Wing Chun & The Real World of Violence
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Why does Wing Chun have "emergency techniques?" Why do we talk about straight hitting and simplicity all the time and then also practice things like Gaun Sao and Kwan Sao, which obviously aren't as simple and direct as an eye-jab? Well, because fighting in the real world, unlike in the school or ring, can be full of surprises. To think that we're always going to know when the fight starts, and where the attack will happen, is the stuff of insanity. That's the Achilles heel of most modern training. It presumes too much.
In today's video, Sifu Jason explains how and why Wing Chun is both simple AND comprehensive. It's not either/or. We need both the basics and emergency measures in order to be ready for the real thing.
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Kwon sao or whatever can also be something that happens in contact and can also be an attacking action, or convert to attack, like a tan ...I can hit you with my tan; and even just a kwon can be used as a structure attack...
Dope advice , thx .
Glad you liked it!
Really appreciate the clear Wing Chun Knowledge that you are providing with your content. Is there any chance to meet you or your Sifu in Europe one day?
@@fortythirty1950 yeah, that would be great. We’re looking into that for next year, in fact.
Always need an effective counter that becomes instinctual. Keep it simple......*
Wing chun is simple but not easy to learn. The Best in wing chun is the direct Hit. And the rebound of Energy. Like bon sao jut sao.
@@dimigeorg1044 right…keep it simple and snappy. Thanks for the input.
I've said it a million times to tons of JKD and non JKD .. In ChiSao it is not correct, and in fact very bad form to use a tok sao (palm) instead of a real fook sao to control... It's two different worlds... Good Chisao should have rolling, an attack and a follow up... not much more...
When you use palm you trap yourself and your partner.. Using the wrist to control on the outside like (fook) means that when his tool loses position your fook will have a direct line to his center... If you use a palm you will need to make a small disengagement first, and new angle, which changes everything... With a direct movement (spring energy) you develop lin sao dai da... or the attacking hand defends and this is a really important attribute... This is the attribute that Bruce called "It hits all by itself" ... and much more... not mention making your partner play from a bad position or energy state.
The palm for fook in this example (tok) was actually a cheat used first in HK by some very sneaky old guys when they received a visit from some younger American students,,, :)
One of the biggest problems with Chi Sao... is that people are using as if its an actual combat representation. Even Lee made this mistake. It was never meant to be much more than a Dual Arm sensitivity and coordination building drill. Furthermore... to get the MOST benefits out of Chi Sao.. BOTH people should randomly be presenting FLAWS. For example... rolling the Bong past the centerline. The main purpose and goal of Chi Sao... is to see if you and your partner can both "DETECT" the flaw, and "EXPLOIT" the flaw(s) properly... in the very short time-window available.
While its also good to train how to FORCE a response, using speed and or brute strength... If you spend too much time trying to "TALK" (brute force)... instead of "LISTENING" (listening for the right opportunities)... then you are not going to develop the Higher level soft-skills.
Bruce could often get away with being a bit too stiff and hard... because his body was FAR faster, and FAR FAR stronger... than the typical martial artists of his Era. However, if he would have been challenged by a fighter that was far larger, stronger, AND with equal skills... then Lees attempt to try to Force his interactions... would have easily have been "Stone-Walled" (stopped / negated / useless).
Furthermore... have greater speed doesnt always really work, against a high level fighter. An example of this... is if someone tries to step in with a flurry of fast chained punches. All you have to do to negate them, is to thrust your arm down the center... and at very most... a slight side to side movement, to deflect each and every one of them. You dont need to do an equally rapidfire chain of Pak Sao's, for example. Its all about being effective, and efficient, with your movements and positions. Superior rooted techniques, can easily negate a speed advantage (Ive had it happen to me, which is how I now know).
Going back to the former point... Chi Sao cant ever be a true representation of combat... because it always stays in the same exact Range of Combat... and has severely limited its combat level responses... as such. While there are many things that DO in fact work like they would in actual combat situations... there are still many things that fall outside of the Drill... that is very Unrealistic to actual combat.
To better represent actual combat... the combat drills would have had to be Closed off... So that they have a Beginning, and an End... And as such, you would spend a lot of time "resetting" each of your positions. All of the time spent re-setting, is time that COULD have better been utilized... which is Why ChiSao was developed to be Circular / Open Ended. Even when you score a hit, the resets to rolling, are extremely quick. This gives the students the MAXIMUM amount of Training time... for developing their Sensitivity and Dual Armed Coordination skills.
You are VERY Ignorant, if you think you can easily just step in with rolling punches (or are used to sparring against very BAD fighters). In fact, that goes against the CORE principles of Wing Chun, which is: "SAFETY FIRST". The moment you try to step in with rolling punches, is the exact moment some boxer could land a hook to the side of your Head (and sadly, Ive seen this happen to WC practitioners, time after time). The way WC is SUPPOSED to work.. is to first INTERCEPT the OPs attack. Once you have BRIDGED with the OP... you now are dealing with TACTILE Sensitivity / TACTILE Information. Touch is FAR more reliable than your visual processing... as the hands can more quicker than the Eyes. Thats why Magicians still have jobs...
Once you have made a "SAFE" bridge... you now work to "Sink the Bridge" (which is what Chun Kiu translates to). You now control the OPs single limb... and work on either pinning the OPs rear limb, or deflecting it as they launch it. Both of the OPs limbs should NOT be able to hit you... before you launch a SINGLE attack in WC.
This is one of the core reasons why WCs punches are So short in Range. Because they are designed to be thrown from near nose-to-nose distances... and to get there safely.. you need to fully disarm the OPs defenses, first. There are many clueless WC players, that often over-extend their punches, to try to REACH the OP at a distance. This can work... but if you are going up against a GOOD fighter, they could easily and instantly use an Arm-Breaking movement (or at minimal, trapping your fully locked out arm.. preventing you from moving / bending it back). Or they could use your locked out arm.. to pull, and or throw you around with. Also, fully locking out your arm... opens up your ribcage to a counterstrike... since your Down pointed Elbow.. is no longer protecting your sides.
The Gan Sao / Kwan Sao / Tan Sao... and many other moves in WC... are used to make a Safe bridge. Due to the fast speed of some punches / attacks... you may not know exactly where the strike is in 3d space. But you know the general Quadrant: Upper Left, Upper Right, Lower Left, Lower Right. All you have to do, is "SWEEP" the 3d space, with your arms. Eventually your arm will intercept with the OPs arm, at some point in your Sweeping motion. Its at that point, where you safe... and you have gained a ton of information, based on FEEL.
To be more Clear and Defined... There is a slight processing delay, between your visual sensors in your eyes... and the visual processing decoding, that happens in your brain. At slower speeds, you dont notice this delay. However, at very high speeds... a limb can be a mere blur... if you even visually see it at all. By the time you have noticed the movement... its too late.. and you are Hit. I can throw a toe-stabbing kick to the throat, fast as a Jab... and have it land... and or plant it fully back on the floor.. before a fighter even realized that my leg had moved. And as impressive as that may seem... Its even easier, and much faster.. just shooting out a blindingly fast handstrike. This is also why WC, and almost all Chinese arts... have an Extended Lead Guard hand. The extended arm... gives you far more DISTANCE and TIME, to react. More than enough time, to sweep the area, to make your interceptions.
As for the comment about Gan / Kwan not being able to harm the OP... that is also quite Ignorant. This is likely because you, like most WC practitioners, have never learned and MASTERED, the special "Internal" training methods. Nor have ever fully mastered "Short Range Power". For example... Many WC people have decent power from a punch that starts at the chest... which is about 1.5ft worth of travel, from Chest to the Attacker. However... what if you could only move your arm a maximum of 5 inches or less? Do you still have KO levels of power? Do you have Lethal levels of power, with only 2 inches or less of travel? If you dont... then you have not understood the true power of Wing Chun.
I have trained under 3 different WC teachers... and only one of them taught some of the Internal training methods. But even so... I had to figure out, and then train + master actual high level Fajin (explosive short range power). Even he didnt teach this part of the training to me. All WC teachers, teach the CONCEPT of an Internal Punch... but none are teaching what it takes to develop it to lethal levels, at Inch ranges... which is how it was always intended to be Trained + Used.
The last MMA fighter I was doing a demo for... He went at me with a full powered punch towards my abdomen (as part of his high to low combination). I used a downwards vectored interception (I believe the name is Jut Sao, but I could be mistaken)... and added about 10% level of Fajin (full body mass energy), into it. Even that 10%, was too much. It not only easily stopped his attack... but it also almost shattered his arm. He stopped sparring... and was grasping his wristbone area... clearly in pain. Within less than an hours time... his injury swelled up always double in size, and he was in SEVERE pains for many days to follow.
Now... to be very clear on the details... This MMA fighter, was about the same built as me. He was just a hair taller, with a tiny reach advantage. He was about 5 yrs younger. He claimed that he first trained in Krav Maga... but said he thought it was too unrealistic... so he went into MMA. He eventually went into the US Military, and was training soldiers how to fight, while there. He had textbook level technique... with fast, fluid, accurate, and powerful attacks. But none of his sportized training, was a match for my fully mastered, WC methods.
When I first started out in WC... I used to use WC more similar to a Karate style. More "Hard" clashing... with an emphasis on superior speed, and brute power. However, I learned quickly that wasnt a good idea... when I sparred against fighters that were nearly or actually 2x my own Mass and Strength. They would stonewall me, or easily Uproot me. And back then... while I thought my punching power was pretty good... It was a mere FRACTION of what I would later develop it too.. using Internal arts training methods. There is no real comparison.
So anyway... Yes, even soft techniques like Tan, Gan, or Kwan, can actually do damages... if you choose to add a little Fajin expression into them. That said... since many of these techs are designed to merely make soft interceptions... where you are unsure of the OPs exact positionings, energy levels, and intentions.. its often that you simply remain relaxed at all times, and not to commit to releasing additional energy (even though, its only a fraction of a second worth of time). Instead, you should focus on Feeling what energy is at play, where its going, and what best to react to it with. Where Fajin expression, is mostly used for Knockouts, or Lethal strikes... after you have already disabled the OPs defenses.
@@johndough8115 I’m usually only called names by women I used to date. Or my mother-in-law. But welcome to the club. As for all your training, my thought is that, despite being ignorant as you say, that your extensive martial art training should have taught you to be respectful too. All that inner power and you’re moved to call people names by a short instructional RUclips video! Wow. I can only imagine what you could do if you’re, say, cut off in traffic. Or if the barista loses your order. That’s a lot of power you’ve developed only to have a short fuse. I pray for the poor unsuspecting rubes who live nearby. Anyway, thanks for the long reply and best of luck with all that. 😎
@@JKDandWingChun Calling someone Ignorant, isnt calling them a "Name". Its a statement of factual behavior. Its speaking to a lack of depth of knowledge... and often, a WILLFULL lack of knowledge. If you are upset at this being revealed... then you are the one whom is Internally Weak, in Spirit.
Its also not really being Disrespectful. Its just being brashly honest. If I wanted to actually be Disrespectful... trust me, there are FAR worse things that people can and do say... that involve personal attacks... such as about a persons looks, personality, using a ton of cursing.. etc.
As for my so called "Short Fuse".. you couldnt be more Wrong in your ASSUMPTIONS. It takes a LOT to anger me, and its extremely rare that Ive ever been pushed to the point, where I even have the desire to physically fight. In the two instances where I had to fight for real.. it was because these fools decided to physically attack me first. I dealt with them, with fair ease.. using minimal use of force. One of them apologized, shook my hand, and sort of became a friend, after the exchange.
Long before I studied any martial arts... I had spent 3 years, going on the path of Higher Enlightenment. Every day, I was doing one hour long, silent meditation sessions. Sometimes, two sessions per night. At that pace, I developed the "Quiet Mind" state, in about 3 months time. The process changed me internally, for the better, in many ways. I came from a very abusive home... both physically, and psychologically. I used to hate life, and I hated myself. I had a very darkly veiled conception of the world.. and of others around me. But eventually, all of that was washed away, as my consciousness expanded, and I was enlightened and empowered by the light and love of G0d.
But all of that said... it does not mean, that I cant, or shouldnt be "Critical" and Passionate about certain things. The arts are especially something to be Critical about.. because if they are performed incorrectly... it can result in tragedy. Either getting severe injuries, or worse.. being carried away in a body bag. It does not help... that there are many whom are corrupting the Ancient arts... often INTENTIONALLY... because they (the "ELITE" ) do not want such knowledge, in the hands of the "Slave-Class". They want to always maintain an Iron Grip of control, over the masses. They do not want any chance of rebellions... which.. is why most modern arts today... have long since been corrupted by "Sportization" (on top of other Key knowledge being removed, and or distorted / corrupted).
Funny thing that you mention short fuses... As JKD was the product of a man who DID have a VERY short fuse. Bruce Lee was known for intentionally staring fights in Hong Kong... and beating men up so badly, that they had to be hospitalized. Its one of the main reasons, why his parents shipped him over to the USA... as Lee has badly beaten a Triad gang members son... and they expected retribution.
In fact Lee was also kicked out of Yipmans school... for a combination of toxic and selfish behaviors. Lee was known to be Bullying the other students.. using way too much power on them. But what ultimately got him booted, was when he stood outside of the school.. and told every student that Yipman was sick.. so classed were canceled... just so that he could get a Private session with Yipman. Not sure if it only happened once, or a few times.. but when the students learned of Lees Lies... they all banded together, and told Yipman that either Lee is Booted.. or that they all would Quit.
There were a few other stories about Lee in HK. One was that Lee used to dress up in very Old Style Chinese clothing... to intentionally provoke others into making fun of him... so that he could end up fighting and beating them down. Another, was when he was going around, challenging other Chinese teachers... to barefist fights. He managed to break one of these teachers arms, as a result.
But hey... My response, has nothing to do with a personal attack.. nor to go in depth about Lee. Its merely to reveal some higher truths about the arts, to the benefit of ALL whom read it. Especially those that are spreading incorrect / bad knowledge, and or incorrect / bad assumptions.
I think you need to develop much Thicker Skin, if being called Ignorant.. is something that effects you so easily, and so deeply.
@@johndough8115 your sense of humor shines through, my friend. Best wishes with your future and all endeavors.
@@johndough8115his “teacher” is that Tony Massengill guy so thick skin runs in the lineage. (Thick head as well). Best wishes for your training @johndough8115, you are certainly in the know.
Wing chun works great when you're doing your moves on a wooden dummy, that's about it. Saying it as someone who actually practised wing chun for years.
Have you used any wing chun in a street fight against someone who wants to hurt you bad, Jason?
I used to spar using Wing Chun... Regularly, against fighters of all different arts, including: MMA, Muay Thai, TKD, Various Karate (including Kyokushin), Kook, Sul Wan, Capoeira, Mantis, Eagle Claw, Northern Shaolin, Wudang, Western Boxers, Kickboxers, and a few others.
Ive had two physical "encounters", at the same Night Club. One Narcissist bully that tried to Grasp my wrist... and One Karate practitioner that started throwing a series of barefist punches at me. I dealt with both, easily, and quickly, with minimal use of force.
In fact, many of the guys I used to spar, were often nearly 2x my own mass and strength. One of them had a room full of 1st and 2nd place trophies, from winning full contact competition events. Didnt stop me from severely outclassing him. One day he severely disrespected me, calling me and my art "Sh*T"... So I gave him a small taste of what I was always previously holding back: An oblique kick to his lead legs knee... using only about 10% on that kick. That resulting in a severe injury, which took a month for him to fully recover from.
Wing Chun is not much different from any other art... in the respect that if you are not in good shape, and have never fully mastered any of it (including sparring regularly outside of classes, against other arts)... then you are going to be a Garbage tier fighter.
Let me guess. You trained a max of 3 days a week... with 1 hr long classes... never training outside of classes... and never really sparred many, if any?
I was training 7 days a week, 365 days a year, for a solid 5 years, before I eased up. Each day, I put in anywhere from 4 to +8hrs of hardcore / maximum intensity. I also did a daily 1hr long, hardcore "CORE" workout routine. I also cross trained in other arts methods, such as the kicks of TKD / Muay Thai / Shaolin / Wushu, and Western Boxing strikes ..etc. (I really didnt use these methods when I sparred... but being well aware and capable of them... made me better understand how to best and most realistically, defend against them). I also did regular "Iron Body" conditioning.. to harden my entire body... including soft tissue areas, like the Throat. As well as toughening the Fingers, and Toes... so as to be used as very effective attacking tools, without the chance of breaking them.
I believe I didnt start sparring, until after my first year worth of training. Then I bought myself a set of gear, and attended open sparring sessions, at various local martial arts schools. From these, I met many artists, whom Id get contact information from... and Id end up with a ton of different artists to spar against. Typically, Id be sparring almost every weekend, from that point forwards.
Of course, one of the defining moments, was when I figured out WC's Leg Fencing functionality... which I was never officially taught. Id seen some very brief clips on... but had never tried it... until I sparred against a Muay Thai fighter. It took me a few variations, before I figured things out correctly... and after that, none of his kicks were of any use... as I easily Soft-Intercepted and deflected them... then easily counter-kicked with a few chained kicks to his post legs, hip, abdomen ..etc.
And the final crown Jewel... was in developing lethal levels of Short Range power. When I started out.. I barely had reliable KO level forces, from a standard distance WC punch. Much later, I was able to generate KO forces.. but it wasnt always 100% reliable. But after Mastering short range power... I was KO'ing fighters from less than 6 inches of arm travel... using a vertical fist their foreheads. And I never used more than about 15% of what I was capable of delivering, to do it.
My training also involved a lot of specialty work and equipment. I built a 6 section wall mounted sandbag station. A special Kick-Dummy, made of three 7ft tall, 4" diameter, metal poles. A free-hanging bag full of about 15 lbs worth of Steel BBs. A thin and long.. free hanging bag, that had like 6 sand filled ankle-weights stuffed into it.. and everything taped tightly together with Duct Tape... so that the bad was nearly hard as a rock.. for hardening the Shins. There were a few other devices too. I also had a standard kick bag, and a 6ft tall, real leather.. Muay Thai Kick bag.
I also did extensive leg stretching, and was about one inch from being able to do a full split. I was also able to do a single arm cartwheel. Shaolin style Head-Rolls... as well as Hard Front Falls onto Concrete. Additionally.. I made my own Rope Dart, and learned the Basics of it. I also mastered the 9 Section Chinese steel whip chain.
I was not only Block Training... but also... I would be training anywhere, at any time... all of the time. For example... Standing on one leg, while waiting in a long line at the bank / stores. Doing nonstop hand drills, while walking the parking lots, and or in the malls halls. Throwing kicks at high signs, or nearby tree leafs, or Steel / Concrete posts. Id even do various movements, drills, and exercises, at work.. often in the back room... like every 15 minutes, for a 1 to 3 min session. Id put on hard leather bottomed dress shoes on.. and Oblique kick the tree on the front lawn, for 1hr long sessions...every other day (until I had built my metal kick dummy).
I could go on and on.. but the point being... is that I put in so much time and efforts into my 5 years... that I far surpassed all 3 of my former WC teachers in functional combat abilities. By my 3rd year, I was almost untouchable to the local Blackbelt level fighters. And by my 5th year, I was a Masterclass level fighter: Flawless traditional techniques (not looking like a sloppy kickboxer), even under high speed/high stress heavy/full contact sparring, virtually untouchable... except by the some rare high level fighers, whom all had some form of Chinese arts training under them. And Lethal short range Impact potentials, within less than 2 inches of arm travel.
Its like anything in life... If you wanted to be a Professional Chef... and only cooked 2 days a week... you are on the "100 year to Never Plan". Or if you wanted to learn to play an Instrument good enough to be in a professional Band. Or if you wanted to be a Pro Oil painter... capable of matching the Ancient Masters. Each of these things has to be "A Daily Way of LIFE". Otherwise... your results will just be Sub-Par. You wont have developed a proper strong FOUNDATION. And what happens to a Building, that wasnt properly built correctly, and laid on a proper foundation? It easily cracks apart, and or falls over... under any degree of STRESS (be it heavy winds / storms, mild quakes, too much weight inside of it.. or even too much rain, causing the structure to Sink).
Wing Chun is an Extremely effective Art... if you have trained and mastered it. And if you have the properly developed body (core strength is 100% Needed, as is superior Tendon strength, and some minimal Conditioning, like fist.. arm.. and leg conditioning). But like most Chinese arts... its a very challenging process, that most modern people are unwilling to put in the required efforts into, to get anywhere near "Functional". To add to this, there are a lot of corruptions and mistakes... in how this art is supposed to work. But if you have common sense... and you have been sparring for some time... you SHOULD be able to figure out the errors/corruptions, for yourself.
@@johndough8115i love this response. would love to get your advice at some point. cant say I can do all of this but id love to pick your brain
@@adrianvelazquez6085 way more than I should have…but I live in a better neighborhood now. 😎