Magura MT5 disc brakes with Shimano SLX handles on my emtb
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- I absolutely love my double piston Magura MT5 brakes on my converted Radon Swoop 170 ebike. The only problem is the spongy plastic-bodied MT5 handles.
One has simply broken down by braking... (btw after 4 weeks Magura customer service replied & stated it is not a warranty case...) And the second one did not survive one of the crashes last week.
I have heard people mixing Magura and Shimano and getting positive results + there were no Magura parts neither in Hafjel nor in Trysil bike parks in Norway.
So I went with SLX handle to try it out myself.
I am riding this ShiGura setup for more than a month now (daily) and I am completely satisfied with the performance.
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Drop your questions to the comments and I will reply.
Shimano Needle ?
Shimano Olive ?
Hi Joni English, I do not understand the intention of your comment 🙄
@@VRMinde what needle did you use ?
Magura Needle or the Shimano Needle ( insert )
i see the Hose is Magura , with a Shimano Olive .
Joni English i used magura hose, shimano olive and needle :). (Edit: This comment is wrong, look below to replies)
@@VRMinde Thanks - i have a Magura MT5 older style and lots of play in the Lever Pivot : thinking of this update but using the m8100 or m7100 Lever Blades
Joni English I think there are better options than slx, I just got what I got in the mtb park workshop and then added the second one the same. I still like them more than magura mt5. Let me know if it worked for you
Absolute legend!!! I recently snapped my mt5 master cylinder in half and wanted to put a shimano lever on my magura calliper. The guys at the bike shop said they would not recommend it. However, you have proven that wrong with your video. Next time my lever snaps ill be switching to shimano. Thank you for the video!
I would never recommend it as a bike shop either 😅 if something goes wrong you would blame them. I can do it for my own bike and take all the risks myself. It is been a while since I built this setup, still running it today :) glad you found this helpful man!
Lots of things going on all over your handle bars...... nice experiment...
Cat G haha yeah, there is a lot of clutter :) Still today shigura is on and working
Super nice and complete video, RUclips is made for that ! Thank you so much for this simply explaining film !
Born to Ride thank you for the kind words mate! I am happy you liked it! :)
VRMinde yes it’s nice to see a video like that for me because I’m also riding a Radon ;) and I’m running MT5 too ! I’m currently thinking to change the levers too, not because the originals are fragile, but only to have a better feeling, touch of the brake. Is it a good idea for that ?
@@alexandrebonniot1234 I was not disappointed by MT5 in a really bad way (except the failure and customer support).
And I have been riding one SLX and one MT5 at the same time for more than a month. I liked the shimano levers more, but it would not be my first priority of investment if you know what I mean :)
Maybe you can go to a bike shop and see if they have bikes to test ride with shimano brakes? You could see how the levers feel.
I like the shimano levers more, but I could do wheelies, ride trails and etc. with MT5 as well. So it is really a personal situation and a personal choice.
VRMinde yes of course, this is a personal choice. But on my old bike I was running XT brakes, and I prefer the Shimano feeling than the Magura feeling. Does putting Shimano levers make the feeling better or it’s the same as before ? (I don’t really know if the touching feeling is the consequence of the lever or of the calliper...)
@@alexandrebonniot1234 Shimano levers feel much more responsive and accurate for me. The Magura calipers are perfect! Do not touch them :)
Replacing the levers gives a better breaking experience in my personal opinion :)
"SHIGURA" the word itself gets a thumps up
Nice just got my new Shimano saint levers to pair with my magura MT5E so going shigura at last as magura levers are terrible and saints are definitely a worthy upgrade to my ebike
Hope you will enjoy the result :)
@@VRMinde cheers decided saints would be best for magura MT5E on my Haibike as saints are Shimano rated for downhill so having servo wave will help to as ride bike park Wales and downhill to so need that stop power as old magura ones leaked oil when ever hit brakes not good look for magura at all now just waiting for olive and barbs to come today then can swap to saints
Oh, I hope this doesn't happen to my MT5s. By the way, nice hack! I love these type of adaptation. Good job!
I hope so as well man! At least put on a zip-tie on them. I saw so many riders having them on at the Hefjel bike park :)
@@VRMinde thanks for the tip. I've been riding the same set of MT5s since 2 years ago, and no problems. Maybe I got lucky.
@@rubenvor I had the same story - my old mt5s lasted for 4 years and on my new bike bursted open (thankfully) one day before we hit downhill park. And then when I looked for it - found more people with the same issue. I do not think it is very common-probably very rare, but very dangerous :)
I had the same issue with that cap coming loose and letting fluid escape. I also put a zip tie on it.
Luis O.F. Hi mate, I know I was not alone with this issue :)
Ali clarkson: Heavy trials rider breathing
Hugh ten Hove that guy knows how to ride a bike I can see :)
I will have to see the Shigura setup sometime :)
LeAstrale let me know if it worked out well for ya :) I had to replace the rear brake pads today. Lasted me only 2 months :O extra speed and wheight of ebike did it’s dirty job :)
its really good idea for the bang for bucks. I have tried the another one that i use brakelever shimano deore and caliper with shimano alivio. Its my option to hack the brakepad cheaper than caliper deore. Eventhough cheaper brakepad but caliper get more power brake from deore brake lever. hahaha its briliant for me and i see your hack on this video is more more good briliant idea. Good Job!!!
Thanks mate!
Tried that ,tweaked it for 2 months ,not reliable at all .Tried also with magura royal blood and with shimano oil ,with magura rb was a little bit better .There is 1 big point which i've found ,internal cable routing affects the brake spongieness !!! On the frames which have the rear brake externally routed it might work better.Of course if you ride the brakes only on flat or light trails it works okay but nothing extreme or even dh.Now i'm running mt7 pro with mdr p. Totally different from mt5 .
That is interesting as I am still running the same setup, it is more than a year now, almost two! Maybe a good time to replace the oil :)
@@VRMinde as i said it's depends on many things , rider weight ,brake usage ,etc..Since i have /had around 98-95kg i was abusing the brakes af. Maybe you got a better qualify batch .
@@jgellert don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I do not believe in you :)
Bafang Engine too? I run LUNA X2 V2, but it is setup so nice. Bought TRP DH-R EVO brakes and honestly wish I had gone with MT7 and Saint9120 or XTR levers
Yes, good old bbshd, still running strong at 3kw with the phaserunner :)
Great video. My only issue is the long lever throw before the bite point and the rear having more lever throw than the front. I've tried overfilling, but that only last a couple rides before the shimano lever squirts out the excess fluid. Thoughts?
The Duke of MTB , sounds like you have some leakage issue with your rear brake? It took me longer to bleed the rear one - adding oil to the top after first 2 rides helped (overfilling as you say). No oil should be squirted out. My both brakes “bite” at the same distance 🙄
Another factor can be wear of brake pads. If you put in wide blocks between the pistons for bleeding and then install brake pads that are narrow/worn there will be a bigger gap resulting in more distance before “bite”.
You can try using narrower piston stop blocks when bleeding to have a minimal gap.
And finaly SLX bite point is fixed and not adjustable :( XT and above brakes have an adjustable bite point...
You forgot to put the rubber thingie that masks the screw on the lever.
Wipasz SA thanks for noticing :) replacing something is easier than filming+replacing :D
Ali Clarkson has just done the same thing. Might be a trend starting up
Андрей Фомичёв i have seen German riders in Reddit forums talking about shigura for a while :) it might be. Magura needs to step up!
@@VRMindeYeah, as someone who rides trials I can say that magura has a surprising set of innate problems in different brakes that's totally amazing for a brand that big and influential
Currently, my only issue with the mt5/mt7 brakes is that they are so powerful that the rear caliper keeps shifting over into misalignment even with the bolts torqued down properly. This happens on both me and my wifes bikes. I don't dare torque it more than 7nm even though 6nm is the recommendation. I ruined the caliper bolt holes before from over tightening.
The Duke of MTB wow 😳 never had an issue like this.
@@VRMinde Try checking your rear caliper alignment. Maybe it's off by a millimeter since you last checked and you just haven't noticed. I check every couple days, recenter it, and then after a day at the bike park it's off center again. Let me know.
The Duke of MTB just remembered to check the bike. Calipers are aligned and in place. I did not use a torq wrench last time fitting them...
@@dukeofmtb then it centers itself same as you would with loose bolts, just it takes the piston movement into account :D even better :D
@@tomasstraka5244 Turns out I had a bad bearing in the rear hub. Slight wobble in the wheel. 😅
haha love the Shigura all the way!
Me too, still the same setup today :)
is this price oke for a hope 203 rotor ? 75.99 € euro ? i had a storm hc 203 magura, but mt5 estop manual says: 1.8 mm thickness MAX !! so now i need a new rotor, ZZZZZ
Sorry mate I have not been buying bike parts recently so lost connection to the pricing. In my view all bike parts are not normally expensive these days!
So this answers the mineral oil question that shimano oil is compatible with Magura.
I used all the mineral oils on all the systems. I have not mixed two in one though. But I have never had any gaskets/o-rings worn out or damaged... :) at least yet!
@@VRMinde that's good to know. Magura's Royal Blood is not always available in shops and way more expensive than Shimano's Oil.
@@ArRkDr Royal Blood is just a fancy name for hydraulic fluid, you can find it in auto parts stores
i got magura mt32 4pistons on front and 2 pistons at rear iv have been thinking that same modification. Maybe now i do it.
I still ride it today, very happy with the choice! :)
My Setup - Magura MT5 brakes + Shimano SLX M7100
(+ Shimano Mineral Oil)
I'm happy happy joe joe
Great setup!
Came for the brake stayed for the bike subscribed for the e motor
Hi @VRminde
I ll do this Hack soon with MT5 , i Order SLX M7100 Lever.
I hope it will work like you .
BUt i'm confused about the packaging inside the box of SLX brake lever.
Does it come wilt shimano needle Olive and nuts ?
Hi mate, I changed it back then and never needed to look at it again so I don’t remember 🤷🏻♂️ :)
@@VRMinde thank you .
Why not go for a full shimano setup? Is the magura caliper steonger? Thx
Andrei hi, I can’t compare. I was unhappy with the handles and replaced them. I have heard many experienced riders advocating for the “great magura calipers” though 🙄 They are working great, but I do not have shimano ines to compare myself
@@VRMinde okay. Thanks. Was just curious. I guess the magura brakes came on the bike stock?
Andrei yes. And my hardtail also has magura as stock :)
The magura calipers are much better. The shimanos always have an inconsistent bite point. Shigura is pretty good. But, if you can afford the mt7 with hc3 levers, then that is the best.
@@dukeofmtb i hav m7 with hc3, replacing for xt levers. side cover on m7 fell out but they want me to buy a whole new lever body. no thx :)
I came here to find out if I could mix Magura mineral oil with Shimano .. And if you can, thanks for the video.
I believe you can, I have tried with no big problems. Maybe the best would be to use one of them, not both in one system at the same time 🙄
Magura should have made the brake lever body from Nylon not plastic.. If they want to be cheap
Well, I think it is not just "normal ABS" plastic, it is something a bit better :) But I will never go back to the plastic handles now :)
the standard MT5 levers are a composite. The better upgrade are the aluminium 1-finger HC levers for the MT5 brakes.
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Do you lose modulation by doing this? I just don't know, but it's one thing I love about my Maguras.
It’s been a while now tbh, but back then when I switch it felt on the contrary - more accurate and responsive 🙄
@@VRMinde What setup are you running now?
@@rzozaya1969 I am now still on Shimano. And I would probably not risk it again with the Maguras..
SHIGURA .. hahahaha ..nice name, Thanks for your vid..
I am not the author of it :) but I like it as well. Thanks man!
Just to make upgrade unexpansive. If I buy just Magura mt5 caliper will it work for existing shimano mt200 setup just replacing caliper?
I think it should, but I cannot guarantee it as I have not tried it mate
If at all, go for a better Shimano caliper. like the BR-MT520. My experience with Magura was terrible.
Crazy I did the exact same with my brakes even have the same radon swoop then you
that exact thing happened to my mt7 haha
Doghead 007 I was happy it happened on the last descent on a small local trail and not the next day in Hafjell bike park :))
@@VRMinde hi man I just installed the xt levers. the lever feels very stiff and the bite is almost too instant. what do your levers feel like?
Doghead 007 hi mate. It is hard to express it in words :) For me they do not feel “instant”, but they are way stiffer than magura handles. After two rides I felt like I have accurate control of my brakes. As I had one magura and one slx, Magura felt “spongy”, harder to “predict” where is the bite point. I do not know if that helps :))
Damn those levers are crap, that would drive me nuts, was literally minutes from buying MT5s instead of M8120s for a new Ibis build .. i should just stick with Shimano , my 6yr old M785 single pistons are still excellent and levers have taken some abusive crashes..
Marc I will stay away from MT5s... not because of the performance, but because I like when my brakes do not come in pieces mid-ride :)
@@VRMinde yep already ordered the M8120's for great price ($280 set) from Merlin.. 👍
Which model of olive and insert you use
Giorgos Lymperopoulos Magura hose, shimano needle and olive :) if there are more specific models, I am not aware mate :/
Wow so Shimano mineral oil will work well in maguras?
Oh I would not hesitate putting any mineral oil, as a matter of fact I have used both the red and the blur and even mixed them in half and had no issues with it. I am pretty sure Set (Bermpeak channel) used baby oil for over a year on one of his bikes and it worked just fine 😂
Caliper magura mt4 + Shimano slx top.
Works fine for you?
How an SLX kit (7120 for example) performs? In what aspect the Magura caliper better?
No olive?
Dylan Ivers Why no olive? You must use one
Will the slx 7000 lever work?
it should... why not
Can I ask you some questions about your e bike motor
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Magushi sounds better 😂
It sounds good, agree, but you can’t just use two beginnings of two words 😂
@@VRMinde Gurano. 😈
@@gabiold sounds like we need a contest for the best name 😂
@@VRMinde Okay, my last offer is Gurman.
@@gabiold that will not pass some copyrights for sure 🙄
Its no Plastic
Lil L what is it?
VRMinde carbo texture or stuff like this, its selfmade of magura, normally its a bit More stable, I personally had no Problems yet but i saw many Shimano customs. BUT u cant say nothing about the brake calibers with them 4 pistons them self 🤤
Lil L the calipers are excellent! I just hope they will step it up with the levers as well. And maybe there already are
better ones from Magura, just hard to obtain in the area around here
VRMinde i think the slx magura combo will do well bro👌🏼
@@lill1671 even carbon fiber.is plastic per say ....
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