Marvel’s Greatest Strength Has Now Become Its Curse

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  • Опубликовано: 6 ноя 2023
  • The future of the MCU may be facing some shake-ups.
    According to a new report from Variety, there’s been plenty of behind-the-scenes turmoil for the once impervious franchise, ranging from talk of replacing Kang the Conqueror with Doctor Doom because of Jonathan Majors’ legal troubles, to the troubled Mahershala Ali Blade reboot going through yet another rework, to - most surprising of all - Marvel’s top brass floating the idea of bringing back the original Avengers to help right the ship.
    The fact that reviving the OG team is even being considered so soon after the Infinity Saga wrapped up indicates just how much the MCU’s recent financial and critical disappointments have taken a toll. What was once Marvel’s winning strategy - taking lower-tier characters like the Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy and turning them into A-listers - has now become a weakness as new players like Shang-Chi and the Eternals just haven’t caught on.
    The projects that were supposed to kickstart the Multiverse Saga and introduce a new generation of MCU heroes haven’t laid as strong a foundation as Marvel’s first wave of characters. Ironically enough, this means that the entire strategy that Kevin Feige used to launch the MCU isn’t working as well now as audiences are more attached to the characters that were supposed to be on the way out - or are already gone - and seem to have far less interest in the newbies.
    How did this happen? Let’s talk about how the MCU’s greatest strength has now become its curse.
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  • @JayTraversJT
    @JayTraversJT 6 месяцев назад +2772

    Bro this aint a marvel curse - this is a disney curse.

  • @EvanFowler
    @EvanFowler 6 месяцев назад +912

    Who could've ever guessed that "fix it in post" wasn't the strongest foundation for a production philosophy?

    • @JohnBaroshi
      @JohnBaroshi 6 месяцев назад +9

      😂

    • @iforgot87872
      @iforgot87872 6 месяцев назад +23

      Yeah, the amount of fix it in post disney does is staggering

    • @natedogg890
      @natedogg890 6 месяцев назад +15

      As someone who worked in VFX for years.... yes lol

    • @haroldnecmann7040
      @haroldnecmann7040 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@iforgot87872theoden son of boromir

    • @clarkmichaels822
      @clarkmichaels822 6 месяцев назад +2

      Having artists start on fight sequences first and then have a story written around it is also not the greatest way to create interesting narratives.

  • @whathappenswhenimbored
    @whathappenswhenimbored 6 месяцев назад +1179

    The main problem is that nobody really replaced the hole left by Captain America or Iron Man. A familiar face that we check in with almost every real-world year. Someone to be the marketable face of the MCU. The closest thing we have is Loki or Spider-Man, but both of them are pretty isolated from the rest of the MCU. Also, there's a longer gap between their appearances now and more content shoved in between.
    There is also the issue that the quality of the MCU shows and movies has become less consistent.

    • @maaz5027
      @maaz5027 6 месяцев назад +161

      Doctor Strange would be perfect for this but even he got sidelined in his own movie by Wanda and America, he was practically useless in the movie...

    • @RedStreak29
      @RedStreak29 6 месяцев назад +135

      ​@@maaz5027Yes.. Thank You
      Doctor Strange *should've been* the Face of the MCU post Endgame!
      But you know, can't have a white male as a face now, gotta spread *"THE MESSAGE"*

    • @dickensanthony
      @dickensanthony 6 месяцев назад

      ​@RedStreak29 😂😂😂 the message that even the white males that produce these films are tired of white males 😂😂😂

    • @locker87
      @locker87 6 месяцев назад +33

      Or the fact that allot of people are just dealing with fatigue when it comes to this genre, it’s ran its course for longer than 20 years and is no surprise when it just feels like noise that’s being dulled out as entertainment. Nothing new nothing exciting and Novel, just the same glop sludge. True art at the core usually always succeeds but when companies get lazy and still expect the same results for little effort, it’s very apparent.

    • @RSrunner88
      @RSrunner88 6 месяцев назад +35

      The main problem is that time-travel and universe hopping is a weak and lazy crutch of a storytelling tool. Tack on the political agendas and poorly written female characters forced to the forefront. Even the Blade script had a draft where it was female led and Blade was the fourth lead in his own movie. Customer satisfaction is low on the priority of Disney, score cards from special interest groups that influence how “investable” the company is at the top of the list.

  • @MilliardoPeacecraft590
    @MilliardoPeacecraft590 6 месяцев назад +345

    100% felt this. After endgame, nothing has carried the same "heart" as the previous films.

    • @sahilshukla8127
      @sahilshukla8127 6 месяцев назад +18

      Apart from Spiderman: no way home

    • @ToniSkit
      @ToniSkit 6 месяцев назад +8

      Guardians 3

    • @alirezafazel7142
      @alirezafazel7142 6 месяцев назад +9

      apart from spider man no way home and guardians 3

    • @yoshimitsu8643
      @yoshimitsu8643 6 месяцев назад +1

      Upto the endgame it all looked like it could be real.
      Now they write lousy writings like making Rocket save animals or Thor giving his power to kids. Too many agendas controlling the MC now.
      What was amezing about Avangers or Captain America was that they had top tier writing. The story was interesting.
      Now it’s just so predictable

    • @YallNotWhite_YourPINK
      @YallNotWhite_YourPINK 6 месяцев назад

      Lmao black panther did more then fine

  • @Ice_2192
    @Ice_2192 6 месяцев назад +374

    Bringing back old Avengers characters for revitalize the MCU sums up Loki's line "You must truly be desperate."

    • @SeverinoCatule
      @SeverinoCatule 6 месяцев назад +30

      They have to fix the poor writing and the lack of creativity first. Apparently people working on these scripts are clueless about how to make a likeable character

    • @eon001
      @eon001 6 месяцев назад +5

      It will end up like Thor love and Thunder. Stay the course with the new IP's

    • @wrestlinganime4life288
      @wrestlinganime4life288 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@SeverinoCatuleexactly you thought they've learned something from Game Of Thrones.. Writing is the key to everything

    • @Unique8802
      @Unique8802 6 месяцев назад +1

      Bring back the old writers. They knew what to write & how to make a story come to life in every beautiful manner. That's the best thing to do.

    • @ShaunChee1998
      @ShaunChee1998 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@SeverinoCatuleAnd enough with the race swap and race politics

  • @4uanC
    @4uanC 6 месяцев назад +239

    You don't need to bring back old Avengers. You need to give us reasons to care about the new ones.

  • @bcm-n7244
    @bcm-n7244 6 месяцев назад +165

    The 1st Iron Man .. was the perfect ballance between, nolan'esque seriousness and normal people with normal scenarios in exceptional circumstances. It will always be my favorite.

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia 6 месяцев назад +16

      And whenever it was funny, it was ACTUALLY funny.

    • @JarrydTIme
      @JarrydTIme 6 месяцев назад +14

      It was groundbreaking at the time, vfx, story, acting. And there were only like 3 main action sequences which is kind of crazy in hindsight. But still a classic

    • @miky702
      @miky702 6 месяцев назад +2

      Exactly why it's my favorite MCU movie too.

    • @Bas_karna
      @Bas_karna 6 месяцев назад +2

      And then came iron man 2 😂😂😂

    • @goatman3366
      @goatman3366 6 месяцев назад

      Yes

  • @lindyk6366
    @lindyk6366 6 месяцев назад +320

    There's a lot of talk about what is going wrong. But at the end of the day, if the writing is bad, it's doomed to fail eventually.

    • @SeverinoCatule
      @SeverinoCatule 6 месяцев назад +14

      Exactly, that's the real problem.

    • @KaleRylan
      @KaleRylan 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@SeverinoCatule Plenty of the early (and even some of the later) mcu movies are not storytelling masterpieces. The writing is part of the problem, not the whole thing.

    • @SeverinoCatule
      @SeverinoCatule 6 месяцев назад +10

      @@KaleRylan Who said it was meant to be an Oscar-winning plot? The point is, there are few to no likable characters or story since 'Endgame

    • @avhiro
      @avhiro 6 месяцев назад

      This!

    • @devonmarr9872
      @devonmarr9872 6 месяцев назад

      Writing is what matters.
      This is why Andor shines amoung star wars content.

  • @4STPearson
    @4STPearson 6 месяцев назад +334

    Marvel's greatest strength was having a singular vision for the franchise. Now there is so much content and competing interests that it has fallen apart. Certain projects like she hulk lacked oversight and ended up costing a lot more for reshoots and CGI.

    • @RichSmithson
      @RichSmithson 6 месяцев назад +12

      She Hulk cost more then the final season of game of thrones. 😂

    • @abrammedrano4392
      @abrammedrano4392 6 месяцев назад +34

      She a strong independent woman who learned everything fast and had no trouble over coming any obstacles so how dare you doubt her greatness

    • @nishantshade668
      @nishantshade668 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@abrammedrano4392😂😂😂😂

    • @4STPearson
      @4STPearson 6 месяцев назад

      @@abrammedrano4392I was rooting for it in the beginning but that series had the worst season finale of all time.

    • @abrammedrano4392
      @abrammedrano4392 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@4STPearson the worst plot,.story line and character development.

  • @Kostaras4444
    @Kostaras4444 6 месяцев назад +320

    The phrase "modern audiences" brings a sense of fear to me nowadays

    • @thomasthetans
      @thomasthetans 6 месяцев назад +29

      Audiences change over time. What people were into 10 plus years ago isn't going to be popular 10 plus years later. There has been so many genres and tropes that has come and gone because people change. For example westerns were popular in the 50s but declined in the 60s, Mafia movies were popular in the 70s and 80s but not so much in the 90s and 2000s. Superhero films are suffering the same fate right now.

    • @Arnell_Long
      @Arnell_Long 6 месяцев назад +4

      ​@@thomasthetansAgreed

    • @smallies7154
      @smallies7154 6 месяцев назад +8

      modern no audience 🤣🤣

    • @mitchcowan1446
      @mitchcowan1446 6 месяцев назад +2

      ​@thomasthetans That's not what modern audience typically refers ro now though.

    • @milkycannon444
      @milkycannon444 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@thomasthetans mafia movies weren't popular in the 90s? When were you born? the 90s has some of the best mob movies ever made.

  • @dabiggest19
    @dabiggest19 6 месяцев назад +325

    Start writing characters as believable human beings with aspirations and believable personal characteristic flaws that the audience can see them slowly overcome in the films so the audiences have a chance to bond with them and boom they are back on track. The reason we resonated with cap and Stark so much is because their challenges with their struggles balancing with parts themselves (caps naivety and starks over confident narcissism) mixed perfectly into the narrative of their films but still remained an iconic part of their characters even after they grew beyond them.

    • @SeverinoCatule
      @SeverinoCatule 6 месяцев назад +8

      Perfect point

    • @XxX-ww
      @XxX-ww 6 месяцев назад +6

      Perfect point

    • @adarshraj7352
      @adarshraj7352 6 месяцев назад +7

      How about growing up and start watching some real films😐

    • @kostar500
      @kostar500 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@adarshraj7352😂😂😂😂😂 marvel movies are shitty theme park rides

    • @jokered1133
      @jokered1133 6 месяцев назад +3

      Agreed 100%, but also the world is now so disconnected from the real world that it’s harder to write in a relatable way, the best thing was probably Drax from guardians who had a character that perfectly expresses feels in certain moments.

  • @davidgoyena3127
    @davidgoyena3127 6 месяцев назад +64

    And what about simply ending MCU? We could just go back to trilogies, like in the old times. If this universe continues, it's going to become like in the comics, where nothing makes sense anymore.

    • @T--wh5zp
      @T--wh5zp 6 месяцев назад +7

      True but Disney is just gonna milk this franchise till its dead

    • @akatsukigajou1639
      @akatsukigajou1639 6 месяцев назад +1

      ​@@T--wh5zpits already ded

    • @nicholassummers8222
      @nicholassummers8222 6 месяцев назад +1

      Yes the same way they did it with star wars or anything else they own even their own movies.

    • @Galactus23
      @Galactus23 6 месяцев назад

      @@akatsukigajou1639 Don't matter if they're not making billions anymore why would disney stop making these movies that are still making some money...?

  • @EdwardKenway-lr5tl
    @EdwardKenway-lr5tl 6 месяцев назад +31

    Doctor Strange should've taken Tony's place but instead they decided to make him play 3rd fiddle in his own movie. Russos handles Strange much better and showed how skilled and powerful he was.

  • @Nobodysurvivesevenonebit
    @Nobodysurvivesevenonebit 6 месяцев назад +164

    It becomes uninteresting now.

  • @VFXShawn
    @VFXShawn 6 месяцев назад +541

    Spider-man absolutely could have been Marvel's new face, had Sony been willing to play ball. The problem is Spider-man being shackled to Sony means Marvel didn't want to make him the central figure of the MCU, which is a shame, since Spider-man works well with virtually any other character or group you want to introduce. Imagine seeing Spider-man with the X-men!

    • @metalskinn460
      @metalskinn460 6 месяцев назад +3

      This, all this!

    • @Dragonfury3000
      @Dragonfury3000 6 месяцев назад +133

      Spiderman is better off with Sony than Disney

    • @amirc.6146
      @amirc.6146 6 месяцев назад +33

      @@Dragonfury3000no. It’s the other way around. The only thing Sony gets right is the Spider-Verse films. All of the Sony Spider-Man films have been garbage.

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial 6 месяцев назад +13

      ⁠@@Dragonfury3000Is that why Spider-Man is nowhere to be seen in the Sonyverse?

    • @loslakers530
      @loslakers530 6 месяцев назад +34

      @@amirc.6146
      Spider-Man 02 and Spider-Man 04 are classics

  • @vishalvtv1795
    @vishalvtv1795 6 месяцев назад +195

    T'challa didn't need to die cause of Chadwick passing away and there didn't need to be too many teenagers running a race to the Mantle or filling in for the OG avengers.

    • @aditya-eg3dg
      @aditya-eg3dg 6 месяцев назад +4

      Exactly

    • @tyrcipher8811
      @tyrcipher8811 6 месяцев назад +26

      Unfortunately, there would have been massive critical backlash from recasting T’Challa especially from black communities. To the point that sane black actor wouldn’t attempt to audition for the role out of respect for boseman. They would have to do some massive multiverse stuff to bring another T’Challa from a different universe.

    • @cedricatmoore
      @cedricatmoore 6 месяцев назад +18

      It was mentioned by Chadwick, his wife and director Ryan Coogler. That Black Panther was supposed to be like James Bond. Meaning other actors can be T'Challa

    • @RichSmithson
      @RichSmithson 6 месяцев назад +15

      No one asked for the Young Avengers.

    • @LavaLot-zi5us
      @LavaLot-zi5us 6 месяцев назад +1

      Which actor would have been able to replace him well?

  • @Utopia39
    @Utopia39 6 месяцев назад +54

    It wouldn’t be a curse if Marvel let us sit with these new characters and get to know them. During the early phases, we would get a film where the OG Avengers would appear every other year. Shang Chi’s movie came out 2 years ago and we haven’t heard a peep about when or if he’s going to show up again

  • @VanGtfogh
    @VanGtfogh 6 месяцев назад +18

    Bringing back the original 6 wouldn’t help and is frankly damningly short sighted. They need quality writing and to take things slower. The “Disney Channel Original” angle with the young avengers isn’t resonating because of the writing.

  • @diegopansini3152
    @diegopansini3152 6 месяцев назад +149

    To put it simply: Every MCU project is too separated from each other now. Sure, Wandavision kinda led to MoM, but that might as well not have happened. They’re setting up too many stories to juggle

    • @batmanvsuperman_
      @batmanvsuperman_ 6 месяцев назад +33

      3 years later - still a rotting corpse of Celestial in the Pacific Ocean

    • @RedStreak29
      @RedStreak29 6 месяцев назад +12

      ​@@batmanvsuperman_oh man 😂😂
      I totally forgot Eternals are also a thing
      Lmao 😂😂😂😂

    • @daffa1809
      @daffa1809 6 месяцев назад +8

      imo, like the video says, its the quantity over quality mentality thats killing them, greed perhaps? lmao

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial 6 месяцев назад +7

      The scriptwriter for MoM hasn’t even watched WandaVision.

    • @ALROD
      @ALROD 6 месяцев назад +8

      @@batmanvsuperman_ It feels like it's not even the same universe. For instance, movies that came out after Eternals don't seem to show any consequences of a Celestial sticking out of the planet.

  • @SpartanH2O
    @SpartanH2O 6 месяцев назад +212

    The problem is the avengers should’ve had more time in the previous phases…they should’ve built up on newer gen heroes. They immediately killed off the heroes we love with a super abrupt replacement of the people we held near and dear. Now everything is time and reality related ,Let’s get some localized stories again…

    • @Smoove91321
      @Smoove91321 6 месяцев назад +19

      Then Wandavision kinda reopened that wound which is fine so we'd see the process and closure while she realizes who she is. But did a 180 with a doctor's strange sequel which was like WTF was that for?

    • @Guzmania
      @Guzmania 6 месяцев назад +17

      Iron man, Captain America, Spiderman and Hulk had 50-60 years of content and fanbase to back up their movies. Ironman vs Mandarin can easily go on for another 5 movies. HULK, Gray Hulk, and Red Hulk can be another 5 movies. They never explored them. The young avengers have at most 10 years of comic with forgettable villains. There's no comparison with the OG avengers versus the young avengers and C List heroes. The only name that can match the popularity and contents of Captain and Ironman is X-Men.

    • @sonicpsycho13
      @sonicpsycho13 6 месяцев назад +8

      Except actors have contracts, other interests, and age. Unless you want to see Steve Rogers' face change like James Bond, then you're stuck with only a handful of Captain America movies.

    • @saivignesh837
      @saivignesh837 6 месяцев назад +2

      No but if they overdid those characters it would get stale too - like thor, hulk, starlord, antman etc

    • @wrestlinganime4life288
      @wrestlinganime4life288 6 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@GuzmaniaYeah but seriously Iron Man isn't exactly A lister either his own rogue is quite terrible too, and RDJ has made the character interesting and had the MCU have Spiderman or the Xmen.. You think Iron Man would have been as popular as today?

  • @rah_84
    @rah_84 6 месяцев назад +90

    It really feels like a sequel curse. The hype and lead up to Endgame was amazing. But now trying to follow that up is a tough ask.

    • @WeirdEdz
      @WeirdEdz 6 месяцев назад +1

      The hype for endgame wasnt there until we got civil war. Mcu was kinda just there until civil war. When kang dynasty comes out the hype is gonna be real. Let us get to the middway point before u bail. Thats like watching thor 2 and iron man 2/3 and dipping out on mcu.

    • @miky702
      @miky702 6 месяцев назад

      It's more like the civil war built up the hype for the infinity war, which did the same thing for endgame.@@WeirdEdz

  • @adanortega3401
    @adanortega3401 6 месяцев назад +68

    Marvel needs someone that care like Stan the man Lee

    • @wakaneut
      @wakaneut 6 месяцев назад +6

      Oh, they care al right....just the money.

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia 6 месяцев назад +3

      If Stan Lee were alive and saw the current state of the MCU, he would have given Kevin Feige and Marvel Studios a *disappointing* face. And and Marvel will SURELY be affected by that.

  • @zulfadhlihakim-jo9xj
    @zulfadhlihakim-jo9xj 6 месяцев назад +82

    after the end game...nothing being the same again in MARVEL universe

    • @ramdjow2882
      @ramdjow2882 6 месяцев назад +10

      Was no way home that bad? That was one of the best Spider-Man movies!

    • @fa8911
      @fa8911 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@ramdjow2882it was meh

    • @nikjojo
      @nikjojo 6 месяцев назад +3

      Spiderman No Way Home?
      Guardians 3?

    • @toshtao1
      @toshtao1 6 месяцев назад

      .

  • @THELYRICALTMAN
    @THELYRICALTMAN 6 месяцев назад +57

    They killed off their villains too quickly too. Then the transition towards the future happened so fast that nobody was ready to accept their heroes moving on, or even willing to accept new heroes taking their place.

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia 6 месяцев назад +5

      The way Kang the Conquerer was defeated by a guy with ant powers... Sigh.

  • @user-ij3uq2rq5n
    @user-ij3uq2rq5n 6 месяцев назад +7

    The problem is, and always has been a lack of focus. From the start with Ironman, we got the post credits scene of Nick fury introducing the idea of The Avengers. Every movie after that, built to the formation of the Avengers, with Loki being the big bad, then the Reveal/Introduction of Thanos. This current wave of movies has Zero focus, or anything to look forward to. Giant celestial guy in the sky? Who else saw that? Because no one else is talking about it!

  • @aceandrews7778
    @aceandrews7778 6 месяцев назад +52

    After the Ironman and capt deaths everything has been downhill since,spiderman and loki literally are carrying at the moment

    • @lordyoda9382
      @lordyoda9382 6 месяцев назад +13

      Guardian of the galaxy too

    • @Arnell_Long
      @Arnell_Long 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@lordyoda9382Yep, it's unfortunate how little love Guardians of the Galaxy gets...even the game was an awesome Superhero game but everyone are too busy talking about everything else but Guardians of the Galaxy lol.

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial 6 месяцев назад

      There’s a rumor that they’re bringing back Chris Evans for Secret Wars.

    • @Dipj01
      @Dipj01 6 месяцев назад

      Loki is terrible. Overcomplicated everything while at the same time cheapened the og storylines.

  • @dhiogorb
    @dhiogorb 6 месяцев назад +18

    Its not the characters, is the writing.

  • @Millsii25
    @Millsii25 6 месяцев назад +68

    As far as comics go Iron man, Cap, Hullk, and Thor have always been Marvel's A-tier. To call them B tier is very wrong. They started with their best and now have no reliable characters to pull in an audience

    • @deanreid3320
      @deanreid3320 6 месяцев назад +19

      Money wise,fantastic 4,hulk, spiderman and x-men were all marvels A list but because they we’re struggling financially they sold off the rights. Hence why they started with their “b tier”. Now iron man etc are household names but back then not so much. Where as people like spiderman were pop culture icons on a similar level to batman/superman even back then before iron man 1.

    • @stevesan
      @stevesan 6 месяцев назад +1

      Guardians of the Galaxy tho

    • @ejectmedia
      @ejectmedia 6 месяцев назад +16

      As someone who read the comics back in the 90s, The Avengers were definitely Marvel's team of B or C listers. Except Hulk

    • @_Cetarial
      @_Cetarial 6 месяцев назад +15

      Iron Man was B-tier before the MCU.

    • @Arnell_Long
      @Arnell_Long 6 месяцев назад +9

      @@_Cetarial Facts, Ironman didn't become AS popular until the MCU.

  • @JohnBaroshi
    @JohnBaroshi 6 месяцев назад +35

    I’ve always felt the OG avengers were rushed out of the MCU due to 💵. Given in the comics they’re so many stories featuring those characters.

    • @a.d8509
      @a.d8509 6 месяцев назад +7

      No, its because the contracts they had came to and end and the actors wanted out.

    • @shadmanbashar6067
      @shadmanbashar6067 6 месяцев назад +1

      money and age bro.

    • @sladewilson377
      @sladewilson377 6 месяцев назад

      Nah but endgame was a nice conclusion for them

  • @ominea21
    @ominea21 6 месяцев назад +14

    For me, its that every hero has a WORLD ENDING event in there movie or series. It never makes sense for them to try and save the day by themselves.

  • @graefx
    @graefx 6 месяцев назад +20

    Theres a blueprint in the comics they could have followed. A gradual turn over and new teams. Its like they got done with the first iteration of the team and then spiralee out of control.

  • @oceantransistor
    @oceantransistor 6 месяцев назад +15

    You can have new creative stories. Disney is just being lazy.

  • @JustinMBailey
    @JustinMBailey 6 месяцев назад +35

    “Put a chick in it and make it lame”-Kathleen Kennedy

  • @moogiesboy
    @moogiesboy 6 месяцев назад +21

    Its gonna need the X-men to replicate early phase success. And they're gonna need to be done right.

  • @justgary2471
    @justgary2471 6 месяцев назад +5

    Iron Man, Thor, Captain America, are characters that we grew up with. It just so happens that those movies were created very very well. We stuck with them because there was a constant story to look forward to. Essentially we became connected with them. When they ended the Avengers they also ended our time with them. The new characters are just not worth investing the time in them and not nearly as captivating as the OGs.

  • @MHSenju3000
    @MHSenju3000 6 месяцев назад +7

    They oversaturated the market...MCU single handedly became Activision and Ubisoft...

  • @klym8_
    @klym8_ 6 месяцев назад +21

    The fact that the stones were so critically important to the overall story of the Thanos arc, and in the TVA they just using it as a paper weight, im like "thats it, they made the viewers feel like theyre dumb, for caring so much about the stones, its over"

    • @klym8_
      @klym8_ 6 месяцев назад +5

      @Sh1ft3r1 The stones have no power inside the tva, but they can go anywhere in the timelines and use the stones there, kinda lame to me tbh

    • @Semudara
      @Semudara 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@PadishahArminThey certainly could have! Instead, the vibe is, "Ha. You thought the Infinity Stones were powerful / important? They're nothing compared to the incomprehensible power of... this one new dude you never heard of before (Kang) and his magic office building."

  • @doomnationalist
    @doomnationalist 6 месяцев назад +5

    Marvel thought they were too big to fail.

  • @Artemis_simetrA
    @Artemis_simetrA 6 месяцев назад +2

    After Endgame, they could've just switched to X-men and Fantastic 4. That would've been great. Now, its all mixed up, there are numerous plot holes and loose ends. They will not be able to tie everything up as things stand right now.

  • @fermel157
    @fermel157 6 месяцев назад +11

    There is a huge gap between having B level status ( with a couple of A's) VS C and D level status of most of the new heroes. The built in fan base is much smaller.

  • @ar1sm70
    @ar1sm70 6 месяцев назад +5

    Things must be worse than they look if mainstream outlets have started openly criticizing Marvel.

  • @luckyday8522
    @luckyday8522 6 месяцев назад +11

    It’s not uncommon for Directors to go on a hot streak and then struggle to recapture that magic for years, even decades. Perhaps Feige’s enormous success has peaked.

  • @paralosrumberos0307
    @paralosrumberos0307 6 месяцев назад +16

    There was always the through-line of Fury keeping tabs on potential avengers. We're missing that and we don't have a central figure tying up all these separate potential heroes together.

    • @paralosrumberos0307
      @paralosrumberos0307 6 месяцев назад +14

      Doctor Strange could've been this central figure trying to figure out how to defend the earth in the absence of Capt America, Thor, & Ironman.

  • @finaltouchstudio_
    @finaltouchstudio_ 6 месяцев назад +36

    The original Avengers is not Marvel's curse. It's the writers

    • @jessemillan1385
      @jessemillan1385 6 месяцев назад +1

      Precisely!!!

    • @keefehy
      @keefehy 6 месяцев назад

      I'd replace "writers" with "studio execs".

    • @wakaneut
      @wakaneut 6 месяцев назад +5

      @@keefehy I'd replace "writers" with "activists"

  • @pittersplatter5685
    @pittersplatter5685 6 месяцев назад +7

    The MCU should have went straight into XMen after the Infinity war ended.

  • @tonygmichael6434
    @tonygmichael6434 6 месяцев назад +11

    We've all be saying this for years...I guess it's ok for the mainstream to say it now and claim they saw the problems first.

  • @beanswater
    @beanswater 6 месяцев назад +1

    No matter how obscure the OG Avengers were, they still had decades worth of stories to work off of. These new batch of superheroes are mostly new. Made specifically so for the MCU. They didn't have the luxury of developing their characters in the comics before giving them a movie/series.
    This reminds me of the Game of Thrones situation, they were doing great when they had the source material, but once they ran out, it was a disaster.

  • @darealshmk19
    @darealshmk19 6 месяцев назад

    Great video and well said. Summed up perfectly 👍🏾👍🏾

  • @tails5907
    @tails5907 6 месяцев назад +11

    the disrespect for putting Shang Chi and The Eternals in the same sentence. Shang Chi is one of the best of the new Marvel movies and one of the better Marvel movies in general.

  • @Summertimers
    @Summertimers 6 месяцев назад +3

    It's because they are taking too long for a team up. There was an Avengers movie every phase, but now we won't get one until the final phase of the saga.

  • @haekalans
    @haekalans 6 месяцев назад +9

    Owen Wilson is obviously our best hope for the MCU.

  • @abirmukherjee5781
    @abirmukherjee5781 6 месяцев назад +1

    The problem is that new characters are very shallow based on a world very unrelatable while the older heros were people who lived in a world much similar to original....the problem is marvel has lost its marvelness

  • @DrStephenFalken
    @DrStephenFalken 6 месяцев назад +7

    RDJ is a movie star and many of the other MCU actors are pleasant looking in costumes. Marvel needs to find the next RDJ or backup the money truck and crack open the multiverse for the return of RDJ.

  • @FrancistheBrave
    @FrancistheBrave 6 месяцев назад +21

    With great power comes great responsibility 😊

    • @krazygreekguy
      @krazygreekguy 6 месяцев назад

      With great wokeness comes great brokenness

  • @aassdeeaff
    @aassdeeaff 6 месяцев назад +3

    The problem is all post endgame movies aren't really connected each other. You can make many characters but you should connect their stories too just like they did back in Avengers 2012. And MCU need to build around new main faces to replace the hole left by Cap and Ironman.

  • @Marl-hj8hh
    @Marl-hj8hh 6 месяцев назад +2

    It’s not the characters, it’s the actors. Infinity saga was played with A list actors who are powerhouse performers in any genre of movie. The new Phase 4 are not.

  • @WiiMan1133
    @WiiMan1133 6 месяцев назад +10

    Killing Wanda off after building her up, but not before her heel-turn into a one-dimensional psychopath, was their biggest mistake...imo
    Their next biggest mistake was including actors/characters from other franchises through the "multiverse". It's not that that idea can't be a great, it's just that you shouldn't be including them just so there's a pause in the movie where your audience gasps and claps when an actor they recognize from an older movies shows up or if they regurgitate lines from those previous movies in new ones
    The sense of loss and growth from that loss, not the multiverse, should've been the focus of these new phases. How do the heroes that survived the Infinity Saga, the main ones (Thor, the Hulk) and the secondary ones becoming more prominent (Captain Marvel, Scarlet Witch, Ant-Man, the Wasp, the Falcon, The Winter Soldier, Dr. Strange, Spiderman, Hawkeye), go on, and how will they interact with new heroes (Eternals, Yelena, Shang-Chi, Shuri...maybe Blade)? I'm way more interested in that idea that ten billion versions of Kang, who's already less interesting of a villain than Thanos
    And the thing is, some of those movies and shows did this (WandaVision, TFATWS, Hawkeye, Shang-Chi, Wakanda Forever). But because they didn't have people like Willem Dafoe or Patrick Stewart in them, they're not the ones audiences liked as much

    • @rudeegruenberg9184
      @rudeegruenberg9184 6 месяцев назад

      wanda isnt a psychopath you dumbass the darkhold corrupted her

  • @yasumedia9528
    @yasumedia9528 6 месяцев назад +5

    Endgame was a natural stopping point.

  • @EpicJoeE
    @EpicJoeE 6 месяцев назад +3

    Hulk, Ironman, Thor and Captain America are S-tier iconic Marvel superheroes and are not B-list superheroes...have you ever even read comic books? All of these new "superheroes" they are trying to throw at us are random unknowns, of course no one cares about them.

    • @RogerioPereiradaSilva77
      @RogerioPereiradaSilva77 6 месяцев назад

      The Avengers were B-list AT BEST before the rise of the MCU. The only exception was the Hulk. Spider-Man and the X-Men, for a brief while in the 90's, were the true powerhouses for Marvel. Marvel has been doing its best to kill off the X-Men as a franchise for the last 20 years and nearly succeeded to the point that people like you don't really know them anymore (with the possible exception of Wolverine) due to the fact that the movie rights were locked stock and barrel with Fox and they couldn't anticipate the Disney deal after the fact. Hell, the best selling comic of all time still is Jim Lee's X-Men #1 nearly 30 years later!!!

  • @space3613
    @space3613 6 месяцев назад +2

    The problem is they replacing:
    Ironman with iron heart,
    Hulk with shehulk,
    Hawkeye with kate,
    Thor with jane & gorr daughter,
    Tchalla with shuri.
    Ant-man with cassie
    .
    And the trio Marvels...😑
    All female superheroes, even in dr strange movies, they focusing on america chavez and wanda. The only male focus superheroes is shang-chi

    • @space3613
      @space3613 6 месяцев назад +1

      And capt falcon

  • @japiiii
    @japiiii 6 месяцев назад +23

    Actors can only do so much, but that alone is not sufficient. What truly matters is effective management and administration of the material, regardless of whether people aim to make money or dedicate their time to something they are passionate about and find meaningful 💔

  • @RaymondStormbl3ssed
    @RaymondStormbl3ssed 6 месяцев назад +3

    There’s only one word to describe the post endgame MCU:
    Apathy

  • @boat1280
    @boat1280 6 месяцев назад +4

    Shang Chi could have become a way more important character if they bothered using him again.

  • @jaydend109
    @jaydend109 6 месяцев назад +1

    this is pretty spot on, replacing a cast which many grew up on seems impossible to make successful

  • @Mark-mu4pj
    @Mark-mu4pj 6 месяцев назад +36

    The MCUs gone from brilliant to bad

    • @tantona9315
      @tantona9315 6 месяцев назад +4

      It's got to the point where the latest MCU releasing can barely even get us to utter a m'eh.... it doesn't even register with us anymore.

    • @A_mir0_0
      @A_mir0_0 6 месяцев назад +2

      MCU and brilliant? What a joke

    • @nine37
      @nine37 6 месяцев назад

      They never were brilliant

    • @Ravvox
      @Ravvox 6 месяцев назад

      @@A_mir0_0 Surprisingly did go hand-in-hand in one point of time...

  • @12oshinko
    @12oshinko 6 месяцев назад +2

    Marvel waited too long to use the X-men

  • @canavanian
    @canavanian 6 месяцев назад +2

    One problem is the attachment to the actors playing the parts. Black Panther should have been recast upon Chadwicks death. No actor should be bigger than the character. Same goes with Kang, or any other character.

  • @cousinchris5851
    @cousinchris5851 6 месяцев назад +2

    It was a nice run. They should probably go the animated route for a while. Spider-Man Miles Morales style MCU movies would be a breath of fresh air

  • @derrek-lee
    @derrek-lee 6 месяцев назад +3

    "Marvel should stop looking back"
    "Marvel needs to give us yet another X-Men and Fantastic 4 reboot"

  • @harishkumar-rn2mw
    @harishkumar-rn2mw 6 месяцев назад +4

    Kicking off next with X-men and Fantastic 4 could be the best Idea as they are most recognizable and Will bring back OG and new fans. Initially bringing x-men & F4 soon after fox projects wrapped up looked like a bad Idea. Spiderman Trilogy wrapped pretty neatly & should be left alone for some time. But currently MCU Desperately needs something to get back on track. Let's hope at least Deadpool 3 or Marvels be a better One.

  • @kon310
    @kon310 6 месяцев назад +1

    To be 100% clear. This is definitely a death sentence for the MCU. We are witnessing the decline of an empire. The only thing that can be done to save them, they can’t do. Shareholders won’t allow it.

  • @mehdinb8572
    @mehdinb8572 6 месяцев назад +2

    100% agree with all your points! Hopefully MCU watches this

  • @AbanRoby
    @AbanRoby 6 месяцев назад +8

    I'm not excited to Marvel movies as used to. End Game was perfect end. They should have rebooted with new characters. I'm not aware of Marvel projects nowadays.

  • @ultrasrifat1495
    @ultrasrifat1495 6 месяцев назад +6

    Without old heros marvel is garbage

  • @lexc1560
    @lexc1560 6 месяцев назад +1

    The new characters have no real arc, there’s relatable themes in the originals intro movies and they grew because of the experience. Most of the new stuff is “I’m awesome, now I’m awesomer.” How do you expect an audience to connect let alone root for these new “Avengers” 🤨

  • @x6King6x
    @x6King6x 6 месяцев назад +2

    Solo movies then were more serious and less force comedy, now its a lot of force comedy and little seriousness.

  • @WesleyVanroose
    @WesleyVanroose 6 месяцев назад +3

    There is just to much marvel movie's and show, and almost all movies feel like just the same movie with other variables slap on them.

  • @aleksiz15
    @aleksiz15 6 месяцев назад +5

    Its superhero fatigue. Thats it.

  • @agofficial1
    @agofficial1 6 месяцев назад +2

    Here’s an idea, how about they not release a ridiculous amount of content in one year and properly build the next saga. Most of the new movies are poorly written and not really character driven. Marvel has chosen quantity over quality and it shows (aside from Spider-Man and Loki whom imo should lead the next Avengers movies).

  • @dylansalvahe8783
    @dylansalvahe8783 6 месяцев назад +2

    Fans waited years to hear cap say "avengers assemble" and then after endgame MCU disassembled them. Hahaha. What were you thinking feige? Wrong move.

  • @Windbend3r
    @Windbend3r 6 месяцев назад +16

    “Modern audiences” is the dumbest term I’ve ever heard. We see people not “modern audiences” lol why are rich people always out of touch with reality

  • @elanbaysa6508
    @elanbaysa6508 6 месяцев назад +2

    Nice work. More videos like this 💯🤝📈

  • @holtby91
    @holtby91 6 месяцев назад +2

    With the exception of Spider-Man: NWH, my interest ended with Endgame. It’s been going with multiple films every year for 15 years. After Endgame Disney should either take a long break 5-10 years or stop altogether and make something new.

  • @MwelwaOnCos
    @MwelwaOnCos 6 месяцев назад +24

    To be honest we are fatigued by marvel heroes and stories. If we had a limit of 2 movies and 1 new tv series per year. It would help the audience rest but also help the marvel team focus on making memorable content. Quality over Quantity

  • @SB-ck7jv
    @SB-ck7jv 6 месяцев назад +3

    M-she-u failing. Love it 😂😂

  • @nekoniz6352
    @nekoniz6352 6 месяцев назад +1

    Back then Marvel had crossovers of characters from movies to another movies, leading up to avengers etc but post endgame it hasn't happened as much. Most of their new projects feel disconnected from one another.

  • @blue-phoenix115
    @blue-phoenix115 6 месяцев назад +1

    The multiverse also ruins MCU and DC because nothing is at stake, nothing matters.

  • @BrandonWhatTheF
    @BrandonWhatTheF 6 месяцев назад +34

    Anyone excited for the Marvels? It's gonna kill at the box office, right? .........right?

  • @nsfryguy
    @nsfryguy 6 месяцев назад +7

    If they brought in other entities by buying out Fox or Sony, then maybe the MCU would ok. Fantastic 4, Spiderman, Xmen, and some of the darker heroes needed to come forward. Black Panther was probably going to be the one to go forward but that unfortunately ended early.

    • @seanbrazell7095
      @seanbrazell7095 6 месяцев назад +5

      They DID buy out fox. That's why they're making xmen and Deadpool flicks.

    • @DanteLovesPizza
      @DanteLovesPizza 6 месяцев назад

      Sony refuses to sell. You do realise they're sat cashing out on Spider-Man for free right? Like, Marvel is doing all the work, but Sony gets half the profits in the millions on top of millions without lifting a finger. Why would anyone sell? Besides a guy negotiating a deal, they literally don't have to do anything about it.

    • @devzhy9687
      @devzhy9687 6 месяцев назад

      You didn't learn the lesson. They chose quantity over quality this time and it failed. Bringing more would just make it worse.

  • @xalvador7569
    @xalvador7569 6 месяцев назад +1

    So much of what this video talks about is what critics of the MCU have been saying would happen 5+ years ago. The quantity over quality approach with the Disney+ shows has also watered down the appeal of Marvel content. And if the rumours are true that Feige did not want to reset the MCU after Endgame because he “considered that giving up”, then Marvel as a brand may be doomed. Same issue with Star Wars and Kathleen Kennedy.

  • @locker87
    @locker87 6 месяцев назад +2

    the fact that allot of people are just dealing with fatigue when it comes to this genre, it’s ran its course for longer than 20 years and is no surprise when it just feels like noise that’s being dulled out as entertainment. Nothing new nothing exciting and Novel, just the same glop sludge. True art at the core usually always succeeds but when companies get lazy and still expect the same results for little effort, it’s very apparent what the outcome will be.

  • @gamingwithrobin3547
    @gamingwithrobin3547 6 месяцев назад +2

    First one love ur videos IGN and Marvel in general😂

  • @shellingford135
    @shellingford135 6 месяцев назад +3

    They made an utter mess out of their universe. Not every c and d list character Marvel owns can sustain and shoulder a big franchise. That's the lessen they're learning right now, hence them talking about bringing back the OGs to rescue the sinking ship.

    • @Windbend3r
      @Windbend3r 6 месяцев назад +4

      Shoving divisive topics, and adding politics into your movies, doesn’t help. People know the writing fell off. hard.

    • @RogerioPereiradaSilva77
      @RogerioPereiradaSilva77 6 месяцев назад

      C and D listers absolutely can work but you need to have a passionate creative team behind it to make it work. Look at Peacemaker or Deadpool. Hell, Guardians of the Galaxy was the unexpected hit of the century. They should take the execs out of the writing room and let the writers write again.

  • @user-zl2ec
    @user-zl2ec 6 месяцев назад +1

    Ironman and the rest of the Avengers were not as popular as Spider-Man/X-men before the MCU but they were already familiar characters. People have heard of Ironman, Captain America, and Thor before. There were tons of cartoons and video games in the 90's and early 2000's with those characters - there was already a market for it. Unlike what we have today, theyre making movies/series about characters (mostly side characters) no one has heard of/really cares about. On top of that, they create "Disney-fied" stories that try to make the hero/villain more sympathetic rather than just focusing on true fan service (comic book references) and action like the earlier Marvel films. The current writers and directors appear to have no true passion/connection for the characters they're making films about.

  • @christopherflux6254
    @christopherflux6254 6 месяцев назад +1

    Why would they need to replace Kang with Dr Doom when there’s a very plausible in-universe way to explain a recasting?

  • @dajonjones
    @dajonjones 6 месяцев назад +5

    Loki is awesome

  • @adarshraj7352
    @adarshraj7352 6 месяцев назад +3

    They made people fools long enough in the name of film-making and that's not going to work any longer... not to mention their absolutely appalling humour.

    • @t-god2439
      @t-god2439 6 месяцев назад +1

      It’s ign what do you expect

  • @ethankulp4430
    @ethankulp4430 6 месяцев назад +2

    It’s not that some of these new characters are bad it’s that they lack any real development as characters for us to actually come to like them . Like when the hell are we gonna get a Shang chi sequel , or a moon knight season 2 ? Those are two of the few new characters post endgame that actually have any sort of development or character analysis .

  • @IAmWarN
    @IAmWarN 6 месяцев назад +1

    After End Game...Shang Chi, Spiderman NWH, Spiderverse and Loki IMO were successful. All others are flops - Can't wait to miss the release of the Marvels.

  • @DevDinish
    @DevDinish 6 месяцев назад +10

    23 straight movie hits of course they're going to have some down years like any long running franchise especially since they're the first to have this sort of success