I'm wondering when that started!!! Beauticians use to loooove to have clients with thick healthy hair. It was literally walking advertisements. Recommendations are how a lot of Beauticians get new clients!
I’m a licensed cosmetologist- length matters and density matters only because of the amount of time it takes. For instance, if someone has less density and shorter hair it won’t take as long. Also, the cost of product.
I will NEVER FORGET this incident from 45 years ago. I was sitting having my hair done when a beautiful teenaged Indian girl came in. All the stylists were fawning over her thick, waist-length hair and told her how wonderful she'd look with a cute, short hair-style. One by one, they all chimed in and encouraged her to try something new. This group of stylists cajoled her into getting her locks chopped off really short. When she saw the 'new look', she immediately started bawling. After she left, the stylists gleefully laughed and mocked her. They were motivated out of jealousy. Hateful women.
Well, they bullied the mess out of Black women for getting perms. Now they're complaining about the hair being too difficult to work with. You can't please these crazy people.
Yesss I’ve always said this!!! I’ll never trust someone with less hair than mine or a thicker texture, not because I think my hair is better, but bc societal standards has black folks convinced that long & straighter texture is “good hair”… I don’t think that way but I can’t help if someone else does. As soon as I hear, “ohhh you got that good hair”… ima get a “stomach ache”… It’s truly sad…
Even when I was a kid, I HATED the energy of most hairdressers towards my hair. They always make you feel like you’re the problem for even making an Appointment the whole time and you pay them. Its torture :(
Most when younger were also tearing it from the root first when detangling. They're black too. I hated getting my hair done and my own mother didn't like doing it either. Never learned to work with it and just relaxed it when I was "old enough".
I don't think it's just that they hate doing your hair, it's that they hate seeing black women with healthy natural hair. It's so sad. I saw one video where the guy was pulling a lady's ends saying it's dead ends. And he was cutting them. All he had to do was comb it out and he would have seen that it was shrinkage. As a hairstylist, they should know this. And it's not the first video of it's kind that I've seen. I was so mad for her. He cut her long healthy hair for no reason. I only allow my mum and sister to touch my hair now. You never know people's intentions.
@@MH-hw4uh right! I’ve noticed a lot of these stylists complain when we have thicker, longer hair but isn’t that a Good thing?? If a stylist complains about your hair being thick & Healthy, I would run 🏃♀️ in the opposite direction bc she’s about to ruin all your progress
@@nicki1197I wish I had seen comments like this years ago. My stylist would make comments about my thick hair saying it looked like I was wearing a helmet or I looked like a lion’s mane. All the while charging my mom $400 for a simple wash and trim which was actually a cut. Never again.
These people aren't actually trained in hair health. They're trained in hairSTYLES. Please seek a stylist that cares about the health of your hair, those never talk about hair like this. They're rare but they're out there. The more simple they are (no hair product gimmicks, "natural" masks and products, no fearmongering over oils etc), the better they are. My stylist is wonderful and she doesn't even have social media. My hair FLOURISHED after I met her.
You can’t let ppl who have internalized self h8 touch your head. I think most of these “stylists” open their businesses hoping to get clients with looser type 3 hair. (I’ve even seen a stylist on facebook post a comment saying “don’t expect your braids to look good if your hair looks like this”) & then she posted a picture of a woman with thick , healthy 4c hair😭 a lot of them really can’t stand their own clients but they’ll still take your $$ & play around in your hair & give you heat damage or breakage just so they can pay their bills😒
Agreed. Social media has really exposed the self-hate. I finally understand why hair in our communities was so broken off for decades. There's no love.
Yes they will. And they will also try to talk you out of styles you know your hair can do because they are haters or can’t execute the style and don’t want to tell you.
I'm so sick of stylists calling uneven ends or ends that are not stretched fully as split ends. If the client wants even ends for the straight style, that's one thing but just because the ends are not even going from curly to straight doesn't mean they are split.
@@ladybluelotus exactly. I had postpartum shedding 2 years ago and now I have collarbone new growth right next to the other bra strap hair that didn't shed. I'm not going to cut all my hair to collarbone for it to be even.
💯 I have people still arguing with me from a video more than six months ago that I commented on. They did a blunt cut up to a girl's shoulders on mid to lower back hair. She didn't need that much taken off and her hair was not fully straightened to assess that it was so damaged beyond repair. I had so many people arguing with me saying the girl had damaged hair and it need to be cut all the way off.
I asked a stylist once, do you refund people with short hair that took 20 mins to braid instead of an hour? some people hair take longer , some people not so much , she said no, ok well why charge more for longer hair no answer
@@03nowwow correct, not my issue here I asked about a refund for short hair, and I was talking to my mom. I'm very clear on a "base rate "...not even close to slow .You my dear didn't understand the question
@@ronid816 there would be no discount because you paid the base rate. Again, no lower price for short hair as you were already paying the lowest she’d do your hair for.
Depression is real and when you going through it taking care of your hair is sometimes the last thing you think about if at all. People need to have some understanding that not everyone has the ability to properly take care of their hair.
There's a lady on RUclips who cleans houses for free, mostly for people with mental health issues who either hoard or neglect their homes. It's satisfying watching her work, but even more is her empathy when she explains the limitations people have bc their energy, executive function/motivation, and self-esteem/self-care are naturally low. Your comment reminded me of her voiceovers. Sometimes we need to be reminded that everyone struggles differently, some more deeply and debilitatingly than others.
Black service providers? Take mental health into consideration and have empathy? Baby, that is one tough thing to find. They will coo in your ear in the chair and cackle once the salon door closes. Ask me how I know.
Yes, but they catch mad attitude if you tell them no. I don't like my photograph taken by others as I don't feel like I'm photogenic. And usually other people never post the good pictures of or as good as the ones you would have taken for yourself. So I told stylist "no" for that reason. They gave me such attitude and it's hard to speak up if you feel like they may sabotage your hair for saying no. But I did eventually stop going to get my hair done professionally anyway due to bad salon experiences.
I’ve been with my stylist for a decade and she was a friend before and she always asks if her girls want to be pictured and she also asks if they want their face in the post or if she can just post their colour service!
I had a stylist do my hair and when she turned my chair I noticed I was being recorded. She never asked me. I saw my face and hair posted on her Instagram. That upset me like no other because I said something once I noticed I was being filmed.
If you precharge 100% you don’t get to charge more later. You chose to have this stupid precharge policy that means the customer gets shafted if it takes less and you get shafted id it takes more. This is why services that are variable don’t get paid until after services are rendered. Also these new stylists can’t handle all hair, they only seem to know how to do short, silky, thin hair. That’s it. I miss my old stylist, she had “growing hands,” only used black owned products and didn’t believe in chemical texture treatments. She complained lol, but she didn’t rush and took good care of my hair.
You make a great point. This was actually the first time that I have heard of a stylist making her clients pay 100% upfront, deposits yes, but not all of the money upfront. What if there is an issue ?
I agree but I think we should still have competent hairstylists who actually love taking care of natural hair. Not everyone can do their hair for different reasons (schedule, not knowing enough about hair at the moment, disabilities). These people also deserve to have a hairstyle that they love and feel confident with
Yes I’ll never forget the time I went to get box braids and the stylist complained the entire time thought I’d told her my hair length. She tore through my hair with a tiny comb and kept sighing when I asked her to use a larger comb. She charged me extra for “density and length”, though she still had to braid the same amount. She then burned the length of my braids with a lighter to “clean” them up. I had a time getting the melted braiding hair out of my head and decided that healthy hair is not everyone’s goal. I almost solely do my own hair now. I don’t want to be anyone’s burden and I would never go to a stylist that posts negatively about their clients.
I’ve had a similar experience where I went to a braider who complained about doing my hair the entire time. I regret not walking out with my $$$ bc a few weeks later, my braids started falling out’ & my hair started falling out with it! I also had horrible scalp inflammation. I think a lot of these “stylist” are purposely speaking bad energy over our hair so that it falls out.
Good morning model nurse. Unfortunately your experience sounds very familiar and I am sure any can relate. Once the stylist would not listen to you there was an issue. I am glad you mostly do your own hair now!
Little girl…break her hair up in 8 - 10 sections, apply warm water, slippery conditioner and spray diluted ACV and put her under the drier for 15 min to loosen any knots/tangles/gunk…use a tangle teaser or unbrush root to tip…she would have been detangled in 30 min including drier time…I’ve kept mini twists in 2 months and my hair looked way worse and my hair was longer. The gentleman with build up….ACV and baking soda with water and conditioner for a few minutes…or bentonite clay for 10 min would have rinsed that dirt and gunk right out…follow with conditioner to detangle…then shampoo. If these ladies can’t do hair they just need to say that. 😂 Edit: tip to root.***
❤THANK YOU. After being hospitalized & homebound for quite a while, I'm finally ready to get back out. I have bentonite clay, but wasn't sure if it could help with detangling or if I should wait & use it after detangling.
@@nilawarriorprincess I think it’s case by case...i know it stripes the hair of gunk so it may if there’s product build up? I don’t use it for detangling i use it to detox so hopefully someone who uses it more than i do can provide you some guidance. I’m not really sure.
He could have done all that with the braids still IN his head. We think once we get a style done we cannot touch our hair but that is not the case. Wash cornrows, wash braid, dreadlocs etc just like you would your skin, hair is no different.
These hairstylists complaining about the pain they feel in their arms is like a nurse complaining about being physically and mentally tired after a double shift knowing pretty well it's part of the profession they sign up for. I don't like the way they talk in their videos, they make it seem like they're doing their customers a favor just for being professional. They're not professional at all. My hair is waist length and i've been avoiding going to hair salons in years now for these reasons. I have mastered with time how to care proper care of my hair with little assistance at times.
It is so wonderful when you can see the fruits of you labor. I love doing my own hair as well. Once the first stylist saw that the young girls hair was matted, she made the decision to provide the service. Provide the service and move on and maybe even educate the mother on how to avoid this happening again.
I feel like nursing is a little different. A lot of them come into it young and money focused-- not realizing the toll it will take on them to the full extent. So I like that nurses are showing the non-glamorous side, to really expose the tradeoffs. We have a retired family friend that's a nurse and she had to have back surgery (in her 60's), she still cries every day in pain years later. I honestly feel for her. Although nurses are needed, that field might not be for everybody. Enter at your own risk.
As someone who has never had and never will have 4c hair, I could not imagine ANYONE sitting me in their chair and complaining about doing the hair that I'm paying big money to get done, and then posting that and acting like they did me a favor. This isn't normal at all and they need to start teaching more about how to do black hair in cosmetology school so that y'all have more options because what the actual fuck is thissss 😭😭😭
As a cna, who has ran into nurses and coworkers complaining about what you said, I always get so confused and low key pissed. Bc to me, it’s bare minimum. Do not ever think you aren’t giving enough in jobs where you are dealing with, working with, or healing people. Over the years you can wean on that feeling and every situation has nuance, but from majority of stances, it’s best to come into any situation in those jobs seeing the benefits of customer/individual being helped as the BARE MINIMUM. PERIOD
Idk how many times I’ve had stylists huffing and puffing while doing my hair. You’re black, I’m black, you do black hair. I booked a service you provide yet I have to feel bad and put up with attitude and remarks the whole time I’m there…
Wow, thats horrible I stopped going to hair salon years ago , I don't like people touching me and I'm very particular about my hair looking a certain way. Sorry you went through that, hope you stopped bringing her your business.
@@ShopGurl96 well obvs when you're the pretty one in any community you will always be different. If we were all the sane then it wouldn't be the same type of girls that pick on me
Yeah. I got too many complaints about how thick my hair is and a lot of rough treatment that comes with people not knowing how to manage my hair so I learned to do it myself.
@@KeyLew thick hair is a GOOD thing. That means your hair is healthy & growing the way it should. A stylist who is put off by HEALTHY hair is a major 🚩
I don’t secretly hate my clients because I thoroughly consult with them in person, before I take an appointment. This way I can see their hair condition, density, the length and any damage present. By doing this I can book my time appropriately and provide cost estimates for my guests so they can decide if I am in their budget for the service. I feel like a lot of the issues shown point to a lack of communication from the stylists to the clients. There should be no surprises because we’ve talked about all of this before making the appointment. I see the biggest issue being that many of these so-called stylists are not licensed and never went to cosmetology school to learn customer service skills and salon etiquette.
Hello and good morning, you make very great points. Consolations are so important. Communication is key. Because you see the value in customer service I hope your business thrives!
A lot of it stems from laziness or jealousy. They don't like the time it takes to properly care for thick hair. Especially the longer it is. Every time they see my hair growing, it's you should get dreads or cut it. The last Ethiopian girl that did my hair burnt it to a crisp. The white woman seemed more delighted to learn how to properly care for my hair.
I think some people thrive by posting controversial content just to find a reason to talk bad about someone. I do wish there was more education with love surrounding natural hair.
EX 3 - so comfortable showing that young ladies face, while blocking herself... SHE is worried that SHE is being taken advantage of and wants more money. You should pay HER. That young lady PAID cash money to be shamed on social media.
I was so confused. You dont want to show your face, but you want to show the clients face. My hair stylist takes pictures of my hair, not my face. We need to start saying no to stylist who record because we don't know what they are doing with the video
I fired my hairstylist years ago. What I'm hearing is a lot of these stylist gaslighting clients. Many of them act like they are doing you a favor...although you are paying for the service. Let's be honest a lot of them don't really know what they are doing anyway. Yes, some may know how to give you a style, but that's it. Most of these stylists don't understand the science of natural hair. I refuse to pay these people ridiculous prices for their services. Not go do it. I'm making out very well doing my own hair.
Yes i heard about that to. Friends of my whent to go get their hair braiding and the hair stylist always act like they doing you a favor And running their mouth reckles or pulling the hair hard for no reason pffff
Yes. Most Black 4C hair is low porosity = it does not hold water well so it's prone to dry out quickly causing breakage, damage. Our hair requires a lot of moisture and doesn't like too much heat or chemicals. We manipulate our hair too much.
Honestly, this is why I do my hair at home. I invested in a good ghd straightener for silk presses and trims and my Husband will trim my hair. I spend so much time being gentle and kind to my hair. I would be dropping hundreds of dollars at the stylist all for them to yank, tug, and rush to get me out of their chair. It was mentally distressing going into an appointment, reading all the rules on the booking website, and then worrying about the outcome. I’m happier now doing it by myself with my husband to help trim and I’ve saved so much money.
Good morning! It sound like you have your hair care down lol. I have returned to my high school stylist, just for trims. She is not going anywhere and she does not allow drama in her salon and she is honest
I feel the same way. I do my own hair. I don’t trust these stylists. I last had my hair done in 2021 and before that it was 2015. My hair grew down my back. But I made sure it was completely detangled before my last appointments. I know my stylist has lots of clients. She is very prompt and I showed my appreciation by detangling to ensure she stays prompt. Now I’m in another state, if I head back home I might have her do my hair again. Until then, I’m doing my own!
Same sick of my hair being ripped out during salon blow dries! I took painkillers out before one stylist started and they asked why I told them because last time you didn't part my hair and it hurt so much. They flat denied it but were shamed into parting and taking care that visit. I've given up the salon now. It would be nice to just sit back relax and be styled but it never happens with black salons so I can do a good enough job myself and make the time. 😭❤❤
Stay away from silk presses, it will damage natural hair. Our hair is not meant to be straight like that and some silk press products contain formaldehyde.
As a BUSY single mom balling on a BUDGET, I would NEVA take my 13 yr old daughter with FINE, high density, tightly coiled, 4C mid back length hair 👩🏽🦱➿to ANYBODY Professional Most desired or NOT that Doesn’t WANT to do my daughter’s hair. If the stylist is GRIPING and Complaining and UPCHARGING then they can just do their “so many OTHER services “ and make ALL the money they want. Like seriously why are these ppl even still doing the very hair that they hate. Ugg. I pray that girl and mother aren’t embarrassed and traumatized from all that hate and negative projection. It be your own ppl. 🙄🙄🙄
As a now 30-year-old adult who was once that little girl with the exact same hair as your daughter, I love how you're protecting her from harmful hair stylists. My mom took me to hair stylists who would use adult relaxer on my hair and then leave it on until it started burning because "that means it's working." Even with natural hair, I still run into hair stylists who treat my hair like it's a chore and just want to pull and tug it into submission. I now see a stylist who concentrates in hair health and developing a healthy mindset toward doing your own hair. She's encouraged me to try low-tension, low-maintenance styles that I once thought would be unflattering on me and I'm already seeing a positive change in how my hair is growing.
I'm currently in the process of finding a stylist to braid my hair. When I ask for PROFESSIONAL recommendations I've noticed that people don't know what professional means. I'm getting all kinds of off the wall recommendations and I think I may just keep braiding my own hair. I don't know why we have to tell people that I don't want to be in a strangers house or I don't want a complete stranger coming into my house where I keep all my valuables. I don't know why we have to deal with people who don't communicate properly, don't have any formal training, but also want to charge more than people with actual legitimate businesses. I don't know why it has to be said that you should ask permission before expecting to take photos/videos of your clients and that you should be ok with a "no" if they are not comfortable being free models for you or having their personal info talked about online or having them bashed online simply because you don't like your job. Why is this increasingly such a hostile endeavor just finding a decent person who likes their job and actually cares about the health of their client's hair? It truly ridiculous.
Good morning. I think you make very good points. Back in 2014 when I had a terrible experience in a salon I decided the next day I was going to learn how to flat iron my own hair. It came out crazy lol the first time but I have gotten much better. Even for the braiding, I am hearing horror stories about unprofessionalism, long hours, ridiculous rules, expensive pricing, and soap opera moments happening in the salon.
@@KlassicallyKept I would love to go to a professional more often but I’m recovering from damage done at another stylist’s salon. I’m regrowing out my natural hair (love your hair care videos) and don’t want to go to someone that braids too tightly or is generally very rough with my natural hair. I’ll keep looking and hoping for the best.
@@traetrae11good luck on your search girl. I'm on the lookout too. I've found even the folks who say their natural hair specialists are doing some very questionable things in my hair.
An observation as a woman who has always had long thick hair and now in my 30s (decades of salon customer experience)…and someone who sometimes uses social media. I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN A STYLIST WITH HAIR DOWN HER BACK TREAT CLIENTS LIKE THESE EXAMPLES IN THIS VIDEO. Granted we can’t see all of the stylists faces and hair…but i said what i said. Come to whatever hypothesis you wanna come to based on my observation.
This is factual. My mom always said, “if the person doing your hair ain’t got no hair or it’s unhealthy all around- don’t let them do yours!” 😂 My stylist as a child had very healthy long hair. She had the best, most gentle hands. I wish I could go to her now as an adult.
Most stylists do NOT like to see thick long 4c hair coming. I have had some rough experiences. The only one I would trust is SAMANTHA at NEW GROWTH NATURALS in the Cayman Islands. She is amazing with long thick 4c hair, and it's fun to watch her clients' growth journeys. Her channel is great!
Agree! Her channel is EXCELLENT. She takes her time throughout the process, educates her clients, is passionate about healthy haircare & has grown her own luscious 4c hair😊👍🏾
@@KlassicallyKept yes! The fun part is watching her clients' hair grow as they come back month after month. I soooo want to go get my hair done by her!
This is why I loc’d and I do my own hair. I ain’t got time for negative energy and verbal foolishness! And don’t be recording me unless I give my permission, please, thank you, and you’re welcome ma’am/sir!!!!
@@KlassicallyKept Thank you, Queen! I love your hair and how you educate our young queens on keeping it classy! Each one, teach one, so that we all can reach at least one! May God bless and keep you! 💐💐💐🫂💞💞💞👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
my exact reason ! the day the african ladies called my hair ugly in french (which i could understand, and their hair wasn’t any better) was the day i decided enough was enough .
2:05 She’s not even cutting the hair properly. No one forced her to detangle the hair. She could’ve requested the twists be taken down before the service so to complain and post it on SM wasn’t necessary. It took me 2 days to take down my micro twists (200 plus) last month, so I know the struggle. The stylist braided the roots which will start to lock if I leave them in for more than two months. I usually leave them in 2-3 months. But I think she does it on purpose to get me to take them down and come back sooner. Which is why after her doing this and my asking her not to for 2 installs, I won’t be going back. Stylists shouldn’t be stylists if they are not up to the tasks.
The girl hair didn't even look matted. It looks extremely thick and long. I have the same texture hair and it takes some time to detangle whether I keep a hairstyle for 1 week or 2 months. These hair stylist now are lazy then want to tape people for likes. It's so disrespectful. This is why I do my own hair.
The last time I went for a wash, blow dry and trim…she literally detangled my hair with a rat tail comb. Like an idiot, I sat there and let her do it, thinking, she’s the professional and she knows what she is doing. I was soooo anxious the entire time. The end result was ok, but I have no idea how much hair I lost. I will do my OWN shampoo, wash and detangle from now on. My hair is super FINE and tangles too easily for a rush job.Love your videos 😘
Hey Neicy and thank you! Yes! In 2014 I experience this as well. I had a stylist take a rattail comb and attempt to detangle my hair after it had been in mini twists for weeks. I did not speak up even though I could hear my hair snapping ( she was the professional). That night I made it my mission to really learn my natural hair. I am so glad that you are doing your own hair.
This shows you that it isnt enough to just be a good stylist. You need to have good manners and customer care skills. People are not just coming for a hairstyle. They are coming for the experience, which IS YOU because you are who they are going to experience. The lack of respect for others and their intimate lives saddens me. Nobody raises their hand to say, "Hey, embarrass me, harass me, talk bad about me on social media or anywhere else as a matter of fact. I want to be clowned." No one says that. Shame on the stylists who are in the hair business, but then complain, gripe, and talk about their clients for not being their "ideal" or perfect hair client. You dont get to complain and disrespect the clients when they aren't what you imagined when YOU chose this profession, and its not a perfect one. You will have many wild cards in the hair business, but that is to be expected if you are really there to help and SERVE ALL clients who come to you. Be grateful and be quiet. Since this is something people like to do, i would ask if the stylist has a social media page and just watch their content for weeks or months just to see if they are worthy of touching my head. Bring back good customer care and stylists who are there for you, not just the money. This is not a money business, but an experience for those who come to you. How do you want others to experience you?
There's no safe space for black women's hair. It be your own people that complain about how difficult our hair is WHILE knowing very well that our hair just requires time, and patience. It's sad.
When its your passion vs your only means of survival you will approach clients differently. I'm looking at the comments and alot of ppl like myself have decided to do our own hair at home and not have these negative stylist with negative energy putting stress and damage on our crown. I'm a man and I don't even go to the barbershop anymore. These ppl are not happy and joyful to service our hair and its our own people smh. No one has touched my hair since 2020, my hair is growing down my back and I give myself blowouts in the cooler months and dust and trim my ends as needed. No coloring or using excessive heat regularly.No tight braids exposing my scalp and I stick with twist mostly. Blue magic, jamaican black castor oil. Keep it simple folks.
I don’t understand it because damned if you got long healthy hair but also damned if you got scoop of hair. I found beautician who loves doing hair, they can keep social media stylist it’s all aesthetic
This happened to me and the stylist had the nerve to mock me for bringing my own shampoo and conditioner. She still did a horrible job and I was left with severe heat damage.
Interesting, in my experience the whole point of going to the salon is getting expensive, quality products as part of the service. I'm not a beautician but I would be reluctant to use products that I was not familiar with simply because the outcome might not be predictable and I don't know how well those products work with the other products I have. She shouldn't have mocked you that's just plain rude, but we definitely would have needed to discuss the products and what your goals were before I did your hair.
@AyeliaGDoren I literally see some professional stylists using cheap stuff you can get at Sally's or Asian beauty supply such as Lusters Pink, ORS, and Cantu. Smh
I am a natural hair stylist and I love what I do! And I love my clients and caring for their hair🤗 I would never talk about a client like this. It's just not my style... I would give her a regime to follow to never have to deal with issues like this again.
I think that's a best method. If you want their hair to be a certain way, give them in between session techniques that they can do to keep it manageable until the next appointment. I'm willing to follow the professional's advice if it's simple. I need simple because the way my adhd is set up if it's beyond 3 steps, my brain can't even get started 😂
Ok the fact that she said she usually only braids for an hour is INSANE!!!…people have different lengths of hair as well as hair texture and what about if someone is tender headed and you have to be more gentle…these stylists are airing people out and really all of this is a part of what a cosmetologist will experience with their clients!…I could go on,but why?!
I know nothing abut weave, but again as I stated, caring for natural hair is going to take longer, we know this. I am not sure why the stylist only expects to braid everyone's hair for only an hour.
5:20 ASKING YOUR INSTA FOLLOWERS IF YOU SHOULD CHARGE A CLIENT MORE AS YOU GO IS INSANE!!!😱 Not to mention borderline illegal, I assume??? Most salons display their price in a list ( they have to by law, as far as I know), so once a client enters, they expect to pay the fixed price. A stylist can't simply make the final cost as they go- that's bananas! Not to mention that showcasing the face of a client - especially a young lady - is so disrespectful. Putting out content of your day job in social media is getting ridiculous, one of these days we're going to need laws for this nonsense 😭
yesss like your followers aren't responsible for your business, you are! what the hell do they know. Plus, what if the client was following her social media and saw that with her own eyes? 😩😩
It’s your job to do hair, no?… 👀😂😂 I’m so glad you posted this. The disparaging natural hair comments have become too normalized online and in person. I don’t think stylists realize the harm they do to the community and their reputations when they behave like this. Also, if those clients hair was an issue then why are those stylists going on to film and monetize them? I know they’re not discounting the services rendered. This, among other things, are why people have leaned into YT university. They’ll figure it out eventually.
I think you make some great points. If they had the clients permission I don't think filming is an issue, however; I know the clients did not appreciate the commentary. Use the experience as teachable moment for your audience and the customer. When I went natural RUclips University is the first place I went lol.
The challenge is that the algorithms reward negativity. Negative videos get much more engagement vs. positive videos. It's why you see all these "race to the bottom" comments now. People repost it, stitch it, and otherwise engage to say why it isn't true or why they are different etc. the best thing to do to any negative videos is ignore it. DO NOT leave a comment, don't even finish watching it. Ignore it. Also always comment ;) on videos you want to see more of and share those
Yep. Back in the day ‘don’t feed the troll’ was the rule. People still weren’t perfect at following it, but it got soooo much worse after social media algorithms started aggressively demanding toxicity and rage bait so they can drive eyes on ads. And SUPPRESSING stuff that isn’t toxic, even if you’re specifically following people.
You don't need bad energy in your hair. Go somewhere you and your hair/hair type is valued. Hair is a crown, especially for us women and girls, no matter the color/ethnicity. These women are so unprofessional. Good energy only.
I used to get my hair heat straightened at a salon. I did this from my teens to early 30s. My hair got so damaged. I've been doing my own hair since 2020. But I have found a stylist who gives me silk presses from time to time. Her Google reviews are 5 stars. She is professional and does a great job.
Most hairstylists hate doing natural hair. They want to put chemical straighteners in your hair or good-bye. They don’t even want to give you a silk press, braids or any type of natural style.
@@sammy4634well that makes sense if it’s easier for them that they’d want to do that instead. I have back length natural hair and I’m proud of it but it is a pain to do.
This is why I'm scared to go to a stylist. I have Sickle Cell Anemia & after a VERY long hospital visit, plus being stuck in bed for months afterwards, my hair is in an awful state. Thankfully, I finally figured out how to prevent it from matting so that it won't happen again; but I don't know what to do in the meantime.
This is my fear as a warrior. How to take care of my hair when I am in a very long crisis. When I feel one on coming, I put in a protective style, but those sudden crises are horrible. My hair has been left in a horrible state. It’s embarrassing, another blow to my self esteem. I hate it
If/when I have children I would probably not allow their hairstylist to post videos or photos of my kids with their faces clearly showing tbh. And honestly it baffles me that there are people complaining about their clients online. Your business' social media is not your personal diary. I remember being a little kid and assuming that grown ups know better than me and have their lives together...now I'm in my 20s and realizing that some people never grew up!
I do my own hair since going natural. When I get my 4c thick hair braided I always wash, deep condition. moisturize and stretch my own hair for the stylist to braid ONLY. The way my hair shrinks after a wash oh no! I don’t want anyone pulling on my hair so, I’d rather do all the prep work myself. I’ve been using the same braider for years and never an issue. I wish more stylist would use their complaints as teachable moments.
Hello Shay! I love that you do the prep wok yourself! This doesn't leave any room for error. For my wedding I washed and blow dried my hair and the stylist only styled my hair and did a touch-up. I agree, all of these video could have been teachable moments.
Honestly, I used to go to a hairstyle that complained the whole time when I went natural in 1999, and I'd only go every 6 weeks after taking out my braids after transitioning from relaxed to natural. After the third time, I just stopped going all together, and to this day, he's no longer doing hair. He stopped doing hair 2006 and opened a restaurant. In my opinion, I believe at some point the joy of a career is no longer a joy but means to pay the bills.
I think you made a great point and observation. As a client I do not want to feel like I am bothering you or that you are not going to take the time to properly care for my hair because it is a means to end. Loosing your passion for something is find but the person needs to pivot and/or take a break and then possibly come back.
I just had this convo with my hair stylist. I mentioned that I don’t like when stylist harp on how thick my hair is. I get it can be a compliment, but when said repeatedly, it sounds like complaining. And that’s a sign for me to find someone else. My current hairstylist always says that stylist forget that they are in the business of customer service.
This is why I do my own hair. That crochet retwist is no joke, but when I start to get tired or annoyed I stop. Not putting that negativity into my crown, plssss 😭
This reminds of an experience I had with my old stylist back when I used to get relaxers. A mother brought her natural hair daughter into the shop and my stylist complained LOUDLY about how tangled the hair was, and how much time it took her, and just made that poor girl feel terrible. She even told the mom to either put a relaxer in her hair or literally don't come back. That was a defining moment that stuck with me over 15 years later. I couldn't believe how much my stylist hated natural hair.
Then the stylist should have charged $$ appropriate and not complained. Hair stylist pay to go to schools and licensed. They need to be paid for time and experience. Don’t tip your waiter and pay more for a restaurant meal more than a stylist that preforms magic and experience on your hair. That use to piss me off when a waiter would make more tip than I did as licensed professional
This is why I learnt how to do my own hair, yes it takes longer but it’s better than ending up in these situations (not victim blaming btw) I love my hair and don’t want hateful/bad intention hands touching them
MAAAANNNNN this is an OUTSTANDING VIDEO~ Props to you Sis. This happens so often in the black community and it's a disgrace to our culture. My daughters have experienced this situation in the past, and now they take care of their own hair and have permanently shied away from hair stylists in general. Thank you for this overdue video on this topic! In addition, I haven't seen nor heard of any other nation of people posting negative videos regarding their client's hair chronicles. Black folk please show more professionalism and kindness to your clients.
Good morning and thank you. I love doing my hair at home as well, I find it very therapeutic. I had a set back in 2014 and I vowed to learn how to straighten my hair. The first year I did it I looked crazy lol, but it has gotten better ( I straightened my hair once a year.) I am glad that your daughters are taking care of their hair.
Girl! I have been on the search for a decent natural hairstylist for the past 🤔 . . . . . .decade! This subject is very close to my heart. I've had the stylists who have fried my hair, the stylist who have openly said disparaging things about my hair, the stylists who quote one price and then increase it when it comes time to pay. The stylist who cut off all progress I've made with their 'trims', the stylist who gave me headache braiding so tight then she refused to redo them and tried tell me its better for it to be tight so it can last longer 🙄. I've had the stylist who told me my appointment for microbraids was 2pm and when I arrived I was third in the cue with other women getting microbraids by this one women 😂 I've been to the natural specialist who don't do nothing different than the other stylist but charge more. I've been to the pretty salon where they give you cake and tea, charge the world and still rip your hair out. I've had the stylists who have refused to wash my hair. Man, I've had so many rubbish experiences with hair stylists. I've come home crying, its made me a little depressed because I just don't want to deal with the negativity. I've doubted myself - are my standards too high? I've reduced my standards a bit (e.g. im no longer disregarding you if you blowdry my hair), but I wont reduce any further (we aint detangling with a rat comb!). I do the majority of my hair now, but I am not great at styling. I'm slowly improving. I would like to treat myself to visiting a hairdresser from time to time. After a two year hiatus from stylists, I started my search again this year. Ive had a few bad experiences of course, but some positive too. I found a lady I really want to try out but shes currently on maternity leave ❤ shes expensive and if shes good I wont be able to go often, but I'm excited at the possibility. I'll check her out on her return. Last month I found a lady who actually complimented me on my hair and said thank you for trusting me with your hair, I'll look after it 😮 I was gobsmacked! She did a beautiful style. She lost points on slathering my scalp in gel (which seems to be the new thing these days) and I waited 30mins to be seen, but all in all not a bad experience - I will check her again and see what we can do about the use of gel 😊 wish me luck. Thank you ladies for reading x
Good morning, thank you for sharing this. You have had many bad experiences and I wish stylist would actually take time to listen. I hope the stylist you found will listen to you about the gel and the stylist on maternity, I hope she does a good job as well. But you have pointed out what some many others in the comments have. The come washed and blow dried trend is mind boggling to me , but many people have stated that they say this because they are not actually licensed which is a problem within it self. I am also glad that you are able to do your own now!
Thank you for expressing this. As African American people our hair is still part of the "indentity" conversation. Embracing my natural hair was part of my journey of learning to love and accept my own ethnicity. I am not casting shade on my sisters who choose to relax or press or treat their hair. But I had to take the "I'm not white" journey for my own self acceptance. If my hairdresser, another Black woman treated me as if my Blackness was too much trouble, it would hurt a great deal. As you mention, all any professional ever has to say is, "I'm sorry, but these are my boundaries for my work." And then they can negotiate a price with you or let you find someone else.
RUclips really is up in my business.🤣 Experienced this exact issue over the weekend. Went to a salon that advertised that they do natural hair and the black stylist behaved like it was a burden to do a basic blow dry with 2 crown braids. For the record, my hair was neither matted or tangled. I wash, deep condition, and stretch/blow dry my hair regularly. I also cut my ends at least once every 6-8 weeks to get rid of splits (I've found that smoother ends make styling my own hair easier). The two main reasons I showed up at this salon was 1) to get a metal detox and 2) this stylist had solicited me previously, asking me to 'please support your black sister'. Well, what a bad decision that was. The first offence was her double booking me with another client. But I kept it chill, I reasoned she was trying to hustle and make some money over the long weekend. The second offence, came when she blow dried my hair - like she was dealing with a hog . She didn't section the hair like anyone with common sense would, instead just raked a comb through for the blow dry. 3) Third, she attempted to use a hot comb on my hair while it was still damp. When I told her no, to dry it properly first to prevent heat damage, she caught an attitude. 4) She put in 2 braids in my hair with Kanekalon and skipped applying hot water to seal the ends. When I asked about it, she made some nonsensical excuse about the water in the kettle being too low (what?) and just sprayed Got2B on it. Listen, I wanted so badly leave that salon! Wanted to dip right in the middle of that satanic blow dry. Unfortunately for me, the salon is located in a crowded shopping center and I didn't bring a hat/bandana/hair wrap with me. I didn't want to humiliate myself walking through the center with my hair in disarray and all and sundry races looking at me. Boy what a hard lesson but it was well-learnt. Always have a bug-out plan: bring some sort of hair covering with you in case you need to dip. If the vibes aren't right and they are unprofessional, pay your tab and leave.
Good morning, thank you for sharing this. As you stated there were many issues with your salon experience. Back in 2014 I would not have stood up for myself, but today is a different story. I think for me once she tried to dry my wet hair with the hot comb and caught an attitude that would have been it, but I understand where you are coming from.
I wouldn't have cared what people thought if I needed to walk out. I'd let it be a warning to others not to go there. I have and will continue to leave spaces where I'm not being treated with respect or kindness. My time and money are important too.
I know how my hair can get, so I have decided to do it myself most of the time. I have a stylist who I have had since I was relaxed. She does deal with natural hair and always has, but I find that in my natural hair situation, I should do my hair myself most of the time because my hair is a lot and can take a very long time to detangle and style. The last time I went, she blew off like wow, this is taking a while. From the reaction, I decided to ease off on my visits and do my hair most of the time. I agree. The attitude indicates the quality of the service, so I decided to ease off to avoid the situation and potential hair damage due to mechanical damage from rough combing, etc, because I have experienced this before.
Good morning TMT. I am glad that you recognized that your stylist was not up to the task and started doing your own hair. Her reaction is unfortunate as I am sure it made you feel uneasy.
This is why folks gotta continue to learn to do your own hair. Thank God for RUclips! Thank you for this video. These stylist remember one thing, if we don't sit in your chair...you don't eat. period!
This!!! I can’t with some of these stylists 🙂↔️🙂↔️🙂↔️. I’m very fortunate that I was able to find a stylist with great prices and fantastic service. I think it’s ridiculous that they want to complain but charge the clients unadulterated prices 😒. If you’re frustrated doing hair even after you charge people exorbitant prices then you shouldn’t be doing hair.
Thank you for discussing this topic. These stylists are acting like they aren’t getting paid for their services. In my 50 plus years, I’ve had my share of stylists saying something demeaning about my hair or rolling their eyes when I discussed how I wanted my hair styled, or something. They just seemed miserable overall. And this was when I was relaxed! I’ve been natural for over 20 years. I’ve probably gone to a stylist about 50 times out of all of the years that I’ve been natural. Most of these times included a lot of visits to a woman barber who I stopped going too once she started getting funny when I requested a certain cut. Thankfully, I have trained myself to bleach and “barber” my own hair. I can save money and keep my peace. I haven’t learned how to fade it, but what I can do gets compliments. It’s crazy that these negative comments are coming from stylists who have hair textures similar to their clients! Stylists: please get an attitude adjustment! We are not requesting free services!
Hello Luv, I love that you have learned how to take of and style your own hair. I love doing my hair as well, plus I get to do it in the comforts of my own home with snacks!
I don't want any hair stylist's hand's NOR unstable spirit in the hair on my head spilling those negative vibes into my Precious Roots and hair stunting it's growth and my Positive Spirit. Just because one has the gift of hair care & "designing" does not mean they Care for The Client in their chair regardless of the walk-in hair condition. Make it a loving TLC teachable moment so the man, woman, boy, or girl leaves your chair looking, feeling more Superb than when they entered. Get your mindset Professionally Correct AND PUT YOUR PHONE AWAY. I'ma just continue Doing my own hair. Thank you for your Enlightening, very much needed Commentary, young Lady. peaceloveblessingsnowalways 🌱 to All
Hello Mya I agree she didn’t have to talk about the young lady‘s hair like that.The second young lady she should have discussed payment before the service. They need to talk more with their clients instead of making fun of them. That’s why I do my own hair.💜🌸
Great topic to discuss! Yes. I learned how to care for my own hair for reasons that others have already stated. It is an honor for anyone to put their hands in my hair. Also if this is your profession stop complaining. People go to you for help. SM gets exhausting. Please stop trying to embarrass people online for likes and views. I used to sit there silent and have my feelings hurt back in the day when beauticians would complain to me about my thick and long hair. This was back when I had a relaxer waist length hair. Now my hair is even longer chemical free. I’ve done my hair myself ever since I transitioned. I go to my cousin for trims. Just my personal experience. All the points you made in this video were spot on! ❤
Good morning and thank you. It is unfortunate that when you were young stylist were not kind to you, but I am glad that you are tending to your own hair now. I have returned to my high school stylist for trims only. I care for the rest at home.
I use to have long healthy natural hair when I was teenage. My hairdresser use to hate doing my hair >>> her bad energy and bad habit broke my loooong hair. 😢😢 Since then, I chose very well who touch my hair. Most of the time, I do my hair alone.
Good morning. I am sorry you experienced that but I am glad you are on the road to recovery! Just like you I am very selective about who does my hair. At the moment I have chosen to go back to my stylist from high school for trims only. I take care of the rest at home.
It is amazing to see this natural hair revolution. I love wigs, too, I love having the ability to look drastically different to suit any occasion. But the natural hair movement is about way more than hair and I think y'all know that. I'm so happy and proud of all of you young women. You are going to be running the world. I promise you. And you are more than prepared. This channel is amazing! ❤❤
12:03 Shout this from the mountaintop. This PSA is needed about boundaries and respecting others’ private business. One person’s decision to get things off their chest on social media by shaming others may have a domino effect on many people’s lives.
Happy this video shows how I feel when it comes to certain hairstylist which is too common. Last time I walked in the salon was to get an estimate. Two different places said "your hair is super thick" not just once but they keep reminding me my hair is thick in a neutral tone. I didn't bother booking with either places due to my period in High School and Middle School, it was the same thing..except my mom paid for it and boy...it was just complaining about my thick hair. I'm glad as an adult I can do my hair but some days I want to relax and pay for their services. One day..I'll find that gem. However, sad it's not a priority to desperately search for one due to bad experiences.
Hello. I think you have voiced what a lot of women go through and how they feel. I am sure most women can attest to this, but head massages at the wash bowl are heaven lol. That was my favorite part and don't let the products have that cooling sensation! I love doing my hair as well, but sometimes it would be nice to be pampered and not have to worry about whether or not my stylist is actually taking the time to care for my hair. I would even pay extra, but it needs to be done properly. Treat my hair like silk lol.
Finding a natural hair salon was the best thing ever! I love my stylist she has 4c too and had to grow out her hair. They are out there, I pay more when I go but my hair is thriving 🎉
Hi Mya! Great video and very informative. I think a lot of stylist start VERY young and some even get their cosmetology license in high school. So many are burned out, probably lost their passion for hair and feel stuck. That said - just like with any other career you need to know when/how to pivot into something else. Just my two cents. Stay blessed!🥰
Good morning! I think you make a great point as well. Many people in the community have pointed out many stylist have not gone to cosmetology school and may lack the knowledge about professionalism. There are issues and pain-points with all careers, you just have to decide if you are going to be able to deal with them. And then if not, as yousad, pivot.
It is insane for her to say she was not paid enough. She made almost 3x the daily wage, which was 1.5x my car payments- in 1 day. if she charges every client similar she would make around 150,000 yearly - that's 11 perfect of “top earning” women Remember that stylists charge multiple pay scales on top of the multiple service fees. -flat rate -hourly -labor -the included a tip in the service fee - a $20 in cash tip -length (anything pass chin😂) - thickness- (which is practically non-biracial woman fee) So them debating to still charge after payment makes my blood boil. It should be mandated Sylist need to pass a professionalism course every six months to keep their license😒
I stopped relaxing my hair in 2008, which is also when I gave up biweekly hair salon visits. People need to understand that when you pay someone for a service, it’s a transaction. The person providing the service isn’t doing you a favor; they are being paid. With that in mind, issues like pricing and pain management are personal matters that should be handled on the stylist’s own time. Getting paid to perform a service, then posting offensive content about the clients afterward, is absurd. People seem to take pride in their unprofessionalism, all for a few clicks and likes. The morale is just in the gutter across so many industries right now.
Such a great video! Thank you for keeping it real and holding the unprofessional stylists accountable. They really need to stop doing this mess... smh!
Social media has made unprofessionalism trendy.
This!
I agree!
I’m middle aged and unprofessionalism has always been around. Social media is just exposing what was already there.
Absolutely!
Exactly! People will do and say anything for views.
Black hair stylists…charge you for having black hair…and even more if it’s actually long/thick and healthy! 😂 the irony!!!
I'm wondering when that started!!! Beauticians use to loooove to have clients with thick healthy hair. It was literally walking advertisements. Recommendations are how a lot of Beauticians get new clients!
I’m a licensed cosmetologist- length matters and density matters only because of the amount of time it takes. For instance, if someone has less density and shorter hair it won’t take as long. Also, the cost of product.
Even if it's not thick.. In my case they hate that it's long, fine, and not 4C.
Internalized racism
Thank you !!@@rashaetate310 Great products are NOT cheap.
I will NEVER FORGET this incident from 45 years ago. I was sitting having my hair done when a beautiful teenaged Indian girl came in. All the stylists were fawning over her thick, waist-length hair and told her how wonderful she'd look with a cute, short hair-style. One by one, they all chimed in and encouraged her to try something new. This group of stylists cajoled her into getting her locks chopped off really short. When she saw the 'new look', she immediately started bawling. After she left, the stylists gleefully laughed and mocked her. They were motivated out of jealousy. Hateful women.
I understand why this story stuck with you. Those women were horrible.
OMG! Monsters among us.
Probably used that hair for weaves and made a profit.
I had a stylist comb my thick coarse hair with one of those skinny rat tail combs 😭 and she’s like “ you have pretty hair” while hearing my hair snap
As soon as I saw Indian I went "uh oh". They definitely wanted her hair for weave bundles smh
This is def why I do my own hair. I don’t want anyone’s hands in my head that has bad intentions / energy.
Agreed !
I love doing my hair !
This 💯
Right! Keep your 👿negative energy hands 🤲🏾 out my head and far away from me and my daughter
@@truthserum1271 Exactly! 💯💫
Same!!
Well, they bullied the mess out of Black women for getting perms. Now they're complaining about the hair being too difficult to work with. You can't please these crazy people.
U better say that
Right!
Bullied?!!! lol 😆 if y’all want the cancer, be my guest!
@@_gonna_renew_my_sinew You proved my point perfectly.
Agree
She doesn't hate doing your hair. She's hating on you and your hair, there is a big difference. Your hair is gorgeous.
Yesss I’ve always said this!!! I’ll never trust someone with less hair than mine or a thicker texture, not because I think my hair is better, but bc societal standards has black folks convinced that long & straighter texture is “good hair”… I don’t think that way but I can’t help if someone else does. As soon as I hear, “ohhh you got that good hair”… ima get a “stomach ache”… It’s truly sad…
Yeah She could be jealous
@@AConundrumPodcastOmg yes! When your hair is fine, long, AND you're pretty... It's going to be an issue.
@@AConundrumPodcast I heard it a lot as minor. You have good pretty hair. When are you getting a relaxer?
@@AConundrumPodcast ugh It's such a gross mindset.
EXACTLY…she accepted the client!…case closed!
I hope the client sees her post and never returns!…I also hope she takes better care of her hair!
lol that is really all there is to say.
And if she really could have done so many other services in that time why did her appointment book have that 5 empty hours in it?
@@aj7058 I do 5 & 6 hour services all the time. It’s called a scheduled appointment.
Even when I was a kid, I HATED the energy of most hairdressers towards my hair. They always make you feel like you’re the problem for even making an Appointment the whole time and you pay them.
Its torture :(
Most when younger were also tearing it from the root first when detangling. They're black too. I hated getting my hair done and my own mother didn't like doing it either. Never learned to work with it and just relaxed it when I was "old enough".
Exactly. I’m not superstitious but that attitude is disturbing on a spiritual level. Not to be taken lightly
I don't think it's just that they hate doing your hair, it's that they hate seeing black women with healthy natural hair.
It's so sad. I saw one video where the guy was pulling a lady's ends saying it's dead ends. And he was cutting them. All he had to do was comb it out and he would have seen that it was shrinkage. As a hairstylist, they should know this. And it's not the first video of it's kind that I've seen. I was so mad for her. He cut her long healthy hair for no reason.
I only allow my mum and sister to touch my hair now. You never know people's intentions.
You are absolutely right, they don’t want to see their own have longer hair, which is dumb, not knowing they will eventually lose the client. Smh
@@MH-hw4uh right! I’ve noticed a lot of these stylists complain when we have thicker, longer hair but isn’t that a Good thing?? If a stylist complains about your hair being thick & Healthy, I would run 🏃♀️ in the opposite direction bc she’s about to ruin all your progress
@@nicki1197 🤣 Exactly!!
I have gone back to my high school stylist for trims only.
I take care of the rest at home.
@@nicki1197I wish I had seen comments like this years ago. My stylist would make comments about my thick hair saying it looked like I was wearing a helmet or I looked like a lion’s mane. All the while charging my mom $400 for a simple wash and trim which was actually a cut. Never again.
These people aren't actually trained in hair health. They're trained in hairSTYLES. Please seek a stylist that cares about the health of your hair, those never talk about hair like this. They're rare but they're out there. The more simple they are (no hair product gimmicks, "natural" masks and products, no fearmongering over oils etc), the better they are. My stylist is wonderful and she doesn't even have social media. My hair FLOURISHED after I met her.
Naptrual85/Kinky styles 1980 very good healthy hair channels
You are telling the gospel truth.
You can’t let ppl who have internalized self h8 touch your head. I think most of these “stylists” open their businesses hoping to get clients with looser type 3 hair. (I’ve even seen a stylist on facebook post a comment saying “don’t expect your braids to look good if your hair looks like this”) & then she posted a picture of a woman with thick , healthy 4c hair😭 a lot of them really can’t stand their own clients but they’ll still take your $$ & play around in your hair & give you heat damage or breakage just so they can pay their bills😒
Agreed. Social media has really exposed the self-hate. I finally understand why hair in our communities was so broken off for decades. There's no love.
This sounds like woman who went viral for posting " not accepting 4c clients at this time."
Yes they will. And they will also try to talk you out of styles you know your hair can do because they are haters or can’t execute the style and don’t want to tell you.
Yes they want us to pay for their Benz and vacations in Cancun
It’s wild bc braids look best on type 4 hair, specifically 4c. The hate is REAL.
I'm so sick of stylists calling uneven ends or ends that are not stretched fully as split ends. If the client wants even ends for the straight style, that's one thing but just because the ends are not even going from curly to straight doesn't mean they are split.
Agreed. What happened to hair growing at different speeds?! Everything ain't split ends.
@@ladybluelotus exactly. I had postpartum shedding 2 years ago and now I have collarbone new growth right next to the other bra strap hair that didn't shed. I'm not going to cut all my hair to collarbone for it to be even.
congrats on your bundle of joy!
There is beauty in imperfection.
Some stylist are not actually aware of what splits end are or look like.
💯 I have people still arguing with me from a video more than six months ago that I commented on. They did a blunt cut up to a girl's shoulders on mid to lower back hair. She didn't need that much taken off and her hair was not fully straightened to assess that it was so damaged beyond repair. I had so many people arguing with me saying the girl had damaged hair and it need to be cut all the way off.
I asked a stylist once, do you refund people with short hair that took 20 mins to braid instead of an hour? some people hair take longer , some people not so much , she said no, ok well why charge more for longer hair no answer
There’s a thing called a “base rate”. Bare minimum to do the service, extra for additional services/add ons/extra time.
@@03nowwow correct, not my issue here I asked about a refund for short hair, and I was talking to my mom. I'm very clear on a "base rate "...not even close to slow .You my dear didn't understand the question
@@ronid816 there would be no discount because you paid the base rate. Again, no lower price for short hair as you were already paying the lowest she’d do your hair for.
I actually did have a barber give me a discount for a quick/easy job. So, sometimes it happens.
Probably because the answer was obvious sis 😅
Depression is real and when you going through it taking care of your hair is sometimes the last thing you think about if at all. People need to have some understanding that not everyone has the ability to properly take care of their hair.
There's a lady on RUclips who cleans houses for free, mostly for people with mental health issues who either hoard or neglect their homes. It's satisfying watching her work, but even more is her empathy when she explains the limitations people have bc their energy, executive function/motivation, and self-esteem/self-care are naturally low. Your comment reminded me of her voiceovers. Sometimes we need to be reminded that everyone struggles differently, some more deeply and debilitatingly than others.
Black service providers? Take mental health into consideration and have empathy? Baby, that is one tough thing to find. They will coo in your ear in the chair and cackle once the salon door closes. Ask me how I know.
@@JR-lq5eh Thank u, people tend to forget black women can be depressed too but it’s always labeled as having an attitude
Do they ask customers if they want to be recorded and post on social media.
I am not sure, but I know they would not appreciate the commentary.
Yes, but they catch mad attitude if you tell them no. I don't like my photograph taken by others as I don't feel like I'm photogenic. And usually other people never post the good pictures of or as good as the ones you would have taken for yourself. So I told stylist "no" for that reason. They gave me such attitude and it's hard to speak up if you feel like they may sabotage your hair for saying no. But I did eventually stop going to get my hair done professionally anyway due to bad salon experiences.
A lot don’t! They don’t see any issue with secretly filming you as long as your face isn’t shown. I’ve corrected a couple of stylists for doing that.
I’ve been with my stylist for a decade and she was a friend before and she always asks if her girls want to be pictured and she also asks if they want their face in the post or if she can just post their colour service!
I had a stylist do my hair and when she turned my chair I noticed I was being recorded. She never asked me. I saw my face and hair posted on her Instagram. That upset me like no other because I said something once I noticed I was being filmed.
If you precharge 100% you don’t get to charge more later. You chose to have this stupid precharge policy that means the customer gets shafted if it takes less and you get shafted id it takes more. This is why services that are variable don’t get paid until after services are rendered. Also these new stylists can’t handle all hair, they only seem to know how to do short, silky, thin hair. That’s it. I miss my old stylist, she had “growing hands,” only used black owned products and didn’t believe in chemical texture treatments. She complained lol, but she didn’t rush and took good care of my hair.
You make a great point. This was actually the first time that I have heard of a stylist making her clients pay 100% upfront, deposits yes, but not all of the money upfront. What if there is an issue ?
I can't imagine paying 100% before service is rendered. Like what if I don't like it or they just straight up scam me?
Start. Doing. Your. OWN. Hair. #NoMoreHairStylists #Ever
I’m doing my own hair for my wedding and I practice the style every Saturday 👩🏾🦰
I can’t I don’t know how
Yes you can! I'm 65 and learning through practice and so happy I gave myself a chance. Believe in yourself 😊💜🌱🌹
I love doing my own hair, I find it very therapeutic.
I agree but I think we should still have competent hairstylists who actually love taking care of natural hair. Not everyone can do their hair for different reasons (schedule, not knowing enough about hair at the moment, disabilities). These people also deserve to have a hairstyle that they love and feel confident with
My stylist literally said out loud that she doesn’t like doing hair while she was doing it….i knew that she just meant my specific texture (4c)
I hope that was the las time you went to see her.
@@KlassicallyKeptMe too
Yes I’ll never forget the time I went to get box braids and the stylist complained the entire time thought I’d told her my hair length. She tore through my hair with a tiny comb and kept sighing when I asked her to use a larger comb. She charged me extra for “density and length”, though she still had to braid the same amount. She then burned the length of my braids with a lighter to “clean” them up. I had a time getting the melted braiding hair out of my head and decided that healthy hair is not everyone’s goal. I almost solely do my own hair now. I don’t want to be anyone’s burden and I would never go to a stylist that posts negatively about their clients.
I’ve had a similar experience where I went to a braider who complained about doing my hair the entire time. I regret not walking out with my $$$ bc a few weeks later, my braids started falling out’ & my hair started falling out with it! I also had horrible scalp inflammation. I think a lot of these “stylist” are purposely speaking bad energy over our hair so that it falls out.
You should have sued her. She burned your hair. And not to mention put more then just your hair at stake. What if....... OMG 😲
its the sighing for me ...ugggh
Yes I definitely lost a few braids from the scalp as well. It was a horrible experience, but it taught me a lesson
Good morning model nurse. Unfortunately your experience sounds very familiar and I am sure any can relate. Once the stylist would not listen to you there was an issue.
I am glad you mostly do your own hair now!
Little girl…break her hair up in 8 - 10 sections, apply warm water, slippery conditioner and spray diluted ACV and put her under the drier for 15 min to loosen any knots/tangles/gunk…use a tangle teaser or unbrush root to tip…she would have been detangled in 30 min including drier time…I’ve kept mini twists in 2 months and my hair looked way worse and my hair was longer.
The gentleman with build up….ACV and baking soda with water and conditioner for a few minutes…or bentonite clay for 10 min would have rinsed that dirt and gunk right out…follow with conditioner to detangle…then shampoo.
If these ladies can’t do hair they just need to say that. 😂
Edit: tip to root.***
❤THANK YOU. After being hospitalized & homebound for quite a while, I'm finally ready to get back out. I have bentonite clay, but wasn't sure if it could help with detangling or if I should wait & use it after detangling.
Lol I love that you had simple and easy solution for the clients lol. I never said natural hair will not take a long time, but it can be quite simple.
@@nilawarriorprincess I think it’s case by case...i know it stripes the hair of gunk so it may if there’s product build up? I don’t use it for detangling i use it to detox so hopefully someone who uses it more than i do can provide you some guidance. I’m not really sure.
@@nilawarriorprincessuse Aunt Jackie's Knot on My Watch. I swear by it
He could have done all that with the braids still IN his head. We think once we get a style done we cannot touch our hair but that is not the case. Wash cornrows, wash braid, dreadlocs etc just like you would your skin, hair is no different.
Not the stylist cutting the hair while being aggravated...geesh, dont cut my hair while you're angry
These hairstylists complaining about the pain they feel in their arms is like a nurse complaining about being physically and mentally tired after a double shift knowing pretty well it's part of the profession they sign up for.
I don't like the way they talk in their videos, they make it seem like they're doing their customers a favor just for being professional. They're not professional at all.
My hair is waist length and i've been avoiding going to hair salons in years now for these reasons. I have mastered with time how to care proper care of my hair with little assistance at times.
It is so wonderful when you can see the fruits of you labor. I love doing my own hair as well.
Once the first stylist saw that the young girls hair was matted, she made the decision to provide the service. Provide the service and move on and maybe even educate the mother on how to avoid this happening again.
I feel like nursing is a little different. A lot of them come into it young and money focused-- not realizing the toll it will take on them to the full extent. So I like that nurses are showing the non-glamorous side, to really expose the tradeoffs. We have a retired family friend that's a nurse and she had to have back surgery (in her 60's), she still cries every day in pain years later. I honestly feel for her. Although nurses are needed, that field might not be for everybody. Enter at your own risk.
As someone who has never had and never will have 4c hair, I could not imagine ANYONE sitting me in their chair and complaining about doing the hair that I'm paying big money to get done, and then posting that and acting like they did me a favor. This isn't normal at all and they need to start teaching more about how to do black hair in cosmetology school so that y'all have more options because what the actual fuck is thissss 😭😭😭
Pp0@@KlassicallyKept
As a cna, who has ran into nurses and coworkers complaining about what you said, I always get so confused and low key pissed. Bc to me, it’s bare minimum. Do not ever think you aren’t giving enough in jobs where you are dealing with, working with, or healing people. Over the years you can wean on that feeling and every situation has nuance, but from majority of stances, it’s best to come into any situation in those jobs seeing the benefits of customer/individual being helped as the BARE MINIMUM. PERIOD
Idk how many times I’ve had stylists huffing and puffing while doing my hair. You’re black, I’m black, you do black hair. I booked a service you provide yet I have to feel bad and put up with attitude and remarks the whole time I’m there…
STOP going to her😊
Wow, thats horrible I stopped going to hair salon years ago , I don't like people touching me and I'm very particular about my hair looking a certain way. Sorry you went through that, hope you stopped bringing her your business.
Frrr and as a pretty girl ive noticed i always have these experiences with darkskkin women only
@@Jennyxx-ie5jw as a PRETTY DARKSKIN girl, you should've worded your comment better instead of generalizing us.
@@ShopGurl96 well obvs when you're the pretty one in any community you will always be different. If we were all the sane then it wouldn't be the same type of girls that pick on me
She did and she is no longer my stylist. I now drive 2 hours and 30 minutes to go to an old school stylist.
Yeah. I got too many complaints about how thick my hair is and a lot of rough treatment that comes with people not knowing how to manage my hair so I learned to do it myself.
Hello Key!
And this is why I learned to do my own hair.
@@KeyLew thick hair is a GOOD thing. That means your hair is healthy & growing the way it should. A stylist who is put off by HEALTHY hair is a major 🚩
Same! Now I’ll save hundreds to a thousand dollars yearly just learning how to do it myself
I don’t secretly hate my clients because I thoroughly consult with them in person, before I take an appointment. This way I can see their hair condition, density, the length and any damage present. By doing this I can book my time appropriately and provide cost estimates for my guests so they can decide if I am in their budget for the service. I feel like a lot of the issues shown point to a lack of communication from the stylists to the clients. There should be no surprises because we’ve talked about all of this before making the appointment. I see the biggest issue being that many of these so-called stylists are not licensed and never went to cosmetology school to learn customer service skills and salon etiquette.
Hello and good morning, you make very great points.
Consolations are so important.
Communication is key.
Because you see the value in customer service I hope your business thrives!
These women are in a salon. Are they not licensed?
@@mscardioqueenthe lady in the video is a well known licensed stylist. Who helps alot of women with their hair care and education of their hair.
A lot of it stems from laziness or jealousy. They don't like the time it takes to properly care for thick hair. Especially the longer it is. Every time they see my hair growing, it's you should get dreads or cut it. The last Ethiopian girl that did my hair burnt it to a crisp. The white woman seemed more delighted to learn how to properly care for my hair.
@@mscardioqueenIt depends on your state. Some jurisdictions don't require you to be licensed if you're not applying a chemical.
I think some people thrive by posting controversial content just to find a reason to talk bad about someone. I do wish there was more education with love surrounding natural hair.
I agree... it's the thirst for views at the expense of their customers. Sad.
Afrikanhairgod is one stylist and educator who posts outstanding educational content about textured hair with great love and passion!
These heffas should be put out of business.
EX 3 - so comfortable showing that young ladies face, while blocking herself... SHE is worried that SHE is being taken advantage of and wants more money. You should pay HER. That young lady PAID cash money to be shamed on social media.
I was so confused. You dont want to show your face, but you want to show the clients face. My hair stylist takes pictures of my hair, not my face. We need to start saying no to stylist who record because we don't know what they are doing with the video
We have a right as paying clients to no have facial images posted on social media
I fired my hairstylist years ago. What I'm hearing is a lot of these stylist gaslighting clients. Many of them act like they are doing you a favor...although you are paying for the service. Let's be honest a lot of them don't really know what they are doing anyway. Yes, some may know how to give you a style, but that's it. Most of these stylists don't understand the science of natural hair. I refuse to pay these people ridiculous prices for their services. Not go do it. I'm making out very well doing my own hair.
I love doing my hair as well.
You made your stance very clear lol.
Yes i heard about that to.
Friends of my whent to go get their hair braiding and the hair stylist always act like they doing you a favor
And running their mouth reckles or pulling the hair hard for no reason pffff
Yes. Most Black 4C hair is low porosity = it does not hold water well so it's prone to dry out quickly causing breakage, damage. Our hair requires a lot of moisture and doesn't like too much heat or chemicals. We manipulate our hair too much.
Well said!!!! Especially about them not understanding the science of hair!
“Not gone do it”- 🤣😂🎉🎉💯
Honestly, this is why I do my hair at home. I invested in a good ghd straightener for silk presses and trims and my Husband will trim my hair.
I spend so much time being gentle and kind to my hair. I would be dropping hundreds of dollars at the stylist all for them to yank, tug, and rush to get me out of their chair.
It was mentally distressing going into an appointment, reading all the rules on the booking website, and then worrying about the outcome.
I’m happier now doing it by myself with my husband to help trim and I’ve saved so much money.
Good morning!
It sound like you have your hair care down lol.
I have returned to my high school stylist, just for trims. She is not going anywhere and she does not allow drama in her salon and she is honest
Oh my the rules alone are enough. If you don't want to do my hair then please don't take my appointment or my money.
I feel the same way. I do my own hair. I don’t trust these stylists. I last had my hair done in 2021 and before that it was 2015. My hair grew down my back. But I made sure it was completely detangled before my last appointments. I know my stylist has lots of clients. She is very prompt and I showed my appreciation by detangling to ensure she stays prompt. Now I’m in another state, if I head back home I might have her do my hair again. Until then, I’m doing my own!
Same sick of my hair being ripped out during salon blow dries! I took painkillers out before one stylist started and they asked why I told them because last time you didn't part my hair and it hurt so much. They flat denied it but were shamed into parting and taking care that visit.
I've given up the salon now. It would be nice to just sit back relax and be styled but it never happens with black salons so I can do a good enough job myself and make the time. 😭❤❤
Stay away from silk presses, it will damage natural hair. Our hair is not meant to be straight like that and some silk press products contain formaldehyde.
As a BUSY single mom balling on a BUDGET, I would NEVA take my 13 yr old daughter with FINE, high density, tightly coiled, 4C mid back length hair 👩🏽🦱➿to ANYBODY Professional Most desired or NOT that Doesn’t WANT to do my daughter’s hair. If the stylist is GRIPING and Complaining and UPCHARGING then they can just do their “so many OTHER services “ and make ALL the money they want. Like seriously why are these ppl even still doing the very hair that they hate. Ugg. I pray that girl and mother aren’t embarrassed and traumatized from all that hate and negative projection. It be your own ppl. 🙄🙄🙄
BLACK FOLKS HATE NATURAL HAIR BUT HATE WHEN OTHER RACES LOVE IT.
As a now 30-year-old adult who was once that little girl with the exact same hair as your daughter, I love how you're protecting her from harmful hair stylists. My mom took me to hair stylists who would use adult relaxer on my hair and then leave it on until it started burning because "that means it's working." Even with natural hair, I still run into hair stylists who treat my hair like it's a chore and just want to pull and tug it into submission. I now see a stylist who concentrates in hair health and developing a healthy mindset toward doing your own hair. She's encouraged me to try low-tension, low-maintenance styles that I once thought would be unflattering on me and I'm already seeing a positive change in how my hair is growing.
I'm currently in the process of finding a stylist to braid my hair. When I ask for PROFESSIONAL recommendations I've noticed that people don't know what professional means. I'm getting all kinds of off the wall recommendations and I think I may just keep braiding my own hair. I don't know why we have to tell people that I don't want to be in a strangers house or I don't want a complete stranger coming into my house where I keep all my valuables. I don't know why we have to deal with people who don't communicate properly, don't have any formal training, but also want to charge more than people with actual legitimate businesses. I don't know why it has to be said that you should ask permission before expecting to take photos/videos of your clients and that you should be ok with a "no" if they are not comfortable being free models for you or having their personal info talked about online or having them bashed online simply because you don't like your job. Why is this increasingly such a hostile endeavor just finding a decent person who likes their job and actually cares about the health of their client's hair? It truly ridiculous.
Good morning. I think you make very good points.
Back in 2014 when I had a terrible experience in a salon I decided the next day I was going to learn how to flat iron my own hair. It came out crazy lol the first time but I have gotten much better.
Even for the braiding, I am hearing horror stories about unprofessionalism, long hours, ridiculous rules, expensive pricing, and soap opera moments happening in the salon.
@@KlassicallyKept I would love to go to a professional more often but I’m recovering from damage done at another stylist’s salon. I’m regrowing out my natural hair (love your hair care videos) and don’t want to go to someone that braids too tightly or is generally very rough with my natural hair. I’ll keep looking and hoping for the best.
@@traetrae11good luck on your search girl. I'm on the lookout too. I've found even the folks who say their natural hair specialists are doing some very questionable things in my hair.
Imo, it’s one subtle symptom of the cultural decline/societal ills that plague the black community.
Cut it of plan & simple
Clients should be required to sign a consent form allowing their image and likeness to be uploaded on their stylist page. This is so unprofessional !
An observation as a woman who has always had long thick hair and now in my 30s (decades of salon customer experience)…and someone who sometimes uses social media.
I HAVE NEVER IN MY LIFE SEEN A STYLIST WITH HAIR DOWN HER BACK TREAT CLIENTS LIKE THESE EXAMPLES IN THIS VIDEO.
Granted we can’t see all of the stylists faces and hair…but i said what i said. Come to whatever hypothesis you wanna come to based on my observation.
Never thought of that 🤔
mmmmm.......this is a great observation.
This is true, stylists who have hair like mine don’t complain
This is factual. My mom always said, “if the person doing your hair ain’t got no hair or it’s unhealthy all around- don’t let them do yours!” 😂 My stylist as a child had very healthy long hair. She had the best, most gentle hands. I wish I could go to her now as an adult.
As a hairstylist with long natural hair.... I agree!
Most stylists do NOT like to see thick long 4c hair coming. I have had some rough experiences. The only one I would trust is SAMANTHA at NEW GROWTH NATURALS in the Cayman Islands. She is amazing with long thick 4c hair, and it's fun to watch her clients' growth journeys. Her channel is great!
OOOOO I need to check her channel out.
The Caymans! That would be a wonderful girls trip lol.
Agree! Her channel is EXCELLENT. She takes her time throughout the process, educates her clients, is passionate about healthy haircare & has grown her own luscious 4c hair😊👍🏾
@@KlassicallyKept yes! The fun part is watching her clients' hair grow as they come back month after month. I soooo want to go get my hair done by her!
Iyo why not? Is it jealousy? Envy? Do they find it "hard to manage"?
thanks for this info!
This is why I loc’d and I do my own hair.
I ain’t got time for negative energy and verbal foolishness!
And don’t be recording me unless I give my permission, please, thank you, and you’re welcome ma’am/sir!!!!
And from your picture, your dreads are beautiful !
@@KlassicallyKept
Thank you, Queen! I love your hair and how you educate our young queens on keeping it classy!
Each one, teach one, so that we all can reach at least one!
May God bless and keep you! 💐💐💐🫂💞💞💞👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
my exact reason ! the day the african ladies called my hair ugly in french (which i could understand, and their hair wasn’t any better) was the day i decided enough was enough .
2:05 She’s not even cutting the hair properly. No one forced her to detangle the hair. She could’ve requested the twists be taken down before the service so to complain and post it on SM wasn’t necessary. It took me 2 days to take down my micro twists (200 plus) last month, so I know the struggle. The stylist braided the roots which will start to lock if I leave them in for more than two months. I usually leave them in 2-3 months. But I think she does it on purpose to get me to take them down and come back sooner. Which is why after her doing this and my asking her not to for 2 installs, I won’t be going back. Stylists shouldn’t be stylists if they are not up to the tasks.
The girl hair didn't even look matted. It looks extremely thick and long. I have the same texture hair and it takes some time to detangle whether I keep a hairstyle for 1 week or 2 months. These hair stylist now are lazy then want to tape people for likes. It's so disrespectful. This is why I do my own hair.
The last time I went for a wash, blow dry and trim…she literally detangled my hair with a rat tail comb. Like an idiot, I sat there and let her do it, thinking, she’s the professional and she knows what she is doing. I was soooo anxious the entire time. The end result was ok, but I have no idea how much hair I lost. I will do my OWN shampoo, wash and detangle from now on. My hair is super FINE and tangles too easily for a rush job.Love your videos 😘
Hey Neicy and thank you!
Yes! In 2014 I experience this as well. I had a stylist take a rattail comb and attempt to detangle my hair after it had been in mini twists for weeks. I did not speak up even though I could hear my hair snapping ( she was the professional). That night I made it my mission to really learn my natural hair.
I am so glad that you are doing your own hair.
This happened to me once. I stopped going to that salon.
This is their play book
This shows you that it isnt enough to just be a good stylist. You need to have good manners and customer care skills. People are not just coming for a hairstyle. They are coming for the experience, which IS YOU because you are who they are going to experience. The lack of respect for others and their intimate lives saddens me. Nobody raises their hand to say, "Hey, embarrass me, harass me, talk bad about me on social media or anywhere else as a matter of fact. I want to be clowned." No one says that. Shame on the stylists who are in the hair business, but then complain, gripe, and talk about their clients for not being their "ideal" or perfect hair client. You dont get to complain and disrespect the clients when they aren't what you imagined when YOU chose this profession, and its not a perfect one. You will have many wild cards in the hair business, but that is to be expected if you are really there to help and SERVE ALL clients who come to you. Be grateful and be quiet. Since this is something people like to do, i would ask if the stylist has a social media page and just watch their content for weeks or months just to see if they are worthy of touching my head. Bring back good customer care and stylists who are there for you, not just the money. This is not a money business, but an experience for those who come to you. How do you want others to experience you?
Wonderfully said.
I think the experience part is very important and is being missed.
When I go to a salon I go to be pampered not
There's no safe space for black women's hair. It be your own people that complain about how difficult our hair is WHILE knowing very well that our hair just requires time, and patience. It's sad.
When its your passion vs your only means of survival you will approach clients differently. I'm looking at the comments and alot of ppl like myself have decided to do our own hair at home and not have these negative stylist with negative energy putting stress and damage on our crown. I'm a man and I don't even go to the barbershop anymore. These ppl are not happy and joyful to service our hair and its our own people smh. No one has touched my hair since 2020, my hair is growing down my back and I give myself blowouts in the cooler months and dust and trim my ends as needed. No coloring or using excessive heat regularly.No tight braids exposing my scalp and I stick with twist mostly. Blue magic, jamaican black castor oil. Keep it simple folks.
Hello sir!
Thank you for sharing this!
I love that you are taking care of your own hair.
Your first sentence is gold !
Absolutely
I don’t understand it because damned if you got long healthy hair but also damned if you got scoop of hair.
I found beautician who loves doing hair, they can keep social media stylist it’s all aesthetic
I would have thought they would have loved the girlies with the super long hair. So many options and possibilities.
@@neffyg35 exactly because a lot use certain textures and lengths as advertisement that they have “growing hands”
What they mean is u have to have that good hair bs. If it's kinky it all crap short long thick thin healthy
@@jborrego2406 Right here!👆🏾
This happened to me and the stylist had the nerve to mock me for bringing my own shampoo and conditioner. She still did a horrible job and I was left with severe heat damage.
I ask to bring my own shampoo and conditioner too.
That is unfortunate.
I can understand why you would want to bring your own products.
I have always wanted to bring my own shampoo because the one I have has a nice tangle that I love 😊
Interesting, in my experience the whole point of going to the salon is getting expensive, quality products as part of the service. I'm not a beautician but I would be reluctant to use products that I was not familiar with simply because the outcome might not be predictable and I don't know how well those products work with the other products I have.
She shouldn't have mocked you that's just plain rude, but we definitely would have needed to discuss the products and what your goals were before I did your hair.
@AyeliaGDoren I literally see some professional stylists using cheap stuff you can get at Sally's or Asian beauty supply such as Lusters Pink, ORS, and Cantu. Smh
I am a natural hair stylist and I love what I do! And I love my clients and caring for their hair🤗 I would never talk about a client like this. It's just not my style... I would give her a regime to follow to never have to deal with issues like this again.
We need more stylists like you, who generally enjoy what they do, where it's not a means to an end, especially for natural hair.
That's exactly what I need. I have Sickle Cell Anemia & spend a lot of time in bed. So I have to deal with matting at least once a year.
Exactly! You would educate !
I think that's a best method. If you want their hair to be a certain way, give them in between session techniques that they can do to keep it manageable until the next appointment. I'm willing to follow the professional's advice if it's simple. I need simple because the way my adhd is set up if it's beyond 3 steps, my brain can't even get started 😂
I like that your look is servin aunt Vivian from fresh prince. Nice and regal😊
I get this reference all the time!
Love it, lol, thank you!
Ok the fact that she said she usually only braids for an hour is INSANE!!!…people have different lengths of hair as well as hair texture and what about if someone is tender headed and you have to be more gentle…these stylists are airing people out and really all of this is a part of what a cosmetologist will experience with their clients!…I could go on,but why?!
I know nothing abut weave, but again as I stated, caring for natural hair is going to take longer, we know this. I am not sure why the stylist only expects to braid everyone's hair for only an hour.
5:20 ASKING YOUR INSTA FOLLOWERS IF YOU SHOULD CHARGE A CLIENT MORE AS YOU GO IS INSANE!!!😱
Not to mention borderline illegal, I assume??? Most salons display their price in a list ( they have to by law, as far as I know), so once a client enters, they expect to pay the fixed price. A stylist can't simply make the final cost as they go- that's bananas!
Not to mention that showcasing the face of a client - especially a young lady - is so disrespectful.
Putting out content of your day job in social media is getting ridiculous, one of these days we're going to need laws for this nonsense 😭
This was the first time I have ever head of a stylist requiring 100% upfront.
Having you hair on social media without your permission is wrong
yesss like your followers aren't responsible for your business, you are! what the hell do they know. Plus, what if the client was following her social media and saw that with her own eyes? 😩😩
havent been to the salon since 2009 and don't miss it for a second...learn to do your own hair...
It’s your job to do hair, no?… 👀😂😂 I’m so glad you posted this. The disparaging natural hair comments have become too normalized online and in person. I don’t think stylists realize the harm they do to the community and their reputations when they behave like this. Also, if those clients hair was an issue then why are those stylists going on to film and monetize them? I know they’re not discounting the services rendered. This, among other things, are why people have leaned into YT university. They’ll figure it out eventually.
I think you make some great points. If they had the clients permission I don't think filming is an issue, however; I know the clients did not appreciate the commentary. Use the experience as teachable moment for your audience and the customer.
When I went natural RUclips University is the first place I went lol.
The challenge is that the algorithms reward negativity. Negative videos get much more engagement vs. positive videos. It's why you see all these "race to the bottom" comments now. People repost it, stitch it, and otherwise engage to say why it isn't true or why they are different etc. the best thing to do to any negative videos is ignore it. DO NOT leave a comment, don't even finish watching it. Ignore it. Also always comment ;) on videos you want to see more of and share those
This is a unique perspective!
This is true as well, people like drama.
Yep. Back in the day ‘don’t feed the troll’ was the rule. People still weren’t perfect at following it, but it got soooo much worse after social media algorithms started aggressively demanding toxicity and rage bait so they can drive eyes on ads. And SUPPRESSING stuff that isn’t toxic, even if you’re specifically following people.
8:32 How dare she mock her hardworking client who came to her for a service. That is so disgusting of her to do.
You don't need bad energy in your hair. Go somewhere you and your hair/hair type is valued. Hair is a crown, especially for us women and girls, no matter the color/ethnicity. These women are so unprofessional. Good energy only.
I used to get my hair heat straightened at a salon. I did this from my teens to early 30s. My hair got so damaged. I've been doing my own hair since 2020. But I have found a stylist who gives me silk presses from time to time. Her Google reviews are 5 stars. She is professional and does a great job.
I am so glad you were able to find a stylist who can do your hair, but I am also glad you learned how to do your own hair.
Going to the salon used to be therapeutic now it’s stressful from booking all the way to the completion of the service
Most hairstylists hate doing natural hair. They want to put chemical straighteners in your hair or good-bye. They don’t even want to give you a silk press, braids or any type of natural style.
So what do they want to do? Lol
@@neffyg35 perm or chemical straighteners…then they can easily style.
@@sammy4634well that makes sense if it’s easier for them that they’d want to do that instead. I have back length natural hair and I’m proud of it but it is a pain to do.
This is the main reason I won’t go to any stylists. I’ve never had a relaxer and would be devastated if someone did that to me.
@@maddmira9888yes but just tell the client that. Also don't say you're a natural hair stylist when you don't know how to take care of natural hair
This is why I'm scared to go to a stylist.
I have Sickle Cell Anemia & after a VERY long hospital visit, plus being stuck in bed for months afterwards, my hair is in an awful state. Thankfully, I finally figured out how to prevent it from matting so that it won't happen again; but I don't know what to do in the meantime.
This is my fear as a warrior. How to take care of my hair when I am in a very long crisis. When I feel one on coming, I put in a protective style, but those sudden crises are horrible. My hair has been left in a horrible state. It’s embarrassing, another blow to my self esteem. I hate it
If/when I have children I would probably not allow their hairstylist to post videos or photos of my kids with their faces clearly showing tbh. And honestly it baffles me that there are people complaining about their clients online. Your business' social media is not your personal diary. I remember being a little kid and assuming that grown ups know better than me and have their lives together...now I'm in my 20s and realizing that some people never grew up!
I do my own hair since going natural. When I get my 4c thick hair braided I always wash, deep condition. moisturize and stretch my own hair for the stylist to braid ONLY. The way my hair shrinks after a wash oh no! I don’t want anyone pulling on my hair so, I’d rather do all the prep work myself. I’ve been using the same braider for years and never an issue. I wish more stylist would use their complaints as teachable moments.
Hello Shay!
I love that you do the prep wok yourself! This doesn't leave any room for error. For my wedding I washed and blow dried my hair and the stylist only styled my hair and did a touch-up.
I agree, all of these video could have been teachable moments.
Honestly, I used to go to a hairstyle that complained the whole time when I went natural in 1999, and I'd only go every 6 weeks after taking out my braids after transitioning from relaxed to natural. After the third time, I just stopped going all together, and to this day, he's no longer doing hair. He stopped doing hair 2006 and opened a restaurant. In my opinion, I believe at some point the joy of a career is no longer a joy but means to pay the bills.
I think you made a great point and observation.
As a client I do not want to feel like I am bothering you or that you are not going to take the time to properly care for my hair because it is a means to end. Loosing your passion for something is find but the person needs to pivot and/or take a break and then possibly come back.
I just had this convo with my hair stylist. I mentioned that I don’t like when stylist harp on how thick my hair is. I get it can be a compliment, but when said repeatedly, it sounds like complaining. And that’s a sign for me to find someone else. My current hairstylist always says that stylist forget that they are in the business of customer service.
This is why I do my own hair. That crochet retwist is no joke, but when I start to get tired or annoyed I stop. Not putting that negativity into my crown, plssss 😭
This reminds of an experience I had with my old stylist back when I used to get relaxers. A mother brought her natural hair daughter into the shop and my stylist complained LOUDLY about how tangled the hair was, and how much time it took her, and just made that poor girl feel terrible. She even told the mom to either put a relaxer in her hair or literally don't come back.
That was a defining moment that stuck with me over 15 years later. I couldn't believe how much my stylist hated natural hair.
The hairstylist actions were unaccusable. She doesn't know how her actions could have affected that child and embarrassed the mother.
Yessss!! My old hairstylist “complained” about her past client because she had too much hair and it took forever . I was like huh?
Then the stylist should have charged $$ appropriate and not complained. Hair stylist pay to go to schools and licensed. They need to be paid for time and experience. Don’t tip your waiter and pay more for a restaurant meal more than a stylist that preforms magic and experience on your hair. That use to piss me off when a waiter would make more tip than I did as licensed professional
This is why I learnt how to do my own hair, yes it takes longer but it’s better than ending up in these situations (not victim blaming btw) I love my hair and don’t want hateful/bad intention hands touching them
MAAAANNNNN this is an OUTSTANDING VIDEO~ Props to you Sis. This happens so often in the black community and it's a disgrace to our culture. My daughters have experienced this situation in the past, and now they take care of their own hair and have permanently shied away from hair stylists in general. Thank you for this overdue video on this topic!
In addition, I haven't seen nor heard of any other nation of people posting negative videos regarding their client's hair chronicles. Black folk please show more professionalism and kindness to your clients.
Good morning and thank you.
I love doing my hair at home as well, I find it very therapeutic.
I had a set back in 2014 and I vowed to learn how to straighten my hair. The first year I did it I looked crazy lol, but it has gotten better ( I straightened my hair once a year.)
I am glad that your daughters are taking care of their hair.
Random but your giving me Whitney Houston in the video😍😍🙌🏽 straight up beautiful sis
The Voice herself lol. I'll take it!
Girl! I have been on the search for a decent natural hairstylist for the past 🤔 . . . . . .decade! This subject is very close to my heart.
I've had the stylists who have fried my hair, the stylist who have openly said disparaging things about my hair, the stylists who quote one price and then increase it when it comes time to pay. The stylist who cut off all progress I've made with their 'trims', the stylist who gave me headache braiding so tight then she refused to redo them and tried tell me its better for it to be tight so it can last longer 🙄. I've had the stylist who told me my appointment for microbraids was 2pm and when I arrived I was third in the cue with other women getting microbraids by this one women 😂 I've been to the natural specialist who don't do nothing different than the other stylist but charge more. I've been to the pretty salon where they give you cake and tea, charge the world and still rip your hair out. I've had the stylists who have refused to wash my hair. Man, I've had so many rubbish experiences with hair stylists.
I've come home crying, its made me a little depressed because I just don't want to deal with the negativity. I've doubted myself - are my standards too high? I've reduced my standards a bit (e.g. im no longer disregarding you if you blowdry my hair), but I wont reduce any further (we aint detangling with a rat comb!).
I do the majority of my hair now, but I am not great at styling. I'm slowly improving.
I would like to treat myself to visiting a hairdresser from time to time. After a two year hiatus from stylists, I started my search again this year. Ive had a few bad experiences of course, but some positive too. I found a lady I really want to try out but shes currently on maternity leave ❤ shes expensive and if shes good I wont be able to go often, but I'm excited at the possibility. I'll check her out on her return. Last month I found a lady who actually complimented me on my hair and said thank you for trusting me with your hair, I'll look after it 😮 I was gobsmacked! She did a beautiful style. She lost points on slathering my scalp in gel (which seems to be the new thing these days) and I waited 30mins to be seen, but all in all not a bad experience - I will check her again and see what we can do about the use of gel 😊 wish me luck.
Thank you ladies for reading x
Good morning, thank you for sharing this.
You have had many bad experiences and I wish stylist would actually take time to listen. I hope the stylist you found will listen to you about the gel and the stylist on maternity, I hope she does a good job as well.
But you have pointed out what some many others in the comments have. The come washed and blow dried trend is mind boggling to me , but many people have stated that they say this because they are not actually licensed which is a problem within it self.
I am also glad that you are able to do your own now!
Lady, you are truly a beautiful, smart, articulate, class act! Thank you for having this platform.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for expressing this. As African American people our hair is still part of the "indentity" conversation. Embracing my natural hair was part of my journey of learning to love and accept my own ethnicity. I am not casting shade on my sisters who choose to relax or press or treat their hair. But I had to take the "I'm not white" journey for my own self acceptance. If my hairdresser, another Black woman treated me as if my Blackness was too much trouble, it would hurt a great deal.
As you mention, all any professional ever has to say is, "I'm sorry, but these are my boundaries for my work." And then they can negotiate a price with you or let you find someone else.
This is one of the reasons I stay with my stylist for the past four years she doesn’t post, always timely, and professional. ❤
RUclips really is up in my business.🤣 Experienced this exact issue over the weekend. Went to a salon that advertised that they do natural hair and the black stylist behaved like it was a burden to do a basic blow dry with 2 crown braids.
For the record, my hair was neither matted or tangled. I wash, deep condition, and stretch/blow dry my hair regularly. I also cut my ends at least once every 6-8 weeks to get rid of splits (I've found that smoother ends make styling my own hair easier).
The two main reasons I showed up at this salon was 1) to get a metal detox and 2) this stylist had solicited me previously, asking me to 'please support your black sister'. Well, what a bad decision that was.
The first offence was her double booking me with another client. But I kept it chill, I reasoned she was trying to hustle and make some money over the long weekend. The second offence, came when she blow dried my hair - like she was dealing with a hog . She didn't section the hair like anyone with common sense would, instead just raked a comb through for the blow dry. 3) Third, she attempted to use a hot comb on my hair while it was still damp. When I told her no, to dry it properly first to prevent heat damage, she caught an attitude. 4) She put in 2 braids in my hair with Kanekalon and skipped applying hot water to seal the ends. When I asked about it, she made some nonsensical excuse about the water in the kettle being too low (what?) and just sprayed Got2B on it.
Listen, I wanted so badly leave that salon! Wanted to dip right in the middle of that satanic blow dry. Unfortunately for me, the salon is located in a crowded shopping center and I didn't bring a hat/bandana/hair wrap with me. I didn't want to humiliate myself walking through the center with my hair in disarray and all and sundry races looking at me.
Boy what a hard lesson but it was well-learnt. Always have a bug-out plan: bring some sort of hair covering with you in case you need to dip. If the vibes aren't right and they are unprofessional, pay your tab and leave.
Good morning, thank you for sharing this.
As you stated there were many issues with your salon experience.
Back in 2014 I would not have stood up for myself, but today is a different story. I think for me once she tried to dry my wet hair with the hot comb and caught an attitude that would have been it, but I understand where you are coming from.
I wouldn't have cared what people thought if I needed to walk out. I'd let it be a warning to others not to go there. I have and will continue to leave spaces where I'm not being treated with respect or kindness. My time and money are important too.
That third girl was so beautiful, her hair come out amazing
❤❤❤ agreed
I know how my hair can get, so I have decided to do it myself most of the time. I have a stylist who I have had since I was relaxed. She does deal with natural hair and always has, but I find that in my natural hair situation, I should do my hair myself most of the time because my hair is a lot and can take a very long time to detangle and style. The last time I went, she blew off like wow, this is taking a while. From the reaction, I decided to ease off on my visits and do my hair most of the time. I agree. The attitude indicates the quality of the service, so I decided to ease off to avoid the situation and potential hair damage due to mechanical damage from rough combing, etc, because I have experienced this before.
Good morning TMT.
I am glad that you recognized that your stylist was not up to the task and started doing your own hair.
Her reaction is unfortunate as I am sure it made you feel uneasy.
This is why folks gotta continue to learn to do your own hair. Thank God for RUclips!
Thank you for this video. These stylist remember one thing, if we don't sit in your chair...you don't eat. period!
Did these Stylists consult with their clients before doing their hair? Or did they just want to give negative comments on social media for views!
My hair stylist most definitely hates doing my hair. My hair stylist is me 😊😂😂😂
This!!! I can’t with some of these stylists 🙂↔️🙂↔️🙂↔️. I’m very fortunate that I was able to find a stylist with great prices and fantastic service. I think it’s ridiculous that they want to complain but charge the clients unadulterated prices 😒. If you’re frustrated doing hair even after you charge people exorbitant prices then you shouldn’t be doing hair.
I am so glad that you have been able to find a hairstylist who takes the time to care for your hair !
Thank you for discussing this topic. These stylists are acting like they aren’t getting paid for their services. In my 50 plus years, I’ve had my share of stylists saying something demeaning about my hair or rolling their eyes when I discussed how I wanted my hair styled, or something. They just seemed miserable overall. And this was when I was relaxed! I’ve been natural for over 20 years. I’ve probably gone to a stylist about 50 times out of all of the years that I’ve been natural. Most of these times included a lot of visits to a woman barber who I stopped going too once she started getting funny when I requested a certain cut. Thankfully, I have trained myself to bleach and “barber” my own hair. I can save money and keep my peace. I haven’t learned how to fade it, but what I can do gets compliments. It’s crazy that these negative comments are coming from stylists who have hair textures similar to their clients! Stylists: please get an attitude adjustment! We are not requesting free services!
Hello Luv, I love that you have learned how to take of and style your own hair. I love doing my hair as well, plus I get to do it in the comforts of my own home with snacks!
I don't want any hair stylist's hand's NOR unstable spirit in the hair on my head spilling those negative vibes into my Precious Roots and hair stunting it's growth and my Positive Spirit. Just because one has the gift of hair care & "designing" does not mean they Care for The Client in their chair regardless of the walk-in hair condition. Make it a loving TLC teachable moment so the man, woman, boy, or girl leaves your chair looking, feeling more Superb than when they entered. Get your mindset Professionally Correct AND PUT YOUR PHONE AWAY.
I'ma just continue Doing my own hair. Thank you for your Enlightening, very much needed Commentary, young Lady. peaceloveblessingsnowalways 🌱 to All
Hello Mya I agree she didn’t have to talk about the young lady‘s hair like that.The second young lady she should have discussed payment before the service. They need to talk more with their clients instead of making fun of them. That’s why I do my own hair.💜🌸
Communication is key.
I am so glad that you are doing and tending to your own hair.
My hair is the thickest and healthiest when I do it myself
I love doing my own hair
No clue why you popped up on my algorithm, but you are very well spoken and easy to listen to. Enjoyed learning something new
lol thank you! Happy Sunday
This reaffirms my decision to not go to a stylist. I just have had very unprofessional experiences that made me feel so small and I'm all set.
That is unfortunate, it should not be like this.
But I am glad that you have decided to take care of your own hair.
Great topic to discuss! Yes. I learned how to care for my own hair for reasons that others have already stated. It is an honor for anyone to put their hands in my hair. Also if this is your profession stop complaining. People go to you for help. SM gets exhausting. Please stop trying to embarrass people online for likes and views. I used to sit there silent and have my feelings hurt back in the day when beauticians would complain to me about my thick and long hair. This was back when I had a relaxer waist length hair. Now my hair is even longer chemical free. I’ve done my hair myself ever since I transitioned. I go to my cousin for trims. Just my personal experience.
All the points you made in this video were spot on! ❤
Good morning and thank you.
It is unfortunate that when you were young stylist were not kind to you, but I am glad that you are tending to your own hair now. I have returned to my high school stylist for trims only. I care for the rest at home.
I use to have long healthy natural hair when I was teenage. My hairdresser use to hate doing my hair >>> her bad energy and bad habit broke my loooong hair. 😢😢 Since then, I chose very well who touch my hair. Most of the time, I do my hair alone.
Good morning. I am sorry you experienced that but I am glad you are on the road to recovery!
Just like you I am very selective about who does my hair.
At the moment I have chosen to go back to my stylist from high school for trims only. I take care of the rest at home.
It is amazing to see this natural hair revolution. I love wigs, too, I love having the ability to look drastically different to suit any occasion. But the natural hair movement is about way more than hair and I think y'all know that. I'm so happy and proud of all of you young women. You are going to be running the world. I promise you. And you are more than prepared. This channel is amazing! ❤❤
People want easy with no work and take your money. They're n the wrong business. Hair is a serious master.
How sad it is to see these feelings be risen! I love styling natural hair & your hair is gorgeous to all you beauties out there 🤍
12:03 Shout this from the mountaintop. This PSA is needed about boundaries and respecting others’ private business. One person’s decision to get things off their chest on social media by shaming others may have a domino effect on many people’s lives.
Stylist like those are the primary reason why I learned to do my own hair. As someone with thick long 4C hair I refuse to be mishandled because of it.
Happy this video shows how I feel when it comes to certain hairstylist which is too common. Last time I walked in the salon was to get an estimate. Two different places said "your hair is super thick" not just once but they keep reminding me my hair is thick in a neutral tone. I didn't bother booking with either places due to my period in High School and Middle School, it was the same thing..except my mom paid for it and boy...it was just complaining about my thick hair.
I'm glad as an adult I can do my hair but some days I want to relax and pay for their services. One day..I'll find that gem. However, sad it's not a priority to desperately search for one due to bad experiences.
Hello. I think you have voiced what a lot of women go through and how they feel. I am sure most women can attest to this, but head massages at the wash bowl are heaven lol. That was my favorite part and don't let the products have that cooling sensation!
I love doing my hair as well, but sometimes it would be nice to be pampered and not have to worry about whether or not my stylist is actually taking the time to care for my hair. I would even pay extra, but it needs to be done properly. Treat my hair like silk lol.
Finding a natural hair salon was the best thing ever! I love my stylist she has 4c too and had to grow out her hair. They are out there, I pay more when I go but my hair is thriving 🎉
Hi Mya! Great video and very informative. I think a lot of stylist start VERY young and some even get their cosmetology license in high school. So many are burned out, probably lost their passion for hair and feel stuck. That said - just like with any other career you need to know when/how to pivot into something else. Just my two cents. Stay blessed!🥰
Good morning!
I think you make a great point as well.
Many people in the community have pointed out many stylist have not gone to cosmetology school and may lack the knowledge about professionalism.
There are issues and pain-points with all careers, you just have to decide if you are going to be able to deal with them. And then if not, as yousad, pivot.
This randomly appeared in my recommendations. And just wanted to tell you you're like a Disney princess, you're so pretty!
lol thank you
It is insane for her to say she was not paid enough. She made almost 3x the daily wage, which was 1.5x my car payments- in 1 day. if she charges every client similar she would make around 150,000 yearly - that's 11 perfect of “top earning” women
Remember that stylists charge multiple pay scales on top of the multiple service fees.
-flat rate
-hourly
-labor
-the included a tip in the service fee
- a $20 in cash tip
-length (anything pass chin😂)
- thickness- (which is practically non-biracial woman fee)
So them debating to still charge after payment makes my blood boil. It should be mandated Sylist need to pass a professionalism course every six months to keep their license😒
I stopped relaxing my hair in 2008, which is also when I gave up biweekly hair salon visits. People need to understand that when you pay someone for a service, it’s a transaction. The person providing the service isn’t doing you a favor; they are being paid. With that in mind, issues like pricing and pain management are personal matters that should be handled on the stylist’s own time. Getting paid to perform a service, then posting offensive content about the clients afterward, is absurd.
People seem to take pride in their unprofessionalism, all for a few clicks and likes. The morale is just in the gutter across so many industries right now.
It’s really good to find a natural hair salon someone who knows and doesn’t mind handling big hair
The stylist wanted the money but not the labor intensity.
Such a great video! Thank you for keeping it real and holding the unprofessional stylists accountable. They really need to stop doing this mess... smh!
Thank you and hey lol!
I hope you are well.
@@KlassicallyKept Haaayyy! 💕 I'm well and I'm glad to see you're doing well too! 😍🙌🏾
All I can say is that these stylists make me thank God for my stylist.
If she moves you move with her , tell her to book yall's flight. lol.
I'm joking but it is great that you have found a stylist that you love!