The biggest flaw of this manufactured debate is the fact, you can’t put LeBron in your top 10 knowing the following: • Left and joined Bosh and Wade in his prime. • With a super team lost to Dallas and being the reason they lost • Swept by the Spurs & GS (lost 4-1 in 2014 against the Spurs) • Left Miami when it got tough and went back to Cavs to play with younger Kyrie and Love • Left again and help force AD out to LA With all that, moving and team stacking, still only ended up with 3 rings and 1 bubble ring. I use these points because he hasn’t caught Jordan in accolades, metrics, stats, nor impact on the game. The only thing he’s saying are opinions, who HE’D chose. Lebron with all the extra years and stacked squads still hasn’t surpassed Jordan in rings, MVPs, Final MVP, DPOY, etc. Lebron fans want to give him credit for participation and ignore the failures in the biggest moment. Playing 20+ years is awesome, but not the standard to define the GOAT.
Dont forget lebron taking steroids in maimi . Being part of the only pro team to win bronze . The lewalk out special in the 4th( zero sportsmanship) and drive to takw over. Zeke (isiah thomas ) got flak for not shaking. Hands while lebron cant take the L with his team and throws them under the bus whem he lewalksouts. Never made an original number his icon number. Usinf 23 cause he has to remember the peak or repeats he'll never have or known. Plus hes extremly selfish on the court. 40k points happened at a loss. Lol didnt deserve mvp for bubble or olympics. Ad and curry shouldve gotten those mvps. Like theres to little of anything claim hes tbe goat lol. The only thing special about him. Is his longevity. But not really cause kareem also played for a long time. Kareem. Kobe zeke and duncan are the only ones with a argument. To claim beimg better then mj. Amd the only few better are wilt and bill. Wilt has all the records and bill all the ringz
Playing 20yrs isn’t awesome esp when in those 20yrs most of it is spent losing,a short winning career is awesome and better than spending all ur time losing smh
@@Christo_Trismegistus His fans will give you the excuse that he's been the most consistent, but it's misleading because the offense has been catered to him for most of the Olympics. You see how KD is just now starting. Nobody is supposed to outshine LeBron. It's always been that way. they know kd would go beast mode from the begin
10 times out of 10 times I’m going with the weapon that gives me 10 scoring titles and two three-peats and makes my Franchise relevant. Lebum made super team building , team hopping and coming up short acceptable and some how he’ll go with that guy 🤡
10 scoring titles and 9 NBA all defense + 1 DPOY. Thats insane. Lebron gets due credit for being the all time scorer while also being top 5 in assists. But that is a reflection more of his longevity while MJ was simply at the very very top. People bring up Pippen...its a FACT that MJ helped mold Pip into a great player. Guarding each other in scrimmages, 1 on 1 after practice, and inviting Pip to train at his house in the summer, all these things led to Pip becoming great. Then theres Phil Jackson..the guy who was coaching in Puerto Rico before he joined the already rising Chicago Bulls. Phil won championships only while conveniently having 3 players that are in the all time top 10 (MJ, Kobe, Shaq).
LeBron winning Bronze in 04 and 06 is why they needed Kobe to save him in the Redeem team - also why he needed Steph Curry and Kevin Durant to save him this time.
True but that’s not even the point, just by watching them play it pretty easy to see who’s the best, plus MJ won with whoever they put together with him instead of running around and making coaches fired ‘cause they didn’t do what he wanted, LeBron attitude is of a coward incapable to win if not with a stacked deck!!!!
Not just that, when has Lebron won anything where he didn't have a stacked team? You could mention the Lakers, but even then that's 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA playing together.
😢And I don't hate Lebron with every fiber of my being. Even though I wish his digestive tract would reverse itself, if it hasn't already... Maybe that's why he keeps shoving all these worthless accolades up his own ass and spewing out of his mouth nothing but shitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshit shitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshit...and then some more😮 good grief.
Magic, MJ, Bird, Duncan, Russell, to cover each position...among others. My personal first pick for such a draft is Bird, because he can and will do anything and will lift all his teammates to new heights. Also, I really don't want to play against him, if I'm drafting against someone else.
That guy is the archetype of the delusional soft weak minded Lebron fanboy, it’s pitiful. He was rambling all year that the Lakers were going to win the Championship, they failed miserably and somehow that doesn’t hurts LeQueen but scoring garbage points against Bruno Caboclo, makes him the greatest of all time. lol
I was thinking this the whole time. Curry was drafted and won 🏆 🏆 🏆🏆. Tim Duncan was drafted and won 🏆 🏆🏆🏆🏆. Even Wade won 🏆🏆🏆 with the team that drafted him. If you just want someone to get you 1 🏆 you can draft Dirk, Giannis, Kawhi, Jokić, Tatum, Brown, or a ton of other guys.
hahah they said the same shit on arenas show. "I get lebron for 20 years!" NO YOU DO NOT. You get him until he leaves to the next team up elsewhere and then he comes back and leaves again.
They tried hard to give it to him in Cavs when Draymond was out, Steph was not at 100%, refs were boosting their plays and in the Lakers a Mickey Mouse ring. 😅
I know exactly what you're referrring to. You think I haven't heard this Jordan fanboy defense a thousand times over? Bird never called Jordan better than himself just because he paid him a compliment. Now accept that Bird owned Jordan instead of throwing out bs like I don't know basketball. YOU DON'T KNOW BASKETBALL IF YOU THINK THE MANTLE OF GOAT BELONGS TO A GUY THAT BIRD BEAT MF 14X IN A ROW.
MJ literally made the Bulls one of the most iconic franchises in the NBA. LeBron's career has only been about himself, no loyalty to a franchise or its fans.
@@ezetram774 this right here . 🫶🏾 .. I owe a team no loyalty its a job . I’m there to win chips and pack the stands .Kobe wanted a trade to Chicago … would they have called him a ring chaser if the trade went through ? 🤦🏾 .
@@Kingchasethebag-yeah what have the bulls ever done before or since jordan tho? You had Derrick rose for a couple years but that’s about it. I honestly reckon without drafting jordan that team may not be around now
Dats literally y’all gen. Y’all poison our minds 24/7 sayin everything y’all did was better den ours😭. Y’all in competition with us so hard jus bc we young and think on our own
I mean the Olympics only showed us that LeBron needs at least 4 to 5 all-nba players just to win the Olympics against teams that barely got any NBA players.
@@birdman423 Was Jordan the best player on the floor when Bird came back from double digits in the fourth quarter in Chicago to complete his second sweep in a row?
@@FavreianVengeance of course he was, apparently he came into the league being known as the best basketball player Bob Knight has ever seen, and from what I’ve seen he was not wrong.
@BayWolf-pp1evi remember u, except Kobe averaged like 40 in for a month in the middle of the dead ball era, just saying… not to offend or start an argument, but i mean… stats aren’t everything and lebrons especially, they’re just a tiny bit inflated…
Most of LeBron's Tik Tok, social media fans never watched Michael Jordan play a single game live on TV. They only know him from film, memes, shoes and commercials. They're just preaching to ignorant kids and trying to build up an audience. Just like "we're done with the 90's"
well Jordan had a ton of scoring titles, better defender, better handles, more moves, better PG, woulda been better even at Lebrons SF position. & 3-peated twice & didn’t run all over ring chasing.
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD LBJ 29/11/8 on 59% AD 25/10/3 on 57% AD could have won the MVP based on his defense. But I don’t know why voter’s didn’t take into account his 2 blocks and 1 steal per game
"Rings don't matter..." But one more Gold medal does 🤔 1) Then why'd LeBron leave Cleveland for Miami, Jump back to Cleveland when Wade and bish started showing wear & tear despite the 8 ring promise and why did LeBron get half of the 2019 Lakers traded away for AD if rings didn't mean anything? 2) This is a part of LeBrons legacy. The argument for the devaluing of a championship.
@@onizoddYea they all were planning on signing 3 year deals so that they could then play together. Melo took the 4 year deal. After Kobe won his 5th, that was when Wade was like "Yo, we need to team up NOW because we have to catch Kobe!" The irony? They still haven't 😂😂
100%. Rodman was correct when he said, Lebron has no move. Drive straight to the basket and bulldoze his defender. That's it. Only Lebron delusional fans would say otherwise. His footwork is still flawed after 20 years as well as his dribbling.
I can't wait for the day that Lebron is no longer defended by the media. His uncalled offensive fouls, his travelling, his turnovers...but most of all, I want the steroid scandal to break. I want his legacy crumbled. Lebron James is the Barry Bonds or A-Rod of Basketball, a great player who was insecure and took the easy path, every time.
No, it's a simple argument based om rational transitivity. Russell has more rings than MJ, but since MJ is more versatile, MJ is better than Russell. However, the same argument does not apply when comparing MJ and LeBron. MJ has more rings than LeBron, but LeBron is more versatile than MJ, LeBron is better than MJ.
@@MrClebophdHow is Lebron more versatile? He has no bag no handles cant shoot except layups was never a better defender than Jordan and hasn't even played defense in a decade. And if you say hes a better passer he only avgs 1 more assist a game and if you say he can guard all 5 positions name 1 actual center he guarded? So please explain how is he more versatile and better than Jordan
@@MrClebophd LeBron is the definition of big for nothing. The man could be a great two-way player, but he doesn’t play that way. The only great defensive place I’ve seen them do are chase down blocks, but other than that, he is not a lockdown defender or even half that. Also, you can’t even say that he’s a shooter either as he’s very inconsistent with the 3 ball and didn’t even take the time to learn it until Curry popularized it.
@@leonardjackson6210 The hate is strong with this one. LeBron is more versatile because he is bigger and stronger. This means that he can do more. He can defend bigger opponents, rebound better, and pass over taller opponents. He is also a better shooter from long range. You are correct that LeBron is not a center, but he can play the power forward position. This MJ could never do because he was too small and too weak. LeBron can use his size and strength to dominate - that's why he has a great FG% slightly better than MJ's. Let's assume that you are the coach. The opponents have a post player like Alonzo Morning or Karl Malone. Can you put MJ to defend them. No, that would be a very bad match-up. LeBron would do better. In basketball, size matters and it evident in versatility.
A few things: 1) All you are saying, if you believe that this era is "super hyper skilled", is that if MJ played today, he would be surrounded by even better players. MJ would be even better than he was and probably have more chips, not fewer. 2) Jordan didn't have a chance to be clutch in the Olympics.... because they actually did what they were supposed to do and blow out teams.... Jordan also took a backseat in the Olympics in 92, to let the other guys shine - this was obvious to anyone who watched. 3) If you want to have some fun, look at Lebron in the last 5 minutes of the Finals, to tie or win the game. It's like 20%. Please do a video on this. Lebron-is-the-goat-fans are terrible people - I mean that. And dumb.
No because lebron leaves your team to join a super team. Inconsistent on defense, clutch, and shooting. Whiner, flopper, questionable teammate, consistent failure, and intolerably arrogant.
@@thomashinchliff2173 We usually win when we bring up Bron leading a Finals in all 5 stats vs a 70 win team and 0 top 75 players on his team. What did Jordan do? Avg 40ppg against Dan Majerle?
@@andrewcook1246 Jordan dropped the highest score ever in the playoffs against the legendary 1986 Celtics team with 5 Hall of famers on it. Jordan has the highest scoring average in the playoffs in history. Jordan is 6-0 in the finals and never even got to a game 7. Jordan won MVP, Finals MVP, DPOY, a ring, and scoring champ in the same year. Any other dumb questions?
@@andrewcook1246 btw, Jordan averaged damn near 40 against EVERYONE who tried to step to him. Bron didn't even make the final shot in that series you referenced hahaha you clown
Rings don't matter. Scoring titles don't matter. DPOY awards don't matter. Playing all 82 games doesn't matter. Making up phantom injuries in order to sit out competing against tough opponents doesn't matter. Clutch play doesn't matter. Not having any "go to" moves to score without traveling, carrying, and offensive fouling doesn't matter. Flopping and whining don't matter. Not running back on defense forcing your teammates to play 4 on 5 while you lazily hang back for stat-padding scoring opportunities doesn't matter. Wrecking franchises doesn't matter. Forcing a franchise to draft your scrub son and give him a gauranteed contract doesn't matter. Taking credit for wins that your teammates literally bailed you out from losing doesn't matter. Never cracking even 80% from the free throw line in any of your 21 seasons in the NBA doesn't matter. Having BY FAR the most turnovers in NBA history doesn't matter. Forcing your wife and paying members of the media to call you the GOAT doesn't matter. So yes, LeBron might be the GOAT in a world where NOTHING actually matters. But in the real world, he's not even top 20!
I don't understand media or fans when it comes to LeBron. Yes he is one of the greatest, but he cannot carry a team, he does not make players better. He needs at least two stars to be relevant. Otherwise, he's around .500. Lakers are perfect example. With only he and Davis and the refs the Lakers have been barely significant since the bubble.
Thank you! LeBron has had a minimum of at least 2 other all star players in their prime whenever he has won a championship. LeBron is a great player but he's not winning anything with just one all star player.
@@Zal8888Congrats. In a short season with alot of players opting not 2 play in the bubble Lebron won a championship with one allstar player. Mike did that 4 times playin all 82
The Olympics are the perfect evidence that LeBron doesn't make players better. If you gave any one of the stars on the Olympic team their NBA starting lineup, they'd likely win Bronze. With all the stars they had, they should have won each of these games in a blowout. But they ran things through LeBron, the turnover king who purposely plays for assists. It reduced all their stars to role players trying to win LeBron's way. If they played the Warriors' style of play with Steph or KD leading the way, they blow these teams out. But LeBron wouldn't be able to be in the lineup unless he was going to play Draymond Green's role on the floor. LeBron would've been the one sitting like Tatum was. But you can't get LeBron to take a backseat so the team can play to its full potential. He's there to get credit for winning. The credit is more important than the winning. He'd rather lose than have to win without getting the credit because we all know, if they lose, the media blames everyone but LeBron. If Curry didn't save them, they would blame Kerr for not playing Tatum enough, or they'd blame Hill and Nike for not putting Brown on the team.
I love how that guy uses probably the WORST argument for picking LeBron. Not only is it the easiest argument for me NOT to pick LeBron but LeBron wouldn't even make my top 10. If I'm building a culture of success for my franchise I'm looking Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Kareem, Shaq, Curry, etc. etc. before I would ever pick LeBron. The guy is a literal cancer to any organization. If I picked LeBron the only thing I could expect would be to get fired, after trading away future talent, trading away future 1st rd draft picks, firing multiple coaches, and not achieving anything.
Never ever would I take labrick la china la pro criminal over 1st Jordan 2 Kobe 3rd bird 4 th magic 5 Shaq 6 Kareem 7 th Duncan 8th Hakeem. Then I’d have to start thinking 🤔 who else LACHOKE ISNT IN MY TOP 10 how does this Olympics count when he was basically trashed throughout it. But the bronze medals, the losses that have never happened to a USA team before laclown came in stop it with the bs
Lebron had two points and four turn overs in the 4th quarter of the Olympic final. Imagine how Russ would have been characterized if he performed like that for team USA. Would they have given him the MVP for having some nice averages in the meaningless group games?? Doubtful...
Like they treated the Role Players on the Lakers when they don't save Lebron's ass. Isn't he the GOAT? Isn't he the best player on the team? Shouldn't he put the team on HIS back? But every teammate is a scapegoat.
I think it's a breath play thing, for them. The hypoxia makes them lightheaded and causes them to ramble about things with no connection to reality. They're just into it.
Yal up LeBron behind more than his fans that’s why you wake up everyday looking for something to comment on about a guy you claim you don’t like at all
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen 84-85 38-44..First round exit 85-86. 30-52..First round exit 86-87. 40-42...First round exit 01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs 02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs Lebron james has won more playoff Series' than any player in NBA HISTORY Lebron james has been to 10 nba finals. Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones (in a mostly nine team league) have made more nba finals appearances LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate Rick Barry (1975) Bill Walton (1977) Hakeem Olajuwon (1994) Tim Duncan (2005) (2007) Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010) Steph Curry (2015) (2022) LeBron james (2016) Kawhi Leonard (2019) Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021) As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were 83-84 bulls 27-55 84-85 bulls. 38-44 92-93 bulls 57-25 93-94 bulls 55-27 98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen 00-01 wizards 19-63 01-02 wizards. 37-45 02-03 wizards 37-45 03-04 wizards 25-57 02-03 cavaliers 17-65 03-04 cavaliers 35-47 09-10 cavaliers 61-21 10-11 cavaliers 19-63 09-10 heat. 47-35 10-11 heat 58-24 14-15 heat 37-45 2013-14 cavaliers 33-49 2014-15 cavaliers 53-29 2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32 2018-19 cavaliers 19-63 2017-18 lakers. 35-47 2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day. As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank. Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck. THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!! I have added a Postscript So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER to make the playoffs in 1985, as opposed to 2004. Perfect example is, the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
This hypothetical all-time draft is quite possibly the worst pro lbj argument possible. He jumps ship at the earliest possible moment. Has a playstyle that needs to be complimented and turns everyone else into role players. He has a high maintenance personality and will call for everyone else’s head when the team fails. He is extremely toxic in game (flopping, complaining, giving up after misses and turnovers, often his own, forgets to move on both ends if he doesn’t have an opportunity to accrue stats, poor shot selection, argues with teammates). Maybe I am crazy, but I don’t see how lbj would even be a first round pick in a situation like this.
why would you a draft a player that can't develop with other players and couldn't win until he colluded with 2 other first ballot hall of famers from his own confrence and draft class still loose and the same guy you claim you would draft number 1 needs 118 trades hmm that doesn't even sound like a top 10 or 15 draft pick to me oh and he needed to literally form a sports agency again to make sure he hand picks teammates
@@ricardolozano5356 The thing is, the year before Bird joined the Celtics, the only two players with a positive Box +/- were Maxwell and Cowens, with 3.1 and 0.3 respectively. Once Bird joined, only four players (including two of the four newbies) got a negative Box +/-. Bird may not have won those 61 games on his own, but his play elevated his teammates in a way no other player has managed to, before or since.
When Lebron loses, “It’s just basketball (meanwhile he walks to the locker room and leaves his teammate’s hanging) When Lebron wins, “I’m the best player in the world🤡.” Lebron fans, “His longevity makes him the best, rings don’t matter, he’s the goat🤡.” 😂😂😂😂😂
As a Cavs fan I can definitively say, 10 out of 10 times I’d draft the guy who won his NBA title-less city/team TWO 3peats over the guy who helped win us ONE total title
Just like him being the 'MVP' of that shitty in season tournament and bringing out the champagne like they won the Finals lmfao. It was pathetic to see how hyped he was to win that
Why would you take LeBron as your franchise cornerstone above everyone else in league history when he's only going to end up leaving your team after 7 seasons because you aren't winning? Loyalty matters when you're building a team.
I feel like the “it’s too talented” argument is pretty moot tbh. The 2010’s are one of the least talent rich eras of the nba. From 2010 to 2015 guys like Blake griffin, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard were considered top 10 level players. Those guys aren’t even top 50 all time guys, not to mention that most of the top 10 guys weren’t even in the eastern conference
Y'all know this was the "orchestrated plan" from the moment old, grandpa, Methuselah LeBron James announced he was playing in this Olympics. LeBron James saw a way to "out Olympic medal" Micheal Jordan, AND LeBron James saw a way to get a "made up Olympic MVP award"something Micheal Jordan doesn't have at all. He knew Nike would set it all for FOR him. And Nike did. I love my country, but TRUTH IS, USA should have been out of it when they played South Sudan.
@@saberix69He not Bron daddy LeBron don’t stood over Curry and shut him down and also sent him him after shooting a 3pt Dagger right in his face in clutch time!
@@saberix69 😂 So Magic is Larry Bird daddy because he beat him 3 to 1 in championship games. Also Bird is Jordan daddy since he swept his teams back to back in the Playoffs.
LeBron Fans: STOP!!! Michael Jordan DECLINED To Play In The 3rd Olympics In The Late 90’s Where He Gave His Spot To Mitch Richmond. This Is Getting Stupid. Jordan 6-0, LBJ 4-6, Jordan Won The All Star Game Slam Dunk Contest Where LeBron NEVER Did It. Jordan Won All 6 With 1 Team. The Era Jordan Played in Was Extremely Physical.
These fans just have no respect for the game. True appreciation would show when you acknowledge the greatness of the history of the game, it's evolution, players, game styles, etc. Putting down other eras just to put one on a pedestal is as distasteful and disrespectful as the Bulls fans booing the late Jerry Krause who was represented by his wife.
It's not even the same sport anymore, so comparisons are almost meaningless at this point. Same for NFL, hard to compare Brady to QBs that were allowed to get pummeled almost every snap
Jordan is 6 for 6 in the NBA Finals. He is 6 for 6 in Finals MVPs. And he is 2 for 2 for gold in Olympic competition. Whatever final boss stage this man got to he won. I'm picking Jordan 10 out of 10 times for a final boss fight. Mike is the cheat code.
It's not just the rings that sets Jordan apart from the rest. It was his tenacity, fierceness, leadership and abilities to run the floor in clutch situations. Not to mention his personal goals to set a standard and live up to that standard, never compromising on his dream and ambitions.
This guy looks like Henry Cavil meets Dane Cook, who is this guy anyway, never heard of him. And if MJ and LeTurnover were on the same team, who would be the alpha? We know the answer to that
The queen wouldn't be able to play with Jordan. He can't handle that alpha energy. That's why he left Miami cuz Riley wasn't gonna let unklutch and the queen walk over him. Jordan in one practice would be able to break the queen...
RINGS don't matter. MVPs don't matter. Defensive MVP and All-Defensive First Team don't matter. PPG doesn't matter. Statistical leadership doesn't matter. BOX PLUS MINUS doesn't matter. PER doesn't matter. WIN SHARE 48 (per game rating) doesn't matter. Leading a team to the title with 34.5 and 35.1 PPG (all-time records) doesn't matter. Leading a team to the title with 32 PER, 14.63 BOX PLUS MINUS, .3325 WIN SHARE48 (all-time records) doesn't matter. Building a dynasty from the ground up doesn't matter. Revolutionizing the role of the superstar in sports marketing and being the biggest seller of related merchandise in all of sports history doesn't matter. Being involved in the biggest audiences in NBA history doesn't matter. What really matters then????
Nothing matters to them. It is nihilistic, just like all Corpo Marketing. We are ruled by the Evil Paperclip making AI, that only wants to see number go up, even if we must destroy the whole world and all of humanity in the process.
The cavs did exactly what this guy said to do, they chose lebron to lead their franchise. He delivered 1 ring. The bulls chose Jordan to lead their franchise, he delivered 6.
I don't even count the one ring for them, because he left before ever winning a ring for them. The guy that drafted him was long gone. He only went to Cleveland because they got 3 number 1 picks in 4 years, getting Kyrie, Wiggins who they traded for Love, and Anthony Bennet (lol).
Insulting the teammates of Jokić and Wemby doesn't make you right about them, either. Those "carpenters" were good enough to get Serbia that 17-point lead against Team USA, weren't they? Those "Pepé Le Pews" helped Wemby reach the gold medal game and get within striking distance of winning the whole thing. Damn near all of their respective teammates have been playing organized basketball for years. 3 of Jokić's teammates are NBA players; 4 of Wemby's teammates are NBA players, one of them being a 4-time DPOY.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you clowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you klowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you klowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you klowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
That guy taking LeBron is a joke… LeBron has been in the league for over 21 seasons and has never built a franchise or a dynasty… MJ has and took it from the bottom to the top….
7:12 and Lebron fans will lie and said lebron didnt want westbrook. That was all Rob's fault 😂😂. The thing that confuses me the most about bron fans, is that they can't ever make up their mind on if bron has surpassed Jordan or not. Same goes for LeMedia. When he hit 40k points. "Hes officially passed Jordan". But then when he wins his 3rd gold medal LeMedia and Bron fans now say "hes officiallythe GOAT and surpassed Jordan". But according to them didnt he already surpass him? Why when he does something great, they change it and say, okay now hes better. If he does something else, okay this times hes now better than Jordan. 😂😂😂😂 funny part is they all know hes not better and still hunt for ways to say he's better. They know in their hearts that man aint better than Jordan. But its a never ending cycle of lies. Lies dont stop, they continue and continue. Thats good that he got his 3rd gold medal, but lets be honest. He wouldn't have his 3rd if Kobe hadn't carried him to two gold medal wins already 😂😂😂. Hes not better than Jordan and Never will be. In fact, my man skap said it best. "Kobe is the gate keeper to Jordan, you dont get to Jordan until you clear Kobe. And he hasn't officially done that".an cheated his entire career to rings. Hes not the GOAT.
I saw a stat that showed Jordan only missed 6 games during that 1991-98 run. That’s insane when you take in how much regular and postseason basketball they played while still never losing 3 straight games during that time and winning at least 60 games in all those title runs except the 93 season. LeBron doesn’t have that kind of availability and durability. Not even close to it.
Rings are the MOST IMPORTANT thing, but not the ONLY thing that matters. If rings were the ONLY thing that mattered when it comes to individual greatness, someone like Robert Horry would be spoken about among the greats, but he isn't because he doesn't have anything else on top of that individually since he was a role player. Also, if that statement were true, the likes of LeBron and KD would not be as criticized as they are for the WAY they won their rings, but they are. So, the FASHION in which rings are won clearly matters as well.
0:45 In this hypothetical scenario, I can honestly imagine LeBron James winning less than 4 NBA World Titles in 21 very long years/seasons, and I can imagine Michael Jordan winning more than 6 NBA World Titles in 15 very short years/seasons.
Lebron fans: the ‘24 was the greatest team USA basketball team ever. Also Lebron fans: this gold medal makes Lebron the goat. So taking the greatest team USA ever and barely winning a gold against much inferior teams somehow makes him the goat? That’s weak.
Pat Riley was so on point with what he said in that interview clip. That's a HOF coach who knows better then all these delusional LeBalco cult followers
I'd take MJ. Played six less season and still is better
Like I say u compare 15 seasons to 15 seasons and u see how far ahead mike is
Coulda woulda shoulda
@@nickgleeson7168 I did this. The reason lebron playing a long is because he is FARRRRRRR behind Jordan within 15 years.
Not to mention he was hurt two of those years
Well almost 2 years
🤣🤣 I would take 8 different players before I'd chose Lebum.
The biggest flaw of this manufactured debate is the fact, you can’t put LeBron in your top 10 knowing the following:
• Left and joined Bosh and Wade in his prime.
• With a super team lost to Dallas and being the reason they lost
• Swept by the Spurs & GS (lost 4-1 in 2014 against the Spurs)
• Left Miami when it got tough and went back to Cavs to play with younger Kyrie and Love
• Left again and help force AD out to LA
With all that, moving and team stacking, still only ended up with 3 rings and 1 bubble ring.
I use these points because he hasn’t caught Jordan in accolades, metrics, stats, nor impact on the game. The only thing he’s saying are opinions, who HE’D chose. Lebron with all the extra years and stacked squads still hasn’t surpassed Jordan in rings, MVPs, Final MVP, DPOY, etc. Lebron fans want to give him credit for participation and ignore the failures in the biggest moment. Playing 20+ years is awesome, but not the standard to define the GOAT.
@Nat_Turner10_8 uh, no. Kd and the warriors boat raced LeBron two straight years, which is why he went to LA
Dont forget lebron taking steroids in maimi . Being part of the only pro team to win bronze . The lewalk out special in the 4th( zero sportsmanship) and drive to takw over. Zeke (isiah thomas ) got flak for not shaking. Hands while lebron cant take the L with his team and throws them under the bus whem he lewalksouts. Never made an original number his icon number. Usinf 23 cause he has to remember the peak or repeats he'll never have or known. Plus hes extremly selfish on the court. 40k points happened at a loss. Lol didnt deserve mvp for bubble or olympics. Ad and curry shouldve gotten those mvps. Like theres to little of anything claim hes tbe goat lol. The only thing special about him. Is his longevity. But not really cause kareem also played for a long time. Kareem. Kobe zeke and duncan are the only ones with a argument. To claim beimg better then mj. Amd the only few better are wilt and bill. Wilt has all the records and bill all the ringz
@@Nat_Turner10_8uhmmm...he didn't beat the Warriors with KD.
....and he let another star player create a dynasty during "his era".🤭
Playing 20yrs isn’t awesome esp when in those 20yrs most of it is spent losing,a short winning career is awesome and better than spending all ur time losing smh
If winning his 3rd gold puts Lebron over MJ, then KD winning his 4th gold cements him over Lebron.
No one has ever debated Lebron > KD, since it is not nor ever will be a debate
@@Reaper13-hi3yo well, not in USA TEAM. TRY again kd>bron not even close
There's plenty of people that would take KD over LeBron. KD is more skilled and doesn't dampen other player's skill sets just to stat pad
@@Christo_Trismegistus His fans will give you the excuse that he's been the most consistent, but it's misleading because the offense has been catered to him for most of the Olympics. You see how KD is just now starting. Nobody is supposed to outshine LeBron. It's always been that way. they know kd would go beast mode from the begin
Umm kd and bron was never a comparison I under you don’t like lebron but be foreal
10 times out of 10 times I’m going with the weapon that gives me 10 scoring titles and two three-peats and makes my Franchise relevant. Lebum made super team building , team hopping and coming up short acceptable and some how he’ll go with that guy 🤡
Right they keep talking about 20 years plus and leflop still doesn't have 5 rings 6 is out of the question😂😂😂
And load management
10 scoring titles and 9 NBA all defense + 1 DPOY. Thats insane. Lebron gets due credit for being the all time scorer while also being top 5 in assists. But that is a reflection more of his longevity while MJ was simply at the very very top. People bring up Pippen...its a FACT that MJ helped mold Pip into a great player. Guarding each other in scrimmages, 1 on 1 after practice, and inviting Pip to train at his house in the summer, all these things led to Pip becoming great. Then theres Phil Jackson..the guy who was coaching in Puerto Rico before he joined the already rising Chicago Bulls. Phil won championships only while conveniently having 3 players that are in the all time top 10 (MJ, Kobe, Shaq).
@@brucewayne7831I got news for you score on titles are overrated you Michael Jordan fans are just idiots
It’s a couple players I would take over lebron. Curry being one of the players I would draft over lebron
MJ never lost an international game. LeBron has lost a few.
LeBron winning Bronze in 04 and 06 is why they needed Kobe to save him in the Redeem team - also why he needed Steph Curry and Kevin Durant to save him this time.
@@LouSeph that bronze diminishes the other golds
True but that’s not even the point, just by watching them play it pretty easy to see who’s the best, plus MJ won with whoever they put together with him instead of running around and making coaches fired ‘cause they didn’t do what he wanted, LeBron attitude is of a coward incapable to win if not with a stacked deck!!!!
@@alexlanza79 even with the stacked deck there is still a hall a fame career of accomplishments separating them…. Mj all day not even close
Dream Team beat teams with 3 NBA players by 60 points.
This year’s dorks beat Sudan with 1 NBA player by 1, with luck 😂
lol - for starters, if you picked LeBron, he wouldn’t be on your team for his entire career
Exactly!!! lmaoooo
And not only that, he always needs multiple star players. None of his championship teams were organic
You would get At least 1Championship and a ton of money and endorsements. 100% fact! Some teams don’t get that at all.
@@Zal8888Yea but with Jordan the Bulls got 6 plus everything else u named
Not just that, when has Lebron won anything where he didn't have a stacked team? You could mention the Lakers, but even then that's 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA playing together.
LeBron never lost a game or committed a single turnover in his entire career…it was all a trick done by CGI 😂
Was it CGI when LeBron had 5 turnovers against Sudan?🤷♂️
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😢And I don't hate Lebron with every fiber of my being. Even though I wish his digestive tract would reverse itself, if it hasn't already... Maybe that's why he keeps shoving all these worthless accolades up his own ass and spewing out of his mouth nothing but shitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshit shitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshitshit...and then some more😮 good grief.
@@tonyjones7675Was it CGi when he scored the winning basket? Was it CGi when Jordan got swept by the Celtics?
@@Zal8888 it sure wasn't CGI when Lebron got swept by the Spurs and then spanked in 14
Im taking so many other players over lebron if i was starting a team. That guy is an idiot. 😂😂
Magic, MJ, Bird, Duncan, Russell, to cover each position...among others. My personal first pick for such a draft is Bird, because he can and will do anything and will lift all his teammates to new heights. Also, I really don't want to play against him, if I'm drafting against someone else.
That guy is the archetype of the delusional soft weak minded Lebron fanboy, it’s pitiful.
He was rambling all year that the Lakers were going to win the Championship, they failed miserably and somehow that doesn’t hurts LeQueen but scoring garbage points against Bruno Caboclo, makes him the greatest of all time. lol
And u would lose ya job as a Gm because of personal hate
Take Bird, 29 wins to 61 wins in one season
@@c99kfmI wouldn’t take Russell he’s overrated😟😉
Why hypothesizing drafting LeBron to build a team? Didn't the Cavs draft him and he delivered a one finals sweep before escaping to join all-stars?
Exactly like he literally got drafted and brought them one championship, MJ brought Bulls 6🤔🤔
I was thinking this the whole time. Curry was drafted and won 🏆 🏆 🏆🏆. Tim Duncan was drafted and won 🏆 🏆🏆🏆🏆. Even Wade won 🏆🏆🏆 with the team that drafted him.
If you just want someone to get you 1 🏆 you can draft Dirk, Giannis, Kawhi, Jokić, Tatum, Brown, or a ton of other guys.
And for straight outta HS, Kobe won 5 with the team that drafted him. And yet Kobe gets loads of negative comments.
@@dec9164 Kobe didnt win with the Charlotte Hornets :P
Reminder: The gap between Michael Jordan and Lebron (2x Champion, 2x FMVP, 1x MVP) is a whole hall of fame career.
Facts
But mfs swear that lebron has had 3 hof careers when combined it still doesn't add up to what Jordan did in waaaaay less time
And 9x scoring titles and a dpoy, shit MJ’s career is better than Lebron and Kevin Durant’s combined
@@sirfrescobar4830facts!
Faulty argument. A shorter career will be favored in average stats. Career total stats will be favored for the longer career. They cannot be compared.
hahah they said the same shit on arenas show. "I get lebron for 20 years!" NO YOU DO NOT. You get him until he leaves to the next team up elsewhere and then he comes back and leaves again.
Lebum will never catch up to MJ pinky toe
Le Caca is exactly that
Caca
They tried hard to give it to him in Cavs when Draymond was out, Steph was not at 100%, refs were boosting their plays and in the Lakers a Mickey Mouse ring. 😅
Rings don't matter until Lebron had 1 more gold medal and then suddenly mattered 😅😅😅
😂
Jonathan Bender on Michael Jordan's years in Washington: 'He couldn't do the things that LeBron is doing right now'.
Lebron will never be able to touch MJ
Agreed. Just like Jordan will never be able to touch Bird.
@@FavreianVengeanceoh like when Bird called MJ the best basketball player he ever saw even better than HIMSELF 😂
@@beastmodeforever8674 That never happened. What did happen is Bird swept Jordan out of hte playoffs twice in a row. GOAT doing GOAT things is all.
@@FavreianVengeance yes that did happen you obviously don't know basketball if you can't comprehend what he said
I know exactly what you're referrring to. You think I haven't heard this Jordan fanboy defense a thousand times over? Bird never called Jordan better than himself just because he paid him a compliment. Now accept that Bird owned Jordan instead of throwing out bs like I don't know basketball. YOU DON'T KNOW BASKETBALL IF YOU THINK THE MANTLE OF GOAT BELONGS TO A GUY THAT BIRD BEAT MF 14X IN A ROW.
MJ literally made the Bulls one of the most iconic franchises in the NBA. LeBron's career has only been about himself, no loyalty to a franchise or its fans.
The bulls would be the biggest joke franchise in all of sports without drafting mike. The nba might even have disbanded the franchise by now frankly
@@MrJonnyl123hey man a huge bulls fan here (from southside Chicago)nga stop disrespecting my team!!!!
@@ezetram774 this right here . 🫶🏾 .. I owe a team no loyalty its a job . I’m there to win chips and pack the stands .Kobe wanted a trade to Chicago … would they have called him a ring chaser if the trade went through ? 🤦🏾 .
@@Kingchasethebag-yeah what have the bulls ever done before or since jordan tho? You had Derrick rose for a couple years but that’s about it. I honestly reckon without drafting jordan that team may not be around now
Well put point
Gen Z is the most propagandized generation yet
Dats literally y’all gen. Y’all poison our minds 24/7 sayin everything y’all did was better den ours😭. Y’all in competition with us so hard jus bc we young and think on our own
I mean the Olympics only showed us that LeBron needs at least 4 to 5 all-nba players just to win the Olympics against teams that barely got any NBA players.
For real, I don't even know how Lebron fans and America fans in general take pride in an All Star team barely beating teams with 2-3 NBA players.
@@shorewallLeBron 39 Curry and KD 36! Yal funny take pride because they represent us and they won! 🥇
@@Zal8888yea take pride in someone who won't stand for our anthem 😂 how patriotic
If you pick lebron when you start your franchise, you would regret after he going on another team to make another big3. 😂
Why even ask the question if he's going to answer it for me? 10x out of 10 I'm picking Jordan.
Jordan lost to Bird 14 times in a row.
@@FavreianVengeance and Jordan was still the best player on the floor.
@@birdman423 Was Jordan the best player on the floor when Bird came back from double digits in the fourth quarter in Chicago to complete his second sweep in a row?
@@FavreianVengeance of course he was, apparently he came into the league being known as the best basketball player Bob Knight has ever seen, and from what I’ve seen he was not wrong.
Remember It's just basketball
@BayWolf-pp1ev ...... LeBron paying you or are you riding for free?
@BayWolf-pp1ev It’s only basketball- LBJ🤡
@BayWolf-pp1ev For free 🤣 you guys are funny man
@BayWolf-pp1evi remember u, except Kobe averaged like 40 in for a month in the middle of the dead ball era, just saying… not to offend or start an argument, but i mean… stats aren’t everything and lebrons especially, they’re just a tiny bit inflated…
@@jamesho8258bro he’s a bot, these are copy and paste responses. I saw him doing this on another video
Most of LeBron's Tik Tok, social media fans never watched Michael Jordan play a single game live on TV.
They only know him from film, memes, shoes and commercials.
They're just preaching to ignorant kids and trying to build up an audience. Just like "we're done with the 90's"
Did you ever see Wilt play live on television?
well Jordan had a ton of scoring titles, better defender, better handles, more moves, better PG, woulda been better even at Lebrons SF position. & 3-peated twice
& didn’t run all over ring chasing.
Teaming up with clutch players made me the greatest of all time 😂. The turnover king.
Finals MVP’s prove that you were the best player amongst a court full of top players in the league. MJ has 6 of those. No other player has more.
it didn't prove it in 2020 Anthony Davis was the best player and didn't get it
@@fullmetal1766 James avg more points rebounds and assist. So how was AD FMVP?
@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724no he didn't, AD won us that ring, and him and Dwight were stomping the big men
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD
LBJ 29/11/8 on 59%
AD 25/10/3 on 57%
AD could have won the MVP based on his defense. But I don’t know why voter’s didn’t take into account his 2 blocks and 1 steal per game
@@2playschemeo.p.croutes724 because lamedia is full of lies to make a certain seem better then he is
LeBron has never led his team it's always been someone winning the game making the winning shot
Making the winning shot does not always mean that you led the team.
By your logic John Paxson & Steve Kerr led the Bulls to two titles- see how ridiculous it sounds?
@Reaper13-hi3yo the Kerr shot happened because of a double team on jordan
@@Reaper13-hi3yoPaxson and Kerr’s shots weren’t series clinching/extending shots.
@@Reaper13-hi3yothose werent elimination saving shots either fool!!Yall have ruined the game and competition with ya dumb no standard having casuals
"Rings don't matter..."
But one more Gold medal does 🤔
1) Then why'd LeBron leave Cleveland for Miami, Jump back to Cleveland when Wade and bish started showing wear & tear despite the 8 ring promise and why did LeBron get half of the 2019 Lakers traded away for AD if rings didn't mean anything?
2) This is a part of LeBrons legacy. The argument for the devaluing of a championship.
this is a good take
@@Turkingtang he left because Kobe got his 5th, Melo and Wade said it
🎯🎯🎯
@@onizoddYea they all were planning on signing 3 year deals so that they could then play together. Melo took the 4 year deal. After Kobe won his 5th, that was when Wade was like "Yo, we need to team up NOW because we have to catch Kobe!"
The irony? They still haven't 😂😂
One can't help but notices that LeBron pushes off defenders with his arm or hand every time he drives to the basket. He's handchecking defenders.
100%. Rodman was correct when he said, Lebron has no move. Drive straight to the basket and bulldoze his defender. That's it. Only Lebron delusional fans would say otherwise. His footwork is still flawed after 20 years as well as his dribbling.
I can't wait for the day that Lebron is no longer defended by the media. His uncalled offensive fouls, his travelling, his turnovers...but most of all, I want the steroid scandal to break. I want his legacy crumbled. Lebron James is the Barry Bonds or A-Rod of Basketball, a great player who was insecure and took the easy path, every time.
He stiff-arm them to the end zone man 😂
Check out angry old hoops he has great content exposing all that lebron bullshit
"Rings don't matter unless LeBron wins one."
the mickey mouse title
No, it's a simple argument based om rational transitivity. Russell has more rings than MJ, but since MJ is more versatile, MJ is better than Russell. However, the same argument does not apply when comparing MJ and LeBron. MJ has more rings than LeBron, but LeBron is more versatile than MJ, LeBron is better than MJ.
@@MrClebophdHow is Lebron more versatile? He has no bag no handles cant shoot except layups was never a better defender than Jordan and hasn't even played defense in a decade. And if you say hes a better passer he only avgs 1 more assist a game and if you say he can guard all 5 positions name 1 actual center he guarded? So please explain how is he more versatile and better than Jordan
@@MrClebophd LeBron is the definition of big for nothing. The man could be a great two-way player, but he doesn’t play that way. The only great defensive place I’ve seen them do are chase down blocks, but other than that, he is not a lockdown defender or even half that. Also, you can’t even say that he’s a shooter either as he’s very inconsistent with the 3 ball and didn’t even take the time to learn it until Curry popularized it.
@@leonardjackson6210 The hate is strong with this one. LeBron is more versatile because he is bigger and stronger. This means that he can do more. He can defend bigger opponents, rebound better, and pass over taller opponents. He is also a better shooter from long range. You are correct that LeBron is not a center, but he can play the power forward position. This MJ could never do because he was too small and too weak. LeBron can use his size and strength to dominate - that's why he has a great FG% slightly better than MJ's. Let's assume that you are the coach. The opponents have a post player like Alonzo Morning or Karl Malone. Can you put MJ to defend them. No, that would be a very bad match-up. LeBron would do better. In basketball, size matters and it evident in versatility.
Rings dont matter fake Olympic mvps do 😂😂😂
A few things:
1) All you are saying, if you believe that this era is "super hyper skilled", is that if MJ played today, he would be surrounded by even better players. MJ would be even better than he was and probably have more chips, not fewer.
2) Jordan didn't have a chance to be clutch in the Olympics.... because they actually did what they were supposed to do and blow out teams.... Jordan also took a backseat in the Olympics in 92, to let the other guys shine - this was obvious to anyone who watched.
3) If you want to have some fun, look at Lebron in the last 5 minutes of the Finals, to tie or win the game. It's like 20%. Please do a video on this.
Lebron-is-the-goat-fans are terrible people - I mean that. And dumb.
L3-6ron isn't clutch in general
Using Ad Hominem arguments is ignorant and dumb. It is surprisingly efficient though, because there are a lot of dumb people out there.
@@lbarge85 He avoids game-winning shots more than white fans.
No because lebron leaves your team to join a super team. Inconsistent on defense, clutch, and shooting. Whiner, flopper, questionable teammate, consistent failure, and intolerably arrogant.
The only time LeBron Stans ever won the goat debate is when they are debating a video camera.
@@thomashinchliff2173 We usually win when we bring up Bron leading a Finals in all 5 stats vs a 70 win team and 0 top 75 players on his team.
What did Jordan do? Avg 40ppg against Dan Majerle?
@@andrewcook1246 Jordan dropped the highest score ever in the playoffs against the legendary 1986 Celtics team with 5 Hall of famers on it. Jordan has the highest scoring average in the playoffs in history. Jordan is 6-0 in the finals and never even got to a game 7. Jordan won MVP, Finals MVP, DPOY, a ring, and scoring champ in the same year. Any other dumb questions?
@@andrewcook1246 what is Bron's record in the finals again? Can you remind me?
@@andrewcook1246 you ever see MJ fall apart in the finals like Bron in 2011? Nope.
@@andrewcook1246 btw, Jordan averaged damn near 40 against EVERYONE who tried to step to him. Bron didn't even make the final shot in that series you referenced hahaha you clown
Rings don't matter. Scoring titles don't matter. DPOY awards don't matter. Playing all 82 games doesn't matter. Making up phantom injuries in order to sit out competing against tough opponents doesn't matter. Clutch play doesn't matter. Not having any "go to" moves to score without traveling, carrying, and offensive fouling doesn't matter. Flopping and whining don't matter. Not running back on defense forcing your teammates to play 4 on 5 while you lazily hang back for stat-padding scoring opportunities doesn't matter. Wrecking franchises doesn't matter. Forcing a franchise to draft your scrub son and give him a gauranteed contract doesn't matter. Taking credit for wins that your teammates literally bailed you out from losing doesn't matter. Never cracking even 80% from the free throw line in any of your 21 seasons in the NBA doesn't matter. Having BY FAR the most turnovers in NBA history doesn't matter. Forcing your wife and paying members of the media to call you the GOAT doesn't matter.
So yes, LeBron might be the GOAT in a world where NOTHING actually matters. But in the real world, he's not even top 20!
Got wm
This comment should literally be pinned under every Jordan vs Lebron video. Masterfully done. Cheers.
USA almost never loses the Olympics. MJ won gold as a college player playing against grown men. Lebron was on the first team to lose with pro players.
I can think of 20-30 players I would take over LeBalco. In fact, possibly he would be my last pick for multiple reasons.
You'd be getting the LeGM as an "extra" with that pick, for one. For another, he's gone after the first season.
@@c99kfm yep that’s one reason. He’s a franchise cancer.
I don't understand media or fans when it comes to LeBron. Yes he is one of the greatest, but he cannot carry a team, he does not make players better. He needs at least two stars to be relevant. Otherwise, he's around .500. Lakers are perfect example. With only he and Davis and the refs the Lakers have been barely significant since the bubble.
If winning his 3rd gold puts Lebron over MJ, then KD winning his 4th gold cements him over Lebron.
Thank you! LeBron has had a minimum of at least 2 other all star players in their prime whenever he has won a championship. LeBron is a great player but he's not winning anything with just one all star player.
@@Christo_TrismegistusHe won with AD 😂
@@Zal8888Congrats. In a short season with alot of players opting not 2 play in the bubble Lebron won a championship with one allstar player. Mike did that 4 times playin all 82
The Olympics are the perfect evidence that LeBron doesn't make players better. If you gave any one of the stars on the Olympic team their NBA starting lineup, they'd likely win Bronze. With all the stars they had, they should have won each of these games in a blowout. But they ran things through LeBron, the turnover king who purposely plays for assists. It reduced all their stars to role players trying to win LeBron's way. If they played the Warriors' style of play with Steph or KD leading the way, they blow these teams out. But LeBron wouldn't be able to be in the lineup unless he was going to play Draymond Green's role on the floor. LeBron would've been the one sitting like Tatum was.
But you can't get LeBron to take a backseat so the team can play to its full potential. He's there to get credit for winning. The credit is more important than the winning. He'd rather lose than have to win without getting the credit because we all know, if they lose, the media blames everyone but LeBron.
If Curry didn't save them, they would blame Kerr for not playing Tatum enough, or they'd blame Hill and Nike for not putting Brown on the team.
I love how that guy uses probably the WORST argument for picking LeBron. Not only is it the easiest argument for me NOT to pick LeBron but LeBron wouldn't even make my top 10. If I'm building a culture of success for my franchise I'm looking Jordan, Kobe, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Russell, Kareem, Shaq, Curry, etc. etc. before I would ever pick LeBron. The guy is a literal cancer to any organization. If I picked LeBron the only thing I could expect would be to get fired, after trading away future talent, trading away future 1st rd draft picks, firing multiple coaches, and not achieving anything.
Never ever would I take labrick la china la pro criminal over 1st Jordan 2 Kobe 3rd bird 4 th magic 5 Shaq 6 Kareem 7 th Duncan 8th Hakeem. Then I’d have to start thinking 🤔 who else LACHOKE ISNT IN MY TOP 10 how does this Olympics count when he was basically trashed throughout it. But the bronze medals, the losses that have never happened to a USA team before laclown came in stop it with the bs
To me, Lebron is becoming the NBA anti-christ. He is hurting the game and the legacy of the NBA, all for his own ego.
Lebron had two points and four turn overs in the 4th quarter of the Olympic final. Imagine how Russ would have been characterized if he performed like that for team USA. Would they have given him the MVP for having some nice averages in the meaningless group games?? Doubtful...
Like they treated the Role Players on the Lakers when they don't save Lebron's ass. Isn't he the GOAT? Isn't he the best player on the team? Shouldn't he put the team on HIS back? But every teammate is a scapegoat.
Jordan has 39 accolades
Lebron has 19 accolades
Their is no debate here mj is better!!
1 nitpick. Jordan had 6 ECF in his first 11 years
The usa didn't even play in the toughest group
That’s SO true. They were in the weakest one, which is ridiculous.
Having one more gold with two more attempts does not make him "better". Jordan doesn't have any bronze medals.
its gen z math
Jordan is 11-0 in championship play
@@lynchone117 1-0 in NCAA, 2-0 olympics, 6-0 in finals. Are you counting tournament of the americas and pan am games for the others to make 11-0?
Olympic MVP wasn’t even around Jordan’s era. It shouldn’t be in the equation
Yeh and the FMVP didn’t exist when Bill Russell won 11 chips
@@Zal8888 You can also say that the season wasn’t as long and less teams, but Russell is probably top 10 or 5
The only storm LeBron brought to Phoenix was in the back side of his pants.
That Klutch Sports propaganda is everywhere
Its weird to assume lebron is going to stay with your franchise for his whole career. The moment it starts going bad, hes out! 😅
Jordan left the Bulls!
@@Zal8888 🤦🏾♂️
I would take Jokic,Curry, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Bird over Lebum 1000 / 1000.
I like your list.
Lefans need to take leBalls out of their Lemouths and come up for air
I think it's a breath play thing, for them. The hypoxia makes them lightheaded and causes them to ramble about things with no connection to reality. They're just into it.
@@c99kfmu might be onto something
Yal up LeBron behind more than his fans that’s why you wake up everyday looking for something to comment on about a guy you claim you don’t like at all
@@c99kfmMakes you lightheaded he doesn’t even know you exist and can live happy while you stress his greatness he doesn’t know you exit is so funny😂
@@Zal8888 makes it funny how u worship a grown ahh man who btw also doesn’t know that YOU exist. Lebron ain’t gonna give u any money lil bro💀
That gold medal is Curry. Lebron was getting bailed out and nearly lost to Jokic. And Jokic led in points, rebounds, assists in the Olympics.
"You take Lebron, 10 out of 10..."
What a clown. 😂
Those bots are crazy
Michael Jordan played five seasons without Scottie Pippen
84-85 38-44..First round exit
85-86. 30-52..First round exit
86-87. 40-42...First round exit
01-02. 37-45..out of playoffs
02-03. 37-45..out of playoffs
Lebron james has won more playoff Series' than any player in NBA HISTORY
Lebron james has been to 10 nba finals. Only Bill Russell and Sam Jones (in a mostly nine team league) have made more nba finals appearances
LeBron james carried an absolutely horrific 2007 Cleveland Cavaliers team to the nba finals
In the modern NBA era (post 1960) only nine NBA top 75 players have won a championship without another top 75 player as a teammate
Rick Barry (1975)
Bill Walton (1977)
Hakeem Olajuwon (1994)
Tim Duncan (2005) (2007)
Kobe Bryant (2009) (2010)
Steph Curry (2015) (2022)
LeBron james (2016)
Kawhi Leonard (2019)
Giannis Antetokounmpo (2021)
As you can see, LeBron James is on the list and Michael Jordan isnt
Lebron james has won 17 playoff series, without an nba top 75 teammate. Michael Jordan won ZERO
In the year before Michael Jordan and LeBron James joined their team and the year after they left their team, their records were
83-84 bulls 27-55
84-85 bulls. 38-44
92-93 bulls 57-25
93-94 bulls 55-27
98-99 bulls 13-37 without Scottie Pippen
00-01 wizards 19-63
01-02 wizards. 37-45
02-03 wizards 37-45
03-04 wizards 25-57
02-03 cavaliers 17-65
03-04 cavaliers 35-47
09-10 cavaliers 61-21
10-11 cavaliers 19-63
09-10 heat. 47-35
10-11 heat 58-24
14-15 heat 37-45
2013-14 cavaliers 33-49
2014-15 cavaliers 53-29
2017- 18 cavaliers 50-32
2018-19 cavaliers 19-63
2017-18 lakers. 35-47
2018-19 lakers were 20-14 when LeBron James got injured on Christmas day.
As you can see When LeBron James joins a team, the team improves more than Michael Jordan and when LeBron James leaves a team, the team always goes into the tank.
Michael Jordan, excluding the 94-97 seasons, when the NBA moved the three point line to 22 feet, was a career 28% three point shooter. LeBron James is a career 34% three point shooter
Michael Jordan was a great defensive player, in an Era where you could handcheck. Playing defense is much easier when you can handcheck. For nearly 6'9 250 LeBron James' entire career he wasn't afforded the opportunity to handcheck.
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR..LEBRON JAMES IS THE GOAT!!!!!
I have added a Postscript
So many have replied, that LeBron james didn't make the playoffs his first two years and Jordan did. What they fail to say is, in 1985, 16 of 23 teams made the playoffs. In 2004, 16 of 29 teams made the playoffs. It was MUCH EASIER to make the playoffs in 1985, as opposed to 2004. Perfect example is, the 1985 86 bulls went 30-52 and made the playoffs and the 2004 05 cavaliers went 42-40 and did not make the playoffs. Also, I don't know, possibly, maybe, Jordan had a HUGE ADVANTAGE considering he played three years of college basketball and LeBron James was 19 years old, and straight out of high school
Disagree! Michael Jordan the Goat of basketball.
Yep, they’re in here copy pasting now lol
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This hypothetical all-time draft is quite possibly the worst pro lbj argument possible. He jumps ship at the earliest possible moment. Has a playstyle that needs to be complimented and turns everyone else into role players. He has a high maintenance personality and will call for everyone else’s head when the team fails. He is extremely toxic in game (flopping, complaining, giving up after misses and turnovers, often his own, forgets to move on both ends if he doesn’t have an opportunity to accrue stats, poor shot selection, argues with teammates).
Maybe I am crazy, but I don’t see how lbj would even be a first round pick in a situation like this.
why would you a draft a player that can't develop with other players and couldn't win until he colluded with 2 other first ballot hall of famers from his own confrence and draft class still loose and the same guy you claim you would draft number 1 needs 118 trades hmm that doesn't even sound like a top 10 or 15 draft pick to me oh and he needed to literally form a sports agency again to make sure he hand picks teammates
There's a legitimate argument that you can make to take Tim Duncan over Lebron in this "hypothetical draft"
Duncan won't dump the team
A strong one. Larry Bird also has a case, and if I had him and LeBron in my team, LeBron would get minutes while I would start and finish Bird.
Bird took a 29 win team to 61 next season, best turnaround
@Wil-kn8wo that celtics team added other players besides Larry bird
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The thing is, the year before Bird joined the Celtics, the only two players with a positive Box +/- were Maxwell and Cowens, with 3.1 and 0.3 respectively. Once Bird joined, only four players (including two of the four newbies) got a negative Box +/-.
Bird may not have won those 61 games on his own, but his play elevated his teammates in a way no other player has managed to, before or since.
When Lebron loses, “It’s just basketball (meanwhile he walks to the locker room and leaves his teammate’s hanging)
When Lebron wins, “I’m the best player in the world🤡.”
Lebron fans, “His longevity makes him the best, rings don’t matter, he’s the goat🤡.”
😂😂😂😂😂
As a Cavs fan I can definitively say, 10 out of 10 times I’d draft the guy who won his NBA title-less city/team TWO 3peats over the guy who helped win us ONE total title
And he formed a superteam and still they had to rig it just for him to get that 1 ring
If I was starting a franchise Lefraud would be the last player I would want. He's not a franchise player he hops from team to team
Yeah, he is a team cancer.
I’d pick Larry, Magic, joker, Kobe, and Bill Russell before I took Lebron 2nd (you know who is going #1).
Lebron didn’t even want them… didn’t he leave?
That scrub obviously doesn't watch the games...
Longevity without winning is just a participation trophy. LeBron is the king of cheating the game and getting participation trophies.
Just like him being the 'MVP' of that shitty in season tournament and bringing out the champagne like they won the Finals lmfao. It was pathetic to see how hyped he was to win that
@@saberix69 It's performative. Treat it like it's important and hope that it fools the gullible.
10 times out of 10 I'm taking the guy who won 6 chips for 1 team with minimal help.
Why would you take LeBron as your franchise cornerstone above everyone else in league history when he's only going to end up leaving your team after 7 seasons because you aren't winning? Loyalty matters when you're building a team.
I feel like the “it’s too talented” argument is pretty moot tbh. The 2010’s are one of the least talent rich eras of the nba. From 2010 to 2015 guys like Blake griffin, Chris Bosh, and Dwight Howard were considered top 10 level players. Those guys aren’t even top 50 all time guys, not to mention that most of the top 10 guys weren’t even in the eastern conference
The official NBA top 50 list was released in 1996…LeBron isn’t even on that list bruh…
There was way more talent back in the day… almost every team had a jersey with a player that you would want….
Y'all know this was the "orchestrated plan" from the moment old, grandpa, Methuselah LeBron James announced he was playing in this Olympics.
LeBron James saw a way to "out Olympic medal" Micheal Jordan,
AND LeBron James saw a way to get a "made up Olympic MVP award"something Micheal Jordan doesn't have at all.
He knew Nike would set it all for FOR him. And Nike did. I love my country, but TRUTH IS, USA should have been out of it when they played South Sudan.
lebum needs to clear stephen curry before he can talk about jordan. he knows he doesn't clear curry that's why he spends so much time befriending him.
I been saying for awhile that Steph Curry is LeBron's daddy
He clears Curry individually. Curry has the better team success all around.
@@saberix69He not Bron daddy LeBron don’t stood over Curry and shut him down and also sent him him after shooting a 3pt Dagger right in his face in clutch time!
@@Zal8888 Steph has 3 out of 4 of his chips won off LeBron while LeBron has 1 off from Steph. Bro it's not even an argument Steph is LeBron's dad 100%
@@saberix69 😂 So Magic is Larry Bird daddy because he beat him 3 to 1 in championship games. Also Bird is Jordan daddy since he swept his teams back to back in the Playoffs.
Hypothetical #1 draft picks ahead of Lebron: MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Hakeem, Larry, and Wilt just to start the list.
Look at how LeBron travels his butt off, again, at 3:54 seconds of the video. Yet the refs don't call it on this dude.
The only way LeBron passes MJ is by traveling back in time to redo some of those key moments... No amount if longevity can make up for that
Lebron simply isn't that good tho. Theres been many players better than Lebron
LeBron Fans: STOP!!! Michael Jordan DECLINED To Play In The 3rd Olympics In The Late 90’s Where He Gave His Spot To Mitch Richmond. This Is Getting Stupid. Jordan 6-0, LBJ 4-6, Jordan Won The All Star Game Slam Dunk Contest Where LeBron NEVER Did It. Jordan Won All 6 With 1 Team. The Era Jordan Played in Was Extremely Physical.
These fans just have no respect for the game. True appreciation would show when you acknowledge the greatness of the history of the game, it's evolution, players, game styles, etc. Putting down other eras just to put one on a pedestal is as distasteful and disrespectful as the Bulls fans booing the late Jerry Krause who was represented by his wife.
It's not even the same sport anymore, so comparisons are almost meaningless at this point. Same for NFL, hard to compare Brady to QBs that were allowed to get pummeled almost every snap
Leflopper would be destroyed in 80s and 90s NBA😂
Jordan is 6 for 6 in the NBA Finals. He is 6 for 6 in Finals MVPs. And he is 2 for 2 for gold in Olympic competition. Whatever final boss stage this man got to he won. I'm picking Jordan 10 out of 10 times for a final boss fight. Mike is the cheat code.
It's not just the rings that sets Jordan apart from the rest. It was his tenacity, fierceness, leadership and abilities to run the floor in clutch situations. Not to mention his personal goals to set a standard and live up to that standard, never compromising on his dream and ambitions.
"stacked Olympic field"? Is that why the US ended up in the weakest group?
If you pick LeBron for your franchise… eventually he’ll leave you high and dry 😂
This guy looks like Henry Cavil meets Dane Cook, who is this guy anyway, never heard of him. And if MJ and LeTurnover were on the same team, who would be the alpha? We know the answer to that
The queen wouldn't be able to play with Jordan. He can't handle that alpha energy. That's why he left Miami cuz Riley wasn't gonna let unklutch and the queen walk over him. Jordan in one practice would be able to break the queen...
RINGS don't matter.
MVPs don't matter.
Defensive MVP and All-Defensive First Team don't matter.
PPG doesn't matter.
Statistical leadership doesn't matter.
BOX PLUS MINUS doesn't matter.
PER doesn't matter.
WIN SHARE 48 (per game rating) doesn't matter.
Leading a team to the title with 34.5 and 35.1 PPG (all-time records) doesn't matter.
Leading a team to the title with 32 PER, 14.63 BOX PLUS MINUS, .3325 WIN SHARE48 (all-time records) doesn't matter.
Building a dynasty from the ground up doesn't matter.
Revolutionizing the role of the superstar in sports marketing and being the biggest seller of related merchandise in all of sports history doesn't matter.
Being involved in the biggest audiences in NBA history doesn't matter.
What really matters then????
Nothing matters to them. It is nihilistic, just like all Corpo Marketing. We are ruled by the Evil Paperclip making AI, that only wants to see number go up, even if we must destroy the whole world and all of humanity in the process.
0:36 smart people wouldn't actually take Lebron because the moment he feels like he isn't playing for a contender, he's leaving your team
The cavs did exactly what this guy said to do, they chose lebron to lead their franchise. He delivered 1 ring. The bulls chose Jordan to lead their franchise, he delivered 6.
I don't even count the one ring for them, because he left before ever winning a ring for them. The guy that drafted him was long gone. He only went to Cleveland because they got 3 number 1 picks in 4 years, getting Kyrie, Wiggins who they traded for Love, and Anthony Bennet (lol).
Actually, LeBron only had 2 Finals appearances in Cleveland. He won in 2016 after the Draymond suspension and got swept vs The Spurs.
Amd a red already came out and admitted they rigged that series for Lebron to win so shouldn't even count and Curry should have another ring
Players I'd draft before Lebron James: MJ, Kobe, Shaq, Hakeem, Curry, Magic, Kareem.
Yes Curry, even with his popcorn ankles.
Beating jokic and the carpenters and wembayana and the peppy la pews doesn’t make you the best player
Insulting the teammates of Jokić and Wemby doesn't make you right about them, either. Those "carpenters" were good enough to get Serbia that 17-point lead against Team USA, weren't they? Those "Pepé Le Pews" helped Wemby reach the gold medal game and get within striking distance of winning the whole thing. Damn near all of their respective teammates have been playing organized basketball for years. 3 of Jokić's teammates are NBA players; 4 of Wemby's teammates are NBA players, one of them being a 4-time DPOY.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you clowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you klowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you klowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
@@urbaindelva7869 they were good enough to get a lead because the USA team is overrated and not cracked up to what its supposed to be. Don't be offended, this is the same thing you klowns say about the 80's and 90's players being carpenters, when most of you were not even alive to see those guys play. If you have an issue with the carpenters, go back to mom' s basement and write a hurt feelings report and send it to adam silverslipper.
5:20 No. That would be Wilt Chamberlain. Unpausing again.
That guy taking LeBron is a joke… LeBron has been in the league for over 21 seasons and has never built a franchise or a dynasty…
MJ has and took it from the bottom to the top….
Michael Jordan wishes he had 2000s LeBron Cavs team than the 80s bulls team
“lebron is the clear goat…anyways here’s the next jordan” makes no fucking sense 🤣
Lol!
7:12 and Lebron fans will lie and said lebron didnt want westbrook. That was all Rob's fault 😂😂. The thing that confuses me the most about bron fans, is that they can't ever make up their mind on if bron has surpassed Jordan or not. Same goes for LeMedia. When he hit 40k points. "Hes officially passed Jordan". But then when he wins his 3rd gold medal LeMedia and Bron fans now say "hes officiallythe GOAT and surpassed Jordan". But according to them didnt he already surpass him? Why when he does something great, they change it and say, okay now hes better. If he does something else, okay this times hes now better than Jordan. 😂😂😂😂 funny part is they all know hes not better and still hunt for ways to say he's better. They know in their hearts that man aint better than Jordan. But its a never ending cycle of lies. Lies dont stop, they continue and continue. Thats good that he got his 3rd gold medal, but lets be honest. He wouldn't have his 3rd if Kobe hadn't carried him to two gold medal wins already 😂😂😂. Hes not better than Jordan and Never will be. In fact, my man skap said it best. "Kobe is the gate keeper to Jordan, you dont get to Jordan until you clear Kobe. And he hasn't officially done that".an cheated his entire career to rings. Hes not the GOAT.
I saw a stat that showed Jordan only missed 6 games during that 1991-98 run. That’s insane when you take in how much regular and postseason basketball they played while still never losing 3 straight games during that time and winning at least 60 games in all those title runs except the 93 season. LeBron doesn’t have that kind of availability and durability. Not even close to it.
Anthony Davis on the left #3
LeBron James in the middle #6
Westbrook far right #0
360*
They ended up RIGHT BACK where they started…
With NOTHING
Couldn't help but notice that big ass jordan emblem on Jokic while you were talking about him lol
Rings are the ONLY thing that matters.
Thank you!
Rings are the MOST IMPORTANT thing, but not the ONLY thing that matters. If rings were the ONLY thing that mattered when it comes to individual greatness, someone like Robert Horry would be spoken about among the greats, but he isn't because he doesn't have anything else on top of that individually since he was a role player.
Also, if that statement were true, the likes of LeBron and KD would not be as criticized as they are for the WAY they won their rings, but they are. So, the FASHION in which rings are won clearly matters as well.
0:45 In this hypothetical scenario, I can honestly imagine LeBron James winning less than 4 NBA World Titles in 21 very long years/seasons, and I can imagine Michael Jordan winning more than 6 NBA World Titles in 15 very short years/seasons.
lebron not even close 😅
0:44 Larry Joe Bird. Unpausing now.
Lebron fans: the ‘24 was the greatest team USA basketball team ever.
Also Lebron fans: this gold medal makes Lebron the goat.
So taking the greatest team USA ever and barely winning a gold against much inferior teams somehow makes him the goat? That’s weak.
How rings don’t matter when championships matter??? SMH
Pat Riley was so on point with what he said in that interview clip. That's a HOF coach who knows better then all these delusional LeBalco cult followers
NBA fan: “LeBron’s teammates were coming up big when he came small”
LeBron fans: “mOsT uNsElFiSh PlAyEr EvEr”