So, let me understand if I am getting this right. - You use a stencil and a spatula to apply low melting point liquid solder to the PCB - The PNP puts the componentd onto the PCB - Superficial tension from the solder keeps everything in place - The oven melts the solder - The ultrasonic cleaner removes leftover flux Correct?
That is exactly how I do it. even if the parts are not 100% perfectly placed the reflow will pull them straight. I poke from time to time one component that's off too much to avoid rework later. Before US clean I check for solder bridges or other errors. After cleaning I test the boards. If there is a fail I rework, clean and test again
What perfect timing to tempt me. Just a few days ago, I was hunched over my workbench with tweezers and a stereo microscope placing teeny-tiny components. Just thinking, this would be way easier to have a PnP machine do this for me. Of course, I'm not making boards in quantity, so I could spend a lot of effort getting a PnP machine built and running to "save time." Thanks for the video!
Humorous highlight@ 6:09. I would've liked to have seen Young Frankenstein clip, "It's alive!!" used @ 7:02. I thoroughly enjoy these videos. You are a master builder, not just for your prowess mechanically, sir, but your electronics knowledge. I was introduced to pick-n-place machines used ubiquitously in Boulder Colorado some three decades ago. Incredible technology. Didn't know these had dropped so much in price they are now affordable to a homeowner. I sure hope the blood, sweat & tears was worth it for this massive build, Mr. Bitluni, and you reap untold profits from your small manufacturing endeavor.
You got off lucky! I was using an oscilloscope to measure the voltage on a 96V BLDC motor and made the classic "how NOT to blow up your oscilloscope" mistake and the surge went through the probe, into the oscilloscope, but rather than ground, I guess my plug was flaky, it went down the OTHER probe, to my board under test, into the USB port, into my $1500 laptop (killing it!), and through my power adapters to ground. Yes the power adapters connected the negative contact to earth ground. I took the laptop apart to repair it louis-rossman style, hoping it was just a blown fuse since the laptop simply didn't do anything. Found 1 PCB mount fuse that was blown and some random SOT23 package, but also a dead VRM on the CPU. I suspect the CPU saw a 12V spike on one if it's lower power rails, killing it, but I have no easy way to tell if it's alive or dead. I was able to get some sign of life by removing the shorted MOSFET and VRM but no POST screen or anything.
The body diode in a mosfet doesn’t protect it against inductive flyback voltages. A discreet flyback diode (or freewheeling diode) needs to be placed (reverse biased) between drain and supply - assuming you are low side switching that pump.
The best protection for your PC is a USB isolator. They're not super cheap but they are cheaper than an entire PC. The need for isolators increases with the amount of power your device uses. Remember ground is not ground, it's a wire leading to ground. Bad grounds will allow high currents to travel up one USB cable and down the other.
7:10 - Louis would be proud off how much flux you use. But that colour? Interesting... Nice video. Thanks for sharing and congratulations on this successful build of your PnP machine. +1
You are very talented young man! Reminds me myself, when I was young.... I love your honesty and show the mistakes - we are just humans, not 100% perfect yet. Thank you for sharing your videos!
created a smart home system with electric door locks, but when i unlock the door locks the whole system was restarting :) that was the point when i learned about the spikes that come from coils and the meaning and usage of fly-back diodes :) i lost whole week debugging and testing, was thinking it was my custom software problem :)
@@bitluni luckily the door locks were far away from the microcontroller and electronics, was controlling them using relay which has optic isolation i think...
I'm always inspired by Bitluni,this man is a genius and he's contributing a lot to all electronic engineers all over the world,i can't wait to see him building a large factory"May God help
I've been looking for vid like this, for so long. Thank you so much for making this. I really would like to see a video with a slightly more components, to demonstrate how effective this machine would be for a larger PCBs Guys in chat, can you like this comment, so he'll see the request for a larger, more complex pcb assembly montage pls 😀
Super nice. The correction of the component is actually sort of mandatory. I've worked with professional pick and place machines and you will be surprised how many components are just totally skewed in the reels. Sometimes even 180 degrees flipped. Normally this is done with a second steady camera, as a step between picking and placing. I was only wondering if you could go faster with this thing? Unless you're doing 100 boards, I don't really see a benefit vs placing thing yourself. All preparations considered. In fact, nowadays I just order them assembled even in small quantities.
Thank you for the nice video and congratulations 🎊 🎉 for making it work (including your recovery 🚑)! I guess you have a larger stencil for the PCB that holds all your individual PCBs (as it comes from JLCPCB) to put the solder paste? Very fascinating to watch! Thanks to the steak, I‘m now starving for breakfast 🥞 😅
@5:38 when I saw the bag of parts, I said "Nooooo!" Great to see that you were able to fix it. :) Excellent video, too! I've got a T-Tech Quick Circuit 6000 that I picked up off of eBay for $650. It's lacking pick and place, but maybe not for long... :)
You are my hero! I want to do this so badly. ( sorry for the odd English syntax ). I am inspired by you so I may try this myself. My girlfriend is going to kill me when I take over a bedroom in which to set this up. 😬. Here in Texas we have no basement in which do do such projects.
I think after all that work you deserve more than one treat! Having seen the FTDI fix I have to know if you learnt your flux usage from a certain Mr Rossmann of New York? Seriously though - that's an amazing result - well done.
Thanks for inspiration. Liteplacer looks like great reasonably priced tool for a small workshop :) Regarding the additional FET board, I would honestly expect this to be an integral part of the board. It should be a fully working kit, shouldn't it? Why would you need to get an additional part? I would expect it to be part of the kit, even if it's an extra board.
wow!!! home made pick and place machine...GREAT !!! ... i just remember vintage manual DIE ATTACH and WIRE BONDING machines of one of the SEMICON factory i worked... :) :)
I've watched quite a lot of this progress Live but it is nice to see the whole experience in one nicely edited video. Also amazed you had overview camera's running all the time.
I fried a MKS SBASE too! :D I was trying to connect an endstop when the endstop's + and - wires brushed against each other very briefly and it totally blew up a little SC70 component that I think is a level shifter. Left a surprisingly large skid mark! 😹
Fiducials! Now I finally know how those things are called and what they are for :D I've been wondering that for YEARS, but apparently my googling skillz are too bad to find that on my own. Thanks! And btw: great Video as always. This machine is awsome
Definitely a textbook example of " DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY " this is especially if the operator is allowed to operate it barefooted ( que in slap forehead clip with sound Efx )
This reminds me: I want a PnP machine! I have no need for it though, but it is so cool to watch. Nice build log. I saw a lot of it live and I hope the night shifts do not stop ;)
First of all - it was interesting! That's for sure! Was it useful? I don't know. I see that the process requires A LOT of manual work to start: place components in the tray, machine aligning, software setup. It was not clear how much time you're spending each time to set up the process, but for me it looks pretty significant. In the end this machine costs a lot. 1700 Euros! So which production volume will save money versus manual pick and place?
Great video thanks for sharing. If you go Open PNP which is excellent by the way . Make sure you go Open PNP 2 not 1 otherwise later on you will have to convert settings.
Amazing we are going to try making this machine for our graduation project can you pls give me the name of components and part that you used to bulid this amazing machine
When the machine goes to pick up the next component from a tape, does it use the camera to see where the next full compartment is, or does it just remember which compartment it visited last time and go to the next one along?
Absolutely fascinating. Now I want one. But I guess I need to design my first board ... uh ... first. OK I'll wait for more videos. It feels like it's going to be cheaper. I'm so happy that you managed to sort out all the challenges, and thanks for sharing.
So if the parts are placed by this machine it's done? Don't they have to be soldered onto the pcb? Could you introduce the whole assembling process, pls? By the way, saw the 3018 CNC video now i see a slight step up. Whats next space travel? I am already exited ;)
Please test OpenPNP Software and then also show how to teak the machine for speed. The first placings looked very slow. But the project looks very cool! Well done (not the magic smoke part ;-)
Can you manually control the pick and place for one-off custom prototype boards as well. i.e. use camera to visually position it, then control suction nozzle to pick up and place it where you visually want to put it? i.e. joystick control? Also, how do you solder paste? Manually with a stencil or does the machine apply paste as well?
I'm surprised the camera they use has a rolling shutter (instead of global shutter) but I guess it keeps the cost down, and the machine still works. You can notice it as the image warps while in motion.
when a motor is disconected it gives a reverse polarity high voltage peak, in toy cars the controller were protected by installing a ceramic capacitor directly to the motor, this way when the energy is turned off the reverse polarity colapses with the stored energy in the capacitor protecting the circuit, I wonder if it would work here too?
Please get some trinamic drivers for that thing it really sounds horrible for anyone used to modern 3D printing... But nice didn't knew that there is a DIY Pick and Place Machine Kit that you can just buy, always assumed you need to source the stuff yourself.
@@bitluni trinamics silent step is pretty amazing. All that is left is fan noise... sometimes you wonder if its even plugged in. It makes a real difference when you are working around the machine. But man, that sounded really terrifying in your vid...
This is very cool! There is another maker on RUclips who is making an openPNP kit, it's been a great adventure to watch and I think you might enjoy it too. His name is Stephen Hawes. I'll post a link in a reply comment.
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I have never made a PCB in my life, but I want one of these machines!
Welcome to the club 😁😁
I have hand soldered dozens and I would love this thing.
So, let me understand if I am getting this right.
- You use a stencil and a spatula to apply low melting point liquid solder to the PCB
- The PNP puts the componentd onto the PCB
- Superficial tension from the solder keeps everything in place
- The oven melts the solder
- The ultrasonic cleaner removes leftover flux
Correct?
That is exactly how I do it. even if the parts are not 100% perfectly placed the reflow will pull them straight. I poke from time to time one component that's off too much to avoid rework later. Before US clean I check for solder bridges or other errors. After cleaning I test the boards. If there is a fail I rework, clean and test again
@@bitluni nice. Thanks. 👍🏻
11:05 now all you need is a machine to place those chips in the tray
Then he need a machine to buy those chips and arrive them from China
@@Mauricetz Then he also need a machine that makes those chips in china so he can buy them
What perfect timing to tempt me. Just a few days ago, I was hunched over my workbench with tweezers and a stereo microscope placing teeny-tiny components. Just thinking, this would be way easier to have a PnP machine do this for me. Of course, I'm not making boards in quantity, so I could spend a lot of effort getting a PnP machine built and running to "save time." Thanks for the video!
Humorous highlight@ 6:09. I would've liked to have seen Young Frankenstein clip, "It's alive!!" used @ 7:02. I thoroughly enjoy these videos. You are a master builder, not just for your prowess mechanically, sir, but your electronics knowledge. I was introduced to pick-n-place machines used ubiquitously in Boulder Colorado some three decades ago. Incredible technology. Didn't know these had dropped so much in price they are now affordable to a homeowner. I sure hope the blood, sweat & tears was worth it for this massive build, Mr. Bitluni, and you reap untold profits from your small manufacturing endeavor.
You got off lucky! I was using an oscilloscope to measure the voltage on a 96V BLDC motor and made the classic "how NOT to blow up your oscilloscope" mistake and the surge went through the probe, into the oscilloscope, but rather than ground, I guess my plug was flaky, it went down the OTHER probe, to my board under test, into the USB port, into my $1500 laptop (killing it!), and through my power adapters to ground. Yes the power adapters connected the negative contact to earth ground.
I took the laptop apart to repair it louis-rossman style, hoping it was just a blown fuse since the laptop simply didn't do anything. Found 1 PCB mount fuse that was blown and some random SOT23 package, but also a dead VRM on the CPU. I suspect the CPU saw a 12V spike on one if it's lower power rails, killing it, but I have no easy way to tell if it's alive or dead. I was able to get some sign of life by removing the shorted MOSFET and VRM but no POST screen or anything.
Oh man... that sounds terrifying. feeling really sorry you didn't have as much luck as I had.
The body diode in a mosfet doesn’t protect it against inductive flyback voltages. A discreet flyback diode (or freewheeling diode) needs to be placed (reverse biased) between drain and supply - assuming you are low side switching that pump.
I was there when it finally happened! So glad you could share that moment with us.
The best protection for your PC is a USB isolator. They're not super cheap but they are cheaper than an entire PC. The need for isolators increases with the amount of power your device uses. Remember ground is not ground, it's a wire leading to ground. Bad grounds will allow high currents to travel up one USB cable and down the other.
7:10 - Louis would be proud off how much flux you use. But that colour? Interesting...
Nice video. Thanks for sharing and congratulations on this successful build of your PnP machine. +1
it's just a proper amount. thanks for your robust comment
I was actually lucky enough to have helped build a pick and place in the 1980's. Even got to wirewrap a bunch of boards
Nice! Now you could upgrade it with some nice enclosure as well as transporting rail which could ship pcbs right into reflow oven
You are very talented young man! Reminds me myself, when I was young.... I love your honesty and show the mistakes - we are just humans, not 100% perfect yet. Thank you for sharing your videos!
Ok boomer
@@hansdietrich83 what is the problem?
created a smart home system with electric door locks, but when i unlock the door locks the whole system was restarting :) that was the point when i learned about the spikes that come from coils and the meaning and usage of fly-back diodes :) i lost whole week debugging and testing, was thinking it was my custom software problem :)
You are lucky nothing melted :-D
@@bitluni luckily the door locks were far away from the microcontroller and electronics, was controlling them using relay which has optic isolation i think...
Every maker needs an Aaron
Pocket-Aaron
I would love to see a timelapse of your pick & placer just working away.
I'm always inspired by Bitluni,this man is a genius and he's contributing a lot to all electronic engineers all over the world,i can't wait to see him building a large factory"May God help
super!
when I was working as a Board component installer, I wanted to build a place machine like this
but now I'm a system administrator))
I've been looking for vid like this, for so long. Thank you so much for making this.
I really would like to see a video with a slightly more components, to demonstrate how effective this machine would be for a larger PCBs
Guys in chat, can you like this comment, so he'll see the request for a larger, more complex pcb assembly montage pls 😀
What exactly do you need in terms of information?
that machine literally opens new doors of ideas. thanks. :)
Super nice.
The correction of the component is actually sort of mandatory. I've worked with professional pick and place machines and you will be surprised how many components are just totally skewed in the reels. Sometimes even 180 degrees flipped. Normally this is done with a second steady camera, as a step between picking and placing.
I was only wondering if you could go faster with this thing?
Unless you're doing 100 boards, I don't really see a benefit vs placing thing yourself. All preparations considered.
In fact, nowadays I just order them assembled even in small quantities.
A good machine helps to solve many problems that we met in small electronic circuits
Omg I need this. Your videos are awesome, and besides I always learn something, I really enjoy the musical selections. Minimal & chill.
That outro was flipping lovely, the synced audio, goddamn
Thank you for the nice video and congratulations 🎊 🎉 for making it work (including your recovery 🚑)! I guess you have a larger stencil for the PCB that holds all your individual PCBs (as it comes from JLCPCB) to put the solder paste? Very fascinating to watch! Thanks to the steak, I‘m now starving for breakfast 🥞 😅
Great recap video Bitluni! I have no need for a PNP, but seeing yours and Seon's - my life feels empty without one now!! haha
I just discovered your channel, and I'm so glad I did! From the few videos I've seen so far, it's wonderful. 😀
@5:38 when I saw the bag of parts, I said "Nooooo!" Great to see that you were able to fix it. :) Excellent video, too!
I've got a T-Tech Quick Circuit 6000 that I picked up off of eBay for $650. It's lacking pick and place, but maybe not for long... :)
7:08 Green flux? Or are you soldering with Götterspeise?
smells worse :-)
You are my hero! I want to do this so badly. ( sorry for the odd English syntax ). I am inspired by you so I may try this myself. My girlfriend is going to kill me when I take over a bedroom in which to set this up. 😬. Here in Texas we have no basement in which do do such projects.
11:35 I have built the exact-same unwind system. (I think everyone has built the exact-same unwind system. :-) )
Good work.
Oh please, everything else/better would be a total overkill, material- and designwise...
OpenPNP! Second pickup head! Cast aluminium feeders! Great video
Now you need the roll through reflow oven, and flying finger probe test set at the end and your be full auto.
and will it blend at the end :-D
7:17 excited german noises 😂
This is amazing I did not know that this was possible on the cheap thank you
I think after all that work you deserve more than one treat!
Having seen the FTDI fix I have to know if you learnt your flux usage from a certain Mr Rossmann of New York?
Seriously though - that's an amazing result - well done.
I don't know what you mean... it's just the proper amount. Thanks for the robust conversation
@@bitluni Luis Rossmann is a well known repair guy (mainly apple i think) with good skills and he has an youtube channel too
@@fritzfahrmann4730 he's also renowned for using way too damn much flux.
Bigger the blob, better the job. Thats what Rossman says about it!
You mean "the right amount of flux is all of them" approach?
Thanks for inspiration. Liteplacer looks like great reasonably priced tool for a small workshop :)
Regarding the additional FET board, I would honestly expect this to be an integral part of the board. It should be a fully working kit, shouldn't it? Why would you need to get an additional part? I would expect it to be part of the kit, even if it's an extra board.
Coole Videos! Macht Spaß die Maschine in Action zu sehen!
Very cool. The volumes I deal with need to use the Fuji machines but it's great to see something for small shops available too.
Nice machine, a less expensive than most other compact "desktop" pick and place machines.
I really wish I had a reason to build this, I really want one.
wow!!! home made pick and place machine...GREAT !!! ... i just remember vintage manual DIE ATTACH and WIRE BONDING machines of one of the SEMICON factory i worked... :) :)
You said: "it's doing something..." I heard: "It's alive!" (like Frankenstein)
I've watched quite a lot of this progress Live but it is nice to see the whole experience in one nicely edited video. Also amazed you had overview camera's running all the time.
Funny how you start explaining what this machine is about, nearly to the end of the video! Delicious! :D
I found your channel during your very very very very long live stream. Nice to see what went into this, I don't need one but I do want one :-)
Awesome! Still have my lite placer in the box. My next project, very helpful thanks for sharing
Maybe the right time to unpack this toy
Very cool, good luck with some upgrades and thanks for sharing!
5:19 I feel that scream... Happend to my MKS SBASE of my 3d pinter build. Fried the USB port xD
I fried a MKS SBASE too! :D I was trying to connect an endstop when the endstop's + and - wires brushed against each other very briefly and it totally blew up a little SC70 component that I think is a level shifter. Left a surprisingly large skid mark! 😹
I was able to replace the small SMD component and restore usb functionality. Switching to SKR v1.4 anyways. 😂
Fiducials! Now I finally know how those things are called and what they are for :D I've been wondering that for YEARS, but apparently my googling skillz are too bad to find that on my own. Thanks! And btw: great Video as always. This machine is awsome
Definitely a textbook example of " DISRUPTIVE TECHNOLOGY " this is especially if the operator is allowed to operate it barefooted ( que in slap forehead clip with sound Efx )
it actually feels like 3d printers 5 years ago
never seen green flux before, cool!
Great walk-through
Great project
Thanks for sharing 👍😁
This reminds me: I want a PnP machine! I have no need for it though, but it is so cool to watch. Nice build log. I saw a lot of it live and I hope the night shifts do not stop ;)
tru
night shifts will go on... so much on the table :-)
First of all - it was interesting! That's for sure!
Was it useful? I don't know. I see that the process requires A LOT of manual work to start: place components in the tray, machine aligning, software setup. It was not clear how much time you're spending each time to set up the process, but for me it looks pretty significant.
In the end this machine costs a lot. 1700 Euros! So which production volume will save money versus manual pick and place?
Nice summary of the build!
Thanks for the help :-)
Great video thanks for sharing. If you go Open PNP which is excellent by the way . Make sure you go Open PNP 2 not 1 otherwise later on you will have to convert settings.
Very cool mini factory setup :)
Correct me if I am wrong, but body diodes are not suitable kickback diodes, as they are not antiparallel to load. etc. They are in the wrong place.
I don't know what I'm doing... seriously... there is a reason why I put that board in between
Glad its all working now
Amazing we are going to try making this machine for our graduation project can you pls give me the name of components and part that you used to bulid this amazing machine
Mindblowing. Wow. Well done
That was really cool to watch .... and now I'm hungry ..
Extremely well done Bud. That was fun to watch. Glad you got it sorted!
I didn't know it was this easy to mass produce hundreds or thousands of a design yourself :O
When the machine goes to pick up the next component from a tape, does it use the camera to see where the next full compartment is, or does it just remember which compartment it visited last time and go to the next one along?
Where it visited last time and goes to the next one.
it remembers
Very, very, cool. Thanks for sharing!!
My life would be so much more difficult without the WAGO clamps 😂🙈 thanks!
Hello sir. Is it possible to do this with Arduino? What is the program that takes smd and shows where to put it?
Absolutely fascinating. Now I want one. But I guess I need to design my first board ... uh ... first. OK I'll wait for more videos. It feels like it's going to be cheaper. I'm so happy that you managed to sort out all the challenges, and thanks for sharing.
i'm surprised the mdf didn't have any unleveled spots. Does the software compensate with a Z mapping of the surface?
12:38 You should create a program to use the hardware as an AOI - checking for polarities or extreme misplacement.
So if the parts are placed by this machine it's done? Don't they have to be soldered onto the pcb? Could you introduce the
whole assembling process, pls? By the way, saw the 3018 CNC video now i see a slight step up. Whats next space travel?
I am already exited ;)
Great brother 👍 Nice work done.
Showing more of the OpenPNP setup/configuration would be useful.
OH MY GOD, you are a GOD!!!
Please test OpenPNP Software and then also show how to teak the machine for speed. The first placings looked very slow. But the project looks very cool! Well done (not the magic smoke part ;-)
it is very cool to have good friend, who can help with project and eat barbeque meat with cold beer...
Superb work man
I found it interesting is an understatement!
Can you manually control the pick and place for one-off custom prototype boards as well. i.e. use camera to visually position it, then control suction nozzle to pick up and place it where you visually want to put it? i.e. joystick control? Also, how do you solder paste? Manually with a stencil or does the machine apply paste as well?
I'm surprised the camera they use has a rolling shutter (instead of global shutter) but I guess it keeps the cost down, and the machine still works. You can notice it as the image warps while in motion.
true, it's a basic webcam. works good enough and I'm thankful. otherwise my screw up would be more expensive
Nice work !
At 5:01 you are proofing that at 4:35
you was very serious.
By the way it looks promising. Nice job, keep going.
when a motor is disconected it gives a reverse polarity high voltage peak, in toy cars the controller were protected by installing a ceramic capacitor directly to the motor, this way when the energy is turned off the reverse polarity colapses with the stored energy in the capacitor protecting the circuit, I wonder if it would work here too?
I know it's already fixed but I wonder if this simpler solution would work too
i want feel soon such felling when the first component has been placed . Very enjoyliable video
3:20 I'm suddenly aware of the fact that I'm starving and want some steak. Thanks for that.
Wow, it's great ! I'm almost jaleous. Nice job !
I REALLY want one :o Got a really fiddly project coming where this would be super useful
Now is time for make some feeders
Could you explain what you meant by the component graveyard? did all those go bad or just mixed up?
Please get some trinamic drivers for that thing it really sounds horrible for anyone used to modern 3D printing...
But nice didn't knew that there is a DIY Pick and Place Machine Kit that you can just buy, always assumed you need to source the stuff yourself.
The current was set too high while I filmed earlier. I reduced the current and it's sounds much healthier now :-)
@@bitluni trinamics silent step is pretty amazing.
All that is left is fan noise... sometimes you wonder if its even plugged in.
It makes a real difference when you are working around the machine.
But man, that sounded really terrifying in your vid...
I have to say that is really nice man.
Ok. I’m missing the next step in the process. Do you use solder paste and a heat gun to solder the components after placing?
Hi nice video! Why do you use a ultrasonic cleaner at the end of the video? I know they clean but what do you wanna clean off?
what a grand toy that would be!!
This is very cool! There is another maker on RUclips who is making an openPNP kit, it's been a great adventure to watch and I think you might enjoy it too. His name is Stephen Hawes. I'll post a link in a reply comment.
Really interesting! This is just placing the SMCs, do you still need to blast them with a heatgun or is it a special soldering paste?
Hi, Nice project. 🙂 You need a motorized reel retractor. 😉
There are some nice open source builds 😍
@@bitluni I build the my smart home and garden light system. ;-)
Do you have any numbers on how fast the machine is able to populate a board vs you doing it by hand?
Great work!