Reverse hurts nothing. The only component that gets strain on in reverse is the chain tension slider shoe inside the chain case. Full throttle, tension is on the long pull side of the chain. Hand brake, tension is on the brake disc, the chain in the case is nearly neutral tension other than engine compression. Engine braking and reverse, tension is on the chain tension sliding shoe, that's it. IF the roller comes away from the helix angle, all it does is rotate over to the back of the helix and rest there(put masking tape on the backside of the helix angle to make a dent); then when applying throttle, the roller moves away from the back of the helix to rest on the curved roller path again. ...Ive seen a gear case bust out in Revelstoke from reverse down a hill, but the sled had 18-49 gear and a severe dog leg in the case(the chain was one size too long), on an 08 xp 163. In the older REV chassis, it can snap the chain tension block (ive personally broke 2 of em' on an 05) . The G4 case is the "minty minterson" of chain cases for the tension shoe and lever position in relation to small top gear sizes and reverse braking. The smallest force on the tension shoe is in the G4 case. . ...If you ever get to try my clutch kit out for that Turbo, you'll be able to stand up and read the news paper coming down a hill with its strong engine braking, holding down to 14mph track speed with stock 21 top gear. A 19 top gear holds to 12mph. You did some Minty fucking wheelies Bud.
I haven’t seen it either sitting here like what’s he messing with over on the left then u hear the beeping. I had to come to the comments because I knew it would probably be getting covered and this guy, he knows.
Im thinking of getting a 850 rotax engine to make a pulsed plasma 2 stroke like Joseph Papp did and wound up dead. The trick here is to make toroidal plasmoids in the cylinders that tap aetheric ZPE. This is a ball lightning powered 2 stroke that would not need chemical fuels
I’m not exactly sure what happened but grape vine says the sled came over backwards essentially like a motorcycle coming over backwards in a wheelie and landed on top of him, either crushing him as these sleds are heavy 500ish pounds and or trapping him underneath the sled in the snow suffocating or something similar is probably what happened.
It works on some hills yes, but some hills are steep enough that with the clutch engaged you still pick up speed spinning the track backwards occasionally slows you back down
Andrew Ream Please explain how? The motor is designed to run backwards in reverse, everything is designed forwards and backwards just because there is a load on the motor doesn’t change that fact, Me and plenty of people I know have been doing it since reverse was invented it is extremely effective to slow you down on a steep hill
440x I know how to engine break, with the stock clutching I don’t like how high the rpms have to be to engine break because I end up going faster downhill then If I use reverse
never in my live have I heard someone constantly on and off the throttle....hear the turbo chatter...that it being forced to slow down do to less exhaust gases when you are on and off the throttle....will kill your turbo early......
Engine reverse down hill. Complete and voluntary surender of throttle control of the sled if needed. Hard on belt (see directional arrows printed). Hard on secondary rollers. I'd be most concerned with your decision to completely surrender any throttle control of your machine and being forced to remove a hand from your bars to do it. Not a wise technique you've adopted. Your ego and perhaps being set in your ways may have you thinking otherwise but everything I've listed above is accurate
alldaysammyj yea sure, in a bad scenario I can roll a sled on edge just as easy down hill without any throttle as long as I’m rolling forward so I’m not so concerned about giving up my forward throttle momentarily. I’m not forced but I did choose to use my right hand because I could regulate my speed with my left using the brake during the action, I don’t always do it. But I had sprained my ankle prior to this video that day and I didn’t want to overdo it, so this seemed to be the best controlled way of descent on a slushy open hillside
@@cthom5190 thanks for the reply. By surender of throttle control I wasn't referring to your use of your right hand, even though dancing hands all over the handle bars is another sacrifice of control. You compound that with a gap in situational awareness with your eye and mind focus moving from your surroundings to your controls. In reverse you've lost any potential input that may be needed to control or change the attitude of the machine. Not looking to get much more into this but wanted to clarify what I meant there. The accuracy of my comment still stands, not a wise practice. The other thing I and other experienced riders would worry about would be you passing on this to a new rider who wouldn't know any better. We can only lead a horse to water.
@@Icutmetal Klotz techniplate with brp xd-100 oil, 6 gallons total. its burns some and there is a big built in vro pump in the bottom! gthese oils b urn much cleaner than rotella sae 40 petrol oil and the ports and exhaust valves are cleaner!
Whosyourdaddy B It helped me slow down coming down a steep slippery hill because the track spinning backwards helps dig it into the hill and build up snow in front of me to slow me down
Reverse hurts nothing. The only component that gets strain on in reverse is the chain tension slider shoe inside the chain case. Full throttle, tension is on the long pull side of the chain. Hand brake, tension is on the brake disc, the chain in the case is nearly neutral tension other than engine compression. Engine braking and reverse, tension is on the chain tension sliding shoe, that's it. IF the roller comes away from the helix angle, all it does is rotate over to the back of the helix and rest there(put masking tape on the backside of the helix angle to make a dent); then when applying throttle, the roller moves away from the back of the helix to rest on the curved roller path again.
...Ive seen a gear case bust out in Revelstoke from reverse down a hill, but the sled had 18-49 gear and a severe dog leg in the case(the chain was one size too long), on an 08 xp 163. In the older REV chassis, it can snap the chain tension block (ive personally broke 2 of em' on an 05) .
The G4 case is the "minty minterson" of chain cases for the tension shoe and lever position in relation to small top gear sizes and reverse braking. The smallest force on the tension shoe is in the G4 case.
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...If you ever get to try my clutch kit out for that Turbo, you'll be able to stand up and read the news paper coming down a hill with its strong engine braking, holding down to 14mph track speed with stock 21 top gear. A 19 top gear holds to 12mph. You did some Minty fucking wheelies Bud.
Thank you!! 😂 I thought reverse was just a thing everybody did! Didn’t know some people were so negative towards it!
ive never thought of that, but that the first time i see someone putt it in reverse going downhill, semm to work great, lol
I haven’t seen it either sitting here like what’s he messing with over on the left then u hear the beeping. I had to come to the comments because I knew it would probably be getting covered and this guy, he knows.
Glad to see that I’m not the only one hitting reverse going down a hill. It’s saved me a handful of times
Happy you said that I was wondering if thats what the beeping was like on my mxz good to know that works
verry bad
Do not do that so bad for sled just go down the hill like a man
@@Central-Send my friend said the same so Im with you ..just gonna send it like larry enticer!!!
@@Central-Send you only get one life, why tf would you gamble it over some metal and plastic? Its better to be safe than sorry.
That sled is a beast
Im thinking of getting a 850 rotax engine to make a pulsed plasma 2 stroke like Joseph Papp did and wound up dead. The trick here is to make toroidal plasmoids in the cylinders that tap aetheric ZPE. This is a ball lightning powered 2 stroke that would not need chemical fuels
insane!!!
Camera doesnt do justice for how big that hill is
Great video, where is this location??
Utah!
Where is there snow? I live in Buffalo NY and we don't get snow anymore just a few storms that then melt within a week
Utah! Our snow season in the north part of Utah southern part of Idaho is generally from around end of November to end of May!
I need to try this before I die
I see this model is similar to ken block it is still lifting while going uphill what went wrong with ken block in your estimation?
I’m not exactly sure what happened but grape vine says the sled came over backwards essentially like a motorcycle coming over backwards in a wheelie and landed on top of him, either crushing him as these sleds are heavy 500ish pounds and or trapping him underneath the sled in the snow suffocating or something similar is probably what happened.
where the hell is this!
Utah!
I know this is old but have you moved that reverse button to your throttle side yet?
Nope can reach it easily with my thumb!
Just engage the clutch when coming down a hill, it does better then reverse
It works on some hills yes, but some hills are steep enough that with the clutch engaged you still pick up speed spinning the track backwards occasionally slows you back down
Never have I ever seen or heard of anyone putting a sled in reverse coming down a hill before. Can't be good for the sled.
Andrew Ream Please explain how? The motor is designed to run backwards in reverse, everything is designed forwards and backwards just because there is a load on the motor doesn’t change that fact, Me and plenty of people I know have been doing it since reverse was invented it is extremely effective to slow you down on a steep hill
Andrew Ream won’t hurt anything but only people that don’t know how to engine break
440x I know how to engine break, with the stock clutching I don’t like how high the rpms have to be to engine break because I end up going faster downhill then If I use reverse
Cthom51 I find my 17 fine for it just hard to wrap your head around using throttle to slow down but clutching maybe drastically different on the turbo
440x I understand and have used engine breaking before, I use it tons on my 19, I was using reverse for a reason.
where is that
Utah!
Big difference with the turbo at elevation?
Yes! HUGE difference!
Literally too much power.
If you haven’t done this you don’t know what fun is lol .
Preach
@@cthom5190 how much is one of those
@@zaidonthemoon144 the sled? MSRP is around 20,000 usd I believe
I ride a 2009 600 etec I just use the clutch for braking.
Привет! Как 600 E-Tec, какой пробег, двигатель надежный, какой ресурс?
Are these fun?
Yes very
you should try some steep hills
Man the hate is sure coming in now 😂
@@cthom5190 😂😂
Sucks this thing isn’t a little bit cheaper, can’t justify spending that much on something I’m only gonna get out on 5-10 times a year
It is pretty sad! It’s so fun though! It’s definitely worth it!
This thing goes for 18k lol damn that's way more than I thought
wow it take a lot of horsepower to plow through that powder. With that fisheye lens it seems to pull nothing like a dirt bike
Would argue this pulls twice as hard as a dirt bike!
Are you joking lmao this think is fing nuts you’ve probably never even ridde
@@cthom5190how would you compare it to a 600cc bike?
@@Penuts911 I would compare this snowmobile closer to an r1 then and r6… I will say that
@@Penuts911 I would say this is closer to an r1 then a r6
never in my live have I heard someone constantly on and off the throttle....hear the turbo chatter...that it being forced to slow down do to less exhaust gases when you are on and off the throttle....will kill your turbo early......
Tell me you know nothing about 2 stroke turbo sleds on a mountain without telling me ....
How many times can you make a rainbow turn before it gets boring?
Ted Walker I have not found the limit
lame
Ted Walker Just like you my good man.
Вот это аппарат!!! 👍 Я бы на таком прокатился бы 🔥😎 Везде волосы назад 🤣
Is this the 850 rotax turbo R that’s powered by a ball lightning quantum macro object. Kiril Chukanov discussed this!
Engine reverse down hill. Complete and voluntary surender of throttle control of the sled if needed. Hard on belt (see directional arrows printed). Hard on secondary rollers. I'd be most concerned with your decision to completely surrender any throttle control of your machine and being forced to remove a hand from your bars to do it. Not a wise technique you've adopted. Your ego and perhaps being set in your ways may have you thinking otherwise but everything I've listed above is accurate
alldaysammyj yea sure, in a bad scenario I can roll a sled on edge just as easy down hill without any throttle as long as I’m rolling forward so I’m not so concerned about giving up my forward throttle momentarily. I’m not forced but I did choose to use my right hand because I could regulate my speed with my left using the brake during the action, I don’t always do it. But I had sprained my ankle prior to this video that day and I didn’t want to overdo it, so this seemed to be the best controlled way of descent on a slushy open hillside
@@cthom5190 thanks for the reply. By surender of throttle control I wasn't referring to your use of your right hand, even though dancing hands all over the handle bars is another sacrifice of control. You compound that with a gap in situational awareness with your eye and mind focus moving from your surroundings to your controls. In reverse you've lost any potential input that may be needed to control or change the attitude of the machine. Not looking to get much more into this but wanted to clarify what I meant there. The accuracy of my comment still stands, not a wise practice. The other thing I and other experienced riders would worry about would be you passing on this to a new rider who wouldn't know any better. We can only lead a horse to water.
everybody is a fucking expert on youtube
@@tightbhole420 Why else would someone post a video on youtube, other than to receive our expert opinions in the comment section.
lol Reverse?? "Back in my day!" ..
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
hello
,,,,,yyes,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hows,this????..........putting it in reverse coming down .????????.clever,just ride the center line!.😯
This way more power than a 2 stroke diesell! my detroit 8v92 is on klotz techiple now!
@@jlo13800 Huh??
@@Icutmetal Klotz techniplate with brp xd-100 oil, 6 gallons total. its burns some and there is a big built in vro pump in the bottom! gthese oils b urn much cleaner than rotella sae 40 petrol oil and the ports and exhaust valves are cleaner!
В чем смысл?
put it in neutral
Why did you go in reverse
Whosyourdaddy B It helped me slow down coming down a steep slippery hill because the track spinning backwards helps dig it into the hill and build up snow in front of me to slow me down
This 2 stoke was designed and built in the House of New Orleans!
Guy is a fool
Ur hitting the same speed using the brakes as you do when puttin git in reverse just harder on the sled then it has to be
Clearly you’ve never rode a new snowmobile to know what they are capable of
Nah….I’ll stick to polaris…..amateur.
New video with g5 coming soon, might change your mind 😉
That poor throttle cable sure gets a work out. Rmmm rmmm rmmm rmmm rmmm...
MW 2
да я там на снегокате заеду