Adventure Boot vs MX feat the Gaerne Dakar and Gaerne Fastback
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2021
- Using the opportunity of having both of these in hand to highlight some of the differences between Adventure and MX boots. I think at the end of the day, gear compatibility and desire for a membrane will drive a lot of your choice - because as I go in to, the protection and comfort part really comes down to the MX boot in the end.
Thanks for being the only human being on RUclips to actually SHOW the lateral stability.
Thanks. Very useful comparison. I was contemplating ADV boots but you have convinced me to go ahead with proper Mx Boot- safety over style hands down.
This is exactly the same thought process I was having. A mid-level MX boot just ticks so many boxes.
Than You Chris, well done review!👍👍🙏🏻
The video I wanted. Thx you very much!
I recently got some Fastbacks for off road riding and racing. Well I purchased a 790 KTM last month and was looking at getting some adventure boots. But after watching in your video it appears that I have all I need already.
Great review! I have some TCX Jupiter boots which I love when I’m just riding around casually and running errands and such. As an above ankle boot they don’t offer the protection of a full boot obviously. I wear my MX boots (Alpinestars Tech 5) when I do trail or dirt riding…..just lots more protection without many downsides as u so nicely presented. I’d only consider adventure boots if I was doing long trips where rain might be an issue and I was doing dirt at times.
That’s my thoughts!
I tried on some crossfire 3s and tech 7s today. As you said, the 3s were heavy. The tech 7s were comfortable but had a high arch.
I have a big GS and do basically all road riding, sometimes down to 40F. I think I'll go with the Dakars! I'd been riding with literally just Redwing workboots for the last decade, 914s, so the Dakars will be drastically better protection. Based on reviews it doesn't look like I'm giving up much in comfort, possibly even gaining, at least while on the bike. Probably going to have to start swapping to crocs or something when I get off to walk though.
I've considered sport touring boots but it almost feels like I'd be better off with another pair of redwings since I can at least hike comfortably in the redwings.
They’re great and comfy boots with a nice bit of added stability!
Thanks for the great review. Now I have to decide on the Fastback or SG10 or 12.
The Fastback and 12 both come with an Adv sole overseas but not in the states. Think I'll save some $ and go with the Fastbacks. Thanks again
I just upgraded to the enduro soled SG12s myself, after trying the new Sidi X-Powers and finding them stifling. The SG12s are better finished overall, especially interior padding.
@@cblais19 Do you feel that the extra money was well spent on the SG12s? It's such a tough decision when I'm unable to try on and compare the 2nd boots. Plus I'm probably looking to purchase from Europe so that just adds to the problem (size/fit wise)
Thank again
@@mikes4352 I found the SG12s on sale for like $390 shipped, and I knew my Gaerne size well. For $85 more then the Fastbacks, well worth it. If it’s more like $200 more, less clear.
@@cblais19 Oh wow great score, good for you. Thanks for all the info. I'm still on the fence, lol.
Looking forward to the next video. I enjoy your honest reviews.
Many riders remove the metal toe cap as they are slippery on the pavement when putting a foot down at a stop.
Very nice comparison, thank you!
Superb review - helped me settle what would fit my use-case better. Many thanks Chris!
One question, though. Is the insole on the Fastback removable/replaceable?
Yup, stitched on sole. You can buy replacements (including the enduro sole) from any Gaerne retailer.
@@cblais19 Thanks for sharing! I should have been clearer, with the insole I intended the sole on the inside that is in direct contact with the foot, my bad.
Luckily, Gaerne was also quick to reply and they confirmed that the insole is replaceable. While we are at it, they also confirmed that the Fastback is CE EN 13634:2017 certified.
Chris, thanks again for putting effort into doing these reviews and engaging with your viewers!
@@tanelrebane oh yeah, misread your post. The Fastback is level 2 in all areas of the CE test as well
Good comparison, thank you.
Are there any differences in fit? You mention the foam padding on the Fastback, I reckon there isn't any on the Dakar. Also, the Fastback's sole appears to be slightly longer.
A good question! The Fastback does have a bit roomier of a fit, I forgot to show that - those plastic reinforcements result in a couple mm higher toe box and there’s also a bit more room in the heel.
The Dakar does have internal padding, but not as much because of that Goretex membrane, plus you don’t have to worry about padding hard plastic!
Thanks for the review, Chris. How are they when touring. As the rider I’m I will be more on then off road. But when off road i want the protection. Thanks
Pretty good! Very comfortable, you do need to adjust your shift lever and the shift/brake feel can be a bit to get used too. Otherwise no issues
Good comparison video!... Fastbacks ordered. I don't understand that concept of light off-road soft adventure boots. The bike is still heavy, speed is speed, rocks and stones remain the same no?
I think boots like the Dakar / Sidi Adventures / etc are great if you’re mainly sport touring on your adv like a lot of people are, with an occasional gravel road. MX boots are really limiting on gear choices and the like due to the height and bulk.
I’m probably served well by a Dakar with my riding, except that I do a lot of 2up and the rigidity and support of the MX boot is nice with all that extra weight up too.
Chris, great reviews. Is there a difference in fit between these two Gaerne off-road boots? I am particularly interested if one fits longer than another or if the two sizes are exactly the same interior length? Thanks
The Fastback has a little more room all around. The toe box on it is wider and a tad bit longer thanks to the plastic having more structure.
Hey, those look really cool.....where did you buy them???????
I hear there’s a good vendor called Atomic - Moto, I think I got them there 🤔
Great video!! I have limited option available here in India, my two choices are Fastback enduro or leatt 5.5. Which one of these two would you recommend more?
Hi there, I don’t have any experience with the Leatt - I do love the Fastbacks though!
Great review. How would you rate riding the Fastback vs the Dakar for really long rides? Say 8-10 hours long. But in high temperatures like mid 90s to mid 100s? A combination of asphalt and undone roads and trails. Planning a ride across the Himalayas in India. Thanks in advance.
Both are pretty warm at those temps, but honestly any boot is going to be. I do find the Fastback a tiny bit warmer, but that might be due to the need to have the pants inside.
Have you done your India ride yet and what boots did you get. I'm deciding on boots for a ride across the Himalayas in September 22.
The Fastback is considered an "offroad" boot , not protective enough to ride motocross or hard enduro. The Gaerne motocross boots start at SG 10 then 12 then 22
Fastback are great boots.
Wearing MX boots on the street is the equiv to wearning a full leather race suit to ride to the grocery store. Even "adventure" riding isn't comparable to MX/SX. What a MX boot must endure on every ride is significantly different than riding a 1250GS down a jeep road. I started on MX 25 years ago and still remember what it is like trying to walk around in MX boots.
Great review! Could you please comment on how loud the Fastback's are? I have a pair of SG12's and they are absolute squeak monsters. Very annoying when walking around. You mentioned that the Dakar's make "little noise," but I don't think you commented on noise with the Fastbacks.
My experience with both of these is that the hinge is pretty quiet. With the Fastback, as it’s broken in with wear i get some squeak from the plastic bracing rubbing on the leather - but nowhere near as bad as the terrible rubber on plastic noise I got from a set of Crossfire 3s I had before.
@@cblais19 Thanks for the reply. I commute daily, so I need boots that are (pretty much) silent in order to be appropriate at work. My SMX-6 V2's fit that bill, but I'm on the lookout for something that's a little beefier. The Fastback Enduros also come in brown, which is nice. But, as I said, they can't make noise. And not just "they're not as bad as X." So, I guess my search continues. Thanks again for the review and the response-- very helpful!
@@jimrogers2795 Hi Jim, did you ever find a boot that doesn't make noise? I also plan to commute so I'm interested.
@@Mr-E. No, I haven't found anything, but I haven't looked all that hard either. It's not an easy topic to search as it's relatively rare for boot reviews to even mention sound let alone provide some sort of "noise scale" that would allow useful comparison.
I'm not new to riding but new to getting proper boots. I cant imagine how I can ever get used to the rigidity of the mx boot
Good MX boots move well with you. You'll notice the rigidity when walking around a parking lot but that's about it.
Oh, and when you're standing for a long time on the pegs you'll notice how much easier it is and more planted you are.
Thanks for sharing! Helps a lot
I'm a rider who likes to walk around and take photos, 60% riding and 40% walking
Live in places where summer temperatures can reach up to 100 degrees Fahrenheit
May I ask which boots do you recommend more?
I would recommend you move!
Kidding, that's not far off from where I am. If you're also somewhere that has a lot of mud/rain, I would recommend finding a non-waterproof boot. Those take forever to dry if water gets in the top. Otherwise, teh Dakar is like a heavy duty hiking boot with a hinge - super comfy to walk around in.
@@cblais19 Hahahaha, moving sounds like a good idea
Thank you for your reply! Sorry, there are a few places I want to ask
Why do you recommend non-waterproof boots in a place where it rains a lot? I don't understand this
@@tribes21 if you cover waterproof boots with a waterproof pant, theyre fine. If you wear pants in the boot, or otherwise get water in there, they never dry out in humid/wet conditions.
I wear a 44 European in forma adventure. I like the wider fit but a little more wide could be nice. Would these be good in 44?
Is the Dakar good enough for gravel roads and som slightly rough dirt roads? 90-95% street rider here😅
I think teh Forma Adventures might run wider then the Dakars. IF you're almost entirely street, the Dakars would be a fantastic all weather option.
So what’s your opinion on which one you’d pick for trail riding/dual sport riding? Also considering the gx-1
Absolutely the Fastback. If your budget stretches to it you get an external hinge with the Fastback vs GX1 which makes shifting / walking a lot better.
@@cblais19 Great. Thanks for the input!
Hi Chris - For long touring on highways with approx 15% Offroading, which one do you suggest? I was more inclined towards Dakar, until I started reading more about Fastback enduro. Perhaps lack of goretex is one negative for Fastback. But how comfortable are they to walk around during touring?
Fastbacks are unexpectedly comfortable to walk around in, with the caveat that you do have quite large boots clamped to your legs. I found them significantly nicer then something like a Crossfire, and much less squeaky.
If you're doing nothing more than some light gravel roads and mainly on-road touring in all weather, I can see the Dakar being your preference though. It feels more like a nice pair of hiking boots with additional ankle support and has that nice Goretex security as you note. I did find the extra bracing of the Fastback really nice on my Africa Twin when riding two up, gave a lot more security at stops with a tall bike and extra weight - but that might not be a concern fr you!
@@cblais19 Thanks Chris. Really appreciate you responding to my query. Was also reading through the advrider blogs, one concern was lack of toe safety in Dakar along with other lack of protection. I was earlier quite convinced with Dakar, but while comparing it to the Fastback, Dakar looks not so safe. I ride a Royal Enfield Interceptor 650, which is quite heavy too. So offroading capabilities are also limited... but for the interceptor 650, not sure Fastback would be very comfortable/suitable in the long run given its structure and lack of goretex. Your thoughts/insights, please?
@@dudefromcbee I think you’d find a MX boot like the Fastback a chore to work the controls on a INT650 with. A Dakar has a nice low toebox, or even a nice sport touring boot would be my preference.
@@cblais19 Agreed! Fastback in general is quite protective, but on a INT650, will be more of an inconvenience then. Dakar then would be better suited. In comparison to Dakar, any other brands/models that would suggest for me? I was initially thinking between TCX BAJA, Falco Avatour and Forma adventure and eventually landed up with Dakar. Apparently Dakar here in India is twice the cost of TCX baja, because of an offer I have. But not a close match.
@@dudefromcbee Lots of good stuff out there, I just don't have the personal experience with those other models besides the adventure. The Adventure is a touring boot with extra height and rugged looks, and that's about it.
I'm torn between these two for upcoming TAT/TCAT trips. Full days riding gravel with the occasional singletrack, but also probably occasionally walking around towns. Any insight 2 years later? Would you still lean towards the Fastbacks? Thanks
Also, thank you for this niche and in-depth review
For that level of off pavement and actual single track, I'd think that a real MX boot would be 100% worth it. I lean towards the Sidi X Powers these days, but the fastback remains excellent (and slightly nicer hinge IMO).
the Fastback...Does it come Without the Neon Lime Colour?...i Like Protection/'SAFETY'.!!...Would Rider's Ridicule Me for An 'OVERKILL Boot'..While 'riding My '76 GL 1000( Naked GoldWing )??.. Cheers From Canada!
Yes, you can get it in a host of colors including basic black - or with the “Enduro” model a nice brown.
Perhaps a bit overkill, but you do you!
@@cblais19 ..yep... less 'flash'...the 'better'!..... i'm not a 'look at me'..kind of a rider! thanks for Quick Reply/Opinion!...Cheers!
So basically a real MX boot is going be heavier and probably not water proof, which you are accepting in return for more protection.
I have a plate and screws in my ankle and a $57,000 surgery bill thanks to "adventure" boots
Not the first person I've heard that from!
I don't think you know what the word torsion means
So ... your sound isn't sync'd with the video so ... you need to watch that so ... it will be better so ... actually we can enjoy it better so ... you'll get more hits so ... actually you can get more money so... actually the world will be happier ... actually.
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Yeah, I’ve had to learn how to sync a separate source, but also I’m just doing these vids to help people - I’m not monetized or paid
@@cblais19 That is soooooo nice.
I am trying to help people too, but I hate being so passive aggressive about it.
Seriously though, thanks for the info.
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