I remember watching the video from The Police, "Wrapped Around Your Finger," where it's Sting seemingly moving in slow motion while singing in time with the song. It was really mind-blowing when it hit you what was going on. Great use of overcranking and playing with time perception, way back in 1983!
I was a photographer but I've been into videography since about 1 year now.. and it's sooooo much harder. Lighting is very important, microphone quality (boom mic for films etc etc), color grading, good actors etc etc. But It's so much fun if you do it with the right people! 😁
This isn’t practical if you was in the room with them and you had equipment and they walked you through it, that would be practical. Watching a video is passive
I don't understand your issue. The tutorial they posted is easy to replicate yourself. It indeed needs a minimum knowledge of handling a camera. If you don't have this, there are tons of other tutorials to even learn that from scratch. If that does not help, you should attend a filmmaking class. IMO youtube is an amazing source of knowledge. I learned so much from here and it is for free@@totallybored5526
I’ve been watching these two geniuses since 2010 or so. FANTASTIC content. Exceptional content creators. Mostly I’ve enjoyed watching remarkable team develop over the last decade and a half. Outstanding, guys.
@@nikvianna1740when you have been watching film riot for over 10 years, you learn a lot, so every new video introduces a new advanced technique, first year at university is covering basic stuff like, camera angles, movement, lighting.
That’s because you don’t pay attention. So why don’t you quit university and stop sucking the learning and enjoyment of the university for everyone around you
FilmRiot always gives me the feeling that I’ve acquired a new tool/skill to add to my “creative arsenal”. This episode, like all the others, was fantastic!
The under-cranking, sped up later, ended up being a common uncanny ghostly effect used a lot in the early 2000s. I know Stir of Echoes did it, but I think a couple others too. Really effective.
If you ever watch "Little Shop of Horrors" from 1986, all the shots with the giant plant are undercranked to speed up the plant's movements. They had to use (at the time) cutting edge pitch shifting technology on Levi Stubbs' vocals to slow them down but still have them be intelligible. Any time you see Rick Moranis or Ellen Green interacting with the plant they're miming and lip-syncing at 1/2-2/3 normal speed.
Ryan, Serious question here. When is Andrew Kramer film ever going to be released? You guys got everyone excited about this and then it was never talked about again. Thanks
We talked about a few times after. And have address that it's not happening on the show more than once as well. Like often happens with indie productions, Andrew went very ambitious with it and in the end, it didn't work out. It's a bummer, but we still got two fun films out of epic summer.
Your videos are always a masterclass crash course! Thanks for making them❤🙌 Watched this video 5 times in a row to understand the math... that's how bad I am at maths🤣 But I still have a doubt- at @5:40 when you are shifting to 12 FPS from 24 FPS you say "...but if we 'over-crank' now...". But slowing down the framerates would mean 'under-cranking' right? What am I missing here🤔?
Blender user here with a quick question. Would I run my blender frames at 20 or 22 and then in post in premier run the frames at the normal 24? For the sped up effect
Ryan! Love love love this video. At the 9 minute mark, did you just slow the framerate down for that shot and speed it up further in post??? I want to replicate it but am slightly confused on how it's so jumpy
The undercranking topic is not only super interesting but also reminds me of that awfully boring Denzel Washington movie called "Unstoppable". I love the actor, the presentation is sadly bad though. Maybe hightening up the suspense by using undercranking would have done the trick? =) I remember "Crank" felt like using that technique but I might fail on that. 😋
I shot a chase scene at street legal speed by using a combination of under-cranking and mounting the on-car camera as close to the ground as possible to great effect.
This is great, another technique to check out is Travis Scott's step printing effect. With a hand held shot following the main subject you get a disoriented feel.
Hi Ryan, I would say the main difference is the approach of visualizing a project. Both are certainly very powerful tools. PRODUCER with the predefined ProFlow workflow aims at visualizing the overall production process, whereas Assemble is centered around the Calendar view. There are also lots of smaller differences between the tools that you will discover when trying them out. As we offer a free plan, I recommend to give PRODUCER a shot and find out for yourself which approach works best with your personal working style (BTW we are going to add a calendar view of a project in one of the next upgrades, so that you have a choice what you prefer). Happy producing! 🙌
Oh wait, I forgot. In Sony cameras, S&Q mode, (A7SIII) gives FPS of 1/2/4/8/15/30/60/120/240. I remember some people use S&Q for time lapse. Gonna try it now.
I can do on my iPhone 😊 if you watch Tony Scotts film Domino with Keira Knightley it’s filmed at 12 or 18 frames a second it gives it that fantastic blurry motion look
So what happens to the production audio when it's trying to being sync'd with timecode. Timecode can't be set to off speed frame rates. What's the standard practice?
I was always taught that over/undercranking was about shutter speed, not frame rate? For example staying at 24fps, but shooting at 1/60 or higher instead of the standard 1/48 to reduce motion blur and make the shot feel more frantic (like in Saving Private Ryan)
I wonder how undercranking in-camera compares to just using a slightly longer shutter speed (i.e., more than 180 degrees). In your video, the fight scene shot at 24fps and then speed up in post looks unnatural because the motion blur no is no longer 180 degree shutter. So what if instead of 1/48s, you shoot it at say 1/40s,-baking in more motion blur, knowing you’re going to speed it up? I ask because non-cinema cameras (like the Canon R5) don’t give granular control over FPS, but obviously do allow manual exposure.
Love the video, although felt off by the times u started talking about a sponsor in the middle of talking about the undercranking. little complaint, otherwise, awesome vid.
If you set your fps to something lower (anything under 24fps) while playing back at 24fps, your footage will appear faster. It's better than speeding up in post because you don't get the same frame jumping and you get proper motion blur. If you do the opposite and go with a higher fps, you get slow motion.
And the shutter speed should (almost) always be 1/(2× fps). So 24 fps means 1/48 shutter speed and 22 fps means 1/44 shutter speed. Shutter speed describes how long your camera takes a picture/frame and should be half as long as the time between the beginning of one frame and the next one. The shutter speed most importantly leads to a blur when there is motion in the frame.
I really enjoy this channel, but it was pretty apparent that greater than half the content was pushing the "Producer" application SUUUPER hyper wildin' wicky-wacky hardcore. I understand why, but... zounds and wow! :O
That car shot was really impressive. I didn't know smaller frame rates could have that effect.
I remember watching the video from The Police, "Wrapped Around Your Finger," where it's Sting seemingly moving in slow motion while singing in time with the song. It was really mind-blowing when it hit you what was going on. Great use of overcranking and playing with time perception, way back in 1983!
I was a photographer but I've been into videography since about 1 year now.. and it's sooooo much harder. Lighting is very important, microphone quality (boom mic for films etc etc), color grading, good actors etc etc. But It's so much fun if you do it with the right people! 😁
Since about?
@@totallybored5526 for about* since around* ... english is not my main language 😅
The lip syncing/dancing was AWESOMEly entertaining! Good job guys!
Props to Josh for such a tight sync at 48 FPS. I know I would have found that tough to do so well.
Best filmmaking tips on youtube! I've learned so much from you guys over the years. Thank you for existing.
Hell yes. Your videos are so good. They were good before but now they are "Soo good!"
Really love this. You guys are always providing the best hands-on practical insight. Thanks FilmRiot!
This isn’t practical if you was in the room with them and you had equipment and they walked you through it, that would be practical. Watching a video is passive
I don't understand your issue. The tutorial they posted is easy to replicate yourself. It indeed needs a minimum knowledge of handling a camera. If you don't have this, there are tons of other tutorials to even learn that from scratch. If that does not help, you should attend a filmmaking class. IMO youtube is an amazing source of knowledge. I learned so much from here and it is for free@@totallybored5526
I’ve been watching these two geniuses since 2010 or so. FANTASTIC content. Exceptional content creators.
Mostly I’ve enjoyed watching remarkable team develop over the last decade and a half.
Outstanding, guys.
Words I never thought I’d say, but... I thoroughly enjoyed watching Justin work it.
🤣
currently in film school thanks to your inspiration. thank you filmriot!
The arguing scene is very reminiscent of a Guy Ritchie film.
Very informative video guys!
The music video clip ya’ll did had me cracking up!
I learn more in 1 video here than a year in university.
Cap
Stop lying
@@SilverGas147 ahahah I’m not
@@nikvianna1740when you have been watching film riot for over 10 years, you learn a lot, so every new video introduces a new advanced technique, first year at university is covering basic stuff like, camera angles, movement, lighting.
That’s because you don’t pay attention. So why don’t you quit university and stop sucking the learning and enjoyment of the university for everyone around you
This was awesome thanks so much for so many examples along with visual comparisons! 💚
Thanks so much for the amazing tips. We're big fans!
I swear you guys, always know how to release an episode, when a brother is struggling creatively. I love you guys. *tear*
Man, this is mind blowing
This is something I've always wondered about and you guys made it so clear. Awesome as usual!
music video idea is really great, definitely gonna try it out :D
FilmRiot always gives me the feeling that I’ve acquired a new tool/skill to add to my “creative arsenal”. This episode, like all the others, was fantastic!
3:32 Reminds me of the close-up on Brad Pitt in Fight Club when he speaks to the camera and it's like the film roll flickers.
Woah. This was such a cool video! Thanks for showing how awesome just a change in framerate can alter the entire experience of a video. SO COOL!
9:01 😮 wow! Well done
Great episode guys! Learned a lot from this one 🙌
Not gonna lie, I haven't ever figured out how this effect was done properly, and this whole thing just made my day
Very Informative... especially the car speeding idea
Awesome video, thanks for the explainer!
Does anyone know the frame rate setting for the glitching head shot 8:59 pls I've been wanting to create something like this 🙏
Whoa. This is so cool!
Great video as always, Film Riot 👍👊👊
This is something very new I learned today, keep it up.
oh man, excellent video, need some more on this, i been filming for a while but i never got into this part of it. interesting
this is actually really cool!
Where ya been hidin’ this one, Ryan?! So good! So so GOOD!
Great video and tests!!!
The under-cranking, sped up later, ended up being a common uncanny ghostly effect used a lot in the early 2000s. I know Stir of Echoes did it, but I think a couple others too. Really effective.
So they are speeding it back up in post? Was wondering why the 12fps car shot wasn’t jittery if it was shot in 12fps
If you ever watch "Little Shop of Horrors" from 1986, all the shots with the giant plant are undercranked to speed up the plant's movements. They had to use (at the time) cutting edge pitch shifting technology on Levi Stubbs' vocals to slow them down but still have them be intelligible. Any time you see Rick Moranis or Ellen Green interacting with the plant they're miming and lip-syncing at 1/2-2/3 normal speed.
What consumer cameras let you shoot custom frame rates like that? I wish my gh5s did
Awesome info, brother!
Thanks for the reminder about undercranking! It's a tool that I completely forget was in the bag.
Prime tips!! Great video. 👏🏾💯
in 6.00 about you Double car speed but also double speed of the flag in background and looks pretty fun on the wind:)
learned so much from this video!
Very cool!
Ryan, Serious question here. When is Andrew Kramer film ever going to be released? You guys got everyone excited about this and then it was never talked about again. Thanks
We talked about a few times after. And have address that it's not happening on the show more than once as well. Like often happens with indie productions, Andrew went very ambitious with it and in the end, it didn't work out.
It's a bummer, but we still got two fun films out of epic summer.
@@filmriot oh okay, I try follow a lot of the episodes but I guess I missed it over the years. Thanks for the update.
The app is 🔥
I've been waiting for this app for like forever
I love The music video 😂😂😂😂😂😂 thanks great vídeo thanks alot 🙏🏾
I Wonder if these would work in a digital setting, for like a CG camera
Interesting question. Which I have no idea to. I'd think it would as i would assume the principles would translate. But that's beyond my expertise.
yes, the principles do translate
Your videos are always a masterclass crash course! Thanks for making them❤🙌 Watched this video 5 times in a row to understand the math... that's how bad I am at maths🤣 But I still have a doubt- at @5:40 when you are shifting to 12 FPS from 24 FPS you say "...but if we 'over-crank' now...". But slowing down the framerates would mean 'under-cranking' right? What am I missing here🤔?
Great episode
2:40 hi, can i ask something please? can i put 22fps shot and 24fps shot onto the same timeline in powerdirector?
Would love to see more in depth tutorial in this under and overcranking shoot
Do you adjust the shutter speed to double the frame rate creating a sped up feel
I leave the shutter on 180 degrees so the camera does the shifts in shutter for me.
Are there any digital cameras out there which allow you to change frame rate while recording?
Blender user here with a quick question. Would I run my blender frames at 20 or 22 and then in post in premier run the frames at the normal 24? For the sped up effect
Can you make a video on camera angles we can use to make our short film look like movies by using phone ❤
Ryan! Love love love this video. At the 9 minute mark, did you just slow the framerate down for that shot and speed it up further in post??? I want to replicate it but am slightly confused on how it's so jumpy
you make me feel cranked
so do you shoot it at 20fps say and drop that shot in your 24fps workflow/sequence?
God, you guys are the shit! Every vid, I learn so much!
Just one question, if we shoot at 20fps or lower won't I get the stop motion video?
The undercranking topic is not only super interesting but also reminds me of that awfully boring Denzel Washington movie called "Unstoppable". I love the actor, the presentation is sadly bad though. Maybe hightening up the suspense by using undercranking would have done the trick? =)
I remember "Crank" felt like using that technique but I might fail on that. 😋
can this be done with prosumer level cameras?
Can the Sony A73 and Fx3 shoot at 20fps?
I shot a chase scene at street legal speed by using a combination of under-cranking and mounting the on-car camera as close to the ground as possible to great effect.
recognizing that canon menu. HELL YEA
I want that t-shirt!!
Dope!
This is great, another technique to check out is Travis Scott's step printing effect. With a hand held shot following the main subject you get a disoriented feel.
Interesting... I can certainly use this for my project. It was funny too.
There so many fun and creative uses to this technique. :)
Forbidden Planet how did they do the melting krell door?
I genuinely love you guys. I’m going to go twerk it, twerk it!
Does Sony A7SIII have 20 fps option?
Any thoughts between Producer & Assemble that might make you use one over the other?
Hi Ryan, I would say the main difference is the approach of visualizing a project. Both are certainly very powerful tools. PRODUCER with the predefined ProFlow workflow aims at visualizing the overall production process, whereas Assemble is centered around the Calendar view. There are also lots of smaller differences between the tools that you will discover when trying them out. As we offer a free plan, I recommend to give PRODUCER a shot and find out for yourself which approach works best with your personal working style (BTW we are going to add a calendar view of a project in one of the next upgrades, so that you have a choice what you prefer). Happy producing! 🙌
thank you! I'll check it out@@producermakermachina
Oh wait, I forgot. In Sony cameras, S&Q mode, (A7SIII) gives FPS of 1/2/4/8/15/30/60/120/240. I remember some people use S&Q for time lapse. Gonna try it now.
Good talk, Im going to try this for a few things. Oooh my fancy Sony A7S III only goes as low at 24 fps. I'm selling it!
I can do on my iPhone 😊 if you watch Tony Scotts film Domino with Keira Knightley it’s filmed at 12 or 18 frames a second it gives it that fantastic blurry motion look
So what happens to the production audio when it's trying to being sync'd with timecode. Timecode can't be set to off speed frame rates. What's the standard practice?
I don’t do video, but after watching this, I really want to 😂😮😊. Nice work and explaining. 🤙🏽. Subb’d
I was always taught that over/undercranking was about shutter speed, not frame rate? For example staying at 24fps, but shooting at 1/60 or higher instead of the standard 1/48 to reduce motion blur and make the shot feel more frantic (like in Saving Private Ryan)
Now I wonder if the frame rate can be hacked using a plug-in the editor. Shoot at 30fps, and pluck out every 3rd frame?
Very cool. However I can't change my film rates like this on my Canon R7. But these tricks are cool
Sorry but,I don’t understand how do you set the camera to record less than 24fps?My sony a7siii doesn’t have that.I am confused.
8:12 is it actually your number?
Haha. No. Just dummy numbers to show producer off.
@@filmriot Oh okay;)
Maybe I'm a dummy but what camera films in 22, 20, or even 18 frames per second? I've only seen 24, 30, 60 and maybe 120!
12 FPS in the car shot has a flag that gives it away
I wonder how undercranking in-camera compares to just using a slightly longer shutter speed (i.e., more than 180 degrees). In your video, the fight scene shot at 24fps and then speed up in post looks unnatural because the motion blur no is no longer 180 degree shutter. So what if instead of 1/48s, you shoot it at say 1/40s,-baking in more motion blur, knowing you’re going to speed it up? I ask because non-cinema cameras (like the Canon R5) don’t give granular control over FPS, but obviously do allow manual exposure.
I don't think consumer cameras offer such fine control over the recording framerate (and associated exposure times).
Love the video, although felt off by the times u started talking about a sponsor in the middle of talking about the undercranking. little complaint, otherwise, awesome vid.
I like your webpage
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How awesome is this! 🫶🏽
What to do when your camera doesn't have an option to shoot at 20 or 22 fps?
Mad Max Fury Road was sped up in post though
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Does anyone else find them selves singing Logo randomly while watching F.R. videos ? 😂
I feel like the first half of the video is a bit unclear (am I dumb?)
I don't get the camera settings when undercranking. The post part, I got
If you set your fps to something lower (anything under 24fps) while playing back at 24fps, your footage will appear faster. It's better than speeding up in post because you don't get the same frame jumping and you get proper motion blur. If you do the opposite and go with a higher fps, you get slow motion.
And the shutter speed should (almost) always be 1/(2× fps). So 24 fps means 1/48 shutter speed and 22 fps means 1/44 shutter speed. Shutter speed describes how long your camera takes a picture/frame and should be half as long as the time between the beginning of one frame and the next one. The shutter speed most importantly leads to a blur when there is motion in the frame.
Presume the confusion comes from the fact many budget or older cameras can't freely pick the fps but are limited to set common fps profiles.
I really enjoy this channel, but it was pretty apparent that greater than half the content was pushing the "Producer" application SUUUPER hyper wildin' wicky-wacky hardcore. I understand why, but... zounds and wow! :O
Twerk it twerk it !!
Anybody else still shout out "Baby Kessy" when they hear Kessler on Film Riot?