Consider BP of Valor and Leg plates of valor to get 4 piece set bonus of 200 armor and 40+ attack power (as alternatives). More sta and armor and attack power than your current set up. A big loss of crit for sure, though. But I make up for it by replacing black stone ring with magni’s will. I’m hit capped at 5-6% though. I’d love to send you my set up for a rating to see what you think. Not much MC available right now, but I did manage an OEB. Also, if you got a riphook while farming black crow, KEEP it. If you get hit capped, it’s a better slot for overall dps than a +hit bow. Great vid, once again.
You can also use ogre forged hauberk from dire maul tribute runs, its like a ghetto savage glad chain and it has slightly more armor and stam than deathdealer breastplate, it gives the same amount of crit bc 20agil = 1% crit for warriors. Just a good alternative :)
5% hit has big value for sure - i have hard time sacrificing a high stat/armor for a 1% leather item - would be okay with 4% hit and +20 stam & 200 armor for example.
Love this vid. Regarding boots, wouldnt Ribsteel Footguards compete w Valor considering you give up 3 STA for 2 STR and 6 AGI ? And certainly better than Battlechaser because of Stam right? Thanks
What about treant's bane from tribute run from DMN? First, let's face it - it looks fucking badass; second - it has 2% crit, it's an axe and a pretty good damage anyway. It could be a bit slower, but still really decent since you get 2% hit and 25 str/15stam. Then you go for axe spec, too, which essentially gives you 7% crit.
What about Spinal Reaper if you're Orc? I feel like most people can't be choosie with the Rag weapons and will need to roll on whatever they get the chance to.
BerserkMike its definitely good, youd be lacking some crit but gaining some armor and health, so you can maybe shift some other pieces around to get some more crit, i actually just got my carapace and finished farming the mats too!
I have one question, why do u feel the might bracers shouldn't be in anymore? U rated stm and armor over crit chance, and u had them in ur first video? I agree with most of changes u have done 😌 keep the nice work!!!
yfzi i disagree that its better for pvp, you lack a lot of crit early on with pvp gear, so i feel these are better overall, but of course you can use demonshear it is good
Question: I don’t have the savage gladiator chain or deathdealer/ogre forged chest plate at this point, however I do have the breastplate of valor. Is that still a solid alternative due to the high armor and Stam + other stats?
Yeah man, that was one down the list for me, but I ended up getting Breastplate of the Chromatic Flight, this list is more so just some of the best options, as long as you are focusing on the keys things like having a decent weapon, being hit capped, and having as much crit/armor/health as possible, then you should be fine
Atacas thanks for the heads up man! That’s great to hear, not sure how many more bed runs I have in me lol. Got my OEB and ready to roll, just wish I had BRE now
What about the Ogre Forged Hauberk out of DM North? It has the same crit % (1% +20 Agi = equals 2% in total), same str value but 5 more stamina and more armor than the Deathdealer Breastplate.
Crusader is the only enchant imo. But you also need "Immune to disarm" so will need to get some Stronghold Gauntlets so you don't need to have a weapon chain wasting your enchant slot.
@@Sik1buddeh Nice, Death Grips are a decent/cheap alternative, but i'd still recommend working toward getting Stronghold Gauntlets if you plan to PvP a lot. All the stats on Stronghold(stam/crit/parry) are way more valuable than the flat 44 AP you are going to be getting from Death Grips.
Igor Kurbanov any two hander except vendorstrike is good from MC i just dont like Spinal Reaper that much because its effect isn’t THAT great for PvP, would I use it though? Yes, definitely.
Ray If you want a mathematical breakdown of this answer you’ll have to do a little more research, but basically no. Weapon skill is extremely useful to an extent in PvE do to the nature of hitting level 63 mobs and the way it affects glancing blows. Since all people in pvp are lvl 60 and glancing blows don’t exist is pvp, weapon skill is essentially useless even though it does have an extremely minor benefit that’s unnoticeable like 0.2% hit+crit for +5 weapon skill. I also know in PvE...any weapon skill past +8 is pretty much useless and anything past 10 literally does nothing
What about the Fury warriors that wanna go for pvp... i know arms is a lot better but there are ppl who like fury... can we have an update for bis pvp fury warriors please? whats the hit cap for pvp fury warriors?
@@Atacas It costs 20 arcanite bars and some other stuff. Just too expensive, I agree. Especially if you are saving up for the way more important Lionheart Helmet.
hey friend, i belive u forget completlty about warrior t1 which have sick, sick stats also gloves with hit and option is weapon chain instead of gloves with immune. I'm totaly supprised u dont forgeet about rings and belt in mc and u totally get over any other itmes that drop there. im also dissapointed as seeing this from a player with sulfuras...
@@jasonwick9449 Not everybody has LH helm ony pendant and girdle who gives you extra hit from a pre bis piece so ofc hes gonna put more hit gear.. just use your head and play around it.
@@MiceyRylus A "BiS" list is created with the mind that if you get every single piece, it's what you'll have. Ony neck and LH are fucking easy to obtain, as is a Satyr's mark if you're unable to get a Truestrike. That's already 4% hit. This guy doesn't think twice before suggesting WAY harder shit to get, like Savage Glads chest or even Ironfoe in his last video. Don't make excuses for him. He's trash.
Honestly for the people who casually play or realistically cant get sulfuras because of not being next in line. Weaps like Arcanite Reaper are worth the investment.
Literally just searching for something like this when you posted. Big thanks!
Consider BP of Valor and Leg plates of valor to get 4 piece set bonus of 200 armor and 40+ attack power (as alternatives). More sta and armor and attack power than your current set up. A big loss of crit for sure, though. But I make up for it by replacing black stone ring with magni’s will. I’m hit capped at 5-6% though. I’d love to send you my set up for a rating to see what you think. Not much MC available right now, but I did manage an OEB. Also, if you got a riphook while farming black crow, KEEP it. If you get hit capped, it’s a better slot for overall dps than a +hit bow. Great vid, once again.
You can also use ogre forged hauberk from dire maul tribute runs, its like a ghetto savage glad chain and it has slightly more armor and stam than deathdealer breastplate, it gives the same amount of crit bc 20agil = 1% crit for warriors. Just a good alternative :)
Yeah thats a good option as well :D
I would say "Breastplate of the chromatic flight" takes the cake as far as chests go, check it out.
Great list. Glad I have many of the items due to the fierce competition for an elite 40 man raid team. I'm on Herod!
Hello would you give me a quick advice on "Dreadforge Retaliator vs. Blackhand Doomsaw"? Which one is better for PvP? :) Thanks in advance!
Keep the Chromatic chest in mind, the Band of Flesh, and the engineering trinket. Demonshear is also very good in pvp
I have most of this gear now but still some to get. Recently got my OEB with crusader and it’s fucking nice .
Bracers of might seem really nice if you're already hit capped.
Indeed. I used to use t2 bracers to hit 6k Hp
5% hit has big value for sure - i have hard time sacrificing a high stat/armor for a 1% leather item - would be okay with 4% hit and +20 stam & 200 armor for example.
Sulfurus, Hand of Ragnaros IS NOT BIS as arms pvp. BRE (Bonreaver´s Edge) is BIS without any doubts!
Lukas Grantelius no its not, keeping the stacks up in pvp is un reliable which is the only thing that makes it good.
Love this vid. Regarding boots, wouldnt Ribsteel Footguards compete w Valor considering you give up 3 STA for 2 STR and 6 AGI ? And certainly better than Battlechaser because of Stam right? Thanks
What about treant's bane from tribute run from DMN? First, let's face it - it looks fucking badass; second - it has 2% crit, it's an axe and a pretty good damage anyway. It could be a bit slower, but still really decent since you get 2% hit and 25 str/15stam. Then you go for axe spec, too, which essentially gives you 7% crit.
What about Spinal Reaper if you're Orc? I feel like most people can't be choosie with the Rag weapons and will need to roll on whatever they get the chance to.
What about earthshaker 2h mace
How do you rate demonshear over the 2h from last bost in lbrs ?
Monkeynews had that as his prebis for pvp
spiralout keepgoing its definitely good, its just hard to let go of all the crit you get from axes, but I’m probably going to use it myself.
This vid was awesome man! It would also be awesome if you made a guide just like this for Pre-MC BiS (now that DM came out)
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Great Video!! A lot of nice information.
Thanks man, I appreciate it!
would you recommend the arcanite reaper for alt ?
Looking forward to your next PvP gear video now BWL has been announced!
Great video, was just wondering what's the hit cap i need for a dwarf with a 2h?
its still 5% weapon skill doesn't count in pvp
How do you rank Blackblade of Shahram? I assume better than the rares but below OED? The AoE stuns and slows seem nice for PvP even if unreliable.
Nobody i do like it, but the drop rate is so low its very unrealistic
@@Atacas Fair Enough. I just got very lucky so I was wondering what is and isn't an upgrade.
Nobody oh youre good then lol id say it ranks right beneath OEB
How would you rate 'Breastplate of the Chromatic Flight'? I got the carapace drop and farmed the other mats.
BerserkMike its definitely good, youd be lacking some crit but gaining some armor and health, so you can maybe shift some other pieces around to get some more crit, i actually just got my carapace and finished farming the mats too!
what about earthshaker tho that proc is insane for pvp wins you the fight garenty
Will you be making a new video for the BWL loot coming? I hope so 🤗
Has your opinion of helmet of wrath fallen off? I'm torn between using it and crown of destruction.
I have one question, why do u feel the might bracers shouldn't be in anymore? U rated stm and armor over crit chance, and u had them in ur first video? I agree with most of changes u have done 😌 keep the nice work!!!
Its a bad list thats why
What do you think about eshkhanders collar? 17 stam 1% chance to crit 1% chance to dodge.
Why not include Demonshear from Stratholme Living as an alternative 2h? 3.8 speed and a proc that procs quite often.
blondiwithstyle that is the best rare weapon before mc. So yeah go with that
yfzi i disagree that its better for pvp, you lack a lot of crit early on with pvp gear, so i feel these are better overall, but of course you can use demonshear it is good
Question: I don’t have the savage gladiator chain or deathdealer/ogre forged chest plate at this point, however I do have the breastplate of valor. Is that still a solid alternative due to the high armor and Stam + other stats?
Yeah man, that was one down the list for me, but I ended up getting Breastplate of the Chromatic Flight, this list is more so just some of the best options, as long as you are focusing on the keys things like having a decent weapon, being hit capped, and having as much crit/armor/health as possible, then you should be fine
Atacas thanks for the heads up man! That’s great to hear, not sure how many more bed runs I have in me lol. Got my OEB and ready to roll, just wish I had BRE now
What about Demonshear?
Runeblade!
No mention of ribsteel footguards?
Thanks heaps champ!
What about the Ogre Forged Hauberk out of DM North? It has the same crit % (1% +20 Agi = equals 2% in total), same str value but 5 more stamina and more armor than the Deathdealer Breastplate.
Its a decent option as well :D
Thought's on Dragon's Blood cape? 9 str 22 stam with 5 arc/fire/shad resistance seems really hard to pass up.
skrooz scrungus its pretty solid, if you can get your hands on it then use it haha
Great video! How do you rate Treant's Bane?Is this better then Barbarous blade?
Treants Bane is far too fast of a weapon to be of any use for anything.
can you make a vid on farming diremaul as warrior? and what to do etc?
What enchants do you recommend senpai?
Crusader is the only enchant imo. But you also need "Immune to disarm" so will need to get some Stronghold Gauntlets so you don't need to have a weapon chain wasting your enchant slot.
@@MrSandman1413 got myself some death grips already with crusader on wep :)!
@@Sik1buddeh Nice, Death Grips are a decent/cheap alternative, but i'd still recommend working toward getting Stronghold Gauntlets if you plan to PvP a lot. All the stats on Stronghold(stam/crit/parry) are way more valuable than the flat 44 AP you are going to be getting from Death Grips.
Hi. Thanks for good guide. I have one question about weapon for PvP - is Spinal Riper good for pvp or other weapons are better?
Thanks in advance.
Igor Kurbanov any two hander except vendorstrike is good from MC i just dont like Spinal Reaper that much because its effect isn’t THAT great for PvP, would I use it though? Yes, definitely.
@@Atacas thanks a lot
Question about weapon skill as it relates to hit cap. OEB plus human is 313 weapon skill. Does that effect hot cap as it pertains to PvP?
Ray If you want a mathematical breakdown of this answer you’ll have to do a little more research, but basically no. Weapon skill is extremely useful to an extent in PvE do to the nature of hitting level 63 mobs and the way it affects glancing blows. Since all people in pvp are lvl 60 and glancing blows don’t exist is pvp, weapon skill is essentially useless even though it does have an extremely minor benefit that’s unnoticeable like 0.2% hit+crit for +5 weapon skill. I also know in PvE...any weapon skill past +8 is pretty much useless and anything past 10 literally does nothing
In P2 when PVP gear comes out, will it be in its 1.12 state? As in those crazy stats? Can someone confirm?
hi~just one question, why choose the valor should and boots rather than might
I tried to make this one a tiny bit more realistic for people, but might work well too :]
I'm running helm of wrath for the ridiculous amount of stats over lion heart, however if you got pocket healers the lionheart is better.
Thx Dude !
What about the Fury warriors that wanna go for pvp... i know arms is a lot better but there are ppl who like fury... can we have an update for bis pvp fury warriors please? whats the hit cap for pvp fury warriors?
Crown of Destruction??
For rings, why not mention Myrmidon's Signet?
yea, where myrmidons and wouldnt emberfury be better neck if you dont have ony neck yet?
Why do you have actual bis items (like rag loot) in a quote pre bis list, and suboptimal choices for other slots..
Old video but bad list D:
the item combination for mentioned BiS gear is quite wrong
What about all the Warrior Might set gear?
can you do pre pvp bis on mage for next video? thank you
What abour Arcanite Reaper? I remember that being badass in Vanilla.
James Knight its just too expensive to be worth it imo
@@Atacas It costs 20 arcanite bars and some other stuff. Just too expensive, I agree. Especially if you are saving up for the way more important Lionheart Helmet.
Lol, no Earthshaker? No MC's Rifle wich has Crit and Stamina?
done over 130+ runs for gladiator chest.. no luck yet
TheRealDovahChicken i feel your pain im up around 300 now
hey friend, i belive u forget completlty about warrior t1 which have sick, sick stats also gloves with hit and option is weapon chain instead of gloves with immune. I'm totaly supprised u dont forgeet about rings and belt in mc and u totally get over any other itmes that drop there.
im also dissapointed as seeing this from a player with sulfuras...
Isnt that too much hit? for 2h
Having Breastplate of the chromatic flight, would u play with that since it give really good stats!?
This dumbass put 7% hit into his "BiS" list. Can you really trust him with anything?
@@jasonwick9449 Not everybody has LH helm ony pendant and girdle who gives you extra hit from a pre bis piece so ofc hes gonna put more hit gear.. just use your head and play around it.
@@MiceyRylus A "BiS" list is created with the mind that if you get every single piece, it's what you'll have. Ony neck and LH are fucking easy to obtain, as is a Satyr's mark if you're unable to get a Truestrike. That's already 4% hit. This guy doesn't think twice before suggesting WAY harder shit to get, like Savage Glads chest or even Ironfoe in his last video.
Don't make excuses for him. He's trash.
were is shoulders?
Enchants section?
Chestpiece Ogre Forged Hauberk from DM N tribute is better than Deathdealers Breastplate
Armor...
Why not earthshaker
obsidian over spinal? obsidian is clearly a pve weapon whilst the latter one gives you rage after each kill and 5% crit from talents m8.
Sword spec better for pvp imo, also only get the rage if you land the killing blow
nice trol list
Like the video but saying that HoR is better than BRE is just ridiculous...
SuhDude Gaming and i disagree
Weaponskill has absolutly no use in pvp
forgot Demonshear
No I didn't.
I agree demonshear should be on here. The weapon dmg outweighs its lack of stats.
Farm it while it is "easy"
no Arcanite Reaper?
Mitch Murray far too expensive at this point imo
Honestly for the people who casually play or realistically cant get sulfuras because of not being next in line. Weaps like Arcanite Reaper are worth the investment.
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Lol , no arcanite reaper ? Wtf
Matt Thompson have fun wasting 1k+ gold for something marginally better than dungeon blues