Did Israel Schwartz See The Face Of Jack The Ripper?
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- Опубликовано: 23 окт 2021
- On the morning of Sunday September 30th, 1888, Israel Schwartz, a Hungarian residing in Whitechapel, was walking along Berner Street, when he noticed a man walking ahead of him.
The man stopped to talk to a woman who was standing in the gateway of Dutfield's Yard, some way down on the right side of Berner Street.
As Schwartz looked on, the man tried to pull the woman into the street. She resisted, whereupon the man spun her round, threw her onto the ground and began to attack her.
Schwartz thought he was seeing a domestic argument between and man and wife, and so he crossed to the other side of the street to avoid becoming involved. As he did so, he saw a man on the opposite stride lighting his pipe.
At this point, the man who was attacking the woman shouted "Lipski" to the other man, who then appeared to follow Schwartz. Fearing that he might be in danger, Schwartz broke into a run, but when the man ceased to follow him, he relaxed his pace and headed home.
Fifteen minutes later - at 1 a.m. - Louis Diemschutz found the body of Elizabeth Stride in Dutfield's Yard.
It is thus possible that Israel Schwartz saw the early stages of the murder of Elizabeth Stride, and, if she was a victim of Jack the Ripper, then he may well have seen the face of Jack the Ripper.
This video we assesses the viability of Schwartz as a witness, an uses official reports, compiled at the time, to ascertain whether the police took him seriously as a witness.
They all had Moustaches back then didn't they ? Even the Men....
💈✂️🧔 I have a sudden urge to watch "Sweeney Todd" again.
This made me crack up.
And various headwear.
Any detail however small was important to get the right one
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It's hard to know what to make of the Schwartz story, but two thoughts. One is that serial killers almost always work alone, and if the two men Schwartz encountered were together, I don't think he saw Jack the Ripper. More importantly, I believe the Ripper was much too clever and cautious to be involved in any public confrontation with a potential victim which would attract the attention of witnesses like that, so I think this is all a red herring.
You’re quite right that serial killers most often work alone, but I’d just like to point out that it’s far from unheard of that they do work in pairs. Kenneth Bianchi And Angelo Buono Jr, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, Lawrence Bittaker And Roy Norris, Delfina And Maria De Jesus Gonzalez, Suzan and James Carson, Charlene and Gerald Gallego, Leonard Lake And Charles Ng, Steven Dean Gordon And Franc Cano, Jasmine Richardson and Jeremy Steinke, John Duffy And David Mulcahy, Wolfgang Abel And Marco Furlan, Judith and Alvin Neelley, David Alan Gore And Fred Waterfield, Loren Herzog And Wesley Shermantine, Raymond Fernandez and Martha Beck just to mention a few.
Maybe she owed money
Valid point - Ripper unlikely to create a scene beforehand thus drawing attention to himself.
Mate he enjoyed butchering women till he was covered in their shit, I don't think rational thought was his mindset
I disagree, he often took chances!
"...had the appearance of being in the theatrical line." Is that Victorian code for "He's as camp as a row of pink tents"?
Lol. Spot on.
Hahaha 😂
He was well known for playing tennis with pirates......
There’s so many twists & turns in the JTR case, it’s forever fascinating. You tell the story so well & have your audience sitting on the edge of their seats. I really look forward to your next video.
Thank you, Joanna.
It’s George Chapman
Imho this is the best JTR channel. No sensational far fetched theories, very solid knowledge of the facts, not too much steering of the viewer and even for a Ripper enthousiast always something new in every video. Keep up the excellent work sir!
Thank you, Lucas. That is so kind of you.
Jeez , nitric acid down the throat? , that's as demonic as anything Jack did .
You would have to be very seriously twisted in order to think of doing that to someone unless the stuff was immediately available in a situation where the other person was trying to kill you. I've worked with nitric acid (yecch!). It isn't fun to be in the same room with it.
Here’s an idea, just a theory, no proof: what if Elizabeth Stride was accosted first by a couple of hoodlums who either wished to rape her or were there to rob her or to get her to pay them back for a debt she owed. It sounds to me very much as though the man lighting the pipe was either an accomplice or may even have been the employer of the thug who was attacking Stride because he was either standing guard or placidly watching the event without taking action. I think the thug who pushed Stride into the alleyway noticed Schwartz and yelled “Lipski” in order to scare him away, and the other man (with the pipe) made a convincing pounce in Schwartz’s direction. After Schwartz ran away, who knows what happened next? Maybe one of them was the killer, or maybe the killer had observed this little melodrama from a safe distance and went in the alley right after the men broke off in different directions, fearing that Schwartz might alert a policeman to what they were doing. He started his work but was soon interrupted by Louis Diemschutz’ horse approaching, and he abandoned Stride’s body and ran off in the direction of the original city of London, where Catherine Eddowes was later found.
Excellent points and theory, Brian.
I actually agree with this and do think that this was an isolated incident. Correct me if I am wrong but there was quite a gap between this event and the finding of her body? Almost an hour I believe? Considering JTR was also believed to have been disturbed half way through his killing than that could mean a gap of 30 to 45 mins even from this disturbance and her murder. Plenty of time for JTR to arrive on the scene later on. Also, this wouldn't be consistent with JTR either. Why would he be so public and so out in the open? Too much attention in my view. Could be wrong.
What if the man seen by Schwartz had come across Stride during an attack made by another man hidden out of site in the gateway. That the man seen by Schwartz wasn't attacking Stride, but trying to aid her. The shout of "Lipski", not aimed at a misunderstanding Schwartz as an insult, but one of alarm of an attacker. Maybe Schwartz, the man lighting his clay pipe and the man seen to grab Stride all ran at the same time?
Also the witness who recognized the Ripper not named by Anderson wasn't Schwartz, but Lawende, prior to the Eddowes murder later the same night?
@@madeinmanc the witness who recognized the ripper who was not named by anderson wasn't Schwartz but lawende".if he wasn't named by anderson how do you know lawende? Another thing,the full description lawende gave was actually suppressed by city solicitor Henry Crawford at the eddowes inquest. Nobody in the public ever heard the description.
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Thank you, James.
Though I've heard of Jack murders for many years, I've gotten such an interest in these stories lately. I'm glued to these videos as I find the facts so interesting.
You're definitely my favourite Ripper researcher. Great voice for telling stories too. Thanks for these videos, still fascinating. ❤️
Wow, thank you!
If the “ double event” letter was never written, would we still look at Liz Stride’s murder as the work of JTR?
After reading the Post-Mortem report I don't think Liz is The Ripper.
There wasn't the same strangulation marks on her neck, the knife wounds were also different.
She was the only 1 that was killed South of Whitechapel Road.
I would put money on Tabrum being Ripper over stride.
I have always had serious doubts about Elizabeth Stride being a ripper victim. I also think there are question marks over the killer of Mary Kelly. The other JTR murders were by a crazy misogynist, her murder was filled with personal hatred.
Couldn't agree with you more, Ian. I think the concept of the "canonical five" is very flawed.
@@ianpodmore9666 Indeed. The Kelly murder was most certainly very personal. To inflict such violence and mutilations takes strong intimacy (in lack of a better word) and a lust killer who had made a bizarre connection between murder and sexual gratification may just be such a personality.
One could easily imagine that the Whitechapel murderer was a lust murderer, and possibly that the previous murders had been “test runs” or substitutes, for the actual Ideal Victim Type (IVT) i.e. Mary Kelly, who the killer may have stalked for a long time, unlike the other victims who were randomly chosen due to their sheer accessibility.
Jack may have been a disorganized and organized serial killer in one and the same person.
If Joseph Barnett wasn’t Mary Kelly’s killer he most definitely posted a hinder for the Ripper. But only two weeks after Barnett moved out (though he visited Kelly almost daily) she was dead. If this little theory holds any water at all Mary Kelly’s killer was someone in Kelly’s close proximity, who likely had kept close track on her for quite a while. He may very well have been close to Barnett too.
George Hutchinson is a name that may be interesting in that aspect. Why did he follow Kelly, and why does his description of her client sound so ridiculously fabricated? Why didn’t he speak until after the inquest?
One thing I really would like to know is if it ever was established that the “women’s clothing” found burning in the fireplace really belonged to Mary Kelly? Lust murderers often engage in paraphernalia, such as dressing the body in particular clothes, makeup or even dye and cut their hair. Necrophilia and objectification is implied here. Is it possible that the clothes in the fireplace wasn’t burnt to add more light as the police believed, but as an attempt to get rid of evidence? There’s also the possibility that the killer wore the women’s clothes while killing and mutilating Kelly’s body. Perhaps he wanted to become her, to own her?
@@JackTheRipperTours Hi Richard do you think that Martha Tabrum was an experimental murder?
No, he didn’t. He also didn’t see the face of Liz Stride.
I think George Hutchinson absolutely saw the face of Jack the Ripper. I could be mistaken but i thought Anderson in his book was referring to Joseph Lawende.
Drat! I knew I shouldn’t watch this before bed, you’ve given me too much to think about! Thank you for a high quality, well researched and reasoned production.
Glad you enjoyed it, Belinda. Hope you got some sleep!
Same here !🤦🏽♀️
Mathew packer sold grapes to a man who was with Elizabeth stride and he stood talking to her for some time after.
I'm coming to Packer later, Leslie.
No grapes were found in her system at the autopsy
I question if Elizabeth Stride was a Ripper victim.
The best JTR documentaries. Lovely chanel. Completely enjoying Richard Jones' relaxing voice and storytelling. Absolute expert. Love from Argentina.
No way with limited street lighting in the dark streets of 1800s would anyone be able to give a perfect description of who they saw
Ty Richard for another great video.
Thanks for watching
Excellent, as usual. Thank you for these.
Glad you like them!
Excellent , as ever Richard thank you 😊
Glad you enjoyed it
It is funny the number of times the Ripper was nearly caught in the act of killing, and yet he continued playing on his luck. He killed Annie Chapman at about 5:30, when it was already daylight, and in a house where people were already up and leaving for work. Liz Stride was killed only yards away from a social club that was full of people at that hour; anyone could have suddenly come out and run into the killer. Cathy Eddowes was killed between the rounds of the policeman who patrolled the square every 15 minutes, and only steps away from the post of a night watchman at a store house. Only with Mary Kelly, of course, he could take his time, and that he did. It's incredible how lucky he was.
I love these! I enjoy anything associated with this era and your videos are so detailed with the old photos and walking reference shots, I watch them as soon as they pop up.
Glad you like them, Lizzie.
Another great video, Richard! Thank you for all your hard work!
My pleasure!
You do some amazing work..thank you ✌️
So nice of you
I am sure he did. But Mr. Swartz was afraid what would happend if it became known that the Ripper was jewish. Being a jew himself.
Bingo....Police felt the same way....
Absolutely
What a thorough examination on every aspect of this witnessing. Your work is historically as sound and commendable as tantalizing for a criminal investigation. Excellent!
Thank you, very kind of you.
Fantastic upload and very thought provoking on JTR. Thank you for the upload.
My pleasure!
I just love these videos. Great excitement when the notification pops up.
Glad you like them!
Superb videos, Richard, very informative and really enjoy them. Keep up the great work!
Thank you, Mark.
Richard, as always a perfect video! My favorite Ripperologist!
So were the crimes of Jack the Ripper possibly committed by more than one person ?
Anything is possible, Jackie.
I think one of these is a copycat.
Always interesting to learn of the more less known aspects of the case.
This is my thought, schwarz did indeed see Strides killer, it was he who disturbed him, in an instant two people have appeared, in a piece of genius in a split second the killer shifted blame with the shout of "lipski", constructing and opportunity to escape, un-finished. A second thought what if the man Schwartz saw was not drunk but infact suffering with an infliction, what would have been termed a cripple, hidden in plain sight proberbly scorned and shunned by women most of his life 🤔
In agreement with the following comment, I don't believe that a serial killer such as "Jack the Ripper" would attract attention to himself by assaulting a woman on an open street before witnesses and directly beside a fully occupied building with much activity going on within. This appears to be a spontaneously motivated attack, such as by an angry man on his sex mate. This much is implied by the alleged shout of "Lipski" by the attacker. The Lipski murder on the very next street over the previous year was a similar case of "connubial homicide". While though looking at Schwartz when he said it, he probably WASN'T addressing Schwartz as such (which wouldn't have made any sense) but was referring TO HIMSELF and WHAT he was about to do.
This psychoanalysis of the incident leads me to think the man was actually Stride's long-time mate Michael KIDNEY; who was alleged and even ADMITTED in his inquest testimony to have been JEALOUS of Stride prostrating herself to other men. Curiously enough, the Stride attack occurred the night of the "double event" murder with Catherine Eddowes in Mitre Square; and she was the one whose right KIDNEY was allegedly removed by the murderer! 🤔🤫
Thank you. Very interesting!
You are welcome!
Initial comment before watching the rest of the video (excellent vocal tone by the way)... I was thinking it would be a great idea if you could show the streets in a 'then and now' manner... and you did just that moments later! So far... great video!
Thank you, David.
@@JackTheRipperTours Have followed Jack for so, so many years; right from childhood. Reason... I LOVE history! Although this video was only a small aspect of Jack's history; it provided some information I never knew. Great job
Excellent detail
Thank you, Richard.
Always a delight to see a post on this channel! Perfect timing for my fix of JTR with a warming tea and my blanket 👌
I’ve always been so curious about what Israel Schwartz saw and so many unknowns about it. I can’t help feeling he may have been pretty close. Just out of interest is Leman Street police station still in existence? I’m guessing not as you are excellent at showing present day images.
Many thanks for this channel and your hard work on it, you have my full respect and gratitude.
Thank you, Omar. Leman Street Police Station, or at least the one from 1888, is no longer there. The building of the modern station is still there, but it doesn't look of the era.
@@JackTheRipperTours Great, many thanks for the additional info.
I don't think Schwartz saw the face of JTR, but he may well have seen the face of Liz Stride's killer.
Same killer, no?
@@MosheAlvarez Perhaps not.
@@MosheAlvarez Stride is 1 of the canonical five, but to say the least, she is one of the most debated JTR victims. The method and knife used seem to be different and the theory JTR was disturbed and couldn't finish his work is not cast in stone.
Excellent, thankyou.
You are welcome!
Sounds to me they buried his story..the question is why
Its weird,the "canonical five" has a lot of loop holes in it,still dont think Liz or MJK was a victim,and in the MJK people say he went full psyco cause he had time and was inside but i still dont think it was his,if anything i suspect Barnett more for that one than JTR ,problem today is theres so many theories and what ifs that we can make a case for a lot of individuals to be JTR .The more time passes the farther away we get to(if ever) solving who JTR was ,its hard enough with next to no clues but its even harder because of the numbers of suspects pushed in the spotlight all the time just to fit ones theory.
It is strange that the other man never camee forward. He must have seen the killer also
Good video-I was just thinking the reporter could of fabricated the story to make it more 'exciting'. It's crazy to think Schwartz may have seen the Ripper in those first few scary moments x
Well said!
@@JackTheRipperTours Thankyou. Love your content. It's so intriguing yet so sad. Xx
They have to go by the police reports and forget the press. For gods sake they fabricated the ''from hell'' letter to sell papers.
Another excellent video.
Elaborating further on the Kosminski video, we now get a first clue to who the witness hinted at by Anderson and Swanson could have been. I say could, because I'm more of the opinion the star witness who supposedly identified JTR was Joseph Lawende, who saw Eddowes talking with a man at church Passage shortly before getting murdered in Mitre square. In fact I'm not convinced Liz Stride was a Ripper victim at all.
Btw. Lawende, who was considered a reliable and credible witness, was kept away from the press and his description of the man he saw was even withheld at the Eddowes inquest (he only described his clothes), so Police did use all sorts of methods to avoid giving a clear description of the appearance of the possible killer to not compromise their investigation , and it is very possible if Schwartz testified at the Stride inquest it was in camera indeed.
Thank you Clay. Yes, indeed, Lawende is of great interest. I will be doing a video on him soon.
Good point about lawende,yes his description was withheld,but it begs the question why put him at the inquest in the first place if the city solicitor was going to suppress his description.yet on the same day the met published in their own newspaper the police gazette,a description of not one but three men.different men different heights.what a joke this investigation was.
Also Schwartz wasn't called to give evidence at all.if ur trying to suggest he did give his evidence in secret,I don't believe that happened either why would it,I mean his statement was already published over two weeks earlier on 1 oct.so why have Schwartz give evidence in secret if his testimony was already made public?
What accent did the murderer have when he shouted access the road at the witness.
He did, he saw "a fellow" jew.
Kosminski.
Not Aaron Kosminski, but Israel Kosminski.
Has anyone considered a shochet? Basically a Jewish butcher trained in specific ways to slaughter animals according to Kosher laws. The main thing that sticks out is the emphasis on shochets being trained to slice an animals neck as its a quicker death, and if I recall this was done to the victims?
Absolutely gripping- thanks so much for the video! At 16:31, with the suspect also apparently being a Jew, is it possible to also use the description Schwartz gave to whittle down the list of Jack The Rippers?
There's a fact about the Stride murder that doesn't get much attention: the knife used to murder Liz was found under some stairs close to her body.
The man who found it said he was surprised nobody saw it before him cause it was on plain sight in an illuminated area.
In the inquest the surgeon said that that was likely the knife used to kill her, it wasn't as sharp as the one used previously and had a round (not jagged) edge.
So then, someone else killed Liz Stride or the ripper used 2 knives during the double event.
It's a proven fact that most people suck on giving accurate descriptions from memory.
I am in two minds as to whether the witness referred to by Anderson was Schwarz or Lawende. There are factors that suggest (at least to my mind) that it could have been either. Then there is the further question as to whether Schwarz actually saw JTR at all...
Thanks very much or the vid Richard, interesting and engaging as always.
I am not sure if it has been done before or not , or if it something you would fund enjoyable to make, but I would certainly find a video that collates the various physical descriptions given by the numerous witnesses most interesting i.e. to see how they compare and contrast and the extent to which they may contain common information from which one could build a physical profile. Just an idea! Thanks again.
A very good idea!
Jack the Ripper was almost certainly Aaron Kosminsky. He lived smack bang in the centre of all the murders and was the prime suspect of the Met at the time, as disclosed in Frederick Abberline’s autobiography.
Thier was another suspect who lived a few streets away I think it was the American doctor tumblety
Or Charles Cross/Lechmere
@@adrianpilcher703 Was any of these certified insane?,....hated women and especially prostitutes?,...and was known to have threatened a woman at the time with a knife?
Did everyone forget about Charles Cross he lied to the police about his name 🤔 why would he do that l wonder.
@Leonard Vanorden He seems suspicious to me as well. After all, he was the first person to "come across" Polly Nicolls's body. What if he killed her, began ripping her, and then heard footsteps approaching? It was easy for him to quickly pretend he had just found her and to play the innocent passer by. The body was still warm when it was examined. And, indeed, give a false name to the police? He had something to hide.
Could Jack have 'been caught' for doing a 'crazy act', but not recognized as 'Jack the Ripper' and thrown onto a 'nut ward' like Ed Gein was?
Ed gein was suspected of a murder because of his purchase of a gallon of antifreeze at the scene of the crime a hardware store
Question if you had a time machine would you go back to find out who jack the ripper was, for me i would not simply because it's the not knowing that makes the case so fascinating to start with.
It’s not ‘idle speculation’. It’s examining written evidence & putting pieces together according to actual police accounts. What is speculation is who the man was that several police officials were sure was the murderer, & why was his name not revealed - & how revealing JTR’s identity would somehow cast aspersions on the police
Eyewitness testimony involving stranger upon stranger crimes is practically useless. Especially at night. Especially before bright electric street lamps, bars, shops etc.
Jacob Levy is the most likely JTR suspect and fits Schwartz's description
@Mrgoosebum I've never heard his name mentioned before. Please tell me more...
@@crose7412 I've never heard that name either. That's a new one on me! People will never find out, because they're going over and over the same old narratives.
@@crose7412
1. Jacob Levy
Jacob Levy was born in Aldgate in 1856. He followed in his father’s trade as a butcher, and by 1888 he was living in Middlesex Street with his wife and children, which was right in the heart of Ripper territory (and close to where Catherine Eddowes was murdered).
Jacob had a history of violence, criminal behaviour and mental instability. In 1886 he was sentenced to 12 months prison for stealing meat from another butcher (but was instead sent to an asylum in Stone to serve his time). It was during this time that his wife claimed that Jacob almost ruined her business and also added that “he also feels that if he is not restrained he will do some violence to someone; he complains about hearing strange noises; cries for no reason; feels compelled to do acts that his conscience cannot stand; and has a conscience of a feeling of exaltation”. She also revealed that “he does not sleep at nights and wanders around aimlessly for hours”.
In August 1890, Jacob was admitted to the City of London Lunatic asylum as an insane person. His cause of illness was listed as ‘mania’ (which was noted that he’d had for ‘some time’), perhaps a result of contracting syphilis, and he died 29 July 1891 from complications of the disease.
Jacob Levy is an interesting suspect for a number of reasons. First off, he knew the area well, having lived his whole life in the Aldgate/Whitechapel area.
Most of the doctors who examined the victims were of the opinion that the killer possessed at least some anatomical knowledge. Whoever Jack was, he worked fast, in often very poorly lit areas, and yet under these conditions he was able to remove parts of the victims’ internal organs, usually slicing the poor women from pelvis to breastbone and cutting their throats deeply (echoes of how a butcher might slaughter and gut a pig or a cow). Being a butcher, Levy possessed both anatomical knowledge and was skilled with a knife.
Also, city police were known to have strongly suspected a man who worked on the same street Levy worked. Inspector Robert Sagar reportedly said in his memoirs: “We had a good reason to suspect a man who worked in Butcher’s Row, Aldgate. We watched him carefully. There is no doubt that this man was insane, and after a time his friends thought it advisable to have him removed to a private asylum. After he was removed, there were no more Ripper atrocities”. Levy not only worked as a butcher in Aldgate, but was insane and eventually removed to an asylum.
Another report given by ex-Inspector Harry Cox shares similarities to both Sagar’s account and one of Levy’s strange personality traits. Inspector Cox was assigned to a suspect in “a certain street” and watched him “in his place of business” for nearly three months. Of particular interest, Inspector Cox gave a chilling account of one night when he shadowed the suspect on “one of his late night walks”. Apparently the suspect, who had “a wilder look than usual on his evil countenance” led the officer on a late-night trawl through the labyrinthine streets of Whitechapel, accosting numerous women, and generally acting strange and suspicious, before leading Cox back to his place of business.
According to Levy’s wife, Jacob would often take late night walks, walking aimlessly for hours. So while Levy may have been both Sagar’s and Cox’s suspect, it should be noted that the description of Cox’s suspect doesn’t tally with that of Levy, and so the likelihood of Levy being the man Cox tailed for three months is slim.
Jacob Levy was a convicted criminal who, by his wife’s own admissions, harboured feelings of violence. He was committed to an asylum suffering from mania, and died shortly thereafter from complications of syphilis. So not only was he mentally unbalanced.....
@@crose7412 He was a butcher from the area. Contracted syplis from one of the prost.
Mrgiosebum - seems like you revel in the fact that JTR may be Jewish.
I don’t think Liz was a ripper victim. I think what Schwarts saw was Liz being attacked by a man who wanted to buy her but she refused because she was waiting for Louis Diemschutz arrive to ask him for a Job. She could speak Yiddish and may well have found out a job was on the go. I also believe that Mrs. fanny Mortimer who lived next door and was woken by Diemschutz pony heard Liz pace up and down. She did say she heard a steady foot of a policeman. The cut on her neck was wrong and a different cut was on Eddowes in mitre square. The press put the two stories together to make a more sensational story.
I have always been deeply suspicious of the detailed description given by Isaac Schwartz. Late at night, a very ill lit area, and Isaac was probably tired after his long day, was hurrying back to see if his wife had finished the move, etc. And yet we are given an exact height, and a very detailed physical description.
If the second man really did light a pipe, then yes, that would throw *his* face into brightly flaring light for a moment, especially as he got a good draw going. But for Elizabeth’s attacker, we are told not just a “brown moustache “, but a “*light*” brown moustache. Possibly the very fair skin and full (plump?) face were a type of class consciousness, and Isaac was try to convey that the attacker didn’t look like a manual labourer. After all, neither of those things fit with what was thought of as a typical Jewish appearance at the time. But it’s still a very detailed description for a momentary sighting, especially as Isaac’s immediate instinct was to remove himself.
Have you watched Jack the ripper the definitive story. A copy of the streets and exactly what happened, even lighting up the streets how they looked. Israel gets a good look at him it's quite well lit. Plus he didn't say very fair complexion, he just meant fair complexion as in White.
Not to mention the coal smoke blanketing the area..
Israel Schwartz
Why did Sçwartź come forward if he had No intention of testifying ? .
JTR must likely have been a very 'Ordinary' looking bloke, so as not to arouse any suspicion in the 'Working women'..
This makes no sense.
@@johnrob3215 it makes perfect sense ,every serial killer does
Very interesting indeed!
Glad you think so!
@@JackTheRipperTours I do indeed! I'm looking forward to your next one :)
He saw Kozminski.
What do you think about Isaac Kozebrodski and Louise Diemschutz being the culprits as Schwartz did say he couldn’t testify against fellow Jewish-men?
Anything is possible, Stefan.
The closing music is from Shutterstock? That's pretty good really. I hardly find that to be the case. I think I know who it was, and it also explains why Schwartz might not want to give evidence. But as you say, there's no way to prove it now. Are you doing videos on the other "possible" victims? I have to go to your channel to check.
I find declaring Stride a JTR victim dubious. If Stride is a JTR victim then either JTR is 2 people or he chose to initiate a struggle/kill right next to a witness with another witness across the street. Schwartz described the pipe man as being close enough to the attacker to believe they were possibly together. In my opinion the most important part of the MO was strangulation, followed by the throat cut, mutilation, and location. The strangulation kept his victims from making an audible call for help and lowered the blood pressure which removed blood spray. Stride is the only victim where there's a report of an audible/visible struggle.
He had her by the throat but Stride broke away, falling to the ground, gasping for air, she made three barely audible screams...
Do any of the suspects we now consider match the description of the man described by Schwartz?
Jack the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski. Jews would not ID him because they didn’t want to be responsible for the death of a fellow Jew.
What proof do you have that says kosminski was the killer?
@@khaleelmohammed9924I don’t have proof, obviously no one does. Based on criminal profiling and all the information, Kosminski is the most logical killer. Despite Ripperologists making cases for other suspects…all roads always seem to lead back to Kosminski.
If he did see the face of Jack the Ripper
It would be nice to see it to.
Towards the end of the video I started wondering, why would the attacker that Schwartz saw with Elizabeth Stride call out "Lipski" if he was also Jewish? I don't think calling out racial slurs is a very common response when caught in the act of a viscous crime (in my opinion) 🤷
Criminals refer to one another with the N word where I come from...
The witness referred to in Anderson's memoirs may also be Joseph Lawende, who witnessed Catherine Eddowes' murder, although he didn't get as good a view as Schwartz did of Elizabeth Stride's killer. I've also heard that the man identified by the witness may have been that mysterious Kosminski fellow. Excellent videos, btw ! Keep up the great work !
Thanks, Oscar. Yes, Lawende is a strong contender also. I'll be looking at him in a later video.
Both murders occurred the same night. Eddowes’ body found about an hour later. Did the Ripper have an accomplice?
I used to think that the wtiness was Israel Schwartz, but I do think there might have been hesitation to contact him firstly because he didn´t speak english at all.
perhaps if he was in fact the witness, there would be more info on somebody else alongside him, who would be translating this, which Anderson didn´t give
Also, it doesn´t look like Israel Schwartz thought that the man he saw was jewish.
at least, he didn´t mention the possibility of the man attacking Stride being jewish, even though he gave quite a lot of info on him.
So, now, I am more inclined to think that it might have been Lawende instead.
Also, police used Lawende for other cases, which indicates they trusted him.
also, I tend to think that, even though Schwartz had more time to look at the killer, Lawende was probably closer to the killer and may have had a better look because of that(even though he seemed a bit distracted)
But I also think that Lawende and Schwartz were describing the same man, and therefore, JTR himself.
Despite the fact that there is a big discrepancy of info given about JTR, the info given by these two men is almost a perfect match.
@@andreviana1902 " .....And we know from both Swanson and Anderson that the Jewish witness who believed he had identified a suspect held in either an asylum or 'the seaside Home' as the Ripper,.... refused to 'swear to' or 'give evidence against' the man, in part because he was a fellow Jew. "
@@johnsainI think this is the one question mark with regard to Charles Allen Lechmere. In all other respects, Lechmere makes the most plausible suspect, but a composite of the witness reports from Israel Schwartz, Joseph Lawende, and George Hutchinson does seem to point more towards a Jewish perpetrator than it does a gentile. Unless the witness reports are all wrong or there is more than one perpetrator with near-identical MOs operating in the Whitechapel area at this time (which would be something of a statistical anomaly insofar as serial killers are concerned). I mean, Christer Holmgren almost has me convinced - except for this one thing.
Very interesting comments in the foot notes of the memoirs. I do believe the police knew who "Jack" was. They just couldn't prove it. Interesting to see the face on the walking stick gifted to Abberline. I wonder if this matched Schwartz description of the man in Berner Street.
Anyone find that ironic the man who might have seen Jack the Ripper has no surviving photos or drawings of his face a bit ironic
Yes, it's very frustrating!
I think the Blitz had something to do with that. So much evidence was lost! Also, photography was still very much in it's infancy. There is only one credible photo of the victims let alone any of the suspects.
Have to invest in a time machine .
Schwartz's description is worse than George Hutchinson (who said the man with Kelly had fair eyelashes lol). There is more to this case than meets the eye - read Jack the Ripper Secret Service - excellent book.
Did You realise that the illustration is the 5th victim,but Stride was the 3rd,so the illustration is of Hutchinson,Mary Kelly fame,with the best detailed information 🤔
At the time it was believed that Elizabeth Stride was the fifth victim, as it was believed that Emma Smith and Martha Tabram were victims, hence Liz Stride's being referred to as the fifth victim.
Perhaps the dude with the pipe was “Jack” and he scarpered when he realised Schwartz was looking at him.
Lechmere was Jack the Ripper
Chapman was killed after he was at work stride not ripper n Kelly was killed on a public holiday.
How is he Ripper
Jack was Conan Doyle
Jack would never have tried to drag his victim out on the street. He made sure they provided the crime scene for him. He most likely didn't see Jack The Ripper.
Schwartz may have actually witnessed the murder of Liz Stride. Carefully, read his statement and put it together with the crime scene facts. The three not very loud screams were because the killer (Broad Shouldered Man) was pulling Liz Stride about by her scarf, or because her throat was being cut at that moment.
I think it's hard to see past Charles Letchmere (Charles Cross) or possibly Robert Paul as being Jack the Ripper. Out of the two it is more likely Letchmere. Though why he stopped the killings (glad he did), is out of character for a serial killer. The evidence that is against Letchmere is pretty damning however still only circumstantial.
I have never really understood peoples fascination with Cross as the killer. Unless I have missed something there is no real evidence that he did it. Other than finding the body of the first victim and that he delivered meat so could get away with blood stains there isn't anything tying him to the murders. I think Levy or Kosminski are higher up on the suspects list.
Totally agree
The Lechmere theory has more holes in it than a Swiss cheese. Yes he did find the body of the first victim (and was joined by Paul shortly after) but there it ends. He did not use a false name, did not happen to walk past every murder site on his way to work on the exact moment the murders happened and did not fool everyone by appearing on the inquest (where he didn't even have to be), and most importantly didn't miraculously stop killing and lived to a ripe old age having worked very hard all his life.
Reporters embellishing stories for sensational effect?? 'Twas ever thus!!
He probably did, but amongst this community they do not inform on each other or help the host authorities apprehend law breakers amongst their people. Its in their religion to behave this way.
No because Stride wasn't a Ripper Victim
I doubt Elizabeth Stride was a victim of "The Ripper"
If Schwartz did see the early stages of the murder, then JTR was no master criminal. He was sloppy and just got lucky he was never identified and caught.
Does make it interesting that there may have been 2 men working together - that certainly would have helped to have one be a lookout for constables
I can understand why he'd be afraid, but I find it hard to be convinced by anybody who saw an attack on a woman and ran away. I don't even know if I believe that he was shouted at, or encountered a 2nd person. Seems a bit like enhancing a story to cover his own cowardice.
Ppl thought differently then ,they did not think as we do today
When you are outnumbered in East London you run away - simple as. Otherwise, you could end up brown bread…
@@davekeating. I take that point but I think that even the name chosen seems contrived, surely it'd be more likely for the actual murderer at that time in that situation would use "It's The Ripper" or "it's Leather Apron". it seems to me, that he saw something and ran, the other man and the name was an afterthought.
@@chadbridges4304 It's true but calling out for help isn't a modern notion, hence the story that has been passed down. If Schwartz himself had called for help by saying "Ripper" or "Leatherapron" people would have appeared in moments after what was happening. There is just something contrived about the choice of name that was said. I mean we will never know, but there is a lot to think about in all of it.
@@PerryCJamesUK Schwartz wasn’t enhancing his story to cover his own tracks. It’s becoming very popular nowadays to turn all Ripper witnesses into suspects. Remember, Schwartz took it upon himself, as a good citizen, to go to the local police station and make a statement. Any discrepancies are down to “lost in translation” and not that Schwartz was hiding anything. The person attacking Ms. Stride was caucasian he used the derogatory term “Lipski” to scare off Schwartz. Essentially saying, “If you don’t f*** off, Jew, you’ll be next…”
I would try to ascertain if you really saw Elizabeth stride because if it was then he probably did see Jack the ripper. But had he been drinking was there room for doubt a lot of prostitutes were illused and on a daily basis. If it actually was Elizabeth stride and he saw Jack the ripper as it is extremely doubtful that she was attacked twice by two different men.
I think it might have been Letchmere
assuming that was a ripper murder then yes.
If the attacker was a fellow Jew like Anderson suspected, why would he shout an anti-Semitic slur at Schwartz? That part seems contradictory to me.
Theses little tidbits of information and evidence should be looked at more closely because those two men being there, one across the road and the other attacking a woman seems suspicious. In the case of Jack the Ripper alot of evidence is overlooked
Or was he involved?
Mitochondrial DNA proves that Jack was either Kominski or part of his extended family. That's the only real critic the peer reviewed study of the DNA test proved, because the test was legit. It's true mitochondrial DNA can't identify a specific person but it identifies people within the same matrilineal line. Kosminski was also immediately recognized by Schwartz. The police then, because Schwartz refused to be used as a witness in the case(Hungarian Jew putting the wellbeing of a Polish Jewish serial killer over gentiles), had to resort to their secret plan B, just put him in an asylum which only requires a Doctor's signature. Asylums were long used to house political criminals and troublesome people that spies wanted away from the press and prying eyes, since all arrests and trials are public record. Even today, Leo Zagami and Kanye West were both interned in Asylums and drugged for a time, with the threat of the treatment being permanent for the rest of their lives.
James warbrick had his wstch engraved i am jack with the victims on look up.
I don't believe Israel Schwartz saw the face of Jack the Ripper. It is most likely that Schwartz knew the attacker and was a person you didn't cross. The attacker also used a racial slur at Schwartz, something uncommon for one Jew to threaten another fellow Jew which would have had dire consequences to draw attention to the intended and for the intended to be attacked. It is most likely that the attacker on Liz Stride was concerning money and his intention was to get money through violence means, but not murder. While her attacker was distracted with Schwartz, Liz Stride made her escape and fell into the clutches of Jack the Ripper close to Dutfields yard and was murdered there. It is most probable that Jack the Ripper was disturbed by Louis Diemschutz returning with his horse and cart before Jack the Ripper could mutilate Liz Strides body. Account given by Louis Diemschutz is that his horse shied away from the body of Liz Stride, but it was more likely that the horse was startled by Jack the Ripper hiding in the shadows, escaping when Louis Diemschutz left the scene of the crime.
Most of the last men the women were seen with had differing moustaches and heights. I have a rather dark theory about the murders.