles, so if they are women apostles, why shouldn’t there be women pastors? Scripture also teaches us that in the last day God will pour his spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters will prophesy, the word prophesy means to proclaim the word
I’ve seen women pastors/Prophets, more powerful than most male preachers. I’ve seen women Ps/Prophets, healing the sick, casting out demons, prophesying if God didn’t want women in these positions then why have I seen God use women in a mighty way?
Who was Deborah in the Old Testament? Wasn't she a Judge and the leader of the army? Stop trivializing the worth of women. Peter denied and abandoned christ..but the women followed and found out where His tomb was. Christ appeared first to a woman.
The Judges were pastors/shepherds as written in Chronicles. I wrote a short free essay on Deborah, so I am very familiar with her story AND what a Judge was.
@@8784-l3b As a Judge, she settled disputes and was leader of the army. I pointed that out to show that The Almighty one entrusted her with all those duties just as he trusted a man. A woman is teacher and nurturer , Our heavenly Father chooses whomever is fit for the job.
@@coleenlyons1630 Sure. By the way, a Judge could judge homicide cases, therefore a Judge could execute a man for the sin of premeditated murder. Also, God ruled Israel through the Judges. I just want you to know they were shepherds/pastors. A Judge was the most important spiritual leader of this time period. When a Judge died the people went back to their sinful ways. (This is all in my free essay should you wish a study at some point.)
I think that the women should let the men have the church and talk to the men all they want to and the women should talk to each other and let the men do all the weeding clean the bathrooms serve the people do everything for themselves because we sure don’t need to listen to somebody who is biased and feels that we don’t have a say in anything. So you just go on and believe him and the women stay home and read your Bible and praise God and pray
Imagine that the Bible didn't say anything about women not veing allowed to be pastors: would women then be allowed to be pastors? Or is there another reason that would disqualify women?
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@8784-l3b Interesting! Thanks. Does that mean that you think Paul was wrong when he prohibited women teaching men? Or do you just have a different interpretation of that verse?
@@IndyB23 The gospel is a teaching. The first and most important of all. If a woman can teach a man the gospel, she can teach all the lesser teachings to men. This is logic. Even in the teaching/preaching of the gospel, a man may ask a woman about something scriptural/spiritual. So if the man asks about the so-called 7 deadly sins, she can't say a word? If indeed she can speak to him about this as an unsaved man, then she can't once he becomes saved? When all this becomes about gender, instead of the Holy Spirit, there is confusion. _________________________________________________ Complementarianism The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier. Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who is masculine. Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders. A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less like God who is masculine. Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders. So even a large group of women can not be a valid church under any circumstances. For this group of women to become a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form a valid church. ____________________________________ But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.
I'm a lady who just want to be sown seeds of truth. I rather a lady sow truth into me than a man sowing falsehood into me. Both gender can sow seeds of truth, some can sow seeds of falsehood. Not all women are like Paula White or Victoria Osteen. Not all men are the opposite of Kenneth Copeland or T.D. Jakes. Plus, I do not feel all women who share the Lord's word is looking for power or authority. Some simply just want to see souls saved. I know I'll get backlash for it, and that is OK. Just because a man was made to be leader does not mean there are no man who can lead astray and always make perfect decisions and have perfect knowledge. Ladies need discernment because on Judgment Day we are not going to get to use submissiveness as a way to get out of being held accountable for sins done out of submission or going along with what a man said that wasn't right. If I had married my son's father when my son was a kid,, one of the things I would have had to submit to was my son not getting grounded when doing bad in school. I got a little off subject here, but wanted to add to a point.
The Bible has all authority and therefore should be obeyed. Women should not hold any of these positions. Thankful to attend a church with fantastic male leaders steeped in apologetics.
God will use whom ever to get the message out. Men who feel threatened when a woman is annointed by God, will always cling to to 1 Corinthians 14:33-36. Paul was creating order in the church. During that time as custom husbands and wives didn't sit together. The women sat at the back of the synagogue and men sat near the speaker. Wives would yell to ask their husbands to explain or to repeat what the speaker was saying. To keep order and to follow man's " written law" at the time which was women must be quiet in public. Next they use 1 Timothy 2:12 out of context as again if you read it in context it is talking about Man's law of the land during the time of the early church 1 Timothy 2:2. One of the first woman preachers was the good Samaritan at the well in John 4. In John 4:29-30 "Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” 30Then they went out of the city and came to Him." If Jesus wanted only men to speak about Him in public why use a woman to bring others to Him. All who believe in Jesus are called to share "The Good News". The great commission in Mark 16:14-15 Jesus uses the word "they" not men. It is imperative to study your bible and also understand the mens law vs. Gods laws. Therefore, if God our creator and Jesus did not want women to preach about God and share the "Goods News" of Jesus, we wouldn't have women Mary Magdelene, Mary mother of James and John who went and preached of Jesus return. Lydia who provided for Paul and held prayer meetings, Priscilla was a church leader with her husband Aquila and was highly regarded by Paul & Luke (who wrote acts) spoke often about her work to others. For the clarity in reading the bible asking the Holy Spirit to guide you in all truths. Do not lean unto your own or man's understanding, ask God. He will reveal all truths. As Christians we lean on others instead of taking all things to God which is a sin in itself. James 4:7-17
On point brother 💯. I'm tired of people misquoting verses and twisting Scriptures to fit their narratives. Women can and should PREACH if God calls them to do so.
You have to pay attention to his key words. He said senior level. That is incorrect. At any level leading a church, they can not be pastors. They can do other things ìn the church but not pastor. We have to be careful not to add or change things to the word.
I believe that women should be teaching other women and children. If a woman desires to be a pastor then let her be a childrens minister. Women are especially gifted in leading children. We see very clearly in the bible that women are never meant to pastor or excercise authority over MEN.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@Triebwerkstoerung Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment. -excerpt Judges 4
... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ... IF you (apostles, prophets, evangelists, preachers, teachers) are truly called and chosen by God to preach the precious Gospel of Jesus Christ, please GO FORTH and make disciples. If this is for you (and if the shoe fits you), you NEED to STOP spending so much time on "should women be Pastors/Bishops. For ALL men/women who read the Word of God KNOW without a shadow doubt that NO woman should be a Pastor/Bishop over a church body. I said all that to say this, all the time spent on an issue of "should a woman be a Pastor/ Bishop " is time wasted and could and should be used on LEADING loss souls to Jesus Christ and NOT debating over a matter that HAS ALREADY been truly answered and made plainly clear in God's Holy Word and it is NOT UP FOR NEGOTIATION and will NEVER be NEGATED. So let's NOT waste anymore time on this subject. Instead, GO and preach/teach the Gospel to those lost souls on their way to Hell so they may hear the Gospel and come to Jesus Christ. And, for those who think Hell doesn't exist I hate to be the bare of BAD news but Hell is real and awaits YOUR arrival if you DON'T accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and the GOOD news is Heaven is absolutely real as well and awaits YOUR arrival BUT ONLY IF YOU ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR. Jesus is standing with open arms to receive YOU, so DON'T wait until tomorrow for tomorrow, which is NOT promised to anyone, maybe one day too late. This is NOT a clinche, BUT truth. Jesus loves YOU very much, and so do I. God bless everyone.
I used to be in the women can be pastors camp. Then I went to a church where women were not and enthusiastically changed my view without really digging deeper. then over time I changed back to believing that God gives gifts to who He wants. That is men and women. I also read extensively on the subject from various scholars on both sides. Ultimately I think women can lead and serve in church including being pastor. I recommend you read Dr. Payne's book about Biblical Womanhood it sums up each point with scholarly evidence of why gender restrictions are not Biblical. A person can hold a high view of scripture and still believe in women leaders, morally, ethics, etc. I've seen that. I've also seen reformed people go off the rails into treatment of women as cattle for breeding, but using scripture and twisting it. Bible verses must be looked at both in context of the passage, historically, and if it's prescriptive or not for all people. The same people who claim women should not lead conveniently do not do the same treatment with topics such as slavery, marrying the sister if the wife passes, or my favorite, if Adam is the best or magically endowed with leadership because he was created first, you have to apply the same logic to all of Creation, so animals would be a higher order creature than man. See how faulty it becomes? 🙄. I also look at how the church is alienating singles. How is that happening you might ask? Well the truth is that most singles in churches across America are female and they attend also more regularly then men. If you tell them their sole purpose is reproduction and housework do you think they are going to stay around when you limit them? No. They could be going out and preaching and getting more people in the churches doors. But nope. They can't do that. A gifted woman with a theology degree is relegated to never starting a church. It's absurd. And teaching is a gift. I don't know how many times I've heard a ♂️ pastor be a pastor but the guy had no clue how to pastor yet there he is....because of his anatomy. Sounds like sexism. Because it is.
I respect and understand your viewpoint. But your argument is off of intellect and not biblical. Where are your scriptures sister? No book other than the Bible will support your thesis because you will be going of the word of man not the word of God. Not matter how much we’ve experienced or know we cannot deviate what the Bible says. “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.” This does not mean a woman does not have spiritual gifts. Woman have plentiful gifts and they’re not simply used to bear child. I don’t understand why many women wish to find authority over men. They try to justify it with their logic with no scriptures, and even when there are scriptures that negate their position they still brush it off. Here’s another scripture: “Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.” 1 Timothy 3:2, 4, 6-7 NIV Overseer = Pastor Notice how the Bible says HE and how HE has to be faithful to his wife. A woman pastor cannot be faithful to her wife because homosexuality is forbidden in scriptures as well. “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God. A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin. A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@8784-l3b I get you, but what is the exercise of authority Paul stated, what does it really mean & I think that's the issue. We really don't know what he meant.
@@gabrielalohan728 Regardless of what Paul meant, God ruled Israel through the Judges. That included Deborah. Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel. -excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
@@gabrielalohan728 Complementarianism The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy. A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier. A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier. Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who is masculine. Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders. A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less like God who is masculine. Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders. So even a large group of women can not be a valid church under any circumstances. For this group of women to become a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form a valid church. ____________________________________ But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.
Women, dont forget part of our curse is that we would desire to lead/rule over. We seriously need to STOP wanting to be in charge of EVERYTHING. 🤦🏼♀️
Amen! Finally sister finally someone saw that verse! I'm proud of you! 👏🏼 God bless you and your family!✌🏼and❤
If an pastor is a leader or ruler, then the church is not on biblical fundation.
Amen.
We were taken from man. We are supposed to be the helpmate. Look at the problems we caused in the garden. Man is to rule over us. Thank you so much for saying this. The whole reason we were even created was to be a helpmate to man not to rule over man, belittle man, or force a man to be what we think he should but to help him be what God leads him to be.
Wait what? Where does it say as part of the curse women would desire to lead/rule over?
@@SabrinaW-h4dwe are to be a helpmeet to our husband not ruled over by men in general
Mr. Parr you are the third person to confirm that women shouldn’t be pastors. That’s confirmation for me. I am currently under a woman pastor and I’m trying to flee. However I’ve been under her leadership for so long it’s hard to let go. Pray for my strength in the Lord.
In Jesus name!
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I agree. And I believe that the elder women should teach the younger women.
Totally agree men only as senior pastor. Woman can teach other woman
Women are not as effective as men
No. If a man is to be the head of his own household, how would it be biblically acceptable for a woman be the overseer/spiritual Shepard of *multiple* households, as a senior pastor? As a woman, I have no business attempting to teach a man how to Shepard / lead in his own household, which is what senior pastors are supposed to do.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
Um, no, it’s definitely not limited to senior pastor. Women cannot hold any office in the church. They are only limited to teach other women and children. Very clear in Scripture.
I think he goes over in his longer video the difference between the office positions and spiritual gifts when it comes to pastoring 🤔.
Deborah was a pastor/shepherd. As stated in
Chronicles by God.
@@8784-l3bShe was a prophetess not a pastor nor a preacher. Prophetess and a preacher are two different positions.
@@8784-l3b nope
@@QuietGirl2006 The Judges were pastors/shepherds.
As it says:
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
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When the shepherd over Israel died, the people
went back into sin. That is because the Judge was the
most important spiritual leader of this time period.
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But it came about, when the judge died, that they would turn back and act more corruptly than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them and bow down to them; they did not abandon their practices or their obstinate ways.
-excerpt Judges 2
We are about to install our First Women Pastor...im excited for her...and how God will use her
maybe your church are all women.. why not? 😊
Absolutely agree, Sir!!! It's Biblical!!!!
I totally agree with you. I believe women can teach and preach, but the pastor's position is only for men. That's the word. A woman can't be a husband of one wife. There's no way to twist this scripture.
1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
As a woman, I'm glad we're not called to be senior pastors. I would lose my mind 😂. Being a pastor isnt for the faint of heart.
Hopefully people watch his longer video and not just this short lol.
Amen
Yes and Amen
No. Not as associate, head, or any position as pastor in the Church. We out here doin' what we want and not following GOD'S Word. That's the problem now - men are not stepping up to their mantle/position.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did.
God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel.
There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.
@@8784-l3bDeborah was a judge not a preacher or a pastor over a church.
@@SuperProverb31
Wheresoever I have walked with all Israel, spake I a word to any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people, saying, Why have ye not built me an house of cedars?
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 KJV
Major modern English translations like the NASB use
the phrasing ...whom I commanded to shepherd My people...
[PASTOR - Origin: late Middle English: from Anglo-Norman French pastour,
from Latin pastor ‘shepherd’.]
In all places where I have walked with all Israel, have I spoken a word with any of the judges of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?’
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verse 6 NASB translation
Amen.
We are to lead younger women. I don't think we're supposed to be in charge of the kids. We should take care of the kids. But even that women are managing to mess that up.
You do not need a book in addition to the bible. The Bible is all that you need if people would take it, and they would read it, and they would spend the time reading the Bible Uber and Uber instead of going and buying additional books. You don't need anything in addition to the bible. Everybody's trying to pad their own pockets any more. You know, if somebody wants to say it in a sermon. That's one thing you don't need Additional books. Did you know that it's actually a business sacrificing Christians and Christian suffering? It's actually a business, so if we could get the church backward needs to be. We can go after the wicked people that are actually in charge of you know, some people have been in jail for 20 years, but it's other Christians that helped put them there. Here's a book for you to write. How is it that a person can be in a prison for 20 years for preaching the word of the God, but don't let somebody like the voice. The mortars into that same prison to make a book about the person locked up for being a Christian and Christian suffering. And they get to walk away free. And that person's still in that jail cell. So if we would stop worrying about patting our own pockets, preach the word. Then maybe we can help save the other Christians who are caught in this business. Being sacrificed at the hands of other christians just to pad their pockets so they can write some books. Make it make sense.
Opinions don’t matter when it comes to scripture. What has been spoken must be obeyed. Feelings can’t get in the way of Biblical truth.
Yes! Too often people discard difficult teachings because it doesn't conform to society. But it is we who must conform to scripture. May God give us the grace to obey even the most difficult teachings, in Jesus name Amen
Thank u
Real question: I'm a Christian, let's establish this. I do have a question, why do I have to pay for the sins of Eve? Just because Eve sinned doesn't make me incapable of being a preacher, women can teach exactly what mean teach. So that being said, why is it sinful? God tells us to preach the word! Plus, this is mainly in the OLD testament, although most has not changed a few laws have been changed or not as serious as it was when it was made. I need an answer because I want to understand the whole Bible and not cherry pick verses that I like. Thank you =)
1 Timothy too wasn’t directed to all churches… not to mention Priscilla who taught a Apollos, or the woman appointed to see baby Jesus, or the prominent women in Greece that Paul came across… believe what you want though… as long as Jesus is your Lord and Savior… you my bro. (Isaiah 9:6)
And this question and discussion gets me into heaven,
I see a problem with the verse because Timothy clearly said "I" do not permit a woman to preach. I believe if God gives the authority anyone can be used by Him to do His will. I grew up in a church with a female lead pastor and when she laid hands on me I literally met Jesus Christ my Lord and saviour at that moment. My faith began that day and can never be shaken and this is because of her ministry. Also the spirit of the Lord led me recently to go back to her church and I went and I had been praying hard for a friend lost to drug addiction and I had not been able to reach my friend and I was extremely concerned, so I went and the lady pastor looked at me and declared "The Lord said to tell you that that friend you have been concerned about is going to be ok, He has her but He is working on some things in you." I knew the word was given to her by the Lord because she knew absolutely nothing about the situation. God uses female pastors. And apostles had opinions that were not Gods own instructions. I see the opinions come up in scripture and we need spiritual wisdom to guide us in all things. Even when pertaining to scripture, especially when pertaining to scripture.
if you're a woman,why not?
I’d rather have a Woman pastor who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit than a male pastor who hasn’t. I’m trying to hear from Holy Spirit, not the flesh. Spirit doesn’t discriminate gender. And a woman can teach the Bible equally as well as a man.
With that said, I still think men should be discipling men, but a woman can preach a sermon exactly the same as a man if they both have been baptized in the Holy Spirit. Literally the only pastor in my area that has been filled with the spirit is a female, the only church where we are casting out demons, ppl getting filled, and consistently encountering His presence. I know for certain God would rather me be there than at one of the lukewarm churches with a male pastor. Spirit recognizes Spirit 🔥.
It’s such a powerful training ground. I’m getting trained up to pastor as well, prophets getting trained, and many others 5 fold minsters in this church.
Senior Pastors should be men only. Women can help and share gospel. But not as pastors.
I agree with you. So what do I do to let someone about Christ? ,, praying, living a life full of my Master,, what else?
Some of these comments are bordering on sexism. I agree w/Allen Parr on Senior role/pastoring reserved for men. However for some of y’all, it seems like you are insinuating that it’s a sin for a woman to be over a man at ANY point, in ANY area.
What would y’all do if there was a woman president or a woman leading a lifegroup/bible study? It says all authority comes from God and if God places a woman over you, you need to obey it. Deborah was head judge over Israel at the time and had authority over everyone. I agree some things are reserved for men, but when we start excluding women from ALL leadership period, that’s when it turns patriarchal and is borderline unbiblical in a way… to say women can never lead men in some areas in life. God has done it before. Ruling over women is a curse, not a blessing (Genesis 3:16). Healthy male leadership is a gift.
You can mention Esther as well. She was the one who risked her life to save her nation, not Mordecai.
Very good comment
@@holyexperience1976I was just about to say that. Esther was leading her whole nation which included men women and children. God will use anyone to accomplish his work
@@holyexperience1976exactly and technically as Queen, she had authority over men in the entire nation, aside from her husband. There’s still male headship somewhere
Not all forms of leadership are exclusionary of women. I just need to point that out
@@kiki7507
Bless you for your response and comments.
Deborah, Miriam, Photina, Huldah, Esther, Phoebe, Priscilla…..all were women who were called by God as Prophets, Judges, Teachers, Evangelist….of men as well as women. God does not erase all these women in His Word. Holy Spirit Discernment.
Read about Huldah and how 4 priests went to her for guidance for King Josiah because they knew God spoke through her. It was because of her obedience to God that brought King Josiah to humble himself to repentance.
Photina was the woman at the well who also became the first evangelist. Jesus told her it was okay for her to go and tell everyone she knows that she met The Messiah. She didn’t tell just woman, she told everyone (men and women). She was the first one to share The Gospel of Jesus The Messiah. God said He is not a respecter of persons. He will use a donkey or rocks if those who are called by His Name do not speak His Truth.
Before any man goes to the book of Timothy know this…in text for the day it was written and how the church was set up with women on one side and men on the other. It is disruptive today as it was then to yell across the isle at church. ANY disruption is out of order be it from a man or a woman. Men went to Hebrew school and learned the Torah back then and women were not allowed to learn so they had a lot of questions. Now, when it talks about the leading men only having one wife, he was taking it back to Adam and Eve…..not to marry or be with more than one woman as men were doing so at that time (some are still now) which is not how God set up union for His people. If men were to be in service to God they were to have One Wife, not many wives as this to would be out of God’s order.
Thank you, who qualified any man to decide who God chooses to use to express His power... we need to be careful, God can choose to use whoever He desires,
Fine, I'll go to Corinthians instead of Timothy. 1 Corinthians 14 33:35 - "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in ALL THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTS. Let your women keep silence in the CHURCHES: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the LAW. And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.”
Can women be pastors? Sure. Should they be? "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet" 1 Timothy 2:11-12. But why would Paul put gender parameters on who can teach and be an elder? This sounds sexist. As if he were anticipating this objection, Paul answers it in the next verses: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor" 1 Timothy 2:13-14. The word 'for' introduces the reason for the prohibition in verse 12: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve." This is a clear reference to the Genesis 2 account of creation. In Genesis 2, God creates Adam from the ground and afterward creates Eve from Adam’s rib. Paul is teaching that the reason for the prohibition relates to how God made the first man and the first woman AND what happened with the forbidden fruit.
Of course, it's not only Paul who clarifies God's will for men to lead. Isaiah 3:12 "Youths oppress my people, WOMEN rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path." Please tell me if you think women ruling over God's people is supposed to be a good or a bad thing in this verse. Women ruling is a sign of God's judgement, as is the case with Deborah. Deborah was also a prophetess, so she certainly found favor in God's eyes. However, please consider the following points. First, the book of Judges is a descriptive, not a prescriptive, book in the Bible. Meaning, the book of Judges, and in particular Deborah’s account, is describing what happened. It is not telling us what must happen. Paul’s command for churches is prescriptive. He is telling us what must happen in the church. Narratives, like Judges, are merely describing events that took place. They’re not intended to prescribe moral commands and doctrine. Bottom line, that Deborah was a judge does not contradict or change Paul’s command in 1st Timothy & 1 Corinthians. Secondly, Deborah was a judge during Israel’s darkest time in history. That she was appointed should be seen as a judgment on wicked people. This claim is bolstered by the fact that Deborah tried to give military command to Barak, and he was shamed for his initial reluctance. It was likely the case that men simply were not stepping up in those dark times. Even so, Barak was the one who led the men into battle (Judges 4:14-16). Deborah’s story is heroic, but it does not change the fact only qualified men can be pastors in God’s church. Paul ties this back to Adam and Eve, so this is not a cultural issue of the times. Just like the man is the head of his family (after Christ of course!), so is the man the head of the church. Hope this helps.
@@BasileiaRoots, You are missing some context the Bible clearly teaches…
Deborah, Photina, Huldah, Esther, and Priscilla were all married women and thus they all had submitted under male authority, and were willing to submit to that authority, even multiple times in the case of Photina, but I wouldn’t use Photina in this discussion. 1) Her name isn’t in scripture, and 2) she doesn’t have authority, she just acts.
Phoebe isn’t mentioned to be married, and I have my own thoughts, but what we do know from scripture is that she was under Male Authority, that being Paul. Paul was even writing with his authority to ask others to empower her with authority as he did.
Miriam also was under Male Authority. She was under her brothers. Miriam isn’t mentioned to be married in the Bible, but she is in other non-canonical books. Regardless, she is a horrible example of women in leadership, as she tried to usurp Moses as the Leader. She literally was fulfilling the curse given to Eve.
Additionally, Huldah was the closest prophet at the time as she lived right in Jerusalem with her Husband being a servant of the very king that needed a prophet. The people looking for a prophet probably were friends or associates of Huldah and her Husband.
All good examples of women in the Bible as leaders were under male authority, usually married. Paul wrote that women are saved through Childbearing, that requires them to submit unto a man. This means that while women can be leaders, they are required to submit to a male authority over them to give them authority. This is exactly how we, the Church, also called the Bride of Christ have Authority, as we have it through being under Christ’s Authority!
I agree. As Jesus has modeled He is the head of the body [His church] and we shall follow suit, the head leaders of a church as I understand correctly should be men. That doesn’t mean women can’t have an impact on the church as a minister, prophetess, teacher, etc.
What are your thoughts on woman prophets? I’m curious because this Sunday a woman was prophesying on behalf of the church, and I’m considering jumping ship because I mostly agree with what you say in your videos, about decreeing, giving vague prophecies. I’m open to discussion!
Women can prophesy. Prophesy is different from preaching & teaching. Prophetess are found in Gods Word. Prophesy is for edification & exhortation & comfort. Hope this helps.
Absolutely true
Ok, I've heard this line against women being pastors and all that. I also know about the verses that back it up. In other words, I know the who, what, and where of it. What I don't know is the why of it. I've never had a woman pastor preach to me before nor attend a church with one, so I seriously don't know. So, serious intellectual question and seeking perspective: all bible verses aside, what is the problem?
Please do a video on the Ethiopian Bible. It seems to be very interesting for people who don’t know much on these things.
Jesus said "Any of those filled with the spirit of light will come forward to interpret what I have to say"
So that means women should preach?
Yes and women who share what they know about God, not as a leader in a church. It’s not complicated and it doesn’t make a woman less than
1 Tim 2:11-12
There are more ways to serve God than becoming leaders of men. A God-fearing woman should examine her heart honestly and recognize that there is a power search underneath her desire to lead men in spite of God’s instruction.
There are other positions of service within the scope of a congregation besides pastoral positions. (I know a pastor’s wife who leads the women ministry and children ministry, a bible study teacher who facilitates the learning.) However, serving God does not confine believers within the scope of a congregation, for those who are lost and whom we are commissioned by Christ to witness to predominantly live as outsiders of the congregation. My point is serving God should be the ultimate goal for EVERYTHING we take part in, whether it’s family, work, social life or church services. Then why does a woman seek for a spiritual shepherd’s position which God designs for men?
The word teaches older women to instruct younger women. I am a street minister with my late husband we had a very wonderful ministry to people coming out of extreme difficulties but I do believe pastors are men
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant in a public setting.
And remember the sabbath which is Saturday 😊and keep it Holy it is the 4th commandment in Exodus 20:8-11
10 - 6 - 23
#1
The BEST #1 topic in ALL of the Holy Bible of God's Word of Holy writ is not going to some
Seventh day Adventist church on Saturday's preaching your SATANIC
Investigative Judgment and your FALSE prophet Ellen G White
#2
The BEST #1 topic in the Holy Bible of God's Word of Holy writ is the
SPREADING/ PREACHING the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
#3
A ) Jesus Christ
B ) The Holy Apostles
C ) The Holy Apostle Paul
ALL went to the Synagogues on the Sabbath to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
What's your excuse ?
#4
NOT ONCE have YOU or ANY other Seventh day Adventist on ALL these videos you post on dealing with Adventism on ALL these
Threads/ Comments hasn't even bothered ONCE to mention ANYTHING about SPREADING or PREACHING the GRACE of the
Good News of the Gospel of
Jesus Christ
( NOT ONE ) ( NOT ONCE )
Why not ?
Too busy bestowing accolades to the Investigative Judgment ?
Too busy WORKING your technology ALL day on Saturday's ?
#5
Isn't Adventism SUPPOSED to be the ONLY ONE TRUE REMNANT religion denomination church which is SUPPOSED to SPREAD/ PREACH the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ ?
What are you waiting for ?
ANSWER
1st Corinthians 15 : 1 - 4
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
2 Timothy 1 : 8 - 9
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
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#10
LDS : Mormonism teaches that your sins are NOT BLOTTED OUT
SAME AS........
SDA : Are your sins blotted out ?
SIMPLE Yes.......or......no
#11
LDS : Mormonism teaches that Jesus did NOT FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery
SAME AS.........
SDA : Did Jesus FINISH his atonement on the CROSS at Calvery FINISHED PAID in FULL sins BLOTTED OUT FINAL payment paid in FULL , NOTHING ADDED
NO SECOND phase of atonement NECESSARY ?
SIMPLE Yes......or.......no
#12
LDS : SATAN the father of LIES the Devil is the Spirit brother of
Jesus Christ
SAME AS.........
SDA : SATAN the father of LIES the Devil is the Seventh day Adventist HERO SCAPEGOAT of Adventism
#13
Did Jesus REST on the Sabbath during his ministry on earth ?
SIMPLE Yes......or........no
Chapter and verse please
ANSWER
Colossians 2 : 14
( EUANGELION ) in the GREEK for the GRACE of the Good News of the Gospel of Jesus Christ
( The CROSS ✝️ )
His BURIAL ( NOT RESTED )
His PHYSICAL RESURRECTION on a beautiful SUNDAY !
ANSWER
GRACE
G - Gods
R - Riches
A - At
C - Christs
E - Expense
Try it , Jesus = GOD = YESHUA in the flesh loves you and so do I !
AGAPE !
Orthodox teaching is truth
I, concur 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
When I was a baby Christian I devoured the Bible. I believe personally a woman should not lead the church as a pastor. A woman can teach a Bible study among women. Or teach young children but that is it.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did.
God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel.
There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.
Agreed 💯
I agree with the office of SENIOR pastor being men only. However that does not exclude women from holding other offices and utilizing their gifts to advance the gospel.
I agree with you UNTIL you mention "other offices", nothing high up but only teaching children n or womens groups Amen!!!
👍🏼👍🏼💖🙏🏼💖🙏🏼💖🙏🏼💖☝🏼☝🏼
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
Complementarianism is a false doctrine that is in opposition to what God actually did.
God appointed a woman as a Judge over Israel.
There was no gender qualification to be a Judge, in the scriptures.
@@pamelathacker3374you are just a sexist twisting scripture. Be honest. You think God is a respector of persons?
@@8784-l3balso Junia! She was also a leader in the early church. For centuries Mary Magdalene was considered an apostle. Conveniently disappeared after the Reformation by.....men.
@@8784-l3bh Deborah was NOT a pastor, unless you want to engage in semantics. It was also a disgrace that the men of Israel had fallen away from God and were incapable of leading. "In those days Israel had no king and everyone did what was right in their own eyes." Deborah wasn't mentioned in Hebrews 11 (the "hall of fame" of faith). Barak was though. Women can teach other women and children but NOT have authority over men. With all the radical things Jesus did in his earthly lifetime, he was not instructed to select a female apostle. Nor did the apostles select a female candidate to replace Judas. Female "pastors" are part of the rebellion in the church. John MacArthur has an excellent bible study on this subject, which ought not to be controversial. Feminism has been destructive for Christian women.
Agree!
No woman pastors
Lack of confidence no faith.
Faith is the substance of things we hope for the evidence of things not seen.
Sure why not have faith in God He will give you the desire of your heart.
Because you are not independent in faith you lack off responsibility to be a woman pastor/ leader that is the problem I see in this picture.
@@tigiestmclean163No i see disobedience to the very word of God and an inflated ego is yours. Not a lack of Faith on her part. In fact it is by her Faith and obedience to God se chooses to listen to His very word and not follow after her own heart which by in itself wicked and rotten as it is. So she cannot trust her wicked heart for wisdom but only the infinite wisdom of God. Amen
@@ContendformyFaith Beloved, see when Mary Magdalene got delivered by Jesus Christ and love Jesus Christ all the way , until even looking for His body and because of her persistence looking for Him and because of her paying attention in what He was telling she and the disciples, even when they didn’t see Jesus body in the tomb the men disciples left forgotten what Jesus were telling them that He will rise in the third day but Mary still there crying looking for Him even the two angels called her “ woman “, why are you crying,” and she told them and that is what God the Father, Son expects from us believers and see our motives looking searching for Him pay attention in what He is telling us then as Mary was crying for Him and then when He saw that she really truly love Him and to love Him is to obey His commands and keep them, so He called her name and she recognized His voice and called Him back His name “Rabboni” meaning teacher.
At first before He called her name she thought he was the gardener.
( John 20:16)
John 10:3, the sheep listen to His voice He calls His own sheep by name. This was what happened to Mary Magdalene. After searching and looking for Jesus, He saw her love and desire for Him, and He called her name and she recognized Him period. So this tells me how anyone man or woman can search and look eagerly for Jesus, believe me they can be anything that Jesus strengthen them .
@@tigiestmclean163where are your scriptures that support your words
There are roles for women within the church however these roles do not include having any leadership over men.
Qualified male pastors and elders to lead the church. Deacons can be qualified males or females, and I believe that is up for a faithful debate. Roles need to be structured to reflect the biblical roles of all three of those offices.
We ARE ALL CALLED! 🙌 the woman at the well! Prophetess Deborah in the Old Testament, Anna, Miriam Huldah ! Yall really need to read ur Bible in Timothy Paul is talking to the women and men who are over the church about not allowing false teachers to preach!! He is giving the order of the church!!!
This passage is removed from the "bibles" of certain denominations. "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
I Corinthians 13:34...
It was never a 'law'.
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As in all the churches of the saints, the women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.
-excerpt 1 Corinthians 14
They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying,...
...Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son?...
Then the daughters of Zelophehad, the son of Hepher, the son of Gilead, the son of Machir, the son of Manasseh, of the families of Manasseh the son of Joseph, came forward; and these are the names of his daughters: Mahlah, Noah, Hoglah, Milcah, and Tirzah. They stood before Moses, before Eleazar the priest, before the leaders, and all the congregation at the entrance of the tent of meeting, saying, “Our father died in the wilderness, yet he was not among the group of those who gathered together against the Lord, in the group of Korah; but he died in his own sin, and he had no sons. Why should the name of our father be withdrawn from among his family simply because he had no son? Give us property among our father’s brothers.” So Moses brought their case before the Lord. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The daughters of Zelophehad are right about their statements.
-excerpt Numbers 27
Every single chance we could have easily taken momentum they just peed down their leg. Bynum…come oooon. Easy easy play. Nope, 14 point swing. Every single time we screw up the routine play when it could change the game, just like Mattison’s impossible pass to drop, honestly have no clue how that’s possible to drop, especially with gloves lol I couldn’t drop that unless I tried to drop it.
I hear brothers talk ALOT about what women can or can't do, but why don't you teach men with the same intensity about what they MUST do and what they MUST not? World would be better if Men submitted to Holy spirit,and then be leaders, not just wasting their time over theological debates on internet, being jobless and not marrying but sleeping around. ! It's not a women's problem its your hearts and your "abuse of authority "problem. First you fail at being the leader as you should be and then blabber about how women are responsible for it.. Just like Adam did in the garden of Eden.
Pauls letter to Timothy was intended to convey how the churches should be organized. Men were meant to preach , and women shouldn't have authority overen in a church. The disciples were all men. Women were originally made for man , because while men and women are all equally valuable , it was the woman that was made for the man as a help mate. Womens priorities , values , and standards and judgement are different than a mans and it was the woman that was decieved in the garden , not man. Man is the closest ideal human being because he was created as the closest representation of the image of God , having dominion over the earth , and over family as the head. Men have rule over their families to protect and provide for their wives and children. Women who rule over their husbands often don't respect them and will leave them for someone else.
you wrote:
and standards and judgement are different than a mans and it was the woman that was decieved in the garden , not man.
Yet God made Deborah a Judge over Israel, with the
authority to judge homicide cases. Also, according to
scripture, a Judge was REQUIRED to judge only the hardest
of cases. See Deuteronomy.
they can teach or preach to women like them or younger kids.. But not in the church or to pastors, elders or men who are serving churches of God.
Paul was talking about common day languages
Exactly
Who was the husband and wife in the Bible having church? Priscilla and Aquila very prominent leaders. They comended her work and church in her home. But like you said, she had a husband who was leading beside her right?
The Judges were pastors/shepherds according to God
in Chronicles. Deborah was a Judge. Her husband was not.
@@8784-l3b okay, thank you for clarifying that. I remember reading that. Very interesting.
@@MarcelynBourjolly-p3d
Sure. I suggest my short and free
essay on Deborah. Should you wish
a study.
Read time:10-15 minutes
It covers her story AND what a Judge was.
He who is in Christ is a NEW CREATURE, not a woman or a man. That CREATURE can lead a church. That CREATURE can win souls.
Exactly, we don’t have to be equal with men. We aren’t men, we don’t have the same responsibilities as men, and we aren’t less than just because we have a different role.
Complementarianism
The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier.
Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who
is masculine.
Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders.
A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the
lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less
like God who is masculine.
Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders.
So even a large group of women can not be a valid church
under any circumstances. For this group of women to become
a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The
addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form
a valid church.
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But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood...
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.
Perfectly stated. Women have a beautiful role that men do not have.
The fad of women preacher-leaders broke out in the 80s. As a young person sitting under a pastor condoning it, I bought into this. I realized that God's perfect wisdom and order supercedes the world system and culture.
He's said in separate videos women can and can not be pastors...so what is it???
Agreed!
Praise the lord. Somebody actaully made a true video showing women can’t be pastors!
what about a worship leader? my mom is the worship leader at my church and shes known music since she learned to walk and talk.
That's fine. There are no gender-specific roles in the
New Covenant. Reply for a discussion if desired.
Only if you believe the bible, 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. If you think the bible is old or outdated why bother using it?
Just saying.
Except in cases where the WORD would not be shared with people.
Where’s that verse that says that there are senior pastors again?
Brother Allen, You! strictly believe thata the office of a senior Pastor should be that of only a man and that is your belief. I believe that the only office a woman shouldn't hold is that of a Bishop seeing that God servant strictly tells us that Bishop, this office is for a husband of one wife. Bishop is the only office that is gender specific.
Any pastor not just a senior pastor. Actually the bible says no so it doesn't matter what pastor thinks
i agree and I’m sure everyone can or should agree that it doesn’t mean a woman is less than in the eyes of God. We’re his daughters too just like our men are his sons. It just means we have roles and God makes them known for our good, not to harm or hurt us.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
thank you for sharing your point of view. It was very well thought out and clear, I appreciate that. I agree, God can use whoever He chooses and has proven that many times throughout scripture and still to this day. He doesn’t care about our human self proclaimed or culture placed statuses. At the same time, I view the role as lead pastor, in the same category as head of the household. There are specific roles we were made and best suited for but that doesn’t mean we don’t have the ability to carry out the other role. Or do you also believe a wife should be head of the household instead of her husband if he is fully capable? Are woman capable of leading a household, yes 1000% if needed. Are woman capable of being lead pastors, yes 1000% if chosen. Were woman included as Jesus disciples, YES and still are. But was one woman chosen as apart of the 12? No. Deborah was a judge and prophet in her time and the only one showing us that this was uncommon. That is not something to be offended about or say, look men can only rule over woman in Gods eyes. That statement is completely false because in the kingdom, the leaders should be acting as the servants if they are chosen by God. Pastors are not ruling over anyone, they are appointed to be servants of a church. Jesus is the only ruler as King in any church setting. I’m not going to say I’m right or I know it all. Clearly that is a silly thing to think for anyone but this is simply my view and opinion on the matter. I respect all brothers and sisters in Christ equally.
@@jessicaeggleston8033 There are no gender-specific roles
in the New Covenant. Else the priesthood mentioned by Peter
(But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood,...) is a
2-tiered priesthood based on birthright.
@@8784-l3b I agree, gender has nothing to do with the new covenant. Jews, gentiles, male, female, free, slave, we’re all invited. Jesus is our high priest, judge and king. There is no hierarchy under King Jesus. There are however roles within the church body but again no role (body part) is greater than another in any aspect.
@@jessicaeggleston8033
If only men can be elders, deacons, leaders, etc.
that creates a 2-tiered priesthood. Not sure if you
believe that or not. If you do I'll paste up MY definition
of Complementarianism, which may help in this matter.
No we have similar gifts as men, but we do not have the same calling..
I agreed 100% - Eu concordo 100%
As a woman I agree. There is at least one qualification that disqualifies a woman.
I LOLed
We are too emotional is one for me to disqualify a woman. Women should not be over their husband is another for me.
Men are much more logical plus the Lord gave them the word. Adam was a man given the original word from the Lord. Moses, Noah, Jeremiah, and Jonah were all men. Jesus and the 12 Disciples were all what?? Yes Mary was a follower and mother Mary was Jesus mother but we were never intended to worship her which is why the catholic religion is unbiblical plus they hide the artifacts at the Vatican that would cause others to believe in Jesus thus being saved. They prevent salvation going into the world thus they are serving the devil.
Imagine trying to teach scripture without a penis. It doesn't even make sense.
@@lakeishabrown4124 can you please explain how being a pastor or leading a ministry is “being over their husband?” He is not speaking of leading the home now. This is about ministry.
We need to obey everything that's in the New Covenant not just pick and choose
Yup!
🤦🏿♀️so THE MOST HIGH GOD elevated Deborah to judge over Isreal and put Golda Meir in position of Prime Minister of Isreal but HE does want women to be over a church? Make it make sense. If your understanding of what Paul or anyone else wrote goes against GOD's Words especially those shown in HIS actions, you are not understanding correctly. GOD said a womans desire would be for her own husband and he would rule over her. I am still looking for the scripture where GOD made women subject to a man other than her husband.
But why don’t churches let them pray out loud in the assembly! Corinthians definitely teaches that they can. And prophesying . Meaning edification.
Women pastor to everyone born 6 days a week. Cant men have one day? And a woman get atleast a day off? This was the foundation of the family unit. Society directly reflects the foundation of sand.
I think it is ok for women to ask about the teachings of the Bible, but not to teach. We need to learn. I think we all need to follow the Ten Commandments.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@8784-l3b
Esther was the one who saved her nation, not Mordecai. She was the one who proclaimed a fast to take time and pray, not Mordecai.
Women can hold some leadership roles in the church. They cannot be ordained as priests but may be deacons
I think in maybe a women's study on how to be a holy woman in a man's world it could be lead by a matriarch and God gives women unbelievable intuition they should be the strong neck of the head , to think that we are downing a woman's role is to not know God at all.... Women are the nurture of the church Jesus is the church,
I believe in women pastors
The bottom line is if men can’t get it together like many male pastors can’t , won’t and don’t. God will use whosoever he sees fit to use to bless his people. God’s ways are not our ways nor his thoughts our thoughts. So are you saying the people who have been saved under women pastors are not saved? Don’t limit God he is not on your insecure men pastors level that think this way and he never will be. God help them please is my prayer Amen.🙏🏽🙌🏾
You are 100% in rebellion to God’s word
@@NotCalvinist777 Again what if a woman leads a man to accept Jesus as his Lord and savior????? God uses whosoever he will to save souls!!!! No rebellion there not even 1%. He doesn’t want one soul to be lost. You don’t know anything about the he love of God.
@@lindaeledan5198 if a woman leads a Manteca, Lord, that is perfectly fine, and it is the duty of a Christian. A woman just cannot be the pastor of a church, nor can she usurp he authority of a man.
@@lindaeledan5198 the whole issue is about women leading the church as pastors and holding offices of authority in the church. That is clearly for bidden by the word of God. Any deviation from that is rebellion
As a pastor myself, I believe the word of God permits women to Pastor. In the book of Romans, Paul shows us that they are women apostles, so if they are women apostles, why shouldn’t there be women pastors? Scripture also teaches us that in the last day God will pour his spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters will prophesy, the word prophesy means to proclaim the word
If God made her a prophetess, her work involves more than church. Prophets go places. They do not all stay in church.
I’ve seen women pastors/Prophets, more powerful than most male preachers.
I’ve seen women Ps/Prophets, healing the sick, casting out demons, prophesying if God didn’t want women in these positions then why have I seen God use women in a mighty way?
Please add link to the full video.
Who was Deborah in the Old Testament? Wasn't she a Judge and the leader of the army? Stop trivializing the worth of women. Peter denied and abandoned christ..but the women followed and found out where His tomb was. Christ appeared first to a woman.
The Judges were pastors/shepherds as written in Chronicles.
I wrote a short free essay on Deborah, so I am very familiar
with her story AND what a Judge was.
@@8784-l3b As a Judge, she settled disputes and was leader of the army. I pointed that out to show that The Almighty one entrusted her with all those duties just as he trusted a man. A woman is teacher and nurturer , Our heavenly Father chooses whomever is fit for the job.
@@coleenlyons1630
Sure.
By the way, a Judge could judge homicide cases, therefore a Judge
could execute a man for the sin of premeditated murder.
Also, God ruled Israel through the Judges.
I just want you to know they
were shepherds/pastors. A Judge was the most important
spiritual leader of this time period. When a Judge died the
people went back to their sinful ways. (This is all in my free
essay should you wish a study at some point.)
I think that the women should let the men have the church and talk to the men all they want to and the women should talk to each other and let the men do all the weeding clean the bathrooms serve the people do everything for themselves because we sure don’t need to listen to somebody who is biased and feels that we don’t have a say in anything. So you just go on and believe him and the women stay home and read your Bible and praise God and pray
I love parr such a brilliant pastor, but sometimes his tone in his voice jars me and I find it difficult to listen.
Imagine that the Bible didn't say anything about women not veing allowed to be pastors: would women then be allowed to be pastors? Or is there another reason that would disqualify women?
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@8784-l3b Interesting! Thanks.
Does that mean that you think Paul was wrong when he prohibited women teaching men? Or do you just have a different interpretation of that verse?
@@IndyB23
The gospel is a teaching. The first and most important of all. If a woman can teach a man the gospel, she can teach all the lesser teachings to men. This is logic.
Even in the teaching/preaching of the gospel, a man may ask a woman
about something scriptural/spiritual. So if the man asks about the so-called
7 deadly sins, she can't say a word? If indeed she can speak to him about this
as an unsaved man, then she can't once he becomes saved?
When all this becomes about gender, instead of the Holy
Spirit, there is confusion.
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Complementarianism
The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier.
Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who
is masculine.
Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders.
A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the
lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less
like God who is masculine.
Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders.
So even a large group of women can not be a valid church
under any circumstances. For this group of women to become
a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The
addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form
a valid church.
____________________________________
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood...
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.
Wonderful People:
All we have to look at is YHWH's Alignment:
YHWH
YESHUA
MAN
WOMAN
There are great women leaders in the bible.
Can anyone show me a passage of Scripture that describes the office of “pastor”?
I'm a lady who just want to be sown seeds of truth. I rather a lady sow truth into me than a man sowing falsehood into me. Both gender can sow seeds of truth, some can sow seeds of falsehood. Not all women are like Paula White or Victoria Osteen. Not all men are the opposite of Kenneth Copeland or T.D. Jakes.
Plus, I do not feel all women who share the Lord's word is looking for power or authority. Some simply just want to see souls saved.
I know I'll get backlash for it, and that is OK. Just because a man was made to be leader does not mean there are no man who can lead astray and always make perfect decisions and have perfect knowledge. Ladies need discernment because on Judgment Day we are not going to get to use submissiveness as a way to get out of being held accountable for sins done out of submission or going along with what a man said that wasn't right.
If I had married my son's father when my son was a kid,, one of the things I would have had to submit to was my son not getting grounded when doing bad in school.
I got a little off subject here, but wanted to add to a point.
The Bible has all authority and therefore should be obeyed. Women should not hold any of these positions. Thankful to attend a church with fantastic male leaders steeped in apologetics.
God will use whom ever to get the message out. Men who feel threatened when a woman is annointed by God, will always cling to to 1 Corinthians 14:33-36. Paul was creating order in the church. During that time as custom husbands and wives didn't sit together. The women sat at the back of the synagogue and men sat near the speaker. Wives would yell to ask their husbands to explain or to repeat what the speaker was saying. To keep order and to follow man's " written law" at the time which was women must be quiet in public. Next they use 1 Timothy 2:12 out of context as again if you read it in context it is talking about Man's law of the land during the time of the early church 1 Timothy 2:2. One of the first woman preachers was the good Samaritan at the well in John 4. In John 4:29-30 "Come, see a Man who told me all things that I ever did. Could this be the Christ?” 30Then they went out of the city and came to Him." If Jesus wanted only men to speak about Him in public why use a woman to bring others to Him. All who believe in Jesus are called to share "The Good News". The great commission in Mark 16:14-15 Jesus uses the word "they" not men. It is imperative to study your bible and also understand the mens law vs. Gods laws. Therefore, if God our creator and Jesus did not want women to preach about God and share the "Goods News" of Jesus, we wouldn't have women Mary Magdelene, Mary mother of James and John who went and preached of Jesus return. Lydia who provided for Paul and held prayer meetings, Priscilla was a church leader with her husband Aquila and was highly regarded by Paul & Luke (who wrote acts) spoke often about her work to others. For the clarity in reading the bible asking the Holy Spirit to guide you in all truths. Do not lean unto your own or man's understanding, ask God. He will reveal all truths. As Christians we lean on others instead of taking all things to God which is a sin in itself. James 4:7-17
Romans 16:3: "Give my greetings to Priscilla and Aquila, my co-workers in the ministry of Christ Jesus."
On point brother 💯. I'm tired of people misquoting verses and twisting Scriptures to fit their narratives. Women can and should PREACH if God calls them to do so.
@@evansglobal1crazy u call it twisting scripture when scripture literally says women cannot be pastors. U are the one are twisting the scriptures.
@@JayfoundJesus show me where the Bible says women shouldn't be pastors. Stop deceiving yourself and face reality for once.
@@evansglobal1 okay brother i will show u!
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You have to pay attention to his key words. He said senior level. That is incorrect. At any level leading a church, they can not be pastors. They can do other things ìn the church but not pastor. We have to be careful not to add or change things to the word.
I believe that women should be teaching other women and children. If a woman desires to be a pastor then let her be a childrens minister. Women are especially gifted in leading children. We see very clearly in the bible that women are never meant to pastor or excercise authority over MEN.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@8784-l3b Men and women are not equal! Never was like that, never will be like that! Making both equal is the work of the devil!
@@Triebwerkstoerung
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
-excerpt Judges 4
Great religion where you can pick and choose what you want to believe and do?😊
Never. We will be held accountable for all of our actions
I think we need to define what a pastor is because maybe we do not have the same definition
I don't think women should be pastors, however If they wanted to teach Sunday school before church starts that's fine.
... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ... IF you (apostles, prophets, evangelists, preachers, teachers) are truly called and chosen by God to preach the precious Gospel of Jesus Christ, please GO FORTH and make disciples. If this is for you (and if the shoe fits you), you NEED to STOP spending so much time on "should women be Pastors/Bishops. For ALL men/women who read the Word of God KNOW without a shadow doubt that NO woman should be a Pastor/Bishop over a church body. I said all that to say this, all the time spent on an issue of "should a woman be a Pastor/ Bishop " is time wasted and could and should be used on LEADING loss souls to Jesus Christ and NOT debating over a matter that HAS ALREADY been truly answered and made plainly clear in God's Holy Word and it is NOT UP FOR NEGOTIATION and will NEVER be NEGATED. So let's NOT waste anymore time on this subject. Instead, GO and preach/teach the Gospel to those lost souls on their way to Hell so they may hear the Gospel and come to Jesus Christ. And, for those who think Hell doesn't exist I hate to be the bare of BAD news but Hell is real and awaits YOUR arrival if you DON'T accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and the GOOD news is Heaven is absolutely real as well and awaits YOUR arrival BUT ONLY IF YOU ACCEPT JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOR. Jesus is standing with open arms to receive YOU, so DON'T wait until tomorrow for tomorrow, which is NOT promised to anyone, maybe one day too late. This is NOT a clinche, BUT truth. Jesus loves YOU very much, and so do I. God bless everyone.
Just because you are a woman doesn't mean you can not share the Gospel.
Look what happened to the episcopal church and Lutherans
I used to be in the women can be pastors camp. Then I went to a church where women were not and enthusiastically changed my view without really digging deeper. then over time I changed back to believing that God gives gifts to who He wants. That is men and women. I also read extensively on the subject from various scholars on both sides. Ultimately I think women can lead and serve in church including being pastor. I recommend you read Dr. Payne's book about Biblical Womanhood it sums up each point with scholarly evidence of why gender restrictions are not Biblical. A person can hold a high view of scripture and still believe in women leaders, morally, ethics, etc. I've seen that. I've also seen reformed people go off the rails into treatment of women as cattle for breeding, but using scripture and twisting it. Bible verses must be looked at both in context of the passage, historically, and if it's prescriptive or not for all people. The same people who claim women should not lead conveniently do not do the same treatment with topics such as slavery, marrying the sister if the wife passes, or my favorite, if Adam is the best or magically endowed with leadership because he was created first, you have to apply the same logic to all of Creation, so animals would be a higher order creature than man. See how faulty it becomes? 🙄. I also look at how the church is alienating singles. How is that happening you might ask? Well the truth is that most singles in churches across America are female and they attend also more regularly then men. If you tell them their sole purpose is reproduction and housework do you think they are going to stay around when you limit them? No. They could be going out and preaching and getting more people in the churches doors. But nope. They can't do that. A gifted woman with a theology degree is relegated to never starting a church. It's absurd. And teaching is a gift. I don't know how many times I've heard a ♂️ pastor be a pastor but the guy had no clue how to pastor yet there he is....because of his anatomy. Sounds like sexism. Because it is.
I respect and understand your viewpoint. But your argument is off of intellect and not biblical. Where are your scriptures sister? No book other than the Bible will support your thesis because you will be going of the word of man not the word of God. Not matter how much we’ve experienced or know we cannot deviate what the Bible says.
“A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.”
This does not mean a woman does not have spiritual gifts. Woman have plentiful gifts and they’re not simply used to bear child. I don’t understand why many women wish to find authority over men. They try to justify it with their logic with no scriptures, and even when there are scriptures that negate their position they still brush it off. Here’s another scripture:
“Now the overseer is to be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect. He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the same judgment as the devil. He must also have a good reputation with outsiders, so that he will not fall into disgrace and into the devil’s trap.”
1 Timothy 3:2, 4, 6-7 NIV
Overseer = Pastor
Notice how the Bible says HE and how HE has to be faithful to his wife. A woman pastor cannot be faithful to her wife because homosexuality is forbidden in scriptures as well.
“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NIV
You're on point.
I for one just think the church should create a title that fits a woman that can teach but can't lead
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah. Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually. She was a pastor, according to the scriptures. This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles, by God.
A woman could only be given the authority by God to execute a man for his sin, if women are spiritually equal to men. A Judge could judge homicide cases according to Deuteronomy. Therefore Deborah, as a Judge, could execute a man for his sin.
A Judge was cleared to teach from scripture as he/she gave a verdict, according to Deuteronomy. Since in Judges 4, men went to Deborah to be judged, a woman could teach men, even in the Old Covenant.
@@8784-l3b I get you, but what is the exercise of authority Paul stated, what does it really mean & I think that's the issue. We really don't know what he meant.
@@gabrielalohan728 Regardless of what Paul meant, God
ruled Israel through the Judges. That included Deborah.
Also I will ordain a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, and they shall dwell in their place, and shall be moved no more; neither shall the children of wickedness waste them any more, as at the beginning, and since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel.
-excerpt 1 Chronicles 17 verses 9 and 10 KJV -God speaking to Nathan the prophet
@@gabrielalohan728
Complementarianism
The priesthood of the New Covenant is tiered. There is a hierarchy.
A new believer is automatically assigned their level, higher or lower, at the moment of salvation, as a birthright. Their gender determines their tier. A Christian can not move to a higher or lower tier.
A church can be made up of only men, because men are in the higher tier.
Men are the superior gender, being male, and therefore more like God who
is masculine.
Therefore men can be leaders, for example, elders.
A church can NOT be made up of only women, because women are in the
lower tier. Women are the inferior gender, being female, and therefore less
like God who is masculine.
Therefore women can't be leaders, for example, elders.
So even a large group of women can not be a valid church
under any circumstances. For this group of women to become
a valid church, at least one man must join it as an elder. The
addition of just one higher-tier Christian would instantly form
a valid church.
____________________________________
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood...
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
A 2-tiered priesthood doesn't exist, but this is what Complementarianism supports. It is a false teaching. It uses double-talk by telling women they are equal to men, yet states that women can't teach men. It states that a group of Christian women can not be a church under any circumstances.