...then I have to change my general loadout slightly with catasarus but I forgot to stay in the stage long enough to see what else is in there... So I have to go back and change my loadout again
“Finally I’m at the last level of this chapter in SOL and i have the exact amount of energy to fight this stage” **11 seconds later** METAL ENEMY SPAWNS AND YOU DONT HAVE CRITTERS
I just wanted to say thank you for actually talking about the other core issues with metal that arent just rng. Way too many people get caught up with the fact that crit is chance based and leave the argument at "metal is bad because rng". While there are some stages that are like that the majority of stages with metals at least to me feel trivial and tedious since the exact same cc and crit spam strat is typically enough for those stages. That trait is so poorly designed overall and i really wish ponos would do more to help it.
FINALLY someone talking about this, I hate metal enemies with a burning passion, and everytime they show up in a stage I just immediately get annoyed and go "UUUUGH FINE I'll bring a critter".
i honestly think that one of the biggest problems with metals is how it leaves critical as an ability to be underutilized and only to be reserved for dealing with metals. in other strategy based games critical hits seem to be like additional damage to the attacker, but in bc the only units where crit actually feels the same way are luffy and cameraman, and that kinda leaves me disappointed, they managed to make crits work in the traditional way, why not making more stuff like this?
Crit are usually meant to boost the unit like manic whale but due to not wanting to break metals they have lowered the crit damage to like 1500 or an abysmal proc rate, which is where savage blow comes in, it DOESNT affect metals but is exactly what crops should’ve been
I think it’s time for new content for Metal enemies. As much as they are luck based, Catasaurus is quite reliable once fully upgraded, talented and given a talent orb. Not perfect but excellent as a Rate unit. I’d love to see a dismemberment feature on new metal enemy variants where they have two separate HP bars. One where they have metal HP, then regular HP. Most of these will be stronger enemy units higher range
The current metal meta revolves around Catasaurus and we need enemies who easily counter it. You need to use your cannon, Foundation, longer range units and good timing to win. A genius scientist modified metal enemies and is the final boss who becomes a Cat Unit
5:48 this is the worst stage design in battle cats and I have yet to be proven otherwise. The amount of bullshit you need to go through to beat that garbage in incredible. Even when getting ubercarried by paladin, I still had a lot of runs that died to metal one horns and super metal hippoes because I just got unlucky. This stage highlights everything wrong with metal enemies in the worst way possible
Litteraly, i remember doing some level, and I didn't expect super metal hippoe to my non crit loadout! I got very good at holding him, but i was doing that for 10 minutes before i had enough and just left a level, only to beat it with catasaurus in 30 seconds...
An enemy who’s entire gimmick is requiring RNG to be defeated should NOT exist in a strategy game. I’ve obviously struggled with other traits like Aku and Relic before, but when I lose to those types of enemies, I’m not too upset since the reason I lost is usually because I wasn’t ready to fight them yet or simple lack of skill. But Metal? When I lose to metal, there’s usually no other reason than 1. PONOS decided to surprise me by putting a random metal seal in a stage or something, or 2. Simple bad RNG (I know #1 can be avoided if I went to the wiki, but PONOS themselves should be providing the warning, not outside sources). Overall, Metal is easily my least favorite trait due to 90% of losses to metal enemies being to the 2 stupid reasons I listed above and what I said at the start being “RNG shouldn’t exist in a strategy game” (at least in the “battle” part of the game).
Metals are actually part of the reason why it took me 2 years to finish 4 star sol... They are REALLY annoying when backliners and superbackliners are present, or when they add other hard pushing enemies that have less range than them, forcing your critters to hit those enemies and not the metals
The only metal enemy I faced was metal hippo yet... due my lack of critic it takes me a lot to kill it without cow cat, and darn I dont want to imagine how hard are the other ones
I hate Metal Sir Seal, I finally beat a difficult stage, but then a Metal Seal came out of nowhere and tanked hits for the next 8 minutes until I eventually gave up
I find the problem isn't that metals are hard to beat (considering lolly cat and catasaurus exist), but the main problem is that it's a very one dimensional trait. > Metal Enemy appears > Equips Catasaurus > Wins stage Most other traits, you can take different approaches, but not really metals.
clearly not a 3* ironsand beach enjoyer 😔 although as for the video itself I feel like a couple of the points missed. For instance, CC units in general (much like crit units) serve no utility beyond shutting down some trait. Additionally, starred aliens, aku, or zombie also "require" specific lineup choices for bbreak, spierce, or zkill. There are also plenty of decetly interesting UL stages with metal enemies that require "solving" beyond bringing your classic lineups (consider Roe Row, On the Rocks, Persona's Blooming, or Burning Blue) where the niche selection of units for dealing with metals is used to make the stage more interesting. anyways, glad this ended up in my feed. subscribed!
Thanks for enjoying the video, though I disagree with some of the things you said and will continue to believe what I said. For one, normal CC units aren't unlocked by doing stages. Them, like sanzo or thaumaturge being unlocked in the gacha make them feel far less underwhelming. And, about having to bring certain units on things like star alien aku or zombie stages, the difference there is that most of the time those are actually interesting units to fight outside of just having to break their shields or kill them with the ZK ability... Not to mention that all three of their abilities are far less annoying and don't depend crits and only crits to do damage. Also, I'm a believer in the fact that some metal stages are good like total myopia and electric bath, though unlike the types you've mentioned metals will basically always be dealt with in basically the same way every time. You can bring housewife to an aku stage, or pizza to a started alien stage, but with metals you just can't because you have to deal with them in a very specific way... Which usually is not fun. Thank you for the disagreement, I'm always open to them.
I don’t like how they do almost *nothing* interesting with them. The most we’ve gotten is Cybear who’s never used and Koronium *halfway through Uncanny Legends.* They could use at least one traditional backliner at this point…
3:28 I agreed with most of your points except for this one, replaying the same stages over and over again hoping you get the best version of a drop is not more interesting than a boss fight. It could be if treasures at least had a guarantee drop after you beat it enough times, but it doesn't.
Sure, but the mechanic itself is far more interesting in its effect than fighting a boss and getting noodle cats. And, at the same time, things like treasure drop rate up events happen all the time. I don't think the treasure mechanic is all that great, but I think in the case of weakening a trait it was the most well implemented variation of it.
@AlexanderG-l4c that's fair, I guess I just found the fun in collecting the units most of all as well as being able to beat the bosses being satisfying, whether I crushed them or not that's how I saw my progression
i think that the implementation of metal killer will allow ponos to add more metal enemies and allow those metal enemies to be more unique. exept for the fact that the only units with metal killer are ubers (i think)
I think cyclone stages was a decent answer to fix the low anti metals in the game. Imagine getting hard stuck on a stage because you couldn’t unlock catasaurus in the gacha and relying on fish or moneko to crit.
An answer to a problem Ponos created, yes. Then, once you solve that problem, the whole trait becomes annoying more than anything outside of a few cool uses of it like in total myopia
I go back and forth as to whether or not I want to ultra form kaguya for metal killer. On one hand, no more metal seals. On the other, I save dark catseyes and hope catasaurus hits crits
@ that’s exactly why I hesitate to ultra form kaguya. I’d much rather invest in something like uf dioramos but never having to worry about metal enemies with kaguya is very tempting
Tbh the worst part is with the current anti metal selection, metals kinda… can’t go from this set pattern. Much as there is wishing that there could be something different with metals, there is AVID reason why there isn’t even a metal backliner yet, let alone something like a metal/behemoth, colossus/baron or sage. The typing fundamentally can’t be different without being unbearable or imbalanced. Would it be nice to at least have a metal backliner: yes it definitely would since it could even open up new niches for certain units, for instance, it can make the value of cat researcher as a critter more warranted since it can quickly rush in and attempt to chip it. Or hell, even making a metal/zombie so soba’s zkill actually has a reason to exist. I play bcu, and encounter various concepts such as the aforementioned, and they worked beautifully, so no reason ponos can’t pull it off as well.
If metals were all like Croconator where theyre more of a hinderance than a full on gimmick, they woukd actually be really fun. But something that smart is fantasy for PONOS.
It's hard to call metals the worst implemented when they've been in the game for so long(like almost 10 years long). Either way I hate them with a passion and will probably get UF kaguya when they piss off enough.
1. I love destroying metal seal and hippoe with my level 45 lufalan pasalan 2. Woods of Resentment is a pretty good metal mixed stage 3. can we delete the march to death metals? thanks.
Every single metal stage ive ever played and lost/won to wasnt due to how smart i played or anything like that, it were my stats and luck, metal stages are boring due to these factors
Lufalan Pasalan never left my teams just because that one random metal enemy that appears for NO FCKING reason At least I have some chance of not having to leave and get catausaurus for just one level
Are one of the best traits in the entire game that utilizes the previously created mechanic of barriers and remakes them into shields with HP that comes back every time you knock them back, and their surge mechanic that acts like a wall to damage and block your cats from moving forward... They're incredible and add pleanty of variety to stages and are fun to fight even if it's an aku only stage, not to mention the interesting one time mechanic with the aku realms being the level capping. On the opposite spectrum of traits when compared to metals
I'd personally preffer to remove crits and lower their base HP to the hundreads at their highest. Remove the RNG aspect and make it a consistant endurance and patience to wear them down.
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Thank you for the video Father A🙏🏻
love it when i go into a stage completely blind and get blasted by a metal enemy
...then I have to change my general loadout slightly with catasarus but I forgot to stay in the stage long enough to see what else is in there...
So I have to go back and change my loadout again
Yeah
I LOVE METAL DOGE SWARMS!!! I LOVE RANDOM IMPENTRABLE WALLS ON MY OTHERWISE PURE ALIEN STAGE
Omg REI is real 💥
exact same reaction when i see a random ultrabaabaa
Metals aren’t about skill, they’re about luck.
Fr, I'm trying to get crazed fish, but my luck is dog water for a critical on that super metal hippo
Counter augment UF kaguya
You could argue this game is about luck too
@@deathblock1025 counter counter argument: i ain't spending all my catseyes and catfruit on that
C.Moneko, waitress, primordial cat and random 100% crit units
“Finally I’m at the last level of this chapter in SOL and i have the exact amount of energy to fight this stage”
**11 seconds later** METAL ENEMY SPAWNS AND YOU DONT HAVE CRITTERS
😂...
bro lose one more leader ship...OH WAIT LET BUG ENERGY !!!
"The metal situation is insane" looking thumbnail
The metal situation gets worse..
The Metal Seal drama is crazy
super metal hippoe responds..
Special stage: "Clash of Steel (Merciless)" unlocked!
Take the challenge?
Current item effects (except Speed Ups) will not carry over to this stage.
@@DaSouler32 No, thank you very much 🥰
When you have no metal killers 👺
I'm cooked...
@@DaSouler32 is that growing strange?
@@fatmccat1513 yes the metal stage for growing strange sadly
It’s always the worst when you go into a stage blind and two minutes in you get annihilated by a cyber horn
You forgot to mention that also 99% of critters are single target, that adds to annoyance.
I just wanted to say thank you for actually talking about the other core issues with metal that arent just rng. Way too many people get caught up with the fact that crit is chance based and leave the argument at "metal is bad because rng". While there are some stages that are like that the majority of stages with metals at least to me feel trivial and tedious since the exact same cc and crit spam strat is typically enough for those stages. That trait is so poorly designed overall and i really wish ponos would do more to help it.
“petah, the metal one horn is here”
FINALLY someone talking about this, I hate metal enemies with a burning passion, and everytime they show up in a stage I just immediately get annoyed and go "UUUUGH FINE I'll bring a critter".
Exactly they make me want to critical my body
I love legend quest where they do not give you and crit units after 4 retries. And 50% crit rate fails 4 times in a row
Mfw soba cat hits the ginger snache instead of the metal one horn shredding everything in it's path:
So real
i honestly think that one of the biggest problems with metals is how it leaves critical as an ability to be underutilized and only to be reserved for dealing with metals. in other strategy based games critical hits seem to be like additional damage to the attacker, but in bc the only units where crit actually feels the same way are luffy and cameraman, and that kinda leaves me disappointed, they managed to make crits work in the traditional way, why not making more stuff like this?
I agree, and I was going to talk about this, though savage strike fills the role of a regular crit chance that other games have
also wanted to mention savage blows haha, but also it feels like if crits were properly utilized, sblow wouldn't need to exist
Right on 👌🏿
Crit are usually meant to boost the unit like manic whale but due to not wanting to break metals they have lowered the crit damage to like 1500 or an abysmal proc rate, which is where savage blow comes in, it DOESNT affect metals but is exactly what crops should’ve been
I think it’s time for new content for Metal enemies. As much as they are luck based, Catasaurus is quite reliable once fully upgraded, talented and given a talent orb. Not perfect but excellent as a Rate unit. I’d love to see a dismemberment feature on new metal enemy variants where they have two separate HP bars. One where they have metal HP, then regular HP. Most of these will be stronger enemy units higher range
The current metal meta revolves around Catasaurus and we need enemies who easily counter it. You need to use your cannon, Foundation, longer range units and good timing to win. A genius scientist modified metal enemies and is the final boss who becomes a Cat Unit
5:48 this is the worst stage design in battle cats and I have yet to be proven otherwise. The amount of bullshit you need to go through to beat that garbage in incredible. Even when getting ubercarried by paladin, I still had a lot of runs that died to metal one horns and super metal hippoes because I just got unlucky. This stage highlights everything wrong with metal enemies in the worst way possible
Litteraly, i remember doing some level, and I didn't expect super metal hippoe to my non crit loadout! I got very good at holding him, but i was doing that for 10 minutes before i had enough and just left a level, only to beat it with catasaurus in 30 seconds...
Was it crazed whale because I did that as well except I decided to persevere because I am a victim of the sunk cost fallacy
solid video, keep up the good work!
I just hate having to waste energy just because a cyberhorn appeared when there was absolutely no indication there was metal in the stage
Requiring “Did you pray today” ah luck just to beat facing danger as a freshie.
Metal is definitely the dumbest trait. Its literally sumed up with: guy who is overpowered until you hit him once
I feel the same about superBaaBaa in special only missions in CotC
I LOVE IT WHEN I HOP ON A STAGE AND 0.00001 SECONDS AFTER 10 SECONDS A METAL SPAWNS!!1!
I think metal enemies exhibit the core mechanic of this game:
GAMBLING!!!!!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
There is one superior stage (enigma after beating mecha bun bun) that literally is seals, metal seals...
An enemy who’s entire gimmick is requiring RNG to be defeated should NOT exist in a strategy game.
I’ve obviously struggled with other traits like Aku and Relic before, but when I lose to those types of enemies, I’m not too upset since the reason I lost is usually because I wasn’t ready to fight them yet or simple lack of skill.
But Metal? When I lose to metal, there’s usually no other reason than 1. PONOS decided to surprise me by putting a random metal seal in a stage or something, or 2. Simple bad RNG (I know #1 can be avoided if I went to the wiki, but PONOS themselves should be providing the warning, not outside sources).
Overall, Metal is easily my least favorite trait due to 90% of losses to metal enemies being to the 2 stupid reasons I listed above and what I said at the start being “RNG shouldn’t exist in a strategy game” (at least in the “battle” part of the game).
Metals are actually part of the reason why it took me 2 years to finish 4 star sol... They are REALLY annoying when backliners and superbackliners are present, or when they add other hard pushing enemies that have less range than them, forcing your critters to hit those enemies and not the metals
I just reached Divers City in UL and im already rethinking life
Even the Crit Up combo i feel like doesn't even help anything. Great vid
Bible verse = instant sub, you have my absolute respect
The only metal enemy I faced was metal hippo yet... due my lack of critic it takes me a lot to kill it without cow cat, and darn I dont want to imagine how hard are the other ones
I hate Metal Sir Seal, I finally beat a difficult stage, but then a Metal Seal came out of nowhere and tanked hits for the next 8 minutes until I eventually gave up
Me when the catsaurus hits the crit on the random peon instead of the metal oblitarating my base
I honestly enjoy metal only stages if you can dilute the luck with many aoe/garenteed critters as possible then pure metal stages are enjoyable
And this is why kyosaka is a top 10 uber/legend (in my opinion)
Utopia isn't over there
I use to feel the same way as you, but then i pulled kyosaka nanaho and metals being annoying becames a bad dream.
I find the problem isn't that metals are hard to beat (considering lolly cat and catasaurus exist), but the main problem is that it's a very one dimensional trait.
> Metal Enemy appears
> Equips Catasaurus
> Wins stage
Most other traits, you can take different approaches, but not really metals.
i just died like 8 times to the otherworld colosseum stage 4 metal seal on 2 stars for thanks for validating me punching a hole in the wall after
Wait until full metal hippo charging at you
My favotite typing of rng/slime enabler
I wouldn’t completely agree, except for metal doge, metal doge is infuriating when he just blocks your crits.
"Metals are well designed enemies"
clearly not a 3* ironsand beach enjoyer 😔
although as for the video itself I feel like a couple of the points missed. For instance, CC units in general (much like crit units) serve no utility beyond shutting down some trait. Additionally, starred aliens, aku, or zombie also "require" specific lineup choices for bbreak, spierce, or zkill. There are also plenty of decetly interesting UL stages with metal enemies that require "solving" beyond bringing your classic lineups (consider Roe Row, On the Rocks, Persona's Blooming, or Burning Blue) where the niche selection of units for dealing with metals is used to make the stage more interesting.
anyways, glad this ended up in my feed. subscribed!
Thanks for enjoying the video, though I disagree with some of the things you said and will continue to believe what I said.
For one, normal CC units aren't unlocked by doing stages. Them, like sanzo or thaumaturge being unlocked in the gacha make them feel far less underwhelming.
And, about having to bring certain units on things like star alien aku or zombie stages, the difference there is that most of the time those are actually interesting units to fight outside of just having to break their shields or kill them with the ZK ability... Not to mention that all three of their abilities are far less annoying and don't depend crits and only crits to do damage.
Also, I'm a believer in the fact that some metal stages are good like total myopia and electric bath, though unlike the types you've mentioned metals will basically always be dealt with in basically the same way every time. You can bring housewife to an aku stage, or pizza to a started alien stage, but with metals you just can't because you have to deal with them in a very specific way... Which usually is not fun.
Thank you for the disagreement, I'm always open to them.
i prefer brute forcing aku and zombies so i dont have to restrict myself, and as a pround owner of a level 59 lumina alien stages are no trouble
Gotta love spaming over 40 cats to kill a varient with no crits on the campain [ into the future was @#$% with no spoilers to beat]
good thing they are adding metal killers to make them less luck based
How to turn mixed stages into a pile of hot shit
I don’t like how they do almost *nothing* interesting with them. The most we’ve gotten is Cybear who’s never used and Koronium *halfway through Uncanny Legends.* They could use at least one traditional backliner at this point…
3:28 I agreed with most of your points except for this one, replaying the same stages over and over again hoping you get the best version of a drop is not more interesting than a boss fight. It could be if treasures at least had a guarantee drop after you beat it enough times, but it doesn't.
but fr though going into a stage blind and seeing a super metal hippoe after the 10 second mark is the shittiest game design ever
Sure, but the mechanic itself is far more interesting in its effect than fighting a boss and getting noodle cats. And, at the same time, things like treasure drop rate up events happen all the time.
I don't think the treasure mechanic is all that great, but I think in the case of weakening a trait it was the most well implemented variation of it.
@AlexanderG-l4c that's fair, I guess I just found the fun in collecting the units most of all as well as being able to beat the bosses being satisfying, whether I crushed them or not that's how I saw my progression
i think that the implementation of metal killer will allow ponos to add more metal enemies and allow those metal enemies to be more unique. exept for the fact that the only units with metal killer are ubers (i think)
That is correct. Ultra Kaguya, Pumpkin Sodom and Mech Patrol Axel are the only Metal Killers. Being all Ubers.
I think cyclone stages was a decent answer to fix the low anti metals in the game. Imagine getting hard stuck on a stage because you couldn’t unlock catasaurus in the gacha and relying on fish or moneko to crit.
An answer to a problem Ponos created, yes. Then, once you solve that problem, the whole trait becomes annoying more than anything outside of a few cool uses of it like in total myopia
I go back and forth as to whether or not I want to ultra form kaguya for metal killer. On one hand, no more metal seals. On the other, I save dark catseyes and hope catasaurus hits crits
@@NormalTime there are better units to use Dark Catseyes on
@ that’s exactly why I hesitate to ultra form kaguya. I’d much rather invest in something like uf dioramos but never having to worry about metal enemies with kaguya is very tempting
Been waiting for somebody to talk crap about metal enemy. They deserve it.
i found that one ul subchapters with stages of all metals kinda funnn
(except for this one with st dober)
Tbh the worst part is with the current anti metal selection, metals kinda… can’t go from this set pattern.
Much as there is wishing that there could be something different with metals, there is AVID reason why there isn’t even a metal backliner yet, let alone something like a metal/behemoth, colossus/baron or sage. The typing fundamentally can’t be different without being unbearable or imbalanced. Would it be nice to at least have a metal backliner: yes it definitely would since it could even open up new niches for certain units, for instance, it can make the value of cat researcher as a critter more warranted since it can quickly rush in and attempt to chip it. Or hell, even making a metal/zombie so soba’s zkill actually has a reason to exist. I play bcu, and encounter various concepts such as the aforementioned, and they worked beautifully, so no reason ponos can’t pull it off as well.
You either will always hate them or learn to love them.
@@gryfek6751 Learned to Love
@@sboxes5447 minaaaa
Metal enemies aren't fun to play against, every time I go into a metal stage I release a very let down sigh
Kid named Relic: 🗿
i fought the red cyclone in catclaw dojo and got 20 cat tickets am happy
I just got Ultra Kaguya so this isnt a problem for me anymore
my main complaint about metal is that it forces specialists, it's a complete guess whether you get fucked over 2 sides front and back or not
metal sage behemoth colossal r. ost when
behemoths left the chat
@Whitehole5615 wild doge is the only hated behemoth
Not even behemoth-
Getting a good critter lines hyabusa is hard Sure there ss stuff like water blast and metal killer but still
If metals were all like Croconator where theyre more of a hinderance than a full on gimmick, they woukd actually be really fun.
But something that smart is fantasy for PONOS.
It's hard to call metals the worst implemented when they've been in the game for so long(like almost 10 years long). Either way I hate them with a passion and will probably get UF kaguya when they piss off enough.
1. I love destroying metal seal and hippoe with my level 45 lufalan pasalan
2. Woods of Resentment is a pretty good metal mixed stage
3. can we delete the march to death metals? thanks.
Pure metal stages are fine, but if there’s a support enemy the stage is hell.
go my fixed lineup henry, metal doge and ultrabaabaa stage
💀
Every single metal stage ive ever played and lost/won to wasnt due to how smart i played or anything like that, it were my stats and luck, metal stages are boring due to these factors
Yes, I'll take metal seal for 500
I despise both metals and zombies
Honestly march to death almost made me quit the game
Lufalan Pasalan never left my teams just because that one random metal enemy that appears for NO FCKING reason
At least I have some chance of not having to leave and get catausaurus for just one level
Is it me or did your voice get deeper
It's just you lol
@AlexanderG-l4c maybe it's the mic , Idk you just sound difrent then you did
Actually upon further inspection it is just me
what inspired you to say a bible verse in your videos?
Jesus entering my life
Ha I'm stuck on a bull metal stage
I think crit should work like in Pokémon and criters Just have more change of giving a crit fix It the end good night
nuh uh (I have Nanaho)
Literally its get good rng or you are cooked
Menurut saya zombie lebih menyebalkan.
Calm engineer 35
Aku enemies tho-
Are one of the best traits in the entire game that utilizes the previously created mechanic of barriers and remakes them into shields with HP that comes back every time you knock them back, and their surge mechanic that acts like a wall to damage and block your cats from moving forward... They're incredible and add pleanty of variety to stages and are fun to fight even if it's an aku only stage, not to mention the interesting one time mechanic with the aku realms being the level capping.
On the opposite spectrum of traits when compared to metals
I'd personally preffer to remove crits and lower their base HP to the hundreads at their highest.
Remove the RNG aspect and make it a consistant endurance and patience to wear them down.
Sick friend 22
Behemoth are the worst "trait" and the WORST IMPLEMENTED TRAIT IN THE FAKING GAME!!!
You're not telling me that Behemoth are good
I never said anything about behemoths.
he never behemoths are good, and behemoths aren't an actual trait, so thats why it says worst. If he does count it, its probably pretty low
@@A.Bahumat13 more like the worst sub-trait out of all. But metal trait is the worst trait ever.