I was never taught tanhaji and such real history of ours. Or tanhaji is lie. I was never taught about veer savarkar, but just a passing passage. I learnt very late that there were such great rajput kings who imprisoned mughals. I was not taught. All I was taught was Shanti, and ahimsa, and I was put eye blinders, not see and be shocked at the hindu and Sikh genocides. If new methods are available to historians, it's correct to use them to reevaluate our history. Around 1947 we didn't engage in freedom wars, did we. It was transfer of power. I was never taught about 55 crores given against our wishes.
Why are you blaming books and teachers for ignorance? Why didn't you take the responsibility for your knowledge and go to a library or download pdf on your phone? This is what over-exposure to right wing content does, it makes you think of yourself as a victim instead of the culprit. Stop blaming others for your ignorance. P.S. what happened on 1947 was indeed independence not transfer of power. IDK what nonsense you learn in your WhatsApp group.
Much of Central, Southern and north eastern parts of India are excluded in our textbooks , we have proud histories from that region, History of Independence struggle is also once sided it completely denies space to Revolutionaries. Ancient Indian History is not only cast India's proud heritage and contributions must ne taught. Even today we teach rubbish like Aryan Invasion theory to our Children in school at the time when genetics completely distroyed the Colonial narrative.
@@argumentativeindians Thats what I was taught about that bogus theory before I became a student of medicine and quite well versed with DNA terminology. I am also surprised at the complete lack of the panelist to accept that new information is available and that Akbar and co. are not beyond critique. I don't see a problem in looking at the Mughals like the Maratha invasion of Bengal. If the British colonialists can be demonized in spite of some of their positive contributions, what's different about the Mughals.
@@argumentativeindians Yes it is included, I studied in an ICSE school, we had it in our textbooks. It almost successfully brainwashed me into believing that Sanskrit and Hinduism is foreign to India, until recently when, I read many articles in which new scientific evidence completely busted the so called Aryan invasion/migration myth.
With my limited history knowledge learnt in school, I was suprised when Eminent prof Habib shares that, Amir khusroo praised india first time in his poem. Many south indian temples priest even today mention about bharat varsha when receiting ancient vedas. Vikram also shares example of Shakthi peethas and Shankaracharya's main four mutts, which culturally integrated Bharat/India as one cultural civilization. Today Modi government has muslim govt employees working. Does the communist call it a secular government ? If some muslim invader puts a hindu governor in Kabul what is so great ? Wasn't afghanistan not having hindu population before invaders occupied ? Can britisher be called saints, just because they employed indians ? Vikram is more accomodative and suggesting better understanding with new discovery and tools. Every nation rewritting history cannot be accused and brushed as fascist. Many countries do for various reason from new tools/discovery. There may be many faults in right wing narrative, but Prof Habib is so ideologically inclined to even accept little truth in right wight narratives or disovery of new tools/discovery/different viewpoints. None need to agree to me. Atleast I am not happy of having read a history book written by Prof Habib during my school day. I would have loved to hear multiple viewpoint/ narratives including Habib's or right wing based on well researched facts.
SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? There is no truth in general right wing narrative. I'm sorry but you can't compare today's norm and rules with medieval times. It's astonishing you would suggest that!. I mean, many says Sikhs were killed by oppressive Mughals😅 😅😅... Any historical sources would mention that Sikhs had rebelled against Mughals... Now, we know what happened when modern Indian govt faced a Sikh rebellion. And REMEMBER BTW! THE STATE POWER TODAY IS EXTREMELY MORE THAN THE TIME OF MUGHALS.... LET'S NOT FORGET HOW RAJPUTS LOOKED AT SOUTH INDIANS😂😂. YOU DID MENTION THE SANSKRIT BHARATVARSHA. HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE ONE EVIDENCE FOR ONE THING AND THEN IGNORE EVERYTHING WHICH GOES AGAINST IT....
The very concept of "nation" and "nationalism" is a modern phenomenon attributed to the nineteenth century in Europe. The Indian subcontinent was an ancient civilisation, but never a nation before the emergency of colonialism and imperialism!
@@smitasaurakhia1037 A nation state is different from a nation, and different from a Civilizational state. There was always a concept of Bharatvarsha (India) as a civilizational state, and every ruler wished to establish it as a complete nation. Just because nation states didn't exist before 19th century does not mean that there wasn't a sense of unity and oneness among the Indians towards the Indian subcontinent.
There are million manuscripts unexplored, some Indians should try to explore them. It is not be taken up as useful ones, whereas some Britishers did with help some some pandits, may be not as learned as required for helped in interpreting the ancients scriptures….
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INDIAN glorious history MUST be rewritten and it MUST be compulsory To revisit for every indian student and even for every Indian whatsoever the age and background he or she in..we are fed up of glorified so called civilized West and middle East.. The reality MUST be realised now it's High Time..
Historiography or writing of history is not static nor should it be limited to the literate only. India has ancient texts which were written down as Itihaasa, we have also had the tradition of oral history. For a historian all of these are sources and rewriting our textbooks does not have to mean rewriting history! On the contrary, the subject can be made more interesting with multiple versions. Let's guide the children to engage their mental faculties rather than memorizing dates!
Mughal emperors got written through their court men paid by the emperor. How can that be a reliable document? If so Rama and stories in Puranas must be believed more.
But sir there mughol & delhi sultanate courte historian proudly tell that how they killed hindus,destroyed there universities & temples how barbaric they used to collect jajiza from Hindus but they discard them & tell that they r exaggerated but on d other hand they blindly in same islamic courte historian books about Mongols. 🤭🤭
Manuscripts, Tawarikhs are NOT about the emperor or political triumphs of the dynasty- that is a myopic perspective and not how history or historiography is studied! These historical sources (albeit not perfect) give us an idea about the sociopolitical and economic milieu of the times...of course, you wouldn't know since you are an engineer and not trained in History as a discipline
The moderator is quiet a talent for moderation. Good job. Edit: the moderator is callenging the panelists with poignant examples. There seems to be no vigor to defend the sides. Why is sampath so meek in this video?
For each and every period proof is mandatory for whatever written since 1947(no opinion of any group should be allowed) .. need to find out whatever evidence is hidden or destroyed or ignored purposefully and by whom /group involved....
Let me tell you though an engineer , I could not understand what you wish to aim at.What Indian historian can do is write good researched books of history. I read two or three books on Ashoka by American writers so well written. Why Indian cannot do that? Why do not you write on the intellectuals or on ancient scientists.
Most of the people you invited considered Habib as an intellectual, but only vikram Sampath was kinda contrary voice how's dialogues supposed to be balanced I do understand that tripurdaman has written on nehru in a light which would not be liked by the other 3
This is a good effort. will take time for the audience to take in the nuances. congratulations Mr Arora for the initiative and setting the stage for healthy discussions
ppl who say no need Rewrite, those r fools or they are struck with their own Ego or they just want to make their brand of ppl happy by giving nice words. I am from Telugu state, when I was child and studying history, I never read about anything about Telugu history and Indian history before British and Muslim rulers. it start from Babar and Akbar and British and Independence and nice words about Gandi and Nehru, some important questions on Jaliyanwalabag ,Salt band, Ahsoka planting trees etc .. what kind of history that is? there is no 1% of history about Telugu, Telugu ppl, Telugu Literature , Telugu Cultures , Telugu Festivals , Telugu Farming, we have lot of farming history, Telugu Kinds. even today , no proper books or science is there on this on Telugu culture and this evolved .. same apply to Tamilnadu and other cultures, do not compare literature and History.. there is no Single chapter on how the Vedas evolved what is the importance of them, what is the science behind that... same on our Civilization.. we can keep talk on many missing things.. one person argued here, how many things we can add in the history books.. yes it is not possible, but what is the relevant to the children on inventions, yes independence part is important but cannot be 50%.. it is important to focus on their own culture and civilization history and science behind that.. long back in one of the talk one person explained so well, how the farming is evolved in the Telugu state, he has give so much science behind that.. we have plenty of festivals, there is science behind each festival how it started, I am taking about big festivals, we have local festivals celebrated by couple of villages only.. i know these things are there all over India.. all these things thought throw. a lot of social science can be developed based on this kind of information..
thesis x antithesis = synthesis , then this synthesis is debunked by another antihesis to form different synthesis.( if proven ) AND THE CYCLES IS CONTINUED...problem in india is one holds on to one narrative /agenda and the other accounts are discarded depending on ones political ideology, affiliation. or prof emeritus status.
28.49 professor was wrong about ahom . There are historical documents which call buranji ...which are recovered and there are many written document present in Satra ( monestry)from where we can understand society and politics of ahom rule.....there was habit of ahom society to keep recorded events happened that time. Which are still exists . Recently one historical noted ( letters) found that last ahom prince gomdhar konwar declared revolts against East india company before sepoy mutiny . I think ahom history needed exam and put its right place in ncert books respectfully.
The anchor should be dressed more formally for this important occasion where he appears in an unbuttoned black shirt and that too in the grace of well respected public intellectuals.
They married and stayed in India. All Mughal emperors after Humanyun were Indians, with Indian blood. The British, on the other hand, still ruled from England and only exploited India to make their own country rich. If you don't understand this difference then you are a fool.
There is a grate misunderstanding in Indian's that the muslims and Christians are from different religious thoughts. In actually the have a minor diffrence of thinking about Jesus only.as per Cheech the Jesus is god and killed by Jews and he took rebirth after crusifired. Muslim belives that Jesus was the massanger of God and disappeared by God before crusifired. So you try to find diffrence between there regime you can not find any thing.
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Isn't history about facts ? Well researched and presented with irrefutable proof ? If it is about perspectives, there will be many versions history. Stop yielding to political pressures and unite to serve the cause of history like true historians.
History is always about different perspectives. Historians are supposed to present all available facts and not selected according to the sources. To say that medieval history records are more reliable is in itself a bias. Something historians are taught to avoid.
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Perhaps there were temples earlier and before that Buddhist stupas and before that sacred sites of ancient animist beliefs. Qutub Minar however is a spectacular example of Islamic Indian architecture.
@@intellectuallycurious6443 Question is about why historian hide that fact that there is budhha vihara or temples in Qutab minar? What is their political agenda?
@@dev7155g Perhaps because common people are unable to contextualise such information. As a nation we started with extremely violent communal riots. In the aftermath of those horrors would anyone in their right conscience give such information to ignorant masses? Today selective fragments of information are circulated to mislead impressionable youth into carrying out crimes against innocent civilians. Lynching of poor boys and demolishing homes of elderly are justified in our so called democracy by quoting crimes of 17th century autocrats.
Habib: the job of the historian is to find the truth Sampath: the job of the historian is to craft a narrative Guess who the crowd in the comments is praising? Guess who the crowd in the comments is calling a "marxist"
The moment you hear Bose and Savarkar in one sentence as one and the same...you know you are surrounded by Sanghi thugs parading as intellectuals. Good accent mr Moderator ;-p
Well rajbihari bose, head Of INA doesn't think so when exchanged letters with savarkar while planning for expansion of INA, But people like you are so much fed on propaganda ,well no one can correct you
Ooo really???...thn what is mentioned in our scriptures???.... That "the land between the Himalayas and the ocean is bharata". Mr. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Hey, stop living in myths and denial mode. Remember, India as a political nation concept may be fairly new. However, the idea of a united India or the realization of it had took place thousands of years back only. Right from the time of Mauryan Empire to the Marathas (from whom Britishers took over), India as a civilization did exist. And brother, it was Britain who actually tried to destroy and dismantle the ethnic culture of Bharat or India.
Go and search on Google about Indian temples... See the stone carvings on them... Also see the carving of bycle on panchavarnaswamy temple..... Yes also u visit tamil Nadu, karnataka, andrapradesh, madhyapradesh and many more once in your life. 😂
To everyone, one must read eminent historian by arun shorie before reading history, even if you are right leaning or left leaning
Arun shourie is not an historian. He is a grifter.
What vikram said I learned in my school.thank God that I did not learn ncert text book during childhood.
I was never taught tanhaji and such real history of ours.
Or tanhaji is lie.
I was never taught about veer savarkar, but just a passing passage.
I learnt very late that there were such great rajput kings who imprisoned mughals.
I was not taught.
All I was taught was Shanti, and ahimsa, and I was put eye blinders, not see and be shocked at the hindu and Sikh genocides.
If new methods are available to historians, it's correct to use them to reevaluate our history.
Around 1947 we didn't engage in freedom wars, did we.
It was transfer of power.
I was never taught about 55 crores given against our wishes.
Why are you blaming books and teachers for ignorance? Why didn't you take the responsibility for your knowledge and go to a library or download pdf on your phone?
This is what over-exposure to right wing content does, it makes you think of yourself as a victim instead of the culprit.
Stop blaming others for your ignorance.
P.S. what happened on 1947 was indeed independence not transfer of power. IDK what nonsense you learn in your WhatsApp group.
The topic should have been "Should school HISTORY text book be rewritten". Fine. OK. I'm for it
Vikram Sir is so eloquent!
Sampat is brilliant with his well articulated arguments.
Much of Central, Southern and north eastern parts of India are excluded in our textbooks , we have proud histories from that region, History of Independence struggle is also once sided it completely denies space to Revolutionaries. Ancient Indian History is not only cast India's proud heritage and contributions must ne taught.
Even today we teach rubbish like Aryan Invasion theory to our Children in school
at the time when genetics completely distroyed the Colonial narrative.
Thanks for sharing your view. Are you certain “Aryan Invasion” is part of school curriculum? Is it included in CBSE or ICSE?
@@argumentativeindians Thats what I was taught about that bogus theory before I became a student of medicine and quite well versed with DNA terminology.
I am also surprised at the complete lack of the panelist to accept that new information is available and that Akbar and co. are not beyond critique. I don't see a problem in looking at the Mughals like the Maratha invasion of Bengal. If the British colonialists can be demonized in spite of some of their positive contributions, what's different about the Mughals.
@@rohandev1444 Exactly
@@argumentativeindians infact,it is one of the first things in history you learn in cbse or icse...
@@argumentativeindians Yes it is included, I studied in an ICSE school, we had it in our textbooks.
It almost successfully brainwashed me into believing that Sanskrit and Hinduism is foreign to India, until recently when, I read many articles in which new scientific evidence completely busted the so called Aryan invasion/migration myth.
Vikram sampat is not from rss .So stop saying
He's giving a perspective which is challenging the current ecosystem.
I agree. He's just a naive trad.
Amazed at Vikram's scholarship
With my limited history knowledge learnt in school, I was suprised when Eminent prof Habib shares that, Amir khusroo praised india first time in his poem. Many south indian temples priest even today mention about bharat varsha when receiting ancient vedas. Vikram also shares example of Shakthi peethas and Shankaracharya's main four mutts, which culturally integrated Bharat/India as one cultural civilization.
Today Modi government has muslim govt employees working. Does the communist call it a secular government ? If some muslim invader puts a hindu governor in Kabul what is so great ? Wasn't afghanistan not having hindu population before invaders occupied ? Can britisher be called saints, just because they employed indians ?
Vikram is more accomodative and suggesting better understanding with new discovery and tools. Every nation rewritting history cannot be accused and brushed as fascist. Many countries do for various reason from new tools/discovery. There may be many faults in right wing narrative, but Prof Habib is so ideologically inclined to even accept little truth in right wight narratives or disovery of new tools/discovery/different viewpoints. None need to agree to me.
Atleast I am not happy of having read a history book written by Prof Habib during my school day. I would have loved to hear multiple viewpoint/ narratives including Habib's or right wing based on well researched facts.
well said sir!
SO WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST? There is no truth in general right wing narrative.
I'm sorry but you can't compare today's norm and rules with medieval times. It's astonishing you would suggest that!.
I mean, many says Sikhs were killed by oppressive Mughals😅 😅😅...
Any historical sources would mention that Sikhs had rebelled against Mughals... Now, we know what happened when modern Indian govt faced a Sikh rebellion.
And REMEMBER BTW! THE STATE POWER TODAY IS EXTREMELY MORE THAN THE TIME OF MUGHALS....
LET'S NOT FORGET HOW RAJPUTS LOOKED AT SOUTH INDIANS😂😂.
YOU DID MENTION THE SANSKRIT BHARATVARSHA.
HOWEVER, YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE ONE EVIDENCE FOR ONE THING AND THEN IGNORE EVERYTHING WHICH GOES AGAINST IT....
I love Vikram Sampath but I was expecting him to say a little more. He didn't rebut some of the points.
Irfan habib ji u smartly escape the question on tipu sultan.
lmfao true
@Tom, The concept of India was present since the Vedic days. The British only contribution is partitioning India for their Fascist Imperial politics
The very concept of "nation" and "nationalism" is a modern phenomenon attributed to the nineteenth century in Europe. The Indian subcontinent was an ancient civilisation, but never a nation before the emergency of colonialism and imperialism!
@@smitasaurakhia1037 A nation state is different from a nation, and different from a Civilizational state. There was always a concept of Bharatvarsha (India) as a civilizational state, and every ruler wished to establish it as a complete nation. Just because nation states didn't exist before 19th century does not mean that there wasn't a sense of unity and oneness among the Indians towards the Indian subcontinent.
Yes. Indian history must be rewritten correctly.
Who decides what’s correct and incorrect?
There are million manuscripts unexplored, some Indians should try to explore them. It is not be taken up as useful ones, whereas some Britishers did with help some some pandits, may be not as learned as required for helped in interpreting the ancients scriptures….
School history should be rewritten.
By whom?
i felt sampath was being very defensive and polite while everyone else was quite aggressive
It's "UNMASKING"of Indian history."Rewriting" is misleading & contemptuous phrase
New Discovery of Sinauli,
Rakhi Garhi
Sd be ignored ???
There was reward of Rs 2 crores who can give evidence of Aryan Invasion theory & prove it
Why did it end so abruptly? I wanted to hear Professor Aparna Vaidik's response.
Please see the second part of this livestream here ruclips.net/user/liveudLGOm-eRLc?feature=share
@@argumentativeindians i saw it and it doesn't start from where this ends so Professor Vaidik's response is lost. Shoddy work.
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INDIAN glorious history MUST be rewritten and it MUST be compulsory To revisit for every indian student and even for every Indian whatsoever the age and background he or she in..we are fed up of glorified so called civilized West and middle East.. The reality MUST be realised now it's High Time..
Historiography or writing of history is not static nor should it be limited to the literate only. India has ancient texts which were written down as Itihaasa, we have also had the tradition of oral history. For a historian all of these are sources and rewriting our textbooks does not have to mean rewriting history! On the contrary, the subject can be made more interesting with multiple versions. Let's guide the children to engage their mental faculties rather than memorizing dates!
Mughal emperors got written through their court men paid by the emperor. How can that be a reliable document? If so Rama and stories in Puranas must be believed more.
But sir there mughol & delhi sultanate courte historian proudly tell that how they killed hindus,destroyed there universities & temples how barbaric they used to collect jajiza from Hindus but they discard them & tell that they r exaggerated but on d other hand they blindly in same islamic courte historian books about Mongols. 🤭🤭
Manuscripts, Tawarikhs are NOT about the emperor or political triumphs of the dynasty- that is a myopic perspective and not how history or historiography is studied! These historical sources (albeit not perfect) give us an idea about the sociopolitical and economic milieu of the times...of course, you wouldn't know since you are an engineer and not trained in History as a discipline
The moderator is quiet a talent for moderation. Good job.
Edit: the moderator is callenging the panelists with poignant examples. There seems to be no vigor to defend the sides. Why is sampath so meek in this video?
For each and every period proof is mandatory for whatever written since 1947(no opinion of any group should be allowed) .. need to find out whatever evidence is hidden or destroyed or ignored purposefully and by whom /group involved....
Let me tell you though an engineer , I could not understand what you wish to aim at.What Indian historian can do is write good researched books of history. I read two or three books on Ashoka by American writers so well written. Why Indian cannot do that? Why do not you write on the intellectuals or on ancient scientists.
Read meenakshi jain's books..
read sitaram goel
, rc muzumdar..
Ashoka was a looser. ashoka was already a devout buddhist before he invaded kalinga. ashoka killed ajivikas and jains.
@@lfds8342 and aurangzeb saved everyon
@@sargonofakkad860
Ashoka and aurangzeb dono hi barbaad hai.
@@devvratmishra9000 hahaha Nice joke It's all U can say to children.
Most of the people you invited considered Habib as an intellectual, but only vikram Sampath was kinda contrary voice how's dialogues supposed to be balanced I do understand that tripurdaman has written on nehru in a light which would not be liked by the other 3
They should have invited Meenakshi Jain to balance the odds.
This is a good effort. will take time for the audience to take in the nuances. congratulations Mr Arora for the initiative and setting the stage for healthy discussions
I think it is correcting history not rewriting.
ppl who say no need Rewrite, those r fools or they are struck with their own Ego or they just want to make their brand of ppl happy by giving nice words. I am from Telugu state, when I was child and studying history, I never read about anything about Telugu history and Indian history before British and Muslim rulers. it start from Babar and Akbar and British and Independence and nice words about Gandi and Nehru, some important questions on Jaliyanwalabag ,Salt band, Ahsoka planting trees etc .. what kind of history that is? there is no 1% of history about Telugu, Telugu ppl, Telugu Literature , Telugu Cultures , Telugu Festivals , Telugu Farming, we have lot of farming history, Telugu Kinds. even today , no proper books or science is there on this on Telugu culture and this evolved .. same apply to Tamilnadu and other cultures, do not compare literature and History.. there is no Single chapter on how the Vedas evolved what is the importance of them, what is the science behind that... same on our Civilization.. we can keep talk on many missing things.. one person argued here, how many things we can add in the history books.. yes it is not possible, but what is the relevant to the children on inventions, yes independence part is important but cannot be 50%.. it is important to focus on their own culture and civilization history and science behind that.. long back in one of the talk one person explained so well, how the farming is evolved in the Telugu state, he has give so much science behind that.. we have plenty of festivals, there is science behind each festival how it started, I am taking about big festivals, we have local festivals celebrated by couple of villages only.. i know these things are there all over India.. all these things thought throw. a lot of social science can be developed based on this kind of information..
thesis x antithesis = synthesis , then this synthesis is debunked by another antihesis to form different synthesis.( if proven ) AND THE CYCLES IS CONTINUED...problem in india is one holds on to one narrative /agenda and the other accounts are discarded depending on ones political ideology, affiliation. or prof emeritus status.
It is vikram vs rest debate
He is because it is a leftist channel, nothing wrong with that ..
28.49 professor was wrong about ahom . There are historical documents which call buranji ...which are recovered and there are many written document present in Satra ( monestry)from where we can understand society and politics of ahom rule.....there was habit of ahom society to keep recorded events happened that time. Which are still exists . Recently one historical noted ( letters) found that last ahom prince gomdhar konwar declared revolts against East india company before sepoy mutiny . I think ahom history needed exam and put its right place in ncert books respectfully.
Indian History must be re written
Vikram sampat sound logical
Why not? Up till now Leftist n Librandu version of history is there. What's wrong in Rightist version (if anyone calls so) of it Itihasa?
If one does not compare the all facts avilable for about history it cannot do justice with its work.
The anchor should be dressed more formally for this important occasion where he appears in an unbuttoned black shirt and that too in the grace of well respected public intellectuals.
Mr.Habib is a master of general abstractions.
I'd phrase it was having a better grip of the first principles.
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To quote our great current national hero “button khula hai aapka “ to the host😂
Habib is aanoyed why newcomer vikram raising point on old history narrative.
For Mr. Habib, How the Islamic emperors were different from Britishers…?
They married and stayed in India. All Mughal emperors after Humanyun were Indians, with Indian blood.
The British, on the other hand, still ruled from England and only exploited India to make their own country rich. If you don't understand this difference then you are a fool.
@@gagworks first they are not Mughals that's one more lie.
They were far worse
There is a grate misunderstanding in Indian's that the muslims and Christians are from different religious thoughts. In actually the have a minor diffrence of thinking about Jesus only.as per Cheech the Jesus is god and killed by Jews and he took rebirth after crusifired. Muslim belives that Jesus was the massanger of God and disappeared by God before crusifired. So you try to find diffrence between there regime you can not find any thing.
@@anilgoyal4133 both religions copied and pasted from jews 😂
Arora bhai, tu to chaa gaya !!
Haha thanks 🙏
Does the Zoom meeting got disrupted ?
It is free for 40 min only 😂😂
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Surely not another disrupted discussion from India?
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Vikram sampat ji 🙏 great.
Is it only me ya sabka streaming band ho gaya hai ??
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Where is part 2 guys?
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I think only history students can understand Irfan Habib others are not able
Isn't history about facts ? Well researched and presented with irrefutable proof ? If it is about perspectives, there will be many versions history. Stop yielding to political pressures and unite to serve the cause of history like true historians.
History as a discipline is above political purposes, it is more complex than people can ever imagine.
History is always about different perspectives. Historians are supposed to present all available facts and not selected according to the sources. To say that medieval history records are more reliable is in itself a bias. Something historians are taught to avoid.
What just happened team arguementative India?
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I have visited qutub minar and there is ruined temples in Qutab minar complex but NCERT never mentioned that but glorify as a Islamic architecture
Perhaps there were temples earlier and before that Buddhist stupas and before that sacred sites of ancient animist beliefs. Qutub Minar however is a spectacular example of Islamic Indian architecture.
@@intellectuallycurious6443 Question is about why historian hide that fact that there is budhha vihara or temples in Qutab minar? What is their political agenda?
@@intellectuallycurious6443 Yes agreed in past it may be church like Hagia Sofia or Pagan like in Kaba or may be like bamyan budhha statue
@@dev7155g Perhaps because common people are unable to contextualise such information. As a nation we started with extremely violent communal riots. In the aftermath of those horrors would anyone in their right conscience give such information to ignorant masses? Today selective fragments of information are circulated to mislead impressionable youth into carrying out crimes against innocent civilians. Lynching of poor boys and demolishing homes of elderly are justified in our so called democracy by quoting crimes of 17th century autocrats.
Did gandhi deserved the kind of attention that indian history layed out.....this lady talking attention attention way too much
Energy left the chat 😂😂😂😂
Not a single staute of ashoka is build but small and tiny kings are glorified and statues build wasting tax payers money
Yes.
Habib: the job of the historian is to find the truth
Sampath: the job of the historian is to craft a narrative
Guess who the crowd in the comments is praising?
Guess who the crowd in the comments is calling a "marxist"
Hey man.. currently is the history being taught of as a narrative?
Do you not see the irony of your comment?
Aadha video rkke aap log kya karoge bhai...post the whole video.
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Modi ji b like maja nai aa rha hai !
Well Said, Prof. Habib. Lucky to have such sane voices in these times
what you call sane is compleatly biggoted
India has not right or left history
Stupid qns - all historians continually reassess history all the time nd then they ask qns shud we rewrite?
The Shankara destroyed the Buddhist temple and build the shingeri mud on Buddhist temple
No proof, don't just air whatever that comes tour mouth. I'm from that state
It was turkic invasion that destroyed buddhism in india.
Shankaracharya build shingeri mud on a Buddhist temple
The moment you hear Bose and Savarkar in one sentence as one and the same...you know you are surrounded by Sanghi thugs parading as intellectuals. Good accent mr Moderator ;-p
Well rajbihari bose, head Of INA doesn't think so when exchanged letters with savarkar while planning for expansion of INA,
But people like you are so much fed on propaganda ,well no one can correct you
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Moment u see people glorify Tipu Suktan and Aurangzeb, Babar u know u are surrounded by Hindu hating bigot jihadis
@@na4369 You can't put tipu Sultan and aurnzgeb is same bracket, they were poles apart ......
The concept of "India" as a nation state was invented by us British.
Sure buddy, keep hallucinating in your white savior pants where the world revolves around you.
Ooo really???...thn what is mentioned in our scriptures???.... That "the land between the Himalayas and the ocean is bharata". Mr. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
The reason why Tom is commenting and having all facilities der is because they looted Bharath and made it India.
The light of civilization only came to the sub continent with the coming of the British.
Before that we were Bharat
Check were English got their number system from
Hey, stop living in myths and denial mode. Remember, India as a political nation concept may be fairly new. However, the idea of a united India or the realization of it had took place thousands of years back only. Right from the time of Mauryan Empire to the Marathas (from whom Britishers took over), India as a civilization did exist. And brother, it was Britain who actually tried to destroy and dismantle the ethnic culture of Bharat or India.
We are no more listening to you British, please try this elsewhere. Talks about civilization!!
@@ShrinidhiDesai Japan and China followed in the ways of the West and are developed countries today.
India is a disaster on the other hand.
Show me one Hindu built building that can match the architectural sophistication of the British colonial buildings in India?
Since u asked only for 1 look at Brihdeshwara temple
I can suggest more
Go and search on Google about Indian temples... See the stone carvings on them... Also see the carving of bycle on panchavarnaswamy temple..... Yes also u visit tamil Nadu, karnataka, andrapradesh, madhyapradesh and many more once in your life. 😂
Hey Tom come to Bengaluru , I will give you a good tour of Indian Tempels across South India & will try to put some knowledge in your empty brain.
@@shrinidhibhat7240 this Tom dude looks like a speratist/pakistani, I have seen his comments in other videos as well