Thanks so much for testing .8mm with 11mm steel . I'll be making up some 25-15mm tomorrow . Be interesting to see how durable they are compared to 25-20mm . Looking forward to seeing the different tapers with the 11mm . Thanks again .
Thank you as always Mark, I am short draw and mainly shoot 8mm steel and sometimes 3/8 steel. So for 8mm I should use .5 band thickness. What about the .6 and .7 what is mainly recommended for them bands.
Good to see you testing some thicker bands! Personally I love how much harder the bigger ammo hits! It would be interesting to know just how much taper effects band life, because even with 25 to 20 i still seem to be replacing them regularly! Cheers mark
Here is the thing.... overpowered bands will wear out faster because it is like dry firing them. This damages the bands. Extreme tapers will wear out quickly. There is a sweet spot for bands that will give you good speed and longevity. It all about matching your bands to ammo.
I had extra bands that were 50mm wide at top to 20mm bottom...I folded em over... a single band...OTT frame...shot way farther and harder than 3 bands...
Brother, thanks for taking time to do this! Love them templates! I don’t always wear safety glasses when I shoot but I always wear a cup. You can never be too safe! 😂 Great video as always brother!👊💥🙏
Great shooting Mark 👏 25/20 .7 bands with 9.5 steel is what i mostly shoot but very interested to see what taper i could go down to whilst still being able to use for hunting but also give the liter draw to stop hand shake
I use 9.5 steel and I'm mostly using 1mm precise with a 14/8 taper so very thick latex but not wide at all. It shoots very fast with no shaking problems, it's killing everything I shoot it at with headshots and the bandsets are lasting a long time. Don't think I'll go back to thin bands tbh.
Tapers really make a big difference. Since I have been exploring band tapers I have really found matching band tapers and thickness to the proper ammo makes all the difference. There is a sweet spot you need to find that will give you a comfortable draw with good speed and itnwill improve overall performance and accuracy.
Hi , I use bsb .75 cut 20-15mm with 9.5mm steel as a light set up . For pigeon and squirrels it's good out to 15m . I.ve got snipersling .7 cut 23-17mm that's light and fast with 9.5 steel . Again head shots only out to 15m . Don't know if that helps , good luck with your hunting .
very educative video, i would like to see if you can compare different taper and thickness but with the same rubber weight. From my last "taper adventure" i found that my 24-16 0.5mm thickness have the same result as 15-10 0.7mm thickness band, both have the same rubber weight, tested with 8mm (i am more to target shooter than hunting soo 8mm are my largest ammo). im very curious how this "rubber weight" applied to other heavy band. (pardon for my english)
The most devastating hunting setup I have found for short draw is 25-15 .7 snipersling with 7/16 steel. Its not over heavy but it puts a smack down on just about anything.
Ya 25-15 is the best all rounder for heavy bands in my opinion. I don't know why 25-20 is so popular. Heavy draw, slower speeds....maybe its a longevity thing 🤔
I think it's because of the heavy draw and no chronograph people think its faster. Like people used to put bigger springs in airguns thinking harder to cock and more recoil = more power
oh its definitely longevity. I mean really a set of 25-20s will almost get double the shots of a 25-15. so you sacrifice all those shots for maybe 15fps really.
Oh ya thats true but I want to check the speed. In my opinion for a hunting band speed and velocity should be the primary concern. The faster you can get a large projectile going the cleaner the kill will be. For target shooting I would not choose a band this size.
For what it is, classy testing. Gamekeeper hunts with 30 x 25. Muscle man. 25x12 will push 8mm well. Not 9.5 or 11mm. Different story with 25x17 or 25x18. Mark, you are becoming like live ENCYCLOPEDIA. Every video is enjoyable. ENZO is a good frame, but I can hold it only in a hammer grip, a little strange to me. Keep them coming, those really educational videos. Looks like Canadian Spring finally arrived.
I found the same results when I switched to my 25 x 13 sharpen taper band sets. No real speed difference or longevity of the bands but the nice thing was if I had a small tear near the end I could cut it off even again and have the exact same taper as the longer bands. Other than that they seem the same to me.
Glad to hear the test pull accident got you in the face instead of the eye! The silly little stuff is what gets you when things go sideways. Even just for a moment! Don't ask me how I know! Nice shooting. Interesting test.
Im more accurate with theraband for some reason, seems to have a less harsh draw and release to it. Currently shoot 30-20 but would love to see the theraband at 30-15 to see if there’s any difference in speed. Love the channel 👍
Hey my friend I just bought Omega white bands in .5 and .6 and .7, can you please tell me the diferance in the 3 band sets. Which one is more powerful and what do differant thicknesses do in shooting. Thank you il wait for your responce buddy.
Well you would want to match your bands to your ammo. If you shoot 8mm steel .5 is a great band for that short draw. .6 is a good band for 8mm and can be used for 9.5 mm steel depending on the taper short draw. .7 will bring the heat for 9.5mm steel but is too overpowered for 8mm steel. You could really trim the tapers to shoot 8mm steel but you are better off using the right bands like .5 for 8mm. Basically thicker elastic for bigger ammo. If you shoot long draw or Butterfly .5 will work for 8mm and 9.5mm steel
Ya I did but I've worked in the steel industry for 22 years and I only started wearing gloves in the last 6 or so. Hand slap is like foreplay now. I'm used to it. Doesn't really bother me at all unless I hit a fingernail
I wish that you test that regular tapers draw weight including sharpened tapers draw weight. That would be good to know and identify to match with the exact ammo size..
Enjoyed watching your video. At the moment l am using Theraband just because l want to improve my accuracy as l just got started a few months ago. I am using 25 20 taper because they last longer. I am looking forward to your video on Theraband bands.
You can become consistant and accurate with theraband but they are a very low performance band compared to whats out there these days. You may find that if you decide to change bands your accuracy will be off or shooting high. That is because the bands are shooting way faster. I would suggest switching to one of the many popular bands to start off with. You will have better performance.
Ya I much prefer 25-15. Its my go to for heavier bands. Better draw, better speed and better accuracy. Hey did you see all the 👎I have a good collection going on this video 😆
@@ATOMarkThumb down guy have some friends... I was worried, if something has happened to this poor soul, who tortures himself by watching our videos, but looks like everything is fine, because my latest toothpick video has one thumb down too 👏 Thumb down is a sign, that You have been noticed and You make great great videos 👍🤘😎
Very interesting cheers..Am i using too much Elastic when I use .8 Bands cut at 35 to 25 mm 10 mm taper along the length ..Flings 9.5 steel Fast but im forever having them snap on me by the pouch! Out to 25 yds its better than an Air Rifle anyday for stopping power but i don't rekon you can push the speed up much more than 250 fps
That is alot of elastic. You will probably get more speed with a taper of 25-15. I have a few band tests with .8 bands with these tapers. You should check it out.
@@ATOMark Thankyou I will try this out I will be interested to see what the Difference is! And especially if it stops my Blasted Bands forever snapping after 20 or 30 shots by the pouch tie on
@@ernesttaylor967 the adjustable band cutting jig i got from GZK, cutting templates i get from snipersling or slingshooting.com. slingshooting.com also has the adjustable one.
Great info Mark, I just bought a large roll of Thera-Band gold, and now I see everyone is poo-pooing it. Oh well as a noob I have a Lifetime supply of bands.
I wouldn't worry about that too much. Gamekeeper John is an excellent shot and he uses gold all the time. So does Nick Hegarty. When you get used to a band and find out what works for you, you will be a sniper with that stuff.
I would probably use snipersling black .5 it is not the best for longevity but it is the fastest band I have tested for 5/16 ammo. I would reccomend hunting with 3/8 or larger though. Much better stopping power and shot placement forgiveness.
I buy mine from slingshooting.com. they take a while to arrive and they pack them pretty well. I have had some arrive broken from different places. Slingshooting will make any taper you want at any length and they ship them with a board backing them to protect them when shipped.
@ATOMark well me and you are like the same size and height and for as awesome as you shoot I'm gonna follow you to a tee my friend. Thanks for all the help and advise I can't tell you enough how much it means to me.
Thanks so much for sharing this great video! Very well done and entertaining to watch, and great info for people to see. I have tested several different sharpened tapers and they show no real speed difference but did have a slightly lower draw weight. This seems to make sense as the thinner part of the taper is longer. I am wondering if you tested draw weights and, if so, whether you saw the same thing or not. I am also curious for some of the specifics for your test- i.e. draw length, band active length, etc..
For these tests I always max out the bands. So I test the elongation, then ÷ by my draw length (76.2cm) to give me my active band length. I add 1cm for pouch attachment and what I need for fork attachment. When done right the bands will stop dead at my anchor. I did not measure the draw weight but I did notice a difference in the draw with the sharpened tapers. The lighter draw should lend its self to better accuracy. That said the 25-15 were better in draw and speed and I believe it yo be a far superior taper for the steel I shot in the test.
Great video plus it's my favorite taper for hunting. The perfect thing would be that you have the subtitles activated as you usually have in other videos. Nice to see this. Health and good shots 👌🎯💥👍
I wouldn't say it's useless. If you max the bands for the test according to your draw length. If you have a longer draw the the speeds will be faster and a shorter draw will be slower but you still get an idea how fast the bands can go. Yes temperature can effect the bands that why on many of my wintertests I shot outdoors and mentioned the temperature and shot indoors at 18°c to show how much they sped up in warmer weather. The speed tests started while on lock down. A lot of people are asking for and enjoy the tests. I have other videos coming but the tests seem to get better views. I still will be doing the reviews and other videos.
@@ATOMark Any sort of ballistic test be it powered by powder, Air , Gas , or Rubber can only benefit from an accurate chronograph, keep doing em mate . I can still remember using ballistic pendulums.. velocity x velocity x projectile weight in grains ÷ by 450240 is the only way to see what's happening down range . 👍
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25/18 11mm steel with .85 great white works great over here 👍
Thanks so much for testing .8mm with 11mm steel . I'll be making up some 25-15mm tomorrow . Be interesting to see how durable they are compared to 25-20mm . Looking forward to seeing the different tapers with the 11mm . Thanks again .
Let me know how it works out for you.
@@ATOMarkThe 25-15mm .8 great white is feels good . Nice draw , good power . Not sure about durability yet .
Nice tutorial Mark!!!! Thankyou for the info.....
Thanks!😎cool🎥 👍🙏👊✌
Thank you as always Mark, I am short draw and mainly shoot 8mm steel and sometimes 3/8 steel. So for 8mm I should use .5 band thickness. What about the .6 and .7 what is mainly recommended for them bands.
.7 I would use 3/8
.5 8mm
For the .6 you could use 8mm or 9.5 mm but different tapers
Hi. Based from experience, which do you prefer for accuracy? Straight cut or tapered? Thanks
I shoot 0.8 28.18s with 10mm lead or 11mm steel. If I remember correctly they work out at about 16 lbs draw weight and hit hard.
Great video pal.
Thanks man. How much do the 10mm and 11mm lead weigh ?
10mm lead is same as 11mm steel
Good to see you testing some thicker bands! Personally I love how much harder the bigger ammo hits! It would be interesting to know just how much taper effects band life, because even with 25 to 20 i still seem to be replacing them regularly!
Cheers mark
Here is the thing.... overpowered bands will wear out faster because it is like dry firing them. This damages the bands. Extreme tapers will wear out quickly. There is a sweet spot for bands that will give you good speed and longevity. It all about matching your bands to ammo.
Another great video, good to see someone putting the time in for all of us
I'm happy you are enjoying them.
Fantastic brother 👏!!
I had extra bands that were 50mm wide at top to 20mm bottom...I folded em over... a single band...OTT frame...shot way farther and harder than 3 bands...
Brother, thanks for taking time to do this! Love them templates! I don’t always wear safety glasses when I shoot but I always wear a cup. You can never be too safe! 😂 Great video as always brother!👊💥🙏
The cup is key if I had the choose....TAKE THE DAMN EYE!! 🤣
@@ATOMark 😂
Great shooting Mark 👏
25/20 .7 bands with 9.5 steel is what i mostly shoot but very interested to see what taper i could go down to whilst still being able to use for hunting but also give the liter draw to stop hand shake
I meant lighter lol
I use 9.5 steel and I'm mostly using 1mm precise with a 14/8 taper so very thick latex but not wide at all. It shoots very fast with no shaking problems, it's killing everything I shoot it at with headshots and the bandsets are lasting a long time. Don't think I'll go back to thin bands tbh.
Tapers really make a big difference. Since I have been exploring band tapers I have really found matching band tapers and thickness to the proper ammo makes all the difference. There is a sweet spot you need to find that will give you a comfortable draw with good speed and itnwill improve overall performance and accuracy.
Hi , I use bsb .75 cut 20-15mm with 9.5mm steel as a light set up . For pigeon and squirrels it's good out to 15m . I.ve got snipersling .7 cut 23-17mm that's light and fast with 9.5 steel . Again head shots only out to 15m . Don't know if that helps , good luck with your hunting .
@@ronnieoo1341 sounds brilliant 👏
Great video again. I stick to a few preferred tappers myself too.
very educative video, i would like to see if you can compare different taper and thickness but with the same rubber weight. From my last "taper adventure" i found that my 24-16 0.5mm thickness have the same result as 15-10 0.7mm thickness band, both have the same rubber weight, tested with 8mm (i am more to target shooter than hunting soo 8mm are my largest ammo). im very curious how this "rubber weight" applied to other heavy band. (pardon for my english)
The most devastating hunting setup I have found for short draw is 25-15 .7 snipersling with 7/16 steel. Its not over heavy but it puts a smack down on just about anything.
Ya 25-15 is the best all rounder for heavy bands in my opinion. I don't know why 25-20 is so popular. Heavy draw, slower speeds....maybe its a longevity thing 🤔
I think it's because of the heavy draw and no chronograph people think its faster. Like people used to put bigger springs in airguns thinking harder to cock and more recoil = more power
Maybe. Or they are more concerned about longevity.
oh its definitely longevity. I mean really a set of 25-20s will almost get double the shots of a 25-15. so you sacrifice all those shots for maybe 15fps really.
Do you max the bands out? I also shot some sets of 25-15 snipersling yellow with 9,5 steel. Loved it but went with heavier bands after all.
Thats Waynes set up mate 😮😊😂❤
Nice video as always. On testing the 25 to 12 taper, that type of taper will deteriorate the bands way much faster than any other taper.
Oh ya thats true but I want to check the speed. In my opinion for a hunting band speed and velocity should be the primary concern. The faster you can get a large projectile going the cleaner the kill will be. For target shooting I would not choose a band this size.
@@ATOMark Got you :) looking forward for the video.
Excellent video keep them coming mark 👍
You got it brother
For what it is, classy testing. Gamekeeper hunts with 30 x 25. Muscle man. 25x12 will push 8mm well. Not 9.5 or 11mm. Different story with
25x17 or 25x18. Mark, you are becoming like live ENCYCLOPEDIA.
Every video is enjoyable. ENZO is a good frame, but I can hold it only in a hammer grip, a little strange to me. Keep them coming, those really educational videos. Looks like Canadian Spring finally arrived.
Lol we had 10cm of snow this week. Lol hopefully thats the last of it.
Gamekeeper uses 30 to 20 taper not 30 to 25.
@@michkanm Thank you, news to me.
I found the same results when I switched to my 25 x 13 sharpen taper band sets. No real speed difference or longevity of the bands but the nice thing was if I had a small tear near the end I could cut it off even again and have the exact same taper as the longer bands. Other than that they seem the same to me.
Glad to hear the test pull accident got you in the face instead of the eye! The silly little stuff is what gets you when things go sideways. Even just for a moment! Don't ask me how I know! Nice shooting. Interesting test.
Lol it happens to the best of us I guess.
Im more accurate with theraband for some reason, seems to have a less harsh draw and release to it. Currently shoot 30-20 but would love to see the theraband at 30-15 to see if there’s any difference in speed. Love the channel 👍
Thanks man. I just shot a video with theraband gold 30-15. Not a speed test but I still have the bands on. I may do it. Just for fun.
@@ATOMark look forward to seeing it. All the best
Hey my friend I just bought Omega white bands in .5 and .6 and .7, can you please tell me the diferance in the 3 band sets. Which one is more powerful and what do differant thicknesses do in shooting. Thank you il wait for your responce buddy.
Well you would want to match your bands to your ammo. If you shoot 8mm steel .5 is a great band for that short draw. .6 is a good band for 8mm and can be used for 9.5 mm steel depending on the taper short draw. .7 will bring the heat for 9.5mm steel but is too overpowered for 8mm steel. You could really trim the tapers to shoot 8mm steel but you are better off using the right bands like .5 for 8mm.
Basically thicker elastic for bigger ammo. If you shoot long draw or Butterfly .5 will work for 8mm and 9.5mm steel
Didn't you get hand slap shooting 9,5 steel with those heavy bands ?
Ya I did but I've worked in the steel industry for 22 years and I only started wearing gloves in the last 6 or so. Hand slap is like foreplay now. I'm used to it. Doesn't really bother me at all unless I hit a fingernail
Very interesting vid keep em coming bro can’t wait till the next vids 👍🏻💥💪
I will be shooting one today. Should be up in a few days
@@ATOMark brilliant bro look forward to it 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I wish that you test that regular tapers draw weight including sharpened tapers draw weight. That would be good to know and identify to match with the exact ammo size..
The sharpened taper had a slightly lighter draw weight than the regular. The 25-15 was lighter and faster than both of them.
Very good bro....great info there👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks brother. Stay safe man.
Enjoyed watching your video. At the moment l am using Theraband just because l want to improve my accuracy as l just got started a few months ago. I am using 25 20 taper because they last longer. I am looking forward to your video on Theraband bands.
You can become consistant and accurate with theraband but they are a very low performance band compared to whats out there these days. You may find that if you decide to change bands your accuracy will be off or shooting high. That is because the bands are shooting way faster. I would suggest switching to one of the many popular bands to start off with. You will have better performance.
I noticed that. My GZK came with a yellow and a black bandset. Those bands are in a completly different leauge.
Great video I'd been wondering about the tapers myself
I dont know if there would be a difference with different tapers. The only thing I would say is the draw was a little lighter.
Great White is great 🤘
Nice to hear that 25-15 works so well. That taper works great with other bands too.
Ya I much prefer 25-15. Its my go to for heavier bands. Better draw, better speed and better accuracy. Hey did you see all the 👎I have a good collection going on this video 😆
@@ATOMarkThumb down guy have some friends...
I was worried, if something has happened to this poor soul, who tortures himself by watching our videos, but looks like everything is fine, because my latest toothpick video has one thumb down too 👏
Thumb down is a sign, that You have been noticed and You make great great videos 👍🤘😎
Lol I guess! Good way to think about it.
Very interesting cheers..Am i using too much Elastic when I use .8 Bands cut at 35 to 25 mm 10 mm taper along the length ..Flings 9.5 steel Fast but im forever having them snap on me by the pouch!
Out to 25 yds its better than an Air Rifle anyday for stopping power but i don't rekon you can push the speed up much more than 250 fps
That is alot of elastic. You will probably get more speed with a taper of 25-15. I have a few band tests with .8 bands with these tapers. You should check it out.
@@ATOMark Thankyou I will try this out I will be interested to see what the Difference is! And especially if it stops my Blasted Bands forever snapping after 20 or 30 shots by the pouch tie on
Hey, where did you get those band jigs? New to adult slingshotting and your videos. Thanks for a lot of great information.
Which Jig are you talking about. The one I use to tie or to cut the elastic?
@@ATOMark To cut.
@@ernesttaylor967 the adjustable band cutting jig i got from GZK, cutting templates i get from snipersling or slingshooting.com. slingshooting.com also has the adjustable one.
Great info Mark, I just bought a large roll of Thera-Band gold, and now I see everyone is poo-pooing it. Oh well as a noob I have a Lifetime supply of bands.
It's not as good as it was but it's still usable and will kill if your aim is good
I wouldn't worry about that too much. Gamekeeper John is an excellent shot and he uses gold all the time. So does Nick Hegarty. When you get used to a band and find out what works for you, you will be a sniper with that stuff.
@@ATOMark AMEN to that. Gamekeeper John shoots GZK greens nowadays. Gave up on gold.
Is that right. I used to love gzk green before it changed. Now I am not a fan
A very informative video
Thanks man.
great vid pal it fuckin hurts when them bands snap back in on your chreek weve all done it pal 😃😃😠👍
Oh man it does hurt. Lol
Nice job! Interesting!
where do you get those large pouches?
These large pouches are from Catty shack catapults
What type of flat rubber band do you recommend for hunting with 5/16 ammunition?
I would probably use snipersling black .5 it is not the best for longevity but it is the fastest band I have tested for 5/16 ammo. I would reccomend hunting with 3/8 or larger though. Much better stopping power and shot placement forgiveness.
@@ATOMark Can I use that same .5 league with 3/8 ammunition? Any cut you recommend??? Greetings and congratulations for your videos, love them 🙏👏👍
@@ATOMark I'm thinking of using precise .65 league with a 25x17 cut and 17 active, to use it in 3/8 ammunition, what is your opinion???
@@ATOMark A question my dear friend, where can I buy the slingshots you use???
@jesusbucio7556 .65 precise is a good band. I have not tried the League.
hey man where do you buy these pre cut board things? i need some lol
I buy mine from slingshooting.com. they take a while to arrive and they pack them pretty well. I have had some arrive broken from different places. Slingshooting will make any taper you want at any length and they ship them with a board backing them to protect them when shipped.
I know it's differant for everybody but can you recommend me a taper please. I use to use what you did before it was 20 to 12 taper.
I shoot 22- 12 for .5 bands and for .7. I use 25-15
@ATOMark well me and you are like the same size and height and for as awesome as you shoot I'm gonna follow you to a tee my friend. Thanks for all the help and advise I can't tell you enough how much it means to me.
@JohnVentarino-ey5ln anytime man. I just glad I can help.
Thanks so much for sharing this great video! Very well done and entertaining to watch, and great info for people to see. I have tested several different sharpened tapers and they show no real speed difference but did have a slightly lower draw weight. This seems to make sense as the thinner part of the taper is longer. I am wondering if you tested draw weights and, if so, whether you saw the same thing or not. I am also curious for some of the specifics for your test- i.e. draw length, band active length, etc..
For these tests I always max out the bands. So I test the elongation, then ÷ by my draw length (76.2cm) to give me my active band length. I add 1cm for pouch attachment and what I need for fork attachment. When done right the bands will stop dead at my anchor. I did not measure the draw weight but I did notice a difference in the draw with the sharpened tapers. The lighter draw should lend its self to better accuracy. That said the 25-15 were better in draw and speed and I believe it yo be a far superior taper for the steel I shot in the test.
You shouldn't call your wife a "big dude".
But it gets her fired up! Lol
u have a beautiful slingshot,can u sponsor me 1 of that slingshot because I can't afford to buy because my money isn't enough for my medicine. 🙏 🙏
Sorry I cant
Great video plus it's my favorite taper for hunting. The perfect thing would be that you have the subtitles activated as you usually have in other videos. Nice to see this. Health and good shots 👌🎯💥👍
Really I have subtitles? I don't even know how to do that. Lol You tube must do it automatically 🤣
@@ATOMark I usually have it activated but sometimes they fail or Google things ... Thanks
Yea great speed but your shaking like a leaf.
Why so much crono? Its completely useless! Every little thing that changes from draw, hold positions, environment, and ecs.
I wouldn't say it's useless. If you max the bands for the test according to your draw length. If you have a longer draw the the speeds will be faster and a shorter draw will be slower but you still get an idea how fast the bands can go. Yes temperature can effect the bands that why on many of my wintertests I shot outdoors and mentioned the temperature and shot indoors at 18°c to show how much they sped up in warmer weather.
The speed tests started while on lock down. A lot of people are asking for and enjoy the tests. I have other videos coming but the tests seem to get better views. I still will be doing the reviews and other videos.
@@ATOMark Any sort of ballistic test be it powered by powder, Air , Gas , or Rubber can only benefit from an accurate chronograph, keep doing em mate . I can still remember using ballistic pendulums.. velocity x velocity x projectile weight in grains ÷ by 450240 is the only way to see what's happening down range . 👍