I couldn’t agree more that I much rather/enjoy dry fly or dry dropper (or indicator) fishing more than Euro nymphing. I still euro at times, but for whatever reason a dry fly or an indicator disappearing under the water and then setting the hook is much more enjoyable to me than feeling something on the euro rod and wondering if it is a fish or rock.
I was lucky to have a great teacher introducing me to Euro nymphing. This clip will be an excellent, clear, no BS, introduction for many upcoming fishers.
I love Euro style. I love how technical and "Nerdy" it can get and is the method i use 90% of yhe time. But!!!!! Theres not many things more fun than watching a trout dunk an indicator or Dry-dropper. It Reminds me alot of being a kid and fishing Bluegills with a worm and bobber.
Thanks For the topic Spencer. I have been watching the Master Class videos and started watching your POD casts a few weeks ago. All great stuff! I am new to flying fishing and in Northern CA. I have been going to the Truckee River the last couple of Saturdays with a guide to perfect my technique. Like you guys say in the master cIass we cant just watch videos to learn we got to get out on the water!! I got to try Euro nymphing a few weeks ago as well as nymphing with an indicator. I was able to catch a 12-15" trout on both methods and both on the swing. I am looking forward to the later season where I can do some dry fly fishing here. There just is not a lot of activity on top of the water right now. Anyway I loved hearing your perspective as always.....
Excellent discussion of Euro v. Indi! I like fly casting. It's fun and rewarding as you improve. Some waters are conducive to Euro, some are not as much. I am going tight line nymphing with a friend who is good at it next week. I like having different fishing experiences and arrows in the proverbial quiver. Fishing from a drift boat on the Lower Sac, indicator nymphing (I highly recommend Jaydicators from Truckee) is the ticket. But on smaller pocket water in the mountains here, tight lining is a great way to go. But the "casting" (flipping?) isn't much fun. My favorite way to fish is to dry dropper or trout spey. And thanks for kudos to Joe at Red's Fly Shop. His trout spey videos are a master class! If I could dry fly fish with anyone, I'd choose Spencer. If I could trout spey and/or Euro with anyone, I'd choose Joe. Great show today!
there's no doubt in my mind after 22 years of guiding in co that the stick on floaty indicators are the most effective and easiest to use. you can perfectly adjust how much float you need by adding one or nipping one in half. if you sponge them out every few casts and give them a little shake n bake they last all day. i haven't fished yarn or hardly anything else since the early 90s.
That's interesting. I've never really liked using those ones. I always fall back on my Airlock indicators, because they stay in place better than Thingamabobbers
Before I could afford fly fishing equipment, I technically "euronymphed" with my spinnung line. Tied on a yellow Humpy, put a split shot about 10 inches above the fly, and fished it dead drift. I caught a lot of fish. Finally got a fly rod, line, etc. and now fish a bit differntly but fondly remember my early days.
I am not convinced of Euro nymph nor Tenkara methods for that instance, and those that master such things I bow my hat to you, but for me, I do not fix what is not broken as I can do surprisingly well via a traditional wet fly method fished here in the UK. To be honest, all the techniques somewhat merge along the way as I often use my rod like you would with Tenkara and of course Euro nymph methods. I agree presentation is the key part, as at the depths of 3ft or more the colours are subdued, and I think it is more of a silhouette to the fish. Regards to the team.
I'm in a similar boat. I've done tenkara, and I've obviously Euro nymphed, but at the end of the day, I enjoy a traditional fly rod with a dry fly and a dropper. That's where it's at for me. Thanks for the comment, John!
If you see rising feeding it's dries or wets or both.. Only time I bother trying euro is fast knee deep pocket water streams with some deeper pools.. I would never recommend euro or even with a float where it's weed beds better off swinging wets and floats with a standard flyrod is fine for slow water with weed beds. obviously you have to learn how to fish a float and the advantage is always an adjustable slide float adjust a float as required
Hi Spencer - I really enjoyed your discussion on Euro vs Indicator nymphing. I've done both and have had success with both methods. What are your thoughts on drop shot nymphing? ie. Kelly Gallop.
Euro all day. Bobbers suck. I prefer to play the game (Rock, Stick, or Fish) when drifting my bugs. I never went using an indicator, went straight to Euro style unless I am fishing a hopper dropper rig, then I'll use the hopper as my indicator. Euro nymphing will always put more fish in the basket overall any day of the week.
Euro is definitely more effective, and I agree, I'm not a fan of staring at a bobber, either. I'd always rather fish a dry fly though, haha. It's so interesting to me how we can all love fly fishing, but enjoy it differently from each other.
Spencer, thank you for posting this video. This past Monday, 6/10/24, I won a raffle at my local fly fishing club, and it was a $500 10' 3 wt. euro-nymphing rod, reel, line and leader setup. This video answers that I had. Diet Coke and regular Buffalo Wings forever Bro! Keep this $h!t coming.
Ive been kicking around the idea of doing a video on my own channel on all the myths of euro nymphing...there arw a TON of misconceptions and downright falsehoods being taught as the holy scripture of God on this subject. You've talked about some of them here. 😊❤ also by the time you've read this, Alex should have told you that diet coke is gross...if he hasn't, tell him he has to skip his next birthday 😂
I am little disappointed about the coverage here. Although he mentioned the key points, he gave outliers as examples to support his points (e.g. you can drift an indicator 100ft out of a boat.) He also presented some setbacks as deal breakers: If you are trout fishing, 90% of the cases, you can get by with a 10ft 3wt rod. Similarly, you can euro-nymph with a 9ft 4wt rod. So, you do not need an extra rod to do other methods. Just put your euro-rig on top of your regular leader and when you are finished, take it out in 2 minutes. Casting a mono leader is not that hard, you can master it in a day. Euro-rig does NOT get you more fish. It gets you more fish in certain situations. This is like saying dry flies will always get you more fish. Yes, if the fish are rising, it is very hard to convince them to eat a nymph, and dry flies will outperform any other method during that time. But good luck getting a bite if nothing is rising. Similarly, euro-nymphing works wonders in close proximity, in small pockets, upstream. But let say you are wading in the morning downstream (let's say to the south), there is a pocket down right of you 20ft away diagonally (southwest) How are you going to euro-nymph it without moving closer (or at least to the level of you) and casting your shadow on it? Also, let say you are working a creek 30ft wide. Its surface is not much chopped with rocks and the current is fast enough not the cross the 4-5ft deep middle. Are you going to leave the fish at the far side seam on the table? Let say you have another hour of fishing left, you come across this beautiful stretch where you can swing a nymph with a sink tip or a versileader (or drift long distances your indicator,) and cover quarter of a mile. Are you going to park and work 50ft stretch and call it effective? Examples can be multiplied. Euro-nymphing is a very good tool in the toolbox but it is not more than that.
Is it an issue on every episode? And have you had that problem with multiple pairs of headphones? I edit the show wearing headphones and don't hear any static, so I'm curious to figure out the issue and get the quality improved ASAP. I appreciate you watching the show!
@SpencerDurrant I have heard it on nearly every episode, I have also had it happen on other podcasts where they clip the audio together to get rid out the dead air. Will have to try a different pair of headphones and see if that'll help because I don't intend to quit listening lol. Was just curious if anybody else heard what I was hearing.
@SpencerDurrant not really noticeable on RUclips but for the audio only version it was noticeable and could even hear it cut in and out over a cnc machine lol came to the RUclips to leave a comment about it though because I hate Google podcasts
@@austinhall485 Hm. that's really interesting. I don't clip the audio together, but I do a few other things to get rid of background noise/hum, so that's likely what's coming through. I edit the show on a pretty nice pair of headphones and I don't hear it, though, which makes me wonder if it's a Google Podcasts issue? I'll dig into it some more and see what I can do to tweak it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and for listening to the show!
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I couldn’t agree more that I much rather/enjoy dry fly or dry dropper (or indicator) fishing more than Euro nymphing. I still euro at times, but for whatever reason a dry fly or an indicator disappearing under the water and then setting the hook is much more enjoyable to me than feeling something on the euro rod and wondering if it is a fish or rock.
I feel the same way!
Agreed. I like esn, but have moved more to indicator or dry dropper just because i find euro nymphing more mentally taxing to pay attention to all day
I was lucky to have a great teacher introducing me to Euro nymphing.
This clip will be an excellent, clear, no BS, introduction for many upcoming fishers.
I love Euro style. I love how technical and "Nerdy" it can get and is the method i use 90% of yhe time.
But!!!!! Theres not many things more fun than watching a trout dunk an indicator or Dry-dropper. It Reminds me alot of being a kid and fishing Bluegills with a worm and bobber.
it's definitely a great tactic if you enjoy getting nerdy on stuff, haha. Glad you enjoy it!
Thanks For the topic Spencer. I have been watching the Master Class videos and started watching your POD casts a few weeks ago. All great stuff! I am new to flying fishing and in Northern CA. I have been going to the Truckee River the last couple of Saturdays with a guide to perfect my technique. Like you guys say in the master cIass we cant just watch videos to learn we got to get out on the water!! I got to try Euro nymphing a few weeks ago as well as nymphing with an indicator. I was able to catch a 12-15" trout on both methods and both on the swing. I am looking forward to the later season where I can do some dry fly fishing here. There just is not a lot of activity on top of the water right now. Anyway I loved hearing your perspective as always.....
Excellent discussion of Euro v. Indi! I like fly casting. It's fun and rewarding as you improve. Some waters are conducive to Euro, some are not as much. I am going tight line nymphing with a friend who is good at it next week. I like having different fishing experiences and arrows in the proverbial quiver. Fishing from a drift boat on the Lower Sac, indicator nymphing (I highly recommend Jaydicators from Truckee) is the ticket. But on smaller pocket water in the mountains here, tight lining is a great way to go. But the "casting" (flipping?) isn't much fun. My favorite way to fish is to dry dropper or trout spey. And thanks for kudos to Joe at Red's Fly Shop. His trout spey videos are a master class! If I could dry fly fish with anyone, I'd choose Spencer. If I could trout spey and/or Euro with anyone, I'd choose Joe. Great show today!
Thanks, Dave! I appreciate it. Yeah, Joe is great. I learned a ton about trout spey from him.
there's no doubt in my mind after 22 years of guiding in co that the stick on floaty indicators are the most effective and easiest to use. you can perfectly adjust how much float you need by adding one or nipping one in half. if you sponge them out every few casts and give them a little shake n bake they last all day. i haven't fished yarn or hardly anything else since the early 90s.
That's interesting. I've never really liked using those ones. I always fall back on my Airlock indicators, because they stay in place better than Thingamabobbers
Before I could afford fly fishing equipment, I technically "euronymphed" with my spinnung line. Tied on a yellow Humpy, put a split shot about 10 inches above the fly, and fished it dead drift. I caught a lot of fish. Finally got a fly rod, line, etc. and now fish a bit differntly but fondly remember my early days.
I am not convinced of Euro nymph nor Tenkara methods for that instance, and those that master such things I bow my hat to you, but for me, I do not fix what is not broken as I can do surprisingly well via a traditional wet fly method fished here in the UK. To be honest, all the techniques somewhat merge along the way as I often use my rod like you would with Tenkara and of course Euro nymph methods. I agree presentation is the key part, as at the depths of 3ft or more the colours are subdued, and I think it is more of a silhouette to the fish. Regards to the team.
I'm in a similar boat. I've done tenkara, and I've obviously Euro nymphed, but at the end of the day, I enjoy a traditional fly rod with a dry fly and a dropper. That's where it's at for me. Thanks for the comment, John!
If you see rising feeding it's dries or wets or both.. Only time I bother trying euro is fast knee deep pocket water streams with some deeper pools.. I would never recommend euro or even with a float where it's weed beds better off swinging wets and floats with a standard flyrod is fine for slow water with weed beds. obviously you have to learn how to fish a float and the advantage is always an adjustable slide float adjust a float as required
Hi Spencer - I really enjoyed your discussion on Euro vs Indicator nymphing. I've done both and have had success with both methods. What are your thoughts on drop shot nymphing? ie. Kelly Gallop.
Euro all day. Bobbers suck. I prefer to play the game (Rock, Stick, or Fish) when drifting my bugs. I never went using an indicator, went straight to Euro style unless I am fishing a hopper dropper rig, then I'll use the hopper as my indicator. Euro nymphing will always put more fish in the basket overall any day of the week.
Euro is definitely more effective, and I agree, I'm not a fan of staring at a bobber, either. I'd always rather fish a dry fly though, haha. It's so interesting to me how we can all love fly fishing, but enjoy it differently from each other.
Yes, it is definetly the most effective method, but for some, the amount of fish doesn't really matter.
Interesting. Still, I was hoping to see a vido of the Euro rig in action. It is hard to picture. Thanks for the explanation.
Good stuff as always!
Spencer, thank you for posting this video. This past Monday, 6/10/24, I won a raffle at my local fly fishing club, and it was a $500 10' 3 wt. euro-nymphing rod, reel, line and leader setup. This video answers that I had. Diet Coke and regular Buffalo Wings forever Bro! Keep this $h!t coming.
Awesome! Stoked that you won the raffle, and thanks for watching!
Euro nymphing seems like fun… but I feel like it would cut into my dry fly time too much😂
17:28 Skafars neon sighter wax works well in this situation. Wipe on..wipe off.
That's a good suggestion! Thanks for sharing.
35:19 Go barbless and/or try using a Ketchum release tool (or similar)
The ketchum is my go to for small flies
Ive been kicking around the idea of doing a video on my own channel on all the myths of euro nymphing...there arw a TON of misconceptions and downright falsehoods being taught as the holy scripture of God on this subject. You've talked about some of them here. 😊❤ also by the time you've read this, Alex should have told you that diet coke is gross...if he hasn't, tell him he has to skip his next birthday 😂
I like dry and small streamers better.
I am little disappointed about the coverage here. Although he mentioned the key points, he gave outliers as examples to support his points (e.g. you can drift an indicator 100ft out of a boat.)
He also presented some setbacks as deal breakers:
If you are trout fishing, 90% of the cases, you can get by with a 10ft 3wt rod. Similarly, you can euro-nymph with a 9ft 4wt rod. So, you do not need an extra rod to do other methods. Just put your euro-rig on top of your regular leader and when you are finished, take it out in 2 minutes.
Casting a mono leader is not that hard, you can master it in a day.
Euro-rig does NOT get you more fish. It gets you more fish in certain situations. This is like saying dry flies will always get you more fish. Yes, if the fish are rising, it is very hard to convince them to eat a nymph, and dry flies will outperform any other method during that time. But good luck getting a bite if nothing is rising.
Similarly, euro-nymphing works wonders in close proximity, in small pockets, upstream. But let say you are wading in the morning downstream (let's say to the south), there is a pocket down right of you 20ft away diagonally (southwest) How are you going to euro-nymph it without moving closer (or at least to the level of you) and casting your shadow on it?
Also, let say you are working a creek 30ft wide. Its surface is not much chopped with rocks and the current is fast enough not the cross the 4-5ft deep middle. Are you going to leave the fish at the far side seam on the table?
Let say you have another hour of fishing left, you come across this beautiful stretch where you can swing a nymph with a sink tip or a versileader (or drift long distances your indicator,) and cover quarter of a mile. Are you going to park and work 50ft stretch and call it effective?
Examples can be multiplied. Euro-nymphing is a very good tool in the toolbox but it is not more than that.
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Love the show but anybody else get bothered by the way the static comes in and out whenever spencer talks? Almost unlistenable through headphones lol
Spencer sounds great. He's static free. Think he uses ''Bounce (rig) sheets''😂.
Is it an issue on every episode? And have you had that problem with multiple pairs of headphones? I edit the show wearing headphones and don't hear any static, so I'm curious to figure out the issue and get the quality improved ASAP. I appreciate you watching the show!
@SpencerDurrant I have heard it on nearly every episode, I have also had it happen on other podcasts where they clip the audio together to get rid out the dead air. Will have to try a different pair of headphones and see if that'll help because I don't intend to quit listening lol. Was just curious if anybody else heard what I was hearing.
@SpencerDurrant not really noticeable on RUclips but for the audio only version it was noticeable and could even hear it cut in and out over a cnc machine lol came to the RUclips to leave a comment about it though because I hate Google podcasts
@@austinhall485 Hm. that's really interesting. I don't clip the audio together, but I do a few other things to get rid of background noise/hum, so that's likely what's coming through. I edit the show on a pretty nice pair of headphones and I don't hear it, though, which makes me wonder if it's a Google Podcasts issue? I'll dig into it some more and see what I can do to tweak it. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, and for listening to the show!
Nothing new...same as tenkara...just sayin