I think anyone that’s getting into bolt action rifles, need to watch these videos by Randy This man has more knowledge of cartridges and rifles than most anyone in the business. You can truly learn from this gentleman
This video fixed my trigger on my old Remington 700. I sprayed the trigger assembly with solvent(brake cleaner) and sure as sh*t a bunch of brown grease rinsed out. I let it dry and added deep creep(lube). It's perfect now. It used to be very hard to pull and no gunsmith in my area would help but now it's fixed. THANK YOU SIR!
Bought my Model 700 used in 1975. It was 2 years old. Have never had a problem and I'm just smart enough to know I'm stupid enough about the trigger settings to leave them the heck alone. Good information! Thank you!
Mr Shelby Very fine explanation of the "problem " with Remington 700 triggers. I have personally seen the HARDENED GREASE in several rifles. It does not take more than a year or two to harden. The point you make if people NOT KNOWING how to adjust the trigger is 100% dead on. The situation you shared while elk hunting has happened to me when I lived in PA. I used lock deicer to free up my trigger. The rifle I had I happen on was a Weatherby Mk V in 300 Win Mag. The mornings were around -20°F and heated up to about 35°F during the daytime. I stuck the rifle in a hard case with a lot of silica packs to try to absorb the moisture. The nights got down to below -30° in MN where we were hunting. Never again will I leave the gun in the truck overnight. Now it goes inside and gets a thorough wipe down and blown out with a hair dryer. I TRULY ENJOY all of the videos you have done. If I were 20 or 30 years younger I would be begging you to take me on for free as an apprentice. I saddens me to think that the knowledge you have will be lost one day. This nation needs individuals like yourself. So much experience and knowledge about your chosen profession. I THANK YOU . May the Lord Bless and Watch over you and your family.
Thanks Randy, i own several and have installed Timneys in 3 of them. i had the very situation you spoke about with grease on one when i was very young. I usually put 3 rounds into the magazine and push them down so the bolt will pass the cartridges and close the bolt this way when i arrived at my stand i only needed to load one into the chamber. This instance while dong this i noticed the bolt closed differently (like it does when you relieve the firing pin for storage) realizing something wasn't right I immediately dropped the cartridges from the magazine and returned to camp and took my back up out for the day. it was the grease that froze and gummed up the trigger mechanism allowing the firing pin to release automatically when you closed the bolt. Dangerous situation averted. Stay Safe My Friend
I have to agree with you on what you said. I am not a gunsmith but I have attended Remington's armorer school every three years since 1999. The first instructor I had stated to the class that people or shops would adjust triggers without knowing what to adjust or how to adjust it. He stated that the adjustment holes were sealed at the factory and when a rifle that had a firing on closing of the bolt came in, it was that someone adjusted the trigger incorrectly. In later classes I attended we were shown how to adjust the trigger weight screw only. Later classes told us that the trigger was not to be adjusted. This was done because of the law suits and media stories. Grease was never talked about but yes grease will harden over time and will attract a lot of dirt, dust, unburned gun powder. This will cause trigger problems as you mentioned. I also liked that you talked about keeping a gun cocked for long periods of time. I have argued with people about this and yes it is hard on spring life. I am glad you brought up ice building up inside an action in cold weather. Thank you for letting people know about these situations. Could you tell me were this information was online at?
I think the icing information is just general physics. Metal shrinks when cold and water condenses on it and freezes. He had it in his truck where he was breathing and giving off water vapor, then he took it outside into the cold where it froze. I'm testing out deep creep lube in my trigger which claims to absorb moisture but any kind of lube covering the metal should prevent ice-locking on your trigger. If you just clean it with solvent and then don't lube you can get ice-lock.
I just bought a 700BDL custom through a retail liquidation of Remington rifles. It was quite clearly a store demonstrator with some handling "kisses" from being carelessly hauled in and out of the rackand some rough handling by customers over however time they had it. The price was high,but,with some negotiation and a lot of patience,the price was dropped by a significant amount to make it a deal I simply couldn't walk away from. First thing I did when I got it home was to break it down completely and clean it well, including the trigger assembly which was plugged up filthy with too much oil and gunk,but,I couldn't see it was over-adjusted,so,I didn't change it. Re-assembled and taken to the range,it worked flawlessly and accurately. It's the first Remington rifle I've owned (being a dyed-in-the-wool Ruger fan),but,I have three Remington shotguns. This is going to be a "project" rifle to repair and re-finish the dings and dents on the stock and restore it to pristine condition.
@@earlyetman5588 Remington has been purchased by another investment group. Hopefully, the new owner will focus on quality and return the company to it's rightful spot as the country's top gun manufacturer!
This man is an expert on that he knows exactly what's going on with the trigger systems. I have a 788 that was made around 1972 and it is 22-250, and the trigger system is completely Frozen up. I could see the grease inside, not a whole lot of grease, but enough that the trigger just doesn't move at all including the sear and everything. I don't think it's too hard because I'm pretty handy but I'm going to completely take the trigger apart clean it like you said and also the bolt cuz you could see the grease in the bolt with the firing pin. I will give it a try
Of that u speak. We lost the best trigger assembly ever placed on a factory rifle. The scary thing too me is the loss someday of ur knowledge Sir. Thanks for the invaluable knowledge u hold.
I stumbled into this video when researching how to adjust my factory trigger. Think I’m better off installing a Timney to save myself the headache. Thank you sir.
You left the biggest one out! It might go boom when the safety was disengaged. I bought a brand new 700 BDL in 1978, and it would sometimes go boom when the safety was disengaged. It happened on the first day I got it, I thought I had my finger on the trigger, it was unloaded. Next time it did it my dog almost lost his life. I sent it back to Remington ( it has the inspection marks to prove it), and they fixed it and returned it without any explanation. I sent them a letter requesting they explain what was wrong with it, they never replied. It has not done it since and I still have that rifle. I don' know if they had packed the trigger with brown grease, but they positively new there was an issue.
I never use safety catches on any of my rifles, they are an unnecessary fixture. I put a timney on my rem 700 375 holland without safety catch to replace the markX and it’s never missed a beat.
You have been the first person i have seen properly explained the Remington trigger problem . i have repaired firearms for over 40 years & as you i discovered this Remington trigger problem many years ago & solved the problem for many owners . as you i have corrected this problem on rifles that experienced gunsmiths could not for some reason , i guess just from lack of knowledge??, unless an individual has considerable knowledge of triggers he or her should do yourself a favor & take it to a smith . i guess sir you & i are a dying breed . thank you sir for the video .
@vettelover2009 But the spring is getting cycled with use, then after it is cycled the spring is loaded and left that way for long periods. If you measure the free length over time in that situation it will decrease. If I had a dollar for every time something happened that an engineer said wouldn't happen I would be a rich man.
Thank you, for a very articulate explanation of what happens to triggers over time, along with the inexperience and oversite of many users, myself included. Greatly appreciated!
I have four Remington 700's in .222, .22-250, 6mm Remington and .375 H&H (that one is a gem, a BDL Safari Grade). They are all over thirty-five years old now. I have had zero issues. Perhaps that's because I leave triggers alone. The triggers felt fine and I saw no need for refinements. If there's grease in there, so far it's not a problem. I belong to the, "If it's not broken, don't fix it" crowd. I don't take rifles apart because I see no need to do so. I clean barrels, wipe down the metal with a touch of gun oil and occasionally put a trace of lemon oil on the wood. That's it. And yes, rifles get put away with the bolt decocked. Ps; Thank you Randy for being a voice of reason and experience about firearms. The amount of BS out there is getting tiresome.
For what it’s worth, I have been full time Gunsmithing for 30 years. I was a RACO service facility for the 4 years before they closed. I believe I have worked on/replaced my share of REM. triggers, sometimes as many as 12 per week. Just want to say that I fully agree with your opinions in this video. I will add; don’t forget to strip and clean the bolt. That’s a big deal and is seldom (like never) done. Carry on Sir. 👍👌
Unloading springs. Seemed common sense to a country boy. Glad you mentioned it to others. Your channel is the best. Happy holidays to you and your family.
He's absolutely right. You have to know how the Remington trigger works to adjust it properly. It's a good practice to flush it out with brake parts cleaner before adjusting, and then seal the adjustment screws with nail polish or similar after adjustment and testing. That being said, I'll never adjust another person's trigger and I won't let anyone else touch mine.
Love your videos 👍 You may find a 43 minute documentary from quite a few years ago named “Remington under fire” interesting. They interview then 98 year old Mike Walker the man who designed the rifle and trigger.
The Xmark pro isn't that horrible . Mine was consistent at 3 lb. I had 300 thru it before ai changed it to a Triggertech Special. But I won't say the Xmark pro is totally crap. Lol
I think the same thing may have happened with the first run of TC. Venture rifles . They had a fine working trigger but I think some people over adjusted the tiggers and may have caused themselves some problems. I shot one that was a great and accurate hunting rifle . I tried to see if I could make the firing pin drop without pullening the trigger but no matter how much I thumped, pounded, and banged it around there was no way I was ever able to get the firing pin to fire unless I pulled the trigger. TC had a recall on the Venture trigger and then they were sold to Smith and Wesson. Not sure if they make the Venure anymore but they were a well built and very accurate hunting rifle.
Thank you for your perspective Mr. Selby. I have a 2007 vintage Rem 700 30-06 stainless that has been through the X-Mark trigger replacement program (Paducah Shooter's Supply 2014). I still have the original owner's manual and revisited it after watching this video. The 2007 maintenance instructions indicate that the trigger group is to be solvent cleaned with Rem solvent and then a drop of Rem Oil is to be placed at four locations within the trigger group. The rifle came back with a new but essentially unidentified trigger (based on the service log), and without any new/revised maintenance instructions to the owner. It begs the question as to how many owners may have placed Rem Oil or poor substitutes for Rem Oil in their trigger groups and then suffered mechanical malfunctions from either practice, both prior to and after the recall. Was the oiling of the trigger group, both as originally prescribed and as a continuing practice after recall appropriate? If not, one aspect of this recall would appear to be a missed opportunity by Remington to correct improper maintenance procedures. It would certainly be interesting to know how Rem owner's are currently instructed with regard to trigger group maintenance.
He doesn't cover the recalled triggers other than to say they suck because of a redesign. The older triggers worked for 50+ years but the grease dried. I doubt it's a lube problem given the age of the rifles at the time of recall.
I did wonder about this issue when it was publicised. One does wonder why people fail to maintain their arms, and/or mess about with them. If I don't know about something, I find out before I mess with it.... You nailed it about the Model 70 trigger,,,, it's so simple and all out in the open...
Thank you, Mr. Selby. I used a Remington 30-06 Mountain Rifle for deer hunting in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the early 90s. We have winter up there. The trigger allowed me to shoot two 8 point bucks one opening morning. No problems.
I have a 700 BDL from 1980. While hunting in British Columbia in 1981 we first went to the range to sight in. I put the rifle as cross the sand bags and chambered a round and as I did the rifle fired. This has never happened with this rifle since, and I’ve shot and hunted with it quite a bit. I have over the years tried to test this repeatedly to see if it was the rifle or if it was me. All I’ve found is that if there is a pound or so of pressure on the trigger when the bolt closes it will fire. It normally breaks crisp at 3 1/2 lbs. I’ve often thought about getting a aftermarket trigger; so this winter I will have Williams put one on.
This happened to me with a Weatherby as well. Definitely an older-unserviced-trigger phenomenon in multiple rifles. Clean that trigger with brake cleaner and then lube it with deep creep after it dries. That's what I'm doing.
I have 2 Remington 700s from 1978 both in 30-06. They both fire on closing the bolt. This wasn't an issue when we first got the rifles. Could it be this grease? If I cock the rifles sometimes they fire right away and other times it might take 30 second or a couple minutes before they fire on their own. Cannot engage safety either.
Grease and improperly adjusted triggers are issues. Only one who know how to take care of this properly should it be done. Send Randy and email at randyselby@randyscustomrifles.com for shipping instructions and cost. [We try to keep YT from having fits by not including that information here, sorry for the inconvenience.] Refer to this discussion in your email. Thanks for watching.
Another great piece of information Randy. I'm not 100% sure, but I heard that Remington had been bought and everything is being moved back to Ilion, NY hence shutting down the Huntsville plant
I own two Remington Model 700s and the only sensible thing to do was replace the factory triggers with Timneys. There was a substantial improvement of MOA afterwards. The X Mark Pro isn't exactly garbage, but it's not a good trigger either.
I've owned over a dozen Remington 700s, 600s and 40Xs and have never had any problems with the old style triggers. I bought one with the Xmark trigger, but hated it so much that I got rid of it. I agree with Randy, the Xmark is a POS!
I had a factory model 700 in 223 and I had it shoot when I closed the bolt and once when I clicked the safety off this gun was less then a month old its not a good feeling whenever that happens
Gotta say I kinda figured the truth is about exactly as you described. Have 30 years of Remington trigger experience myself. Issues with them that I personally have experienced were due to mishandling the mechanism, most probably due the users or gunsmiths manipulation beyond their understanding. Thanks for saying so using this forum. Really do enjoy your videos. Thanks a bunch & carry on.
I know a gunwriter who gives his triggers a small squirt of lighter fluid when cleaning. Claims there's a tiny bit of oil in it. No other lube. I have always wondered if the trigger would rust if absolutely clean of oil.
Wish we had a decent gunsmith up here in northern Ohio…the best smith we had retired 2 years ago…his name was Walt…he was the best in these parts…and he was affordable…but great vid with honest information…subbed.
Randy do you still consider the post 64 model 70 a good working man's rifle. I do even though for a few years they went away from controlled round feed they are still in my opinion a great rifle. Curious what you think on this. Thanks for your knowledge.
I've owned any number of 700's over the last fifty years. Everything Randy says here is the absolute truth. The very finest trigger I've ever pulled was a stock Remington trigger properly adjusted on a.25-06 I had made. It was perfection. I tried to make my 700 rifles' triggers fail by slamming the buttstock hard repeatedly onto a pillow placed on a concrete slab and never succeeded. The bottom line is that if someone's early Remington trigger failed, someone messed with it. Unfortunately, all the legal nonsense was decided by people who either didn't understand the mechanical issues or wouldn't assign responsibility where it belonged. All this turmoil gave us the "X-Mark Pro" which means that you add $125 or more to whatever you paid for the rifle to get a decent trigger.
Thanks for the insight. I've had my 700 since 1981 approx. Wonderful firearm. Very accurate. Yes, I have fiddled with trigger way back when. My bad. I'll take it to a competent gunsmith soon. In the meantime I will follow the cardinal safety rule, Muzzle control. Always be aware where that firearm is pointed. Also always store my Rem with an open bolt. Again thank you for pointing out my ignorance on this subject. Hate the expression "Ignorance is no excuse". I believe it is the only excuse. If you don't know better then you don't know better. Thanks for the education.
@@MrDillaKilla If it's a Remington 700 it cocks on opening. Watch as you open the bolt and see it stays cocked even if you remove the bolt. Remington built some of the old model 1917 Enfield's. Enfield actions cock on closing. PS 99% of all modern turn bolt action cock on opening.
I agree, most people like to turn screws. Before I went to gunsmithing school quite a few years ago, I was a upcoming radio tech, still had some ways to go, but I was getting there. Invariably, people would open radio's up, and just start turning screws, then bring to me to re-align the radio. I could tell they'd been in there, the wax was crumbled up or the nail polish (I'll just call it that) the factory puts on variable capacitors and resistors, had been broken, then they'd fib to me about diddling around in the radios. My biggest issue in my area working on firearms, I've told people this hundreds of times, and be dang if they still do it...is dry firing a NEF shotgun/rifle. I've replaced gobs of firing pins. And all they had to do, is lower the hammer. I was at a concealed carry class many years ago before my state went constitutional carry, and this cat had a CZ (VZ)-52, and the instructor went around, made sure the firearms were unloaded, and wanted us to dry fire. I told this old boy, do not dry fire that CZ-52, they are notorious for breaking firing pins. What does he do? I heard a snap, and a ''tink'' sound on the wall a few feet away. I said nothing to him. We went to the range, and his firearm would not fire. He give the speech, ''it worked fine when I left home'', then it hit him what I had said, he looked at me, and left the place. And, I've serviced quit a few Remington triggers, most were donkey'ed with, or the grease had dried up. And the bump the stock hard on the floor test, I mention that, and most people that ''adjusted'' their triggers, in any rifle, not just Remington, and they had no clue what I was talking about.
Had a700 Remington muzzleloader when I put the cap on it closed the bolt it fired . Took it out it was broken never had anything done to it. Replaced it with one from a gunsmith friend of mine. He told me this is a problem with Remington. And always held trigger and closed bolt.
I laughed through this entire video, with my hand in the air, saying “Guilty” Years ago, I did all the things to a Remington trigger you said not to do & I mean ALL of them. I learned not to fiddle with things I don’t know about. You would have slapped my fingers real good. My 8 Remington 700’s all have either Jewell or Trigger Tech triggers. Not one has a factory trigger, for reasons you well described. LOL 😂 SO funny, so true.
My 1968 model 700 7 mag has gone off before by itself while cocking the rifle and closing the bolt Kaboom! It only did this after sitting all winter and it only did it on the first cocking of the year,after a couple times of this I started cocking the rifle and dry firing it once and it has never done it since no matter how hard I tried to make it go off after cocking it.I cleaned the gun spotless every year including the trigger assembly but I still do its initial dry firing every time I take it out and have never had any unintended discharges since,I've told every one I know that has and older model 700 to be aware of this anomaly and how I took care of it.
When i was a kid i had no idea about decocking a bolt gun bc i had a semi auto 22. That 22 taught me springs wear out i bought my first bolt guns in my early 20s. I did not know how to decock my guns so i would dry fire to decock the bolt. One day i bumped the trigger after cleaning my gun and the bolt closed itself the rest of the way on my hand. I figured out then and there that i could hold my bolt pull the trigger and gently drop the bolt handle to decock and ive done it ever since i wish i had somebody to teach me these things as a kid but ive learned everything on my own the hard way my whole life. If anyone can give me advice or knowledge as to if im doing anything correctly or incorrectly i would appreciate it tremendously
I think you are doing just fine; I too had to learn things by doing them for the most part. Now I have a question for you. Magazines? We all have spare mags. that we keep filled completely, suppressing the spring. I have mags. loaded with special high priced hunting reloads that have been suppressed for years and they work just fine, these springs are designed to be suppressed and depressed multiple times without harming the spring. What do you think about this?
@@dukeman7595 ive only wore out magz from loading and shooting use. Had to replace my mag tube on marlin model 62 and a 40 cal pistol i have i have 3 magz thst came with the gun that the springs arent exactly great at feeding reliably anymore so they do wear out from use but i havent damaged anything from leaving em loaded to my knowledge. I think back in the day there were some bad springs that were made that would flatten and not return to original form but it was before my time 😆
My Father had a New Remington 600 and his first deer season, had the rifle discharge when he closed the bolt! Scared him so much, that he gave up the hunt and returned home. Remington directed him to a particular gunsmith, who corrected the issue. I don't know what may have been done to the firearm by the Smith?
My 700 went off in 1993 with no finger near the trigger. I was just shutting the bolt after confirming I had a live round in the chamber. The round entered the ground by my foot as I approached a downed deer. ALWAYS KNOW WHERE YOUR BARREL IS POINTED!!
Short term it's fine. Military has managed to make it work for months at a time over decades. To leave in a safe in perpetuity? It absolutely will damage springs.
When done hunting always remove the ammo from the magazine and I do say no. Yes, the military may be "by with it" but why "get by" when doing the best is the best option?
ruclips.net/video/D7f5VYJsqkE/видео.html I have to disagree with The Real Gunsmith, I say you can (if of good quality) store mags (and guns cocked) for a long long time before they show any fatigue. Generally springs, and we must remember all springs are not equal due to design (dist between coils etc) and material, "wear" more due to repetitions than duration of stress.
I have one now that has dropped the firing pin when the safety was pushed to fire. It has done it 2 times. I will never sell it because of this. I have never been able to get it to do it when I wanted it to.
How would you compare the quality of the 67 rem 700 vs a modern tikka? Bolt smoothness, trigger, accuracy. I like older rifles more but want to get the most out of my money.
Hey Randy, I love your videos. Especially this one and the ones about working up loads. Could you please do one that shows how you install scope mounts? I saw in one of your videos, you cement the base in??? Maybe I'm wrong, but could you show us the best way to do this? I dropped my rifle on the floor once while cleaning, and I had a heck of a time re sighting it in. Thank you
was with a friend when his brand new Remington 700 let a round go when the safety was disengaged . it had come out of the box , he loaded it , closed the bolt and shouldered the rifle and flicked the safety off and it dropped the sear , luckily he had it shouldered and pointed in a safe direction . we unloaded it and sat down ran the bolt a few times flicking the safety of to see if we could replicate it, everytime you flicked the safety off it would drop the firing pin , no trigger required . the friend took it right back to the shop and got a refund and refuses to buy Remington ever again.
You are one of the guys I like to hear from,I to agree about. Remington triggers,there's nothing arown with the design just the idiots who think they know what their doing,I too have fixed a lot of problems with these rem.triggers,and just as you said dirt grease or make muster is just about always the culprit good to hear from someone in the know ,god bless and good hunting.
I've got a Remington 700 in .35 Whelen that I've had trouble with the gun firing. Firing pin would barely dent the primer and the gun would not go off. Several bull elk got away as the gun would not fire. Several local gun smiths couldn't fix it and it took sending the rifle to Remington to fix the issue.
Thank you for the very comprehensive explanation of the trigger issues. Remington has now begun installing timney triggers in all of the 700 models. Do you believe that this will solve the trigger safety issues with the 700 models?
@@TheRealGunsmith Yeah in 50 years when we're all dead there may be issues that take time to discover. Thanks for being that old guy that watched for 50 years on the Remington trigger.
Excellent explanation. I ask you a question apart from the good video you uploaded. My question refers to a Remington 700 BDL Custom DeLuxe. I want to know how to fix the cartridge storage cover. A big hug from Argentina-
I have 1 700, have had 2 total. I didn’t adjust the triggers on either as they came pretty well set for me and I don’t like to fix it if it’s working pretty good. I haven’t even heard of degreasing the triggers. I did adjust a Timney I installed on a 98 Mauser action but I was making it heavier because it was too light for me when I got it. Million times better than with that old 2 stage military trigger I got with it. So should that trigger degreasing be done when the rifle lives in a warmer climate or is the harsh cold climate why you do it? Do all gunsmiths know how to do this? Is degreasing something anyone can do with the Remington triggers provided we don’t want to adjust anything?
I used remington for over 40 years never had a problem not even once but i clean guns after use so maintain you rifle an it will treat you well i should metion i trapped an hunted year around living out in the wilderness alot of my life
You ended with the exact comment I was gonna make. Winchester pre 64 model 70 triggers are not as crisp as some others, but they work better, and are easier to inspect by the user, with fewer screws to tempt the kitchen table gunsmiths. And I don't think many need a target trigger on a hunting rifle. If they do the Winchester can be upgraded with a DST. But I have mixed feelings about set triggers too.
I had this very same conversation with Ron King in Lewiston Idaho back in 1983... Thanks for bringing up the facts regarding the so-called "Remington Unsafe Triggers" Randy! There have been a great number of these triggers "adjusted" by the owners that can't manage a trigger to begin with... let alone know how to adjust one! Your opinions are nothing but fact. ;)
I worked in the spring industry for 11 years. Yes springs take a set, but it is a fixed amount based on the length, wire size, and load. Set is predictable. What wears springs out is flexion over time and not just load. Think of it as bending a copper wire back and forth in the same spot. Eventually the wire will stress enough to fail. The load isn't the issue, but rather the repeated action. Set is a minor problem that can be accounted for by proper spring selection. Randy isn't wrong... I just want to clarify. Springs are really cheap and they wear out. Buy spares and just replace them when they go out of spec.
I bought a Remington 700 BDL in 1965. I never ever had a trigger problem. I tried everything to get it to fire out of battery with no success. The only to get it to fire is to pull the trigger with safety off. The way it is supposed to operate.
There are but I do not advocate it being done. Too many have tried and end up making matters worse. I don't detail this, for safety reasons. However, if you want to send it to me, I can take care of it. Email me at randyscustomerifles.com Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith That I happily would, but I live in Czechlands. I've looked for a local gunsmith, but Remington isn't as common here and so far anybody willing to work on it has very long backlog to go through first.
Used Remington 700 series all my life an as I'm totally think they are the best production rifle on the market today !! You can do better with a custom rifle in the thousands .
I would totally agree with your comment, except for the fact that their quality has indeed dropped off significantly over the past decade or two. Hopefully, the new owner of Remington will focus on improving quality going forward!
A friend bought a NEW Remington I think 788? I worked the bolt, and it literally came out in my hand. Polymer rails, and the "lock" was junk. No wonder they went broke!
Mike Walker said they had problems and had the solution for like 50 cents or something like that. They can get debris and like you said grease between the parts not allowing the striker to be held reliably. The fiddle factor as Gun Blue mentioned is probably the biggest cause of the accidents.
I put the serial number in on the Remington site it’s a 770 in 300 Winchester magnum I have not had a problem with it yet sir and they said it was not in the recall.
I trashed the factory Remington 700 trigger and replaced it with a two stage timney trigger and this trigger was $200.00 but it is absolutely the very best, I can’t say enough about this trigger but it is perfect for me
While it's true that many coil springs will lose force over time, it is not necessarily that case that every spring must or will. The springs that lose force tend to be those where there are relatively few coils spaced somewhat far apart. A good spring design will hit "solid height" (i.e. all the coils touching) before it yields. I the spring is never yielding at all, it isn't fatiguing and it will withstand millions of cycles without load loss. The main reason springs like AR15 action springs lose force is because they act so fast (speed) that the spring resonates (the "twang" you hear) and this causes the peak forces on the spring to be enough to yield the spring and weaken it over time. The flat springs used in many newer bolt actions will last nearly forever with no appreciable loss of load.
I own a 700 I bought new in 1979 and recently bought another 700 Form Longrange. Seems to be a significant difference in material quality. Had an action screw fail by its head shear off while being un done. Metal flaw?
I think anyone that’s getting into bolt action rifles, need to watch these videos by Randy
This man has more knowledge of cartridges and rifles than most anyone in the business. You can truly learn from this gentleman
Best explanation of the Remington issue I've heard yet. Thank you!
This video fixed my trigger on my old Remington 700. I sprayed the trigger assembly with solvent(brake cleaner) and sure as sh*t a bunch of brown grease rinsed out. I let it dry and added deep creep(lube). It's perfect now. It used to be very hard to pull and no gunsmith in my area would help but now it's fixed. THANK YOU SIR!
Bought my Model 700 used in 1975. It was 2 years old.
Have never had a problem and I'm just smart enough to know I'm stupid enough about the trigger settings to leave them the heck alone. Good information! Thank you!
NOTHING no better than the ORIGINAL...FACTORY... GUN... Anything else MODIFIED is just asking for TROUBLE...... P E R I O D.
Mr Shelby
Very fine explanation of the "problem " with Remington 700 triggers. I have personally seen the HARDENED GREASE in several rifles. It does not take more than a year or two to harden. The point you make if people NOT KNOWING how to adjust the trigger is 100% dead on.
The situation you shared while elk hunting has happened to me when I lived in PA. I used lock deicer to free up my trigger. The rifle I had I happen on was a Weatherby Mk V in 300 Win Mag. The mornings were around -20°F and heated up to about 35°F during the daytime. I stuck the rifle in a hard case with a lot of silica packs to try to absorb the moisture. The nights got down to below -30° in MN where we were hunting.
Never again will I leave the gun in the truck overnight. Now it goes inside and gets a thorough wipe down and blown out with a hair dryer.
I TRULY ENJOY all of the videos you have done. If I were 20 or 30 years younger I would be begging you to take me on for free as an apprentice. I saddens me to think that the knowledge you have will be lost one day. This nation needs individuals like yourself. So much experience and knowledge about your chosen profession.
I THANK YOU .
May the Lord Bless and Watch over you and your family.
The good ole men know , these days you cant give away common sense
That's right Randy needs an Apprentice.
Thanks Randy, i own several and have installed Timneys in 3 of them. i had the very situation you spoke about with grease on one when i was very young. I usually put 3 rounds into the magazine and push them down so the bolt will pass the cartridges and close the bolt this way when i arrived at my stand i only needed to load one into the chamber. This instance while dong this i noticed the bolt closed differently (like it does when you relieve the firing pin for storage) realizing something wasn't right I immediately dropped the cartridges from the magazine and returned to camp and took my back up out for the day. it was the grease that froze and gummed up the trigger mechanism allowing the firing pin to release automatically when you closed the bolt. Dangerous situation averted.
Stay Safe My Friend
I have to agree with you on what you said. I am not a gunsmith but I have attended Remington's armorer school every three years since 1999. The first instructor I had stated to the class that people or shops would adjust triggers without knowing what to adjust or how to adjust it. He stated that the adjustment holes were sealed at the factory and when a rifle that had a firing on closing of the bolt came in, it was that someone adjusted the trigger incorrectly. In later classes I attended we were shown how to adjust the trigger weight screw only. Later classes told us that the trigger was not to be adjusted. This was done because of the law suits and media stories.
Grease was never talked about but yes grease will harden over time and will attract a lot of dirt, dust, unburned gun powder. This will cause trigger problems as you mentioned. I also liked that you talked about keeping a gun cocked for long periods of time. I have argued with people about this and yes it is hard on spring life. I am glad you brought up ice building up inside an action in cold weather. Thank you for letting people know about these situations. Could you tell me were this information was online at?
I think the icing information is just general physics. Metal shrinks when cold and water condenses on it and freezes. He had it in his truck where he was breathing and giving off water vapor, then he took it outside into the cold where it froze. I'm testing out deep creep lube in my trigger which claims to absorb moisture but any kind of lube covering the metal should prevent ice-locking on your trigger. If you just clean it with solvent and then don't lube you can get ice-lock.
I just bought a 700BDL custom through a retail liquidation of Remington rifles. It was quite clearly a store demonstrator with some handling "kisses" from being carelessly hauled in and out of the rackand some rough handling by customers over however time they had it. The price was high,but,with some negotiation and a lot of patience,the price was dropped by a significant amount to make it a deal I simply couldn't walk away from. First thing I did when I got it home was to break it down completely and clean it well, including the trigger assembly which was plugged up filthy with too much oil and gunk,but,I couldn't see it was over-adjusted,so,I didn't change it. Re-assembled and taken to the range,it worked flawlessly and accurately. It's the first Remington rifle I've owned (being a dyed-in-the-wool Ruger fan),but,I have three Remington shotguns. This is going to be a "project" rifle to repair and re-finish the dings and dents on the stock and restore it to pristine condition.
Remington used to make fairly good rifles, and then the Freedom Group happened to them... I hope they recover at some point.
Too late...They are out of business!
Remington is gone
Sad cuz now i have a Remington 700
@@earlyetman5588 Remington has been purchased by another investment group. Hopefully, the new owner will focus on quality and return the company to it's rightful spot as the country's top gun manufacturer!
@@syitiger9072 See my reply to Earl below...
This man is an expert on that he knows exactly what's going on with the trigger systems. I have a 788 that was made around 1972 and it is 22-250, and the trigger system is completely Frozen up. I could see the grease inside, not a whole lot of grease, but enough that the trigger just doesn't move at all including the sear and everything. I don't think it's too hard because I'm pretty handy but I'm going to completely take the trigger apart clean it like you said and also the bolt cuz you could see the grease in the bolt with the firing pin. I will give it a try
Of that u speak. We lost the best trigger assembly ever placed on a factory rifle. The scary thing too me is the loss someday of ur knowledge Sir. Thanks for the invaluable knowledge u hold.
Thank you both for sharing all of you're videos with us and may our heavenly Father bless you two as well !!!
I stumbled into this video when researching how to adjust my factory trigger. Think I’m better off installing a Timney to save myself the headache. Thank you sir.
I just did what he said and cleaned the factory trigger and saved $150 on a Timney. Perfect triggers if you clean them.
I believe it, I collect vintage tools and more than a few times I've got "broken" ratchets that just had hardened grease in the teeth.
You left the biggest one out! It might go boom when the safety was disengaged. I bought a brand new 700 BDL in 1978, and it would sometimes go boom when the safety was disengaged. It happened on the first day I got it, I thought I had my finger on the trigger, it was unloaded. Next time it did it my dog almost lost his life. I sent it back to Remington ( it has the inspection marks to prove it), and they fixed it and returned it without any explanation. I sent them a letter requesting they explain what was wrong with it, they never replied. It has not done it since and I still have that rifle. I don' know if they had packed the trigger with brown grease, but they positively new there was an issue.
Sear engagement issue (can be various reasons), and or heat treatment.
Mine fired just this weekend when taking it off safe. These things aren't safe!
@@jlbush8249 spread the word brother, people need to know.
I never use safety catches on any of my rifles, they are an unnecessary fixture. I put a timney on my rem 700 375 holland without safety catch to replace the markX and it’s never missed a beat.
@@jlbush8249 same here this last weekend mine went boom with disengagement of the safety
You have been the first person i have seen properly explained the Remington trigger problem . i have repaired firearms for over 40 years & as you i discovered this Remington trigger problem many years ago & solved the problem for many owners . as you i have corrected this problem on rifles that experienced gunsmiths could not for some reason , i guess just from lack of knowledge??, unless an individual has considerable knowledge of triggers he or her should do yourself a favor & take it to a smith . i guess sir you & i are a dying breed . thank you sir for the video .
Got that advice 30 years ago to never leave the bolt cocked on any weapon.
@vettelover2009 depends on wether the spring was made correctly. Lots of crappy springs out there, but you won't find them on old mausers. ;)
@vettelover2009 But the spring is getting cycled with use, then after it is cycled the spring is loaded and left that way for long periods. If you measure the free length over time in that situation it will decrease. If I had a dollar for every time something happened that an engineer said wouldn't happen I would be a rich man.
Thank you, for a very articulate explanation of what happens to triggers over time, along with the inexperience and oversite of many users, myself included. Greatly appreciated!
Always glad to hear your wisdom Mr. Selby! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
I have four Remington 700's in .222, .22-250, 6mm Remington and .375 H&H (that one is a gem, a BDL Safari Grade). They are all over thirty-five years old now.
I have had zero issues. Perhaps that's because I leave triggers alone. The triggers felt fine and I saw no need for refinements. If there's grease in there, so far it's not a problem. I belong to the, "If it's not broken, don't fix it" crowd. I don't take rifles apart because I see no need to do so. I clean barrels, wipe down the metal with a touch of gun oil and occasionally put a trace of lemon oil on the wood. That's it. And yes, rifles get put away with the bolt decocked.
Ps; Thank you Randy for being a voice of reason and experience about firearms. The amount of BS out there is getting tiresome.
Thank you for a great look into not only Remington products, but the over all look at personal responsibility.
Yes! Personal responsibility is something MANY in society have discarded as outdated and foolish.
For what it’s worth, I have been full time Gunsmithing for 30 years. I was a RACO service facility for the 4 years before they closed. I believe I have worked on/replaced my share of REM. triggers, sometimes as many as 12 per week.
Just want to say that I fully agree with your opinions in this video.
I will add; don’t forget to strip and clean the bolt. That’s a big deal and is seldom (like never) done. Carry on Sir. 👍👌
Unloading springs. Seemed common sense to a country boy. Glad you mentioned it to others. Your channel is the best. Happy holidays to you and your family.
He's absolutely right. You have to know how the Remington trigger works to adjust it properly. It's a good practice to flush it out with brake parts cleaner before adjusting, and then seal the adjustment screws with nail polish or similar after adjustment and testing. That being said, I'll never adjust another person's trigger and I won't let anyone else touch mine.
Love your videos 👍 You may find a 43 minute documentary from quite a few years ago named “Remington under fire” interesting. They interview then 98 year old Mike Walker the man who designed the rifle and trigger.
Even more interesting is video titled Remington’s response. It’s “And now, The rest of the story...”
I sure don’t like that Xmark Pro. I have gone with Timney on most of my 700’s. I like them really well.
I agree with Randy...the Xmak trigger is a POS!
The Xmark pro isn't that horrible . Mine was consistent at 3 lb. I had 300 thru it before ai changed it to a Triggertech Special. But I won't say the Xmark pro is totally crap. Lol
Timney makes a good set of triggers
I've had a Remington Sendero (700) in 300 Win Mag for over 20 years, and it's worked flawlessly.
Great Knowledge love the channel, your neighbor here in clark
Hi Neighbor! Is Dorothy is your Gramma or??? She is sweet!
Thanks for watching.
Ah yes.. The inability to pay attention. Well said sir. 👌
I think the same thing may have happened with the first run of TC. Venture rifles . They had a fine working trigger but I think some people over adjusted the tiggers and may have caused themselves some problems. I shot one that was a great and accurate hunting rifle . I tried to see if I could make the firing pin drop without pullening the trigger but no matter how much I thumped, pounded, and banged it around there was no way I was ever able to get the firing pin to fire unless I pulled the trigger. TC had a recall on the Venture trigger and then they were sold to Smith and Wesson. Not sure if they make the Venure anymore but they were a well built and very accurate hunting rifle.
Thank you for your perspective Mr. Selby. I have a 2007 vintage Rem 700 30-06 stainless that has been through the X-Mark trigger replacement program (Paducah Shooter's Supply 2014). I still have the original owner's manual and revisited it after watching this video. The 2007 maintenance instructions indicate that the trigger group is to be solvent cleaned with Rem solvent and then a drop of Rem Oil is to be placed at four locations within the trigger group. The rifle came back with a new but essentially unidentified trigger (based on the service log), and without any new/revised maintenance instructions to the owner. It begs the question as to how many owners may have placed Rem Oil or poor substitutes for Rem Oil in their trigger groups and then suffered mechanical malfunctions from either practice, both prior to and after the recall. Was the oiling of the trigger group, both as originally prescribed and as a continuing practice after recall appropriate? If not, one aspect of this recall would appear to be a missed opportunity by Remington to correct improper maintenance procedures. It would certainly be interesting to know how Rem owner's are currently instructed with regard to trigger group maintenance.
He doesn't cover the recalled triggers other than to say they suck because of a redesign. The older triggers worked for 50+ years but the grease dried. I doubt it's a lube problem given the age of the rifles at the time of recall.
never had a problem with mine ,thanks for the info
I did wonder about this issue when it was publicised. One does wonder why people fail to maintain their arms, and/or mess about with them.
If I don't know about something, I find out before I mess with it....
You nailed it about the Model 70 trigger,,,, it's so simple and all out in the open...
Thank you, Mr. Selby. I used a Remington 30-06 Mountain Rifle for deer hunting in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan in the early 90s. We have winter up there. The trigger allowed me to shoot two 8 point bucks one opening morning. No problems.
I have a 700 BDL from 1980. While hunting in British Columbia in 1981 we first went to the range to sight in. I put the rifle as cross the sand bags and chambered a round and as I did the rifle fired. This has never happened with this rifle since, and I’ve shot and hunted with it quite a bit. I have over the years tried to test this repeatedly to see if it was the rifle or if it was me. All I’ve found is that if there is a pound or so of pressure on the trigger when the bolt closes it will fire. It normally breaks crisp at 3 1/2 lbs. I’ve often thought about getting a aftermarket trigger; so this winter I will have Williams put one on.
This happened to me with a Weatherby as well. Definitely an older-unserviced-trigger phenomenon in multiple rifles. Clean that trigger with brake cleaner and then lube it with deep creep after it dries. That's what I'm doing.
I own three Remington 700 rifles. All have been great. I'd buy three more in a heartbeat. I've owned them since new and the triggers are untouched.
What year were they all manufactured? Have you shot more than 400 rounds?
@@Thamac15 Let's see...late '70s, early 2000s and 2015 or so. The first two, certainly. The last is more like 200.
@@jaydee5156 Sounds like you may have a few that have factory recalls on the triggers... And it's not the 70s one.
@@WhyteHorse2023 I managed to tiptoe around it. None of mine were subject to the recall.
I have 2 Remington 700s from 1978 both in 30-06. They both fire on closing the bolt. This wasn't an issue when we first got the rifles. Could it be this grease? If I cock the rifles sometimes they fire right away and other times it might take 30 second or a couple minutes before they fire on their own. Cannot engage safety either.
Grease and improperly adjusted triggers are issues. Only one who know how to take care of this properly should it be done. Send Randy and email at randyselby@randyscustomrifles.com for shipping instructions and cost. [We try to keep YT from having fits by not including that information here, sorry for the inconvenience.] Refer to this discussion in your email.
Thanks for watching.
Another great piece of information Randy. I'm not 100% sure, but I heard that Remington had been bought and everything is being moved back to Ilion, NY hence shutting down the Huntsville plant
I own two Remington Model 700s and the only sensible thing to do was replace the factory triggers with Timneys. There was a substantial improvement of MOA afterwards. The X Mark Pro isn't exactly garbage, but it's not a good trigger either.
I own 3 Remington 700, and I have never had any problems with the triggers. One of the 700 I have had for 27 years.
Any modern day Remingtons? Because quality isn’t a part of the modern Remington equation.
I've owned over a dozen Remington 700s, 600s and 40Xs and have never had any problems with the old style triggers. I bought one with the Xmark trigger, but hated it so much that I got rid of it. I agree with Randy, the Xmark is a POS!
I had a factory model 700 in 223 and I had it shoot when I closed the bolt and once when I clicked the safety off this gun was less then a month old its not a good feeling whenever that happens
Gotta say I kinda figured the truth is about exactly as you described. Have 30 years of Remington trigger experience myself. Issues with them that I personally have experienced were due to mishandling the mechanism, most probably due the users or gunsmiths manipulation beyond their understanding. Thanks for saying so using this forum. Really do enjoy your videos. Thanks a bunch & carry on.
I know a gunwriter who gives his triggers a small squirt of lighter fluid when cleaning. Claims there's a tiny bit of oil in it. No other lube. I have always wondered if the trigger would rust if absolutely clean of oil.
It will not freeze. The only "lube needed for a trigger and firing pin.
Wish we had a decent gunsmith up here in northern Ohio…the best smith we had retired 2 years ago…his name was Walt…he was the best in these parts…and he was affordable…but great vid with honest information…subbed.
I can't find anyone who'll work on my Rem 721
Finding a qualified smith is a big problem nowadays…all the old timers are retired or checking out…good luck with your rifle…🙏🏻
Ordered a Timney Trigger for my 700 BDL this week. The OEM trigger is a bear to pull and, given the unsafe factor, it was time for a change.
Randy do you still consider the post 64 model 70 a good working man's rifle. I do even though for a few years they went away from controlled round feed they are still in my opinion a great rifle. Curious what you think on this. Thanks for your knowledge.
I am not as knowledgeable as trg but i am currently reviewing a model 70 that is new and i am very impressed with its quality and workmanship.
I've owned any number of 700's over the last fifty years. Everything Randy says here is the absolute truth. The very finest trigger I've ever pulled was a stock Remington trigger properly adjusted on a.25-06 I had made. It was perfection. I tried to make my 700 rifles' triggers fail by slamming the buttstock hard repeatedly onto a pillow placed on a concrete slab and never succeeded. The bottom line is that if someone's early Remington trigger failed, someone messed with it. Unfortunately, all the legal nonsense was decided by people who either didn't understand the mechanical issues or wouldn't assign responsibility where it belonged. All this turmoil gave us the "X-Mark Pro" which means that you add $125 or more to whatever you paid for the rifle to get a decent trigger.
Spot-on!
Thanks for the insight. I've had my 700 since 1981 approx. Wonderful firearm. Very accurate. Yes, I have fiddled with trigger way back when. My bad. I'll take it to a competent gunsmith soon. In the meantime I will follow the cardinal safety rule, Muzzle control. Always be aware where that firearm is pointed. Also always store my Rem with an open bolt. Again thank you for pointing out my ignorance on this subject. Hate the expression "Ignorance is no excuse". I believe it is the only excuse. If you don't know better then you don't know better. Thanks for the education.
An open bolt is cocked. It's better to close the bolt and dry fire or hold back trigger and close bolt.
@@johnkendall6962 cocks on closing
@@MrDillaKilla If it's a Remington 700 it cocks on opening. Watch as you open the bolt and see it stays cocked even if you remove the bolt. Remington built some of the old model 1917 Enfield's. Enfield actions cock on closing. PS 99% of all modern turn bolt action cock on opening.
As always thank you for sharing your expertise. Truly appreciate it.
I agree, most people like to turn screws. Before I went to gunsmithing school quite a few years ago, I was a upcoming radio tech, still had some ways to go, but I was getting there. Invariably, people would open radio's up, and just start turning screws, then bring to me to re-align the radio.
I could tell they'd been in there, the wax was crumbled up or the nail polish (I'll just call it that) the factory puts on variable capacitors and resistors, had been broken, then they'd fib to me about diddling around in the radios.
My biggest issue in my area working on firearms, I've told people this hundreds of times, and be dang if they still do it...is dry firing a NEF shotgun/rifle. I've replaced gobs of firing pins.
And all they had to do, is lower the hammer.
I was at a concealed carry class many years ago before my state went constitutional carry, and this cat had a CZ (VZ)-52, and the instructor went around, made sure the firearms were unloaded, and wanted us to dry fire. I told this old boy, do not dry fire that CZ-52, they are notorious for breaking firing pins. What does he do? I heard a snap, and a ''tink'' sound on the wall a few feet away. I said nothing to him. We went to the range, and his firearm would not fire. He give the speech, ''it worked fine when I left home'', then it hit him what I had said, he looked at me, and left the place.
And, I've serviced quit a few Remington triggers, most were donkey'ed with, or the grease had dried up. And the bump the stock hard on the floor test, I mention that, and most people that ''adjusted'' their triggers, in any rifle, not just Remington, and they had no clue what I was talking about.
OK so if you have a rifle like that, how do you fix the trigger so that it won’t happen any longer?
Had a700 Remington muzzleloader when I put the cap on it closed the bolt it fired . Took it out it was broken never had anything done to it. Replaced it with one from a gunsmith friend of mine. He told me this is a problem with Remington. And always held trigger and closed bolt.
I had a friend that brought me a remington 700 with a gumed up 2 years ago it was a 1984 BDL I use brake clean to get that grease out
Same solution fixed mine.
I always use brake cleaner. Doesn't harm the metal.
I laughed through this entire video, with my hand in the air, saying “Guilty”
Years ago, I did all the things to a Remington trigger you said not to do & I mean ALL of them.
I learned not to fiddle with things I don’t know about.
You would have slapped my fingers real good.
My 8 Remington 700’s all have either Jewell or Trigger Tech triggers.
Not one has a factory trigger, for reasons you well described.
LOL 😂 SO funny, so true.
About 7 or 8 years ago I got a Rem 700, .270. I received the rifle, went straight to my gunsmith and had him work on the trigger.
I always sit up straight and pay good attention when he lectures.
My 1968 model 700 7 mag has gone off before by itself while cocking the rifle and closing the bolt Kaboom! It only did this after sitting all winter and it only did it on the first cocking of the year,after a couple times of this I started cocking the rifle and dry firing it once and it has never done it since no matter how hard I tried to make it go off after cocking it.I cleaned the gun spotless every year including the trigger assembly but I still do its initial dry firing every time I take it out and have never had any unintended discharges since,I've told every one I know that has and older model 700 to be aware of this anomaly and how I took care of it.
When i was a kid i had no idea about decocking a bolt gun bc i had a semi auto 22. That 22 taught me springs wear out i bought my first bolt guns in my early 20s. I did not know how to decock my guns so i would dry fire to decock the bolt. One day i bumped the trigger after cleaning my gun and the bolt closed itself the rest of the way on my hand. I figured out then and there that i could hold my bolt pull the trigger and gently drop the bolt handle to decock and ive done it ever since i wish i had somebody to teach me these things as a kid but ive learned everything on my own the hard way my whole life. If anyone can give me advice or knowledge as to if im doing anything correctly or incorrectly i would appreciate it tremendously
I think you are doing just fine; I too had to learn things by doing them for the most part. Now I have a question for you. Magazines? We all have spare mags. that we keep filled completely, suppressing the spring. I have mags. loaded with special high priced hunting reloads that have been suppressed for years and they work just fine, these springs are designed to be suppressed and depressed multiple times without harming the spring. What do you think about this?
@@dukeman7595 ive only wore out magz from loading and shooting use. Had to replace my mag tube on marlin model 62 and a 40 cal pistol i have i have 3 magz thst came with the gun that the springs arent exactly great at feeding reliably anymore so they do wear out from use but i havent damaged anything from leaving em loaded to my knowledge. I think back in the day there were some bad springs that were made that would flatten and not return to original form but it was before my time 😆
Same here, and you just pointed out this method to me for the first time. Don't know why I didn't think of it.
My Father had a New Remington 600 and his first deer season, had the rifle discharge when he closed the bolt! Scared him so much, that he gave up the hunt and returned home. Remington directed him to a particular gunsmith, who corrected the issue. I don't know what may have been done to the firearm by the Smith?
My 700 went off in 1993 with no finger near the trigger. I was just shutting the bolt after confirming I had a live round in the chamber. The round entered the ground by my foot as I approached a downed deer. ALWAYS KNOW WHERE YOUR BARREL IS POINTED!!
Mine fired just this weekend when taken off safe. These things aren't safe!
What about the springs in mags? I hear it's ok to leave them full, sounds like to me you would say no
Short term it's fine. Military has managed to make it work for months at a time over decades.
To leave in a safe in perpetuity? It absolutely will damage springs.
When done hunting always remove the ammo from the magazine and I do say no. Yes, the military may be "by with it" but why "get by" when doing the best is the best option?
ruclips.net/video/D7f5VYJsqkE/видео.html I have to disagree with The Real Gunsmith, I say you can (if of good quality) store mags (and guns cocked) for a long long time before they show any fatigue. Generally springs, and we must remember all springs are not equal due to design (dist between coils etc) and material, "wear" more due to repetitions than duration of stress.
I have a 2nd year production 725...fantastic trigger.
I have one now that has dropped the firing pin when the safety was pushed to fire. It has done it 2 times. I will never sell it because of this. I have never been able to get it to do it when I wanted it to.
How would you compare the quality of the 67 rem 700 vs a modern tikka? Bolt smoothness, trigger, accuracy. I like older rifles more but want to get the most out of my money.
Tikka has a better trigger.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks Randy that's great info and very well explained.
Hello sir I pray everything is going great Amen 🙏
Hey Randy, I love your videos. Especially this one and the ones about working up loads. Could you please do one that shows how you install scope mounts? I saw in one of your videos,
you cement the base in??? Maybe I'm wrong, but could you show us the best way to do this? I dropped my rifle on the floor once while cleaning, and I had a heck of a time re sighting it in. Thank you
I have video here and on Patreon.com/therealgunsmith about this. Thanks for watching.
was with a friend when his brand new Remington 700 let a round go when the safety was disengaged . it had come out of the box , he loaded it , closed the bolt and shouldered the rifle and flicked the safety off and it dropped the sear , luckily he had it shouldered and pointed in a safe direction . we unloaded it and sat down ran the bolt a few times flicking the safety of to see if we could replicate it, everytime you flicked the safety off it would drop the firing pin , no trigger required . the friend took it right back to the shop and got a refund and refuses to buy Remington ever again.
You are one of the guys I like to hear from,I to agree about. Remington triggers,there's nothing arown with the design just the idiots who think they know what their doing,I too have fixed a lot of problems with these rem.triggers,and just as you said dirt grease or make muster is just about always the culprit good to hear from someone in the know ,god bless and good hunting.
I would love to hear your thoughts & experience with the Remington M788!!!
I've got a Remington 700 in .35 Whelen that I've had trouble with the gun firing. Firing pin would barely dent the primer and the gun would not go off. Several bull elk got away as the gun would not fire. Several local gun smiths couldn't fix it and it took sending the rifle to Remington to fix the issue.
Thank you for the very comprehensive explanation of the trigger issues. Remington has now begun installing timney triggers in all of the 700 models. Do you believe that this will solve the trigger safety issues with the 700 models?
Not necessarily. And the Timney will not adjust below 3 lbs.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith Yeah in 50 years when we're all dead there may be issues that take time to discover. Thanks for being that old guy that watched for 50 years on the Remington trigger.
Wow! Is the M7 trigger made in the last few years OK? I have one in .223 Rem, I use for bobcat and fox in mid winter.
It should be fine.
Excellent explanation.
I ask you a question apart from the good video you uploaded. My question refers to a Remington 700 BDL Custom DeLuxe. I want to know how to fix the cartridge storage cover.
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I have 1 700, have had 2 total. I didn’t adjust the triggers on either as they came pretty well set for me and I don’t like to fix it if it’s working pretty good. I haven’t even heard of degreasing the triggers. I did adjust a Timney I installed on a 98 Mauser action but I was making it heavier because it was too light for me when I got it. Million times better than with that old 2 stage military trigger I got with it. So should that trigger degreasing be done when the rifle lives in a warmer climate or is the harsh cold climate why you do it? Do all gunsmiths know how to do this? Is degreasing something anyone can do with the Remington triggers provided we don’t want to adjust anything?
I used remington for over 40 years never had a problem not even once but i clean guns after use so maintain you rifle an it will treat you well i should metion i trapped an hunted year around living out in the wilderness alot of my life
How hard is it to make a model 70 pre 64 Winchester 270 win to a 270 weatherby mag or if can be done at all just curious
Not hard at all. I've converted many of them.
Thanks for watching.
You ended with the exact comment I was gonna make. Winchester pre 64 model 70 triggers are not as crisp as some others, but they work better, and are easier to inspect by the user, with fewer screws to tempt the kitchen table gunsmiths. And I don't think many need a target trigger on a hunting rifle. If they do the Winchester can be upgraded with a DST. But I have mixed feelings about set triggers too.
Excellent video , very informative as all of yours are. I learn something different with each one. Thank You, I always look forward to the next one.
You sir, are a wealth of information. Thank you.
I had this very same conversation with Ron King in Lewiston Idaho back in 1983... Thanks for bringing up the facts regarding the so-called "Remington Unsafe Triggers" Randy! There have been a great number of these triggers "adjusted" by the owners that can't manage a trigger to begin with... let alone know how to adjust one!
Your opinions are nothing but fact. ;)
So glad to have found your channel again. !
Thanks for the info .and how to store a rifle uncocked.never thought about it .
Thats why I will send my rifles to you because I got no idea how to adjust a trigger
I worked in the spring industry for 11 years. Yes springs take a set, but it is a fixed amount based on the length, wire size, and load. Set is predictable. What wears springs out is flexion over time and not just load. Think of it as bending a copper wire back and forth in the same spot. Eventually the wire will stress enough to fail. The load isn't the issue, but rather the repeated action. Set is a minor problem that can be accounted for by proper spring selection.
Randy isn't wrong... I just want to clarify.
Springs are really cheap and they wear out. Buy spares and just replace them when they go out of spec.
I bought a Remington 700 BDL in 1965. I never ever had a trigger problem. I tried everything to get it to fire out of battery with no success. The only to get it to fire is to pull the trigger with safety off. The way it is supposed to operate.
I just don’t touch triggers because I don’t know what I am doing.
I had one come in with this very problem, 30+ years of use and the owner never cleaned it. The grease had hardened.
Is there a way to set the trigger screws back to the base values, if I don't know what adjustments were made?
There are but I do not advocate it being done. Too many have tried and end up making matters worse. I don't detail this, for safety reasons. However, if you want to send it to me, I can take care of it. Email me at randyscustomerifles.com
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith That I happily would, but I live in Czechlands. I've looked for a local gunsmith, but Remington isn't as common here and so far anybody willing to work on it has very long backlog to go through first.
Used Remington 700 series all my life an as I'm totally think they are the best production rifle on the market today !! You can do better with a custom rifle in the thousands .
I would totally agree with your comment, except for the fact that their quality has indeed dropped off significantly over the past decade or two. Hopefully, the new owner of Remington will focus on improving quality going forward!
The quality is not what it was
A friend bought a NEW Remington I think 788? I worked the bolt, and it literally came out in my hand. Polymer rails, and the "lock" was junk. No wonder they went broke!
Good video Randy! Have a great Thanksgiving!
It put a lot of people out of work in my neck of the woods.it's a sad deal.
Mike Walker said they had problems and had the solution for like 50 cents or something like that. They can get debris and like you said grease between the parts not allowing the striker to be held reliably. The fiddle factor as Gun Blue mentioned is probably the biggest cause of the accidents.
I put the serial number in on the Remington site it’s a 770 in 300 Winchester magnum I have not had a problem with it yet sir and they said it was not in the recall.
I trashed the factory Remington 700 trigger and replaced it with a two stage timney trigger and this trigger was $200.00 but it is absolutely the very best, I can’t say enough about this trigger but it is perfect for me
For that kind of money you should have gone with a Jewel.
While it's true that many coil springs will lose force over time, it is not necessarily that case that every spring must or will. The springs that lose force tend to be those where there are relatively few coils spaced somewhat far apart. A good spring design will hit "solid height" (i.e. all the coils touching) before it yields. I the spring is never yielding at all, it isn't fatiguing and it will withstand millions of cycles without load loss.
The main reason springs like AR15 action springs lose force is because they act so fast (speed) that the spring resonates (the "twang" you hear) and this causes the peak forces on the spring to be enough to yield the spring and weaken it over time.
The flat springs used in many newer bolt actions will last nearly forever with no appreciable loss of load.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge. It just might save someone's life.
Just last week, the bolt release latch was locked up due to hardened oil or grease. Now I gotta inspect the trigger before I load a round.
The triggers on the new model
70's by FN are pretty incredible.
So is the rest of the rifle...
I own a 700 I bought new in 1979 and recently bought another 700 Form Longrange. Seems to be a significant difference in material quality. Had an action screw fail by its head shear off while being un done. Metal flaw?
My Acton screw snapped while shooting 7mm rem mag totally disappointed in Remington tikka best rifle out there