I've used the atlas anas before. They're boring compared to some of the other stuff on the market. Try and get your hands on Lomo, Cooke or Hawk anamorphic glass. That stuff is straight up sexiness.
Solen Yagihara I’d love to try out more anamorphic lenses, just haven’t had the chance yet! Especially vintage ones. I didn’t find them boring at all though, I loved the look way more than spherical glass.
Still doable with Isco or Kowa anamorphic adapters, trust me you get some sick sharp images from vintage lens, at a fraction of the price. But need tons of research.
If anyone is interested, 40mm and 65mm work on the MoviPro. The 100mm requires a Ronin 2 to get it balanced. This at least what we found when flying heavy lift drones with Red Epic-W or Arri MiniLF and these lenses.
Thanks. Trying to figure out if I should buy this lens kit for my youtube channel. I think anamorphic woodworking would set me apart. Well in general it would set me apart
I love the honesty and enthusiasm with which you narrate. Sometimes filmmakers tend to become too snarky or seem arrogant in their videos. One doesn't feel that in your videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, I appreciate that! I try to keep things down to earth and real. I hate pretentious filmmakers that think they're better than everyone else! haha
Willem Probst yeah, go watch the video we shot, it’s all Anamorphic footage we shot with the rig! ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html Thanks for watching!
I used to not be able to tell the difference between spherical and Anamorphic lenses. But now that I can tell the difference, I REALLY want to use them. This is awesome!! Great for you man!
Marcos Rocha yeah dude, once you start noticing the difference between spherical and anamorphic, you’ll never be able to un-see it again! 😂 they were a lot of fun to shoot with. I’m sure you’ll have a project someday that needs them.
That B-kit from Atlas Orion sounds really great. It's the focal lengths that you'd use to shoot an action movie. I just did the calculations (using full frame 35mm photography film equivalent). With the EF mount and a 0.71x speedbooster, mounted on a BMPCC 4k (with its 1.9x crop), the B-kit lenses become: 21.5mm, 33.5mm, and 54mm. Which are the 3 kinds of lenses you'd need to shoot a whole Tarantino-style movie with. At $28k though, still kinda steep for most of us.
Eugenia Loli yeah, they’re really awesome lenses! I think the focal lengths are nearly perfect for what I need and apparently for the next Tarantino movie as well! Haha! I haven’t seen anyone adapt them to the Pocket 4k yet, but if someone does, I’d love to see it!
AR 23 haha! 😂 Thank you. Blackmagic really did pull something amazing off with this cam, I’ve been very impressed with the image quality and color science so far.
Vigan Shpuza hey thanks man!! Yeah, sometimes I just get super stoked about camera gear. My wife is sick of hearing me rant about gear, so I just rant on videos 😂
Chadwin, You can shoot anamorphic in any resolution and any codec and any FPS. Anamorphic mode is super limiting. It’s annoying that BlackMagic only allows you to preview 2x desqueeze on the built in display by shooting in the “anamorphic mode.” But you could just use an external monitor from Atomos to desqueeze (in 2x or 1.33x and more) and then you could shoot in 6k BRAW or 4K prores And if shooting with the full sensor makes too wide an image you can cut off the sides in post. Your ending up with a much more cropped image by shooting in anamorphic mode. It’s no wonder you favored the 32mm. I would recommend trying shooting with the full sensor next time. Favor anamorphic lenses with 1.33x desqueeze for that reason.
JSFILMZ check out this livestream I did all about getting clients and pricing, might help. And yes, I do my own taxes right now, I have used an accountant a few times in the past tho. ruclips.net/video/d5s462rRkJU/видео.html
JSFILMZ hey sorry man, I’m actually in AZ and barely know enough to get my own done, haha! But I’m sure a few google searches will help you find what you need for TX Tax laws.
Blackmagic cameras are Really great, they have so many advantages! but what i can say is, sony has WAY better autofocus, whereas BM doesn't have it at all for continuous AF.
Great video. You should check out the new Laowa Proteus 2X anamorphic lens, they are coming in at 5K each... bringing anamorphic even cheaper to 6K users.
Hi, thanks for this video!! Please make more with this set up if you can! Quick question: Can you shoot in the recording format 6K 2.4:1 with these lenses instead of 3.7K anamorphic?
Can you shoot in, for example 6k, and desqueeze the image in your ext. monitor (like the shinobi) or in post? Or it has to be always in that 3.7k mode? - Great video by the way!
zFaanTeee yeah, you could probably do that to get the full 6k resolution. However, when you de squeeze the image later in post production, it won’t be your standard widescreen 2:39:1 ratio, it will be much wider and more skinny. 3.7k windows the sensor and creates the correct aspect ratio.
Gio Roof Expert yeah I would recommend shooting anamorphic mode internally. I don’t actually use the NINJA V for external recording cause the 6k does internal prores
@@chadwin Id be interested to see the 6k raw desqueezed and cropped in a 4k timeline to the right ratio v. the anamorphic mode. Im thinking it may be pretty similar
Josh Kidd Films yeah, I haven’t tried shooting in normal 6k with anamorphics yet to see how it would look. But next time I rent them, I’ll def experiment with it.
Such a pity our local rental did not purchase ef interchangeable mount for these and all pl to ef/ mft adapters on the market seem sort of fishy. Had a chance to use those on a rented Gemini 5k body, they didn't do too well unless there was strong backlight or bokehlicious background :/
Yeah, that is a bummer! I've talked to a couple rental houses that only have the PL version as well, which is dumb cause they're missing out on everyone that would've rented them for EF! I agree with your experience there, the lenses look their best with a great bokeh background or good backlight, otherwise their unique qualities don't shine through near as strong.
cem gül yes, something like that is coming soon! Currently working on a full gimbal rig for the Pocket 6k. Shoulder cinema rig for the 6k is after that. I just need more time in my life....lol!
Would love to see more about your rig. Looks crazy front heavy, but since your using the tilta nano couldn’t you slide the shoulder pad further to the front and get the camera further back? Or would the camera be to wide and scratch you face?
Z Red yeah, it’s pretty front heavy with the lenses but it’s not too bad. You could definitely rearrange the shoulder pads and v mount battery some to help counterweight it. I’m gonna make another video all about the shoulder rig soon
I havent used these lenses specifically, but might be on an upcoming project... Looking at the lenses, is there a filter thread on the front? It kida looks like there is one. Would be nice to attached a clear glass filter to protect the lens
Michael Frymus yeah, I definitely recommend them for any project that has the budget for them. They do have a 100mm front thread, so you could add a filter. I just opted to use a matte box and filters cause it was easier for me.
Yeah man, it’s one of my favorite pieces cause I can Mount my monitor right in front of the handle and keep it low profile. amzn.to/3okvime Cool thing is it’s actually half off on Amazon right now too I just saw.
Max Soto yeah, trust me you’d love it! They’re definitely very heavy lenses so I shot shoulder rig, handheld and slider the whole time. I don’t have a strong enough gimbal or the muscles to hold them up all day. 😂
Paritosh Nayak Zeiss, Cooke, and all the other anamorphics are gorgeous as well, but much more expensive to rent or buy. Atlas Orion’s are the cheapest, but best anamorphics on the market IMO.
Michael Simo I used the 32mm on the 6k for a handful of shots and it looked nice. If you watch the ad I posted in the description, there’s a shot of a girl playing guitar, that should give you an idea of the 32mm look
Lasha Nebieridze thanks man! Yeah, I think I’d actually buy the 50 mm if I could only buy one, but the 32mm is very close second. I like the wide field of view on the 32, but the shallow depth of field and less distortion is nice on the 50.
Do you think the BMPCC 6K + Orion Atlas Anamorphic lenses would balance on the Ronin RS2 since that has a higher weight capacity? Or is it an issue of size (being too big to not hit the stabilizer's arms)?
@@chadwin I managed to balance the BMPCC 6K + Helios 58mm + Kowa B&H + Rectilux HardcoreDNA (Vari-Diopter) on the RS2... sure, absolutely at it's limits then ;) ... don't recall the exact weight of that combo but I can't really imagine it's (much) less than the Atlas... still have to rent one and try
Amazing video bro! Keep em coming☄🏅 What size of filters you are using with the fotga dp500? I have dp3000 matte box, you reckon 4x4 103mm filter would work with the atlas orions? Cheers🏆🤘
i got the EF mount versions of the lens. the rental house i got them from offered both options, they just had to know in advance to swap the mount. luckily many cine lenses have user interchangeable mounts now!
My biggest issue with this is that anamorphic mode crops the hell out of the 6K sensor, throwing away half the sensor if you use 2x Orions. I'd rather try & find a 1.5x so I can use the full 6K to get a Cinemascope 2.66x. Granted 1.5x'ers are a bit tought to find, but not impossible.
SilverSulu he’s super mistaken about only being able to shoot anamorphic in “anamorphic mode” you can shoot in any resolution BRAW or ProRes (both codecs allow for no sensor windowing) and you can set the built in display to desqueeze 1.33X If you want to get a live preview with desqueeze of 2x or 1.5x or whatever you’ll have to use a capable external monitor like the atomos ninja V... I know all this because I have the bmpcc 6k and I shoot anamorphic all the time with the full 6k sensor. No wonder he is only wanting to use the 32mm lens because he’s shooting with a windows sensor for no reason. There is no reason you can’t shoot anamorphic in any of the available resolutions. 👍🏻
Peter Olejnik that’s true! Sirui is changing the game with their new Anamorphics. Unfortunately they’re only 1.3x squeeze so it doesn’t have nearly the effect and quality of true cinema scope. These are 2x squeeze and cover full frame like you said, so much much nicer, but the price is way out of the park for most everyone, myself included. Even the Vazen lenses are only 1.8x squeeze and don’t even cover APSC sadly
Setup looks awesome. Footage looks just ok, nothing special. And no reason to use anamorphic lenses to get those simple shots. Not a hate, but it made an ANTI advertisement for me. I guess it can be amazing in right hands. PS. Please, put less talking head to reviews. Work more on real footage and cinematography.
Just another example of how lighting and production design make all the difference! This was bmpcc and atlas orions: ruclips.net/video/TQ6SGvMUwUE/видео.html
no offense, but im not sure you know what an anamorphic lens actually is. but I honestly wouldn't fret over it, they're not meant to be bought by the average film maker. they create them to be rented by studios. Most of us dont love or hate lenses, they're either right for the job or they're not. obviously theres quality issues with cheaper lenses that can cause us to not like them, but thats a clinical reason. some of your favorite movies were shot on anamorphic lenses. this was a discussion of high quality anamorphic lenses, not a film.
I thought these were Super 35 lenses, not full frame large format. They have an adapter to make them full frame, I thought. Why would they crop in extra on a super 35 sensor, it is confusing.
CoolhandLukeSkywalkr the atlas lenses are actually larger than Super 35 by a bit. The image circle covers up to 31mm. So not quite full frame at 35mm. However, since the stretch the image so wide, it should basically cover a full frame.
@@chadwin Yes but not only that. You can also reframe and you actually have more VERTICAL resolution too, because, for some reason, on the 6K the anamorphic mode also crops away at the bottom and top.
@@Helsingborg36 if you use the full 6k sensor vs the 3.7k anamorphic mode is there still a way to desqeeze the footage in the monitor ? I belive its in the settings somewhere?
How do you feel about the smallhd focus monitor. I was going to buy it but there are a lot of bad reviews, talking about the fragile screen. Was your experience with smallhd or the atomos shinobi monitor?
David Perez I actually really love the SmallHD Focus! I’ve never had any bad issues with it. The screen seem pretty durable unless maybe you drop it face down on concrete or rocks 🤷🏼♂️ I like it better than the Shinobi because you can pinch to zoom in, it’s lighter, and doesn’t get as hot. ruclips.net/video/Fe39chNMYOs/видео.html
Chadwin Smith thanks a lot for the quick response! What would feel about the smallhd focus oled vs the lcd? Have you tried it? The brightness is just the only thing for me to pull the trigger. Really aprecciate your opinion!
David Perez yeah, I haven’t tried the OLED version yet. I know the LCD is 800 NITS but not sure what the OLED is. It’s definitely not the brightest monitor ever, but with a hood or staying out of direct sunlight it’s good enough.
Hey Chadwin, thank you for the informative video. I'm interested in picking up a pocket 6k but there's 1 bit of information I can't find anywhere. On BM's website, it states that the 3.7k anamorphic is windowed. (Not full s35 sensor) How is it windowed? is it fullsensor height 4x3 when using 2x? or is it cropped in on the sensor to only occupy the 3.7k portion of the 6k sensor since it is 3.7k BM Raw? I understand that the width will be doubled after desqueeze, but it would be good to know the rough crop factor in anamorphic.
Presumably, sensor windows to conform to 2.35/2.39 aspect ratio, otherwise you end up with an extremely wide frame that wouldn't find much practical use. This is because while having in camera desqueeze options, bmpcc4k/bmpcc6k are not well suited for use with anamorphic lenses because sensor aspect is 1.85:1. You need to have a 4:3 aspect sensor (found in Gh5/alexa mini etc) to utilize full potential of those 2x squeeze lenses.
@@DastanZhumagulov Thanks for the reply, I actually found the specs for the exact video resolution, at 3.7k being (3728 x 3104) which approximates to about a 5:4 aspect ratio. (with 2x desqueeze becomes 2.5:1 in camera) I overlayed that on top of the full 6k (6144 x 3456) and I got an idea of the crop. It's still nearly full sensor height with only a 352 pixel vertical crop, and the diagonal crop factor without desqueeze is 1.45, with a 2x desqueeze it is 0.87. The majority of the crop comes from the width changing from 16:9 to a 5:4 ratio, which gets equalized in post desqueeze. With my calculations based on the vertical pixel crop, a 50mm 2x anamorphic will become a 55mm vertical and 27.5mm horizontal, factoring in the 1.56x apsc crop, becoming a FF equivalent FOV of 85.8mm Vertical and 42.9mm horizontal after desqueeze.
@@sifanren7288 Hey man! It's a 6:5 sensor mode for this anamorphic. 6/5 = 1.2. 1.2 x 2x de-squeeze = 2.40:1 CinemaScope. The sensor is a very small "window" - there is only a 10% sensor height crop of the S35 sensor. The sensor's height here is x3456, but the 6:5 anamorphic mode height is x3104. Historically, 4:3 anamorphic capture was the industry standard for motion film, but with the digital age, there is really only one other standard besides 4:3 that is used for anamorphic capture, and it is 6:5.
@@chadwinI guess then it would be okay for someone trying to replicate the ultrawide aspect ratio from Ben Hur or The Hateful Eight, but otherwise, you could crop the sides of the image to fit the normal widescreen ratio. Then again, it would be a little difficult to frame your shots that way.
David Tate yeah. If you want ultra ultra wide and skinny, you definitely could. The thing is, once you crop in to cut off the edges and get a more normal aspect ratio, you’re losing all the extra resolution anyways...that’s why I just use the 3.7k anamorphic mode and then upres to 4k.
The Filmmaking Channel the glass DEFINITELY helps make the image what it is, but I’ve seen these on Sony’s before and they def look better on blackmagics and reds
b w yeah, I like to see example footage too, but this video was more about the physical lenses and camera setup. Be sure to check out the ad I made, it has all anamorphic footage from the rig! ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html
GWM-BTD Battles, Agar.Io and more! Hahaha yeah I’ve actually seen a few close friends mount them on the a7sii. It looks ridiculous but the image is actually good.
8k just so it looks big and heavy, actual footage not impressed at all, my stock £500 lens looks less digital and delivers what it says km on the tin. And the reviewer himself agrees because he put less than 5 seconds of actual footage
Quantay Peoples wow.....definitely not about race man. And if you listen, I said “may be affordable to some larger productions but not to most videographers like myself”. I rented them, I can’t afford that!
Have you ever shot with anamorphic lenses? If you could only you use spherical or anamorphic lenses forever, what would you choose? 🤔🤷🏼♂️
I've used the atlas anas before. They're boring compared to some of the other stuff on the market. Try and get your hands on Lomo, Cooke or Hawk anamorphic glass. That stuff is straight up sexiness.
Solen Yagihara I’d love to try out more anamorphic lenses, just haven’t had the chance yet! Especially vintage ones. I didn’t find them boring at all though, I loved the look way more than spherical glass.
All day Long shoot with this lens on my camera... My body hurts!
Heavy lens, but i Love them. :D
FlyingEyes sounds like you get a good deal on lens rentals! And yes, it’s a heavy setup so I’m definitely worn out after a long shoot day.
@@chadwin oh yeah, but the most time, the lens is on the way, and you can't rent it for the project on the day 🤣 that's the down side
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Cahayamata Studio 😂😂🥺🥺 sad but true!
We don't need that set up. There are other ways.
That's because he has cinema lens.
Still doable with Isco or Kowa anamorphic adapters, trust me you get some sick sharp images from vintage lens, at a fraction of the price. But need tons of research.
If anyone is interested, 40mm and 65mm work on the MoviPro. The 100mm requires a Ronin 2 to get it balanced. This at least what we found when flying heavy lift drones with Red Epic-W or Arri MiniLF and these lenses.
Thanks. Trying to figure out if I should buy this lens kit for my youtube channel. I think anamorphic woodworking would set me apart. Well in general it would set me apart
I love the honesty and enthusiasm with which you narrate. Sometimes filmmakers tend to become too snarky or seem arrogant in their videos. One doesn't feel that in your videos. Keep up the great work!
Thanks, I appreciate that! I try to keep things down to earth and real. I hate pretentious filmmakers that think they're better than everyone else! haha
@@chadwin Best wishes again. Cheers!
Less talk, show us more actual footage. Other then that, great review! I have been waiting for someone to do this setup. Thanks for the video!
Willem Probst yeah, go watch the video we shot, it’s all Anamorphic footage we shot with the rig! ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html
Thanks for watching!
I used to not be able to tell the difference between spherical and Anamorphic lenses. But now that I can tell the difference, I REALLY want to use them. This is awesome!! Great for you man!
Marcos Rocha yeah dude, once you start noticing the difference between spherical and anamorphic, you’ll never be able to un-see it again! 😂 they were a lot of fun to shoot with. I’m sure you’ll have a project someday that needs them.
I love how you get all excited about the lenses! ~You've got so much passion man. That's awesome!
That B-kit from Atlas Orion sounds really great. It's the focal lengths that you'd use to shoot an action movie. I just did the calculations (using full frame 35mm photography film equivalent). With the EF mount and a 0.71x speedbooster, mounted on a BMPCC 4k (with its 1.9x crop), the B-kit lenses become: 21.5mm, 33.5mm, and 54mm. Which are the 3 kinds of lenses you'd need to shoot a whole Tarantino-style movie with. At $28k though, still kinda steep for most of us.
Eugenia Loli yeah, they’re really awesome lenses! I think the focal lengths are nearly perfect for what I need and apparently for the next Tarantino movie as well! Haha! I haven’t seen anyone adapt them to the Pocket 4k yet, but if someone does, I’d love to see it!
Chadwin:Hey filmmakers!
Me: sitting in my bed, eating cheetos and being unproductive...
Paulus Krasserus 😂😂 wait Cheetos actually sound really good right now. 😋
mah brother
I LIKE YOUR PASSION, BLACKMAGIC DID WHAT RED PROMISED WHEN THEY SAID THEY WOULD MAKE AN AFFORDABLE CAMERA...BM IS KING
AR 23 haha! 😂 Thank you. Blackmagic really did pull something amazing off with this cam, I’ve been very impressed with the image quality and color science so far.
@@chadwin color science 5 is amazing
that expression at the end, I feel your enthusiasm bro! great job
Vigan Shpuza hey thanks man!! Yeah, sometimes I just get super stoked about camera gear. My wife is sick of hearing me rant about gear, so I just rant on videos 😂
@@chadwin 🤣
Chadwin,
You can shoot anamorphic in any resolution and any codec and any FPS. Anamorphic mode is super limiting.
It’s annoying that BlackMagic only allows you to preview 2x desqueeze on the built in display by shooting in the “anamorphic mode.”
But you could just use an external monitor from Atomos to desqueeze (in 2x or 1.33x and more) and then you could shoot in 6k BRAW or 4K prores
And if shooting with the full sensor makes too wide an image you can cut off the sides in post.
Your ending up with a much more cropped image by shooting in anamorphic mode. It’s no wonder you favored the 32mm. I would recommend trying shooting with the full sensor next time. Favor anamorphic lenses with 1.33x desqueeze for that reason.
Thanks for sharing Chad, those crystals look sweet!!! 👍
Mimo Reque hey thanks! Yeah, it’s the nicest glass I’ve ever shot on. Big fan.
how do you get your clients and do you do your own taxes for your commercial shoots?
JSFILMZ check out this livestream I did all about getting clients and pricing, might help. And yes, I do my own taxes right now, I have used an accountant a few times in the past tho.
ruclips.net/video/d5s462rRkJU/видео.html
@@chadwin awesome can you give me a link on texas' taxes when it comes to videography? Your in texas right?Thanks man
JSFILMZ hey sorry man, I’m actually in AZ and barely know enough to get my own done, haha! But I’m sure a few google searches will help you find what you need for TX Tax laws.
thanks for doing this video, no one else has yet!!
Doug Armstrong of course, thanks for watching! I really wish there was more anamorphic footage out there
Well, we did with Stray Angel a few months ago: ruclips.net/video/QjxIlV3uhY8/видео.html
I wish I knew about the black magic when I was looking up cameras. The sony a7iii was the one camera kept pushing.
Blackmagic cameras are Really great, they have so many advantages! but what i can say is, sony has WAY better autofocus, whereas BM doesn't have it at all for continuous AF.
Another lovely video man loved it
Paritosh Nayak thanks so much for watching! 👊🏻
Great video! What adapter did you use to mount the PL lenses to the BMPCC EF ?
Any ideas on the adapter?
These lenses come in EF mount option
Cool Video. Thanks Man.
Sobhan Gh hey thanks for watching!!
Great work!!!!💯💪🏾🔥🙏🏾
Thanks 💯
THANK YOU for this.
Jennifer Pirante of course, thanks for watching!!
Beautiful lenses. I hope to get a set for my next feature film.
Axel Arzola yes, they’re definitely worth shooting on if you can! Such a gorgeous image.
Great video. You should check out the new Laowa Proteus 2X anamorphic lens, they are coming in at 5K each... bringing anamorphic even cheaper to 6K users.
Hi, thanks for this video!! Please make more with this set up if you can! Quick question: Can you shoot in the recording format 6K 2.4:1 with these lenses instead of 3.7K anamorphic?
Same question!
Waoo he didn’t respond 😭
Can you shoot in, for example 6k, and desqueeze the image in your ext. monitor (like the shinobi) or in post? Or it has to be always in that 3.7k mode? - Great video by the way!
zFaanTeee yeah, you could probably do that to get the full 6k resolution. However, when you de squeeze the image later in post production, it won’t be your standard widescreen 2:39:1 ratio, it will be much wider and more skinny. 3.7k windows the sensor and creates the correct aspect ratio.
I think you loose quality doing it that way as the internal recording has a higher bit rate than what the shinobi can process
Gio Roof Expert yeah I would recommend shooting anamorphic mode internally. I don’t actually use the NINJA V for external recording cause the 6k does internal prores
@@chadwin Id be interested to see the 6k raw desqueezed and cropped in a 4k timeline to the right ratio v. the anamorphic mode. Im thinking it may be pretty similar
Josh Kidd Films yeah, I haven’t tried shooting in normal 6k with anamorphics yet to see how it would look. But next time I rent them, I’ll def experiment with it.
Lol glad to hear you're using Davinci. Welcome brother.
eantays 😂😂 Yep! I’m not using it all the time, but I do use it to edit BRAW, colorgrade, etc. I’m still using FCPX as my main editor
@@chadwin but now you see what I mean about it's color grading potential!
Such a pity our local rental did not purchase ef interchangeable mount for these and all pl to ef/ mft adapters on the market seem sort of fishy. Had a chance to use those on a rented Gemini 5k body, they didn't do too well unless there was strong backlight or bokehlicious background :/
Yeah, that is a bummer! I've talked to a couple rental houses that only have the PL version as well, which is dumb cause they're missing out on everyone that would've rented them for EF! I agree with your experience there, the lenses look their best with a great bokeh background or good backlight, otherwise their unique qualities don't shine through near as strong.
Nice video bro!
AZ Barber haha thanks dude! Great BTS shots and boxing skills
please make a video about BMPCC 6K cinema rig which similar to your A7S video
cem gül yes, something like that is coming soon! Currently working on a full gimbal rig for the Pocket 6k. Shoulder cinema rig for the 6k is after that. I just need more time in my life....lol!
Chadwin Smith yass!
Vazen 40mm and z cam e2 is the way to go. Dope video though!
Hayden Goldsworthy yeah, the Vazen would be cool! It’s still too expensive for me though. I can only rent anamorphics For now.
Chadwin Smith definitely get that! Checked out the full ad and you killed it dude!
Man you need an Easyrig! Great vid man!
Yeah I do! Haha just haven't spent the money to get one yet....
Would love to see more about your rig. Looks crazy front heavy, but since your using the tilta nano couldn’t you slide the shoulder pad further to the front and get the camera further back? Or would the camera be to wide and scratch you face?
Z Red yeah, it’s pretty front heavy with the lenses but it’s not too bad. You could definitely rearrange the shoulder pads and v mount battery some to help counterweight it. I’m gonna make another video all about the shoulder rig soon
Can you explain what is anamorphic?
this video explains it well! ruclips.net/video/VpxwUb0ww4A/видео.html
BM has since released an update for Premiere Pro.
Villeins09 yeah, I saw that and I’m so jealous! I really wish they would add BRAW support to FCPX cause that’s where I edit quickest.
@@chadwin Lol..It's possible but I highly doubt it..
Villeins09 🥺🥺🥺 I really want it though. Transferring footage between editors sucks.
I havent used these lenses specifically, but might be on an upcoming project... Looking at the lenses, is there a filter thread on the front? It kida looks like there is one. Would be nice to attached a clear glass filter to protect the lens
Michael Frymus yeah, I definitely recommend them for any project that has the budget for them. They do have a 100mm front thread, so you could add a filter. I just opted to use a matte box and filters cause it was easier for me.
Great review!
Also are you a veteran? Saw ur grunt style shirt lol
Where are you located as well if you don’t mind me asking!
Mike Javier thanks man! I’m not, but my father and grandfather are vets. I’ll always support our troops 🇺🇸
I’m based in AZ!
which shoulder rig is that? you didnt post that in the description :)
It's from SmallRig. Go checkout the full breakdown of the rig for more details and all the links! ruclips.net/video/hN9Ybsa7tnE/видео.html
This is very random but what attachment are you using for your on camera monitor? It looks pretty low profile and functional.
Yeah man, it’s one of my favorite pieces cause I can Mount my monitor right in front of the handle and keep it low profile. amzn.to/3okvime
Cool thing is it’s actually half off on Amazon right now too I just saw.
Great video! So if I'm understand correctly you could shoot Hollywood production movie with this setup?
Vlogging Practice well....I mean that’s up to the producers and director of course, but personally I think you could make a great film with it!
@@chadwin Thanx for a fast response. :-)
I would love to try anamorphic. But my concern is the weight and the proper setup to use it properly. One day hopefully I'll be able to use one :)
Max Soto yeah, trust me you’d love it! They’re definitely very heavy lenses so I shot shoulder rig, handheld and slider the whole time. I don’t have a strong enough gimbal or the muscles to hold them up all day. 😂
@@chadwin Ive been comfortable with light setups. Anamorphic will be a whole new experience haha. Great video!!
Max Soto yeah, going light and nimble is perfect for run and gun! It’s definitely a very heavy setup to use all day long.
Why not ziess lenses
Paritosh Nayak Zeiss, Cooke, and all the other anamorphics are gorgeous as well, but much more expensive to rent or buy. Atlas Orion’s are the cheapest, but best anamorphics on the market IMO.
Hey - what length of the Atlas Orion lenses did you use???
What does the 32 look like on the BMPCC4K (or 6K)?
Michael Simo I used the 32mm on the 6k for a handful of shots and it looked nice. If you watch the ad I posted in the description, there’s a shot of a girl playing guitar, that should give you an idea of the 32mm look
oh hey you were on reddit. haha, i thought i recognized the frames
Daymian Mejia haha yep, I shared the video on reddit!
Great video! Which lens is more usable? if you have a chance to buy one lens only? Thanks
Lasha Nebieridze thanks man! Yeah, I think I’d actually buy the 50 mm if I could only buy one, but the 32mm is very close second. I like the wide field of view on the 32, but the shallow depth of field and less distortion is nice on the 50.
Do you think the BMPCC 6K + Orion Atlas Anamorphic lenses would balance on the Ronin RS2 since that has a higher weight capacity? Or is it an issue of size (being too big to not hit the stabilizer's arms)?
unfortunately no. the lenses are def. still way too heavy, large and long for even the RS2. they would work on the much more expensive Ronin 2 though.
@@chadwin I managed to balance the BMPCC 6K + Helios 58mm + Kowa B&H + Rectilux HardcoreDNA (Vari-Diopter) on the RS2... sure, absolutely at it's limits then ;) ... don't recall the exact weight of that combo but I can't really imagine it's (much) less than the Atlas... still have to rent one and try
Amazing video bro! Keep em coming☄🏅
What size of filters you are using with the fotga dp500? I have dp3000 matte box, you reckon 4x4 103mm filter would work with the atlas orions?
Cheers🏆🤘
xeqtrmkd hey thanks man!! Yeah, I use standard 4x4 filters in the fotga mattebox and they cover the front glass element of the atlas lenses fine. 👌🏻
I was wondering the same thing... if my 4x4 glass will work with these lenses. I was advised by a rental house to use the 4x5 glass.
But... How do you attach the lenses? PL adapter or EF version? Most rental houses have the PL version :(
i got the EF mount versions of the lens. the rental house i got them from offered both options, they just had to know in advance to swap the mount. luckily many cine lenses have user interchangeable mounts now!
Do you have any more footage with the 32mm
Kevin Curro yeah, check out the ad we shot. It’s had lots of 32mm footage ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html
What matte box were you using successfully with the Orion's?
Did you use the largest foam ring adapter with the matte box? Or no foam ring at all?
You don't need the foam ring adapter since the lens matches the diameter of the matte box opening, it just fits right around it tightly.
@@chadwin amazing. Thanks!
My biggest issue with this is that anamorphic mode crops the hell out of the 6K sensor, throwing away half the sensor if you use 2x Orions. I'd rather try & find a 1.5x so I can use the full 6K to get a Cinemascope 2.66x. Granted 1.5x'ers are a bit tought to find, but not impossible.
SilverSulu he’s super mistaken about only being able to shoot anamorphic in “anamorphic mode” you can shoot in any resolution BRAW or ProRes (both codecs allow for no sensor windowing) and you can set the built in display to desqueeze 1.33X
If you want to get a live preview with desqueeze of 2x or 1.5x or whatever you’ll have to use a capable external monitor like the atomos ninja V... I know all this because I have the bmpcc 6k and I shoot anamorphic all the time with the full 6k sensor.
No wonder he is only wanting to use the 32mm lens because he’s shooting with a windows sensor for no reason.
There is no reason you can’t shoot anamorphic in any of the available resolutions. 👍🏻
0:21 not anymore. That said, with everyone going FF lenses...this might change. ;)
Peter Olejnik that’s true! Sirui is changing the game with their new Anamorphics. Unfortunately they’re only 1.3x squeeze so it doesn’t have nearly the effect and quality of true cinema scope. These are 2x squeeze and cover full frame like you said, so much much nicer, but the price is way out of the park for most everyone, myself included. Even the Vazen lenses are only 1.8x squeeze and don’t even cover APSC sadly
@@chadwin Looking forward to seeing more shots with what you make. I hope to try out the Cooke and Arri Master Anamorphic with the BMPCC 6k setup.
crop sensor?
abcd yeah the 6k is an APSC crop sensor.
@@chadwin Wasn't it an S35?
what happens, if you use the lense, but stay in the regular 6k option?
you can do that, you will just get a very wide aspect ration when you desqueeze.
How are these lenses with portraits? Always been curious on that. 😃
hi,
which slider did you use on the video ?
Yugi Axel I’m using the iFootage Shark Slider S1
Chadwin Smith thanks you
By the way
Nice video
But too expensive for me those lenses lool
But I’d love to shoot with those one day 🙂
Yugi Axel yeah, thanks for watching! The lenses are WAY too expensive for me also. Thats why I just rent them when the budget affords it.
Great video thanks
are in texas?.. good stuff, congtats!
JT Heggz nope, I’m in Arizona!
Looks dope ! But can you shoot non anamorphic mode on the Pocket 6K with those lenses? or are you restrained to anamorphic only?
you could shoot non anamorphic but then your aspect ration will be super wide and kind of wack.
Good content!
Justin Wetch thanks man!
CORRECTION* you can now easily edit BRaw in premier pro
hi thanks for share.. Which PL adapter did you used? thanks in advance
Thanks for watching! I didn’t actually use a PL adapter. You can get the atlas anamorphics with an EF mount, which is what I did.
Hi brother, can I know what lens support you were using?
it's a basic 15mm rod lens support from smallrig
Setup looks awesome. Footage looks just ok, nothing special. And no reason to use anamorphic lenses to get those simple shots. Not a hate, but it made an ANTI advertisement for me. I guess it can be amazing in right hands.
PS. Please, put less talking head to reviews. Work more on real footage and cinematography.
Just another example of how lighting and production design make all the difference! This was bmpcc and atlas orions: ruclips.net/video/TQ6SGvMUwUE/видео.html
no offense, but im not sure you know what an anamorphic lens actually is. but I honestly wouldn't fret over it, they're not meant to be bought by the average film maker. they create them to be rented by studios. Most of us dont love or hate lenses, they're either right for the job or they're not. obviously theres quality issues with cheaper lenses that can cause us to not like them, but thats a clinical reason. some of your favorite movies were shot on anamorphic lenses. this was a discussion of high quality anamorphic lenses, not a film.
I thought these were Super 35 lenses, not full frame large format. They have an adapter to make them full frame, I thought. Why would they crop in extra on a super 35 sensor, it is confusing.
CoolhandLukeSkywalkr the atlas lenses are actually larger than Super 35 by a bit. The image circle covers up to 31mm. So not quite full frame at 35mm. However, since the stretch the image so wide, it should basically cover a full frame.
when you dont use the anamorphic mode you get a bit wider FOV.
Z Red yeah! I just wanted the exact 2:39 aspect ration, but you could definitely go wider out of anamorphic mode
@@chadwin Yes but not only that. You can also reframe and you actually have more VERTICAL resolution too, because, for some reason, on the 6K the anamorphic mode also crops away at the bottom and top.
@@Helsingborg36 if you use the full 6k sensor vs the 3.7k anamorphic mode is there still a way to desqeeze the footage in the monitor ? I belive its in the settings somewhere?
could you link me to the lens support you used? as well as some drop in 4x4 filters? they don't come with the matte box right? I just ordered it
Hi! Is that lens PL mount? If yes, how did you managed to mount it on the pocket 6k?
Nice! Btw what’s the shoulder rig?
weeq326 thanks! The shoulder rig is all made of SmallRig parts.
Will the sirui anamorphic lens with on the 6k
TheSonicwill sadly no. They don’t make EF Mount. Only e mount, micro 4/3, and I think can R mount
"my favorite lens is 32mm" doesnt show 32 mm
Thanks bro for a video.
Have you tried em on rs2 gimbal?
How do you feel about the smallhd focus monitor. I was going to buy it but there are a lot of bad reviews, talking about the fragile screen. Was your experience with smallhd or the atomos shinobi monitor?
David Perez I actually really love the SmallHD Focus! I’ve never had any bad issues with it. The screen seem pretty durable unless maybe you drop it face down on concrete or rocks 🤷🏼♂️ I like it better than the Shinobi because you can pinch to zoom in, it’s lighter, and doesn’t get as hot. ruclips.net/video/Fe39chNMYOs/видео.html
Chadwin Smith thanks a lot for the quick response! What would feel about the smallhd focus oled vs the lcd? Have you tried it? The brightness is just the only thing for me to pull the trigger. Really aprecciate your opinion!
David Perez yeah, I haven’t tried the OLED version yet. I know the LCD is 800 NITS but not sure what the OLED is. It’s definitely not the brightest monitor ever, but with a hood or staying out of direct sunlight it’s good enough.
@@davidpm41 I am a Smallhd OLED user and it is 500 nits. It will be hard to see the frame under the sunlight. Even in cloudy day.
David Perez it is 350 nits. Not 500. I was wrong
Me looking for money so I can purchase those lenses: y cheque mi casa y cheque mi cuarto y nada
hahahaha you and me both! they're so beautiful but so freaking expensive
@@chadwin I was like "Oh! 7K USD for the trio! not so bad... (suddenly a 20K USD fee appeared) nevermind
i managed to get that same setup on a ronin 1.
Can anyone help me with export settings for highest quality in davinchi with this set up ( atlas Orion/bmpcc6k)
can you please provide link of the shoulder rig?
Whats your shoulder mount rig?
its a mixture of a few parts. smallrig shoulder pad, and some grips from china. links are in description to most parts used!
Where can I rent one of these lenses?
Julio Lucio just google your local rental houses and see if they have any available.
Hey Chadwin, thank you for the informative video. I'm interested in picking up a pocket 6k but there's 1 bit of information I can't find anywhere. On BM's website, it states that the 3.7k anamorphic is windowed. (Not full s35 sensor) How is it windowed? is it fullsensor height 4x3 when using 2x? or is it cropped in on the sensor to only occupy the 3.7k portion of the 6k sensor since it is 3.7k BM Raw? I understand that the width will be doubled after desqueeze, but it would be good to know the rough crop factor in anamorphic.
Presumably, sensor windows to conform to 2.35/2.39 aspect ratio, otherwise you end up with an extremely wide frame that wouldn't find much practical use. This is because while having in camera desqueeze options, bmpcc4k/bmpcc6k are not well suited for use with anamorphic lenses because sensor aspect is 1.85:1. You need to have a 4:3 aspect sensor (found in Gh5/alexa mini etc) to utilize full potential of those 2x squeeze lenses.
@@DastanZhumagulov Thanks for the reply, I actually found the specs for the exact video resolution, at 3.7k being (3728 x 3104) which approximates to about a 5:4 aspect ratio. (with 2x desqueeze becomes 2.5:1 in camera) I overlayed that on top of the full 6k (6144 x 3456) and I got an idea of the crop. It's still nearly full sensor height with only a 352 pixel vertical crop, and the diagonal crop factor without desqueeze is 1.45, with a 2x desqueeze it is 0.87. The majority of the crop comes from the width changing from 16:9 to a 5:4 ratio, which gets equalized in post desqueeze. With my calculations based on the vertical pixel crop, a 50mm 2x anamorphic will become a 55mm vertical and 27.5mm horizontal, factoring in the 1.56x apsc crop, becoming a FF equivalent FOV of 85.8mm Vertical and 42.9mm horizontal after desqueeze.
@@sifanren7288 Hey man! It's a 6:5 sensor mode for this anamorphic.
6/5 = 1.2.
1.2 x 2x de-squeeze = 2.40:1 CinemaScope.
The sensor is a very small "window" - there is only a 10% sensor height crop of the S35 sensor. The sensor's height here is x3456, but the 6:5 anamorphic mode height is x3104.
Historically, 4:3 anamorphic capture was the industry standard for motion film, but with the digital age, there is really only one other standard besides 4:3 that is used for anamorphic capture, and it is 6:5.
we barely see any demos in this video. whyyyy
watch the ad we shot all on theses lenses. linked in desc. ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html
i'll stick with samyang cine lenses.. theyre like 400-500 a piece
Alex S yeah, I have all Rokinon Cine DS lenses. If I could afford anamorphic though, I would get them. Lol
@@chadwin true.. i do yhe poor mans anamorphic.. rendering out in anamorphic resolutions and adding the flares in post lol
What shoulder rig is that? And plates? 😍
Found the links in bio now but could you list everything please 😍 I can’t find everything in the kit. Handles, shoulder pad and rails
check out this video and desc. it has more of the exact gear parts listed out! ruclips.net/video/nOXjNYEpzbA/видео.html
What's that tripod dolly at 9:00 ?
what happen if you shoot in 6k?
Potentially you could shoot in 6k, but once you de-squeeze it the footage will be very wide and skinny...way past normal widescreen of 2:39:1
@@chadwinI guess then it would be okay for someone trying to replicate the ultrawide aspect ratio from Ben Hur or The Hateful Eight, but otherwise, you could crop the sides of the image to fit the normal widescreen ratio. Then again, it would be a little difficult to frame your shots that way.
David Tate yeah. If you want ultra ultra wide and skinny, you definitely could. The thing is, once you crop in to cut off the edges and get a more normal aspect ratio, you’re losing all the extra resolution anyways...that’s why I just use the 3.7k anamorphic mode and then upres to 4k.
With glass that good the camera barely matters.
The Filmmaking Channel the glass DEFINITELY helps make the image what it is, but I’ve seen these on Sony’s before and they def look better on blackmagics and reds
what's the shoulder rig?
Jonathan Elia it’s basically a combo of some SmallRig parts and other pieces I got on amazon. I’m working on a full breakdown video soon!
@@chadwin I'll waiting for🔥
I'm about to get this, but couldn't you just put it in 6k 4:3?
DP C hmmm, maybe, I haven’t actually found an option for that.
@@chadwin I got the camera and nothing. I mean, for years we've been doing 5k prores on the gh4 and this camera can't? It boggles the mind.
DP C yeah, I’m not sure why they don’t have it. The anamorphic mode does a crop, but it can only do 3.5k
Just a tip,More footage please.,less seeing you and the camera ,not trying to be mean or rude,but I was definitely looking to see what the Valera do
b w yeah, I like to see example footage too, but this video was more about the physical lenses and camera setup. Be sure to check out the ad I made, it has all anamorphic footage from the rig! ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html
T2, what's that in f?
Benedek Fodor it’s very similar to F2, but the measurements are done slightly different. Google can explain it better than I can! Sorry 😆
Benedek Fodor f1.8 = t2
Imagine one of these on a sony body lmao.
GWM-BTD Battles, Agar.Io and more! Hahaha yeah I’ve actually seen a few close friends mount them on the a7sii. It looks ridiculous but the image is actually good.
@@chadwin haha 💪
for the next time please go out a bit more and shoot more
Nikolai watch the ad I shot, it’s all the final footage. I have hours of raw footage from the shoot.
ruclips.net/video/w7XBPlNjsNQ/видео.html
In Germany, we Pay 350€ for 3 Lens per Day. :p
Bro have you tried your 6k and 40 Orion on rs3 pro?
I haven’t, but honestly these lenses are MASSIVE! They’re difficult To balance on larger gimbals even like the Movi Pro.
@@chadwin i did.it s working yes
@@yaroslavkovalenko6746 that’s awesome! I’d love to see it
I just need to go check my wallet.
its possible to use the gimble
8k just so it looks big and heavy, actual footage not impressed at all, my stock £500 lens looks less digital and delivers what it says km on the tin. And the reviewer himself agrees because he put less than 5 seconds of actual footage
White guy called an $8000 anamorphic lens “affordable”.... sounds about right.
Quantay Peoples wow.....definitely not about race man. And if you listen, I said “may be affordable to some larger productions but not to most videographers like myself”. I rented them, I can’t afford that!
Nice! Btw what’s the shoulder rig?