Panorama 1985 12 02 AIDS The race for a cure
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- Panorama: AIDS - The Race for a Cure
First broadcast: Mon 2nd Dec 1985, 21:25 on BBC One London
AIDS is the biggest public health threat for a generation. To date there have been a few hundred victims in Britain, but experts predict there will soon be many thousands.
AIDS will affect men, women and children and, unless a cure is found, all those who get it will rapidly die.
Doctors and scientists are desperately searching for a drug or a vaccine to knock out the virus. Will prevention - safer sex - prove better than a cure? Can alternative medicine bring hope to AIDS victims?
Tonight, Margaret Jay talks to AIDS victims and those trying to help them.
Panorama reports from France, the US and Britain on the latest developments.
Contributors
Reporter:
Margaret Jay
Producer:
John Penycate
Editor:
David Dickinson
Source: Radio Times
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Lauren Burk survived ....she is still alive at 62 ..her husband Patrick died in 1987...son died at 20 months in 1985
Did Tom Proctor & Louie survive???
Thank you I always wonder what came of these brave souls who had the courage to speak up and be counted.
@@steelydanlover1972how did you find that out about Tom? I couldn’t find anything out about him at all
@DonnellxxOkafor I don’t remember HEP C being mentioned. The dad was a haemophiliac. They used factor 8 to treat it which was a mixture of all different types of blood to help with blood clotting, transfusions, etc. I think he got it from a blood transfusion. The donated blood wasn’t tested at that time as the disease was quite new. A lot of prisoners had HIV and were donating blood
@josephclarke645 the reporter said the baby was in the ICU, sick from hepatitis and meningitis. RIP little guy.
These old programs on HIV/AIDS are priceless. Thank you for uploading.
You are more than welcome.
It’s so heartbreaking to see the innocence in their faces. I doubt any of them would have guessed there is no cure 40 years in.
29:05 what an evil deranged woman, scamming the dying out of their money
I didn't realise AZT drug was around as early as 1985. Anyway, really interesting documentary (if unbearably sad at the same time). Thanks for uploading.
AZT had been around since 1960s apparently it was an experimental cancer treatment that was shelved and they decided to try it to see if it worked for this new retrovirus
You are very welcome.
It wasn't around in 1985 for public use, it was still in testing trials, that's why people in 1985 were on it.
The worse part of HIV/AIDS was the social stigma, not the disease itself. Many gay men who died of AIDS were socially isolated by their own family, community and their employers. Even some health care providers were afraid to be in the same room with them. People were afraid to be around them, so they died alone. I was in high school in the late 80's and I was terrified of HIV/AIDS. I didn't want to have sex with other men until I was almost 30 years old. Even with condoms, I was afraid to catch HIV. I was terrified that my family would not want to be around me if I have AIDS. I was afraid to be isolated from everyone and left alone. It was hard enough to tell people you're gay, but to tell them you're gay and have AIDS. Most people would not be able to handle it.
because of the fear of unknow. you cant blame them
@@giroldan6737 It wasn't just fear of the unknown! Gays began to be persecuted and even scared by homophobes, especially those who said they were religious, many went so far as to say that AIDS was God's punishment for killing homosexuals. Ignorance reigned at that time, much more due to prejudice against gays than fear of the disease.
I watch all of these, I would like to see the prison documentary too can’t seem to find it anywhere so lucky you were able to capture these. Martin for those of us who weren’t there at the time
You are very welcome. However, not so much luck as a desire to ensure the stories was as correct as possible and we at THT could respond. Had I really had my wits about me I would have kept a detailed diary but I was too caught up in the work and having a life. That’s one of the things that I regret not doing.
When the first patients appeares in 1981 in United states there are 250 000 patients infected allready
Thank you so much for these uploads.
You are more than welcome, Andrea.
Thank you for uploading this
My pleasure!
It’s hard to watch him be so optimistic and hopeful about his positive thinking .. hard to watch in hindsight knowing very well that his KS appears to be spreading and will more than likely spread to his lungs and overcome him soon 😢
Dead men walking for sure
@DonnellxxOkafor Given that this was 1985, and AIDS had only been known since 1981, he had most likely been infected when it was completely unknown, meaning he had zero "guilt" in it.
It's like blaming the millions of heterosexuals who di*d from Syfilis before the AIDS epidemic that they shouldn't had engaged in s*x.
(As older readers may know, syfilis used to be the heterosexual equivalent of AIDS)
@BadNewzBonnie If you mean Louie Nassaney, the guy at the healer who had been severely ill and gotten better, he actually lived 6 more years until 1991, which was beyond expectation.
He became something of a celebrity, too, akin to Ron Woodroof, another guy with AIDS who the doctors had given only 30 more days, but decided for himself "heck no" and lived 7 more years.
@@lukaurshibara5837 Before the modern anti-HIV drugs came out in 1996, AIDS was almost 100% fatal, syphilis was never that lethal. HIV has no equal in the history of modern medicine.
Thank you so much Martin. I hope you are having a nice weekend.
You too!
@@aids_archive hi Dr this some from uganda thanks so much
" Tom" I love my upper T-cells they are smiling" lmaoo
40 years later
The 80s were very crucial, many incurable diseases were discovered. I remember in school there was a lot of talk about AIDS, I was very afraid.
I was 7 years old and was afraid too ... That's how big it was in the media
Watching the sufferers being manipulated by ill informed unqualified quacks breaks my heart but at least they touched them unlike many of my medical colleagues.
Surely there was a lot of grift and opportunism in the alternative treatment sphere, but like you said, at least they had a chance to feel human and not be quarantined alone in some ward offered neither solutions nor solace like the very early patients
I remember it well I knew some friends who died of aids around the late 80's
One million are still dying every year
@Worldtravelerlol thanks for that 👍
Thank you so much for uploading, this is really informative! If you have a anymore aids documentaries like these please upload them!
Matthew, sadly these are all I have but RUclips is awash with other programmes, although these seem mainly to be from the USA.
There are a couple of episodes of World in action that documents the way the blood was infected with the virus and passed on to haemophilliacs
Watch latest American horror story ita about aids
If it was this days ,maby this people get great medication and help . Thanks for the video 🙏🏻
Fascinating - one forgets how hopeless it all seemed then. Sad to think that probably none of the patients seen here survived. Can't say I feel much respect for Louise Hay, who wasn't much good at curing HIV but went on to make a fortune from self-help books. A good statement of the science and handles the tone reasonably well for the time (though I did giggle at the Hockney painting flashing up at the mention of anal sex).
Hey Mr Weaver. New video ace. Thanks
You're welcome. I'm not sure how this one got lost in the collection. I'll have to comb the rest to make sure I've not missed any more.
@@aids_archive It looks like you recorded programmes on AIDS with the obbsessiveness that I taped Scotsport and Sportscene in the late 80s!
Nah youve done a great job that must have taken time and effort and I for one appreciate it greatly.
I live in Scotland so am fascinated by the Edinburgh problem and how slow the Scottish Office were. BBC Scotland made a programme abot it a couple of years ago about it but i’ve forgotten it’s name
@vanderark89 Not really obsessiveness i.e."excessive often to an unreasonable degree" but very concerned and somewhat fearful. Remember that I was involved in many of these programmes even if I didn't appear. In those times friends were dying and facing discrimination not seen today although it still exists. Also, as a 24 year old I was managing my own sexual and mental health. One part of that management was to see how my / our messages came across and to learn from them.
For instance one programme that I cannot find is a Channel 4 one that was presented by Jancis Robinson - she of the wine programmes. I didn't do my homework and she is a committed Christian and ended her programme with a manufactured advert that said "Make it monogamy!" - I learned a lot from that encounter. If you find this programme do let me know.
@@aids_archive I quite want to see that! No I’m not obsessed with AIDS. I am just fascinated by the social and medical factors that played such a major part in your life and the life of the nation.
I was a scared 8 year old when the Iceberg advert was shown just before Wogan on BBC1. I was scared whitless. My mum and dad were really good at making it clear that I was a very unlikely candidate for the disease.The images stuck though. I’m also Scottish and we had our own epidemic. Even into the 1990s Aberdeen fans singing ‘HIV POSITIVE’ at the Hibs fans as Leith was the disease hotspot.
I’ve not heard any homophobic chanting for ages now. The word ‘poof' used to be on the lips of lots of fans when a player fell over or had a fancy haircut. Not now although I don’t know what English fans are like
The fact that you kept sane and fought back during this period is a credit to you. Many didnt take an HTLV diagnosis so well and committed suicide which, given the inaccuracy of early testing, is horrificly painful.
Pointless meandering over
@@vanderark89 it's easy to get compulsive about the early years of the epidemic... it was a very very intense and interesting disease and time to live.
Thanks for the new video and for documenting what actually happened in the 1980s. I was expecting you or Dr. Fauci to make a cameo appearance.
In this programme Tony Whitehead stood in, again, for us all at the Terrence Higgins Trust and the wider community.
At 15:50 Could it be the guy which The Dallas buyers club movie was based on?
Ron Woodroof was diagnosed in 1985 and began his smuggling operation in 1988. This program was broadcast in 1985, so the dates don't jive for that man to be Ron.
33:41 you go gurlll awesome dancing 😅😊
Martin Weaver - Have you got the BBC documentary called Remembering Terry I think it was from 1987 anyway it was obviously a sad story but it also had plenty of fun and very rude humour the geezer was such a laugh and his mother was a star as she was in her 80's herself but she didn't care that he was gay or had Aids which is unusual for their generation but she herself was funny and visited him every day when he was in hospital. The thing that I remember so well was the fact he knew that he didn't have long to live but was still outrageously funny right until the end and his mum was a super star as well even the TV reporter who spent around a year filming and documenting broke down with he passed. It was so sad but also funny and that is how he wanted his funeral to be and it was.
I believe that this programme is available on RUclips .
Remember Terry is available here: ruclips.net/video/vruEtBAhxt4/видео.html
Remember Terry was a fantastic documentary. Such a loss to the world
I remembered hearing about this geezer who had full blown Aids back in England in 1982 and you know what that man is still alive now! Four people have been cured of this horrific desease but things are moving in the right direction. I can't help wondering if any of these people are alive or have died all I do know is how terribly sad it is watching theses young men/women just dying and their ain't fuck all we can do about it. I'm straight but that shouldn't matter because it all about compassion to your fellow human beings 🇬🇧🤝🇺🇲🙏
I wonder if Chris Gresham made it?
Is chris gresham stil alive?
Some say not ,but not sure .but i think yes
Could not find anything on him.o. the internet.
This lady want people to 'uuuuym' her way out of a fatal virus...dang
There was literally nothing else to do. And the positive thinking and relaxation techniques couldn't have hurt.
@smiley1960 She was likely charging him a pretty hefty fee for her 'treatment', and she wasn't the only one. There were a lot of parasites profiting off of the desperation of AIDS sufferers in the days before effective therapies.
@nomdeplume881 she was charging $10 a session, and she was there to help them cope and accept, like a counselor in a spiritual way. I don't think she was exploiting these people, I believe her intentions were good. At the time there was literally nothing else to do but to accept and make peace with the dreadful situation.
I wonder if that married couple and their son are still alive.
You'd have to write to BBC Panorama to find that out.
The family's story made national news in *_LIFE_* _Magazine,_ and sadly the father and son both died not long after this documentary was produced. The wife and one child (HIV-) are still alive. The wife survived long enough to take advantage of the more effective drugs that were released in the mid-90s.
Almost certainly not. 😔
@RiteMo LawBks they had another child despite knowing it would suffer??
@@yemalad1. You would have to research the family, but only the father and son died from the disease.
1985? En esta época estaba vivo todavía el activista David Kirby.
Google translate: "At this time the activist was still alive."
@@aids_archivethank you for uploading these!
30:54 Oh really?
He died in 1991
11:56 was that counting Freddie Mercury?
No, he wasn’t officially diagnosed until 1987 so wouldn’t be in the statistics at this point.
Are they still alive??
Yes,Jonathan Grimshaw🙂Long-term survivor☝️
Мы с мамой тоже поймали ВИЧ,но ей было не просто ей за 50,сразу на нервах гипертонический криз,давление ничем не сбивалось,попала в больницу.Просто мама недавно замуж вышла и такой сюрприз,а я бисексуал,каюсь,но это моя природа.У нас город маленький и к таким как мы боятся даже подойти.В столице ещё ничего.Пьëм таблетки и всё хорошо.
Via Google translate: "My mother and I also caught HIV, but it wasn’t just that she was over 50, she immediately had a hypertensive crisis on her nerves, her blood pressure didn’t drop, she ended up in the hospital. It’s just that my mother recently got married and it was such a surprise, and I’m bisexual, I confess, but that’s my nature .Our city is small and we are afraid to even approach people like this. In the capital there is nothing yet. We take pills and everything is fine.”
Thanks for your comments and I hope that life continues to be well for you.
"Спасибо за ваши комментарии, и я надеюсь, что жизнь у вас и дальше будет хорошей."
I actually should have credit for my own research.
Please explain I’d love to know. AIDS is something I have researched since I went into this earth. It was huge when I was a kid and scared the hell outta me. I think my uncle passed from complications although I don’t have definitive proof other than the fact he died from the flu and at his age that’s very rare.
Not one of them survived long enough for the treatment, as it was still almost a decade away. They died screaming
They actually don’t die screaming. Normally in a coma. I don’t know what your comment was trying to achieve other than upsetting family members but alright.
@@SophieJackson1993 not literally screaming. ‘Died screaming’ in the metaphorical sense, as in, it is anything but a peaceful death. A lot of suffering
@@potcha I got what you were saying.
Maby if it was this days ,yes you will be old with good medication
@@SophieJackson1993 It's a gruesome nasty way to die I think that's what he's saying.
So, this was a new mysterious disease that causes...
Shortness of breath
Death of pneumonia
Accelerated cancer
Anyone seeing a rhyme of history lately?
Writing is on the wall 🧱
All those still having it off unpotected knowing they were infected or could be and then they gave blood and the straight people got it through transfusions.
So, are you saying that only gay people gave blood and did so knowing that they were infected? And that straight people didn’t have unsafe sex?
It amazes me that with all the facts about HIV available today, some people still refuse to educate themselves. Instead, they prefer to spead misinformation steeped in bigotry and hate.
ignorant!
Of true , how did gay people contract it
So many AIDS videos on RUclips turn off the comments ... is having a honest conversation so bad?
I think that so much is polarised today and opinion. Having an honest conversation is difficult.
Unfortunately AIDS videos are prone to having the comments section hijacked by unscrupulous witch doctors peddling fake African herbal cures.
An honest conversation in the RUclips comments section? You're new around here, aren't you?
@@aids_archivewhy is a polarized conversation bad?