It's not going to be a souls game. But it will have elements that From Software have spent a decade perfecting. And I expect AC fans and new players will love it when it comes out. It will be critically acclaimed.
The game will be amazing, but I still feel like both you and Vaati are being a little smug and arrogant with your "fuck you I was right" statement in this video. It's also not fair to be dismissive and say that this trailer undoes what Fighting Cowboy was initially saying either. I know you're not 100% serious and Vaati didn't actually say that in his video but still...Many people were more or less saying this months back: "While the game may have generalized elements that are in line with Souls games, that’s because those existed in the franchise long before Souls did because they’re pillars of Fromsoft’s design language as a collective. But it’ll also have many elements that make it a radical departure from Souls games in it’s inherent design and structure as well as the overall and moment to moment gameplay loop that means it might not be to the taste of every Souls fan. Because it’s not Armored Souls, it’s Armored Core and there’s nothing wrong with that." So Fighting Cowboy is still not wrong about what the game is going to be either. Omnipotent, a pretty credible leaker also more or less confirmed this. twitter.com/manfightdragon/status/1602127769210523648?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1602127769210523648%7Ctwgr%5E82fc28514c613487715d00969037b96c954f5ec0%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fzjldj8%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse And while sure, Vaati never said that it would be "Dark Souls with mechs", he did use loose, flowery language to treat the methodical vibe of souls combat as being similar to the super fast paced combat of classic armored core. And those are not the same thing. I still think he initially over sold it with his vague definitions of what components of combat would even classify Armored Core as inherently "souls-like." I don't believe there will be any types of "dance like" "parry heavy" "waterfowl dance" type fights in this game that equate to the main souls games. And people should not insist that it should. So to kind of gleefully, remark "I'm being proven right by these trailers, you're all wrong" doesn't really come across as a fair and balanced take to me. Just my two cents. We don't have to agree.
@@imoutocompalex Hardcore AC fans went absolutely nuts and drew first blood when they harassed people over their opinions. They deserve to be mocked. You lost.
@@killerking2346 Most AC fans aren't toxic And if we're gonna use the "some members of your fanbase are toxic so we will consider every one of you to be Toxic and Never respect you" Point CAN easily be Used For the Souls games Yes the Only Toxic memebers are a small minority which is why your point sucks
I can't believe we had this months long debate that basically boiled down to whether a game studio could make 1 type of game for 10 years straight and somehow forget everything they learned from those games
The funny thing being the studio didn't make one type of game for 10 years straight. People just told themselves that Sekiro was a soulslike and forgot/ignored/didn't know about Deracine and one of the Monster Hunter spin-offs. If you want to get technical, Armored Core V: Verdict Day is included as well, since Dark Souls 2 came out in 2014.
@@unsungzero6122 ACV was the title that sold the most of the old gen; it got dropped by the player base because it erred way too much away from the usual formula (and the mech design is rather ugly on top of that) but it was still played for as long a spossible in multiplayer team-based.
@SethonanGaming I wouldn't say ACV was unlike other AC games any more than AC4 did. Just that AC4 was more surface level AC while ACV was more Aac at it's core, just done differently
I don’t believe Miyazaki is the unchallenged king of game developers, a true luminary. I *know* Miyazaki is the unchallenged king of game developers, a true luminary and he is about to release the greatest mecha game ever made
I believe Miyazaki is the unchallenged king of foot fetishism, a true luminary. King among masochists. Any feet he gets his grubby little hands on turn to gold.
@@nsomjimi Yeah, really sucks that Yamamura isn't going to get the credit he deserves for this game, just like he didn't with Sekiro. Really disappointed to see this message pinned when it completely misrepresents the person who is actually the lead on the project and doing more of the work. If even supposed hardcore Fromsoft fans can't get the information right, what chance does the general gaming public have of actually giving credit to the right people?
Some details from the famitsu interview FromSoft were surprised by the western reaction to the announcement. -Protagonist being silent is worked into the story as a consequence of them undergoing some Human Plus-like process. -Re shields: " The shield also has a feature called "Initial Guard" that increases its output for about one second after deployment, so if you can read the enemy's attack pattern, you can use it in a wider range of situations." (I don't know what to make of this) (it's probably something like being able to parry the opponents with the Right timing) -More aesthetic options for emblems, including textures and weathering. -While melee combat options have expanded, the director stresses ranged combat is still the focus. -Regarding multiplayer: Multiplayer is separate from the main story. Allows for PvP and trading of schematics and emblems -the Single player arena is Coming back -There is a "repair kit" item that can be used up to 3 times during missions. -For the planning phase, they decided to put focus on "things a Mech can do that humans cannot do" (being able to use multiple weapons at the same time and dodging while attacking were given as examples)
What people think when they imagine AC as a "souls game": You boot up Armored Core 6. You start a new game. You select from a series of default AC units. "Seek Coral to transcend human". You spawn in the ruins of some collapsed megastructure. Fight your way through the ruins of some long bygone sci-fi civilization. Defeat MT's until you reach a fogwall. Go through. Cutscene. An old and rusted AC unit sits in the middle of an arena. Upon entering the arena, it reactivates, indicated by the glowing red light. Music swells, as the worn out remains of some bygone raven rises up one last time. Scene, and Boss Battle. Despite being far from it's former glory, the ruined AC proves a challenging foe, and after several attempts, you finally bring it down. You rest at the bonfire, and spend the coral you received on levels, putting all your stats into Arcane and Adaptability.
@@SitranoSpire make i think theres only 1 AC that could do that if my memory is correct,and it would be pretty cool if the fight started and you could hear the only lyrics of it's theme song "DESTROY NINE BALL"
Could do something similar to Nier Automata: You arrive to destroy an AC, only when you arrive you can't find it, there's only MT's around. Eventually either it reveals itself as what looked like a dead AC and activates to fight you or assembles itself from multiple smaller 'enemies' So you could start the level and know where it is, and then see it hiding. I think an AC playing dead or reactivating as a result of something we do could be a really neat concept.
That was me as a Ravenlet 😂. I played a bit of AC3 and was shocked that apparently you can't just unga bunga into a horde of enemy ACs and piss your ammo away without getting into abject poverty.
I love that From has enough money now that they can make a modern game in an essentially dead genre just because they want to, as a passion project. Hope it does well and revatilises this style.
Yeah the only way I could see someone playing an AC game and going "man these games are easy" is if they only ever played AC3, AC4, and 1 or 2 playthroughs of For Answer on normal mode, without doing a third playthrough to do the "oh fuck its a 4v1" mission (5v1 on hard mode.) Last Raven has some brutal moments if you aren't ready for it. It also has a lot of "noob traps" that will catch people completely off guard if they are just starting out. Master of Arena's final mission and final boss is some shit too, 3 nineballs (2 of them at the same time) followed up by Seraph who is always on the move and is incredibly fast.
@@GamersBlogX "if they only ever played AC3, AC4, and 1 or 2 playthroughs of For Answer" Dunno about the 1 or 2 playthroughs part, but hey, guess which games he explicitly said were his only experience with the franchise!
@@angrytigermpc One of the ending missions in For Answer is a 4v2 that quickly turns into a 4v1 because your teammate dies near instantly into the start of the mission and does basically nothing. On Hard mode this same mission is a 5v2 that turns into a 5v1 just as quickly. You can easily gloss over it because the only way to get that ending is by taking the mission where you shoot down 100 million people, and most people likely wouldn't do that on playthrough 2. It is a brutal mission to pay back your brutal actions.
They don't, but perhaps as much as customization can compare to another. Changing your loadout will be necessary with certain missions and you will get no heads up to this fact, unless mission briefings go into more detail, which I doubt.
Kind of similar. Both are mission based games on a smallish map. Both have tactical Soulsborne type combat. Boss battles being a focal point. Grind maps for stuff to do customisation.
The differences between mh and ac is that in AC you have everything and you have to choose what you want/need to succeed and mh is always about getting stronger by getting better armor with the slots you need. With the exception of maybe needing guard up or something. There is some puzzle solving at first but it's there to optimize your build not completing change what skills you bring. Usually you have everything you need on your build already with maybe one or two skills needing to be swapped out for different monsters or swapping element. AC you do unlock parts which can be better but it's more about solving a puzzle to accommodate the weapons you need to bring for each mission as weight is the main factor. The missions are designed to have you engage with the garage or brute force it and have a unfun time. (Some games are forgiving) In the older games like ac1 and maybe 2 it was closer to mh because money was also a resource that slowly let you become stronger untill you could afford really good stuff and good parts. But the puzzle solving was always there. Later games you get money very fast. In 6 i suspect it will be closer to mh because there looks like some really interesting weapons you can have that will let you keep your current build and just change a few things to adapt to each mission. Maybe you'll have to be forced out of the tank playstlye and have to dodge for these bosses but it will probably be more of a swapping of different boosters or something im just guessing how theu expect you to survive some of this stuff without being bipedal. But i doubt they'd screw the other playstyles that hard
I trust From Software and I've never played an armoured core game, so I will be giving it a try. I trust that everything in the game will be thoughtful and intended. If it doesn't work for me I will still have a new experience and be supporting a studio I respect.
The key point I took away from this video is "I WANT TO BE RIGHT." Half of the things that are said to be "souls-like" in both this video and Vaati's recent one, are vague ideas that have really existed for ages before Souls, or just refinements on old ideas already in the Armored Core series.
@@SpottedHares Soulstubers have reached "almost all games are technically RPGs because they're GAMES where you PLAY the ROLE of a character XD" levels of reaching.
@@SpottedHares The question really is how much emphasis is put on that though. There are many skills you can "test" in video games besides learning patterns through repitition. For example Doom Eternal also has enemies with attacks, it even has bosses, but learning their exact attack timings and patterns is not nearly as important as learning movement, weapon swaps, weakpoints, aim, prioritising targets etc. The enemies also have very simplistic attacks. Doom Eternal has a fairly low emphasis on learning patterns through repition. The important "patterns" are a lot more abstract.
With all-due respect AC Verdict Day had bosses with telegraphed attacks (albeit a bit janky) also making a comment on AC difficulty without playing Last Raven is a bit odd.
@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime Not really. The game starts you off with a decent chunk of change and huge number of purchasable parts. You can also restart from the beginning of the mission timeline and keep all your money and parts so you could have more than enough money to buy enough parts to experiment and get better.
I think the real issues is the term souls-like as it applies to Fromsoftware games. I personally wouldn't consider Sekiro a souls-like but shares a lot of stuff. AC6 will be a very Fromsoftware type game. We should really drop the Soulsborne stuff and talk about Fromsoftware games like we do for Bethesda where all the games share DNA regardless of IP. And personally as a old AC fan I'm still heavily against slapping the Soulsborne label on AC6 but I'm exited for the new additions to combat.
@@DryMirage Exactly but unfortunately saying "its not souls-like but will have souls elements" is kinda awkward like I understand what people mean when they say that but just say it'll be more of a modern Fromsoftware title its easier to understand and removes any souls-like confusion.
@@Subject19-b6b "Soulslike" is an incredibly silly term people use to envelop everything as its convenient and absolutey muddied gaming discussion. I've seen it used in MULTIPLE ways and people flipflop on what they mean in between people having different interpretations. Anyway I see these terms. 1. "Soulslike" meaning to lift from Souls unabashedly like Code Vein down to near 1:1 transplants of everything in those games, bonfire, estus, souls pick up and leveling, the works. Combat is what you think it is when you hear someone mention "soulslike" in this context, probably rolling around and conserving stamina to hit the boss at opportune moments while avoiding their own combos (not unique to Souls when put into terms like this but I'm sure you get the framing when you imagine the average Souls boss fight, playstyle withstanding when you walk through the average fog gate). I see people applying this to different degrees as well when it comes to things like Sekiro in the 3D action rpg framing where people would debate if its truly a soulslike. 2. "Soulslike" meaning it'll be difficult, have bosses that may require trial and error with plenty of strategization and builds, a bleak story featuring a decaying world/atmosphere and subtle storytelling, you actually see this when you google Soulslike on wikipedia. But these have been consistent to many of their entries. They're called iconic hallmarks of the Souls series but it's always been part of many of From's catalogue. Side Note: Hollow Knight is pretty funny in this regard as its sandwiched between the two big hotwords "Soulslike" under this working defintion and "Metroidvania" which is another term with this same issue. Lets not even go onto the other layer where people have discussions about if Souls is a "metroidvania-like". 3. "Soulslike" more recently after all this stuff with the interviews, meaning to have more elements in modern gaming conventions brought in from the last ten years of making Souls games when they said they'd build upon past experience. Now this is where I can think people can just mix and match wtf they want to say as this could extend to anything. Anything from including more pre-boss checkpoints, more intuitive controls, anti-frustration features, etc. I see the opporunity to critical shot on stagger/low health being a "soulslike" element here under this definition when that shit has been everywhere, MH/DMC come to mind but nobody would call that a soulslike, hopefully anyway.
Tbh I don’t even know what souls-like means but Sekiro feels unmistakably similar to their other games (in a good way). For example the one thing that From does really well with their movement is that turn on a dime feel while still having weight to the animations and overall movement which while being so simple is something so many games mess up
Since the focus is on range, I find it hard to put it in the souls-like category. Swords and shields were already a thing in the older titles. Them adding special moves and mechanics to flesh those aspects out only makes sense in a modern release. But I will admit the bosses seem very much souls-like. Giant bosses are a staple of the Armored Core series, however these boss fights are definitely reminiscent of prior souls titles.
@@derrickmiles5240 I agree about the bosses being the only thing souls-ish but honestly then are Zelda bosses Souls-ish since both require pattern recognition and taking advantage of openings?
Telegraphed attacks existed in Armored Core for years, just not nearly to the degree of Souls. Overboosting had a clear startup look and sound, often back cannons will unfurl and, depending on the game, the AC may kneel. How missiles fly towards the player can give them a chance to mitigate, if not fully avoid, them, either through evasion or activating missile interceptor units. Even charging Gen V's Overed weapons can be seen as telegraphing an attack. I've seen a couple people mention how Souls-y it is to see the AC dodge those 3 times even though it's not exactly new to AC. Again, Souls was much more pronounced when it came to telegraphing attacks, but it wasn't non-existent in AC. Some of the stuff they learned from Souls will be applied to AC6, but it isn't necessarily new to AC in general. As far as difficulty goes... based on the games you said you finished, it's safe to say you don't quite have a full grasp of AC difficulty. Not to say all AC games are hard, but AC4/FA is, by some, considered 2 of the easiest games in the series. 3 also isn't particularly difficult. But then you have Last Raven or Verdict Day, which would be the two hardest games in the series (although VD at least gave you ways to mitigate difficulty). And the notion of concentrating on enemy movement and looking for the right time to attack... that *can* be applied to previous AC games (certainly helped me for some certain fights in Last Raven). TL:DR: A lot of the stuff they have learned from Souls and being applied to AC aren't all new to AC, and has can be seen in previous games. Said things may have been more pronounced in Souls, or otherwise done in a different way. But I'm not denying that they did learn some stuff that can totally be applied here.
@@moisesezequielgutierrez After playing through 1-3, Nineball Seraph was hard, but that was in Master of Arena, since you fight 3 Nineballs before fighting him, his appearence in Nexus is easier since you fight him 1v1 this time. Zinaida from Last Raven is arguably the hardest boss in the series.
I completely disagree with the conclusion that "yes, Vaati was right, they're bringing Souls elements to Armored Core, because theyre bringing telegraphed attacks, that they might be increasing the difficulty" or any of the reasons he mentioned, becauss i also disagree thats the *only* thing that defines a souls game. What if instead they had said that they brough a combat designer from Capcom that worked on Devil May Cry to help them with bosses, especifically, and telegraphed attacks. Does it mean that just because bosses have more modern takes on bosses and telegraphed attacks that the game is more "Devil May Cry"-ish? No, becsuse its not just the bosses that make a DMC game, and its not the same elements that make a Souls game, those ganes have many other aspects that are aprt of their experience that taking just a fraction lf that and still comparing them doesnt feel right to set expectations. It's all in how people try to compare games. Yes, they're bringing their experience with recent titles to armored core, yes that will probably make souls fans more likely to enjoy an armored core game than ever before, but to just try to compare it to souls still feels disingenuous to a series that has a lot more going for it. Telegraphed moves on hard bosses are not intrinsically something souls. It is something that they lesrned with souls, and it is fair to tell people that just judging past games will not give the full picture of what AC6 will offer, but to compare it to souls still feels wrong. It's like comparing Valorant to Call of Duty. Yes, they might have similar things going for it, theyre first person shooter games, you aim, tou shoot, you have a team, but those are not enough to compare them as similar experiences, or say "oh hey, this new game, Valorant, has Call of Duty-like mechanics", it wouldn't make any sense. So, if someone is talking about game elements like better boss designs and just calling them "Souls-like", i would probably tell that person to try playing other games so that they can see thats not really what "Souls-like" means, because thats just a shallower description of the genre. It's why some people got disappointed with Sekiro for not being souls when it's offering a different experience, even if it has bosses with telegraphed moves. Is Sekiro a souls-like? I also dont think so. Does it have "souls-like elements"? I think it has influences from souls, which is natural, but that is not the full picture of the experience. Hence why some people still got disappointed by it because of expectations. So, going for "hey, people said i was wrong, look now! Telegraphed attacks!" as if he was proving a point still doesn't make much sense to me, and he probably still needs to adjust his terms. Souls are not really the first to have bosses with telegraphed attacks. We can have examples of those like DMC3. Souls is not the first one with intricate level design that has shortcuts and having the player explore an area, Resident Evil did that first. But what Souls did was take those game elements and put them in a *package,* and that package is what made them souls. Because they formed a new identity, that's what Souls is. Not one element, the *sum of its parts.* I think it's fair to say a game is "souls-like" when it brings elements together that make it gets closer to what a Souls game is. But we don't have enough information *yet* to call Armored Core a Souls-like. It could end up being one, but we can't just throw terms around because those terms have weight and they can set expectations, and if we keep just throwing those terms around then we can end up with the "this is the Dark souls of X" type of thing all over again and that's a really bad way to describe games, so let's not even come close to that. I enjoy your content , keep it up \o/
There's a difference between gatekeeping and tempering expectations. I'd like to believe that, every time I've spoken about AC6 to Souls fans, I was taking the latter, not the former. I welcome Souls fan to explore AC6, but it wouldn't surprise me if a significant number concludes that "it isn't for them". That's fine, sometimes a game just isn't for you. The interviews have already confirmed mission-based design (not open world), where you will likely be paid based on your performance at the end of a mission. With that in mind, it's LIKELY the old AC games in structure: no healing/repairs mid-mission, no reloading, no bonfires, no replenishments. A mission is basically an endurance test of your skill and what you chose to bring with you. There was also an interview revealing that AC6 has multiple endings. If all goes as I expect it, the narrative intrigue isn't about a deeper background lore and its implications. Rather, it's a striaghtforward, battlefield radio-drama about a few key choices that you make along with completely faceless corporate and mercenary contacts over radio. The mech itself is the most facial identity you'll get from a character.
@@RenegadeY Nah so far (and I've played seven of these bastards) only 1 had multiple endings. It's my understanding that yes, Silent Line and Last Raven have multiple endings, along with 4 Answer, but the majority don't
Remember in an earlier video, Fromsoft explicitly mentioned that soulsbornering had no inspirataion on AC6? I think the community needs to realise that Fromsoft definition of Souls is fundamentally different from what the community think souls are...
That's because "Souls-Like" is a nebulous I'll defined term that's throw around with the lazy haphazardness of Metroidvania. Nothing here meant this is going to be like Souls, Souls games don't own the trademark on attack tells and boss patterns and shit.
@@aureateseigneur5317 the only thing about souls combat that is distinct is using the shoulder buttons for offense/defense. But hmmm I wonder what series did that first 😅
Dude; "finding the correct windows to attack" has always been part of Armored Core, it's called Target lock on, when your reticle turns red. The "right window to attack" is while the reticle is red colored, as that means you will surely hit; the trick is doing that while also flying around the stage dodging bullets and missiles.
Yes I will surely hit when the reticle is red. Otherwise my grenade rifle ammo is depleted, I can't beat the enemy AC and I would need to restart the arena match for the 7th time.
That's not what this is refering to. It's the big ass bosses with their big ass wind-up moves. It's a little confusing, as we're used to just being able to fly away and shoot the big bad bosses from a distance while doging the occational missile barrage. But if we're going to get something between 3rd and 5th gen movement, with 4th gen quick boost, I could tots see some bosses acting a lil like those Dark Souls ones.
@@GrievyRZ Not only with the boost, but the with the fuel management. I could be wrong, but I doubt we'll be seeing 4A levels of fuel efficiency. Which definitely will make us grounded a bit more. Even 3rd generation could get pretty nutty with fuel efficiency when you achieve some of the later end generators and radiators. I guess another way the game will keep us in a boss fight is by giving the boss more deadly ranged attacks than melee attacks, encouraging the player to get up close into the boss' blindspots rather than out in the open.
I beg to differ; those types of attacks were always there in AC; the difference is they are not as obvious, because AC leans more towards actively getting out of the way vs reactively dodging. AC has had bosses in the past, but the focus is in killing them fast through explosive firepower or constant barrage of attacks, not through stats, but through mech design. Other type of bosses is attacking weakpoints while dodging overwhelming defenses; or straight up fighting other mercenaries' AC build. Hence the insistence of them slowing down ths speed of the game but still focusing on mobility to overcome attacks.
3:03 "these aren't games that have a huge enphasis on difficulty. You can get by with a mediocre grasp on how everything works" Ohhh you sweet, sweet summer child xD
Soulstubers Smug assurance that their favorite video game subgenre is the epitome of game design and all games should be just like them Name a more iconic duo.
@@hayaokakizaki4463 Why would I want to do that? I don't go out of my way to play unrefined, inferior games. I don't play King's Field because its old and unpolished. If I wanted to play AC I would play 3,4 or 5. Or even better, 6 lmao
Fighting the same enemy repeatedly to understand their moves and pattern so you can overcome them with a combination of assessment, skills, and possibly a better loadout(assembly)? That has literally been in every AC game I've played. It happened when we met the Unknown Controller's AC in the lab mission and other missions, weird Lobster looking unidentified MT, and the large towering MT in AC3. It happened when we met the unknown fat AC in the burning AI lab and that annoying stealth using AI AC in the satellite mapping mission in AC Silent Line It happened when we had to fight that off brand "Nineball Guardian" in ACNX It happened when we had to fight every type of Pulveriziers in AC Last Raven It happened when we had to fight Aretha in AC4. It happened when we had to fight fall the Arms Forts in ACFA. It happened when we had to fight all the Unidentified Weapons(Exusia, L.L.L., TypeD, Raijin, Saint Elmo, To-605A, Grey Lotus, LiV, N-WGIX/v, etc) in ACV and ACVD Notice I haven't even mentioned the HUNDREDS of AC battles(both straightforward 1:1s in the arena and VERY situationally set up ones in missions) that are sprinkled in every AC game. Hard, repetitive boss fights that require the player to 'git gud' by assessing the situation and the enemy is NOT an invention of the Souls Games.
2:36 i wouldnt agree with you on that. In 4 and FA maybe yes, but the older games, 5 and VD, expects you to fail unless you tackle it the way the game wants you to In 5 and VD, bosses were more telegraphed than the ones that came before
I played AC 1 & 2 a loooonnnggg time ago... but i loved the building aspect and getting new parts and weapons... it may be nothing like the Soulsborne games but if they take what they've learned from those games and also put in the resources needed it will be worth playing just because they make great fluid games...I believe they want to branch out a bit more so this game is very important to them
I think they will add a few boss type big mechas but the vast majority of bosses will be fellow AC units..I hope we get at least 100 ACs to fight in the arena battles...Replaying Master of Arena again this week on my ps1
@@darkkingastos4369 I think people forget that arms forts, and big boss battles were a thing in AC4, V, VD way too often. Not saying they weren't in earlier games
There are ways to make the argument that FromSoftware is implementing positive aspects and traditions that they've had in the souls games and AC games that won't make AC fans mad. I've made a short series out of it on my channel, personally, but the issue is Souls fans don't come at it from a place of understanding that Demon's Souls onward carried over a lot of design elements they've been utilizing for decades. Vaati acts like AC is taking notes from Souls, when it's been the other way around since the beginning, and now we get to see what a well funded, and more experienced FromSoft will do with a beloved franchise. You can't blame us oldhead AC fans for caring, and not wanting Souls to take credit for what was already a fantastic set of games.
hi. you're completely wrong about this? as a long-time fan of armored core, the entire sequence of repetition, learning tactics of a boss, learning an approach to a level, refining your clashes with single enemies and learning their timing and attack patterns, all of this may be the core of souls, but it is also (and always has been) the core (no pun intended) of Armored Core. While this is only a part of the gameplay in the "core" AC games, with some levels being more scouting missions or escorts or puzzle encounters, a great deal of focus is on the combat and replaying missions to master that combat. Entire releases in the series (Master of Arena, Nine Breaker) have been made with a sole obsessive focus on the mastery of 1v1 mech combat, learning tactics and timings, and perfecting your approach to single encounters before moving on.
i understand your "ive beaten several games" shpiel but you've beaten AC3, the easiest of the main line games, AC4, which was a total divergence from early AC and a response to Zone of the Enders (evinced by the almost fourth wall breaking wink and nod that is "Kojima Particles"), AC4's spinoff, and parts of AC5. I'm not sure any of those games had the strong focus on Core vs Core and arena combat that the earlier entries did.
the telegraphed attacks that you're saying "would look out of place in any of the armored core games [[you've]] played" and the existence of large bosses are both a major part of For Answer's Arms Fort fights and famous fights with gigantic opponents in earlier AC games... I'm now just getting confused.
By the way, Josh Strife Hayes and Writing for Games channels have uploaded videos about Armored Core controls, plot and their importance in the industry. Those are really interesting to watch!
Telegraphed attacks aren’t indicative to a souls game. I hope that fromsoft stays true to the formula of armored core. I’ve never played AC so I wouldn’t know. What were the previous ones like? Almost dynasty warriors like?
Nah, not really hack and slash. I'd say it be more accurate to compare them to Unreal Tournament than Dynasty Warriors. Zipping around, blasting each other. Occasionally using cover but not really (unless it was ACVD). I would say Virtua-On if you know what that is. Kinda like that but faster and with customization and more weapons. Most Armored Core games weren't really about reacting to enemy attacks but acting in a way that reduced the chance of them hitting you when they are attacking. Most of the time you will be taking hits from small fire like machine guns and lasers. But you want to save your maneuvers for the big railguns or plasma launchers or missile barrages.
No one is ruining anything for anyone. None of this will have any impact on the game. Besides, I'm pretty sure most of those Souls fans got the memo by now. I think it's fun discussing with them!
@@RenegadeY Weird thing is 4A had insanely good multiplayer, I don't know why Souls games have always had such a hard time with it. Maybe it's the way Souls combines single and multiplayer; From Soft doesn't really do that with Armored Core or A.C.E.
Is funny how the souls fans don’t understand that dark souls was created on the back of AC , y’all don’t even realize how much of AC dna is in Souls types
I dont see the issue with them incorporating souls like elements. I feel like some souls like elements will come to all of their games bc its in their dna. For instance, sekiro had souls like elements but consistently set itself apart as a different experience. I doubt from software will drop the ball on this one.
I always thought that Souls combat could be the best real-time combat system, but needed more polishing to be incorporated in other types of games. But then Sekiro came in and made It definitely perfect. I think now it's ready to be adapted freely to other games with a more fast passing gameplay.
He didn't say there's an issue with it. Hardcore AC fans don't mind From Software incorporating Soulslike elements. They don't want it to be a Soulslike game, though, which is a different thing. And they thought Vaati was saying he wanted AC6 to be a Soulslike game. But if the game retains its AC core, they don't mind if it also includes some elements from Dark Souls.
Indeed. People have it fixed in their head whatever they do belongs to the Dark Souls games, despite the fact Souls games took things from AC and King's Field. They incorporate what they learn in to games if they fit.
I think the problem comes from the fact that we're calling them "souls like elements" to begin with. Sure it was Fromsoft that popularized most of the design, but its not found exclusively within their line of ARPGs. Over the years, much of it has been applied to a wide variety of genre. Think of all the great games that have come out over the years, and how many people have said "Its the Dark Souls of___!", when they actually have little to nothing in common. It's funny at first, but it has and will cause confusion, and trick people into thinking a game is something that it's not.
People like you are funny. Sekiro is just the same as DarkSouls as Bloodborne is. A few changes to add a twist to the combat. Bonfires, estus flasks, death mechanics etc..... Built on exactly the same foundation.
Ratatoskr clearly you never participated in playing last raven or for answer where you get stuck in that 2v5 hard(1.5 v 5) or 2v4 easy mission. Difficulty climbs with LR.
Seriously, I was learning boss attack patterns in games well before Demon's Souls even existed. Love the games, but some fans really need some perspective.
With that line of thought then there is nothing that makes, mechanically, souls games different from any other game. Yes, most bosses in videogames have telegraphed attacks and mechanics that you learn through trial and error is how Fromsoftware executes this that differenciates it, they're applying that flavor of boss combat to a game franchise that didn't had it before. Don't be obtuse guys.
@Aurwenn We aren't, there's nothing here to hint that they applying a Souls style of combat pace and design to Armored Core, having a track patterns and tells doesn't mean they are impkenting that design philosophy because those are the generic terms for "good combat design" that the vast majority of combat focused games follow.
@@Aurwenn People are saying it's Souls-like because of telegraphed attacks and patterns. These are not exclusive to Souls, nor do they make a game more Souls-like. Otherwise we'd devolve into saying things like, "Elden Ring has become more Mario-like by adding a dedicated jump button." No one would say that earnestly. This reminds me of someone telling me that Bloodborne can't be considered horror because it doesn't have puzzles...
To be fair, he put "Armored Souls" right in the thumbnail. Heavily suggesting a Souls like game but just with mechs. Of course AC6 will have SOME Souls elements in it but not to the extent of calling it Armored Souls like he did.
I don't know about calling telegraphed and dodgeable attacks a unique Souls like feature. That's stretching it, since while From popularized reaction based combat in modern gaming, they did not invent it. I never played an AC game and I feel nothing about the series, but I like mechs so I'm on-board a mech game made by From Software with a post-Elden Ring budget. I won't go crazy over it but it could be a good time!
To see you learn and become one with Armored Core is pretty awesome. Even got the good ost during your vid xD Back to the point, this is to be expected. The director is of Sekiro, and changed the Souls formula to make its own kind of game. Fast paced and mastering mechanics of your own style is the name of the game. It fits Armored Core, especially when the series is about pilots taking down clever pilots in even stronger mechs. And if the story is like AC4/For Answer, there is will probably be the biggest wave of lore this year.
One of the best things about Armored Core is outside of certain boss battles, you aren't actually fighting someone in a better mech. They could very well be in a worse mech than you. And if you go for round 2, you can absolute obliterate them by targeting their armor weaknesses.
2:36 i like... I haven't even played that many i can still see the problem with that sentence. For anyone not in the know every numbered title has several sequals aside for 4 and 5 which only have one sequal. And he's played less than half of them.
I lowkey feel bad for FromSoft. They've created such a phenomenon with Soulslikes that everything else they produce will be criticized for not being one. I feel like AC6 will be review bombed by entiltled Souls fans, who will dislike it purely because it doesn't fit their niche. People forget a good game is a good game regardless of the genre. But FromSoft will surely take elements or design philosophies from Souls in their future projects. It would be stupid not to.
I wouldn't say everything else they produced will be criticized for not being one. People convinced themselves that Sekiro was a Soulslike, and people either didn't know or didn't count Deracine or the Monster Hunter spinoff. Not to mention the multiple games made between Demons and DS2. AC6, unlike the other games, is too big to ignore. Now, *that* will be criticized for not being souls, I agree.
@@GrievyRZ If people can be told that it isn't Dark Souls with mechs and come out thinking "Yeah it's Dark Souls with mechs", then I can be pretty sure some people will dislike it for not being souls.
@@RippahRooJizah oh. Like that. So the Dark Souls fans will be told "This game will be like Dark Souls". But then they end up with an AC game, (which I'm guessing is very different) and get dissapointed. This is honestly so confusing, it's been a while.
@@GrievyRZ I'm not under the impression that it'll be every Souls fan, but, yeah, some are under the impression it's going to be Mech Souls. I know there was another video where a guy outright stated that Fromsoft said it isn't going to be a soulslike... but it was going to be and that FS was, and I quote, "in denial". Granted he did explain that Souls took some stuff from AC, but then stressed that means AC6 is totally taking things from souls. It gets really weird.
I'm just going to point out that you only played the easiest AC games haha, you're not beating ACLR without a complete understanding of the games mechanics and a lot of training. The repetition is there in AC, it's just less about evading attacks and more finding builds and weps that can survive a difficult AC encounters AC6 adding souls boss design on top of this is great. And yeah there will be a lockon mechanic.
Last Raven was basically the introduction to difficulty and challenge, but I think they're were other games that had that like tenchu, Evergrace and other titles under the radar. But just let those who became "Fromsoftware fans" through the Souls borne series give you their tears as you enjoy them going the same thing over and over again and going into the negative balance.
Depends, if you are a Souls fan. Probably, but it isnt gonna be Souls like. it gives difficulty at least with some bosses/character fights and tons of depth to your "character" and build with alot of options and tough combat. It's an amazing series and I'm glad it's getting more love, I love it more then Souls and that's saying something. If you are a "Souls fan" (the bandwagon players who "like" it but only when they're overleveled or abusing shit) Then no. From what I remember, there is no abusing shit, there is no over leveled, plus this campaign will be solo so you cant get carried. You can farm parts day and night, but like Sekiro it just depends on how good you are. Also Dont worry it wont be souls like. Only "souls like" things they're adding is big bosses (which apparently have health bars) And a stagger system so people wont turtle and things will have more depth. Minus those bits theyve said, it will be just like the other AC games Edit note GOD I HOPE THEY BRING BACK UNACS (unmanned ACs that u get to program) Basically build a buddy, because it was fun and i even made some that my friends ans some other players, couldnt beat
Look no offence but ur video is kinda misinformed like - armored core bosses never had telegraphed attacks which is outright untrue since verdicts day last boss, IBIS from silent line, pulverizers from last raven, the internecine in last raven, 5s last boss, Phantasma in project phantasma, nineball seraph in master of arena, and the answerer from for answer all used telegraphed attacks -finding the right moment to attack has been in Ac games since well the first one so I don’t why your calling it a new element from souls into ac which you also said u played some of them you should know that -saying that it’s gonna have a dark souls like lock on is outright wrong since it would not work at all which you should know this since you played 3, 4, for answer, and 5 since dark souls lock on narrows/focuses the view of the players on the targeted enemy which severely limits visibility which would work horribly in ac -not playing some of the most highly regarded titles such as 2, silent line, and last raven but making it look like you know what ur talking about kinda makes your point flawed as like I said in the telegraphed attacks incorrect -saying these game aren’t difficult is clear to me you haven’t played master of arena, Another age, Silent line, or last raven since all three of those games are brutal and clearly you needed to play them before you did this video because no offence that is one of the most bizarre takes I’ve ever heard regarding AC lol just a bonus and a huge criticism on how you responded to vats video that end bit where you pretty much told everyone who played ac and understand more than you by pretty much saying ur objectively right the entire time (which based off of interviews and even gameplay proves that you are wrong) not only makes u look like an absolute moron (I’m not insulting you just telling you the POV of people who adored and know these games will perceive you when you made that statement) but also make you look extremely poor in the eyes of others as well since you made that video about cowboy was right which made you look modest and gave people huge respect to you but you might’ve lost lots of it with that comment you made unnecessarily again this ain’t an attack just criticism
Those aren't souls elements. Anyone who's played Last Raven knows that the game series had some punishing entries. 4 Answer, 5 and Verdict day all feature weapons with large windups that can one shot and MUST be dodged (motherwills cannons, the red chainsaw weapon from 5, the lancer prototype cores in 3, they've always been there and have countless iterations). Those aren't really unique to souls games. Kind of like how soulslike combat isn't even that unique to their own game since Monster Hunter has been doing it since the PS2, or how "darksouls hard" was just a mutation of "nintendo hard". The point I saw from the AC fans in Vaati's video was mostly: chill out, not everything needs to be souls like, the whole genre has turned into a malignant disease that tries to takeover things that have nothing to do with it. I mean... we've had highly telegraphed AOE attacks since assault armor was introduced. There's plenty for you souls fans to enjoy, but accept that its going to be an armored core game, and you guys are still fresh to that scene. Some of us been around since PSX. That "souls like" grab attack gave me flashbacks to AC3 more than it did any souls game. Just seems like a heavy reach.
Armored Core 2, Another Age, Silent Line and Last Raven are all very difficult games and I think absolutely harder than any of their titles since Demon's Souls.
Ironically armored core actually has a targeting format that in a since solves the problem that is sometimes seen in souls games. My guess is that now that we're entering an age of much better tech for game development we may very well see a camera format that not only doesn't screw you in certain angles, but allows you to focus fully on positioning and reaction, this would not only make the player more powerful, but also allows the devs to be even more devious with encounters. As someone who enjoys Elden Ring and Monster Hunter this very much has my attention.
Tbh was in the middle of playing mech games in general. I vaguely remember armored core and was thinking of picking up the old games. Then right around the corner armored core 6 was announced. So yes I'm excited
To hazard a guess on how the targeting system will work in 6. I believe we'll have a mixed system from the series, a lock on system for close and close medium range and the traditional targeting box for long range weapons.
@@derrickmiles5240 I think it would be manual lock on if we get to far back or the enemy moves beyond a certain speed(high speed bosses or if they have some kind of chaff dispensing equipment). I'm sure it will vary depending on the FCS.
You can't have a hard lock on system because turning speed is a fundamental design principle of every single AC game. It's a stat you need to build around like everything else.
@@derrickmiles5240 That makes sense to me, lock on could be tied to fcs but the reaction to movement (tracking for aiming) would be a combination of the arm, leg, weapon, etc A tank tread may have trouble tracking a moving target while a wielding grenade launcher but a light biped with rifle could have a much easier time. If they do have a system like this I have a feeling that if a target continues to move in a given direction your AC will be able to lead shots.
The way they've described the combat really gets me excited. I expected souls-like combat, which is not what I wanted for an armored core game, even though I like Souls-like combat. Seeing that the combat designer from Sekiro was working on AC6, alleviated my fears, and I believe AC6 will be absolutely thrilling. I DO expect this game to be a bit more challenging than previous entries, I think to make combat more engaging you would need to have enemy types that demand some skill, I don't think FromSoftware in 2023 would let a game release without fun, engaging combat (Even though I felt Elden Ring was lacking)
Dont worry it wont be souls like. Only "souls like" things they're adding is big bosses (which apparently have health bars) And a stagger system so people wont turtle and things will have more depth
It looks like it'll feel like Returnal on steroids to me. Or rathar armored core formula with returnal paced gameplay set to 100. While as many people have tons of praise for it, that game was lacking the quality edge that FromSoft excels in. This game will easily be a masterpiece to anyone playing it. not just From soft fans and will definitely set s new bar for gameplay standards.
"the focus is not so much on aiming, but concentrating on movement. A description that can easily be made for dark souls combat and that not be so easily made for armored core" I dont think this is true? Armored core is a shooter with lock on. In fact, your not really aiming. Your keeping them in your lock on while firing missiles or ballistic weapons and focusing on boosting and mobility. Eg. AC:FA
How will dying to bosses over and over be comlatible with an AC mission structure which penalizes your income if you don't do well? Are we going to have negative credits since we are redoing bosses over and over?
Based on some interviews seems like we are dealing with a 4A style system so die as much as you like but will have deductions for repairs and ammo on mission clear
Maybe spare some belief for Yamamura (Seikiro game designer) too, seeing as how he's the actual Game Director on this project and Miyazaki hasn't been involved with the project for like 4 years.
@@KahlevN Unfortunately you're basically shouting into a void. "From Software" fans basically assume Miyazaki is the only and most important developer at the company. I wouldn't be surprised if some thought He founded it. I'm not sure when the Miyazaki worship started, but it's pretty bad.
@@JinTekyta everything he touches is gold. I thought Sekiro was one of the weakest entries so I don’t have faith in yamamura, but I do have faith Myazaki knew what he wants from AC6 and let him know.
Listen I like and played both games, and think the new one will be good, but the two are very fundamentally different in the way they play no matter how people paint it, people need to understand that they can still be a fromsoftware fan even if they end up not liking armored core, If anything AC6 borrowed from Daemon X Machina not souls
You are cherry picking. A few telegraphed enemy attacks aren't enough to make Vaati right. There are many instances in the trailer showing that you don't have to read boss moves or show that taking a hit is ok. Will AC6 have bosses with more telegraphed moves and requiring you to not go in guns blazing? Absolutely. But there are many games with more telegraphed attacks from bosses or more challenging bosses than old AC. Enemies whose moves you have to read. You don't see Vaati making videos on "is DMC a souls like?" "Are platinum games going to be liked by souls fans looking for more methodical boss fights?" In fact, speaking of Platinum, that's the vibe I was getting; platinum games vibe plus Daemon X machina vibes more than souls games vibe. Also, they added more mellee than past AC games but according to From, the focus is still mainly on ranged. So in the slightly modified words of Vaati: "Fuck you, we are still right."
By the way, Josh Strife Hayes and Writing for Games channels have uploaded videos about Armored Core controls, plot and their importance in the industry. Those are really interesting to watch!
I do feel that talking about Souls game from a strict gameplay perspective fails to capture the magic of those games. Plenty of "soulsborne genre" games have mimicked souls mechanics, but there is a reason I'm not interested in almost any of them. What I like about the Souls series is the lore and how it is told. This role of an "archeologist" that you play, and the act of exploring their worlds. The bespoke level design and environmental storytelling gives areas such a good sense of place. The interesting stories behind bosses and themes presenting through gameplay. If Armored Core VI has some of those elements then I'm 100% in, and would even prefer a different gameplay loop on top of that.
Armored Core has the same sort of obscure lore and esoteric story, generally though a key difference is that AC tends to rely less on environmental design and more on its mission briefings and email system. Though if the AC6 trailers are any indication, it will utilize it's environments more. Another crucial difference is that Armored Core tends to make references to real life history and real life politics. Armored Core is deeply and overtly political in a way that the Souls games simply aren't.
Respectfully, Souls games' storytelling and lore dumps are horribly done and by far the weakest part of any of their games. Fucking Nioh has a more engaging plot but that game has whole other issues. I simply don't get the appeal
@@friendlyghost9766 What?! respectfully, I think Nioh's plot is just shallow junk food. The characters are one-dimensional and poorly written and its' use of historical elements is incredibly superficial. It doesn't implement any unique or interesting ways to convey the story and just has cutscenes in b/w gameplay segments. No environmental storytelling. No meticulously placed enemies, that convey a story just by their location. no exploration of interesting themes etc.. if you don't get the appeal, then you don't get the appeal. But it's undeniably a part of its success and it's huge impact
@@INTCUWUSIUA I'm up for the different content of the story, i.e the political and historical references or themes. Just as long as they lean into their good environmental design. I'd prefer that to briefings and email because that sounds pretty passive to me. Finding significant things in the environment is what I personally like. But I don't know, neve played AC. sounds like you have. do you like its previous stories?
I was an AC fan way back during the AC 1&2 days. In more recent years I have fallen in love with FromSoftware's Souls-like games. My hype level is higher than Cheech & Chong right now.
Right? Armored Core VI couldn't have come at a better time. I only got into Armored Core at 2 back in early 2000s. I was a sucker for mecha and cyberpunk back then. 90s animes probably got me into that aesthetic. Played just about every game since then. There have been ups and downs with the series mostly due to how niche and relatively low-budgeted they were. But even then, there was NEVER ever another game like Armored Core out there.
I cannot express how much I am looking forward to AC6, as someone who has never played any of the series before. I'm a souls veteran and while of course I'm hoping to have that soulsy itch scratched by the boss encounters and exploration focus, I'm also just a massive sci-fi fan who ADORED the Mechassault games growing up. The idea of having sprawling sci-fi areas to explore and fight mechanical enemies in (even if in more linear mission form) while being able to customise a flexible modular mech in between missions is simply music to my ears. FromSoft haven't let me down in the decade I've been playing their games so far, and I doubt they will with this.
@@blumiu2426 they're console only, right? I'm basically only a pc gamer these days, all my old consoles are sold or in storage. Unless there's a decent emulator people recommend?
@Samuel Pearce-Davies I've emulated every ac game except gen 5. Gen 4 took a bit of patience to get to work (crashes here and there, sussy textures, and needed a fresh unupdated ps3 emulator to get 4a to work) and is why I'm not really itching to do ac5 cause there's not much single player anyway I've heard. I personally enjoyed ac1 the most and the rest were just extra filler but I wouldn't expect people to get used to the controls cause they are something that exists.
@@Spearced Correct, though some ports on PSP. Retroarch or Duckstation for the PS1 games and PCSX2 for the PS2 games. For Answer works on PCSX3, but good luck with Verdict Day. Recent patches put it in Playable status, which is to say barely. Crashes at the start a lot.
I mean, vaati wasn't saying it would have some soulslike elements or changes/updates to previous AC design. He straight up said it would be soulslike. He was wrong. Lots of the boss changes are natural evolutions of boss fights across the AC series. Having it be more of a challenging 1 v 1 and having to learn how the enemy moves and attacks.
The way I see it, I don’t want the Armored Core fan base to feel like their franchise is being changed to something they won’t like. I’d hate to think the popularity of one franchise will cause another to be altered beyond what it’s core elements began as. That being said, companies should have every right to iterate and adjust their formula to make something feel new while respecting the franchise’s roots. I trust Fromsoftware will find the balance between the two, and I hope the souls and Armored Core communities can come together and praise Fromsoftware for their continuous success and high quality games
tfw I played every Tenchu game before anyone gave a crap about Fromsoft, but Fromsoft and even Miyazaki have their own duds at times. I don't know why the fans treat Miyazaki like he's the first person to ever make a good game, like everything was crap until he came along. Even ratatoskr can fall into this pattern and unknowingly end up starting AC with AC4, one of the worst starting points you could possibly have imo, just because Miyazaki's name is on it. It even sometimes sounds like Souls was the first game anyone ever played, and now people just call themselves "Souls fans" instead of anything else (like gamer). "Will this be like Souls? Will Souls fans like this?" FFS everything doesn't need to be like Dark Souls for you to enjoy it. I'd argue even the second half of Dark Souls and the DLC was not like Dark Souls, but you probably still completed it.
I'm a souls fan, but mostly I'm a fan of well made games. I'm excited for AC6 on that basis- because if nothing else Fromsoft is one of few companies that knows their reputation for stellar games is their biggest asset.
I feel like a almost everything brought up in this video that "could be like souls" aren't even things that Souls exclusively created or popularized, and some of them were just taking ideas from the past AC games and just upping the ante on them to make them more interesting. Especially everything regarding bosses and pattern recognition which already existed in old AC games anyways, it just wasn't ALWAYS relevant. Pattern recognition in particular was very important in some fights against other AC's, learning when to dodge or change up your movement whenever they fired something at you, learning when you needed to start backing off if they begin to charge in at you to attempt a blade strike, or knowing the map/surroundings so you don't get screwed by bad positioning, that kind of thing. Its already there. Granted not all fights against other AC's were like that, but there were still plenty over the course of all the games in the series that required learning what made that particular enemy tick and ways you could deal with them, such as changing up your build. The big bosses are just taking Arms Forts or the massive MT's from past games and making them proper boss fights instead of massive hulking bullet sponges that just shoot a lot, that's just refining ideas from the past games. The biggest possible change from other AC games that isn't just refining old ideas is the aiming, and even then that could just be something similar to For Answer where aiming didn't matter too much as long as it was in your line of sight for a second, only this time the lock-on might just be instantly acquired as long as the target is in the lock box/reticle/general line of sight. It honestly feels like you and Vaati just WANT to be right instead of ACTUALLY being right.
I wouldn't expect much honesty from the same people who will talk at length about what souls is supposed to be but can't put together a single paragraph about what armored core actually is.
I think people will buy it and support it... But whether people play it long-term is another question, especially with DLC and multiple projects in the works!
I have been a armored core fan playing ps1,ps2, ps3, PSP and xbox 360. Glad for this video because i was thinking of preordering the game but now i will just wait and buy a used copy id like my souls and Armored core games to be very very sperate
Honestly, as a Soulsborne fan who has never played an AC game before, I'm most excited for making my own custom mech. I love builds and theorycrafting and IMO the most cool part of any setting with mechs is the mechs themselves (the intergalactic politics from settings like Gundam is a close second). Getting to make my own mech from a ton of very different parts and defining my own gameplay style really resonates with me. I recently watched Josh Strife Hayes's "Was It Any Good" video for AC1 and I'm honestly blown away how even a dinky old PS1 game had so much customization and interesting, meaningful options for making a powerful AC. If AC6 has the same degree of customization, or even more, then I'm going to be very happy and impressed. I think I'll also appreciate it more than customization options in Soulsborne because even with relatively easy respeccing, customization in Soulsborne games is intended to be long-term. That is to say, you're not really intended to make a build, do a level/boss or two, and then dramatically change your specs. Even in Elden Ring, where you get a lot of Larval Tears, if you respec after every area you'll probably either run out of Tears or be almost out by the time you reach Radagon/Elden Beast. Here, though, if it works anything like AC1, you can completely change your loadout between every mission so long as you have the cash to buy new parts (or if you find them from exploring during missions). Aside from the cost of buying the parts themselves there's no inherent cost to changing your loadout, and in fact there are strong benefits to doing so since two missions may require very different specs. An enclosed mission that involves fighting a lot of mechs might prioritize a bulky build with a lot of guns that can't fly well, whereas an open-air mission with a lot of ranged enemies and cover might prioritize a speedy, flying AC with heat-seeking missiles. From what I saw of AC1, and the snippets of other AC games I've looked at, your build is much more modular and there are a lot more benefits to thinking about different ways to accomplish your goals than there tend to be in Soulsborne. If that's true of AC6 then it's something I'll be really excited for, probably moreso than any Soulsborne game will get me excited for even if I prefer their overall style to the futuristic mech style.
Yea this is one of the things I love about this game. Armored Core 1 was a really really good start to the series and has become one of my favorite games. It's got such a great atmosphere as well on top of everything else. And I only played these games recently lol
After playing a bunch of Fromsoft games, I simply trust them too much to doubt that any game they make will be bad. Even if its not Souls, im sure I'll enjoy it.
I think another fundamental part of Souls Gameplay is exploration and Armored core's mission-based structure prevents the type of exploration that's fundamental to a souls game.
With the increased scale and verticality of the maps from what we've seen, I feel like there will definitely be some exploration in there, especially if there will be hidden parts that you can find like in the old games.
There was always some exploration in AC games, you could find new powerful parts hidden in tucked away areas of maps etc. So just like 90% of the things people are going to call out at examples of the game introducing "Souls" elements, it will just be stuff Fromsoft has had in their games since Kingsfield, but people who only played their Souls games are unaware of.
@KahlevN I would say "Exploring" like op is talking about verses looking around a random corner for a part isn't anything like wanting to check out this other part of the map cause you are compelled to explore. I don't care how cool these environments look (they look sick from this latest trailer) the player is not gunna be thinking about sight seeing, only if it's a tactical advantage to go there. The mindset will always be to complete the mission. That's not because areas aren't interesting but the whole premise of missions is there is no sandbox, you are here for 1 thing and that's it kinda mentality. Finding this hidden area won't open a new path, won't give you access to a new npc or shop. No unique enemies to fight (this one actually could be a thing and that would be amazing but I'm going of previous games) finding a new part just isn't the same thing, just a check list to cross off. Ironically old Ac games had hidden walls, I wonder if they would bring those back. But i do agree that most elements in this game will be mistranslated as being added from souls ganes that were already a part of ac 🤭
I played Armored Core way back in the day. It was hard but I remember persevering through the learning curve and I loved it. Reminiscent of the general design philosophy.
Just please please please approach it as its own thing. I see a lot of people fishing for the souls in ac and i think they're just going to be disappointed. Also i think the backlash came a lot from labeling things that have been staples of game design in general as 'souls like' the stuff you see in the trailer wouldn't be out of place in a zelda game
I thought Miyazaki said it’s not going to be anything like a souls game combat and game play wise but that they were going to put in some rpg mechanics
Yeah, what's most likely the case for ACVI is that it still uses traditional AC mechanics while certain elements, such as the new bosses, are more similar to a Souls game instead of the traditional AC/Massive MT/Arms Forts fights from AC games in the past. IMO ACVI changing targeting to be super generous would be a shame, FCS has been a key part of balance and building an AC for the entire series. Relegating it to either industrial waste or maybe even entirely changing its function to a more simplified version wouldn't fit into what is turning into a re-launch for a series with such history.
I’ve heard about fromsofts past armored core games and was never really interested in the mech genre so when I heard about another potential armored core games. I never thought I’d even try to play the game or give it a thought. then my uncle got me a game that he loved when he was younger called zone of the Enders 2nd runner that game made me realize how awesome mecha games can be. Now that the armored core trailer is out I’m so excited and actually want to try the game out
Yeah, people on both sides of this extreme are just being silly. Some people were literally saying it was going to be a Soulslike, and other were basically saying and hoping it would be like a modern AC1 reskin or something. It was always obvious that they would try to make an AC game that fit with modern gaming sensibilities, and use their experience gained over the last decade. That doesn't mean it's a Soulslike in even the slightest, so to say Vaati was "right" is way off. Both sides were wrong, because they both went to each extreme instead of something reasonable, but that's the modern online discourse these days, so I can't say I'm surprised.
@@KahlevN Pretty much agree with what you said entirely. I even called out Vaati and Ratatoskr on the childish "this proves I'm right and you're wrong" language he used in his videos. Making a modern AC game with updated gameplay standards and some combat elements of dodge timing does not magically make it "souls-like" nor does it make it a simple re-skin of AC1. That's why I responded in the first place and this video didn't sit right with me. Don't know why some folks here are being toxic in response.
@@imoutocompalexes! Someone who understands. When I heard the devs were finally making a new one I was very excited for what NEW they had in store. Videogame devs don't want to make the same stuff again and again. They always want experiment with how they can make their games better and fun, like new added mechanics. I mean, if the devs have been making these "Souls" games these last years, and they've turned out fun, I'm more than willing to see their mechanics in the new game :)
I'm so sick being gaslit. In the original Vaati video he did *not* just say there they may take some lessons from Souls and use them to design AC6 nor did Vaati say they the game might have some soulslike elements but will not be a soulslike. He said that there is "good evidence" that it will be soulslike , and the reference to "soulslike elements" is in reference to the leaker who came off as obviously not familiar with Armored Core as a series when the descrption game out. It was not in reference to Vaati's initial prediction in the video. I went back and checked when vaati released their latest video and I went back and checked now. If you guys just let it go it would just be a meme but now it is downright insulting, not to mention wrong. Yes, the game has more of a boss focus (edit: which we already knew so how is this a dunk?) than previous Armored Cores, which includes things like telegraphed attacks, although even ACV and VD had some telegraphed attacks but granted those game were coming out side by side with Souls games at the time. In terms of difficulty it is true that Armored Core varies a lot, but I'd say the tougher fights and games in the series, especially Last Raven, are on par with Souls bosses. Especially Final Zinaida who can be pretty brutal.
Oh and if "telegraphed boss attacks" makes your game a soulslike, then there are Mario games that are soulslike Yes they are learning and taking lessons from Souls games, just as they have learned lessons with all their games. Yes you might see some specific little elements like cluster bomb launchers resembling firecrackers, or even, you know, shields (though those have existed since like gen 3). But jumping does not make Elden Ring a Mario like, nor does having horses make it a red dead like. AC6 having jump pads does not make it an Elden Ring like, and having colossal bosses does not make it a Shadow of the Colossus like
@@christophertaylor6807 it is funny reading that they've 'added jump pads from ER' when the reality is they probably didn't know how to implement jump pads (and have it work seamless in a massive map etc) UNTIL ER. Now they can go on to use this in all their future games including ac6
Lock on is not a souls feature? Bruh people are hella dumb. Souls normies did not know of video games until dark souls lmao Anyway, half of the features in the ac6 trailer seem like they were brought over from For Answer. I didnt like ac5 or verdict day so im cautious about ac6.
It's not going to be a souls game. But it will have elements that From Software have spent a decade perfecting. And I expect AC fans and new players will love it when it comes out. It will be critically acclaimed.
The game will be amazing, but I still feel like both you and Vaati are being a little smug and arrogant with your "fuck you I was right" statement in this video. It's also not fair to be dismissive and say that this trailer undoes what Fighting Cowboy was initially saying either. I know you're not 100% serious and Vaati didn't actually say that in his video but still...Many people were more or less saying this months back:
"While the game may have generalized elements that are in line with Souls games, that’s because those existed in the franchise long before Souls did because they’re pillars of Fromsoft’s design language as a collective. But it’ll also have many elements that make it a radical departure from Souls games in it’s inherent design and structure as well as the overall and moment to moment gameplay loop that means it might not be to the taste of every Souls fan. Because it’s not Armored Souls, it’s Armored Core and there’s nothing wrong with that."
So Fighting Cowboy is still not wrong about what the game is going to be either.
Omnipotent, a pretty credible leaker also more or less confirmed this.
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And while sure, Vaati never said that it would be "Dark Souls with mechs", he did use loose, flowery language to treat the methodical vibe of souls combat as being similar to the super fast paced combat of classic armored core. And those are not the same thing. I still think he initially over sold it with his vague definitions of what components of combat would even classify Armored Core as inherently "souls-like." I don't believe there will be any types of "dance like" "parry heavy" "waterfowl dance" type fights in this game that equate to the main souls games. And people should not insist that it should.
So to kind of gleefully, remark "I'm being proven right by these trailers, you're all wrong" doesn't really come across as a fair and balanced take to me. Just my two cents. We don't have to agree.
@@imoutocompalex Hardcore AC fans went absolutely nuts and drew first blood when they harassed people over their opinions. They deserve to be mocked. You lost.
@@killerking2346
Most AC fans aren't toxic
And if we're gonna use the "some members of your fanbase are toxic so we will consider every one of you to be Toxic and Never respect you"
Point CAN easily be Used For the Souls games
Yes the Only Toxic memebers are a small minority which is why your point sucks
@@randalthevandal4170 Fight fire with fire. AC fans lost, get over it.
FightinCowboy saw his name in lights. Twas but brief
Yes. Me like fromsoft. Me play armored core
This, truly cultured video game for cultured video game enjoyerers
My thoughts exactly.
It really is that simple.
me agrees
Me like Robot.
I can't believe we had this months long debate that basically boiled down to whether a game studio could make 1 type of game for 10 years straight and somehow forget everything they learned from those games
The funny thing being the studio didn't make one type of game for 10 years straight. People just told themselves that Sekiro was a soulslike and forgot/ignored/didn't know about Deracine and one of the Monster Hunter spin-offs. If you want to get technical, Armored Core V: Verdict Day is included as well, since Dark Souls 2 came out in 2014.
Two armored core games were released post dark souls
@@RenegadeY And boy they sure made a splash, didn't they? lmao
@@unsungzero6122 ACV was the title that sold the most of the old gen; it got dropped by the player base because it erred way too much away from the usual formula (and the mech design is rather ugly on top of that) but it was still played for as long a spossible in multiplayer team-based.
@SethonanGaming I wouldn't say ACV was unlike other AC games any more than AC4 did. Just that AC4 was more surface level AC while ACV was more Aac at it's core, just done differently
I don’t believe Miyazaki is the unchallenged king of game developers, a true luminary.
I *know* Miyazaki is the unchallenged king of game developers, a true luminary and he is about to release the greatest mecha game ever made
Dude hasn't been involved with the game since 2018 though? Like, he said he's excited to play it along with everyone else.
I believe Miyazaki is the unchallenged king of foot fetishism, a true luminary.
King among masochists. Any feet he gets his grubby little hands on turn to gold.
@@Splitboltxful Ah yes, the Quentin Tarantino of game developers.
He only involved with early development but Yamamura, the game designer for Sekiro took over as game director.
@@nsomjimi Yeah, really sucks that Yamamura isn't going to get the credit he deserves for this game, just like he didn't with Sekiro. Really disappointed to see this message pinned when it completely misrepresents the person who is actually the lead on the project and doing more of the work. If even supposed hardcore Fromsoft fans can't get the information right, what chance does the general gaming public have of actually giving credit to the right people?
Some details from the famitsu interview
FromSoft were surprised by the western reaction to the announcement.
-Protagonist being silent is worked into the story as a consequence of them undergoing some Human Plus-like process.
-Re shields: " The shield also has a feature called "Initial Guard" that increases its output for about one second after deployment, so if you can read the enemy's attack pattern, you can use it in a wider range of situations." (I don't know what to make of this) (it's probably something like being able to parry the opponents with the Right timing)
-More aesthetic options for emblems, including textures and weathering.
-While melee combat options have expanded, the director stresses ranged combat is still the focus.
-Regarding multiplayer: Multiplayer is separate from the main story. Allows for PvP and trading of schematics and emblems
-the Single player arena is Coming back
-There is a "repair kit" item that can be used up to 3 times during missions.
-For the planning phase, they decided to put focus on "things a Mech can do that humans cannot do" (being able to use multiple weapons at the same time and dodging while attacking were given as examples)
Where did you find the interview?
Alright thanks
If they re add the daemon x Machina self repair kit. That is gonna be so damn annoying in pvp
A "repair kit"? Man that's sus.
@raynaldo arlen k.eman
The reddit translation I read Said that
Please provide me with the better translation so I can Spread the message
What people think when they imagine AC as a "souls game":
You boot up Armored Core 6.
You start a new game.
You select from a series of default AC units.
"Seek Coral to transcend human".
You spawn in the ruins of some collapsed megastructure.
Fight your way through the ruins of some long bygone sci-fi civilization.
Defeat MT's until you reach a fogwall.
Go through. Cutscene.
An old and rusted AC unit sits in the middle of an arena. Upon entering the arena, it reactivates, indicated by the glowing red light. Music swells, as the worn out remains of some bygone raven rises up one last time. Scene, and Boss Battle.
Despite being far from it's former glory, the ruined AC proves a challenging foe, and after several attempts, you finally bring it down.
You rest at the bonfire, and spend the coral you received on levels, putting all your stats into Arcane and Adaptability.
Ok but like damn, fighting an old, rusted AC that reactivated out of nowhere would be a cool ass fight though, I'm ngl.
@@SitranoSpire make i think theres only 1 AC that could do that if my memory is correct,and it would be pretty cool if the fight started and you could hear the only lyrics of it's theme song
"DESTROY NINE BALL"
Could do something similar to Nier Automata: You arrive to destroy an AC, only when you arrive you can't find it, there's only MT's around. Eventually either it reveals itself as what looked like a dead AC and activates to fight you or assembles itself from multiple smaller 'enemies'
So you could start the level and know where it is, and then see it hiding. I think an AC playing dead or reactivating as a result of something we do could be a really neat concept.
Here I am.
Ready to laugh maniacally when the newcomers get to see their Expense Reports.
Same lmfao
We'll be here, ready with our massive job payouts, to mop up all those tears 😂
That was me as a Ravenlet 😂. I played a bit of AC3 and was shocked that apparently you can't just unga bunga into a horde of enemy ACs and piss your ammo away without getting into abject poverty.
And get into debt!
We're gonna have alot more Human+ on our hands
I love that From has enough money now that they can make a modern game in an essentially dead genre just because they want to, as a passion project. Hope it does well and revatilises this style.
Kingsfield reboot would be refreshing.
@@murray821 A really dope Kings Field, with all the level design, know how and mechanics from modern Fromsoft would actually be so sick.
@@temocred7400 and we should name it “return of the king”
@@temocred7400 I’m not sure about first person mode but that would be true to the original.
@@murray821 Isn't that all they've been releasing for the last 10 years?
"These aren't games that have an emphasis on difficulty"
*Laughs in Armored Core Last Raven*
Yeah the only way I could see someone playing an AC game and going "man these games are easy" is if they only ever played AC3, AC4, and 1 or 2 playthroughs of For Answer on normal mode, without doing a third playthrough to do the "oh fuck its a 4v1" mission (5v1 on hard mode.)
Last Raven has some brutal moments if you aren't ready for it. It also has a lot of "noob traps" that will catch people completely off guard if they are just starting out.
Master of Arena's final mission and final boss is some shit too, 3 nineballs (2 of them at the same time) followed up by Seraph who is always on the move and is incredibly fast.
Cuz some armored core aren't difficult unless they play last raven, for answer (hard mode), master of arena or even another age
@@GamersBlogX Moa, Another Age, Last Raven imo were the most Merciless
@@GamersBlogX "if they only ever played AC3, AC4, and 1 or 2 playthroughs of For Answer"
Dunno about the 1 or 2 playthroughs part, but hey, guess which games he explicitly said were his only experience with the franchise!
@@angrytigermpc One of the ending missions in For Answer is a 4v2 that quickly turns into a 4v1 because your teammate dies near instantly into the start of the mission and does basically nothing. On Hard mode this same mission is a 5v2 that turns into a 5v1 just as quickly.
You can easily gloss over it because the only way to get that ending is by taking the mission where you shoot down 100 million people, and most people likely wouldn't do that on playthrough 2. It is a brutal mission to pay back your brutal actions.
As a fan of Monster Hunter I'm excited for the customization and mission based progression. I'm curious how those compare.
They don't, but perhaps as much as customization can compare to another. Changing your loadout will be necessary with certain missions and you will get no heads up to this fact, unless mission briefings go into more detail, which I doubt.
Kind of similar.
Both are mission based games on a smallish map. Both have tactical Soulsborne type combat. Boss battles being a focal point. Grind maps for stuff to do customisation.
The duality of man at work I see. Very nice.
The differences between mh and ac is that in AC you have everything and you have to choose what you want/need to succeed and mh is always about getting stronger by getting better armor with the slots you need. With the exception of maybe needing guard up or something.
There is some puzzle solving at first but it's there to optimize your build not completing change what skills you bring.
Usually you have everything you need on your build already with maybe one or two skills needing to be swapped out for different monsters or swapping element.
AC you do unlock parts which can be better but it's more about solving a puzzle to accommodate the weapons you need to bring for each mission as weight is the main factor. The missions are designed to have you engage with the garage or brute force it and have a unfun time. (Some games are forgiving)
In the older games like ac1 and maybe 2 it was closer to mh because money was also a resource that slowly let you become stronger untill you could afford really good stuff and good parts. But the puzzle solving was always there. Later games you get money very fast.
In 6 i suspect it will be closer to mh because there looks like some really interesting weapons you can have that will let you keep your current build and just change a few things to adapt to each mission. Maybe you'll have to be forced out of the tank playstlye and have to dodge for these bosses but it will probably be more of a swapping of different boosters or something im just guessing how theu expect you to survive some of this stuff without being bipedal. But i doubt they'd screw the other playstyles that hard
Armored core was also fit for nioh fans if they like complex controls, weapon variations and aggressive combat
"It's much more easier than soulsborne" laughs in Last Raven.
Typical Soulstuber talking-out-of-their-ass L
PTSD intensifies
I trust From Software and I've never played an armoured core game, so I will be giving it a try. I trust that everything in the game will be thoughtful and intended. If it doesn't work for me I will still have a new experience and be supporting a studio I respect.
This.
Yes, it is already a Win-Win situation.
Exactly. Fromsoft doesn't miss. Period. The worst they could do is make masterpiece in a genre that turns out not to be for me.
This! From Software is the best in the game and have never let me down!
Actual sheep in this comment section. You all follow like good cattle
The key point I took away from this video is "I WANT TO BE RIGHT."
Half of the things that are said to be "souls-like" in both this video and Vaati's recent one, are vague ideas that have really existed for ages before Souls, or just refinements on old ideas already in the Armored Core series.
haven't we been learning patterns through repetition since we put a quarter in and played Donkey Kong in 81
@@SpottedHares Maybe even before that.
@@SpottedHares Soulstubers have reached "almost all games are technically RPGs because they're GAMES where you PLAY the ROLE of a character XD" levels of reaching.
Here I was thinking we were past comparing souls games based on generic stuff.
Oh well, guess AC6 will be the dark souls of AC games.
@@SpottedHares The question really is how much emphasis is put on that though. There are many skills you can "test" in video games besides learning patterns through repitition.
For example Doom Eternal also has enemies with attacks, it even has bosses, but learning their exact attack timings and patterns is not nearly as important as learning movement, weapon swaps, weakpoints, aim, prioritising targets etc. The enemies also have very simplistic attacks. Doom Eternal has a fairly low emphasis on learning patterns through repition. The important "patterns" are a lot more abstract.
With all-due respect AC Verdict Day had bosses with telegraphed attacks (albeit a bit janky) also making a comment on AC difficulty without playing Last Raven is a bit odd.
Tbf wasn’t that game balanced around importing an ac from a previous game?
@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime Regardless of if you imported an AC the game is absolutely brutal.
@@Thisisthegreatestatofalltime Not really. The game starts you off with a decent chunk of change and huge number of purchasable parts. You can also restart from the beginning of the mission timeline and keep all your money and parts so you could have more than enough money to buy enough parts to experiment and get better.
I think the real issues is the term souls-like as it applies to Fromsoftware games. I personally wouldn't consider Sekiro a souls-like but shares a lot of stuff. AC6 will be a very Fromsoftware type game. We should really drop the Soulsborne stuff and talk about Fromsoftware games like we do for Bethesda where all the games share DNA regardless of IP. And personally as a old AC fan I'm still heavily against slapping the Soulsborne label on AC6 but I'm exited for the new additions to combat.
@@DryMirage Exactly but unfortunately saying "its not souls-like but will have souls elements" is kinda awkward like I understand what people mean when they say that but just say it'll be more of a modern Fromsoftware title its easier to understand and removes any souls-like confusion.
@@Subject19-b6b "Soulslike" is an incredibly silly term people use to envelop everything as its convenient and absolutey muddied gaming discussion. I've seen it used in MULTIPLE ways and people flipflop on what they mean in between people having different interpretations. Anyway I see these terms.
1. "Soulslike" meaning to lift from Souls unabashedly like Code Vein down to near 1:1 transplants of everything in those games, bonfire, estus, souls pick up and leveling, the works. Combat is what you think it is when you hear someone mention "soulslike" in this context, probably rolling around and conserving stamina to hit the boss at opportune moments while avoiding their own combos (not unique to Souls when put into terms like this but I'm sure you get the framing when you imagine the average Souls boss fight, playstyle withstanding when you walk through the average fog gate). I see people applying this to different degrees as well when it comes to things like Sekiro in the 3D action rpg framing where people would debate if its truly a soulslike.
2. "Soulslike" meaning it'll be difficult, have bosses that may require trial and error with plenty of strategization and builds, a bleak story featuring a decaying world/atmosphere and subtle storytelling, you actually see this when you google Soulslike on wikipedia. But these have been consistent to many of their entries. They're called iconic hallmarks of the Souls series but it's always been part of many of From's catalogue. Side Note: Hollow Knight is pretty funny in this regard as its sandwiched between the two big hotwords "Soulslike" under this working defintion and "Metroidvania" which is another term with this same issue. Lets not even go onto the other layer where people have discussions about if Souls is a "metroidvania-like".
3. "Soulslike" more recently after all this stuff with the interviews, meaning to have more elements in modern gaming conventions brought in from the last ten years of making Souls games when they said they'd build upon past experience. Now this is where I can think people can just mix and match wtf they want to say as this could extend to anything. Anything from including more pre-boss checkpoints, more intuitive controls, anti-frustration features, etc. I see the opporunity to critical shot on stagger/low health being a "soulslike" element here under this definition when that shit has been everywhere, MH/DMC come to mind but nobody would call that a soulslike, hopefully anyway.
Tbh I don’t even know what souls-like means but Sekiro feels unmistakably similar to their other games (in a good way). For example the one thing that From does really well with their movement is that turn on a dime feel while still having weight to the animations and overall movement which while being so simple is something so many games mess up
Since the focus is on range, I find it hard to put it in the souls-like category. Swords and shields were already a thing in the older titles. Them adding special moves and mechanics to flesh those aspects out only makes sense in a modern release. But I will admit the bosses seem very much souls-like. Giant bosses are a staple of the Armored Core series, however these boss fights are definitely reminiscent of prior souls titles.
@@derrickmiles5240 I agree about the bosses being the only thing souls-ish but honestly then are Zelda bosses Souls-ish since both require pattern recognition and taking advantage of openings?
Telegraphed attacks existed in Armored Core for years, just not nearly to the degree of Souls. Overboosting had a clear startup look and sound, often back cannons will unfurl and, depending on the game, the AC may kneel. How missiles fly towards the player can give them a chance to mitigate, if not fully avoid, them, either through evasion or activating missile interceptor units. Even charging Gen V's Overed weapons can be seen as telegraphing an attack. I've seen a couple people mention how Souls-y it is to see the AC dodge those 3 times even though it's not exactly new to AC.
Again, Souls was much more pronounced when it came to telegraphing attacks, but it wasn't non-existent in AC. Some of the stuff they learned from Souls will be applied to AC6, but it isn't necessarily new to AC in general.
As far as difficulty goes... based on the games you said you finished, it's safe to say you don't quite have a full grasp of AC difficulty. Not to say all AC games are hard, but AC4/FA is, by some, considered 2 of the easiest games in the series. 3 also isn't particularly difficult. But then you have Last Raven or Verdict Day, which would be the two hardest games in the series (although VD at least gave you ways to mitigate difficulty).
And the notion of concentrating on enemy movement and looking for the right time to attack... that *can* be applied to previous AC games (certainly helped me for some certain fights in Last Raven).
TL:DR: A lot of the stuff they have learned from Souls and being applied to AC aren't all new to AC, and has can be seen in previous games. Said things may have been more pronounced in Souls, or otherwise done in a different way. But I'm not denying that they did learn some stuff that can totally be applied here.
Don't tell the Soulstubers that, they'll shit all over AC franchise staple elements despite having only partial experience with the games.
If my information is correct, Nineball Seraph is gotta be Fromsoft's most hardest boss ever made right?
@@moisesezequielgutierrez I mean, there's white glint
@@moisesezequielgutierrez After playing through 1-3, Nineball Seraph was hard, but that was in Master of Arena, since you fight 3 Nineballs before fighting him, his appearence in Nexus is easier since you fight him 1v1 this time.
Zinaida from Last Raven is arguably the hardest boss in the series.
I completely disagree with the conclusion that "yes, Vaati was right, they're bringing Souls elements to Armored Core, because theyre bringing telegraphed attacks, that they might be increasing the difficulty" or any of the reasons he mentioned, becauss i also disagree thats the *only* thing that defines a souls game.
What if instead they had said that they brough a combat designer from Capcom that worked on Devil May Cry to help them with bosses, especifically, and telegraphed attacks. Does it mean that just because bosses have more modern takes on bosses and telegraphed attacks that the game is more "Devil May Cry"-ish? No, becsuse its not just the bosses that make a DMC game, and its not the same elements that make a Souls game, those ganes have many other aspects that are aprt of their experience that taking just a fraction lf that and still comparing them doesnt feel right to set expectations. It's all in how people try to compare games.
Yes, they're bringing their experience with recent titles to armored core, yes that will probably make souls fans more likely to enjoy an armored core game than ever before, but to just try to compare it to souls still feels disingenuous to a series that has a lot more going for it. Telegraphed moves on hard bosses are not intrinsically something souls. It is something that they lesrned with souls, and it is fair to tell people that just judging past games will not give the full picture of what AC6 will offer, but to compare it to souls still feels wrong. It's like comparing Valorant to Call of Duty. Yes, they might have similar things going for it, theyre first person shooter games, you aim, tou shoot, you have a team, but those are not enough to compare them as similar experiences, or say "oh hey, this new game, Valorant, has Call of Duty-like mechanics", it wouldn't make any sense.
So, if someone is talking about game elements like better boss designs and just calling them "Souls-like", i would probably tell that person to try playing other games so that they can see thats not really what "Souls-like" means, because thats just a shallower description of the genre. It's why some people got disappointed with Sekiro for not being souls when it's offering a different experience, even if it has bosses with telegraphed moves. Is Sekiro a souls-like? I also dont think so. Does it have "souls-like elements"? I think it has influences from souls, which is natural, but that is not the full picture of the experience. Hence why some people still got disappointed by it because of expectations.
So, going for "hey, people said i was wrong, look now! Telegraphed attacks!" as if he was proving a point still doesn't make much sense to me, and he probably still needs to adjust his terms.
Souls are not really the first to have bosses with telegraphed attacks. We can have examples of those like DMC3. Souls is not the first one with intricate level design that has shortcuts and having the player explore an area, Resident Evil did that first. But what Souls did was take those game elements and put them in a *package,* and that package is what made them souls. Because they formed a new identity, that's what Souls is. Not one element, the *sum of its parts.*
I think it's fair to say a game is "souls-like" when it brings elements together that make it gets closer to what a Souls game is. But we don't have enough information *yet* to call Armored Core a Souls-like. It could end up being one, but we can't just throw terms around because those terms have weight and they can set expectations, and if we keep just throwing those terms around then we can end up with the "this is the Dark souls of X" type of thing all over again and that's a really bad way to describe games, so let's not even come close to that.
I enjoy your content , keep it up \o/
There's a difference between gatekeeping and tempering expectations. I'd like to believe that, every time I've spoken about AC6 to Souls fans, I was taking the latter, not the former. I welcome Souls fan to explore AC6, but it wouldn't surprise me if a significant number concludes that "it isn't for them". That's fine, sometimes a game just isn't for you.
The interviews have already confirmed mission-based design (not open world), where you will likely be paid based on your performance at the end of a mission. With that in mind, it's LIKELY the old AC games in structure: no healing/repairs mid-mission, no reloading, no bonfires, no replenishments. A mission is basically an endurance test of your skill and what you chose to bring with you.
There was also an interview revealing that AC6 has multiple endings. If all goes as I expect it, the narrative intrigue isn't about a deeper background lore and its implications. Rather, it's a striaghtforward, battlefield radio-drama about a few key choices that you make along with completely faceless corporate and mercenary contacts over radio. The mech itself is the most facial identity you'll get from a character.
I think most if not all ac games have had multiple endings, most notably for answer, which had very different story branches
@@RenegadeY Nah so far (and I've played seven of these bastards) only 1 had multiple endings. It's my understanding that yes, Silent Line and Last Raven have multiple endings, along with 4 Answer, but the majority don't
Remember in an earlier video, Fromsoft explicitly mentioned that soulsbornering had no inspirataion on AC6?
I think the community needs to realise that Fromsoft definition of Souls is fundamentally different from what the community think souls are...
True. Froms also said and confirmed that Sekiro isn't souls yet because it share some DNA... Here we are.
@@TrickyMellow Sekiro is closer to Tenchu than souls yet Souls fans are really annoyed when we said those
That's because "Souls-Like" is a nebulous I'll defined term that's throw around with the lazy haphazardness of Metroidvania.
Nothing here meant this is going to be like Souls, Souls games don't own the trademark on attack tells and boss patterns and shit.
@@j0k3r84 Thats because they've never played tenchu, the traversal aspect alone makes it clear as day
@@aureateseigneur5317 the only thing about souls combat that is distinct is using the shoulder buttons for offense/defense. But hmmm I wonder what series did that first 😅
Dude; "finding the correct windows to attack" has always been part of Armored Core, it's called Target lock on, when your reticle turns red. The "right window to attack" is while the reticle is red colored, as that means you will surely hit; the trick is doing that while also flying around the stage dodging bullets and missiles.
A lot of people are grasping at anything to compare AC to souls games. It's like a weird addiction they have, I don't get it.
Yeah yeah keep coping
Yes I will surely hit when the reticle is red. Otherwise my grenade rifle ammo is depleted, I can't beat the enemy AC and I would need to restart the arena match for the 7th time.
That's not what this is refering to. It's the big ass bosses with their big ass wind-up moves. It's a little confusing, as we're used to just being able to fly away and shoot the big bad bosses from a distance while doging the occational missile barrage.
But if we're going to get something between 3rd and 5th gen movement, with 4th gen quick boost, I could tots see some bosses acting a lil like those Dark Souls ones.
@@GrievyRZ Not only with the boost, but the with the fuel management. I could be wrong, but I doubt we'll be seeing 4A levels of fuel efficiency. Which definitely will make us grounded a bit more. Even 3rd generation could get pretty nutty with fuel efficiency when you achieve some of the later end generators and radiators.
I guess another way the game will keep us in a boss fight is by giving the boss more deadly ranged attacks than melee attacks, encouraging the player to get up close into the boss' blindspots rather than out in the open.
The mech community just gets thrown around like used garbage, then occasionally gets a jem and we all scramble from our bunkers and eat dat shit up
Don't forget to be grateful when some other community tries to come in and take what little scraps you get thrown.
"You believe that From Software has never made a bad game."
Nah, I've played Ninja Blade.
I still own my copy as a little reminder of Fromsoftware worst game imo
I beg to differ; those types of attacks were always there in AC; the difference is they are not as obvious, because AC leans more towards actively getting out of the way vs reactively dodging. AC has had bosses in the past, but the focus is in killing them fast through explosive firepower or constant barrage of attacks, not through stats, but through mech design.
Other type of bosses is attacking weakpoints while dodging overwhelming defenses; or straight up fighting other mercenaries' AC build.
Hence the insistence of them slowing down ths speed of the game but still focusing on mobility to overcome attacks.
3:03 "these aren't games that have a huge enphasis on difficulty. You can get by with a mediocre grasp on how everything works"
Ohhh you sweet, sweet summer child xD
7:15 "Vaati and I were gaslit. You guys were wrong and we were right" *unintelligible smug squirrel noises*
Soulstubers
Smug assurance that their favorite video game subgenre is the epitome of game design and all games should be just like them
Name a more iconic duo.
@@angrytigermpc Souls Haters + Sub 90 IQ are a pretty iconic duo
@@accnt456 Aye. Maybe we can call it a trio and tick all the boxes.
@@accnt456 Go play Armored Core 1 right now and beat the final level without a guide.
@@hayaokakizaki4463 Why would I want to do that? I don't go out of my way to play unrefined, inferior games. I don't play King's Field because its old and unpolished. If I wanted to play AC I would play 3,4 or 5. Or even better, 6 lmao
Fighting the same enemy repeatedly to understand their moves and pattern so you can overcome them with a combination of assessment, skills, and possibly a better loadout(assembly)? That has literally been in every AC game I've played.
It happened when we met the Unknown Controller's AC in the lab mission and other missions, weird Lobster looking unidentified MT, and the large towering MT in AC3.
It happened when we met the unknown fat AC in the burning AI lab and that annoying stealth using AI AC in the satellite mapping mission in AC Silent Line
It happened when we had to fight that off brand "Nineball Guardian" in ACNX
It happened when we had to fight every type of Pulveriziers in AC Last Raven
It happened when we had to fight Aretha in AC4.
It happened when we had to fight fall the Arms Forts in ACFA.
It happened when we had to fight all the Unidentified Weapons(Exusia, L.L.L., TypeD, Raijin, Saint Elmo, To-605A, Grey Lotus, LiV, N-WGIX/v, etc) in ACV and ACVD
Notice I haven't even mentioned the HUNDREDS of AC battles(both straightforward 1:1s in the arena and VERY situationally set up ones in missions) that are sprinkled in every AC game.
Hard, repetitive boss fights that require the player to 'git gud' by assessing the situation and the enemy is NOT an invention of the Souls Games.
A Soulstuber misrepresenting something that isn't a Soulslike based on incomplete information?
Say it aint so
2:36 i wouldnt agree with you on that. In 4 and FA maybe yes, but the older games, 5 and VD, expects you to fail unless you tackle it the way the game wants you to
In 5 and VD, bosses were more telegraphed than the ones that came before
I played AC 1 & 2 a loooonnnggg time ago... but i loved the building aspect and getting new parts and weapons... it may be nothing like the Soulsborne games but if they take what they've learned from those games and also put in the resources needed it will be worth playing just because they make great fluid games...I believe they want to branch out a bit more so this game is very important to them
I think they will add a few boss type big mechas but the vast majority of bosses will be fellow AC units..I hope we get at least 100 ACs to fight in the arena battles...Replaying Master of Arena again this week on my ps1
@@darkkingastos4369 I think people forget that arms forts, and big boss battles were a thing in AC4, V, VD way too often. Not saying they weren't in earlier games
There are ways to make the argument that FromSoftware is implementing positive aspects and traditions that they've had in the souls games and AC games that won't make AC fans mad. I've made a short series out of it on my channel, personally, but the issue is Souls fans don't come at it from a place of understanding that Demon's Souls onward carried over a lot of design elements they've been utilizing for decades.
Vaati acts like AC is taking notes from Souls, when it's been the other way around since the beginning, and now we get to see what a well funded, and more experienced FromSoft will do with a beloved franchise.
You can't blame us oldhead AC fans for caring, and not wanting Souls to take credit for what was already a fantastic set of games.
hi. you're completely wrong about this? as a long-time fan of armored core, the entire sequence of repetition, learning tactics of a boss, learning an approach to a level, refining your clashes with single enemies and learning their timing and attack patterns, all of this may be the core of souls, but it is also (and always has been) the core (no pun intended) of Armored Core. While this is only a part of the gameplay in the "core" AC games, with some levels being more scouting missions or escorts or puzzle encounters, a great deal of focus is on the combat and replaying missions to master that combat. Entire releases in the series (Master of Arena, Nine Breaker) have been made with a sole obsessive focus on the mastery of 1v1 mech combat, learning tactics and timings, and perfecting your approach to single encounters before moving on.
i understand your "ive beaten several games" shpiel but you've beaten AC3, the easiest of the main line games, AC4, which was a total divergence from early AC and a response to Zone of the Enders (evinced by the almost fourth wall breaking wink and nod that is "Kojima Particles"), AC4's spinoff, and parts of AC5. I'm not sure any of those games had the strong focus on Core vs Core and arena combat that the earlier entries did.
the telegraphed attacks that you're saying "would look out of place in any of the armored core games [[you've]] played" and the existence of large bosses are both a major part of For Answer's Arms Fort fights and famous fights with gigantic opponents in earlier AC games... I'm now just getting confused.
Almost all the telegraphed attacks are at ground level in the video, it only makes sense if flight is limited or just in short burts
By the way, Josh Strife Hayes and Writing for Games channels have uploaded videos about Armored Core controls, plot and their importance in the industry.
Those are really interesting to watch!
@@mattb6616 actually "Kojima Particles" was named after FS employee, Yuzo Kojima 🤓
Telegraphed attacks aren’t indicative to a souls game. I hope that fromsoft stays true to the formula of armored core. I’ve never played AC so I wouldn’t know. What were the previous ones like? Almost dynasty warriors like?
Nah, not really hack and slash. I'd say it be more accurate to compare them to Unreal Tournament than Dynasty Warriors. Zipping around, blasting each other. Occasionally using cover but not really (unless it was ACVD). I would say Virtua-On if you know what that is. Kinda like that but faster and with customization and more weapons.
Most Armored Core games weren't really about reacting to enemy attacks but acting in a way that reduced the chance of them hitting you when they are attacking. Most of the time you will be taking hits from small fire like machine guns and lasers. But you want to save your maneuvers for the big railguns or plasma launchers or missile barrages.
please let AC fans have their game, they had to wait almost a decade for another installment, please don't ruin it for them.
Tbh im already expecting the pvp scene to be trash, just based on elden ring
No one is ruining anything for anyone. None of this will have any impact on the game. Besides, I'm pretty sure most of those Souls fans got the memo by now. I think it's fun discussing with them!
@@RenegadeY Weird thing is 4A had insanely good multiplayer, I don't know why Souls games have always had such a hard time with it. Maybe it's the way Souls combines single and multiplayer; From Soft doesn't really do that with Armored Core or A.C.E.
Is funny how the souls fans don’t understand that dark souls was created on the back of AC , y’all don’t even realize how much of AC dna is in Souls types
I dont see the issue with them incorporating souls like elements. I feel like some souls like elements will come to all of their games bc its in their dna. For instance, sekiro had souls like elements but consistently set itself apart as a different experience. I doubt from software will drop the ball on this one.
I always thought that Souls combat could be the best real-time combat system, but needed more polishing to be incorporated in other types of games. But then Sekiro came in and made It definitely perfect. I think now it's ready to be adapted freely to other games with a more fast passing gameplay.
He didn't say there's an issue with it. Hardcore AC fans don't mind From Software incorporating Soulslike elements. They don't want it to be a Soulslike game, though, which is a different thing. And they thought Vaati was saying he wanted AC6 to be a Soulslike game. But if the game retains its AC core, they don't mind if it also includes some elements from Dark Souls.
Indeed. People have it fixed in their head whatever they do belongs to the Dark Souls games, despite the fact Souls games took things from AC and King's Field. They incorporate what they learn in to games if they fit.
I think the problem comes from the fact that we're calling them "souls like elements" to begin with. Sure it was Fromsoft that popularized most of the design, but its not found exclusively within their line of ARPGs. Over the years, much of it has been applied to a wide variety of genre. Think of all the great games that have come out over the years, and how many people have said "Its the Dark Souls of___!", when they actually have little to nothing in common. It's funny at first, but it has and will cause confusion, and trick people into thinking a game is something that it's not.
People like you are funny.
Sekiro is just the same as DarkSouls as Bloodborne is. A few changes to add a twist to the combat. Bonfires, estus flasks, death mechanics etc.....
Built on exactly the same foundation.
Ratatoskr clearly you never participated in playing last raven or for answer where you get stuck in that 2v5 hard(1.5 v 5) or 2v4 easy mission. Difficulty climbs with LR.
So telegraphed attacks and grabs are souls exclusive now?
According to them lock on is also souls exclusive now, exploration too.
Seriously, I was learning boss attack patterns in games well before Demon's Souls even existed.
Love the games, but some fans really need some perspective.
With that line of thought then there is nothing that makes, mechanically, souls games different from any other game. Yes, most bosses in videogames have telegraphed attacks and mechanics that you learn through trial and error is how Fromsoftware executes this that differenciates it, they're applying that flavor of boss combat to a game franchise that didn't had it before. Don't be obtuse guys.
@Aurwenn We aren't, there's nothing here to hint that they applying a Souls style of combat pace and design to Armored Core, having a track patterns and tells doesn't mean they are impkenting that design philosophy because those are the generic terms for "good combat design" that the vast majority of combat focused games follow.
@@Aurwenn People are saying it's Souls-like because of telegraphed attacks and patterns.
These are not exclusive to Souls, nor do they make a game more Souls-like.
Otherwise we'd devolve into saying things like, "Elden Ring has become more Mario-like by adding a dedicated jump button."
No one would say that earnestly.
This reminds me of someone telling me that Bloodborne can't be considered horror because it doesn't have puzzles...
To be fair, he put "Armored Souls" right in the thumbnail. Heavily suggesting a Souls like game but just with mechs. Of course AC6 will have SOME Souls elements in it but not to the extent of calling it Armored Souls like he did.
I don't know about calling telegraphed and dodgeable attacks a unique Souls like feature. That's stretching it, since while From popularized reaction based combat in modern gaming, they did not invent it.
I never played an AC game and I feel nothing about the series, but I like mechs so I'm on-board a mech game made by From Software with a post-Elden Ring budget. I won't go crazy over it but it could be a good time!
aaaa yes we all know Nintendo copied from soft way back in 81 when we need to jump over the barrels rolling right at as.😭
To see you learn and become one with Armored Core is pretty awesome. Even got the good ost during your vid xD
Back to the point, this is to be expected. The director is of Sekiro, and changed the Souls formula to make its own kind of game. Fast paced and mastering mechanics of your own style is the name of the game. It fits Armored Core, especially when the series is about pilots taking down clever pilots in even stronger mechs. And if the story is like AC4/For Answer, there is will probably be the biggest wave of lore this year.
One of the best things about Armored Core is outside of certain boss battles, you aren't actually fighting someone in a better mech. They could very well be in a worse mech than you. And if you go for round 2, you can absolute obliterate them by targeting their armor weaknesses.
2:36 i like...
I haven't even played that many i can still see the problem with that sentence.
For anyone not in the know every numbered title has several sequals aside for 4 and 5 which only have one sequal. And he's played less than half of them.
Every gen of AC games does have its own feel, I wish he said more about his time with the games to give more context as to his time with the games.
I lowkey feel bad for FromSoft. They've created such a phenomenon with Soulslikes that everything else they produce will be criticized for not being one. I feel like AC6 will be review bombed by entiltled Souls fans, who will dislike it purely because it doesn't fit their niche. People forget a good game is a good game regardless of the genre. But FromSoft will surely take elements or design philosophies from Souls in their future projects. It would be stupid not to.
I wouldn't say everything else they produced will be criticized for not being one. People convinced themselves that Sekiro was a Soulslike, and people either didn't know or didn't count Deracine or the Monster Hunter spinoff. Not to mention the multiple games made between Demons and DS2.
AC6, unlike the other games, is too big to ignore. Now, *that* will be criticized for not being souls, I agree.
What. How in the world did you ever come to feel this? Because some random people on the web said, "Oh, so it's like Dark Souls with Mecha!"????
@@GrievyRZ If people can be told that it isn't Dark Souls with mechs and come out thinking "Yeah it's Dark Souls with mechs", then I can be pretty sure some people will dislike it for not being souls.
@@RippahRooJizah oh. Like that. So the Dark Souls fans will be told "This game will be like Dark Souls". But then they end up with an AC game, (which I'm guessing is very different) and get dissapointed. This is honestly so confusing, it's been a while.
@@GrievyRZ I'm not under the impression that it'll be every Souls fan, but, yeah, some are under the impression it's going to be Mech Souls. I know there was another video where a guy outright stated that Fromsoft said it isn't going to be a soulslike... but it was going to be and that FS was, and I quote, "in denial". Granted he did explain that Souls took some stuff from AC, but then stressed that means AC6 is totally taking things from souls.
It gets really weird.
I'm just going to point out that you only played the easiest AC games haha, you're not beating ACLR without a complete understanding of the games mechanics and a lot of training. The repetition is there in AC, it's just less about evading attacks and more finding builds and weps that can survive a difficult AC encounters
AC6 adding souls boss design on top of this is great. And yeah there will be a lockon mechanic.
Last Raven was basically the introduction to difficulty and challenge, but I think they're were other games that had that like tenchu, Evergrace and other titles under the radar. But just let those who became "Fromsoftware fans" through the Souls borne series give you their tears as you enjoy them going the same thing over and over again and going into the negative balance.
So months ago you were right too. I told you, you are still the Miyazaki whisperer.❤
Depends, if you are a Souls fan. Probably, but it isnt gonna be Souls like.
it gives difficulty at least with some bosses/character fights and tons of depth to your "character" and build with alot of options and tough combat.
It's an amazing series and I'm glad it's getting more love, I love it more then Souls and that's saying something.
If you are a "Souls fan" (the bandwagon players who "like" it but only when they're overleveled or abusing shit)
Then no. From what I remember, there is no abusing shit, there is no over leveled, plus this campaign will be solo so you cant get carried. You can farm parts day and night, but like Sekiro it just depends on how good you are.
Also Dont worry it wont be souls like.
Only "souls like" things they're adding is big bosses (which apparently have health bars)
And a stagger system so people wont turtle and things will have more depth.
Minus those bits theyve said, it will be just like the other AC games
Edit note GOD I HOPE THEY BRING BACK UNACS (unmanned ACs that u get to program) Basically build a buddy, because it was fun and i even made some that my friends ans some other players, couldnt beat
The UNAC System was goated
Oh they're adding health bars now? Thank fucking god dude. That's one of the BEST QOL improvements they could've added in and they did.
With a title like that I'm half expecting Miyazaki to give another interview just to smite you like the last time.
Look no offence but ur video is kinda misinformed like
- armored core bosses never had telegraphed attacks which is outright untrue since verdicts day last boss, IBIS from silent line, pulverizers from last raven, the internecine in last raven, 5s last boss, Phantasma in project phantasma, nineball seraph in master of arena, and the answerer from for answer all used telegraphed attacks
-finding the right moment to attack has been in Ac games since well the first one so I don’t why your calling it a new element from souls into ac which you also said u played some of them you should know that
-saying that it’s gonna have a dark souls like lock on is outright wrong since it would not work at all which you should know this since you played 3, 4, for answer, and 5 since dark souls lock on narrows/focuses the view of the players on the targeted enemy which severely limits visibility which would work horribly in ac
-not playing some of the most highly regarded titles such as 2, silent line, and last raven but making it look like you know what ur talking about kinda makes your point flawed as like I said in the telegraphed attacks incorrect
-saying these game aren’t difficult is clear to me you haven’t played master of arena, Another age, Silent line, or last raven since all three of those games are brutal and clearly you needed to play them before you did this video because no offence that is one of the most bizarre takes I’ve ever heard regarding AC lol
just a bonus and a huge criticism on how you responded to vats video that end bit where you pretty much told everyone who played ac and understand more than you by pretty much saying ur objectively right the entire time (which based off of interviews and even gameplay proves that you are wrong) not only makes u look like an absolute moron (I’m not insulting you just telling you the POV of people who adored and know these games will perceive you when you made that statement) but also make you look extremely poor in the eyes of others as well since you made that video about cowboy was right which made you look modest and gave people huge respect to you but you might’ve lost lots of it with that comment you made unnecessarily again this ain’t an attack just criticism
Vaati also said, “I’m expecting the worst, but hoping for the best” which is such a pessimistic take that I couldn’t finish his video.
He had to go actually play Armor Core first. His 2nd video is way better
Those aren't souls elements. Anyone who's played Last Raven knows that the game series had some punishing entries. 4 Answer, 5 and Verdict day all feature weapons with large windups that can one shot and MUST be dodged (motherwills cannons, the red chainsaw weapon from 5, the lancer prototype cores in 3, they've always been there and have countless iterations). Those aren't really unique to souls games. Kind of like how soulslike combat isn't even that unique to their own game since Monster Hunter has been doing it since the PS2, or how "darksouls hard" was just a mutation of "nintendo hard".
The point I saw from the AC fans in Vaati's video was mostly: chill out, not everything needs to be souls like, the whole genre has turned into a malignant disease that tries to takeover things that have nothing to do with it. I mean... we've had highly telegraphed AOE attacks since assault armor was introduced.
There's plenty for you souls fans to enjoy, but accept that its going to be an armored core game, and you guys are still fresh to that scene. Some of us been around since PSX. That "souls like" grab attack gave me flashbacks to AC3 more than it did any souls game. Just seems like a heavy reach.
Armored Core 2, Another Age, Silent Line and Last Raven are all very difficult games and I think absolutely harder than any of their titles since Demon's Souls.
Ironically armored core actually has a targeting format that in a since solves the problem that is sometimes seen in souls games. My guess is that now that we're entering an age of much better tech for game development we may very well see a camera format that not only doesn't screw you in certain angles, but allows you to focus fully on positioning and reaction, this would not only make the player more powerful, but also allows the devs to be even more devious with encounters. As someone who enjoys Elden Ring and Monster Hunter this very much has my attention.
Tbh was in the middle of playing mech games in general. I vaguely remember armored core and was thinking of picking up the old games. Then right around the corner armored core 6 was announced. So yes I'm excited
To hazard a guess on how the targeting system will work in 6.
I believe we'll have a mixed system from the series, a lock on system for close and close medium range and the traditional targeting box for long range weapons.
That's a pretty good theory. Would it switch modes automatically as you close in, or would it be manual you think?
@@derrickmiles5240 I think it would be manual lock on if we get to far back or the enemy moves beyond a certain speed(high speed bosses or if they have some kind of chaff dispensing equipment). I'm sure it will vary depending on the FCS.
You can't have a hard lock on system because turning speed is a fundamental design principle of every single AC game. It's a stat you need to build around like everything else.
@@dingusdangus9299 Well you could have a soft lock on system where the orientation of the mech lags behind the controls.
@@derrickmiles5240 That makes sense to me, lock on could be tied to fcs but the reaction to movement (tracking for aiming) would be a combination of the arm, leg, weapon, etc
A tank tread may have trouble tracking a moving target while a wielding grenade launcher but a light biped with rifle could have a much easier time.
If they do have a system like this I have a feeling that if a target continues to move in a given direction your AC will be able to lead shots.
The way they've described the combat really gets me excited. I expected souls-like combat, which is not what I wanted for an armored core game, even though I like Souls-like combat. Seeing that the combat designer from Sekiro was working on AC6, alleviated my fears, and I believe AC6 will be absolutely thrilling.
I DO expect this game to be a bit more challenging than previous entries, I think to make combat more engaging you would need to have enemy types that demand some skill, I don't think FromSoftware in 2023 would let a game release without fun, engaging combat (Even though I felt Elden Ring was lacking)
Dont worry it wont be souls like.
Only "souls like" things they're adding is big bosses (which apparently have health bars)
And a stagger system so people wont turtle and things will have more depth
@@SoulNinjaKen Big bosses were already a thing before Demon/Dark souls was... if you played Armored Core 4 or 4A, you'd know this.
@@SoulNinjaKen i hate it, those are soulslike elements.
It looks like it'll feel like Returnal on steroids to me. Or rathar armored core formula with returnal paced gameplay set to 100.
While as many people have tons of praise for it, that game was lacking the quality edge that FromSoft excels in.
This game will easily be a masterpiece to anyone playing it. not just From soft fans and will definitely set s new bar for gameplay standards.
@@gutskuroikenshi7646 even going so far back as AC3/AC3 Silent Line
"the focus is not so much on aiming, but concentrating on movement. A description that can easily be made for dark souls combat and that not be so easily made for armored core"
I dont think this is true? Armored core is a shooter with lock on. In fact, your not really aiming. Your keeping them in your lock on while firing missiles or ballistic weapons and focusing on boosting and mobility. Eg. AC:FA
Its not true for any of them, the only real aiming you do is with your lock box and with some dumb fire weapons
im from armored core to dark souls so it feels like coming back home 😊
They would be crazy not to incorporate the lessons they've learned from souls.
I dunno how they are gonna put i frames into a robot sim but we will see
How will dying to bosses over and over be comlatible with an AC mission structure which penalizes your income if you don't do well? Are we going to have negative credits since we are redoing bosses over and over?
Based on some interviews seems like we are dealing with a 4A style system so die as much as you like but will have deductions for repairs and ammo on mission clear
I just want Mechas to be mainstream again
Very interested. Never played AC but I’m a believer in modern From and Miyazaki.
Maybe spare some belief for Yamamura (Seikiro game designer) too, seeing as how he's the actual Game Director on this project and Miyazaki hasn't been involved with the project for like 4 years.
@@KahlevN Unfortunately you're basically shouting into a void. "From Software" fans basically assume Miyazaki is the only and most important developer at the company. I wouldn't be surprised if some thought He founded it. I'm not sure when the Miyazaki worship started, but it's pretty bad.
@@JinTekyta whole fromsoft worship u mean
@@JinTekyta everything he touches is gold. I thought Sekiro was one of the weakest entries so I don’t have faith in yamamura, but I do have faith Myazaki knew what he wants from AC6 and let him know.
Listen I like and played both games, and think the new one will be good, but the two are very fundamentally different in the way they play no matter how people paint it, people need to understand that they can still be a fromsoftware fan even if they end up not liking armored core, If anything AC6 borrowed from Daemon X Machina not souls
It will be the birth of a new genre , “AC-like”. Explosion of AC clones
I know this question is a bit unrelated to the video, but what is the music used in the background at around 2:10?
Overture from Armored Core 4, around 40 seconds in.
Most of the music in this video is from AC4's OST, you should go check it out! It rocks
@val1703 Thanks, definitely will give that Playlist a listen! Maybe will play AC 4 if I can find my old Xbox 360
You are cherry picking. A few telegraphed enemy attacks aren't enough to make Vaati right. There are many instances in the trailer showing that you don't have to read boss moves or show that taking a hit is ok. Will AC6 have bosses with more telegraphed moves and requiring you to not go in guns blazing? Absolutely. But there are many games with more telegraphed attacks from bosses or more challenging bosses than old AC. Enemies whose moves you have to read. You don't see Vaati making videos on "is DMC a souls like?" "Are platinum games going to be liked by souls fans looking for more methodical boss fights?"
In fact, speaking of Platinum, that's the vibe I was getting; platinum games vibe plus Daemon X machina vibes more than souls games vibe. Also, they added more mellee than past AC games but according to From, the focus is still mainly on ranged. So in the slightly modified words of Vaati: "Fuck you, we are still right."
I hope it's nothing like Dark Souls in any way. Not everything has to be Souls.
By the way, Josh Strife Hayes and Writing for Games channels have uploaded videos about Armored Core controls, plot and their importance in the industry.
Those are really interesting to watch!
Ac verdict day had telegraphed bosses
I do feel that talking about Souls game from a strict gameplay perspective fails to capture the magic of those games. Plenty of "soulsborne genre" games have mimicked souls mechanics, but there is a reason I'm not interested in almost any of them.
What I like about the Souls series is the lore and how it is told. This role of an "archeologist" that you play, and the act of exploring their worlds. The bespoke level design and environmental storytelling gives areas such a good sense of place. The interesting stories behind bosses and themes presenting through gameplay.
If Armored Core VI has some of those elements then I'm 100% in, and would even prefer a different gameplay loop on top of that.
Armored Core has the same sort of obscure lore and esoteric story, generally though a key difference is that AC tends to rely less on environmental design and more on its mission briefings and email system. Though if the AC6 trailers are any indication, it will utilize it's environments more.
Another crucial difference is that Armored Core tends to make references to real life history and real life politics. Armored Core is deeply and overtly political in a way that the Souls games simply aren't.
Respectfully, Souls games' storytelling and lore dumps are horribly done and by far the weakest part of any of their games. Fucking Nioh has a more engaging plot but that game has whole other issues.
I simply don't get the appeal
@@friendlyghost9766 What?! respectfully, I think Nioh's plot is just shallow junk food. The characters are one-dimensional and poorly written and its' use of historical elements is incredibly superficial. It doesn't implement any unique or interesting ways to convey the story and just has cutscenes in b/w gameplay segments. No environmental storytelling. No meticulously placed enemies, that convey a story just by their location. no exploration of interesting themes etc..
if you don't get the appeal, then you don't get the appeal. But it's undeniably a part of its success and it's huge impact
@@INTCUWUSIUA I'm up for the different content of the story, i.e the political and historical references or themes. Just as long as they lean into their good environmental design. I'd prefer that to briefings and email because that sounds pretty passive to me. Finding significant things in the environment is what I personally like.
But I don't know, neve played AC. sounds like you have. do you like its previous stories?
I was an AC fan way back during the AC 1&2 days. In more recent years I have fallen in love with FromSoftware's Souls-like games. My hype level is higher than Cheech & Chong right now.
Right? Armored Core VI couldn't have come at a better time. I only got into Armored Core at 2 back in early 2000s. I was a sucker for mecha and cyberpunk back then. 90s animes probably got me into that aesthetic. Played just about every game since then. There have been ups and downs with the series mostly due to how niche and relatively low-budgeted they were. But even then, there was NEVER ever another game like Armored Core out there.
Love the Cheech and Chong reference lmao haven't seen anyone do one on here for awhile 😂
First an armored core and liked the souls, but I will always like my big stompy robots.
I cannot express how much I am looking forward to AC6, as someone who has never played any of the series before. I'm a souls veteran and while of course I'm hoping to have that soulsy itch scratched by the boss encounters and exploration focus, I'm also just a massive sci-fi fan who ADORED the Mechassault games growing up. The idea of having sprawling sci-fi areas to explore and fight mechanical enemies in (even if in more linear mission form) while being able to customise a flexible modular mech in between missions is simply music to my ears. FromSoft haven't let me down in the decade I've been playing their games so far, and I doubt they will with this.
Sounds like you should dive into previous AC titles.
@@blumiu2426 they're console only, right? I'm basically only a pc gamer these days, all my old consoles are sold or in storage. Unless there's a decent emulator people recommend?
@Samuel Pearce-Davies
I've emulated every ac game except gen 5.
Gen 4 took a bit of patience to get to work (crashes here and there, sussy textures, and needed a fresh unupdated ps3 emulator to get 4a to work) and is why I'm not really itching to do ac5 cause there's not much single player anyway I've heard.
I personally enjoyed ac1 the most and the rest were just extra filler but I wouldn't expect people to get used to the controls cause they are something that exists.
@@blumiu2426 no need to, armored souls 6 releases in a few months and it will be better than any older game of the franchise
@@Spearced Correct, though some ports on PSP. Retroarch or Duckstation for the PS1 games and PCSX2 for the PS2 games. For Answer works on PCSX3, but good luck with Verdict Day. Recent patches put it in Playable status, which is to say barely. Crashes at the start a lot.
Everything Miyazaki gets his grubby little hands on turns into a poison swamp, but the rest is pretty accurate.
cant wait to lose all my money on the coral-irradiated map mission
I mean, vaati wasn't saying it would have some soulslike elements or changes/updates to previous AC design. He straight up said it would be soulslike. He was wrong. Lots of the boss changes are natural evolutions of boss fights across the AC series. Having it be more of a challenging 1 v 1 and having to learn how the enemy moves and attacks.
The way I see it, I don’t want the Armored Core fan base to feel like their franchise is being changed to something they won’t like. I’d hate to think the popularity of one franchise will cause another to be altered beyond what it’s core elements began as. That being said, companies should have every right to iterate and adjust their formula to make something feel new while respecting the franchise’s roots. I trust Fromsoftware will find the balance between the two, and I hope the souls and Armored Core communities can come together and praise Fromsoftware for their continuous success and high quality games
Hey, this might be a bit dumb, but what's the music playing in the background at 7:37
tfw I played every Tenchu game before anyone gave a crap about Fromsoft, but Fromsoft and even Miyazaki have their own duds at times. I don't know why the fans treat Miyazaki like he's the first person to ever make a good game, like everything was crap until he came along. Even ratatoskr can fall into this pattern and unknowingly end up starting AC with AC4, one of the worst starting points you could possibly have imo, just because Miyazaki's name is on it. It even sometimes sounds like Souls was the first game anyone ever played, and now people just call themselves "Souls fans" instead of anything else (like gamer). "Will this be like Souls? Will Souls fans like this?" FFS everything doesn't need to be like Dark Souls for you to enjoy it. I'd argue even the second half of Dark Souls and the DLC was not like Dark Souls, but you probably still completed it.
I'm a souls fan, but mostly I'm a fan of well made games. I'm excited for AC6 on that basis- because if nothing else Fromsoft is one of few companies that knows their reputation for stellar games is their biggest asset.
What's the song playing towards the end of the vid?
That opening background song was slappin'!
I feel like a almost everything brought up in this video that "could be like souls" aren't even things that Souls exclusively created or popularized, and some of them were just taking ideas from the past AC games and just upping the ante on them to make them more interesting. Especially everything regarding bosses and pattern recognition which already existed in old AC games anyways, it just wasn't ALWAYS relevant.
Pattern recognition in particular was very important in some fights against other AC's, learning when to dodge or change up your movement whenever they fired something at you, learning when you needed to start backing off if they begin to charge in at you to attempt a blade strike, or knowing the map/surroundings so you don't get screwed by bad positioning, that kind of thing. Its already there. Granted not all fights against other AC's were like that, but there were still plenty over the course of all the games in the series that required learning what made that particular enemy tick and ways you could deal with them, such as changing up your build.
The big bosses are just taking Arms Forts or the massive MT's from past games and making them proper boss fights instead of massive hulking bullet sponges that just shoot a lot, that's just refining ideas from the past games. The biggest possible change from other AC games that isn't just refining old ideas is the aiming, and even then that could just be something similar to For Answer where aiming didn't matter too much as long as it was in your line of sight for a second, only this time the lock-on might just be instantly acquired as long as the target is in the lock box/reticle/general line of sight.
It honestly feels like you and Vaati just WANT to be right instead of ACTUALLY being right.
I wouldn't expect much honesty from the same people who will talk at length about what souls is supposed to be but can't put together a single paragraph about what armored core actually is.
I think people will buy it and support it... But whether people play it long-term is another question, especially with DLC and multiple projects in the works!
I have been a armored core fan playing ps1,ps2, ps3, PSP and xbox 360. Glad for this video because i was thinking of preordering the game but now i will just wait and buy a used copy id like my souls and Armored core games to be very very sperate
Honestly, as a Soulsborne fan who has never played an AC game before, I'm most excited for making my own custom mech. I love builds and theorycrafting and IMO the most cool part of any setting with mechs is the mechs themselves (the intergalactic politics from settings like Gundam is a close second). Getting to make my own mech from a ton of very different parts and defining my own gameplay style really resonates with me. I recently watched Josh Strife Hayes's "Was It Any Good" video for AC1 and I'm honestly blown away how even a dinky old PS1 game had so much customization and interesting, meaningful options for making a powerful AC. If AC6 has the same degree of customization, or even more, then I'm going to be very happy and impressed.
I think I'll also appreciate it more than customization options in Soulsborne because even with relatively easy respeccing, customization in Soulsborne games is intended to be long-term. That is to say, you're not really intended to make a build, do a level/boss or two, and then dramatically change your specs. Even in Elden Ring, where you get a lot of Larval Tears, if you respec after every area you'll probably either run out of Tears or be almost out by the time you reach Radagon/Elden Beast. Here, though, if it works anything like AC1, you can completely change your loadout between every mission so long as you have the cash to buy new parts (or if you find them from exploring during missions). Aside from the cost of buying the parts themselves there's no inherent cost to changing your loadout, and in fact there are strong benefits to doing so since two missions may require very different specs. An enclosed mission that involves fighting a lot of mechs might prioritize a bulky build with a lot of guns that can't fly well, whereas an open-air mission with a lot of ranged enemies and cover might prioritize a speedy, flying AC with heat-seeking missiles. From what I saw of AC1, and the snippets of other AC games I've looked at, your build is much more modular and there are a lot more benefits to thinking about different ways to accomplish your goals than there tend to be in Soulsborne. If that's true of AC6 then it's something I'll be really excited for, probably moreso than any Soulsborne game will get me excited for even if I prefer their overall style to the futuristic mech style.
Yea this is one of the things I love about this game. Armored Core 1 was a really really good start to the series and has become one of my favorite games. It's got such a great atmosphere as well on top of everything else. And I only played these games recently lol
After playing a bunch of Fromsoft games, I simply trust them too much to doubt that any game they make will be bad. Even if its not Souls, im sure I'll enjoy it.
I think another fundamental part of Souls Gameplay is exploration and Armored core's mission-based structure prevents the type of exploration that's fundamental to a souls game.
With the increased scale and verticality of the maps from what we've seen, I feel like there will definitely be some exploration in there, especially if there will be hidden parts that you can find like in the old games.
There was always some exploration in AC games, you could find new powerful parts hidden in tucked away areas of maps etc.
So just like 90% of the things people are going to call out at examples of the game introducing "Souls" elements, it will just be stuff Fromsoft has had in their games since Kingsfield, but people who only played their Souls games are unaware of.
@KahlevN
I would say "Exploring" like op is talking about verses looking around a random corner for a part isn't anything like wanting to check out this other part of the map cause you are compelled to explore.
I don't care how cool these environments look (they look sick from this latest trailer) the player is not gunna be thinking about sight seeing, only if it's a tactical advantage to go there. The mindset will always be to complete the mission. That's not because areas aren't interesting but the whole premise of missions is there is no sandbox, you are here for 1 thing and that's it kinda mentality. Finding this hidden area won't open a new path, won't give you access to a new npc or shop. No unique enemies to fight (this one actually could be a thing and that would be amazing but I'm going of previous games) finding a new part just isn't the same thing, just a check list to cross off.
Ironically old Ac games had hidden walls, I wonder if they would bring those back.
But i do agree that most elements in this game will be mistranslated as being added from souls ganes that were already a part of ac 🤭
Actually there has always been a bit of exploring in past games as fromsoft likes to hid ac parts in some levels
Unrelated to the video, but can someone tell me the name of the song that starts at 2:47 ?
I admit that I was hoping Rata was gonna play AC4A on stream to hear his thoughts on it. Oh well.
I like From Soft games, I also like mechs and been wanting to play a good mech game for a while. I think this might be it
Fromsoft has never Released a bad game. Ninja Blade hold my beer
I played Armored Core way back in the day. It was hard but I remember persevering through the learning curve and I loved it. Reminiscent of the general design philosophy.
I remember fighting the answerer arms fort back in ACFA on hard, It was the most tense AF mission on hard in that game imo.
A perfect mix between the old Armored Core style and the Souls games would indeed be the perfect game . Just take the best from both world !
No I want nothing souls like touching armored core thanks
soul ground stomp attack AC guy fly away while picking his nose
@@redninja3056 then get back to your old AC games cuz this new one ain’t for you
@@MaidenlessScrub oh don't worry I won't touch it since it's been tainted by inferior games
@@redninja3056 lol I hope you’re trolling. No sane person can make such a bad take
Just please please please approach it as its own thing. I see a lot of people fishing for the souls in ac and i think they're just going to be disappointed. Also i think the backlash came a lot from labeling things that have been staples of game design in general as 'souls like' the stuff you see in the trailer wouldn't be out of place in a zelda game
I thought Miyazaki said it’s not going to be anything like a souls game combat and game play wise but that they were going to put in some rpg mechanics
Yeah, what's most likely the case for ACVI is that it still uses traditional AC mechanics while certain elements, such as the new bosses, are more similar to a Souls game instead of the traditional AC/Massive MT/Arms Forts fights from AC games in the past.
IMO ACVI changing targeting to be super generous would be a shame, FCS has been a key part of balance and building an AC for the entire series. Relegating it to either industrial waste or maybe even entirely changing its function to a more simplified version wouldn't fit into what is turning into a re-launch for a series with such history.
I’ve heard about fromsofts past armored core games and was never really interested in the mech genre so when I heard about another potential armored core games. I never thought I’d even try to play the game or give it a thought. then my uncle got me a game that he loved when he was younger called zone of the Enders 2nd runner that game made me realize how awesome mecha games can be. Now that the armored core trailer is out I’m so excited and actually want to try the game out
it was so obvious FromSoft would, like they said themselves, draw from their past successes. Feels like the perfect mix to me.
Yeah, people on both sides of this extreme are just being silly. Some people were literally saying it was going to be a Soulslike, and other were basically saying and hoping it would be like a modern AC1 reskin or something. It was always obvious that they would try to make an AC game that fit with modern gaming sensibilities, and use their experience gained over the last decade. That doesn't mean it's a Soulslike in even the slightest, so to say Vaati was "right" is way off. Both sides were wrong, because they both went to each extreme instead of something reasonable, but that's the modern online discourse these days, so I can't say I'm surprised.
@@KahlevN Pretty much agree with what you said entirely. I even called out Vaati and Ratatoskr on the childish "this proves I'm right and you're wrong" language he used in his videos. Making a modern AC game with updated gameplay standards and some combat elements of dodge timing does not magically make it "souls-like" nor does it make it a simple re-skin of AC1.
That's why I responded in the first place and this video didn't sit right with me. Don't know why some folks here are being toxic in response.
'it was so obvious' was not in the minds of the people who bashed the youtuber that ratatoskr mentioned.
@@imoutocompalexes! Someone who understands. When I heard the devs were finally making a new one I was very excited for what NEW they had in store. Videogame devs don't want to make the same stuff again and again. They always want experiment with how they can make their games better and fun, like new added mechanics.
I mean, if the devs have been making these "Souls" games these last years, and they've turned out fun, I'm more than willing to see their mechanics in the new game :)
@@jonglopez5400 i'm only talking for myself, to me it was obvious.
I'm so sick being gaslit. In the original Vaati video he did *not* just say there they may take some lessons from Souls and use them to design AC6 nor did Vaati say they the game might have some soulslike elements but will not be a soulslike. He said that there is "good evidence" that it will be soulslike , and the reference to "soulslike elements" is in reference to the leaker who came off as obviously not familiar with Armored Core as a series when the descrption game out. It was not in reference to Vaati's initial prediction in the video. I went back and checked when vaati released their latest video and I went back and checked now. If you guys just let it go it would just be a meme but now it is downright insulting, not to mention wrong.
Yes, the game has more of a boss focus (edit: which we already knew so how is this a dunk?) than previous Armored Cores, which includes things like telegraphed attacks, although even ACV and VD had some telegraphed attacks but granted those game were coming out side by side with Souls games at the time.
In terms of difficulty it is true that Armored Core varies a lot, but I'd say the tougher fights and games in the series, especially Last Raven, are on par with Souls bosses. Especially Final Zinaida who can be pretty brutal.
Oh and if "telegraphed boss attacks" makes your game a soulslike, then there are Mario games that are soulslike
Yes they are learning and taking lessons from Souls games, just as they have learned lessons with all their games. Yes you might see some specific little elements like cluster bomb launchers resembling firecrackers, or even, you know, shields (though those have existed since like gen 3). But jumping does not make Elden Ring a Mario like, nor does having horses make it a red dead like. AC6 having jump pads does not make it an Elden Ring like, and having colossal bosses does not make it a Shadow of the Colossus like
@@christophertaylor6807
You're spittin mate
@@christophertaylor6807 Even Project Phantasma and Verdict Day had enemies with telegraphed attacks, AC3 and SL had a (janky) parrying mechanic.
@@christophertaylor6807 it is funny reading that they've 'added jump pads from ER' when the reality is they probably didn't know how to implement jump pads (and have it work seamless in a massive map etc) UNTIL ER. Now they can go on to use this in all their future games including ac6
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It's okay I play game cause it looks cool. And it looks cool from the trailer. Miyazaki knows how to make cool game and make you feel cool playing it.
I like their Design Philosophy, and they haven’t let me down yet
Lock on is not a souls feature? Bruh people are hella dumb.
Souls normies did not know of video games until dark souls lmao
Anyway, half of the features in the ac6 trailer seem like they were brought over from For Answer.
I didnt like ac5 or verdict day so im cautious about ac6.
*Souls RUclipsr sees a health bar*
Ah yes this is souls like!