K isn't the a** hole! Why would her neighbor take the time to leave a rude note instead of knocking for their groceries back if they knew which apartment? 🤷♀️
They literally can’t take the groceries back after they’re incorrectly delivered… no one is to blame when you keep them. The original person gets refunded and it’s never that deep
Yeah I’ve had the wrong groceries delivered to me (someone else’s order) and none of my stuff, and I got a full refund and got to keep the wrong groceries - I just sent a pic and no further questions were asked. 100% I’m sure that they could have gotten a refund.
This happened to my family on Thanksgiving 2021. It was obviously for a big family (there’s only myself and my parents) and we asked the our neighbors we knew and wanted to donate them but obviously we couldn’t. We called Instacart and everything to try to let whoever ordered them that we had them but I’m sure that’s a privacy issue. It felt terrible wasting so much food.
I am wondering though, was the person who left the note definitely the owner of the groceries, or could it have maybe been the driver? Like they said, the owner of the groceries could have found K's apartment based off a delivery pic, but it just seems a lil far fetched and insane for a person who is getting refunded to care enough to leave a mean note, but not care enough to knock on the door and ask for the groceries or leave their apt number so K can drop them off? I was thinking maybe the driver realized and came back to try and correct it before anyone noticed, but got mad and left the note when they realized they were taken inside already. That may explain too why nobody knocked to get the groceries back because they're just mad their mistake got caught, rather than mad the groceries aren't there, especially since someone knows they got misdelivered so they can't redeliver it now. Explains why the person leaving the note knew the location of K's apartment, that the note didn't have a call back # or the owners apt # and why the owner didn't find the groceries when K put them back outside. Just a thought tho...
I learned this acronym in my high school sex Ed class “consent FRIES” F - freely given R - reversible I - informed E - enthusiastic S - specific I’m so glad my high school brought in representatives from planned parenthood to teach us about this. I will always remember this acronym!
Man, the “as I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized how many times I was violated” (paraphrasing) jot so hard. So much yes. I didn’t hear y’all mention but I remember having this feeling that if a man did something nice for me, took me to dinner, etc, I almost owed them, and felt I couldn’t say No for that reason. I hate that so much, as I try to navigate how to teach my daughters and son differently!
Karelly definitely is NOT the asshole. As someone who frequently orders my grocery for delivery, I know they'll refund your neighbors or will re deliver the groceries. Don't feel bad, you did everything in your power. The person who left you the anonymous note is the asshole.
I agree. I also like that he used the term "sex pest behavior" because we all know AT LEAST one guy like that. With that being said, actions speak louder than words. I believe him, BUT he needs to pay her therapy bills and stop denying the consequences. Otherwise, he is the worst kind of predator. The kind that talks a good game and makes women want to stay silent.
I completely agree! I think we should give him credit for at least taking accountability verbally, but I also agree with the other comment saying that his actions going forward will determine whether he's being genuine or not.. but just in terms of the apology he makes really good points, there is definitely a conversation that needs to be had about what many still unfortunately consider the "gray area" of consent
@@emmabunch-benson4795 I think he did admit tho? He said if any of the people effected want to contact him he will apologise directly, he also said he needs (and will get) therapy for his attitude and actions. Personally I found what he said to be sincere and I believe it could even help other men understand their own behaviour too, it was worded in a way which really opens up a dialogue which we haven't really been having.
Hi Sesh crew! The type of sexual assault that you are asking about is sexual coercion or coerced sex. It is actually a VERY common type of sexual assault/misconduct because of the trickery and pressure that the victim feels in needing to say “yes.” Huge fan of the show! Love you guys!
As a delivery driver, with doordash.. it’s INCREDIBLY annoying when people don’t answer questions about their delivery’s in general. Especially when your double checking it’s the right place, MANY times people who don’t respond get their deliveries in the wrong address. Sometimes the app isn’t super precise when it comes to apartments. Unfortunately people ARE ASSHOLES, I’ve learned this with doordash 3+ years.
Hahaha I feel her on this though!!! I don’t know like any actors/actresses even if I’ve seen shows or movies with them in it. I’m just so bad at names and faces.
🤣 my fiancé is the same way. He just literally does not know actors names or faces, even famous ones. Because he didn’t or doesn’t watch a lot of tv or movies or anything. He thinks every actor is Brad Pitt. He does have adhd so movies and tv doesn’t catch his attention. He gets bored and falls asleep when trying to watch movies. However, he DID make it through forest gump 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"i CoULd chAnGe THaT" yeah the threats of conversion said so lightly can be disturbing and scary to us. there are definitely long, nuanced discussions that need to be had in order for us to understand each other and treat each other better
Him speaking out about this brings awareness to the SA issue that we keep seeing in our society. I hope the young people who looked up to him are able to learn that sexual coercion can be subtle, and based on the privileges someone is afforded, it can be innate. We’ve seen countless old men get caught for this very thing, but have chalked it up to them being old. Now we are seeing a young man repeating the cycle, and it’s really showing how ingrained this behavior is in our culture.
it’s also not adding up bc how did they know the groceries went into that specific apartment if the delivery picture didn’t have her welcome mat in the pic? sounds like they were right at her doorstep not in the hallway 🤔
I’ve been in a situation where I was coerced into having sex with someone, because saying no wasn’t working, so I felt my only option was to comply. I wouldn’t say I was sexually assaulted, bc I did agree to allow it finally, but I FELT violated & disgusted with myself during & afterwards. I felt like he didn’t give me any other option & that he wasn’t going to let me leave if I didn’t comply. He was much bigger than me & I was 17, so I didn’t feel I could fight him off either. So yeah, I’d call it coercion for sure. It still sucks just the same as an actual sexual assault. (I’ve been assaulted too) When someone says no, that needs to be it. To continue to push sex with someone is disgusting.
Sorry you had that happen. I hope you found a healthy happy relationship now. I was in an abusive relationship for 3 years were my ex said "you are obligated to have sex with me because we are dating." I still struggle with seeing it as assault, but I wasn't consulting so...definitely get those feelings of violation and disgust.
Just so you know, what you described absolutely is sexual assault. Saying no multiple times and feeling you couldn’t leave til you submitted makes it r*pe. I’m so sorry this happened to you. You might be able to file a police report if the statute of limitations hasn’t passed.
My ex did this to me for years. I told him what I wanted in bed and he claimed to listen but never did, and because he worked odd hours and I take meds at night that make me sleepy I really didn’t want to but felt bad if I didn’t. I also have some physical and mental disabilities (plus trauma from a former partner) that made things difficult but I was always working with what I could. Eventually he accused me about lying about my sex drive initially (we’d been together nearly 4 years at this point) and then started commenting on how I was gaining weight and how gross I looked. After that I was very hurt and obviously didn’t feel comfortable, but even after I explained this to him he was still upset I didn’t want to have sex with him. I’m in a very loving relationship now with someone who actually makes me happy and worthy ❤️.
@elisheamariana Thank you guys for bringing it to my attention that it could still very well be considered rape, even if I “agreed” to it. Logically, I know it was basically rape. It felt the same, for sure. I know I didn’t consent, & I was not a willing participant either. It’s true that sexual assault always feels like it’s somehow our own fault, when in reality, it’s far from it. Hate that any of us have even had to have the thought in the first place. Thank you for educating me further on the subject & not being hateful about it. The online world can be absolutely vicious sometimes.
i think a huge piece missing from the discussion of if andrew should be “cancelled” or not, is that while it is only natural for the outsiders to have their own opinions on the matter, the only people who can forgive him/accept his apology are his victims. bottom line. end of story. period. it is not anyone else’s apology to accept. this one hit me harder than most because i also have an abuser in the “interview guy” space with a huge platform and if he ever came out and put a video out verbatim to what andrew did and i was reading in the comments about people forgiving him and blah blah blah i would be livid. you don’t know until you know. just my two cents, i don’t think it matters at all what we all think. i think it really only matters about the victims and i agree with you all that he spent way to much time addressing other people in this “apology” than he did his victims and i think that immediately devalues and delegitimizes his apology for me personally. i hope his victims find peace and live happy lives because they deserve it.
I agree with Janelle!! That's why got opted for a studio apartment, because I can watch TV from my bed, eat from my bed... basically rot in bed too LOL
I remember when Laura Lee was “cancelled” and made that horrible apology video I thought it would be the end of her channel. But it seems like she’s matured a lot since then and she puts out great content :) So I think people can come out of cancellation if they are meant to
Keep up the coerced consent talk! It took me 2 years to realise I was SAed by my ex partner of 8 years and if I was more aware of enthusiastic consent I would have left him years before that. Important convo 🙏
Reminder to all , actions speak louder than words. Andrew Callaghan can say anything he wants and we should continue to watch what he does. He has a great apology video but will he follow through ? I hope he does. I hope he can be an example for others.
about an hour before i watched this, i made my facebook status: friendly reminder: “no” is not a form of flattery. “no” does not mean “try harder” “no” does not mean “maybe” “no” means “no” and there is never a circumstance where the definition wavers. so glad we are talking about this.
It’s so sad about Andrew. My Bf and I just attended his live show & we were devastated. We believe the victims & hope their lives can be restored. Andrew now needs to put his words into action.
Do you guys still support Andrew and follow him? My partner likes him, knows about what he’s done and still follows and supports him. And it kind of makes me uncomfortable. And I’m not really sure what to do because I can’t support people who hurt others, and it upsets me that my partner is still supporting someone who does that
This is what I was thinking. I think society needs to have an open discussion about Coerced Consent. Girls need to know that they don't have to nurture the needs of everyone, and boys need to know that we no longer live in a society that encourages being chased after.
WOOHOOOO SESH DAY BAYBEEEE best day of the week! love seeing Kendall being silly and let loose! and omg Janelle’s “ohhh nooo” and “hell yea!” never fail to crack me UP! cheers! 🎉🎉❤❤
you guys should try baileys & root beer! it’s like an adult root beer float 🤗🤤 if you wanna get fancy too, add whip cream on top & some cinnamon powder!
I want to know what would be an appropriate apology in this situation? Like it seems no matter how it’s done it will never be enough for what has actually been done, you know? Is there even a way to do a good apology in this context?
Late to this but has there been ANY “acceptable” apologies ever in the world of social media and famous people? Every one I can think of has been ripped apart and mocked and not one has been deemed okay.
I was just waiting for him to apologize to the women but he didn’t. He used basically every word besides I’m sorry or I apologize to them, only to his friends and family
I am so glad this form of sexual abuse is finally being talked about. A eerily similar situation happened to me and I’ve always said I don’t believe everyone would agree with me because I technically didn’t say no but also didn’t give consent either. I was 17 at the time I am now almost 22. Personally, in my situation we had done other things so i felt pressured into more. I started to have sex with the person and immediately tears filled my eyes. I made up a lie as soon as it started saying that I needed to go home right now. I left and never talked to that person again. to make matters worse the guy had recently broken up with his long-term girlfriend. She quickly found out that we had done start and started harassing me at a party. He has reached out since many times but he probably doesn’t even know I had to talk about his ass In therapy for years after.
I knew in the moment it wasn’t right what happened to me. I honestly at first pretended it didn’t happen, I didn’t ever tell anyone we even slept together because it hurt me too deep to actually acknowledge what truly happened. I feel most men just say “you wanted it” and never truly take accountability which is super sad. I am so happy you shared your story with me! We are both so strong. I am sending you all the love and support Elishea 🫶🏼
It’s sexual coercion! Unfortunately I can relate to the victims and it really does have an effect on you long term. It made me afraid to say no to my abuser (and partner at the time) for fear of a worse, more forceful experience. I still struggle saying no sometimes because it makes it feel meaningless after your boundaries have been overstepped. His self victimization is infuriating. It’s really telling that she gave him multiple chances to take accountability but he was silent until it was public knowledge and had consequences. I think a way that he may get some redemption is raising awareness on SA and do a series where he donates 100% of profits to victims of SA. He shouldn’t be able to just jump back into whatever he was doing before
There is a fun podcast game you guys should try! Everyone will get 2 random words that you have to try to causally say during the podcast and if someone calls you out you have to do something (ex: take shot of alcohol or hot sauce) but if they are wrong then they have to take shot or whatever you choose. Everyone gets 2 chances! You guys can end the show by going over your words and if anyone got away with their words!!
How did the neighbour even know it was K who took the groceries? I mean they even said the groceries were on the hall so how would they know which neighbour took them?
Consent needs to be both informed and enthusiastic! That being said, I can respect that he took accountability. I feel like this apology was as good as it could have gotten but at the end of the day it will only matter if it's backed up with action.
Yall need to play guess the movie based on people's descriptions of it. SimplyNotlogical did it and it was hilarious. You guys could describe movies to Janelle and see if she knows which movie it is 🤣
Karelly honestly you had me in the first half when you first brought the groceries inside, but no you are not the ahole, and I love the note you wrote 😂 enjoy your free groceries my gal, I feel like you earned them!
This podcast really just makes me happy to listen to... hearing you guys vibe and just chat and catch up feels like I've got friends 🤣🤣🤣 Love you guys.
Karelly is definitely not the asshole! Your neighbor definitely got reimbursed & probably just wanted free groceries too. I had Wendys doordash left at my door one day, I kept it for about an hour before I enjoyed myself a nice chili & chicken nuggets 😂😂
January and February are always the sleepy time of the year for me as well. I think it’s because it is colder out, the days are shorter, etc. So I totally get what you guys are talking about. 🥰
I bought a couple of Morphe palletes on November 2022 during the Black Friday sale at Ulta. I returned them yesterday and to my surprise, the associate had no idea about the harmful additives in the eyeshadow palettes and the lawsuit. Even after I shared the information to her, she was still interested in buying more Morphe palettes. If makeup products are not FDA approved, Ulta shouldn’t sell them at stores. I even sent a tweet to Ulta and they haven’t responded.
Just an FYI here... Champagne comes from the Champagne wine region of France. Companies will say champagne on their bottles but they are actually sparkling wine. It's only real if it comes from the actual Champagne region. Just thought you might find this interesting.
I can totally relate to that AITA, I live in an apartment building and my neighbors are ALWAYS sending boxes to my apartment on accident and I never know what to do with them, as you said you can’t knock on every door and ask if it was theirs.. I usually just put the box down in the mailroom but after its constantly happening multiple times a week I usually just leave the packages outside of my front door. If you live in my apartment building and are missing a package, changes are it’s sitting outside my front door🤷🏼♀️
As a huge fan of Andrew, this was extremely shocking and disappointing. As a survivor of SA myself I appreciated his apology. Our culture has taught men this is how you have sexual experiences with women. Alcohol can also have a huge impact on situations like this. HOWEVER these are contributing factors that men should NOT use as excuses. I do think that Andrew having this platform is an amazing opportunity to educate other men and teach them accountability. I'm so glad that conversations like this are happening. I hope he does a project on this topic and doesn't just disappear. He has a voice, eyes are on him. Use it for good. Donate the money to better sexual education in schools. Teach teens that consent exists because it was never a topic in my life until I was assaulted myself. Idk, just my thoughts.
Hi Kendall and Janelle! I just want to add some love and say I appreciate The Sesh so much. I look forward to it every week and literally have not missed a single episode😂 I can always count on your guys to brighten my mood💗💗
Love the ring tailed cat! We had a black little pig come into our property to find food. He had deep lacerations on his back legs and neck but was still surviving. After a week of trying to catch him today we finally captured him and he will see a vet and live at a sanctuary!! I love him so much!! I have a new respect for pigs. We think we was a pot belly mix!
It's only champagne if it's from champagne France. Also Tom Hanks is an amazing actor and I definitely recommend Forest Gump (which is one of my all time favs) and Cast Away. He He's also the voice of Woody in Toy Story
Those lime chips sound SO good! We should have people send care packages from different countries to try different snacks. I’m in Australia and would LOVE to send you guys one! 🐨
Miss Karelly, you are NTA. I lived in a mobile home park and this happened a lot. We lucked out and got decent, repeat drivers over time. However, Door Dash started in my town about the time COVID hit. So lot of people wanting to make cash, but still too lazy to do complete deliveries. This resulted in us weeding out the drivers by filing complaints due to missing items or missed delivery. Your neighbors should be lucky you gave a damn to begin with. And I second the comment the top. The store CANNOT take them back. I live in WV...we some po' folks here and even pre-COVID and they did not take them back. Ya'll made my week! I love you gals...be safe, sleep well and have a great weekend! Many hugs to Holly and Charlie 😄
ugh for some my post notifications got turned off!! no wonder i was missing all these live premieres 😞. But i’m here now and super excited for this episode 😍😍
Yes, agreed alcohol can lead to many toxic traits if you are someone who comes from a family that has alcohol/substance abuse problems. If you know it runs in your family (alcoholism/substance abuse) your best bet is to omit it from your life. With all love 💕
the whole issue with morphe is common with any eyeshadow brand depending on certain colours and pressed pigments. They usually claim to not be eye safe but they are clearly meant to be
Kendall and Janelle!! I am a longtime listener of all Mile Higher Media. Today my husband and I accepted a travel nurse contract so we will be spending 10 weeks in Denver. Any suggestions of places to go/things to do while we are there?! We are so excited!
I have been addicted to IMDB since like 2008, that's the only reason I know who anyone on TV/movies is. Janelle might be seeing these people in character, but not know what their real life name is. Like how she thought Tom Hanks was the actual pilot Sully lolol 🤷♀️
I am so happy that these women came out against Andrew because the same thing happened to me one night and I let my friend stay over, repeatedly said no and he wouldn’t take no for an answer. Instead of giving in I held my ground and kicked him out. He left after throwing things and it was so traumatic. Never took Accountability for what he did. And I always thought I was crazy for being upset about it and dropping him as a friend but now I feel so so much better. ❤
This grocery situation has happened to me and my BF, please be careful! We called the store to try and get someone to pick them up because it was a LOT of food. (we kept everything in bags and put things in our fridge in the meantime.) We finally got in contact with the right store and they said the people were not going to pick them up and to just keep them... mind you this is after the store has asked US to now deliver their groceries. Come to find out the store gave the grocery owners our address (after telling us they would not be picking them up) because 2 HUGE guys come banging on our door at 11PM demanding their food. It was the scariest thing I have ever been in and for a second I thought we had been set up. Some context - For some reason we had been getting takeout orders for months before and after this situation occurred that we didn't order but on one would pick it up. It was very strange, and we moved the second we had the chance. Not to mention 2 days before moving out someone broke into our apartment and stole a bunch of stuff we had packed. (They do not keep contact info on the groceries)
not the asshole for the groceries thing! although i would have just pushed them over and let them be cause it’s not my problem or business lol. but i totally understand taking them as well, because like you guys said, they could’ve left their number and unit or simply knocked and let you guys know they need them
Sydney, you're not the a-hole! I use delivery services sometimes because I'm disabled and can't drive to the store myself. They've delivered to the wrong place a couple times, but I contacted customer service right away and got a full refund. I always select *knock on door* and call when they are close just to be safe now. Whenever they've been left at the wrong address, I just hope that it went to someone who maybe really needed them that week 🖤 Plus like you said, why waste the food? I don't get why they didn't leave a number or knock and politely ask if you had them. Not your fault!
Instacart worker here! Karelly, you are NTA. From what you described, it sounds to me like that note was likely left by the delivery person and not your neighbor. They probably were doing a double delivery (shopping and delivering to 2 different addresses at the same time) and accidentally mixed them up and delivered the wrong order to the wrong address. Once they got to the second address they probably realized their mistake, and tried to go retrieve the correct order but realized it was no longer at your door and proceeded to leave the note. Hence why there was no unit number and why they were left in the hallway all day. Either way, this isn’t your fault! Good on you for trying to get them back on the hands of the right person! But I probably would’ve kept them too in the end 😂
I would have moved the groceries, that I didn’t buy, off my mat and a few feet from my door. Checked back every hour or so. If the note was left that night they would have seen them and grabbed them. Sorry K. 😬 I think you took them in too soon
Karelly, this has happened to me!!! I obviously brought the groceries inside, I didn’t want them to just sit there, it’s my front door! Lol I stared at them for a minute before taking action on what to do. Luckily, for me, there was a Walmart sticker on them, so I drove to Walmart and dropped the groceries off. I let the manager know that they delivered to the wrong address. They were able to find the customer (because of the barcode) and took care of the customer. BOOM! Easy. Whoever that guy was, what a total asshole. You’re good K, at that point I would’ve kept the groceries too. Lol
Karelly you are NOT the a hole. I lived in an apartment complex that had like a community board online so people would constantly post about missing delivered items. If you had something like that, you probably would have been able to find the unit/house those groceries belonged to. Since you didn't, how we're you supposed to know where to take them to? And yeah, when they deliver groceries they just leave the bags with no receipts and no way to know who they actually belong to. Those neighbors probably have a history of someone stealing their deliveries and they just took it out on you. Not right either but I can understand their frustration too. But you did the right thing.
I've heard the consent/coercion argument go a few different ways, but one I found really interesting was that blurring the definition of coercion and consent is really, really damaging. We start to treat the "Victim" party as if they are naïve / ignorant enough that they don't have the ability to know if they are consenting at ALL which in turn can be quite sexist and disempowering. There ARE always going to be shady characters out there who will try to pull stunts to manipulate you. Being honest enough to know your boundaries and communicate that in a way that other people can understand is a very personal responsibility that is required for anyone who is mature enough to be doing this stuff. Standing your ground when you've made a decision, however uncomfortable it might be, is also something you learn with time. If someone asked for my wallet over and over and over, yes they might be an annoying A*hole and in the wrong, but if in the end I do give it to them the choice is still on me because I'm an adult with autonomy. There isn't really a black and white answer, all of this is a very grey area. Andrew was being a dick and should learn from his actions for sure. But calling this a Coercion/ Manipulation issue is a discredit to anyone who has ever been in a real situation where their life could be ruined by saying no or turning someone down.
I honestly think Karelly should have left the groceries out a little longer. 30 minutes is not long enough. I wouldn't have brought them in, knowing I didn't order them until plenty of time had passed by. The owner did eventually show up and he could have found them if they were still at the door.
K isn't the a** hole! Why would her neighbor take the time to leave a rude note instead of knocking for their groceries back if they knew which apartment? 🤷♀️
True!!! Like why leave a hostile ass note, but not take any legit steps to get your stuff back?? Smh!!
They're cowards, probably why they didn't grab the food after she put it back out. Afraid to face her
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They literally can’t take the groceries back after they’re incorrectly delivered… no one is to blame when you keep them. The original person gets refunded and it’s never that deep
Yeah I’ve had the wrong groceries delivered to me (someone else’s order) and none of my stuff, and I got a full refund and got to keep the wrong groceries - I just sent a pic and no further questions were asked. 100% I’m sure that they could have gotten a refund.
This happened to my family on Thanksgiving 2021. It was obviously for a big family (there’s only myself and my parents) and we asked the our neighbors we knew and wanted to donate them but obviously we couldn’t. We called Instacart and everything to try to let whoever ordered them that we had them but I’m sure that’s a privacy issue. It felt terrible wasting so much food.
I am wondering though, was the person who left the note definitely the owner of the groceries, or could it have maybe been the driver? Like they said, the owner of the groceries could have found K's apartment based off a delivery pic, but it just seems a lil far fetched and insane for a person who is getting refunded to care enough to leave a mean note, but not care enough to knock on the door and ask for the groceries or leave their apt number so K can drop them off? I was thinking maybe the driver realized and came back to try and correct it before anyone noticed, but got mad and left the note when they realized they were taken inside already. That may explain too why nobody knocked to get the groceries back because they're just mad their mistake got caught, rather than mad the groceries aren't there, especially since someone knows they got misdelivered so they can't redeliver it now. Explains why the person leaving the note knew the location of K's apartment, that the note didn't have a call back # or the owners apt # and why the owner didn't find the groceries when K put them back outside. Just a thought tho...
Not the asshole ❤
Honestly I’d be happy for whoever got my groceries- they get some free shit and I get a refund 😂
I learned this acronym in my high school sex Ed class “consent FRIES”
F - freely given
R - reversible
I - informed
E - enthusiastic
S - specific
I’m so glad my high school brought in representatives from planned parenthood to teach us about this. I will always remember this acronym!
We still teach consent fries! We’re in the process of revamping the presentation, glad to hear it’s helpful and that it was easily remembered!😊
love this !
Karelly.. girl you are NOT the asshole!! I’m so glad you wrote them a note back😂😭
Also J and Ken are me af defending their friends hahaha😂❤️🥰
Man, the “as I’ve gotten older, I’ve realized how many times I was violated” (paraphrasing) jot so hard. So much yes. I didn’t hear y’all mention but I remember having this feeling that if a man did something nice for me, took me to dinner, etc, I almost owed them, and felt I couldn’t say No for that reason. I hate that so much, as I try to navigate how to teach my daughters and son differently!
Karelly definitely is NOT the asshole. As someone who frequently orders my grocery for delivery, I know they'll refund your neighbors or will re deliver the groceries. Don't feel bad, you did everything in your power. The person who left you the anonymous note is the asshole.
I have to say I’m impressed that he admitted his indiscretions, it’s a step in the right direction! Most guys like him will deny until the end.
I agree. I also like that he used the term "sex pest behavior" because we all know AT LEAST one guy like that.
With that being said, actions speak louder than words. I believe him, BUT he needs to pay her therapy bills and stop denying the consequences. Otherwise, he is the worst kind of predator. The kind that talks a good game and makes women want to stay silent.
@@amandagfuller I agree with this. It’s also two sides to every story… I take everything with a grain of salt.
I completely agree! I think we should give him credit for at least taking accountability verbally, but I also agree with the other comment saying that his actions going forward will determine whether he's being genuine or not.. but just in terms of the apology he makes really good points, there is definitely a conversation that needs to be had about what many still unfortunately consider the "gray area" of consent
He didn’t fully admit to anything. Reallyyy listen to all that he says. It’s basically “yes I did, no I didn’t, yes I did, no I didn’t”
@@emmabunch-benson4795 I think he did admit tho? He said if any of the people effected want to contact him he will apologise directly, he also said he needs (and will get) therapy for his attitude and actions. Personally I found what he said to be sincere and I believe it could even help other men understand their own behaviour too, it was worded in a way which really opens up a dialogue which we haven't really been having.
Hi Sesh crew! The type of sexual assault that you are asking about is sexual coercion or coerced sex. It is actually a VERY common type of sexual assault/misconduct because of the trickery and pressure that the victim feels in needing to say “yes.” Huge fan of the show! Love you guys!
As a delivery driver, with doordash.. it’s INCREDIBLY annoying when people don’t answer questions about their delivery’s in general. Especially when your double checking it’s the right place, MANY times people who don’t respond get their deliveries in the wrong address. Sometimes the app isn’t super precise when it comes to apartments. Unfortunately people ARE ASSHOLES, I’ve learned this with doordash 3+ years.
Janelle not knowing who Tom hanks is got me.. then she pulled the Barqs out and I was like ok ok I can forgive. Woman knows the best rootbeer
Have you ever had A&W root beer ?
@@stephanieshanonn366 yes but in my own opinion Barqs is superior.. especially one with an in n out meal ❤️
If Janelle doesn't know who one more person is I'm going to start thinking she's doing this on purpose
Hahaha I feel her on this though!!! I don’t know like any actors/actresses even if I’ve seen shows or movies with them in it. I’m just so bad at names and faces.
Haha I mean she couple be purposefully ignoring and not caring to learn the names of celebrities and such which I definitely feel
I believe her, but I'm honestly starting to wonder what on earth she IS watching. Does she play the Grinch on repeat when she "watches movies?" 🤣😂🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣 my fiancé is the same way. He just literally does not know actors names or faces, even famous ones. Because he didn’t or doesn’t watch a lot of tv or movies or anything. He thinks every actor is Brad Pitt. He does have adhd so movies and tv doesn’t catch his attention. He gets bored and falls asleep when trying to watch movies. However, he DID make it through forest gump 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As an asexual, I can confirm: "no"/"I'm not interested" translates to "try harder" or I just "haven't experienced" *HIM* yet to a majority of men.
"i CoULd chAnGe THaT"
yeah the threats of conversion said so lightly can be disturbing and scary to us. there are definitely long, nuanced discussions that need to be had in order for us to understand each other and treat each other better
As a lesbian... Can confirm. They just try hard cuz they are "the one"
Him speaking out about this brings awareness to the SA issue that we keep seeing in our society. I hope the young people who looked up to him are able to learn that sexual coercion can be subtle, and based on the privileges someone is afforded, it can be innate. We’ve seen countless old men get caught for this very thing, but have chalked it up to them being old. Now we are seeing a young man repeating the cycle, and it’s really showing how ingrained this behavior is in our culture.
Karelly isn't the asshole! They didn't knock and ask. They didn't even try to.
that’s what I was thinking! they left a rude note but didn’t even attempt to knock?!
it’s also not adding up bc how did they know the groceries went into that specific apartment if the delivery picture didn’t have her welcome mat in the pic? sounds like they were right at her doorstep not in the hallway 🤔
@Kelsi Ternes ooo I didn't even think of that! Maybe the entry was in the background of the photo?
I’ve been in a situation where I was coerced into having sex with someone, because saying no wasn’t working, so I felt my only option was to comply.
I wouldn’t say I was sexually assaulted, bc I did agree to allow it finally, but I FELT violated & disgusted with myself during & afterwards. I felt like he didn’t give me any other option & that he wasn’t going to let me leave if I didn’t comply. He was much bigger than me & I was 17, so I didn’t feel I could fight him off either.
So yeah, I’d call it coercion for sure. It still sucks just the same as an actual sexual assault. (I’ve been assaulted too)
When someone says no, that needs to be it. To continue to push sex with someone is disgusting.
Every single time I’ve ever had sex (11 year long relationship) it has been coerced out of me or just straight up unwillingly.
Sorry you had that happen. I hope you found a healthy happy relationship now.
I was in an abusive relationship for 3 years were my ex said "you are obligated to have sex with me because we are dating."
I still struggle with seeing it as assault, but I wasn't consulting so...definitely get those feelings of violation and disgust.
Just so you know, what you described absolutely is sexual assault. Saying no multiple times and feeling you couldn’t leave til you submitted makes it r*pe. I’m so sorry this happened to you. You might be able to file a police report if the statute of limitations hasn’t passed.
My ex did this to me for years. I told him what I wanted in bed and he claimed to listen but never did, and because he worked odd hours and I take meds at night that make me sleepy I really didn’t want to but felt bad if I didn’t. I also have some physical and mental disabilities (plus trauma from a former partner) that made things difficult but I was always working with what I could.
Eventually he accused me about lying about my sex drive initially (we’d been together nearly 4 years at this point) and then started commenting on how I was gaining weight and how gross I looked. After that I was very hurt and obviously didn’t feel comfortable, but even after I explained this to him he was still upset I didn’t want to have sex with him.
I’m in a very loving relationship now with someone who actually makes me happy and worthy ❤️.
@elisheamariana Thank you guys for bringing it to my attention that it could still very well be considered rape, even if I “agreed” to it.
Logically, I know it was basically rape. It felt the same, for sure. I know I didn’t consent, & I was not a willing participant either. It’s true that sexual assault always feels like it’s somehow our own fault, when in reality, it’s far from it. Hate that any of us have even had to have the thought in the first place.
Thank you for educating me further on the subject & not being hateful about it. The online world can be absolutely vicious sometimes.
i think a huge piece missing from the discussion of if andrew should be “cancelled” or not, is that while it is only natural for the outsiders to have their own opinions on the matter, the only people who can forgive him/accept his apology are his victims. bottom line. end of story. period. it is not anyone else’s apology to accept. this one hit me harder than most because i also have an abuser in the “interview guy” space with a huge platform and if he ever came out and put a video out verbatim to what andrew did and i was reading in the comments about people forgiving him and blah blah blah i would be livid. you don’t know until you know. just my two cents, i don’t think it matters at all what we all think. i think it really only matters about the victims and i agree with you all that he spent way to much time addressing other people in this “apology” than he did his victims and i think that immediately devalues and delegitimizes his apology for me personally. i hope his victims find peace and live happy lives because they deserve it.
Sydney’s hair looks so pretty this episode
I agree with Janelle!! That's why got opted for a studio apartment, because I can watch TV from my bed, eat from my bed... basically rot in bed too LOL
Every episode I see that isn’t a collaboration with Do We Know Them is a missed opportunity🤝🏼 still waiting for that day
Yeeeessss!!!
That would be all my “friends” in one place 😭
Omgosh I’d have a cow
YES I LOVE BOTH PODS IT WOULD BE ICONIC
I want to see that too!🙌🙌🙌
I remember when Laura Lee was “cancelled” and made that horrible apology video I thought it would be the end of her channel. But it seems like she’s matured a lot since then and she puts out great content :) So I think people can come out of cancellation if they are meant to
Keep up the coerced consent talk! It took me 2 years to realise I was SAed by my ex partner of 8 years and if I was more aware of enthusiastic consent I would have left him years before that. Important convo 🙏
Reminder to all , actions speak louder than words. Andrew Callaghan can say anything he wants and we should continue to watch what he does. He has a great apology video but will he follow through ? I hope he does. I hope he can be an example for others.
about an hour before i watched this, i made my facebook status:
friendly reminder:
“no” is not a form of flattery.
“no” does not mean “try harder”
“no” does not mean “maybe”
“no” means “no” and there is never a circumstance where the definition wavers.
so glad we are talking about this.
It’s so sad about Andrew. My Bf and I just attended his live show & we were devastated. We believe the victims & hope their lives can be restored. Andrew now needs to put his words into action.
Do you guys still support Andrew and follow him? My partner likes him, knows about what he’s done and still follows and supports him. And it kind of makes me uncomfortable. And I’m not really sure what to do because I can’t support people who hurt others, and it upsets me that my partner is still supporting someone who does that
@@xandrias6411 have you had a serious discussion with your partner. I couldn’t support someone like that.
i think the word for someone who continues after the other person says no is coercion!! loved the episode btw!
This is what I was thinking. I think society needs to have an open discussion about Coerced Consent. Girls need to know that they don't have to nurture the needs of everyone, and boys need to know that we no longer live in a society that encourages being chased after.
Really hoping that you send Anna a gift back! The amount of time and effort she put into that package is outstanding 💕
Yay! I’m Ana and I’m glad you got my package! I thought it got lost in the mail 🧡
Karelly you’re not an ***hole! Those neighbors are! My favorite notification to get is Always this one. Now it’s chill time. Love to all you ladies.
WOOHOOOO SESH DAY BAYBEEEE best day of the week! love seeing Kendall being silly and let loose!
and omg Janelle’s “ohhh nooo” and “hell yea!” never fail to crack me UP! cheers! 🎉🎉❤❤
you guys should try baileys & root beer! it’s like an adult root beer float 🤗🤤 if you wanna get fancy too, add whip cream on top & some cinnamon powder!
I'm definitely trying this! Thank you for the idea!!
@@jennifermcdonald2402 heck yeah, i hope you enjoy!
When I was a bartender we had a hard rootbeer float that was a shot of baileys, a shot of vanilla mcgillicuddy, ice cream and root beer :) so good
@@Kenzi24 that sounds incredible 😍
I want to know what would be an appropriate apology in this situation? Like it seems no matter how it’s done it will never be enough for what has actually been done, you know? Is there even a way to do a good apology in this context?
Late to this but has there been ANY “acceptable” apologies ever in the world of social media and famous people? Every one I can think of has been ripped apart and mocked and not one has been deemed okay.
Thank you for discussing coercive consent! Such an important issue to bring up and be aware of
His apology was so close to being an apology and then right as i would start thinking “hey maybe he is sorry” he fuckin steps it right back
I was just waiting for him to apologize to the women but he didn’t. He used basically every word besides I’m sorry or I apologize to them, only to his friends and family
Karelly’s note was perfect 😂😂
I am so glad this form of sexual abuse is finally being talked about. A eerily similar situation happened to me and I’ve always said I don’t believe everyone would agree with me because I technically didn’t say no but also didn’t give consent either. I was 17 at the time I am now almost 22. Personally, in my situation we had done other things so i felt pressured into more. I started to have sex with the person and immediately tears filled my eyes. I made up a lie as soon as it started saying that I needed to go home right now. I left and never talked to that person again. to make matters worse the guy had recently broken up with his long-term girlfriend. She quickly found out that we had done start and started harassing me at a party. He has reached out since many times but he probably doesn’t even know I had to talk about his ass In therapy for years after.
I knew in the moment it wasn’t right what happened to me. I honestly at first pretended it didn’t happen, I didn’t ever tell anyone we even slept together because it hurt me too deep to actually acknowledge what truly happened. I feel most men just say “you wanted it” and never truly take accountability which is super sad.
I am so happy you shared your story with me! We are both so strong. I am sending you all the love and support Elishea 🫶🏼
I want Janelle to watch forest Gump more than the office even lol... at least it's only 2 hours maybe she will get through it?!
This!!
I had someone else receive my instacart once and all i did was contact support for help. i didn’t harass anyone else lol i just moved along
With the Andrew Calllaghan thing, this can happen in marriages too.
It’s sexual coercion! Unfortunately I can relate to the victims and it really does have an effect on you long term. It made me afraid to say no to my abuser (and partner at the time) for fear of a worse, more forceful experience. I still struggle saying no sometimes because it makes it feel meaningless after your boundaries have been overstepped.
His self victimization is infuriating. It’s really telling that she gave him multiple chances to take accountability but he was silent until it was public knowledge and had consequences.
I think a way that he may get some redemption is raising awareness on SA and do a series where he donates 100% of profits to victims of SA. He shouldn’t be able to just jump back into whatever he was doing before
There is a fun podcast game you guys should try!
Everyone will get 2 random words that you have to try to causally say during the podcast and if someone calls you out you have to do something (ex: take shot of alcohol or hot sauce) but if they are wrong then they have to take shot or whatever you choose. Everyone gets 2 chances! You guys can end the show by going over your words and if anyone got away with their words!!
How did the neighbour even know it was K who took the groceries? I mean they even said the groceries were on the hall so how would they know which neighbour took them?
She explained the the door dash person probs took a photo of the door and they saw their doormat and recognised it
Consent needs to be both informed and enthusiastic!
That being said, I can respect that he took accountability. I feel like this apology was as good as it could have gotten but at the end of the day it will only matter if it's backed up with action.
Yall need to play guess the movie based on people's descriptions of it. SimplyNotlogical did it and it was hilarious.
You guys could describe movies to Janelle and see if she knows which movie it is 🤣
Karelly honestly you had me in the first half when you first brought the groceries inside, but no you are not the ahole, and I love the note you wrote 😂 enjoy your free groceries my gal, I feel like you earned them!
Having one of the hardest weeks of my life and the sesh is my saving grace always. Thank you guys. ❤️
I would have left the groceries out there. But that was nice of you to pack it up again for them.
This podcast really just makes me happy to listen to... hearing you guys vibe and just chat and catch up feels like I've got friends 🤣🤣🤣 Love you guys.
Ok yall convinced me now to try champagne and coke. Who would have thought 😂
Me too
Karelly is definitely not the asshole! Your neighbor definitely got reimbursed & probably just wanted free groceries too. I had Wendys doordash left at my door one day, I kept it for about an hour before I enjoyed myself a nice chili & chicken nuggets 😂😂
January and February are always the sleepy time of the year for me as well. I think it’s because it is colder out, the days are shorter, etc. So I totally get what you guys are talking about. 🥰
i love you all ❤ the sesh is my comfort podcast
I bought a couple of Morphe palletes on November 2022 during the Black Friday sale at Ulta. I returned them yesterday and to my surprise, the associate had no idea about the harmful additives in the eyeshadow palettes and the lawsuit. Even after I shared the information to her, she was still interested in buying more Morphe palettes. If makeup products are not FDA approved, Ulta shouldn’t sell them at stores. I even sent a tweet to Ulta and they haven’t responded.
gonna send you ladies a box from Hawai'i, compiling my list now. 😁❤
Ooo can’t wait!
This episode is going to be JUICYYY
Looove your hair Sydney!!!
Just an FYI here... Champagne comes from the Champagne wine region of France. Companies will say champagne on their bottles but they are actually sparkling wine. It's only real if it comes from the actual Champagne region. Just thought you might find this interesting.
I can totally relate to that AITA, I live in an apartment building and my neighbors are ALWAYS sending boxes to my apartment on accident and I never know what to do with them, as you said you can’t knock on every door and ask if it was theirs.. I usually just put the box down in the mailroom but after its constantly happening multiple times a week I usually just leave the packages outside of my front door. If you live in my apartment building and are missing a package, changes are it’s sitting outside my front door🤷🏼♀️
Love the vibes this show. 😌 thanks ladies for making my night of cleaning a little better!
Janelle reaching for the snacks for seconds is my spirit animal 💮
As a huge fan of Andrew, this was extremely shocking and disappointing. As a survivor of SA myself I appreciated his apology. Our culture has taught men this is how you have sexual experiences with women. Alcohol can also have a huge impact on situations like this. HOWEVER these are contributing factors that men should NOT use as excuses. I do think that Andrew having this platform is an amazing opportunity to educate other men and teach them accountability. I'm so glad that conversations like this are happening. I hope he does a project on this topic and doesn't just disappear. He has a voice, eyes are on him. Use it for good. Donate the money to better sexual education in schools. Teach teens that consent exists because it was never a topic in my life until I was assaulted myself. Idk, just my thoughts.
Hi Kendall and Janelle! I just want to add some love and say I appreciate The Sesh so much. I look forward to it every week and literally have not missed a single episode😂 I can always count on your guys to brighten my mood💗💗
I love the raccoon story! You guys should add a cute happy story like that once a week for some extra positivity ❤️
Love the ring tailed cat! We had a black little pig come into our property to find food. He had deep lacerations on his back legs and neck but was still surviving. After a week of trying to catch him today we finally captured him and he will see a vet and live at a sanctuary!! I love him so much!! I have a new respect for pigs. We think we was a pot belly mix!
It's only champagne if it's from champagne France. Also Tom Hanks is an amazing actor and I definitely recommend Forest Gump (which is one of my all time favs) and Cast Away. He He's also the voice of Woody in Toy Story
Omg the chicky cookies are my childhood. My snack cabinet was filled with them lol
Those lime chips sound SO good!
We should have people send care packages from different countries to try different snacks. I’m in Australia and would LOVE to send you guys one! 🐨
Miss Karelly, you are NTA. I lived in a mobile home park and this happened a lot. We lucked out and got decent, repeat drivers over time. However, Door Dash started in my town about the time COVID hit. So lot of people wanting to make cash, but still too lazy to do complete deliveries. This resulted in us weeding out the drivers by filing complaints due to missing items or missed delivery. Your neighbors should be lucky you gave a damn to begin with. And I second the comment the top. The store CANNOT take them back. I live in WV...we some po' folks here and even pre-COVID and they did not take them back.
Ya'll made my week! I love you gals...be safe, sleep well and have a great weekend! Many hugs to Holly and Charlie 😄
Janelle should start a movie reaction channel.
ugh for some my post notifications got turned off!! no wonder i was missing all these live premieres 😞. But i’m here now and super excited for this episode 😍😍
Yes, agreed alcohol can lead to many toxic traits if you are someone who comes from a family that has alcohol/substance abuse problems. If you know it runs in your family (alcoholism/substance abuse) your best bet is to omit it from your life. With all love 💕
the whole issue with morphe is common with any eyeshadow brand depending on certain colours and pressed pigments. They usually claim to not be eye safe but they are clearly meant to be
As someone who is a victim of SA, coercion is still a form of SA! Assault doesn’t need to be violent to be assault. Not having consent is assault!
I love Janelle's "Oh nooo" haha future merch drop idea? 🤣🌷
Love the sesh since day 1 ❤️
Kendall and Janelle!! I am a longtime listener of all Mile Higher Media. Today my husband and I accepted a travel nurse contract so we will be spending 10 weeks in Denver. Any suggestions of places to go/things to do while we are there?! We are so excited!
Chiky are so good! Miss them so much 🥲
I have been addicted to IMDB since like 2008, that's the only reason I know who anyone on TV/movies is. Janelle might be seeing these people in character, but not know what their real life name is. Like how she thought Tom Hanks was the actual pilot Sully lolol 🤷♀️
“Rot in my bed all day” is how I’d describe most of my days 😂
I am so happy that these women came out against Andrew because the same thing happened to me one night and I let my friend stay over, repeatedly said no and he wouldn’t take no for an answer. Instead of giving in I held my ground and kicked him out. He left after throwing things and it was so traumatic. Never took Accountability for what he did. And I always thought I was crazy for being upset about it and dropping him as a friend but now I feel so so much better. ❤
This grocery situation has happened to me and my BF, please be careful! We called the store to try and get someone to pick them up because it was a LOT of food. (we kept everything in bags and put things in our fridge in the meantime.) We finally got in contact with the right store and they said the people were not going to pick them up and to just keep them... mind you this is after the store has asked US to now deliver their groceries. Come to find out the store gave the grocery owners our address (after telling us they would not be picking them up) because 2 HUGE guys come banging on our door at 11PM demanding their food. It was the scariest thing I have ever been in and for a second I thought we had been set up. Some context - For some reason we had been getting takeout orders for months before and after this situation occurred that we didn't order but on one would pick it up. It was very strange, and we moved the second we had the chance. Not to mention 2 days before moving out someone broke into our apartment and stole a bunch of stuff we had packed. (They do not keep contact info on the groceries)
Janelle please watch forest gump 😂
not the asshole for the groceries thing! although i would have just pushed them over and let them be cause it’s not my problem or business lol. but i totally understand taking them as well, because like you guys said, they could’ve left their number and unit or simply knocked and let you guys know they need them
Sydney, you're not the a-hole!
I use delivery services sometimes because I'm disabled and can't drive to the store myself. They've delivered to the wrong place a couple times, but I contacted customer service right away and got a full refund. I always select *knock on door* and call when they are close just to be safe now. Whenever they've been left at the wrong address, I just hope that it went to someone who maybe really needed them that week 🖤
Plus like you said, why waste the food?
I don't get why they didn't leave a number or knock and politely ask if you had them. Not your fault!
The letter form the girl who sent you guys the snacks was really cute 🥹
Janelle omg I live in my bed too lmao I never sit in the living room either 🤣🖤
Janelles nails are everything and more 💅🏼
Instacart worker here! Karelly, you are NTA. From what you described, it sounds to me like that note was likely left by the delivery person and not your neighbor. They probably were doing a double delivery (shopping and delivering to 2 different addresses at the same time) and accidentally mixed them up and delivered the wrong order to the wrong address. Once they got to the second address they probably realized their mistake, and tried to go retrieve the correct order but realized it was no longer at your door and proceeded to leave the note. Hence why there was no unit number and why they were left in the hallway all day. Either way, this isn’t your fault! Good on you for trying to get them back on the hands of the right person! But I probably would’ve kept them too in the end 😂
Love you all so much!! Truly an inspiration to so many!! ❤
Janelle! 🤣🤣🤣 "you should make soup" that's savage ahaha
I could sleep all the time too lol. Which is why my SO refuses to have a tv in our bedroom. I would never leave my bedroom. 😂
I had the same thing happen to me with Amazon fresh. I kept the groceries at the door for 30 minutes and after that I brought everything in lol
I would have moved the groceries, that I didn’t buy, off my mat and a few feet from my door. Checked back every hour or so. If the note was left that night they would have seen them and grabbed them. Sorry K. 😬 I think you took them in too soon
Karelly, this has happened to me!!!
I obviously brought the groceries inside, I didn’t want them to just sit there, it’s my front door! Lol I stared at them for a minute before taking action on what to do.
Luckily, for me, there was a Walmart sticker on them, so I drove to Walmart and dropped the groceries off. I let the manager know that they delivered to the wrong address. They were able to find the customer (because of the barcode) and took care of the customer. BOOM! Easy.
Whoever that guy was, what a total asshole. You’re good K, at that point I would’ve kept the groceries too. Lol
Karelly you are NOT the a hole. I lived in an apartment complex that had like a community board online so people would constantly post about missing delivered items. If you had something like that, you probably would have been able to find the unit/house those groceries belonged to. Since you didn't, how we're you supposed to know where to take them to? And yeah, when they deliver groceries they just leave the bags with no receipts and no way to know who they actually belong to. Those neighbors probably have a history of someone stealing their deliveries and they just took it out on you. Not right either but I can understand their frustration too. But you did the right thing.
The debt that they owe Jeffree and James is being disputed by Morphe. I think Jaclyn was the only influencer debt that they didn’t dispute
I'm so glad I'm not alone in my love for my bed!!!
I never knew people didn't know about Cola champaign its delicious 😋
Its a huge Hispanic drink
I've heard the consent/coercion argument go a few different ways, but one I found really interesting was that blurring the definition of coercion and consent is really, really damaging. We start to treat the "Victim" party as if they are naïve / ignorant enough that they don't have the ability to know if they are consenting at ALL which in turn can be quite sexist and disempowering. There ARE always going to be shady characters out there who will try to pull stunts to manipulate you. Being honest enough to know your boundaries and communicate that in a way that other people can understand is a very personal responsibility that is required for anyone who is mature enough to be doing this stuff. Standing your ground when you've made a decision, however uncomfortable it might be, is also something you learn with time. If someone asked for my wallet over and over and over, yes they might be an annoying A*hole and in the wrong, but if in the end I do give it to them the choice is still on me because I'm an adult with autonomy. There isn't really a black and white answer, all of this is a very grey area. Andrew was being a dick and should learn from his actions for sure. But calling this a Coercion/ Manipulation issue is a discredit to anyone who has ever been in a real situation where their life could be ruined by saying no or turning someone down.
I honestly think Karelly should have left the groceries out a little longer. 30 minutes is not long enough. I wouldn't have brought them in, knowing I didn't order them until plenty of time had passed by. The owner did eventually show up and he could have found them if they were still at the door.
But then she put them back out and they were out for like a day+