I have 2 year old twin boys; watching this makes me look forward them being fully grown and able to help their old man build all sorts of things! Cheers guys!!
Practice patience ! Your son tried as hard as he could to be as literal as possible just to avoid you being frustrated with him. Other than that, you've raised some great young men! Who will do/ build for themselves !
I was so happy to see such a simplified way to build a floating deck. I'm older so doing all the digging for leveling is not something I have the strength and energy to do. Thanks so much for this.
I see the purr joy from all of you guys working together my three kids work with me from time to time and it's a great blessing so it's great to see you and your family working together and great videos it's funny as soon as I see your video pop up I instantly click on like before I even watch it.
Jeff I’m glad you put your talent and knowledge on RUclips, there are many of us who really appreciate all your doing. From our hearts. We are great full. Have a great night brother.
Thanks,the guys remind me when I was young. LoL! Dad, your info was spot on! The chemistry you guys have is amazing. I appreciate you keeping it simple.Thanks for sharing.👊💪👍
Thank you for the kind words Brenton, glad you like it. We are very proud of the episodes produced for sure but honestly just wait until next thursday. Next episode and on is going to be a little crazy. We have kind of a surprise to the viewers... hope you guys like what we have in store. Thanks for the great comment, certainly made my day. Thanks dude, cheers
I love how Matt thinks so differently than his Father. That IS the difference at this time. Jeff did put him in his "place", and that is needed for Apprentices. They need to learn from a Master, NOT do their own thing! TY Jeff for showing this and not getting angry about how Matt decided to lay the joists. "Put an ARROW to the CROWN!" Was all that was needed. PERFECT! EveryTime!
@@brento4148 Try telling that to your boss the next time you call him a "knob". Learning is imperative! You also have to be on base with everyone, because IF 1 thing goes wrong (then something else is wrong) you are spending hours fixing it. It is far better to get a scolding than to spend another 2-4 hours fixing all the mistakes . Just my 2 cents.
@@Delekham I agree, I also believe that respect is earned through considered behaviour and teaching. I don't live in North America, it's probably a cultural thing. I have a tremendous amount of respect for my boss and would never expect to be spoken to like a child because I needed guidance on one small aspect of a job. There's ways to do things without belittling those around you.
I have 2 adult boys who I do projects with and it's a different interaction with them now as adults but still able to give advice about life and the challenges it brings
I enjoyed hearing from the Brother's what they're doing and future plans. YES Matt--passive income!!! My son is almost 21 and in the community college Paramedics Program. It wouldn't be my top 3 career choices for him, but he is young and can change gears anytime. But I'm super happy he is going the college route for any type of career, so many young adults are bailing on higher education because they don't see the benefit of it right out of HS - the pandemic really did a number on our youth. Jeff, your son's talking about their options and interests helped me to step back and appreciate what a great kid I have and appreciate that he has always been a get-up and go-getter (his 1st job - at 13 yo - was mowing grass along the tarmac & runway at a local small town airport ... until the State of Oregon found out his age.) I adore your channel and like the recent change in the focus of your channel. Kudos Jeff !!!
Good idea! I’ve got a flat patio on the side of the house that has a big crack in it that I could cover with this type of floating deck. Seems simple enough for me...maybe.
Wish I could send you pic of my first attempt at constructing my front porch deck. I'm thrilled and no reason it should have turned out as well as it did. Love your videos ... Mega Thanks!
Jeff must have been a boy scout. Always leave the environment better then you found it. One of the few renters that improves upon the property when he’s done renting.
So, you just leave the treated lumber in contact with the ground without any sort of finish to prevent water penetrating the wood and freezing? What did you use to finish / waterproof the top of the deck?
Great video and as a Dad I love the banter between Dad and Sons. Love that they can take the piss out of each other. Can this idea be used but with Tuffblocks?
Great videos you guys are not perfect and the best thing is you admit your not perfect which is why these are so great im a carpenter of almost 40 years and make simple mistakes alot but when your man enough to admit it and correct them thats perfect
We are looking to build a deck. Have brutal winters. Can you do a floating deck in cold winter weather states or do you have to dig down past the freeze line?
Gaps in between deck boards help a lot with debris and water run off. Plus you probably wouldn’t have been short at the end. I guess maybe if the boards shrink at all that may work to your advantage.
How long will this deck last outdoors? I live in Humid coastal climate. I am hearing more bad comments on this type of set up that it will rot, no air flow etc ? Should i build one like this? Or raise it up a few inches more?
Hey Jefff, Is this deck an issue being next to the basement window as a fire escape? Is there anything that you can do to avoid the deck becoming a hazard if someone had to escape from the window below? Thanks for the great videos!
Looks great! I am building a 24x24’ floating deck and need to have it done in a week. I am placing it on a grassy area that is not level, and we are not using deck blocks because we live in the country and we don’t want critters getting underneath or bees. We’re building on the ground. Any suggestions for getting it level? Can we just shim the low areas.? I’ve never built a deck before. Do not have experience, but this looks simple enough. Also, would you recommend building it in one big 24 x 24 section or would you recommend building it in two or four smaller sections? Thanks!
Jeff: You know crown, right? Matt: I taught you that! LOL Matt: Working for the Old Boy is great! Thank you for the video guys! Hey, the umbrella matches the company shirt!! And again, Congratulations on receiving the Silver Play Button!!!
I’m building a floor deck for a steel garage kit just wandering how to prevent humidity to avoid my steel garage and tool to rust, what do you recommends when I will build my deck floor ?
i am confused - I liked the video a lot but why no spaces between the decking - looks like you are butting up each deck board to the next one- but on other videos you made you said to leave a space between the boards for ventilation/drying. Thanks for any info!
question - a 4x8 deck that is inches of the ground.....I have the right hand side toe nailed to the existing deck with about 14 screws...is hat enough support.......and the other side is supported by 2 concrete slabs at each corner.....is that enough support for this deck which will only be holding up a bbq and snow/ice buildup in the wintertime? thankyou and much appreciated
This channel is the best, and this deck is awesome. This is the first floating deck video I've seen where you don't mess with blocks, posts, etc, at all. Sacrilegious! I love the simplicity of this. You didn't even put plastic or something at the ground contact points. It's wood on the ground! Mind-blowing! Call the police! I love it. I have been looking at covering a concrete patio with a floating deck, and trying figure out all these complicated expensive plastic anchoring systems, but now I'm like, forget it, this is 10x faster and way cheaper for what would probably be the same result! Here's a question though: if your ground isn't quite level, what's the point at which this approach doesn't work? Like, say you've got 6 inches of drop-off. Is that too much for this approach? What's the point where you say, OK, we have to use anchors, posts, joists, etc? Thanks for all the awesome content.
Keeping it simple is not only the key to success but to make it financially viable in 2021. The more complex it gets the more materials and techniques it takes. This is not designed for longevity rather quick and easy.
Wait til they go to sell the house... Code violations/insurance inspection in most areas will require updating at a much bigger expense than initially. Do it right the first time.
Hello! I’ve never done this before so I have some questions: what do you mean by “crown side up” when you were assessing the joists? And when/where did the concrete blocks get used?!?
Damnit Jeff! This reminds me of my dad! He would of whooped my tail if I would of bailed mid project like that! Love your content! Keep it up my guy!!!!
Hey Jeff, I noticed you didnt use the concrete blocks for foundation. My yard is only grass. Can I do this very same thing without the concrete or plastic blocks that are now available or do i need to lay gravel under each block? If so, How many blocks do you recommend for a 12x12 deck?
Jeff, nice work ok i asked this before and didn't get an answer so hopefully you will see this. I tore down a 7 year old 12 X 24 section of deck at about 9' above ground, 7 years old and tons of wood rot. not thrilled. but I have a 19 X 7.5' swim spa coming so I'm pouring a 12 X 20 pad 6" thick on the ground, I'm going to rebuild the deck at the original height of about 9'. I need to support the swim spa off the pad so that about 20" of it sticks up above the new deck. my question is what would you recommend i use to build up a support at about 5' off the new pad so the swim spa is self supported. weight full of water is about 25,000 lbs. with people and the fact that water is moving etc. say i support for 30K lbs. any suggestions? I live in northwest Georgia so will take more precaution against wood rot this time but wonder is i should maybe build some kind of steel support. ??
I have a 10’ x 12’ gazebo and I wish to have a floating deck similar to what you were doing beneath it. Should I go with a 14’ x 14’ or 12’ x 14’ deck? Thanks.
If I wanna build a 16x16 what material would you recommend ? I have blocks and paver sand , wondering if I can use 2x8x16 for the wild build with joist hangers and sitting on blocks .
I have a 4 year old grandson, William and he loves tools. He stayed with us a week ago and I introduced him to you via this video. He loved it. I asked him. Me: Will, do you still play with the work bench and tools Papa and I have you for Christmas? William: (So seriously) Yes, but I have never built a deck.
Hi Jeff, if you were going to put this right agains the wall below the window... How many inches below the window does it need to be ( I'm in Gatineau so winter also ) Merci :)
We have a fenced yard with constraints and have only enough height from the soil to the back door to use 2' high frame (we intended to use 2 x 4 x 12 pressure treated lumber) + the decking materal. The deck will be 12' x 13', and the surface will be Timbertech Azec. With the frame be structually sturdy enough? Should we use weed sheet with rocks, and adjustable footings? Thanks!
My only criticism is the double joist should be on the outside (more foot traffic) versus up against the house. Also I might turn the whole thing 180, because the joist would have the water on the ground run away from the house without trapping on the crossmember. Some are saying what about the top of the deck, water would run across 8 inches quicker than 10ft
I have 2 year old twin boys; watching this makes me look forward them being fully grown and able to help their old man build all sorts of things! Cheers guys!!
Thats awesome dude you'll have a blast and they will cherish those moments are they get older
I have 5 girls, watching this makes me 😭 not one has any interest in doing any sort of labor at all lol
I see the joys of building something with your Kids are the same at every age and location :)))
Haha
LOL, I am more interested in their growing independence and competence than my current frustrations. Cheers!
Practice patience ! Your son tried as hard as he could to be as literal as possible just to avoid you being frustrated with him. Other than that, you've raised some great young men! Who will do/ build for themselves !
I was so happy to see such a simplified way to build a floating deck. I'm older so doing all the digging for leveling is not something I have the strength and energy to do. Thanks so much for this.
Beautiful family, and great work. ThankGod for Jeff happened to RUclips he is a blessing for the whole DIY world. We love you Jeff
I see the purr joy from all of you guys working together my three kids work with me from time to time and it's a great blessing so it's great to see you and your family working together and great videos it's funny as soon as I see your video pop up I instantly click on like before I even watch it.
Love the leveling with the blocks! I'm building 5'x15' this weekend and was trying to figure out the best/easiest way to do this. Perfect, thanks....
Jeff I’m glad you put your talent and knowledge on RUclips, there are many of us who really appreciate all your doing. From our hearts. We are great full. Have a great night brother.
Good looking family! Awesome project.
Thanks,the guys remind me when I was young. LoL! Dad, your info was spot on! The chemistry you guys have is amazing. I appreciate you keeping it simple.Thanks for sharing.👊💪👍
Good video. The boys made it fun. I love when families build things together.
whom ever did the editing on this video.... top self! transitions and music choice.... beautiful.... great work boys!
Thank you for the kind words Brenton, glad you like it. We are very proud of the episodes produced for sure but honestly just wait until next thursday. Next episode and on is going to be a little crazy. We have kind of a surprise to the viewers... hope you guys like what we have in store. Thanks for the great comment, certainly made my day. Thanks dude, cheers
@@SubdivisionAuto This was the nicest reply Ive ever read. Canadians are so nice, Americans would reply "thnx bro".
I love how Matt thinks so differently than his Father. That IS the difference at this time. Jeff did put him in his "place", and that is needed for Apprentices. They need to learn from a Master, NOT do their own thing! TY Jeff for showing this and not getting angry about how Matt decided to lay the joists. "Put an ARROW to the CROWN!" Was all that was needed. PERFECT! EveryTime!
When they are boys you train them to be men. When they become men you train them to be constantly improving.
All I got from this is that the dad is a knob.
@@brento4148 Try telling that to your boss the next time you call him a "knob".
Learning is imperative! You also have to be on base with everyone, because IF 1 thing goes wrong (then something else is wrong) you are spending hours fixing it.
It is far better to get a scolding than to spend another 2-4 hours fixing all the mistakes .
Just my 2 cents.
@@Delekham I agree, I also believe that respect is earned through considered behaviour and teaching. I don't live in North America, it's probably a cultural thing. I have a tremendous amount of respect for my boss and would never expect to be spoken to like a child because I needed guidance on one small aspect of a job. There's ways to do things without belittling those around you.
Thanks Jeff!!! I just finished my 12'x16' ground deck! Tanks to you and your video. The Wife and I Love it. First one I have built.🍺
Did you level the deck with the wooden blocks like in this video? How is it holding up? I want to do one the same size as yours
How many decking boards did you need?
I’ll be recruiting my 3 sons and their sons to build my deck this spring.
Thank you so much for this video without all the digging.
Ended up building it ourselves.
I started doing privacy fences about 12.years ago with no clue to how, you remind me so much of my old boss
Seeing you interact with your boys is worth a thousand lectures about family values. May Allah bless and protect your family.
🎶Gonna make it straight n pretty!🎶😆 Looks fantastic!👍🏼
Cheers!
I have 2 adult boys who I do projects with and it's a different interaction with them now as adults but still able to give advice about life and the challenges it brings
If you watch the episodes on this channel you can literally see the boys growing up here. It's pretty cool
I enjoyed hearing from the Brother's what they're doing and future plans. YES Matt--passive income!!! My son is almost 21 and in the community college Paramedics Program. It wouldn't be my top 3 career choices for him, but he is young and can change gears anytime. But I'm super happy he is going the college route for any type of career, so many young adults are bailing on higher education because they don't see the benefit of it right out of HS - the pandemic really did a number on our youth. Jeff, your son's talking about their options and interests helped me to step back and appreciate what a great kid I have and appreciate that he has always been a get-up and go-getter (his 1st job - at 13 yo - was mowing grass along the tarmac & runway at a local small town airport ... until the State of Oregon found out his age.) I adore your channel and like the recent change in the focus of your channel. Kudos Jeff !!!
Just found this channel and I'm addicted! I love the information and detailed wisdom. 🤍
Glad you like it. Feel free to let us know what you think of the new episodes, lot of fun those are!
Tks great video on leveling deck
easy assemble
also tip fact that if not attached house
unlimited structural build is great
Great video as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it Larry. Great to see you in the live stream last night as well. Cheers!
Good idea! I’ve got a flat patio on the side of the house that has a big crack in it that I could cover with this type of floating deck. Seems simple enough for me...maybe.
That's a great idea! You can do it!
It's amazing to build fast and clean.
Wish I could send you pic of my first attempt at constructing my front porch deck. I'm thrilled and no reason it should have turned out as well as it did. Love your videos ... Mega Thanks!
Just love the interaction! And I learn too! Win win
Glad you enjoy that we are incorporating a lot more story and dialogue in the episodes. Check out some of the new stuff let us know what you think.
This is beautiful ❤
Jeff must have been a boy scout. Always leave the environment better then you found it. One of the few renters that improves upon the property when he’s done renting.
I think he's the only renter I know who leaves with house with improvements rather than repairs!
Good job guys 🙂
This is something I definitely want to do in our yard. I see other videos where you have to dig but this might be the best option for us.
Nice job fellows!
Looks fantastic 🥰
Thank you 😋
@@REALITYRENOVISION and I'm still waiting to see the farmhouse final product 🤔🥰🙋♀️
Great Vid as always Jeff!! With the price of lumber today I'm sure that $600 it cost that day would be an easy $1800 today! Bananas!
You got that right!
Great production skills. Really impressive.
beautiful
Thank you! Cheers!
I love your channel. I learn a lot.
These 2 are so funny working together lol..
Fun, funny and a riot to watch. Check out this thursdays episode for more shenanigans.
So, you just leave the treated lumber in contact with the ground without any sort of finish to prevent water penetrating the wood and freezing? What did you use to finish / waterproof the top of the deck?
Awesome video. I appreciate all of the tips! What if you’re wanting to do a bigger build like a 24 x 12?
Did I miss the part where they used and placed the concrete deck blocks?
Great video and as a Dad I love the banter between Dad and Sons. Love that they can take the piss out of each other. Can this idea be used but with Tuffblocks?
Are the concrete blocks not used in the end to lay the deck onto?
They were but the plan changed. it would be too high off the ground. keep it simple and success will follow
Great videos you guys are not perfect and the best thing is you admit your not perfect which is why these are so great im a carpenter of almost 40 years and make simple mistakes alot but when your man enough to admit it and correct them thats perfect
Hello. Can I use an old timber bedframe to build an outside deck or should the woof be treated with a waterproof substance first?
We are looking to build a deck. Have brutal winters. Can you do a floating deck in cold winter weather states or do you have to dig down past the freeze line?
Do you not need to treat the wood in contact with the ground and do you not need gaps between the boards. Thank you
Matt such a cool builder
Great working w kids!
Sure is!
Got to work on my son's roof with him a couple of days. Helped my daughter fix things in her house a couple of days. Love working with my kids!
Gaps in between deck boards help a lot with debris and water run off. Plus you probably wouldn’t have been short at the end. I guess maybe if the boards shrink at all that may work to your advantage.
I mean yeah, but since they are only going to be there for a short time and leaving it behind....
I do not leave gaps anymore. Shrinkage will occur and prevent your boards from warping. Also, large gaps are ankle twisters !!!
Did you ever use the concrete pads or did you leave the deck on top of the ground?
How long will this deck last outdoors? I live in Humid coastal climate. I am hearing more bad comments on this type of set up that it will rot, no air flow etc ? Should i build one like this? Or raise it up a few inches more?
Hey Jefff,
Is this deck an issue being next to the basement window as a fire escape? Is there anything that you can do to avoid the deck becoming a hazard if someone had to escape from the window below?
Thanks for the great videos!
Looks great! I am building a 24x24’ floating deck and need to have it done in a week. I am placing it on a grassy area that is not level, and we are not using deck blocks because we live in the country and we don’t want critters getting underneath or bees. We’re building on the ground. Any suggestions for getting it level? Can we just shim the low areas.? I’ve never built a deck before. Do not have experience, but this looks simple enough. Also, would you recommend building it in one big 24 x 24 section or would you recommend building it in two or four smaller sections? Thanks!
Please advise about the rain water ,will the wood rot or how the water will flow ??
Yeahhhh like the music intro
Glad you like it!
What materials are you using, and also how much this project could coast? Thank you 😀
Jeff: You know crown, right? Matt: I taught you that! LOL Matt: Working for the Old Boy is great! Thank you for the video guys! Hey, the umbrella matches the company shirt!! And again, Congratulations on receiving the Silver Play Button!!!
Haha glad you liked that. It only becomes better with the new episodes
Love your videos. Thinking of building the same style deck but worried about ground contact rot. How long do you think your shims will last?
Depends how you preserve them I suppose. You can always use a oil based sealer and you'd be surprise how long things will last...
I’m building a floor deck for a steel garage kit just wandering how to prevent humidity to avoid my steel garage and tool to rust, what do you recommends when I will build my deck floor ?
i am confused - I liked the video a lot but why no spaces between the decking - looks like you are butting up each deck board to the next one- but on other videos you made you said to leave a space between the boards for ventilation/drying. Thanks for any info!
question - a 4x8 deck that is inches of the ground.....I have the right hand side toe nailed to the existing deck with about 14 screws...is hat enough support.......and the other side is supported by 2 concrete slabs at each corner.....is that enough support for this deck which will only be holding up a bbq and snow/ice buildup in the wintertime? thankyou and much appreciated
What is the size of the wood you use, and how many, i will try it to my backyard, thanks
This channel is the best, and this deck is awesome. This is the first floating deck video I've seen where you don't mess with blocks, posts, etc, at all. Sacrilegious! I love the simplicity of this. You didn't even put plastic or something at the ground contact points. It's wood on the ground! Mind-blowing! Call the police! I love it. I have been looking at covering a concrete patio with a floating deck, and trying figure out all these complicated expensive plastic anchoring systems, but now I'm like, forget it, this is 10x faster and way cheaper for what would probably be the same result! Here's a question though: if your ground isn't quite level, what's the point at which this approach doesn't work? Like, say you've got 6 inches of drop-off. Is that too much for this approach? What's the point where you say, OK, we have to use anchors, posts, joists, etc? Thanks for all the awesome content.
Keeping it simple is not only the key to success but to make it financially viable in 2021. The more complex it gets the more materials and techniques it takes. This is not designed for longevity rather quick and easy.
Wait til they go to sell the house... Code violations/insurance inspection in most areas will require updating at a much bigger expense than initially. Do it right the first time.
@@JohnJohn-wr1jo there’s no code when it comes to detached decks. Whether it still looks good/is structural in 10 years, that’s a different deal.
Is that strong enough to hold a small hot tub?
do you have to put space in between the deck boards?
I just watched this video, I want a deck in the middle of my backyard but it's a bit sloped for thaw, do you have a video describing how to do it?
I like how you kept it square by joining 2 sides of perimiter first then adding your joists and then other 2 sides is this why you did it this way
Hello! I’ve never done this before so I have some questions: what do you mean by “crown side up” when you were assessing the joists? And when/where did the concrete blocks get used?!?
You don't leave gaps between the deck boards?
How did the wood hold up over the years?
Damnit Jeff! This reminds me of my dad! He would of whooped my tail if I would of bailed mid project like that! Love your content! Keep it up my guy!!!!
Cheers for the vid I was going to hire someone to do my deck but I’m going to as now I’ve learned
Hey Jeff, I noticed you didnt use the concrete blocks for foundation. My yard is only grass. Can I do this very same thing without the concrete or plastic blocks that are now available or do i need to lay gravel under each block? If so, How many blocks do you recommend for a 12x12 deck?
Yes use proper support. He's doing a hack because it is a temporary place for him. If you want a long lasting deck, do it right
Does it matter what side of the line you mark?
Will a floating deck like this hold a 15’x48” above ground swimming pool?
Jeff, nice work ok i asked this before and didn't get an answer so hopefully you will see this. I tore down a 7 year old 12 X 24 section of deck at about 9' above ground, 7 years old and tons of wood rot. not thrilled. but I have a 19 X 7.5' swim spa coming so I'm pouring a 12 X 20 pad 6" thick on the ground, I'm going to rebuild the deck at the original height of about 9'. I need to support the swim spa off the pad so that about 20" of it sticks up above the new deck. my question is what would you recommend i use to build up a support at about 5' off the new pad so the swim spa is self supported. weight full of water is about 25,000 lbs. with people and the fact that water is moving etc. say i support for 30K lbs. any suggestions? I live in northwest Georgia so will take more precaution against wood rot this time but wonder is i should maybe build some kind of steel support. ??
I have a 10’ x 12’ gazebo and I wish to have a floating deck similar to what you were doing beneath it. Should I go with a 14’ x 14’ or 12’ x 14’ deck? Thanks.
I’ve been wondering the same thing
If it’s really moist and we are building by a river should we build right on ground level or not???? Please help
Don't you need a small gap between your deck boards for expansion and water drainage?
Yeah but a small deck that size it isnt a big deal. But yeah youl have some puddles if you dont space them out
Would blocking like you did be sufficient enough to support a shed base? 8’x15’
Nice job!
Thanks
If I wanna build a 16x16 what material would you recommend ? I have blocks and paver sand , wondering if I can use 2x8x16 for the wild build with joist hangers and sitting on blocks .
Just curious, why not nail the deck boards as well?
Bridging!
Nice. I bet Mommy, placed the flower pots. 😂 love it.
I have a 4 year old grandson, William and he loves tools.
He stayed with us a week ago and I introduced him to you via this video. He loved it.
I asked him.
Me: Will, do you still play with the work bench and tools Papa and I have you for Christmas?
William: (So seriously) Yes, but I have never built a deck.
We are going to build this deck.
Did you end up doing it?
did you not use the concrete blocks ?
Would building a deck like this over an ugly asphalt pad work for a 8’ x 15’ shed base?
Hi Jeff, if you were going to put this right agains the wall below the window... How many inches below the window does it need to be ( I'm in Gatineau so winter also )
Merci :)
How much gap between the decking on the top?
1/4" max. Cheers!
I’m looking to do a 10 by 10 same way for my canopy! My first time exactly what size wood should I use for a solid foundation?
We have a fenced yard with constraints and have only enough height from the soil to the back door to use 2' high frame (we intended to use 2 x 4 x 12 pressure treated lumber) + the decking materal. The deck will be 12' x 13', and the surface will be Timbertech Azec. With the frame be structually sturdy enough? Should we use weed sheet with rocks, and adjustable footings? Thanks!
Nice!
Thank you! Cheers!
Do you have a material list?
Sir i am making same deck in my patio size of 12 feet by 12 feet i just want to know i can use 2x6 on base to make square box without deck block
My only criticism is the double joist should be on the outside (more foot traffic) versus up against the house. Also I might turn the whole thing 180, because the joist would have the water on the ground run away from the house without trapping on the crossmember.
Some are saying what about the top of the deck, water would run across 8 inches quicker than 10ft
Can you post the size and list of materials?