That logic would only work if spell chess had spell mate. Since it's "freeze mate", it's clear that the term has to do with the method of mate, not the name of the game. In normal chess, mate is delivered through check, hence "checkmate".
Something I always hope to see with variants like this is longer time controls, feels like the time scrambles always start when things are just getting interesting.
Thanks so much for everything you do. Your videos are always instructive and entertaining. If you're ever interested in a new off beat opening that rivals the Bongcloud, consider the Salt Shaker. 1.Na3 2. Rb1 (and 3. Nh3 4. Rg1 if you hate winning)
Something kind of funny about this is that Spell Chess kind of devalues the Knight since it can't benefit from the Jump spell but Duck Chess kind of overvalues the Knight since it can't be blocked by the Duck (except on the space where it would land). I'm not sure how valuable the Knight is in this mode but it's interesting to think about.
@@brighamaldrich judging by the timing of the candidate moves you probably would make that Eric is mentioning, it did seem like you were stream sniping, but im guessing ur being honest
When I was younger, we played a variant that was normal chess, but you can take your own pieces. It sounds dumb, but there are surprise tricky situations and sacs that you don't see in other games. 😅
15:03 Eric Rosen almost hanged his queen if his opponent’s jump spell is ready because this really would be the accidental Botez Gambit Accepted, is his opponent’s jump spell is ready and if they know to jump take the queen and block with the duck. Opponent was too unlucky for being 1 away from almost getting a free queen.
I think after Qh4 duck g3, white can play Kf1 and duck c6. Then if you take with the queen with the pawn or the jump you lose to bishop takes king because the jump recharged.
At 18:57 I think the opponent could have played freeze d7 Qd7 duck f1 and if I'm not mistaken you can't counter-freeze the queen because she is in the middle of the freeze box! You can only counter-freeze centred on squares that aren't frozen.
On your timestamp it's Blacks turn, so it doesn't make sense, and if you are talking about the previous turn, you would lose immediately because you hang the king
@@MatsMatsuo siriocorvino means at 15:56, when it's white's turn. eric's freeze spell was on cooldown. i was thinking the same thing, don't see why it wouldn't work
This is all way too complex for me, but at 6:26 I was curious about Bb5. You're threatening to either jump over the pawn with your bishop to take the king, or to jump over your own pawn with your rook to take the queen. So basically you're winning their queen. Maybe there's a way to stop it, I wouldn't be surprised with all the different spells.
14:49, Qh4 and Duck g3 I think it was winning, because you guarantee nothing will be blocking the diagonal on the king on your turn, and you are simultaneosly threatning to take the queen on D4. Forking both King and queen by jump spells and White is forced to move the king and lose the queen. What you can learn by that is that the duck is a interesting thing to use in combination with the jump spell If the opponent jump spells is in cool down, by forking 2 jumpable pieces and blocking one of them toa void they blocking with the duck on your turn, although this only works if there is only 1 blockable square, in this case it was G3. I think Eric accidentally made a smart knight sacrifice trap, but didn't manage to correctly follow up. This is an incredibly specific tatical theme.
At 17min, I think Queen takes Knight on g2, duck f1 would have been strong. It'd force white to freeze to stop the queen, but then Eric has his queen in close and move it point blank and freeze the king from escaping, while opponent has no way to use the duck or jump to take Eric's queen. I think forcing your opponent to freeze when you don't have to counter freeze is really strong. Unfortunately, Eric quickly discarded any idea of the knight capture early on.
This is surely a variations that are more fun and very good for the future of chess for non competetive players and people that only want to enjoy chess loving this
This looks like a really nice variant. I feel like in duck chess the sliding pieces are too weak because the duck can very effectively neutralize them, but the jump spell makes them powerful again.
Eric, this is kind of a crazy idea but what about taking just the audio from this video and making some sort of abstract asmr video with quiet music? Like the words in this video you're saying don't sound like they should make any sense lol. IDK I feel like it could be a pretty legendary video
Trouble is with this, I can just about calculate enough to have a decent sense of what’s going on in one of the variants, but combine them together and I’m so clueless!
Now just add Pocket Knight to this, then you basically have a game where... You can place a single Knight anywhere on board on an empty square once per game, you can jump or freeze, once every few turns, and are forced to move the Duck every turn, all while playing your standard game of Chess!
you should do a duck spell chess series where you challenge other streamers in duck chess, then spell chess then duck spell chess and see if they can keep up😂
Wait in a four player game of spell chess, what happens if three players all freeze one guy? Is it stalemate? Is it checkmate? Does the frozen player just time out???
At 20 minutes, wouldn't knight to F6 have been better? As white would be forced to move the king like he did and he wouldve lost his queen instead of the bishop?
I think one side should be given only duck powers and the other side only spell powers and the starting position is any of the random starting position of chess 960 . And Eric plays both sides . 😊
I thought the same, but then I thought that the duck player probably simply has no defense against freeze checkmates. You can just cannonball your queen directly into the enemy castle, cast freeze, and win next turn. Not just your queen, any piece can do it really, and the duck might be able to stop checkmate in some cases, but not in most.
I want to see this play with extra time; 10 or 15 minutes. Not quite fun when players make quick moves and blunder because of time trouble. (I know the player who challenge decide the clock, so pls challenge Eric with bigger clock.)
I like to imagine the duck has a little wizard hat
Oh hi chess
didn't expect for the board game to be here
Easy for the embodiment of a chess piece to say
Lichess better
@@m3talh3ad18 better for what? Ego trips? Dopamine hits?
10:35 "If I freeze take and then duck" This is a phrase I never thought I would ever hear on a chess stream.
If duck chess can have duckmate and spell chess can have freeze mate, winning normal chess must surely be called chessmate.
That's just when you play with Australians
And winning in checkers is checkmate!
Duckchess has quackmate 🦆
That logic would only work if spell chess had spell mate. Since it's "freeze mate", it's clear that the term has to do with the method of mate, not the name of the game. In normal chess, mate is delivered through check, hence "checkmate".
That's actually how it is in German. Chess and Check are both "Schach" following that Checkmate is Schachmatt is Chessmate
Something I always hope to see with variants like this is longer time controls, feels like the time scrambles always start when things are just getting interesting.
Agreed. Maybe just higher increment would help
Yeah, playing such a complex variant for the first time with 5 minutes is silly
That’s not the variant’s fault, that’s the players fault for agreeing to such a short time control
@@VVeZoX , who's said anything about fault, though?
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Thanks so much for everything you do. Your videos are always instructive and entertaining.
If you're ever interested in a new off beat opening that rivals the Bongcloud, consider the Salt Shaker. 1.Na3 2. Rb1 (and 3. Nh3 4. Rg1 if you hate winning)
"I'm not sure if we can freeze a duck, but let's find out." -Eric Rosen, 2023
I like the duck making it more defensive while the spells make it more offensive.
Something kind of funny about this is that Spell Chess kind of devalues the Knight since it can't benefit from the Jump spell but Duck Chess kind of overvalues the Knight since it can't be blocked by the Duck (except on the space where it would land). I'm not sure how valuable the Knight is in this mode but it's interesting to think about.
Knights are better in the endgame I guess, xD since you run out of jumps, but not out of ducks
@@MatsMatsuo Probably true.
Thanks for the games Eric!
Gg.
But please don't stream snipe next time😉
@andrewsemenenko8826 I always mute when playing someone who is streaming but I appreciate the concern
I am very curious on how you did Thais variant
@@brighamaldrich" trust me bro"
@@brighamaldrich judging by the timing of the candidate moves you probably would make that Eric is mentioning, it did seem like you were stream sniping, but im guessing ur being honest
When I was younger, we played a variant that was normal chess, but you can take your own pieces. It sounds dumb, but there are surprise tricky situations and sacs that you don't see in other games. 😅
1. Kxe2
(Accelerated Bongcloud gambit, r/AnarchyChess variant.)
18:46 I spotted the nastiest tactic Eric could have done. You freeze the queen and bishop, play queen takes E4 and, duck to E2.
That’s cool but what if opponent just counterfreezes?
I like how this has nearly 2500 possible moves per turn now which is even higher than the most complex of board games
I need a 10 hours video about this
Now we need Duck Spell Bughouse 4-Player Fog of War 960 Fairy Chess with En Passant being forced.
agreed
15:03 Eric Rosen almost hanged his queen if his opponent’s jump spell is ready because this really would be the accidental Botez Gambit Accepted, is his opponent’s jump spell is ready and if they know to jump take the queen and block with the duck.
Opponent was too unlucky for being 1 away from almost getting a free queen.
at 14:37 you could've played Qh4 and duck g3. Opponent has no spells and is forced to move the duck and his king so you jump and win the queen.
What about responding with duck f4 or g4 to prevent the Queen from jumping?
Cant play G4 because of the Checkmate threat. They could play Kd1 and duck G4 though, which seems to work.
@@concernedcommenter8258 does that not just lose the queen to exd4?
I think after Qh4 duck g3, white can play Kf1 and duck c6. Then if you take with the queen with the pawn or the jump you lose to bishop takes king because the jump recharged.
@@christiaangildenhuys1293that's crazy. as if duck chess or spell chess weren't complicated enough on their own
The ultimate chessform.
100%
Brigham is really good at duck spell chess, finding a lot of strong moves
Chess 2 Beta is looking crazy!
That's exactly how I feel every time I play regular chess.
0:53 Duck e2, preventing him from pulling a hikaru and doing the bongcloud 😂
At 18:57 I think the opponent could have played freeze d7 Qd7 duck f1 and if I'm not mistaken you can't counter-freeze the queen because she is in the middle of the freeze box! You can only counter-freeze centred on squares that aren't frozen.
I love how seriously Eric commentates on such a ridiculous variant.
Now this with atomic there will be so many different mates LOL.
4:37 How non chess players feel when they see a chess video.
@18:32 Why couldn't Eric just take the knight with check!!? Duck was already blocking his king to keep it safe!
Up next: atomic spell chess. Every game starts with M1
I saw the four player duck spell chess pop up at the end. I'd love to see that.
At 16:43 on move 6 for white, isn't queen e8 and duck c6 checkmate?
I thought the same, but maybe he could have frozen the bishop
On your timestamp it's Blacks turn, so it doesn't make sense, and if you are talking about the previous turn, you would lose immediately because you hang the king
@@MatsMatsuo siriocorvino means at 15:56, when it's white's turn. eric's freeze spell was on cooldown. i was thinking the same thing, don't see why it wouldn't work
That’s what I thought too but it hangs Qxe1 for black, using a jump spell
At 11:00, I think he could have frozen the queen, Be3 (threatening to jump the pawn to take the queen), and d@c7.
This is all way too complex for me, but at 6:26 I was curious about Bb5. You're threatening to either jump over the pawn with your bishop to take the king, or to jump over your own pawn with your rook to take the queen. So basically you're winning their queen. Maybe there's a way to stop it, I wouldn't be surprised with all the different spells.
14:49, Qh4 and Duck g3 I think it was winning, because you guarantee nothing will be blocking the diagonal on the king on your turn, and you are simultaneosly threatning to take the queen on D4. Forking both King and queen by jump spells and White is forced to move the king and lose the queen.
What you can learn by that is that the duck is a interesting thing to use in combination with the jump spell If the opponent jump spells is in cool down, by forking 2 jumpable pieces and blocking one of them toa void they blocking with the duck on your turn, although this only works if there is only 1 blockable square, in this case it was G3. I think Eric accidentally made a smart knight sacrifice trap, but didn't manage to correctly follow up. This is an incredibly specific tatical theme.
We need a duck spell chess tournament
4 player spell duck atomic hoard 4D chess 960
What are we even playing anymore
This is so cool. I'm looking forward to some advanced tactics in the future
8:27 I was like "FREEZE THE QUEEEN"
Curious if bishop-knight balance is restored by the jump spell, compared with ordinary duck chess.
16:30 wasn't Qe8+ Duck c6 mate in 2? Because Kxe8 has to move the duck, and then Bxe8 with the jump spell :D
At 17min, I think Queen takes Knight on g2, duck f1 would have been strong. It'd force white to freeze to stop the queen, but then Eric has his queen in close and move it point blank and freeze the king from escaping, while opponent has no way to use the duck or jump to take Eric's queen. I think forcing your opponent to freeze when you don't have to counter freeze is really strong. Unfortunately, Eric quickly discarded any idea of the knight capture early on.
At 8:55, can you play jump spell G7, then pawn takes H8?
I love when Eric plays variants!
This is surely a variations that are more fun and very good for the future of chess for non competetive players and people that only want to enjoy chess loving this
8:40 here you have pawn f6 jump to take rook and promote
This variant feels like atomic chess where you can just lose immediately if you don't know theory.
U could’ve maybe jumped the rook over your knight to next to your king to save it in the first game. This is so complex tho, super fun games!
its interesting.
with the spells bishops get so incredibly stronger.
but the duck helps them keep in check.
This looks like a really nice variant. I feel like in duck chess the sliding pieces are too weak because the duck can very effectively neutralize them, but the jump spell makes them powerful again.
Eric, this is kind of a crazy idea but what about taking just the audio from this video and making some sort of abstract asmr video with quiet music? Like the words in this video you're saying don't sound like they should make any sense lol. IDK I feel like it could be a pretty legendary video
if the opponent has only a few pieces left and you freeze all of them then is that stalemate?
05:14 QxR and duck blocks White Q? Unless the duck can be jumped over, I dunno.
11:14 insane duck spell chess opening trap
3:23
So many clicking!
15:54 Eric missed 6. Freeze-d7 Qe8 Duck-c6, but then I think black has 6... Freeze e8 Qxe4 winning white's queen.
Trouble is with this, I can just about calculate enough to have a decent sense of what’s going on in one of the variants, but combine them together and I’m so clueless!
My brain got hot watching chess for the first time in a long time
Fr I love this feeling. Normal tactics just don't do it anymore.
22:02 you could have moven your king and duck first rank to save your queen
Next: *Duck Spell Chess960*
I think the internet has fulfilled its purpose
Now just add Pocket Knight to this, then you basically have a game where... You can place a single Knight anywhere on board on an empty square once per game, you can jump or freeze, once every few turns, and are forced to move the Duck every turn, all while playing your standard game of Chess!
That endgame was so so so confusing haha😂
So many tricky moves. On move 6 I think the black queen could jump over the pawn to take the rook and block the white queen with the duck for example…
And on move 7 I think Eric could have taken the queen with his queen, freezing the knight and blocking the rook with a duck!
Oh no he was out of freeze…
The more I watch Eric, the more I realise Duck chess is a legit chess variant along with Fischer Random, Indian chess and japanese chess (and so on)
you should do a duck spell chess series where you challenge other streamers in duck chess, then spell chess then duck spell chess and see if they can keep up😂
@16:25 is it not forced mate with Qe8 duck c6 king has to take and move the duck and bishop jump the king
@16:37 couldn't the opponent sac the Q on e8 place the duck on c6 and win the next move with the bishop jump taking on e8?
8:23 what about Nh3 "sacrificing" the knight?
If Qxh1 then Qxh1 by jumping over the king
If Qxh3 then Rxh3 by jumping over the pawn
Nevermind, the duck prevents the Queen from recapturing
14:51 I would play duck g3. Opponent can't stop the check so had to move the king, then they lose the queen to the pawn?
Finally, I can rest peacefully now
1:52 so real
I have four words:
Fischer Random Duck Chess
16:49 would it be a good move for queen takes e4 then freeze e6 then duck e5
4:12 thoughts on Bb5 Duckd7 ?
They said "spell duck chess?" and I said "D U C K C H E S S"
instead of Qh4+duck c6, he could have played Qh4+duck g3, to have a mate & queen threat simultaniously
Chess 2 looks awesome! Would be even better with more time on the clock
6:27 you could just take the queen and froze the knight
Would duck chess be better if black placed the duck before white’s first turn?
I made chess 4.0 and it’s called Fatal modified fourth king of the hill
More of this please!
Next escalation level when mixed with Kung-Fu chess?
The funniest thing to me is seeing 5. freeze@b6 b4 Θd7,... is one move
Somehow this isnt overbearing i like this
you can make custom variants. and in there you can add multiple ducks too!!!!
Would have been OP if you could freeze the duck for a move.
Wait in a four player game of spell chess, what happens if three players all freeze one guy? Is it stalemate? Is it checkmate? Does the frozen player just time out???
magine 5D duck spell chess
1:51
On move 7 on 2nd game, couldn't you have taken the e4 4 pawn, and frozen the bishop and queen, royal fork and take the queen?
At 20 minutes, wouldn't knight to F6 have been better? As white would be forced to move the king like he did and he wouldve lost his queen instead of the bishop?
5:17 Could the opponent have jumped over a2 to take the rook and block with the duck?
I did not know I needed this
Imagine this madness + crazyhouse
Oh no, my free time!
This is the Turducken of chess
I think one side should be given only duck powers and the other side only spell powers and the starting position is any of the random starting position of chess 960 . And Eric plays both sides . 😊
but it’s actually a “4 player” game where two players control two armies with different powers
I thought the same, but then I thought that the duck player probably simply has no defense against freeze checkmates. You can just cannonball your queen directly into the enemy castle, cast freeze, and win next turn. Not just your queen, any piece can do it really, and the duck might be able to stop checkmate in some cases, but not in most.
I don't think that variant would work if the duck could be spell jumped. It would be a blocker that wouldn't actually block, twice.
This is mental
“D-U-C-K chess” aka “spell duck chess”
I want to see this play with extra time; 10 or 15 minutes.
Not quite fun when players make quick moves and blunder because of time trouble.
(I know the player who challenge decide the clock, so pls challenge Eric with bigger clock.)
Eric you had Qh4 duck g3
And he couldnt do anything next turn with no spells so just jump and win the king
960 atomic duck spell chess video incoming?