Imagine if the structure of the show had been Tyra demonstrating how the photo shoot would go at the beginning of every shoot. And then she stuck around to coach the contestants through it and help them through their individual weaknesses. Imagine she wasn't a judge. Just a mentor. How amazing would the show have been? Instead she chose violence.
How they show photos of Tyra a lot before shoots or in Tyra mail. It would’ve been cool if they did like a reveal of what they’re shootings but making Tyra do it. First it would avoid theyre terrible race changing photo shoots because Tyra wouldn’t do something they’ll get her hate or make he look like a bad model. And it would give them a good example of what they’re looking for. I dunno Tyra could’ve really make a cool show
While this is all true, Tyra doesn't care. She got so rich off of the show just how it was. It's unfortunate that this is how the world works: people don't care what they do, especially if they succeed after. That being said, in her own way she has received some karma. Can't deliver kids, people hate her, her music career is nonexistent, her show got thrashed by social media these past couple years, she got humiliated by viewers and press on Dancing With The Stars, her ice cream sucks, her movies suck (even though Life Size holds a place in my heart, let's face the truth it sucks). Even if she doesn't let these failures affect her.
Love this comment so much. She had so much potential to be the Naomi of it all. You know, actually mentor, not be a fame hungry, on-the-defence masochist.
He rarely gives creative direction. Just vague directions which are hard to translate. "GIVE ME SOMETHING!" It's annoying because I've heard him in interviews act like Tyra was the only villain. No, Mr. Jay was always a villain. A real creative director wouldn't go out of his way to bring a model to tears right before a shoot (which he's done many times).
Agreed.... he was never there to be a 'creative director'... He was there to antagonize the models and to break them down, (some more than others, depending on who the producers wanted gone.)
He really does spend every second of his time exasperated that these women don’t pop out of their momma perfect runway models that don’t need to be taking anything at all; I’m exasperated!
Watching Jessica and this channel is like watching Fox News. The gaslighting, the disinformation, the massive spin. Watching her sycophants eat it up like gospel is even more amazing.
@@Concheeeetah yes it is that deep. She called extremely thin women "fat", she bullied someone to perform non reversible body modification, she put people in danger in freezing water , someone got a frost bite, she used drugged animals. Just because it's reality tv does not mean it is not abusive.
Honestly this is how the show should have been, a model mentor who did an example shoot for the girls to learn from each week. Kind of a model Tim Gunn for the models
There was a show like that with Naomi, if I remember correctly. There was teams with famous models at captains/mentors I don't remember the title of the show tho
@@ragdollrose2687 its titled "The Face" it didn't last for more seasons. Mentors with coco rocha and Karolina Kurkova. It was in the oxygen network. I really liked that show though.
@@hiroshimasterspoetry101 yes! Thanks 😊 I liked it too, but I was a big ANTM fan at the time and I thought the constant diss at Tyra in the show were weird😆
its cuz they gaslit her episode after episode into thinking she was an awful model, only to keep her week after week for "potential." We all know... there is NO WAY u can take 50-100 frames of a gorgeous girl like her and not end up with SOMETHING decent. It was all for the storyline. They needed someone for the audiences to root against, why not the tallest and prettiest one. Love that she had a good career.
Ann was a good model. She was ALREADY a model before the show started. It always felt like they purposely chose bad photos for her to create some kind of weird storyline of “the girl who has all the potential but just can’t model”
I know you skipped over it, but the biggest problem i had with this episode was when Yaya came out in her kimono and they chastised her for being too accurate, after spending the season criticising her afrocentricity.
Lol this comment section: They dislike her african heritage. I'm offended. They love her african heritage. I'm offended. Guys, pick one. These Outrage Olympics of yours are tiresome.
@@Watchyourprofamity they clearly cite the reasons. But in this safe space we ignore those reasons, we ignore everything she said and did. Which is easy cuz we never really actually watched the show to begin with but we like being offended about it.
Episode 7-10. Yaya is regal and sophisticated, incredible bone structure. Yaya, I want someone out there, some white guy, in the middle of nowhere Idaho, who has never seen anyone like you with her dark skin, afro, wearing a dashiki and go woah, that's (that aesthetic/standard of beauty) beautiful too. Yaya I dont like that you changed your hair for this kimono walk, you took the fashion element out of it by pinning your hair down. Take out the hair pins, show us your natural curly afro hair, YES THAT'S GORGEOUS! this echo chamber: they dislike Yaya because of her race Lol🤡
I’ve seen Star Wars and iDk wtf he’s talking about- if he’s looking for pretty and flowy- Star Wars ain’t it - so I don’t think He’s even seen it. Lol.
They make the girls look ridiculous and give weird themes to the shoots because they want to ensure that the photos can't be used in their portfolios. Because I'd they were portfolio worthy, the girls would be getting free usable shots out of the show.
@@JessicaKobeissi Als, they don't want the models to be successful afterward. f the girls would habe good usable photos, it would be more likely that they would make, some could become super models. If the "Looser" would become more successful that the winners, the models wouldn't be so easily manipulated, thy would't think winning is everything. And the Viewers would startet to question the show as well. And for a show like this, that prays on insecurities, and rely on glaslighting, very crack in the image of authority can be a hard blow.
That’s the only possible explanation because a supermodel like tyra would know that these photos could not be used in portfolios & she is even a photographer for some shoots…..these girls had a better shot at a tv career than a modelling career after this show
You know what I JUST realized even after so many times watching this season? When Tyra is doing her demo shoot, SHE’S NOT HOLDING A FECKING PHONE. But all the girls have to hold a stupid phone in their hand for their shoots, which limits what they can reasonably do in regards to posing and using the fabric of the kimono the way Tyra was doing. Wtf.
They only used the phones because the show received thousands of advertisement dollars from T-Mobile for using the phones in the shoot. It seems like in earlier seasons they did real photo shoots and when they realized they could make millions from companies using their products they started incorporating the products into the shoots! It's ALL about selling a product in later seasons...
Tyra annoys the hell out of me but I love that you’re so positive and give her props for her fantastic modeling, because she really is a genius with the poses ❤
Omg yes, I did remember that, it was like snark over it. Like what? Legally Blind means that you did not pass the eye exam with good enough vision to be considered fully safe with corrective lenses. The Judges are all out of touch....
On direction: Tyra - "Put your arms to the side so the photographer can see the garment." Jay - "Did you watch the Princess Bride? Pretend you're the rat in the swamp!"
This the deepest psychological analysis of your reaction commentary you’ve presented. Watching this back when I was 14, I never saw this conflict based scenario play out the way it did between Eva & Ann being pitted against each other. Also the fact that the judges ask speculating questions & perceive situations in a shady way bc they want an emotional response from the contestants who r already vulnerable to begin with.
It always irritated me that the producers would pick their "best" photo for judging. It would make more sense if the models could pick their own to be judged
This photoshoot makes ZERO sense!!! Lingerie has nothing to with kimonos which have nothing to do with the fantasy sci-fi head pieces that have even less to do with a flip phone!!! 😂😂😂 Do you think Jay gives bad directions to draw attention away from the horrible designs he comes up with?
Also, I may not know Japanese culture extremely well but I at least have the concept that this just feels little like a disgrace to Geshia traditions and culture especially with the phones. Like sure time was different but still....
@@Heladag_707 **Japanese traditions, not Geisha. These are more like yukata, which is worn casually, than an actual kimono which has many layers and an obi. A geisha is just a hostess that wears a kimono. Not only geisha wear kimonos.
@@missmixed yup, I called out geisha specifically though because that's what Jay was saying what they were going for hence the headpieces. But all in all, all of ANTM is just in bad taste with disregard to cultures
Jay: Think like you're a princess Jess: With a flip phone? 😂😂😂 Thank you for reacting to all of these cycle 3 episodes. To me, cycle 3 is up there for the most toxic.
Take a drink every time Jay says "T-mobile" for the sponsorship edit: also, these men are mad a girl doesn't get a star wars reference and yet they don't know the word "anime"?
When I used to watch this show as an impressionable teen, I always thought of how hard it must be to be a model and so hyper-aware of your whole body placement at all times. Thanks to your videos, I've literally learnt that it is also the photographers job to help the model with their body and how it's portrayed on film. I love your critiques on ANTM. You're healing my inner child/teen one video at a time. ✨
Jessica, you are working OVERTIME! Thank you for yet another amazing video! Also, your tea about this show is always PIPING HOT! It's funny, educational, and 100% accurate. @ 9:55 when Mr. Jay starts explaining the concept I laughed SO HARD at your reaction LOL Moments like this between the girls, when they're just allowed to be normal humans for five seconds, are both beautiful and kind of sad because of how isolated and abused they are while living in the house and traveling. They never get to just BE together and talk. And, again, these are teenagers and early twenty-year-olds for the most part. They don't have anyone but each other and the show and Tyra do everything they can to destroy that bond.
Hmmmmm... Did you also notice how Tyra tried to bait the girls, Norelle took the bait (which they probably knew she would before sending Tyra in), and even though Norelle and Eva didn't have the drama they were *sure* would happen, they ended up eliminating Noelle anyway. Especially after watching your previous video on Ann's elimination, they *definitely* seem to have targeted Norelle for elimination this week with the drama they wanted to focus on (just like drama focusing on Ann in the previous video). It just didn't erupt the way they hoped.
I'm suprised none of the former models have tried to sue ANTM for emotional damages with all the bs they go through. Unless they have them sign something when they are on the show that they cant do anything like that
I think in any reality contest shows, there's always a waiver to sign prior before entering the shows. But, we'd like to see what's inside the forms, because I have a feeling there's a clause inside that doesn't allow the models to file a lawsuit.
I'm sure their legal department had all sorts of paperwork lined up before they started doing anything because yeah a lot of this could have been problematic for the producers if it went to court.
Many of them have talked about this actually, but they signed an iron clad nda amongst other paperwork that basically means they can't do anything against antm. I wish though.
It’s something I’ve noticed as a pattern from the other episodes I’ve looked at. Very interested how they repeat the same formula and it seems to work more often than not 👀
I think there's one step missing in the formula: after the model opens up about what she's going through, they minimize it, "model world is rougher", "Tyra did that without eating for a week"... Etc etc
The cultural insensitivity of that show still baffles me. No, that's not a geisha nor a geisha's escape. That's kind of rude. A Geisha is someone very special in Japanese culture, a sophisticated highly skilled entertainer who has to learn to perfection everything from make-up to poems to music and even subtle gestures. And we have known that for a decades now, long before people called everything cultural appropriation so no one can say it's because of different times. The music doesn't sound Japanese to me. Why do those things if you're in Japan and could do better? The kimono with Western lingerie is fine. Though I would have loved as more subtle type of photo shoot. I've seen amazing photos of people in kimonos. Not everything has to be "loud" if you know what I mean.
Yaya's poses were gorgeous! They were really reaching for bad things to say about her. "Don't lose your neck" while her neck was angled strongly. "No" when she followed his direction. "Too squat" while she was posed beautifully. "Bust the product" when she dropped the phone! This has to have been heavily frankenstein'd together in editing, it's incoherent! It looked to me like she really went for it during the shoot. They even came up with random bad things to say in judging.
This was one of the better photoshoots this cycle. I actually liked the kimono/bikini contrast. I wish they did it without the phone though. It was unnecessary. And Tyra involved was a good plus.
You are so right with the pattern There's always a girl who's picked and then the judges critic her and tyra comes in with a calm voice to bring the girl to speak out You have really analyzed this show 😂
I took tyra's advice very differently to you, she was talking generally about people talking about people and you have to step in their shoes and try and understand where its coming from which tbf i think is good advice and they used that advice to bridge a gap, thats a win imo
Luxeria is going through the episodes too. It’s so fun to watch both of your perspectives from different parts of the industry. (She was a makeup artist.).
I it just me or did anyone else notice the difference in Tyra modeling and Tyra as a judge and host of this show? When she tried to stirr up that moment or when she is so judgy and harsh it never felt as authentic as that moment when she was in front of the camera posing and genuinely explaining what she does and why she does it. That was SO refreshing and nice.
I always thought this episode was so strange. I loved that Tyra came in and showed them how to do it and provided that guidance. But then it didn't matter because they ended up doing a completely different photoshoot than her 🤦♀️ So what was the point?
Currently rewatching this season on luxerias channel. And I gotta say eva really surprised me by the way she casually went up and had a conversation with norelle instead of going off.
Thank you for these reactions. I watched ANTM for a while (since I was like 14 or 15) and being young, I didn't understand the implications of anything. Your insight as a photographer has put a new perspective on this show and I'm glad you're talking about it. Also glad the girls are talking about their experiences too.
Thing is Norelle is saying it in front of everybody- instead of behind peoples backs. She’s just saying facts. Edit: also I love Eva going up to her and taking accountability ❤️ she was one of my faves
Also the blatant picking of a bad photo reminds me of Naima's kloofing picture in season 4 when they deliberately picked a bad photo because it was face on vs. 3/4 or profile which she excelled at. In season 9 they hounded Heather for the same issue but she pushed through her own ASD to NAIL a face on photo in the recycling episode.
Hey Jessica, you probably have a lot on your plate. But when you have time, I highly suggest watching Australia's Next Top Model and would love to see your thoughts on each shoots since season 9 and 10 they brought in supermodels each shoots to direct the girls and the photographers are quite helpful. Plus, I feel like the comcept are so much more true to what the modelling world is instead of obscure ANTM photoshoot concepts.
They pulled the sad card super hard with Corinne in cycle 5. She was just very stoic. Also with Sara in cycle 2 (but I believe she was legit stressed about her relationship with her dad in terms of her modeling career…but they didn’t need to keep bringing it up). I’m sure there’s more but those two stand out.
Jay is so dumb scoffing about her not seeing "Attack of the Clones". Padmé didn't even do the famous geisha look (the one with the makeup) in that film, it was "The Phantom Menace" she did that in. Both are poor movies regardless, so acting like a snob over *those* is ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure if Tyra was holding a flip phone she would've still killed it. Everyone in the comments is acting like the phone makes the photoshoot 100 times harder...
@@abigailwilliams8889 I agree. It would however have been nice if she demonstrated it as well because when it came time to shoot some of the models either didn't know what to do or froze up/shut down when it was their turn. Alas it's a competition so in the end those who struggled with the concept were easier to eliminate.
U asked for our thoughts on the kimono and underwear. I think its disrespectful to the whole geisha culture. But then, when did this show ever show respect?
He keeps asking if she's seen this or that movie. It was probably in their beginning questionnaire. She probably admitted she wasn't allowed to watch movies or tv. And they were like how can we use this to degrade her.
You know I remember watching this when this was actually airing. And when Norelle was talking to tyra and tyra tried to like spark the drama. I called her on it and my friends allllll said I was tripping. (Most of them are tyra fanatics.) And now that you said the same. I was like YES VALIDATION!!!!!! I LOVE WATCHING YOU because you say and feel things I did .
Idk. I've always felt Tyra's "everybody talks about everyone" was about the only time I've heard Tyra give reasonable advice. Like it's less "all y'all being catty. I watched in editing." And more a "don't get too hung up x is talking about you, you've probably talked about x similarly too"
I just wanna say I've been watching you off and on for idk how many months, but I find you to be so delightful. I like your insights and humor. Your personality in general. And you're adorable! Sweet, funny, practical, soothing. Like I wish I had a little sister or cousin like you. Also, you remind me of a younger version of a friend of mine, which is neat to me
With Ann it’s been mentioned that she didn’t grow up with pop culture stuff so when Jay is asking her if she’s seen x show or y movie it’s because he says you can draw from inspiration but Ann lacks that in her life…
If Tyra truly cared if Eva was sad she would ask her off camera. Of course the girls are going to have bad/off days and it would be normal to feel stressed by the competition. I modelled in Japan in my teens and it was an amazing experience for many reasons but mainly because of the other girls in my agency and the friendships we formed. It would have been so upsetting and confusing to have someone intentionally try and turn us against each other. 20 years later we are all still in touch via social media and share our fun and crazy memories regularly.
Watching all your ANTM videos really highlights just how effing rude and disrespectful Mr Jay was to the models week after week. It definitely seems like he's purposefully piling on certain models to break their spirit and the majority of the time isn't actually doing his job of giving them useful direction to take a good photo. He's more like a heckler on the sidelines, making snide comments and jokes and making the models feel insecure. Ann doesn't know my fair lady? Who cares! Instead of rolling your eyes like a teenager, give her another reference that she understands to help her and DO YOUR JOB.
This is at the very least how the first episodes should be. Her SHOWING the girls who have never modeled before how to model is needed. I swear she started this show to be the popular mean girl. Watches them crash and burn over and over until she finally decides to "help". Edit: I am not of Asian descent, but I don't know how I feel about a kimono being modeled in a bra and panties... Being a Geisha is an art form, and they work extremely hard to become what they are and are very respected. There are different levels to being a Geisha and it's almost an elite practice. I watched the movie *Imprint* when I was younger and it caused me to go on a deep dive about Geishas and what they actually are and do.
I was shocked and I don't know why when I heard Lisa (?) say that they had to pay for their own food! Like, sure, IRL they would but they literally COULDN'T make money. These aren't girls that come from wealth. That is so F-D up.
I just found your channel and im binging 😂 ANTM was my childhood tv show. I tried out when they expanded to social media but unfortunately i didnt get chosen. However im glad i didnt lol Youre beautiful btw.
Lol, only watch Star Wars if you want to. Episodes 1-3 aren't great, except Queen Amidala's fashion is EVERYTHING Edit: I was honestly not surprised that a girl like Ann hasn't seen a bunch of specific movies because of all the time she spent training as an athlete. She probably didn't have time to watch specific Audrey Hepburn fashion moments
I adore Star Wars and LOTR, but if you're not interested you shouldn't feel forced to watch it. Different people have different tastes and that's fine - people in the comments can just calm down. Anyway, I always love your insight to the toxicity of this show. It came out when I was in my teens and gave me a very skewed perspective of the modeling industry.
Star Wars comment: Jay don't know what he is talking about, "act like a princess from attack of the clones"?! Sorry there was No princess in attack of the clones, Padme Amidala was a Senator. BTW if you do watch the Star Wars Saga please watch all 1-6 it's a beautiful story all 6. Note: Jay was probably thinking of Queen Amidala she wore Japanese kimono. Star wars: the phanptom menace.
Why didn't they have Tyra pose with the phone too? Then they could have known how to incorporate it better, if that was possible. The fact they didn't makes me think Tyra knew it would be harder and didn't wanna look like she struggled at all.
I'm not Japanese, but do have a passion for wafuku/kimono, and I found the photoshoot to be pretty distasteful tbh. It plays into geisha fetishism which has been a massive problem for women working in the hanamachi, and plus they are wearing bridal uchikake which are literally not worn for anything else. I can't really speak on cultural appropriation as it isn't my culture, but I didn't like it personally. I feel like there could have been a more respectful, not fetishizing way that they could have incorporated kimono, such as garments made from used kimono or something.
Jessica talking about how production manipulates the girls gives off "wide eyed staring at a cork board with red string connecting the moments and evidence"energy😅😅
I'm rewatching this season right now and I have a theory that Nicole was eliminated and tyra "forgot" about her because Janice was so into Nicole and so against toccara and toccara had just been eliminated the week before so it was like tit for tat. (Toccara should NOT have been eliminated in the first place and I'm meh on Nicole but it's just my thought on the situation)
Imagine if the structure of the show had been Tyra demonstrating how the photo shoot would go at the beginning of every shoot. And then she stuck around to coach the contestants through it and help them through their individual weaknesses. Imagine she wasn't a judge. Just a mentor. How amazing would the show have been? Instead she chose violence.
How they show photos of Tyra a lot before shoots or in Tyra mail. It would’ve been cool if they did like a reveal of what they’re shootings but making Tyra do it. First it would avoid theyre terrible race changing photo shoots because Tyra wouldn’t do something they’ll get her hate or make he look like a bad model. And it would give them a good example of what they’re looking for. I dunno Tyra could’ve really make a cool show
While this is all true, Tyra doesn't care. She got so rich off of the show just how it was. It's unfortunate that this is how the world works: people don't care what they do, especially if they succeed after. That being said, in her own way she has received some karma. Can't deliver kids, people hate her, her music career is nonexistent, her show got thrashed by social media these past couple years, she got humiliated by viewers and press on Dancing With The Stars, her ice cream sucks, her movies suck (even though Life Size holds a place in my heart, let's face the truth it sucks). Even if she doesn't let these failures affect her.
more like gaslighting & sabotage as well
Love this comment so much. She had so much potential to be the Naomi of it all. You know, actually mentor, not be a fame hungry, on-the-defence masochist.
Not the violence 💀💀😂😂😂
What Mr Jay is supposed to do: be the creative director. What he actually does: give snarky remarks, be exasperated and roll his eyes.
He rarely gives creative direction. Just vague directions which are hard to translate. "GIVE ME SOMETHING!" It's annoying because I've heard him in interviews act like Tyra was the only villain. No, Mr. Jay was always a villain. A real creative director wouldn't go out of his way to bring a model to tears right before a shoot (which he's done many times).
He gaslit so much on the show it was hard to even believe him when him and Tyra fell out because he is just as much to blame.
Agreed.... he was never there to be a 'creative director'... He was there to antagonize the models and to break them down, (some more than others, depending on who the producers wanted gone.)
He really does spend every second of his time exasperated that these women don’t pop out of their momma perfect runway models that don’t need to be taking anything at all; I’m exasperated!
Don’t forget accusing the girls of having a non existent attitude
Thank you for taking the time to highlight the abuse these women were put through.
Gurl it’s not that deep..its a reality show what do u expect? Lol
Watching Jessica and this channel is like watching Fox News. The gaslighting, the disinformation, the massive spin. Watching her sycophants eat it up like gospel is even more amazing.
It sort of feels like vindication or at least a voice to young women who didn’t have one.
@@Concheeeetah yes it is that deep. She called extremely thin women "fat", she bullied someone to perform non reversible body modification, she put people in danger in freezing water , someone got a frost bite, she used drugged animals. Just because it's reality tv does not mean it is not abusive.
@@bulbasaur232 Not Tyra using a burner account to say Jessica is the one gaslighting.😂
Honestly this is how the show should have been, a model mentor who did an example shoot for the girls to learn from each week. Kind of a model Tim Gunn for the models
There was a show like that with Naomi, if I remember correctly. There was teams with famous models at captains/mentors
I don't remember the title of the show tho
@@ragdollrose2687 its titled "The Face" it didn't last for more seasons. Mentors with coco rocha and Karolina Kurkova. It was in the oxygen network. I really liked that show though.
@@hiroshimasterspoetry101 yes! Thanks 😊 I liked it too, but I was a big ANTM fan at the time and I thought the constant diss at Tyra in the show were weird😆
So The Face basically lol
@Ragdoll Rose the face😊
I always felt so bad for Ann. You could see her spirit break more and more with every episode.
And Kelle too. They annihilated her week after week until her elimination.
its cuz they gaslit her episode after episode into thinking she was an awful model, only to keep her week after week for "potential."
We all know... there is NO WAY u can take 50-100 frames of a gorgeous girl like her and not end up with SOMETHING decent. It was all for the storyline. They needed someone for the audiences to root against, why not the tallest and prettiest one.
Love that she had a good career.
And the fact that Ann Markley still modelling today proved that Tyra and her friends did her too dirty.
Ann was a good model. She was ALREADY a model before the show started. It always felt like they purposely chose bad photos for her to create some kind of weird storyline of “the girl who has all the potential but just can’t model”
@@nikirrae8495 Just like with Kelle. Poor Kelle. I'm happy that Kelle and Anne are doing well and didn't let this show fully break them.
I know you skipped over it, but the biggest problem i had with this episode was when Yaya came out in her kimono and they chastised her for being too accurate, after spending the season criticising her afrocentricity.
WTF? They hated her for no reason. well… We know the reasons
Lol this comment section:
They dislike her african heritage. I'm offended.
They love her african heritage. I'm offended.
Guys, pick one. These Outrage Olympics of yours are tiresome.
@@Watchyourprofamity they clearly cite the reasons. But in this safe space we ignore those reasons, we ignore everything she said and did. Which is easy cuz we never really actually watched the show to begin with but we like being offended about it.
Episode 7-10. Yaya is regal and sophisticated, incredible bone structure. Yaya, I want someone out there, some white guy, in the middle of nowhere Idaho, who has never seen anyone like you with her dark skin, afro, wearing a dashiki and go woah, that's (that aesthetic/standard of beauty) beautiful too. Yaya I dont like that you changed your hair for this kimono walk, you took the fashion element out of it by pinning your hair down. Take out the hair pins, show us your natural curly afro hair, YES THAT'S GORGEOUS!
this echo chamber: they dislike Yaya because of her race
Lol🤡
Episode 3: Yaya I love that you rock dreads and want to represent as a proud african american woman.
"Pretend like you're a princess" "Have you ever seen Star Wars-"
JUST TALK MOVEMENTS AND ANGLES, JAY
I’ve seen Star Wars and iDk wtf he’s talking about- if he’s looking for pretty and flowy- Star Wars ain’t it - so I don’t think He’s even seen it. Lol.
@@Challam3owwhen he said star wars i was only thinking stormtroopers so i dont know what he was blabbering about
When I think of princess movies that for sure is the first one that comes to mind 😂
@@Challam3ow, I guess he was referring to Padmé Amidala. Amazing character but that was really unnecessary reference from him lol
They make the girls look ridiculous and give weird themes to the shoots because they want to ensure that the photos can't be used in their portfolios. Because I'd they were portfolio worthy, the girls would be getting free usable shots out of the show.
WOW. You make a super interesting point…
@@JessicaKobeissi Als, they don't want the models to be successful afterward. f the girls would habe good usable photos, it would be more likely that they would make, some could become super models. If the "Looser" would become more successful that the winners, the models wouldn't be so easily manipulated, thy would't think winning is everything. And the Viewers would startet to question the show as well.
And for a show like this, that prays on insecurities, and rely on glaslighting, very crack in the image of authority can be a hard blow.
Omg you’re right and it makes sense
That’s the only possible explanation because a supermodel like tyra would know that these photos could not be used in portfolios & she is even a photographer for some shoots…..these girls had a better shot at a tv career than a modelling career after this show
You know what I JUST realized even after so many times watching this season? When Tyra is doing her demo shoot, SHE’S NOT HOLDING A FECKING PHONE. But all the girls have to hold a stupid phone in their hand for their shoots, which limits what they can reasonably do in regards to posing and using the fabric of the kimono the way Tyra was doing. Wtf.
I’m guessing she also prepared in advance and rehearsed - this was a great shoot, but wasn’t completely spontaneous
They only used the phones because the show received thousands of advertisement dollars from T-Mobile for using the phones in the shoot.
It seems like in earlier seasons they did real photo shoots and when they realized they could make millions from companies using their products they started incorporating the products into the shoots!
It's ALL about selling a product in later seasons...
Tyra annoys the hell out of me but I love that you’re so positive and give her props for her fantastic modeling, because she really is a genius with the poses ❤
I agree i love that she is not biased and gives the credit where its due
I just wanted to point out that Amanda was legally blind and they still expected so much. And told her to “fight through it” during episodes
Omg yea. Like the runway challenge and they wouldn’t let her see the runway beforehand.
Omg yes, I did remember that, it was like snark over it. Like what? Legally Blind means that you did not pass the eye exam with good enough vision to be considered fully safe with corrective lenses. The Judges are all out of touch....
The ableism on this show was OUT OF CONTROL! They were awful to anyone who tried to enforce boundaries- straight up abuse for entertainment
On direction:
Tyra - "Put your arms to the side so the photographer can see the garment."
Jay - "Did you watch the Princess Bride? Pretend you're the rat in the swamp!"
😂😂😂
"You look too much like the rat...give me the dead man." "I don't understand why she didn't have a personality." Sir, you told me to look dead😂😂😂
This the deepest psychological analysis of your reaction commentary you’ve presented. Watching this back when I was 14, I never saw this conflict based scenario play out the way it did between Eva & Ann being pitted against each other. Also the fact that the judges ask speculating questions & perceive situations in a shady way bc they want an emotional response from the contestants who r already vulnerable to begin with.
"Why, who are we calling?" was one of my favourite lines of you so far 🤣
It always irritated me that the producers would pick their "best" photo for judging. It would make more sense if the models could pick their own to be judged
This photoshoot makes ZERO sense!!! Lingerie has nothing to with kimonos which have nothing to do with the fantasy sci-fi head pieces that have even less to do with a flip phone!!!
😂😂😂
Do you think Jay gives bad directions to draw attention away from the horrible designs he comes up with?
Also, I may not know Japanese culture extremely well but I at least have the concept that this just feels little like a disgrace to Geshia traditions and culture especially with the phones. Like sure time was different but still....
ANTM in a nutshell 💀
Excellent ? about Jay. Hard to say he does do terrible work at a high cost but I think he is really there to make problems for the models!
@@Heladag_707 **Japanese traditions, not Geisha. These are more like yukata, which is worn casually, than an actual kimono which has many layers and an obi. A geisha is just a hostess that wears a kimono. Not only geisha wear kimonos.
@@missmixed yup, I called out geisha specifically though because that's what Jay was saying what they were going for hence the headpieces. But all in all, all of ANTM is just in bad taste with disregard to cultures
One thing Jessica NEVER fails at is the humor. 😂😂😂
True 😂
Jay: Think like you're a princess
Jess: With a flip phone?
😂😂😂
Thank you for reacting to all of these cycle 3 episodes. To me, cycle 3 is up there for the most toxic.
Take a drink every time Jay says "T-mobile" for the sponsorship
edit: also, these men are mad a girl doesn't get a star wars reference and yet they don't know the word "anime"?
When I used to watch this show as an impressionable teen, I always thought of how hard it must be to be a model and so hyper-aware of your whole body placement at all times. Thanks to your videos, I've literally learnt that it is also the photographers job to help the model with their body and how it's portrayed on film.
I love your critiques on ANTM. You're healing my inner child/teen one video at a time. ✨
Jessica, you are working OVERTIME! Thank you for yet another amazing video! Also, your tea about this show is always PIPING HOT! It's funny, educational, and 100% accurate. @ 9:55 when Mr. Jay starts explaining the concept I laughed SO HARD at your reaction LOL
Moments like this between the girls, when they're just allowed to be normal humans for five seconds, are both beautiful and kind of sad because of how isolated and abused they are while living in the house and traveling. They never get to just BE together and talk. And, again, these are teenagers and early twenty-year-olds for the most part. They don't have anyone but each other and the show and Tyra do everything they can to destroy that bond.
SpongeBob: *Enraged* "OVERTIIIIME!!!". Sorry, I couldn't resist. Lol. 😉😄🤣😆
Hmmmmm... Did you also notice how Tyra tried to bait the girls, Norelle took the bait (which they probably knew she would before sending Tyra in), and even though Norelle and Eva didn't have the drama they were *sure* would happen, they ended up eliminating Noelle anyway. Especially after watching your previous video on Ann's elimination, they *definitely* seem to have targeted Norelle for elimination this week with the drama they wanted to focus on (just like drama focusing on Ann in the previous video). It just didn't erupt the way they hoped.
I'm suprised none of the former models have tried to sue ANTM for emotional damages with all the bs they go through. Unless they have them sign something when they are on the show that they cant do anything like that
I think in any reality contest shows, there's always a waiver to sign prior before entering the shows.
But, we'd like to see what's inside the forms, because I have a feeling there's a clause inside that doesn't allow the models to file a lawsuit.
I'm sure their legal department had all sorts of paperwork lined up before they started doing anything because yeah a lot of this could have been problematic for the producers if it went to court.
Many of them have talked about this actually, but they signed an iron clad nda amongst other paperwork that basically means they can't do anything against antm. I wish though.
@@MadiganinPeach Goes to show that the producers and show runners even knew how messed up they were being to the models
I feel like they are also punished when they "show their personality", especially when they speak up
Like with Caridee for example. Or Jade.
@@LiaRaye YES
i really loved your analysis of how the judges emotionally manipulate the models
It’s something I’ve noticed as a pattern from the other episodes I’ve looked at. Very interested how they repeat the same formula and it seems to work more often than not 👀
I think there's one step missing in the formula: after the model opens up about what she's going through, they minimize it, "model world is rougher", "Tyra did that without eating for a week"... Etc etc
Then use it in next weeks challenge 😅
The cultural insensitivity of that show still baffles me.
No, that's not a geisha nor a geisha's escape. That's kind of rude. A Geisha is someone very special in Japanese culture, a sophisticated highly skilled entertainer who has to learn to perfection everything from make-up to poems to music and even subtle gestures. And we have known that for a decades now, long before people called everything cultural appropriation so no one can say it's because of different times.
The music doesn't sound Japanese to me. Why do those things if you're in Japan and could do better?
The kimono with Western lingerie is fine. Though I would have loved as more subtle type of photo shoot. I've seen amazing photos of people in kimonos. Not everything has to be "loud" if you know what I mean.
“The weightless flip phone from the 1800’s” I cannot! 😂
Yaya's poses were gorgeous! They were really reaching for bad things to say about her. "Don't lose your neck" while her neck was angled strongly. "No" when she followed his direction. "Too squat" while she was posed beautifully. "Bust the product" when she dropped the phone! This has to have been heavily frankenstein'd together in editing, it's incoherent! It looked to me like she really went for it during the shoot. They even came up with random bad things to say in judging.
The devil works hard, but Tyra works harder.
Lol 😆 😈
This was one of the better photoshoots this cycle. I actually liked the kimono/bikini contrast. I wish they did it without the phone though. It was unnecessary. And Tyra involved was a good plus.
I hate how the judges get the girls to open up and cry and then always shut them down or criticise what they shared
You are so right with the pattern
There's always a girl who's picked and then the judges critic her and tyra comes in with a calm voice to bring the girl to speak out
You have really analyzed this show 😂
You've been churning these out lately and I'm HERE for it! 🙌
I don't know what we did to deserve this but I'm grateful for it ! ❤
Thank you Jessica because not knowing anything about photography I would feel like Nigel’s critique is valid despite what I’ve seen and heard!
I took tyra's advice very differently to you, she was talking generally about people talking about people and you have to step in their shoes and try and understand where its coming from which tbf i think is good advice and they used that advice to bridge a gap, thats a win imo
To caveat in no way do i look back on ANTM and think what a great show it was 😂 the girls in the show went through so much trauma its awful
That accountability and acceptance is beautiful, those are awesome women!!
Luxeria is going through the episodes too. It’s so fun to watch both of your perspectives from different parts of the industry. (She was a makeup artist.).
I can't wait until she gets to this one.
I it just me or did anyone else notice the difference in Tyra modeling and Tyra as a judge and host of this show? When she tried to stirr up that moment or when she is so judgy and harsh it never felt as authentic as that moment when she was in front of the camera posing and genuinely explaining what she does and why she does it. That was SO refreshing and nice.
I always thought this episode was so strange. I loved that Tyra came in and showed them how to do it and provided that guidance. But then it didn't matter because they ended up doing a completely different photoshoot than her 🤦♀️ So what was the point?
Currently rewatching this season on luxerias channel. And I gotta say eva really surprised me by the way she casually went up and had a conversation with norelle instead of going off.
Thank you for these reactions. I watched ANTM for a while (since I was like 14 or 15) and being young, I didn't understand the implications of anything. Your insight as a photographer has put a new perspective on this show and I'm glad you're talking about it. Also glad the girls are talking about their experiences too.
Tyra should have totally posed with the phone
Thing is Norelle is saying it in front of everybody- instead of behind peoples backs. She’s just saying facts.
Edit: also I love Eva going up to her and taking accountability ❤️ she was one of my faves
Also the blatant picking of a bad photo reminds me of Naima's kloofing picture in season 4 when they deliberately picked a bad photo because it was face on vs. 3/4 or profile which she excelled at. In season 9 they hounded Heather for the same issue but she pushed through her own ASD to NAIL a face on photo in the recycling episode.
Hey Jessica, you probably have a lot on your plate. But when you have time, I highly suggest watching Australia's Next Top Model and would love to see your thoughts on each shoots since season 9 and 10 they brought in supermodels each shoots to direct the girls and the photographers are quite helpful. Plus, I feel like the comcept are so much more true to what the modelling world is instead of obscure ANTM photoshoot concepts.
I remember really liking Asia’s Next Top Model as well (though it has been awhile).
Omg I've been loving all the ANTM videos from you!!!! They are my fave
They pulled the sad card super hard with Corinne in cycle 5. She was just very stoic. Also with Sara in cycle 2 (but I believe she was legit stressed about her relationship with her dad in terms of her modeling career…but they didn’t need to keep bringing it up). I’m sure there’s more but those two stand out.
Jay is so dumb scoffing about her not seeing "Attack of the Clones". Padmé didn't even do the famous geisha look (the one with the makeup) in that film, it was "The Phantom Menace" she did that in. Both are poor movies regardless, so acting like a snob over *those* is ridiculous.
YES! I was waiting for you to react to this photoshoot! I know you're a fan of this culture and I'm so ready for this!
Yeah Tyra did a great job BUT she wasn't also modeling the phone whereas the girls were modeling all three (lingerie, kimono, and phone).
I'm pretty sure if Tyra was holding a flip phone she would've still killed it. Everyone in the comments is acting like the phone makes the photoshoot 100 times harder...
@@abigailwilliams8889 I agree. It would however have been nice if she demonstrated it as well because when it came time to shoot some of the models either didn't know what to do or froze up/shut down when it was their turn. Alas it's a competition so in the end those who struggled with the concept were easier to eliminate.
U asked for our thoughts on the kimono and underwear. I think its disrespectful to the whole geisha culture. But then, when did this show ever show respect?
Good pint hahaha
He keeps asking if she's seen this or that movie. It was probably in their beginning questionnaire. She probably admitted she wasn't allowed to watch movies or tv. And they were like how can we use this to degrade her.
You know I remember watching this when this was actually airing. And when Norelle was talking to tyra and tyra tried to like spark the drama. I called her on it and my friends allllll said I was tripping. (Most of them are tyra fanatics.) And now that you said the same. I was like YES VALIDATION!!!!!! I LOVE WATCHING YOU because you say and feel things I did .
Idk. I've always felt Tyra's "everybody talks about everyone" was about the only time I've heard Tyra give reasonable advice.
Like it's less "all y'all being catty. I watched in editing." And more a "don't get too hung up x is talking about you, you've probably talked about x similarly too"
I just wanna say I've been watching you off and on for idk how many months, but I find you to be so delightful. I like your insights and humor. Your personality in general. And you're adorable! Sweet, funny, practical, soothing. Like I wish I had a little sister or cousin like you. Also, you remind me of a younger version of a friend of mine, which is neat to me
With Ann it’s been mentioned that she didn’t grow up with pop culture stuff so when Jay is asking her if she’s seen x show or y movie it’s because he says you can draw from inspiration but Ann lacks that in her life…
Absolutely no one:
Mr. Jay: have you seen shrek
Model: no
Mr. Jay: 🙊😬😮💨😭
If Tyra truly cared if Eva was sad she would ask her off camera. Of course the girls are going to have bad/off days and it would be normal to feel stressed by the competition. I modelled in Japan in my teens and it was an amazing experience for many reasons but mainly because of the other girls in my agency and the friendships we formed. It would have been so upsetting and confusing to have someone intentionally try and turn us against each other. 20 years later we are all still in touch via social media and share our fun and crazy memories regularly.
I'm so jealous!
It could have been the first day of her period.
I will always love your Jigsaw referances 😂 It makes me laugh🤣
KEEP POSTING THESE! IM GOING TO JAPAN IN JULY AND NEED TO DOWNLOAD A BUNCH OF VIDEOS TO BINGE WATCH ON THE PLANE
YOU GOT IT GIRL
Watching all your ANTM videos really highlights just how effing rude and disrespectful Mr Jay was to the models week after week. It definitely seems like he's purposefully piling on certain models to break their spirit and the majority of the time isn't actually doing his job of giving them useful direction to take a good photo. He's more like a heckler on the sidelines, making snide comments and jokes and making the models feel insecure. Ann doesn't know my fair lady? Who cares! Instead of rolling your eyes like a teenager, give her another reference that she understands to help her and DO YOUR JOB.
You have such amazing insight on the psychological manipulation they are doing to the models! Thank you for addressing it!
Mr. Jay is a terrible director. His feedback is useless.
This is at the very least how the first episodes should be. Her SHOWING the girls who have never modeled before how to model is needed. I swear she started this show to be the popular mean girl. Watches them crash and burn over and over until she finally decides to "help".
Edit: I am not of Asian descent, but I don't know how I feel about a kimono being modeled in a bra and panties... Being a Geisha is an art form, and they work extremely hard to become what they are and are very respected. There are different levels to being a Geisha and it's almost an elite practice. I watched the movie *Imprint* when I was younger and it caused me to go on a deep dive about Geishas and what they actually are and do.
You crack me up 😂 your reactions and facial expressions to the pure craziness of the show is hilarious🤣😂
I was shocked and I don't know why when I heard Lisa (?) say that they had to pay for their own food! Like, sure, IRL they would but they literally COULDN'T make money. These aren't girls that come from wealth. That is so F-D up.
Girl, I think people are sleeping on how naturally funny you are.
It definitely helps balance out the cringe of ANTM and makes it bareable to watch. 😅
Its really nice to see you posting more often , your videos always make me happy
I just found your channel and im binging 😂 ANTM was my childhood tv show. I tried out when they expanded to social media but unfortunately i didnt get chosen. However im glad i didnt lol
Youre beautiful btw.
You’re so sweet, thank you so much for watching! And welcome 🤗
Your make up looks really good today, Jessica! Or whenever you filmed the video lol 😜
Thank you! I filmed this a few days ago ☺️
You always look gorg, but i love this hairstyle on you
I love the 60's vibes from your hairstyle and earrings 💚
I agree it's weird that Mr. Jay keeps referencing movies, but neither My Fair Lady nor Star Wars can be called just random movies😂😅
Lol, only watch Star Wars if you want to. Episodes 1-3 aren't great, except Queen Amidala's fashion is EVERYTHING
Edit: I was honestly not surprised that a girl like Ann hasn't seen a bunch of specific movies because of all the time she spent training as an athlete. She probably didn't have time to watch specific Audrey Hepburn fashion moments
I adore Star Wars and LOTR, but if you're not interested you shouldn't feel forced to watch it. Different people have different tastes and that's fine - people in the comments can just calm down.
Anyway, I always love your insight to the toxicity of this show. It came out when I was in my teens and gave me a very skewed perspective of the modeling industry.
Tyras plan definitely backfired. She LOVES when the girls are all on edge and mad at eachother.
While its a show that aired a few years ago, its a good study in narcissistic abuse. The projection, gaslighting, manipulating, triangulation, etc.
Star Wars comment: Jay don't know what he is talking about, "act like a princess from attack of the clones"?! Sorry there was No princess in attack of the clones, Padme Amidala was a Senator.
BTW if you do watch the Star Wars Saga please watch all 1-6 it's a beautiful story all 6.
Note: Jay was probably thinking of Queen Amidala she wore Japanese kimono. Star wars: the phanptom menace.
I was obsessed with ANTM back when it originally aired... how it kind of makes me sick. PS I love your commentary, you are absolutely spot on.
They put these poor girl through mental gymnastics I could never do a show like this so coat throat!
Why didn't they have Tyra pose with the phone too? Then they could have known how to incorporate it better, if that was possible. The fact they didn't makes me think Tyra knew it would be harder and didn't wanna look like she struggled at all.
I know the episodes are a bit more difficult to get a hold of but I would LOVE if you reacted to The Face UK with Naomi Campbell!
Jay asks about movie references quite a bit. He should really remember most of these girls are very young and havent seen alot of these movies.
He literally asks if she has seen Star Wars to reference a princess... like that's the move we're making?
T-Mobile must have been the big sponsor for this episode.
Poor, sweet Norelle. I hope she learned from that experience. I'm so happy that Eva had enough self-control to handle the situation like an adult.
I'm not Japanese, but do have a passion for wafuku/kimono, and I found the photoshoot to be pretty distasteful tbh. It plays into geisha fetishism which has been a massive problem for women working in the hanamachi, and plus they are wearing bridal uchikake which are literally not worn for anything else. I can't really speak on cultural appropriation as it isn't my culture, but I didn't like it personally. I feel like there could have been a more respectful, not fetishizing way that they could have incorporated kimono, such as garments made from used kimono or something.
I've never been this early! Love your videos and great to have you back!! ❤
Honestly I love how body aware Tyra Banks has always been 🙌🔥 her photography is beautiful
Apparently this was the season where there was little drama. Everyone mostly says they got along during this season.
Jessica talking about how production manipulates the girls gives off "wide eyed staring at a cork board with red string connecting the moments and evidence"energy😅😅
When they say “show your personality”, I’m pretty sure they mean not to be timid when taking pics. I am not a model, but it does make sense.
Norelle didn't have to bring it up in front of Tyra. I feel like it was intentional.
Its sooo damn annoying when Jay gets upset with the models not knowing his references.
You cracked the code Jessica. Btw thank you for spoiling us with this week videos❤
I love your channel soo much this was my favorite show when I was younger (early 20s) I didn’t realize how toxic it was
Sameee
Thank you for referencing Tears of the Kingdom! All I've been doing with my life lol.
Ur Tears of the Kingdom at the end is legendary. Hit me up Jessica
I'm rewatching this season right now and I have a theory that Nicole was eliminated and tyra "forgot" about her because Janice was so into Nicole and so against toccara and toccara had just been eliminated the week before so it was like tit for tat. (Toccara should NOT have been eliminated in the first place and I'm meh on Nicole but it's just my thought on the situation)
Nicole said she would have turned down the Covergirl contract that she knew she was never going to win on that alone.
Thank you! Your videos brighten my day!