It's not modulation the thing you didn't like, it's actually brake power. Those brakes had too much power for you. If the brakes didn't have modulation you would have no way to slow down without skidding. To make them less prone to overbrake without changing brakes, I would have just put smaller rotors or changed the pad compound. But Shigura is def a better value proposition.
@@kevinstevenson7389 Hey Kevin, I didn't catch the fact that he meant it ironically. Probably a lot of people didn't either since my comment got a few upvotes. Watching it again, I'm pretty sure he meant it seriously but I could be wrong. Thanks for the snark though.
@@alexisonbike3652 I agree. I'm more in the Shimano camp, I like that instant feel. But the problem he had was the opposite. He panic braked and sent too much braking power to the wheels. If anything he's missing MORE modulation.
1:35 No, you didn't "experience brake modulation", you simply pulled the lever too hard and had your center of gravity in the wrong place for the given time. Brake modulation doesn't mean the relative increase in force that the pistons push out at as you pull the lever further in. The modulation means how much "squish" there is that can be controlled before the wheel locks. And for the rider, brake modulation means the physical ability to be precise with the brakes and being able to control the braking force with your fingers, instead of locking the wheels every time you brake.
This guy gets it. With the right body position you are never going otb from brakes alone with modern geo. Your wheel will lock up and slide well before you flip.
I had the exact same shigura setup, broke a lever and switched back to full magura, used steel braided brake hoses and adjustable Oak root-lever pros... it's a little more expensive, but I like that setup the most so far. You can set it up to have full brake power in like 3mm of lever travel.
While I love your content, I’m a bit confused at your overall objective on this one. You said that in a panic braking scenario, you almost went OTB, so you opted OUT of modulating brakes. The alternative to brake modulation would be an on/off switch, correct? Basically, a light switch vs a dimmer switch. In your case, it doesn’t seem like less modulation should be the solution to your problem. You, or somebody else can explain if I am missing something here, but this seems like the wrong solution.
It's hard to describe feel. But with the Trickstuff brakes, I never really had to pull the brakes that hard before then, so I didn't know the power they truly had. With my new set up, the power is there right away and I feel like I can control it better
@@EvansMTBSaga I gotcha, no worries man! Thanks for the reply and clarification though! Keep doing what you’re doing. I think you’re becoming a favorite MTB RUclipsr among a lot of us.
Nice video. Shigura for the win. Have this setup on 2 of my rigs, (one two pot setup and one four pot setup). I use 9210s on my 4 pots because servowave ftw. It doesn't really matter which calipers you use (get the cheapest ones!), and it doesn't matter which brake fluid or lines you use. Highly recommend bleeding using a syringe on the top side and back-bleeding through the magura calipers for best results. Also, don't connect the caliper to the frame until the bleed is complete so you can get the air pocket that likes to get stuck in there.
@@PanaehaliTut You can try MT5 and Deore Lever, too. Does work well if im not mistaken and isn't pricey at all if you compare it. But after a while of riding Shigura, I actually have to say that I like the feel of the MT5 and the 1 finger lever and the feel of the MT7 with the standard lever a bit better. But both is really good.
@@PanaehaliTut I have tried two pot Shimano levers with two pot magura calipers and found them to be massively more powerful than Shimano calipers. Same for 4 pots. Not sure about crossing 4 pot calipers with 2 pot levers but the author of this fine video seems to prefer this setup.
man i love yo videos, even if youre a small youtuber, you still give in one of top tier content, like you explaining stuff feels rlly easy to understand and it feels relaxing
I bought a set of Magura Mt5 trail sport . The front brake is 4 piston, the rear 2 pistons. Rolled back in 2021, without mountains and steep descents. Regularly serviced, pumped with the original liquid. This year, on the front brake of 4 pistons, one began to climb out more than the others. and pressed the rotor with a skew to the brake housing. I cleaned the pistons, lubricated them, pumped them again-nothing helped-as the pads worked crookedly, it didn't get any better. Rear brake: the pistons come out unevenly - one goes further, and the other lags behind. One pad rubs on the disk, the second is fine. Cleaned, oiled, enough for a few stops, then again one shoe came out. I concluded for myself that all these games with Magura, Formula and others are useless. Shimano works without problems. brakes perfectly, informative. There are no problems with pumping, pads on Aliexpress can be found without problems, as well as spare parts for the brake itself. Why these experiments with crooked brakes?
Brake modulation means you have more control of the braking power, pulling lightly will give weak braking, pulling hard will give hard braking, a braking system with good modulation is what most riders are looking for although there are some riders who prefer a harder bite with less modulation like the Shimano XT brakes
@@BuildTheSandbox beats the heck out of me lol, maybe weak fingers? the biggest problem with grabby brakes is its too easy to lock the front wheel if you decide to use any front brake while cornering which always results in a crash, bad recipe for novice riders
@@MTBfixHQ yep. More modulation equals less lockups. Unless you have your brakes sooo weak you can't lock em up. Which technically means you're underbraked
@@curtislavoie2242 You can pull the lever harder with no movement or you can have more movement supplying the increase in force that the pads deliver. If you get neither of these then you have no modulation. That's the on/off that people have mentioned here.
Leverage curve and curve in the lever are not the same concept. A leverage curve is in reference the force, depicted by an x/y graph. A curve in the lever is a bend in the piece of metal. I have a similar setup on the way but using saint levers (edited because I misspelled depicted)
Magura makes a model called the mt thirty for $96, which has the same caliper as the mt7. Not only that but it comes with the performance pads. Best value for upgrading your 2 pot shimanos imo.
Adam you made the video with your comment (again!) I feel like you've given me so many great ideas for the channel, so thank you very much dude. As for the caliper, I wanted that gun metal grey to match the XTR 😍
I had to like your post and give you a comment. I have the MT Thrity's on one of my bikes with 180 mm rotors front and rear. Love them. I don't think a lot of people know about them since they are not listed on Magura's website. Boy do they work like crazy though.. Adding a good Shimano lever to them would only make them better and save some $$$, which is a great thing right now.
I made a set of "sramano" brakes. I used Shimano BL-M6100 levers and a set of sram DB8 calipers. Wicked powerful and cheap ! Mix and match for the win! If you have these parts ( any shimano levers will do).
In my experience with shigura they were more powerful than shimano saints and hope v4/e4. The magura calliper improved modulation and they felt less on off. Also cheaper to set up than it would be to buy a set of 4 pot xts, after selling the magura levers.
@@rareshamburda8120 well in my experience the shigura set up has great modulation and you can actually feather the brakes. Much prefer them over TRP g spec, hopes etc
Excellent video. Love how the ad doesn't interrupt the content using PIP. Great 80s electronic music. I too run Shigura but to a lesser extent of Frankensteinism (Deore XT brake levers/calipers with Magura Storm SL.2 rotors.
Ive been running shiguras for like 5 years now. Still havent found anything to make me want to swap away from it. MT5 calipers, XT non servo levers, and MTX braking gold pads. cant beat it. I bought the XT levers as used take offs, and I got the calipers used off pinkbike. All in im in it like a few hundred bucks
Man, I love this video. Doing the Frankenstein/experimental stuff is SUPER interesting. Evan, you need to consider this as a regular/semi-regular series. I'm a bike tinkerer and always trying stuff out, the internet is often a place where people share opinions as fact with no real basis in actual facts. I've got so many ideas of things like this that I would like to try!
@@byp4ss514 It isn't, but it is a Frankenstein set-up.The reality is that there are more opinions on the internet than actual lived experience with things like this, so it's good to watch someone do it with such quality and entertainment.
it might be just on me but i've blown up 2 xt brake levers on my set. I switched to zee levers and its working perfectly for half the price of the xt levers. Its just some personal experience
I've been running MT5 callipers and Deore levers for a few years on my dh bike and they are awesome. I put Saint's on my ebike last July and the pistons have failed on them already so the calipers will be getting swapped for Magura's.
I think you have Servowave misunderstood, it doesn't have anything to do with the lever, and it also doesn't multiply the braking force. It's simply a roller "wheel" that pushes the piston in the master cylinder, which alters the speed and leverage of the pistons throughout the travel of the lever relative to it, instead of the lever just pushing the piston directly like on non-SW levers.
I essentially copied the description of Servowave on the Shimano website (it was a very poor description I thought). I saw it makes the lever feel lighter off the top which is cool 😎
4:12 did i see that correct you put a magura thingi (i dont know whats in English called) in a Shimano lever? and then you wondering why you lever is leaking
I'm going to put sragura on my build bike. I like the modulation feel of sram lever and easy pad replacement of the magura caliper. I just dont like the magura's lack of serviceability to replace the caliper.
Mixing Shimano levers and Magura calipers is actually so 2000-s. I remember times when Magura Marta SL levers used to start leaking after some time and Shimano levers were quite bombproof and at first was experimenting just for fun. And it really worked. The modulation and braking power was totally something else.
On my Xtrada 6 I only kept the stock calipers and upgraded my levers and I can feel a very big difference (I can do endos with only 1 finger even with a 160mm rotor)
@@mudkayak6305 i used stock calipers with upgraded levers on my xtrada 6 and work like a charm watch this video ruclips.net/video/rK0xOTkBPmQ/видео.html
I run a saint lever and calliper up the front and a saint lever and Magura mt5 calliper on the rear, the saint comes on harder with not much effort and the Shagura offers more control through the bite point to assist with front break when needed. I could ride saint on the back also but I quite enjoi the feeling of the setup and seems to hold more logic for me having a powerful brake up the front and one to assist on the rear, most people burn their brakes because they don't realise that the back brake is for assistance and your main power comes from the front.
The rear rotor gives less power and heats up faster, I use 220mm Galfer rotors after swapping form Magura MDRP and I like them a bit more, the magura's were great but got loud after a season due to the rivets.@@or-ian6973
@@EvansMTBSaga i am not a fan of plastic on brakes. But the plastic on the XTR M9000, some of the cheaper shifter could not handle the rapid temp reduction I guess as plastic cracked when I took it in sub zero temps, Xtr had strong carbon reinforced plastic. But those were one was acera 8 speed. So did not fail. The carbon downshift lever did well on impact too, did not fail. Got scraped up but was fine. So I suspect the brake lever can be quite robust too. So I suspect these might have that or metal part. But would not surprise me if it is plastic too.
For my Shigura I used brake levers Shimano Zee, Magura MT5-eStop calipers, special pads with KEVLAR and biggest Magura MDR-P rotors 220 front / 203 back. Reducing speed with KEVLAR pads is safer. The original pads also stop, but with them the chance of blocking the rear wheel is much higher.
@@EvansMTBSaga I'm using DBP-65E pads on my MT5-eStop calipers. For MT7 you may be need DBP-60E pads. And yes - with the new pads the noise also decreases.
I am driving shigura for a season and they are the best. I used MT5 I bough for 90eur each, I didnt like the 2 finger levers so i changed them for shimano SLX brake levers a bought for ca 35each, Total Cost 250Eur , Shigura for maximum braking POWER
Man i love the new camera set up on the bike! Keep it up man I remember when you were at 7k subscribers and now your at almost 50k. So proud man, keep going! 👍
I have shamino brakes and they are crazy good for me. I bike everywhere and when I go down a black hill when it’s super dry and sometimes wet and shamino brakes work crazy good if u have a downhill bike or if u bike downhill, cross country and every thing els I recommend these brakes if u live in a country where there are steep hils
hi Evans. im from chile, and i writting you to talk about particulary from this video. to have some answer, to left clear obviously. in fact, you got points with the bleeding using with bionol. but the use off that shimano XTR lever are for recreational use, because that handle you used is very light, and again i give you points for do this kind of video, for those don't know this kind of brakes. but for other riders, make this combination requir more than a a few bucks to buying this things. for other side, but for those riders who do enduro or Trail, and prefeer more brake power ... the Magura MT5 Caliper, and shimano ZEE Lever , Deore, SLX levers are the exact lever to use it. for who do Enduro and downhill, Magura MT7 with Shimano Saint Levers are the key, both are made to resist elevate presure. so much the brake caliper like the brake lever. other thing to have clear, i don't recomend the magura hose... personally i choose use Shimano hose, cause the shimano hose are more stronger in case off impact o fall. all of this using Magura Discs, Magura MDR-C or the MDR-P both for E-bikes. if someone want's to use MT7 and Deore XT to combine, must have the aluminum pump for taht lever, because the Deore XT lever filters oil, by pressing it, the preasure made in the brake chamber (i have that problem). but evans let me tell you that it is a great video, also you took weight off the bike, which makes it faster when going down the trails. and sorry, my english is not so fluent... google helped me LOL
You're riding in my back yard. I've been playing with my TRP G Spec Trails but just can't get the feel I want. How would you compare this to Saint calipers?
Awesome video! You have me sold on the Magura., been using SLX Shimano but I am a big boy so some extra stopping power would be great. I have to ask as well, what do people do for mountain biking in Phoenix during the summer heat wave? I took up MTB in the fall so this is more first summer, and right now at 111 . . . that's just a hard pass for me.
Are the 'banjo bolts', where the hose bolts to the caliper, interchangeable between Shimano and Magura? I have Shimano XT levers, calipers and hoses already on the bike, and have some Magura 4-piston calipers ready to install. So if the thread size is the same it makes sense to just unbolt the hoses from the XT calipers and bolt the hose to the 4-piston Magura's. Will this work? Thanks.
yeah SRAM rotor, Shimano lever, Magura caliper, Trickstuff fluid hahahah. And it's been several months since and I finally had an issue where I had to clean my pistons cuz they had some stiction. Other than that, best brakes I've ever owned and just ordered another set
Dude you forgot one of the best must to have part with shigura and that is magura 203mm rotor. You cant imagine what a new life is it. Thats real shigura brake feel. And actualy xt is better lever than xtr (try it) thats a fact.
I like this video. Nice work. I have to ask: When did you order and receive your Trickstuff brakes? I ordered a set back in May 2019. Still have not received them. Thanks in advance for the reply!
Man I have been watching you’re vids for a while and you have improved to making some of the best quality films I have seen in a while. I love you’re honesty and experiments, keep up the great work.
This is done frequently in Denmark. They are using the Shimano cables. Why? The internal diameter of the Shimano is smaller, and more suited to the smaller Shimano reservoir. Also means easier bleeding.
Its interesting that he used a Magura barb especially considering the shape is so different than the Shimano barbs. The forums suggest using Shimano barbs. It must work fine. I learn something every day, right 👍
the easiest and cheapest way to get that on off feal is to just get a set of magura mt7 with the hc3 lever blades and set them the most towards the grabby setting and then slowly back off to get the modulation you want from the brakes. that is what I did and I have never felt any better feeling brakes.
Hi after the conversion did you have very little to no freestroke? and good modulation? Im looking at possibly doing the conversion and im looking for no freestroke?
Yeah very little free stroke just how I like it. The brakes then have a really strong on off bite. Strong stopping power that you can modulate with your finger
LOL, on Wednesday I was looking for parts to upgrade my brakes (2022 Polygon Siskiu T8). I thought "I wonder if Evans has a preferred since we ride a lot of the same stuff" (I live very close to you). I tried to find a way to contact you directly, but did not see a easy way and with Seths recent video about all the questions he gets I decided to just go for broke and order some stuff on my own. I just installed new brakes on my bike 2 hours before posting this. I seated the brakes in the driveway, loaded up my bike for a Prescott ride in the morning, and sat down to drink a beer before bed. I turn on my computer and what comes up....... LOL, really. Oh well.... now lets watch the vid.
I can't with these XTR Levers, but I'm already planning on another set of Shigura using Deore XT and the Flo Motorsport Levers. They are amazing Lever blades and I highly recommend them
I have SRAM guide 4 pot on front and level 2 pot on rear with level ultimate levers on trail bike, enduro is guide ultimate front and rear. Both with Brembro dot 5 fluid from my race car with a boiling point if over 650 in each. Never had any issues with either and the modulate just fine even when it has been over 95f this whole week of riding.
Shiguras came about because so many folk were breaking Magura levers and new Shimano one's were cheaper and available. I believe a lot of the problems with levers are sorted now. I know folk that have been running them for years and love them .
Yeah gotta search forums. This video was one of the first on Shigura (there were others before me of course). With a MTB caliper, you'd for sure need an adapter for the fork and frame cuz the flat mount caliper bolts are closer together
Hello Evan, I just recently started watching the channel and am interested in the tool that you use to cut your brake hoses. If you could tell me what it is, that would be great. Thanks
best price combo is the Shimano Zee levers with the MT5 Calipers. Zee is the same power as the saint and the MT 5 calipers are the same as the MT 7s. You can get a realy powerful set of brakes for a small price.
It's not modulation the thing you didn't like, it's actually brake power. Those brakes had too much power for you. If the brakes didn't have modulation you would have no way to slow down without skidding. To make them less prone to overbrake without changing brakes, I would have just put smaller rotors or changed the pad compound. But Shigura is def a better value proposition.
Here, I thought sarcasm was only lost on dogs and little kids....
@@kevinstevenson7389 Hey Kevin, I didn't catch the fact that he meant it ironically. Probably a lot of people didn't either since my comment got a few upvotes. Watching it again, I'm pretty sure he meant it seriously but I could be wrong.
Thanks for the snark though.
Some people prefer the on/off feeling instead of modulation
@@alexisonbike3652 I agree. I'm more in the Shimano camp, I like that instant feel. But the problem he had was the opposite. He panic braked and sent too much braking power to the wheels. If anything he's missing MORE modulation.
I agree. I had to downsize my front rotors to 180 on my Enduro for this reason
1:35
No, you didn't "experience brake modulation", you simply pulled the lever too hard and had your center of gravity in the wrong place for the given time. Brake modulation doesn't mean the relative increase in force that the pistons push out at as you pull the lever further in. The modulation means how much "squish" there is that can be controlled before the wheel locks. And for the rider, brake modulation means the physical ability to be precise with the brakes and being able to control the braking force with your fingers, instead of locking the wheels every time you brake.
Someone understands
This guy gets it.
With the right body position you are never going otb from brakes alone with modern geo. Your wheel will lock up and slide well before you flip.
THANK YOU i thought i was alone!
@@brianharris4144 exactly, i can lean back and slam front and back brakes and just slide without going OTB
dude u are speaking fax
I had the exact same shigura setup, broke a lever and switched back to full magura, used steel braided brake hoses and adjustable Oak root-lever pros... it's a little more expensive, but I like that setup the most so far. You can set it up to have full brake power in like 3mm of lever travel.
While I love your content, I’m a bit confused at your overall objective on this one.
You said that in a panic braking scenario, you almost went OTB, so you opted OUT of modulating brakes. The alternative to brake modulation would be an on/off switch, correct? Basically, a light switch vs a dimmer switch.
In your case, it doesn’t seem like less modulation should be the solution to your problem. You, or somebody else can explain if I am missing something here, but this seems like the wrong solution.
It's hard to describe feel. But with the Trickstuff brakes, I never really had to pull the brakes that hard before then, so I didn't know the power they truly had. With my new set up, the power is there right away and I feel like I can control it better
@@EvansMTBSaga ok, so you would say that this new setup feels more predictable then? In that sense, I totally get it.
@@jtrider3779 Yes absolutely. Glad we could work through that haha. Its hard covering all the right things to say in a video sometimes.
@@EvansMTBSaga I gotcha, no worries man! Thanks for the reply and clarification though!
Keep doing what you’re doing. I think you’re becoming a favorite MTB RUclipsr among a lot of us.
@@EvansMTBSaga try hope tech brakes
Nice video. Shigura for the win. Have this setup on 2 of my rigs, (one two pot setup and one four pot setup). I use 9210s on my 4 pots because servowave ftw. It doesn't really matter which calipers you use (get the cheapest ones!), and it doesn't matter which brake fluid or lines you use. Highly recommend bleeding using a syringe on the top side and back-bleeding through the magura calipers for best results. Also, don't connect the caliper to the frame until the bleed is complete so you can get the air pocket that likes to get stuck in there.
Do you mean you can use any magura calipers for this and would work as well? Im curious to try but the price sets me off )
@@PanaehaliTut technically yes
@@PanaehaliTut
Just buy a set of mt5s + m8120 xt levers and sell the unused new mt5 levers.
@@PanaehaliTut You can try MT5 and Deore Lever, too. Does work well if im not mistaken and isn't pricey at all if you compare it. But after a while of riding Shigura, I actually have to say that I like the feel of the MT5 and the 1 finger lever and the feel of the MT7 with the standard lever a bit better. But both is really good.
@@PanaehaliTut I have tried two pot Shimano levers with two pot magura calipers and found them to be massively more powerful than Shimano calipers. Same for 4 pots. Not sure about crossing 4 pot calipers with 2 pot levers but the author of this fine video seems to prefer this setup.
man i love yo videos, even if youre a small youtuber, you still give in one of top tier content, like you explaining stuff feels rlly easy to understand and it feels relaxing
That's the proper way to naturally grow subscription, in my view!
I bought a set of Magura Mt5 trail sport . The front brake is 4 piston, the rear 2 pistons. Rolled back in 2021, without mountains and steep descents. Regularly serviced, pumped with the original liquid. This year, on the front brake of 4 pistons, one began to climb out more than the others. and pressed the rotor with a skew to the brake housing. I cleaned the pistons, lubricated them, pumped them again-nothing helped-as the pads worked crookedly, it didn't get any better.
Rear brake: the pistons come out unevenly - one goes further, and the other lags behind. One pad rubs on the disk, the second is fine. Cleaned, oiled, enough for a few stops, then again one shoe came out.
I concluded for myself that all these games with Magura, Formula and others are useless. Shimano works without problems. brakes perfectly, informative. There are no problems with pumping, pads on Aliexpress can be found without problems, as well as spare parts for the brake itself. Why these experiments with crooked brakes?
I'm late to the party but which rotors were you using? Magura calipers need 2mm rotors.
@@1234Hankers The rotors are Shimano from the Dior series. Do you think the difference of 0.2 mm will greatly affect something? No.
Brake modulation means you have more control of the braking power, pulling lightly will give weak braking, pulling hard will give hard braking, a braking system with good modulation is what most riders are looking for although there are some riders who prefer a harder bite with less modulation like the Shimano XT brakes
Modulation is where it's at. I don't see the benefit of having an on off brake switch.
Yes and servowave is the opposite of modulation. Its entire purpose is to quickly ramp up power.
@@BuildTheSandbox beats the heck out of me lol, maybe weak fingers? the biggest problem with grabby brakes is its too easy to lock the front wheel if you decide to use any front brake while cornering which always results in a crash, bad recipe for novice riders
@@tylerbruce5731 no that's still modulation. Just a mechanical assist.
@@MTBfixHQ yep. More modulation equals less lockups. Unless you have your brakes sooo weak you can't lock em up. Which technically means you're underbraked
I think it’s funny how a little over a year ago he was a first time mountain biker and now he has one of the nicest bikes on the platform.
Haha it is funny. The trail I was riding in the video was the first trail system that I rode too and it's definitely not as fun with such a fancy bike
He's waaay overbiked
That’s all he does, his parts surpassed his ability to ride…He could probably get away with a Walmart bike and tunes up🥴💀
The harder you pull the lever the more braking power you get is exactly how brakes are supposed to work....
Not necessarily
@@aaroncampbell1617 but thats how it works doe
@@aaroncampbell1617 please enlighten me then.
@@aaroncampbell1617 oh my sweet summer child...
@@curtislavoie2242 You can pull the lever harder with no movement or you can have more movement supplying the increase in force that the pads deliver. If you get neither of these then you have no modulation. That's the on/off that people have mentioned here.
Leverage curve and curve in the lever are not the same concept. A leverage curve is in reference the force, depicted by an x/y graph. A curve in the lever is a bend in the piece of metal. I have a similar setup on the way but using saint levers (edited because I misspelled depicted)
Magura makes a model called the mt thirty for $96, which has the same caliper as the mt7. Not only that but it comes with the performance pads. Best value for upgrading your 2 pot shimanos imo.
I have the MT Thirty and they are very solid
@@robertobravi5426 this man knows what's up
Adam you made the video with your comment (again!) I feel like you've given me so many great ideas for the channel, so thank you very much dude. As for the caliper, I wanted that gun metal grey to match the XTR 😍
@@EvansMTBSaga of course, glad to be of service! The gray with thr xtr lever and mt7 caliper looks sick!
I had to like your post and give you a comment. I have the MT Thrity's on one of my bikes with 180 mm rotors front and rear. Love them. I don't think a lot of people know about them since they are not listed on Magura's website. Boy do they work like crazy though.. Adding a good Shimano lever to them would only make them better and save some $$$, which is a great thing right now.
I made a set of "sramano" brakes. I used Shimano BL-M6100 levers and a set of sram DB8 calipers. Wicked powerful and cheap ! Mix and match for the win! If you have these parts ( any shimano levers will do).
Are they better than pure Shimano, SRAM, Shigura or just an experiment?
In my experience with shigura they were more powerful than shimano saints and hope v4/e4. The magura calliper improved modulation and they felt less on off. Also cheaper to set up than it would be to buy a set of 4 pot xts, after selling the magura levers.
he said he didn't like the modulation tho?
@@rareshamburda8120 well in my experience the shigura set up has great modulation and you can actually feather the brakes. Much prefer them over TRP g spec, hopes etc
modulation s*cks. when you're a type of rider that dont want to hold the lever all the time.
cause it a little delay when you sudden brake.
@@ancogbernard I need modulation if I'm riding wet techy steeps.
Great video Evans. I love the tool you use to push the inserts into the hose or to cut it. Do you have any link to it? Thanks Thiago.
I’d like to know too
Excellent video. Love how the ad doesn't interrupt the content using PIP. Great 80s electronic music. I too run Shigura but to a lesser extent of Frankensteinism (Deore XT brake levers/calipers with Magura Storm SL.2 rotors.
That's just Shimano with Magura rotors. Shigura is literally only when you connect Magura brake caliper with Shimano master cylinder.
that had to have been the hardest "keep your face straight for an ad" i've ever seen well done.
😂
nice video man, seeing it from brazil and i want to se more crazy things like these
Ive been running shiguras for like 5 years now. Still havent found anything to make me want to swap away from it. MT5 calipers, XT non servo levers, and MTX braking gold pads. cant beat it. I bought the XT levers as used take offs, and I got the calipers used off pinkbike. All in im in it like a few hundred bucks
Man, I love this video. Doing the Frankenstein/experimental stuff is SUPER interesting. Evan, you need to consider this as a regular/semi-regular series. I'm a bike tinkerer and always trying stuff out, the internet is often a place where people share opinions as fact with no real basis in actual facts. I've got so many ideas of things like this that I would like to try!
Shigura isn’t a very niche thing
@@byp4ss514 It isn't, but it is a Frankenstein set-up.The reality is that there are more opinions on the internet than actual lived experience with things like this, so it's good to watch someone do it with such quality and entertainment.
Yep. Panic breaking is deadly. First set of 4 pots, caused me to lock up the front several times. I’m still at risk when instinct takes over.
hey Evan just wondering where did you get the tool use use to cut the brake housing and to push in the barbs?
it might be just on me but i've blown up 2 xt brake levers on my set. I switched to zee levers and its working perfectly for half the price of the xt levers. Its just some personal experience
Might try this, thanks!
I'm a huge fan of the on-off feel of Shimano too!
Can I use for shigura a xtr m9000 and a mt7 ?
Yup you sure can!
I've been running MT5 callipers and Deore levers for a few years on my dh bike and they are awesome. I put Saint's on my ebike last July and the pistons have failed on them already so the calipers will be getting swapped for Magura's.
Which Deore levers you have? M6100?
I think you have Servowave misunderstood, it doesn't have anything to do with the lever, and it also doesn't multiply the braking force. It's simply a roller "wheel" that pushes the piston in the master cylinder, which alters the speed and leverage of the pistons throughout the travel of the lever relative to it, instead of the lever just pushing the piston directly like on non-SW levers.
I essentially copied the description of Servowave on the Shimano website (it was a very poor description I thought). I saw it makes the lever feel lighter off the top which is cool 😎
@@EvansMTBSaga Thanks for the nice reply, some people might've gotten mad because I kind of corrected you. The video was nice though.
4:12 did i see that correct you put a magura thingi (i dont know whats in English called) in a Shimano lever? and then you wondering why you lever is leaking
I'm going to put sragura on my build bike. I like the modulation feel of sram lever and easy pad replacement of the magura caliper. I just dont like the magura's lack of serviceability to replace the caliper.
dont forget to replace the seals that play nice with mineral oil in the levers
Mixing Shimano levers and Magura calipers is actually so 2000-s. I remember times when Magura Marta SL levers used to start leaking after some time and Shimano levers were quite bombproof and at first was experimenting just for fun. And it really worked. The modulation and braking power was totally something else.
I don't know where you buy parts but all the shops i buy from sell levers and calipers separately. It costs 320-350€ for two levers and calipers.
Can you use a Shimano hose and fit it into the Magura caliper? Is it the same banjo in the hose for the Magura hose and Shimano?
Nice..I also mix my cheap zoom brake caliper with tektro lever and the result is amazing...more powerful stopping power..
Very cool bike hack! I didn't know about that
6:22 may i ask for the music title?
On my Xtrada 6 I only kept the stock calipers and upgraded my levers and I can feel a very big difference (I can do endos with only 1 finger even with a 160mm rotor)
what are the stock calps and what did you upgrade levers?
@@mudkayak6305 i used stock calipers with upgraded levers on my xtrada 6 and work like a charm watch this video
ruclips.net/video/rK0xOTkBPmQ/видео.html
Watching these vids always reminds me how blessed I am to have a place like TN to ride
I'll visit there soon! I live in Bentonville now.
@@EvansMTBSaga I bet you’re loving it compared to riding in the desert
Whats your nice brake hose cutter and barb setter tool, looks like it works awesome
I run a saint lever and calliper up the front and a saint lever and Magura mt5 calliper on the rear, the saint comes on harder with not much effort and the Shagura offers more control through the bite point to assist with front break when needed. I could ride saint on the back also but I quite enjoi the feeling of the setup and seems to hold more logic for me having a powerful brake up the front and one to assist on the rear, most people burn their brakes because they don't realise that the back brake is for assistance and your main power comes from the front.
Could have just switched to a smaller rear rotor
The rear rotor gives less power and heats up faster, I use 220mm Galfer rotors after swapping form Magura MDRP and I like them a bit more, the magura's were great but got loud after a season due to the rivets.@@or-ian6973
Nice video. You actually like modulation and dislike mechanical servo advantage. I know what you were trying to say though.
Love the longer riding segment
05:04 Is the round part plastic like Deore, SLX?
I can't remember what material it was.
@@EvansMTBSaga i am not a fan of plastic on brakes. But the plastic on the XTR M9000, some of the cheaper shifter could not handle the rapid temp reduction I guess as plastic cracked when I took it in sub zero temps, Xtr had strong carbon reinforced plastic. But those were one was acera 8 speed. So did not fail. The carbon downshift lever did well on impact too, did not fail. Got scraped up but was fine. So I suspect the brake lever can be quite robust too. So I suspect these might have that or metal part. But would not surprise me if it is plastic too.
For my Shigura I used brake levers Shimano Zee, Magura MT5-eStop calipers, special pads with KEVLAR and biggest Magura MDR-P rotors 220 front / 203 back. Reducing speed with KEVLAR pads is safer. The original pads also stop, but with them the chance of blocking the rear wheel is much higher.
Yeah I already want different pads! The stock ones make bad noises haha
@@EvansMTBSaga I'm using DBP-65E pads on my MT5-eStop calipers. For MT7 you may be need DBP-60E pads. And yes - with the new pads the noise also decreases.
I am driving shigura for a season and they are the best. I used MT5 I bough for 90eur each, I didnt like the 2 finger levers so i changed them for shimano SLX brake levers a bought for ca 35each, Total Cost 250Eur , Shigura for maximum braking POWER
Man i love the new camera set up on the bike! Keep it up man I remember when you were at 7k subscribers and now your at almost 50k. So proud man, keep going! 👍
What's the shelf life of the Trickstuff Bionol hydraulic fluid? Is it also hydrophobic like the Shimano hydraulic mineral oil?
I have shamino brakes and they are crazy good for me. I bike everywhere and when I go down a black hill when it’s super dry and sometimes wet and shamino brakes work crazy good if u have a downhill bike or if u bike downhill, cross country and every thing els I recommend these brakes if u live in a country where there are steep hils
Never heard of this till now, but I have used Shimano Brakes and Magura rotors before. Works good 👍🏻
Massive fan of your videdos! Keep up the good work!
I really don’t understand why people think Shimano breaks don’t have modulation… I have XT8100 and can precisely control my stopping power.
Is it on purpose and/or necessary that you took the 2 piston Shimano Levers (BL-M9100) for the 4 piston Magura calipers?
Yes, I read online that it was better, but it's been too long that I don't remember the exact reason
It worth it! I use shigura for extreme freeride and DH 🤷🏻♂️ MT7 and SLX with Flo motrsport levers🤔 it's just perfect for me!
I love the Flo levers. They won't work on the XTR 9100 though 😂
@@EvansMTBSaga that's so sad😭 I love them too and by the way, thank you, I discovered them by your videos!
This is the best review for shigura so far.
hi Evans.
im from chile, and i writting you to talk about particulary from this video.
to have some answer, to left clear obviously.
in fact, you got points with the bleeding using with bionol.
but the use off that shimano XTR lever are for recreational use, because that handle you used is very light, and again i give you points for do this kind of video, for those don't know this kind of brakes.
but for other riders, make this combination requir more than a a few bucks to buying this things.
for other side, but for those riders who do enduro or Trail, and prefeer more brake power ...
the Magura MT5 Caliper, and shimano ZEE Lever , Deore, SLX levers are the exact lever to use it.
for who do Enduro and downhill, Magura MT7 with Shimano Saint Levers are the key,
both are made to resist elevate presure. so much the brake caliper like the brake lever.
other thing to have clear, i don't recomend the magura hose... personally i choose use Shimano hose, cause
the shimano hose are more stronger in case off impact o fall.
all of this using Magura Discs, Magura MDR-C or the MDR-P both for E-bikes.
if someone want's to use MT7 and Deore XT to combine, must have the aluminum pump for taht lever,
because the Deore XT lever filters oil, by pressing it, the preasure made in the brake chamber (i have that problem).
but evans let me tell you that it is a great video, also you took weight off the bike, which makes it faster when going down the trails.
and sorry, my english is not so fluent... google helped me LOL
Good job Evan's getting sponsors, he's spent like $2000 on brakes in one month!
any info on the bars that are being used.
Playing ads during the labor montage is genius. Let's us keep enjoying the video while also forcing the ad on us haha
i like that the content didn't stop for the plug ... side by side was amazing !!
You're riding in my back yard.
I've been playing with my TRP G Spec Trails but just can't get the feel I want. How would you compare this to Saint calipers?
Awesome video! You have me sold on the Magura., been using SLX Shimano but I am a big boy so some extra stopping power would be great. I have to ask as well, what do people do for mountain biking in Phoenix during the summer heat wave? I took up MTB in the fall so this is more first summer, and right now at 111 . . . that's just a hard pass for me.
Haha mainly just stay inside or go on road trips all summer
You have to go at sunrise to beat the heat. Thats what we do here in the summer in israel
I am a big boy too and was suffering from braking power and fading. it was a game-changing solution for me 220 mm Magura rotors. Highly recommend it.
Are the 'banjo bolts', where the hose bolts to the caliper, interchangeable between Shimano and Magura? I have Shimano XT levers, calipers and hoses already on the bike, and have some Magura 4-piston calipers ready to install. So if the thread size is the same it makes sense to just unbolt the hoses from the XT calipers and bolt the hose to the 4-piston Magura's. Will this work? Thanks.
Nope! And to buy new ones costs a fortune
You did yourself a disservice by not just running the Magura MT7 master/levers. They're brilliant. You would have been perfectly happy with them.
I like your channel so much that I subscribed after two videos
What do you use to clean your Brake from the oil
did you also used a sram Rotor? that is almost like the perfect Frankensteinbrakes
yeah SRAM rotor, Shimano lever, Magura caliper, Trickstuff fluid hahahah. And it's been several months since and I finally had an issue where I had to clean my pistons cuz they had some stiction. Other than that, best brakes I've ever owned and just ordered another set
evan channel is grown like crazy man gj
Thanks dude!
Wich are easier to install, hydraulic or cable actuated disc brakes
Dude you forgot one of the best must to have part with shigura and that is magura 203mm rotor. You cant imagine what a new life is it.
Thats real shigura brake feel. And actualy xt is better lever than xtr (try it) thats a fact.
Finally someone who found the way to keep me watching an ad.
Haha glad I figured it out! I've tried a bunch of different ways
Great way to share the sponsorship for the video
Thanks man! I like it too
I like this video. Nice work.
I have to ask:
When did you order and receive your Trickstuff brakes?
I ordered a set back in May 2019. Still have not received them.
Thanks in advance for the reply!
did you sell the megura leavers?
Man I have been watching you’re vids for a while and you have improved to making some of the best quality films I have seen in a while. I love you’re honesty and experiments, keep up the great work.
@EvansMTBSaga where did you buy that hose cutter? I can't find it online.
I used slx levers with mt 7 calipers and i love it. Only would recommend xt levers but slx is ok
why would you choose xt over slx?
where did you get them bars from thx.
This is done frequently in Denmark. They are using the Shimano cables. Why? The internal diameter of the Shimano is smaller, and more suited to the smaller Shimano reservoir. Also means easier bleeding.
WHICH OLIVE AND INSERT DID YOU USE?
Can you send the link?
Its interesting that he used a Magura barb especially considering the shape is so different than the Shimano barbs. The forums suggest using Shimano barbs. It must work fine. I learn something every day, right 👍
Thank you for the way you did the sponsor message. Loved the way you worked on the other half of the screen! 🤘
the easiest and cheapest way to get that on off feal is to just get a set of magura mt7 with the hc3 lever blades and set them the most towards the grabby setting and then slowly back off to get the modulation you want from the brakes. that is what I did and I have never felt any better feeling brakes.
Hi after the conversion did you have very little to no freestroke? and good modulation?
Im looking at possibly doing the conversion and im looking for no freestroke?
Yeah very little free stroke just how I like it. The brakes then have a really strong on off bite. Strong stopping power that you can modulate with your finger
Would like to ask why you chose the m9100 non servo? It is more better and more powerful setup other than m9120 with servo wave?
I'm not sure exactly why. I read it on a forum. Google search "Shigura mtbr" and there's a huge thread all about the set up
Race levers feel way better than the Trail levers
Brake modulation is the way to go. I don't always need the same amount of stopping power so being able to control it is best for me.
LOL, on Wednesday I was looking for parts to upgrade my brakes (2022 Polygon Siskiu T8). I thought "I wonder if Evans has a preferred since we ride a lot of the same stuff" (I live very close to you). I tried to find a way to contact you directly, but did not see a easy way and with Seths recent video about all the questions he gets I decided to just go for broke and order some stuff on my own. I just installed new brakes on my bike 2 hours before posting this. I seated the brakes in the driveway, loaded up my bike for a Prescott ride in the morning, and sat down to drink a beer before bed. I turn on my computer and what comes up....... LOL, really. Oh well.... now lets watch the vid.
Shoot me an email man, I'm down for a new riding partner evansmtbsaga@gmail.com
Great vid as always, thank you. Gotta say that is a bit more then I am willing to spend on brakes, but still great information.
You know you live somewhere too hot when Vegas in the summer is where you cool off.
as a fellow magura sponsor, i approve of this message.
Would you by any chance try the flo motor sports levers with this shigura setup?
I can't with these XTR Levers, but I'm already planning on another set of Shigura using Deore XT and the Flo Motorsport Levers. They are amazing Lever blades and I highly recommend them
@@EvansMTBSaga Ohh man I can't WAIT ! Right on with the s3xy carbon levers. Side note are you still enjoying the shiguras?
Yeah I love them! I think that's my new brake combo for all future builds.
I have SRAM guide 4 pot on front and level 2 pot on rear with level ultimate levers on trail bike, enduro is guide ultimate front and rear. Both with Brembro dot 5 fluid from my race car with a boiling point if over 650 in each. Never had any issues with either and the modulate just fine even when it has been over 95f this whole week of riding.
What's the steering bar on your bike?
i'm not seeing reach and bite point adjusters on those levers... am I missing something???
Shiguras came about because so many folk were breaking Magura levers and new Shimano one's were cheaper and available.
I believe a lot of the problems with levers are sorted now.
I know folk that have been running them for years and love them .
idk, they're still making them out of plastic, for the most part at least
what kind of brake hose cutter is that?
Is that a tripod mounted to your top tube? Seems smart
This guy should have way more attention!
Ok. What about Magura and ultegra? I have heard of people mixing road levers and mtn calipers, but I cant find videos on it.
Yeah gotta search forums. This video was one of the first on Shigura (there were others before me of course). With a MTB caliper, you'd for sure need an adapter for the fork and frame cuz the flat mount caliper bolts are closer together
Hi , good video, tnx. just few infos: Cable Magura 2.2 ? pin Shimano BH-90 or BH-59 ? Ciao
I used BH59 barbs to fit in the Magura hose better. The BH90 were too loose in my opinion
Hello Evan, I just recently started watching the channel and am interested in the tool that you use to cut your brake hoses. If you could tell me what it is, that would be great. Thanks
Great video as always! What's the name of the tool you used to cut brake hoses and press the nips and olives?
does the shigura work with MT5 magura brakes and slx shimano levers?, bc I see everyone doing it with MT7 and XT or XTR levers
best price combo is the Shimano Zee levers with the MT5 Calipers. Zee is the same power as the saint and the MT 5 calipers are the same as the MT 7s. You can get a realy powerful set of brakes for a small price.
I have a cheap Shimano MT200 lever and Magura MT5 and MT4 calipers. Does this only work on the high end stuff or entry level as well?
Mt200 wouldn't work well with it. It's an underpowered lever