I added several points to this iceberg that I thought would be interesting as well as omitting points if there wasn't sufficient enough information to speak to it. Feel free to correct anything I got incorrect in the comments. There was a decent amount to cover, so i'm sure something slipped through the cracks. My typical style of content isn't going anywhere, just wanted to make something for the sake of having fun. Gotta make stuff to clear the mental sometimes, y'know? Enjoy :)
fun fact: EVERY toxicroak in the anime is still colored wrong. alllll the way up to Pokémon Journeys. they ALL look like the psuedo shiny. Saturns was just seen first.
its really funny, bc of the recent leak all anime reference sheets until bw were leaked and can confirm toxicroak is colored wrong *in* the refence sheet! with the a picture of the normal colored toxicroak in the top right LMAO
I think I have you beat. A Wooper and a Quagsire within three encounters of one another in the same location. Same nature. Nearly the same IVs. I leveled the Wooper two levels up and evolved it to compare the two. Most of the stats were the same. Different abilities though.
My luckiest Shiny moment was coincidentally with the first shiny I ever caught/encountered! I was playing a Platinum nuzlocke and I ran into a shiny Geodude as a completely legitimate encounter - it was *actually* the 1st encounter on that route/area - didn't even need to use the "shiny clause" that some people opt to play with.
I remember my very first shiny was a Tentacool in Pokémon Ruby. This was back in 2007-08 and I didn’t have access to the internet like we do now, so I remember keeping it in a box and never evolving or even leveling it up cause I was so scared the color change was a glitch and would revert to normal colors lmao
I randomly ran into a shiny zebstrika when I was little, got scared thinking my game was broken so I fainted it :’) now it feels wrong to catch shiny zebstrikas
Suggests taking a shot everytime he says shiny & then says shiny 8 times in the next 60 seconds, this is what true evil looks like guys all jokes aside this video is really well made & I hope it continues to reach a wider audience :)
Pokémon emerald doesn’t act like the internal battery is dry. It still has time based events. What makes emerald broken is the seed never changes when you reset. It is always 0 so all frames across all games will be the same only differing in shininess based off the trainers ID and secret ID
Wait, did we not cover Jiggly Puff? In the early seasons of the anime there is a reoccurring jiggly puff that just wants people to listen to it sing, but everyone falls asleep. Anyway, this Jigglypuff is shiny, you can tell because of its eye color. This jigglypuff appears starting in "The Song of Jigglypuff" which takes place before the Orange Archipelago arch, and before Jhoto, making it the first appearance of a shiny pokemon within the anime.
I remember this gag vividly but had never considered it being a shiny, thanks for pointing it out! E/ went and checked and not sure I agree it’s shiny, I wanted to but I don’t think so. Some images show greenish eyes but not enough to convince me it’s intentional.
“Take shots every time I say shiny” dude, I’m 2:09 minutes in and can’t take more, in just that small timeframe I counted over 15 shiny, if someone does it to the end I hope they don’t end in ER
For Let's Go, it was found that the Catch Combo boost applies to the next Pokemon of that chain that spawns only, so after it spawns you would need to catch another to get another shiny boosted spawn!
One of my favorite shiny memories was using action replay to really mess with the gen 4 games. I used an "all pokemon shiny" cheat just to see what other shiny pokemon were like, but forgot to initiate it when the game was booting up. At the time i thought, i was fully convinces that i did succesfully initiate the cheat. The first pokemon I came across was a random shiny goldbat, a pokemon whose normal form i avoid like the plague. I thought "i can probably skip this, ill be seeing loads of shiny golbats." But then something within me changed, and i thought "know what, ill see if i can catch one of each shiny." So i caught it. Next thing you know my next encounter was not shiny. "What the hell " i thought. I saved the game and attempted again, this time realizing i missed a step where i had to hold both the left and right triggers as the game boots up so the AR could do its thing. It didnt hit me until after i saw my shiny golbat that i realized i saw an *actual shiny* totally by chance, after being fully convinced it was just a cheat shiny. Those days as a kid were so much fun... i named that golbat "Goldbat" and never evolved it.
Its crazy to think that in gen 1-5, 1 in 8000 kids saw a shiny as their first pokemon and other kids never ended up seeing a shiny even after playing hundreds of hours
Got a shiny Pidgey on LeafGreen didn’t understand and i think I ran or defeated it and never understood what happened until a shiny Skuntank in Diamond and of course it KO’d itself
The only full odds shiny I ever found pre gen-5 was a random Mesprit, which is cool, but also kinda weird that from all the possible pokemons it was a roaming legendary
same here! the first shiny I ever caught was the Mesprit from Platinum. I remember the first time it showed up I was on a road trip with my family, and I was so excited to get a shiny legendary that I screamed and nearly scared my mom so bad that she swerved off the road. safe to say, she wasn't amused when she learned why we nearly crashed... 😅 I've still got the Mesprit in my Pokemon Home!
I am actually surprised that this video only has 57 views (at the time of watching) Your videos are really high quality man. I hope your break through comes
18:47 lockstin and gnoggin basically reverse engineered the algorithm that would have generated the vast majority of the shinies from gen 2 - gen 5. There are a couple of pokemon that don't apply like charizard because those were likely manually changed after gen 2 which is why they look different in gen 3, perhaps because they wanted to put the design on the playing cards.
dunno if someone else has said it but i'm guessing the gen one shiny lock refers to the fact that non static pokemon cannot have the DVs (stats) to be shiny
That actually only applies to soft resetting the starters, Game freak forced us to use the masuda method to get the starters you get at the beginning of the game
Thats what i was referring to yeah :) I think its lame they're shiny locked. I think it should be our choice to avoid hunts like that and not have the option stripped away completely.
Corrections and additional information: 7:16 [Correction] Square sparkles appear to be fully intended to be a 1/16 chance, but to to an oversight with how shinies are generated in the wild specifically in Sword and Shield, they actually have a 15/65536 (approximately 1/4096) chance to be a star shiny, and a 65521/65536 (approximately 1/1) chance to be square shiny. This does not apply to static encounters such as the Regis, who have a 1/16 chance to be square. Every shiny transferred into Sword and Shield will have a 1/16 chance of star sparkle, with the exception of pokemon which didn't use standard shiny rolls (such as Pokeradar, Ultra Wormholes, or Scarlet/Violet's 1/200 odds event outbreaks) which are similarly unintentionally square, and event Fateful Encounter pokemon which are specifically coded to always be square. It's also worth noting that Dynamax Adventures shinies are always star, which seems intentional. 12:23 [Addition] Prior to Gen 8, if you traded an egg to another game, it would hatch as shiny based on that game's TSV, rather than the TSV of the trainer who obtained the egg. This was the mechanic that allowed the shiny Manaphy hunt, and people also had used it to trade their eggs for easier shinies. There's also a more general PSV (Pokemon Shiny Value) which is actually the same value as the ESV but the term is more common for things such as RNG manipulation while the term ESV is only really used for egg swapping. 12:40 [Addition] While all shadow pokemon were intended to be shiny locked, Pokemon Colosseum had a faulty system that shiny locked it to the opponent trainers but not to the player's trainer. This means a shiny pokemon will only appear shiny after it's caught. A shadow pokemon's stats (including PID) are determined only the first time they're sent out in battle, and the trainers have random TIDs every time they're battled, it's possible for a trainer to have a shiny shadow pokemon during a rematch and likely for them to not stay shiny once caught. 12:55 [Correction] Ruby and Sapphire used the internal clock (which ran on a battery) to generate *the initial RNG seed*. Every frame that the game is running (60 frames per second), the RNG function is called and a new seed is generated, but in Emerald or with a dry battery in Ruby and Sapphire the RNG starts at the same place every time you reset the game and has the same sequence of seeds every time, which makes soft reset hunts unviable unless you have a shiny frame early on, but random encounter and runaway hunts are pretty much unaffected. 15:54 [Correction] If this number is less than 8 (prior to Gen 6) or less than 16 (Gen 6+) 16:01 [Correction] Because it's possible for this number to be 0, there are 65536 possible values it can have. Dividing this number by 8 gives exactly 8192. This is where the odds come from, it's not rounded from 8191.875. 17:58 [Correction] The odd egg isn't broken at all, it's fully intentional to have a more common shiny. Every Pokemon in Gen 2 has a 1/128 to have the "shiny gene" (the same set of IVs that a shiny pokemon would pass down through breeding). Since these IVs are always passed down exactly as they are, a hatchling whose IVs were inherited from a shiny gene pokemon has a 1/64 chance to be shiny, and hatchlings who inherit from a pokemon without the shiny gene cannot be shiny. Additionally, as IVs are always passed down to offspring of the opposite gender, shiny breeding will normally give a 1/128 chance, but can be as high as 1/85.3 or as low as 1/192 for species with a 1:3 gender ratio. With how gender is also determined by IVs, pokemon with a 7 male to 1 female gender ratio can never be both female and shiny in Gen 2, and so the only way to breed for a shiny of these species is with a shiny gene mother, and such breeding gives the full 1/64 odds, while breeding these species with a shiny gene male will never give a shiny. Ditto overrides all this by passing its IVs to both genders of offspring, so a shiny gene Ditto will always give 1/64 shiny odds. 18:27 [Addition] There is some evidence, such as the artist who designed Golurk stating that they weren't allowed to choose the shiny color, and future designers (I don't remember of which pokemon) have stated they chose their pokemon's shiny colors. This isn't necessarily confirmation of an algorithm though. 20:25 [Addition] Ash Cap Pikachu's shiny lock is faulty in the exact opposite way the Colosseum's were. It generates a PID which is locked to your trainer ID, but then gives it the OT information of Ash. Unlike Colosseum, where the trainer ID was random each time, Ash's ID is always the same so there's a 1/4096 chance that a save file will have the same trainer shiny number as Ash (1009) which properly shiny locks Pikachu. Also, if it isn't shiny locked it technically has a 1/4095 chance to be shiny instead of a 1/4096 chance. 22:17 [Addition] Gen 3 had even weirder shiny odds for Unown. Every Unown form could be shiny, but because the form was determined by PID (instead of an independent form value like in later generations) the odds of each form being shiny varied quite a bit. These ranged from as high as 1/5120 to as low as 1/18432, and there were four different sets of shiny probabilities depending on your trainer ID and secret ID. In all cases though, the odds of a random Unown being shiny when ignoring its form is still 1/8192.
The terminology pertaining to RNG isn't quite right. The seed is the initial number that's fed into the RNG algorithm, from which all of the proceeding numbers are generated. Only that initial number would be called a seed.
@@supra_sr For recursive generators, it's not uncommon to refer to more than just the initial input as a seed, as each number is used exactly the same way as the seed to generate the next number. For example: "First, the generator must have a seed, a number to start with. This number is usually a date and time referring to the first time that the algorithm is called during the usage of the device or the software's active session. Seeds are also occasionally derived from user input, as it is highly improbable to do the exact same thing more than once, making it appear 'random'. This number is put through a complex algorithm, and the result is formatted according to the needed context. *The raw result then becomes the seed for any subsequent uses of the random generator.* Therefore, the nature of the generator is a recursive algorithm." Source: Bulbapedia, "Pseudorandom Number Generation"
8:08 for anyone wondering the max fishing chain is 20 and the odds of encountering a shiny while on a chain of 20 or higher are indeed 1/100 without the shiny charm, and 1/95 with the shiny charm.
I’m glad we’re talking about shiny cards in the tgc; I got a shiny Azumarill card when I was way younger, and she has never been taken out of her x/y mega charizard binder
Seeing this and actually learning about the TCG gold star pokemon more in detail is great. As a kid I collected cards because of how much I loved the art... and stumbled upon that gold star charizard in the process. Still have it to this day despite not collecting anymore. I really treasure it.
Gold star pokemon are some of my favorite cards. Thank you for sharing that, it’s so wholesome. Have you ever considered getting the card graded at all?
Great video :) I learned a surprising amount of things that i didnt know. The only things I would add are the shiny clothing from the Battle revolution games and the end credits shinies in rumble.
8:47 Oh god the uncatchable poochyena. I had that in a casual playthrough of Ruby I was doing on an emulator many many MANY years ago. To this day that brown dumbass haunts me whenever shiny pokemon come up in conversations with friends. That was also my first and ONLY full odds shiny spawn I've ever had across all games I've played :c
What a great vid! This is my first time seeing your content and you are super underrated. The only thing I saw wrong in the vid was at 7:26 It was not known for quite some time but the chance of encountering a star sparkle shiny in the wild is WAY more than just 1/16. The true odds are around 1/18,000,000 and there have been only around ~13 to be found. I love your vids and hope to see more!!
bro sounds like a cutie patootie jokes aside though this commentary/editing style is really chill and i even learned a couple new things so thanks for that 🙏🙏 hope to see this channel go far
oh stop ittttt🙈 i appreciate this comment a ton! i’m glad you enjoyed and were able to learn a few things as well. i make this videos for fun, so im just glad people find them entertaining at all ☺️ thank you for watching!
First of all: Absolutely fantastic video! Second: What happened to Whismaker Jirachi, it is literally one of the most iconic shinys out there…? (And one of the most expensive ones too…)
Great point! I knew there would be things I would miss just with how massive of a topic shiny pokemon is, but I don’t know how I forgot this one lol. I think I may make a follow up video if there are enough facts to warrant it. Thank you for watching ☺️
I find it kinda interesting that when it comes to odds, cutting the number in half is actually doubling the odds. It just feels very counter intuitive when you think about it. A 1 in 16k would be cutting the old full odds in half.
In Pokémon go odds for community day shinies are 1/20, for raids it depends on the pokemon; legendaries are 1/20, others are 1/64 and for wild pokemon that are NOT shiny locked, its 1/500 for common spawns and 1/64 for rare spawns
@@paulycrossing honestly there’s a little more that I don’t know about too much, but im aware that some raids have higher shiny chances than others but im not sure if its 1/10 or 1/20 for mega raids
You forgot to mention the coin case glitch in gen 2 and also since you brought up Saturns toxicroak what about ashs butterfree’s gf or the snow colored snorlaxes
Some clarifications on the Gen 1 Shiny Lock portion. Like you said, not all stats match up for Gen 1 Pokemon when they're brought into Gen 2 to be shiny. Where it goes deeper though is that only a few handfuls of Pokemon can actually roll the stats to become shiny in the Gen 1 games. There is a bug involving the CPU timing for generating random values for if a wild encounter will occur, which encounter it will be, and then lastly the stats of the wild encounter. By the time it hits that last part, the algorithm will no longer be randomized. Because of this any walking encounter--cave, tall grass, surfing, etc. cannot be shiny. This means that only fishing encounters, gift Pokemon(starters, Celadon Eevee, Silph Lapras, Game Corner prizes) and static Pokemon(Snorlaxes, Power Plant Voltorbs/Electrodes, Legendary Birds, Mewtwo) can be shiny. Where the iceberg gets deeper is that what I just said isn't entirely true. Because of how unsecure the Gen 1 games are, you can make any Pokemon shiny. What you do is take a normal Pokemon from a walking encounter and perform some memory manipulation via overflow glitch to produce the stats required to be shiny. But this is waaay more complex than most players would go through.
Woah! Thank you so much for the deep dive on this, it’s so interesting. I figured that’s what this was referencing, but having it explained like this definitely makes it a lot clearer ☺️
Can't believe this doenst have a like 100k + views. Insane quality, made me remember my first shiny i catched when i was like 8 (it was a pidgey in gold - didnt even realised that the colour is different lmao)
i really appreciate the comment! that’s an extremely wholesome memory, i feel like you never forget your first shiny lol that’s awesome thank you for watching :)
I never see anyone talk about the gen 4 cute charm glitch anymore, where if you had a certain trainer ID you could have a cute charm pokemon out in front and have absolutely ridiculous shiny odds for wild encounters. It was a really cool thing back in the day
The only legit shiny I found was a Wurmple (if that's how you spell it) in Pokémon Emerald. I was so excited. Shinys used to be special and super rare. Not throwing shade, but it's so...systematic... now it's just kinda blah to me. Love the idea of think of some kid, back in Gen 2 stumbling across a Shiny in the wild (that's not red garados) and that punchy sound effect and sparkle confusing them along with the off color. Catching it and showing it off at school to the amazement of their friends. All of them bargening their own pokemon trying to trade for it. So cool.
16:26 my mum used to buy us 1 pack of Pokemon cards every week if we were good, one time my brother pulled a shining charizard. It was the rarest card I've ever seen, had 3x stars in the bottom left. Sadly we lost it, it now retails for around $1500-2000
I’ve only ever found 4 shinys while playing through the games. I almost feel lucky as I’ve seen others say that they’ve never found a single wild shiny. I’m no shiny hunter but it was interesting to learn about the history of such a simple yet not so simple aspect of the franchise.
I thought I knew everything about shinies, but I learned a couple things today!! I've never heard about the shiny illusion legendary beasts, that's so interesting
I appreciate this comment a ton! I make these videos for fun in my spare time, I’m just happy people find them as enjoyable to watch as they are to make. Thank you for watching ☺️
I remember my first shiny pokemon. A venonat that I caught in Gold Version during the bug catching contest. I didn't know what shiny pokemon were. Just that the Venonat had blue eyes instead of red. I caught it, and won the contest. I was so happy when I found out it was a super rare thing. I named it Blue Eyes and leveled it up on my team, even took it to the elite 4 and won! It was awesome!
I always feel so proud that I found two full odd shinies before the rate change in gen 6. Of course it was Lillipup and Vulaby, but still cool I found em!
Thank you for this. My first shiny Pokemon was full odds Doduo in Pokemon Crystal, caught it in Kanto. I was 10 or 11 years old. It was the same save file I defeated Ho-oh and Lugia without catching them. It was also the same save file my Feraligatr didn't learn "Slash", because I misread it as "Splash". I thought it was so bizarre they would teach my Pokemon such a weak move so late in its levels.
My first ever shiny was the uncatchable pooch but it was because I hadn’t received any pokeballs yet not because I was shiny hunting the starters. Terrible experience.
That’s brutal. I’m familiar with the uncatchable pooch and have unfortunately met the same fate lol. I hope you at least got the shiny starter eventually! ✨
4:50 small correction but that's isn't how that works it would be 4/100 since the encounters per resets/run changes depending on what you catch not the odds/chance of the Pokemon being shiny. Think of it as dice roll, you roll 4 dice with a hundred sides and one of these numbers on each side equates to a shiny. Its not 1 dice that has 25 sides if you see what I mean. Beside that great video!
yeah i know each shiny probability event is independent and not mutually exclusive from each other. the overall odds of at least one shiny in adventure results are ~4/300 = 1/75 without shiny charm, ~4/100 = 1/25 with shiny charm. i agree i dont think i clarified that well enough, thanks for pointing that out!
I actually did the gen 4 shiny charm glitch, it took 3ish hours just to get my trainer ID and seeker ID matched and another 4 hours to catch the correct clefairy with cute charm. I now have 2ish boxes of shinies lol
In XY and oras chain fishing, the chain is not broken unless 1. you miss the timing on the reel in 2. you don't catch or knock it out or 3. you leave the area you can move as much as you want within the area and your chain is still active
When I was younger I had a fire red run in which I caught a shiny voltorb with explosion/selfdestruct, that I found in the power plant. Will never forget it. And in my current fire red run being older, I got a lucky egg on my fourth chansey (tho I encountered way more that fled lol)
I remember back in elementary school one of the kids on my bus had a damaged gold star Charizard. Even then the card was worth hundreds if not over a thousand dollars, and I remember being blown away and asking to take a picture lol
My first ever shiny was a shiny Suicune in my cousin's Crystal. I don't have that particular Suicune anymore, but I did hunt it in my Soul Silver and got it almost immediately. Every game where Suicune is huntable, I hunt Suicune first alongside Giratina. So far, the only game I haven't gotten Suicune(or any shiny) in is my Shield...
No I didn’t! There’s so much shiny pokemon I was bound to miss something. I think I’ll compile all the stuff I missed and make a follow up video. Thank you for commenting 🥳
12:41 - I really really wish you elaborated on this more for the people who don't already know about it!! Very big missed opportunity! In Colosseum, you didn't know if a shadow pokemon you caught was shiny or not until after you purify it in the Relic Forest.
yea my first shiny was the impossible poochyena, i remember not really knowing what shinies were or their importance, but i remember just sitting there staring at my screen for like 20min knowing i couldnt catch it
The Cute Charm glitch is actually easier to pull off than one might think! 😅 With a proper guide, I managed to get a save file with the right setup and have a team of female shinies I'm running through SoulSilver with ☆
The zoroark thing you mentioned reminds me of arven’s pokemon. They can be shiny, but *only* in the animation of him throwing them out. Once properly in battle, they aren’t
Here’s a fact I didn’t think you added. Dylan Lefavour won the 2008 TCG world championship with a shiny Mew. That shiny mew was available in the silver boarder world champion booster deck that included a copy of his deck. Can I tell you that light blue looks so clean with that silver boarder. P.S. I only know this because I have the card :P great video
I added several points to this iceberg that I thought would be interesting as well as omitting points if there wasn't sufficient enough information to speak to it. Feel free to correct anything I got incorrect in the comments. There was a decent amount to cover, so i'm sure something slipped through the cracks. My typical style of content isn't going anywhere, just wanted to make something for the sake of having fun. Gotta make stuff to clear the mental sometimes, y'know?
Enjoy :)
Finally found my shiny type null while watching this
@@austinshirley4253 congrats!!!!
There's only a handful of videos, that's why. Keep at it, you'll get more subs.
fun fact: EVERY toxicroak in the anime is still colored wrong. alllll the way up to Pokémon Journeys. they ALL look like the psuedo shiny. Saturns was just seen first.
oooo that’s actually really interesting! appreciate the clarification on this ☺️
On a similar note, Giovanni's Persian in the anime more closely matches its shiny appearance in the games.
My favorite pokemon all time
its really funny, bc of the recent leak all anime reference sheets until bw were leaked and can confirm toxicroak is colored wrong *in* the refence sheet! with the a picture of the normal colored toxicroak in the top right LMAO
Honestly I didn't know but the shiny Hunter in the anime that makes me smile. I might go watch it now. I really do need to see Ash all on his journey
the luckiest thing to ever happen to me in my life was finding 2 full odds shiny budews within 30 minutes of each other in platinum
I think I have you beat. A Wooper and a Quagsire within three encounters of one another in the same location. Same nature. Nearly the same IVs. I leveled the Wooper two levels up and evolved it to compare the two. Most of the stats were the same. Different abilities though.
That’s insane!
Wooper is such a good shiny!
My luckiest Shiny moment was coincidentally with the first shiny I ever caught/encountered! I was playing a Platinum nuzlocke and I ran into a shiny Geodude as a completely legitimate encounter - it was *actually* the 1st encounter on that route/area - didn't even need to use the "shiny clause" that some people opt to play with.
I remember my very first shiny was a Tentacool in Pokémon Ruby. This was back in 2007-08 and I didn’t have access to the internet like we do now, so I remember keeping it in a box and never evolving or even leveling it up cause I was so scared the color change was a glitch and would revert to normal colors lmao
this is such a wholesome memory aw thank you for sharing!!
I have seen so many stories of people thinking shinies were just a glitch and then killing it
I randomly ran into a shiny zebstrika when I was little, got scared thinking my game was broken so I fainted it :’) now it feels wrong to catch shiny zebstrikas
My first shiny was also a Tentacool in Emerald
Suggests taking a shot everytime he says shiny & then says shiny 8 times in the next 60 seconds, this is what true evil looks like guys
all jokes aside this video is really well made & I hope it continues to reach a wider audience :)
I appreciate this comment tons!
Pokémon emerald doesn’t act like the internal battery is dry. It still has time based events. What makes emerald broken is the seed never changes when you reset. It is always 0 so all frames across all games will be the same only differing in shininess based off the trainers ID and secret ID
Wait, did we not cover Jiggly Puff? In the early seasons of the anime there is a reoccurring jiggly puff that just wants people to listen to it sing, but everyone falls asleep. Anyway, this Jigglypuff is shiny, you can tell because of its eye color. This jigglypuff appears starting in "The Song of Jigglypuff" which takes place before the Orange Archipelago arch, and before Jhoto, making it the first appearance of a shiny pokemon within the anime.
Good point!!
I remember this gag vividly but had never considered it being a shiny, thanks for pointing it out!
E/ went and checked and not sure I agree it’s shiny, I wanted to but I don’t think so. Some images show greenish eyes but not enough to convince me it’s intentional.
“Take shots every time I say shiny” dude, I’m 2:09 minutes in and can’t take more, in just that small timeframe I counted over 15 shiny, if someone does it to the end I hope they don’t end in ER
Shiny pokemon shiny pokemon shiny pokemon (take three more🙈)
For Let's Go, it was found that the Catch Combo boost applies to the next Pokemon of that chain that spawns only, so after it spawns you would need to catch another to get another shiny boosted spawn!
Ahhh okay interesting! Thank you for the clarification ☺️
One of my favorite shiny memories was using action replay to really mess with the gen 4 games. I used an "all pokemon shiny" cheat just to see what other shiny pokemon were like, but forgot to initiate it when the game was booting up. At the time i thought, i was fully convinces that i did succesfully initiate the cheat.
The first pokemon I came across was a random shiny goldbat, a pokemon whose normal form i avoid like the plague. I thought "i can probably skip this, ill be seeing loads of shiny golbats." But then something within me changed, and i thought "know what, ill see if i can catch one of each shiny." So i caught it.
Next thing you know my next encounter was not shiny. "What the hell " i thought. I saved the game and attempted again, this time realizing i missed a step where i had to hold both the left and right triggers as the game boots up so the AR could do its thing.
It didnt hit me until after i saw my shiny golbat that i realized i saw an *actual shiny* totally by chance, after being fully convinced it was just a cheat shiny.
Those days as a kid were so much fun... i named that golbat "Goldbat" and never evolved it.
Goldbat is such a dope name. I love stories like this! Thank you for sharing :)))
Its crazy to think that in gen 1-5, 1 in 8000 kids saw a shiny as their first pokemon and other kids never ended up seeing a shiny even after playing hundreds of hours
Got a shiny Pidgey on LeafGreen didn’t understand and i think I ran or defeated it and never understood what happened until a shiny Skuntank in Diamond and of course it KO’d itself
The only full odds shiny I ever found pre gen-5 was a random Mesprit, which is cool, but also kinda weird that from all the possible pokemons it was a roaming legendary
Woahhhhh that’s amazing congrats!!
My only full 1/8000 odds shiny was one that i accidentally found WHILE hunting for a roaming legendary 😂
same here! the first shiny I ever caught was the Mesprit from Platinum. I remember the first time it showed up I was on a road trip with my family, and I was so excited to get a shiny legendary that I screamed and nearly scared my mom so bad that she swerved off the road. safe to say, she wasn't amused when she learned why we nearly crashed... 😅 I've still got the Mesprit in my Pokemon Home!
My first one was Magnemite in gold, BEFORE the red gyarados
I am actually surprised that this video only has 57 views (at the time of watching) Your videos are really high quality man. I hope your break through comes
i appreciate this comment tons! i make these videos for fun i’m just glad people enjoy them at all ☺️
thank you for watching :)
Gained a few more views lol
This comment is aging well
@@paulycrossing well, i'd say you got what you deserved :O congrats!
I mean, when you click on a video that only came out minutes ago, then you have to expect that it has less than 100 views, duh.
18:47 lockstin and gnoggin basically reverse engineered the algorithm that would have generated the vast majority of the shinies from gen 2 - gen 5. There are a couple of pokemon that don't apply like charizard because those were likely manually changed after gen 2 which is why they look different in gen 3, perhaps because they wanted to put the design on the playing cards.
Ohhh interesting! I’ll have to check that out 🥰
dunno if someone else has said it but i'm guessing the gen one shiny lock refers to the fact that non static pokemon cannot have the DVs (stats) to be shiny
that’s what i thought too!
I once found a shiny pidgey as my first ever encounter in crystal...before you could get pokeballs
That’s bruuuuutal
That actually only applies to soft resetting the starters, Game freak forced us to use the masuda method to get the starters you get at the beginning of the game
Thats what i was referring to yeah :)
I think its lame they're shiny locked. I think it should be our choice to avoid hunts like that and not have the option stripped away completely.
Me and some pals are very drunk after taking a drink after each time shiny was said
Huge
I drank every time you said the word shiny. I am now in hospital getting my stomach pumped. Thanks Paulycrossing! Was worth it!
Chug chug chug
I drank water every time he said shiny and now I feel great! Thanks Paulycrossing!
Im a man of the people what can I say
18:58 This Is The Happiest Psyduck I've Ever Seen, Misty's Could Never
This psyduck looks like it’s never had a headache lol
@@paulycrossing That Psyduck Got Its Mind On The Right Place/Track
Dude you deserve waaaay more recognition! Great video!
i appreciate this tons! I make these videos for fun, i’m just glad people find them enjoyable ☺️
thank you for watching!
My favourite part of this video is the Banjo Kazooie theme in the background at one stage
it’s kind of a banger
love your video style so much!! the background music is all so great too :') keep it up!
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Ok that one’s on me
I’m glad there’s so much lore about these cool rare Pokemon.
Great iceberg! I was surprised to see the shiny Gible and Dratini mentioned, but not the Beldum given by Steven Stone :]
Anyway, it's great stuff!
ahhh good point! i knew there would be certain things i’d miss maybe if i compile enough ill make a follow up ☺️
Corrections and additional information:
7:16 [Correction] Square sparkles appear to be fully intended to be a 1/16 chance, but to to an oversight with how shinies are generated in the wild specifically in Sword and Shield, they actually have a 15/65536 (approximately 1/4096) chance to be a star shiny, and a 65521/65536 (approximately 1/1) chance to be square shiny. This does not apply to static encounters such as the Regis, who have a 1/16 chance to be square. Every shiny transferred into Sword and Shield will have a 1/16 chance of star sparkle, with the exception of pokemon which didn't use standard shiny rolls (such as Pokeradar, Ultra Wormholes, or Scarlet/Violet's 1/200 odds event outbreaks) which are similarly unintentionally square, and event Fateful Encounter pokemon which are specifically coded to always be square. It's also worth noting that Dynamax Adventures shinies are always star, which seems intentional.
12:23 [Addition] Prior to Gen 8, if you traded an egg to another game, it would hatch as shiny based on that game's TSV, rather than the TSV of the trainer who obtained the egg. This was the mechanic that allowed the shiny Manaphy hunt, and people also had used it to trade their eggs for easier shinies. There's also a more general PSV (Pokemon Shiny Value) which is actually the same value as the ESV but the term is more common for things such as RNG manipulation while the term ESV is only really used for egg swapping.
12:40 [Addition] While all shadow pokemon were intended to be shiny locked, Pokemon Colosseum had a faulty system that shiny locked it to the opponent trainers but not to the player's trainer. This means a shiny pokemon will only appear shiny after it's caught. A shadow pokemon's stats (including PID) are determined only the first time they're sent out in battle, and the trainers have random TIDs every time they're battled, it's possible for a trainer to have a shiny shadow pokemon during a rematch and likely for them to not stay shiny once caught.
12:55 [Correction] Ruby and Sapphire used the internal clock (which ran on a battery) to generate *the initial RNG seed*. Every frame that the game is running (60 frames per second), the RNG function is called and a new seed is generated, but in Emerald or with a dry battery in Ruby and Sapphire the RNG starts at the same place every time you reset the game and has the same sequence of seeds every time, which makes soft reset hunts unviable unless you have a shiny frame early on, but random encounter and runaway hunts are pretty much unaffected.
15:54 [Correction] If this number is less than 8 (prior to Gen 6) or less than 16 (Gen 6+)
16:01 [Correction] Because it's possible for this number to be 0, there are 65536 possible values it can have. Dividing this number by 8 gives exactly 8192. This is where the odds come from, it's not rounded from 8191.875.
17:58 [Correction] The odd egg isn't broken at all, it's fully intentional to have a more common shiny. Every Pokemon in Gen 2 has a 1/128 to have the "shiny gene" (the same set of IVs that a shiny pokemon would pass down through breeding). Since these IVs are always passed down exactly as they are, a hatchling whose IVs were inherited from a shiny gene pokemon has a 1/64 chance to be shiny, and hatchlings who inherit from a pokemon without the shiny gene cannot be shiny. Additionally, as IVs are always passed down to offspring of the opposite gender, shiny breeding will normally give a 1/128 chance, but can be as high as 1/85.3 or as low as 1/192 for species with a 1:3 gender ratio. With how gender is also determined by IVs, pokemon with a 7 male to 1 female gender ratio can never be both female and shiny in Gen 2, and so the only way to breed for a shiny of these species is with a shiny gene mother, and such breeding gives the full 1/64 odds, while breeding these species with a shiny gene male will never give a shiny. Ditto overrides all this by passing its IVs to both genders of offspring, so a shiny gene Ditto will always give 1/64 shiny odds.
18:27 [Addition] There is some evidence, such as the artist who designed Golurk stating that they weren't allowed to choose the shiny color, and future designers (I don't remember of which pokemon) have stated they chose their pokemon's shiny colors. This isn't necessarily confirmation of an algorithm though.
20:25 [Addition] Ash Cap Pikachu's shiny lock is faulty in the exact opposite way the Colosseum's were. It generates a PID which is locked to your trainer ID, but then gives it the OT information of Ash. Unlike Colosseum, where the trainer ID was random each time, Ash's ID is always the same so there's a 1/4096 chance that a save file will have the same trainer shiny number as Ash (1009) which properly shiny locks Pikachu. Also, if it isn't shiny locked it technically has a 1/4095 chance to be shiny instead of a 1/4096 chance.
22:17 [Addition] Gen 3 had even weirder shiny odds for Unown. Every Unown form could be shiny, but because the form was determined by PID (instead of an independent form value like in later generations) the odds of each form being shiny varied quite a bit. These ranged from as high as 1/5120 to as low as 1/18432, and there were four different sets of shiny probabilities depending on your trainer ID and secret ID. In all cases though, the odds of a random Unown being shiny when ignoring its form is still 1/8192.
This is awesome I really appreciate you doing this! Always appreciate clarification when necessary 🫶🫡
The terminology pertaining to RNG isn't quite right. The seed is the initial number that's fed into the RNG algorithm, from which all of the proceeding numbers are generated. Only that initial number would be called a seed.
@@supra_sr For recursive generators, it's not uncommon to refer to more than just the initial input as a seed, as each number is used exactly the same way as the seed to generate the next number. For example:
"First, the generator must have a seed, a number to start with. This number is usually a date and time referring to the first time that the algorithm is called during the usage of the device or the software's active session. Seeds are also occasionally derived from user input, as it is highly improbable to do the exact same thing more than once, making it appear 'random'.
This number is put through a complex algorithm, and the result is formatted according to the needed context. *The raw result then becomes the seed for any subsequent uses of the random generator.* Therefore, the nature of the generator is a recursive algorithm."
Source: Bulbapedia, "Pseudorandom Number Generation"
I LOVE how indepth and detailed the video was and on such an interesting topic. Great job!!
I appreciate the kind words! Thank you for watching :)
this was nice, the pressure in this was worth it and you did great!
I appreciate this!!
8:08 for anyone wondering the max fishing chain is 20 and the odds of encountering a shiny while on a chain of 20 or higher are indeed 1/100 without the shiny charm, and 1/95 with the shiny charm.
I think it would be awesome if there was a “shiny hunter” trainer class you could encounter and battle against
Million dollar idea right there honestly. game freak take notes
really enjoyed this vid. cozy and digestible for sure. subbed
I’m glad we’re talking about shiny cards in the tgc; I got a shiny Azumarill card when I was way younger, and she has never been taken out of her x/y mega charizard binder
I had that card too!
Seeing this and actually learning about the TCG gold star pokemon more in detail is great. As a kid I collected cards because of how much I loved the art... and stumbled upon that gold star charizard in the process. Still have it to this day despite not collecting anymore. I really treasure it.
Gold star pokemon are some of my favorite cards. Thank you for sharing that, it’s so wholesome. Have you ever considered getting the card graded at all?
Great video :) I learned a surprising amount of things that i didnt know.
The only things I would add are the shiny clothing from the Battle revolution games and the end credits shinies in rumble.
Woah great points!
8:47 Oh god the uncatchable poochyena. I had that in a casual playthrough of Ruby I was doing on an emulator many many MANY years ago. To this day that brown dumbass haunts me whenever shiny pokemon come up in conversations with friends.
That was also my first and ONLY full odds shiny spawn I've ever had across all games I've played :c
That’s bruuuutal
20:25
You left out a really funny detail about this one because it is TECHNICALLY shiny locked, but only for Ash Ketchum's trainer ID
22:40 - “plooved that” lmao
I have a fat tongue that ones on me
Shut your mouth racist
100% earned a sub for this. I knew all of them, but great content!
I appreciate this!
What a great vid! This is my first time seeing your content and you are super underrated. The only thing I saw wrong in the vid was at 7:26
It was not known for quite some time but the chance of encountering a star sparkle shiny in the wild is WAY more than just 1/16. The true odds are around 1/18,000,000 and there have been only around ~13 to be found. I love your vids and hope to see more!!
woah interesting! i appreciate you for clarifying that, i must’ve missed that while doing research for the vid. thanks for the comment 🥳
No problem! I love your content and will definitely be seeing more. You gained a sub! ❤️
bro sounds like a cutie patootie
jokes aside though this commentary/editing style is really chill and i even learned a couple new things so thanks for that 🙏🙏 hope to see this channel go far
oh stop ittttt🙈
i appreciate this comment a ton! i’m glad you enjoyed and were able to learn a few things as well. i make this videos for fun, so im just glad people find them entertaining at all ☺️
thank you for watching!
First of all: Absolutely fantastic video!
Second: What happened to Whismaker Jirachi, it is literally one of the most iconic shinys out there…?
(And one of the most expensive ones too…)
Great point! I knew there would be things I would miss just with how massive of a topic shiny pokemon is, but I don’t know how I forgot this one lol. I think I may make a follow up video if there are enough facts to warrant it.
Thank you for watching ☺️
Good job, you attracted the owner of a Living Shiny Dex.
Ooooo
This is a great video to watch while doing the Masuda method ✨
Good luck!
I'm a huge shiny fan and i didnt know about some of these things!! ty for the info :)
Being an avid shiny hunter, I believe there was only 2-3 things I didn't know in this whole iceberg. It's cool to learn something new!
I find it kinda interesting that when it comes to odds, cutting the number in half is actually doubling the odds. It just feels very counter intuitive when you think about it. A 1 in 16k would be cutting the old full odds in half.
In Pokémon go odds for community day shinies are 1/20, for raids it depends on the pokemon; legendaries are 1/20, others are 1/64 and for wild pokemon that are NOT shiny locked, its 1/500 for common spawns and 1/64 for rare spawns
Woah thanks for sharing!
@@paulycrossing honestly there’s a little more that I don’t know about too much, but im aware that some raids have higher shiny chances than others but im not sure if its 1/10 or 1/20 for mega raids
Good video Pauly, looking forward to your next upload
i appreciate the kind words! working on a few different projects, so hoping to upload again soon ☺️
You forgot to mention the coin case glitch in gen 2 and also since you brought up Saturns toxicroak what about ashs butterfree’s gf or the snow colored snorlaxes
IMPORTANT QUESTION! what is the song you used at 3:30 - 5:52 ?!?!
Gourmet race
Some clarifications on the Gen 1 Shiny Lock portion. Like you said, not all stats match up for Gen 1 Pokemon when they're brought into Gen 2 to be shiny. Where it goes deeper though is that only a few handfuls of Pokemon can actually roll the stats to become shiny in the Gen 1 games. There is a bug involving the CPU timing for generating random values for if a wild encounter will occur, which encounter it will be, and then lastly the stats of the wild encounter. By the time it hits that last part, the algorithm will no longer be randomized. Because of this any walking encounter--cave, tall grass, surfing, etc. cannot be shiny. This means that only fishing encounters, gift Pokemon(starters, Celadon Eevee, Silph Lapras, Game Corner prizes) and static Pokemon(Snorlaxes, Power Plant Voltorbs/Electrodes, Legendary Birds, Mewtwo) can be shiny.
Where the iceberg gets deeper is that what I just said isn't entirely true. Because of how unsecure the Gen 1 games are, you can make any Pokemon shiny. What you do is take a normal Pokemon from a walking encounter and perform some memory manipulation via overflow glitch to produce the stats required to be shiny. But this is waaay more complex than most players would go through.
Woah! Thank you so much for the deep dive on this, it’s so interesting. I figured that’s what this was referencing, but having it explained like this definitely makes it a lot clearer ☺️
Can't believe this doenst have a like 100k + views.
Insane quality, made me remember my first shiny i catched when i was like 8 (it was a pidgey in gold - didnt even realised that the colour is different lmao)
i really appreciate the comment! that’s an extremely wholesome memory, i feel like you never forget your first shiny lol that’s awesome
thank you for watching :)
I never see anyone talk about the gen 4 cute charm glitch anymore, where if you had a certain trainer ID you could have a cute charm pokemon out in front and have absolutely ridiculous shiny odds for wild encounters. It was a really cool thing back in the day
I used to watch hamsterbombs hgss cute charm play through I thought it was the coolest thing
@@paulycrossing yeah me too! Good memories
My first two full odd shinies were Riolu and Scyther. Both times I waited hours so I could show my cousin what I found
That’s awesome!
Bro this has 140k views but only 2k subs bro is underrated af
Appreciate this🫶
The only legit shiny I found was a Wurmple (if that's how you spell it) in Pokémon Emerald. I was so excited.
Shinys used to be special and super rare. Not throwing shade, but it's so...systematic... now it's just kinda blah to me.
Love the idea of think of some kid, back in Gen 2 stumbling across a Shiny in the wild (that's not red garados) and that punchy sound effect and sparkle confusing them along with the off color. Catching it and showing it off at school to the amazement of their friends. All of them bargening their own pokemon trying to trade for it.
So cool.
I love this!
My first shiny in the older games was in crystal but it was before pokeballs were introduced so i couldn't catch it, it was a shiny sentret. 😢
Nice video dude!
16:26 my mum used to buy us 1 pack of Pokemon cards every week if we were good, one time my brother pulled a shining charizard. It was the rarest card I've ever seen, had 3x stars in the bottom left. Sadly we lost it, it now retails for around $1500-2000
I laughed when you said make it a drinking game and accepted the challenge. I gave up quickly 🤣
Chug chug chug
Finally a Pokemon iceberg for me (I am a very dedicated shiny hunter)
I’ve only ever found 4 shinys while playing through the games. I almost feel lucky as I’ve seen others say that they’ve never found a single wild shiny. I’m no shiny hunter but it was interesting to learn about the history of such a simple yet not so simple aspect of the franchise.
There really is a lot of history surrounding this one mechanic, it’s pretty interesting. I appreciate the comment, thank you for watching 🥳🫶
‘A shiny is a shiny at the end of the day’
I couldn’t agree less with a statement, when the shiny odds are under 1000
I thought I knew everything about shinies, but I learned a couple things today!! I've never heard about the shiny illusion legendary beasts, that's so interesting
Ah yes, the video that explodes your channel, congrats!!! Subscribed :)
I appreciate this comment a ton! I make these videos for fun in my spare time, I’m just happy people find them as enjoyable to watch as they are to make. Thank you for watching ☺️
Crazy amount of information for a new comer but very concise as well.
Wasn't the pink butterfree the first shiny introduced into the pokemon anime? Not Noctowl
I remember my first shiny pokemon. A venonat that I caught in Gold Version during the bug catching contest. I didn't know what shiny pokemon were. Just that the Venonat had blue eyes instead of red. I caught it, and won the contest. I was so happy when I found out it was a super rare thing. I named it Blue Eyes and leveled it up on my team, even took it to the elite 4 and won! It was awesome!
I always feel so proud that I found two full odd shinies before the rate change in gen 6.
Of course it was Lillipup and Vulaby, but still cool I found em!
MY GOAT POSTED! AMAZING VIDEO LIKE ALWAYS!!
I LOVE THE BANJO AND KAZOOIE MUSIC!
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Thank you for this. My first shiny Pokemon was full odds Doduo in Pokemon Crystal, caught it in Kanto. I was 10 or 11 years old. It was the same save file I defeated Ho-oh and Lugia without catching them. It was also the same save file my Feraligatr didn't learn "Slash", because I misread it as "Splash". I thought it was so bizarre they would teach my Pokemon such a weak move so late in its levels.
Reading it as “splash” is so funny lol. Thank you for sharing ☺️
This was a really well done video.
Great job🙂👍
i appreciate this thank you!!
dayum this is good. and a small creator too
My first ever shiny was the uncatchable pooch but it was because I hadn’t received any pokeballs yet not because I was shiny hunting the starters. Terrible experience.
That’s brutal. I’m familiar with the uncatchable pooch and have unfortunately met the same fate lol. I hope you at least got the shiny starter eventually! ✨
4:50 small correction but that's isn't how that works it would be 4/100 since the encounters per resets/run changes depending on what you catch not the odds/chance of the Pokemon being shiny. Think of it as dice roll, you roll 4 dice with a hundred sides and one of these numbers on each side equates to a shiny. Its not 1 dice that has 25 sides if you see what I mean. Beside that great video!
yeah i know each shiny probability event is independent and not mutually exclusive from each other. the overall odds of at least one shiny in adventure results are ~4/300 = 1/75 without shiny charm, ~4/100 = 1/25 with shiny charm. i agree i dont think i clarified that well enough, thanks for pointing that out!
got me feeling myself for knowing a lot more even less known shiny facts thanks to BlueBoyPhin's videos
I soft resetted fire red all day for a shiny Charmander as a kid and my mum threw the cart out years later by accident hahah
I actually did the gen 4 shiny charm glitch, it took 3ish hours just to get my trainer ID and seeker ID matched and another 4 hours to catch the correct clefairy with cute charm. I now have 2ish boxes of shinies lol
Dang that’s impressive! I’ve thought about setting up a save file on my heart gold but it seems daunting lol
I think the broken unown odds entry refers to unown having varying shiny odds in gen 3
Ohhhh good point! Unown has had some history lol
The quality of your vid is amazing surprised you only have 1.8k subs ur worth of atleast 500k
I appreciate this a ton! Thank you ☺️
this is so informative and gives such great context to the entirety of the concept behind shinies
thank u for ur lecture professor 🤝🤝🤝
"All the way back in black and white 2" excuse me?
Oh its been out 12 years... I'm so old
Isn’t that crazy?
@@paulycrossing it's insanity
In XY and oras chain fishing, the chain is not broken unless
1. you miss the timing on the reel in
2. you don't catch or knock it out
or
3. you leave the area
you can move as much as you want within the area and your chain is still active
When I was younger I had a fire red run in which I caught a shiny voltorb with explosion/selfdestruct, that I found in the power plant. Will never forget it. And in my current fire red run being older, I got a lucky egg on my fourth chansey (tho I encountered way more that fled lol)
Shiny voltorb is such a good shiny ESPECIALLY in leaf green and fire red
I listened to this while playing and caught a shiny wurmple at full odds, so thanks for the luck
interesting thing about lgp/lge is the catch combo shiny odds only apply to the 1st pokemon of that chain to have those increased odds
Oh interesting! Thank you for the comment ☺️
I remember back in elementary school one of the kids on my bus had a damaged gold star Charizard. Even then the card was worth hundreds if not over a thousand dollars, and I remember being blown away and asking to take a picture lol
My first ever shiny was a shiny Suicune in my cousin's Crystal. I don't have that particular Suicune anymore, but I did hunt it in my Soul Silver and got it almost immediately. Every game where Suicune is huntable, I hunt Suicune first alongside Giratina. So far, the only game I haven't gotten Suicune(or any shiny) in is my Shield...
shiny suicune is an amazing first shiny
Heei man, great video!
Did you omit the shiny costume from Pokemon Battle Revolution on purpose?
No I didn’t! There’s so much shiny pokemon I was bound to miss something. I think I’ll compile all the stuff I missed and make a follow up video. Thank you for commenting 🥳
12:41 - I really really wish you elaborated on this more for the people who don't already know about it!! Very big missed opportunity! In Colosseum, you didn't know if a shadow pokemon you caught was shiny or not until after you purify it in the Relic Forest.
Thank you for the explanation!
yea my first shiny was the impossible poochyena, i remember not really knowing what shinies were or their importance, but i remember just sitting there staring at my screen for like 20min knowing i couldnt catch it
I’ve gotten the pooch a few times while hunting the hoenn starters it’s a bit painful every time lol
The true Iceberg would be the lengths it'd take to get a shiny of EVERY SINGLE obtainable pokemon that ever existed
Next time
22:00 Hey look it’s me.
The Cute Charm glitch is actually easier to pull off than one might think! 😅 With a proper guide, I managed to get a save file with the right setup and have a team of female shinies I'm running through SoulSilver with ☆
Nice video. I enjoyed it very much.
Thank you! I’m glad to hear you enjoyed it ☺️
8:38 poke-a-bawls
The zoroark thing you mentioned reminds me of arven’s pokemon. They can be shiny, but *only* in the animation of him throwing them out. Once properly in battle, they aren’t
Here’s a fact I didn’t think you added. Dylan Lefavour won the 2008 TCG world championship with a shiny Mew. That shiny mew was available in the silver boarder world champion booster deck that included a copy of his deck. Can I tell you that light blue looks so clean with that silver boarder.
P.S. I only know this because I have the card :P great video
Dude this is such an interesting fact! I had no clue, I’m gonna look into this more. Thank you for sharing ☺️
5:40 you didnt mentioned the revisioned lets go shiny hunt odds, is weird considering you talked about brilliants mons for gen 8