This was painful to watch. People aren't upset that you decided to get a divorce. They are upset because you both admitted that things were bad for three years and in that three year period you both sold a lie. You sold tickets to a relationship conference sharing your advice for an exceptional relationship. You made money off a podcast sharing relationship advice. Your "exceptional relationship" was part of the brand you were selling. When you make your relationship a product, this has now become a product review (shout out to Savy for this insight). It is so incredibly disrespectful to your fans to call them internet trolls who have spent their time, energy, and MONEY on you and then feel betrayed because you sold them a lie. Even if you believed it yourself, it was still fraudulent. If your relationship was not such a huge pillar of your brand, I 100% believe that this backlash would not be happening. Imagine if a financial coach was found out to be broke or embezzling money. Even if the advice was good, they are still perpetuating a LIE.
Correct B.T.!! I’m glad the smart Women Warriors, are finally blowing down Rachel Hollis’ 6,000 square foot house made of straw...,Or is it her hair extensions?...Eyelashes?? One can’t be sure. 🤔
You can't charge people hundreds to thousands of dollars for your marriage conferences, have a podcast revolve around marriage advice, and basically profit off of your marriage that was actually falling apart for YEARS and then be surprised when people are upset after they find out it's all lies. You can't say you've been truthful and transparent when you've been acting like your marriage is so perfect when you said yourself it's been a struggle for years. Where was the honesty and transparency about that?! I usually love the women of impact podcasts but this was painful to watch. PS: I also feel the same way about Dave.
How many times do we have to say this, Rachel. Nobody is mad at you for getting a divorce. They're mad at you because you essential scammed them by presenting this beautiful, perfect, marriage and charging hundreds of dollars for marriage converses, (Where you essentially act as an unlicense marriage therapist.) When you yourself admit that your marriage was failing for THREE YEARS.
It's so strange and surreal to watch how Rachel presents herself in this video as people "not understanding the big picture" and that "even her closest friends" didn't know. Getting a divorce isn't the problem - it's presenting yourself with your husband as a power couple in the public eye and making TONS of money selling people these "successful, happy couple" images, only to tell us suddenly that it was all fake and just a show. In fact, Dave said they'd been discussing divorce for years...all while hosting retreats for couples and a podcast and doing lives together. It really is an eye-opener about the power (and danger) of PR and branding. With that said, I don't wish Rachel any hate. But I hope she will learn to actually live authentically and step out of the denial she clearly shows in this interview. People feel betrayed not by the ending of their marriage but by the feeling of having been lied to and exploited by the Hollis Co brand of fairy tales.
Well, they were honest about their couple issues before they even moved to Texas. Never said they were therapists they just shared their experiences as partners. The truth is that there are lots of people who believe in everything they find (such as their videos, books and podcasts). We should start looking for advice in the right places, for me, this was just entertaining.
@@lito9878 But the problem is that is was never entertainment. They were not "just sharing their experiences as partners" either. They were both profiting financially off of selling advice and programs to couples. That's the real problem. Anyone can say anything online but it becomes dishonest when you sell one thing and do another.
Maybe people should grow up and not put people in pedestals and believing in fairy tales. Like of course all couples have problems and are trying to make it work everyday. Of course people are broken and trying to be whole everyday. I have not followed them super closely (as you apparently did) but what I did hear from the couple of podcasts and videos I watched were stories about them have issues when they were dating and I am sure they shared their other problems along the way too. You are mad that you were naive. But it’s ok we all do that at times, you don’t need to be angry and hurt.
@@Slipy300000 I'm just upset about them monetizing on it. That's my issue for sure, not about people not being perfect! On a personal level, I feel bad for any couple who splits but I draw the line when you make money off of people who believe in you. In that case, don't monetize.
16 years together with my ex husband. Then divorce with two daughters. Then a pandemic, then a brain aneurysm. Brain surgery, then getting back to surgery table for smother treatment. And unemployment. I am still graceful. I learned to replace my sadness and depression to be happy. And be healthy. You're not the only one getting into rough time. We all are in this together. We can rise up again in another better version of us!
Seizures caused by benzodiazepines doctor prescribed for anxiety ended up causing massive issues. Had to withdrawal (almost died) Had to quit work because health was declining fast. Diagnosis of Lyme disease after organs shutting down and becoming 70lbs within 5 months. Developed severe scoliosis, hair fell out and didn’t have even 1cm of growth for over 2 years, bone marrow issues every physical symptom you can think of. Clotted blood low oxygen no sex hormones, adrenal hormones thyroid hormones etc Boyfriend with me for many years cheats on me,while I couldn’t function and being physical made me bleed. Move back into alcoholic parents home unable to walk. Dad commits suicide, I find him. All with no adrenal hormones. Digestive system entirely shut down relying on enemas for 5 years now 2x a day on the floor. No one came to support me covered in rashes and now teeth degeneration so bad I’m 30 and am hopefully getting dentures soon. only brother not even there for support no calls for 4 years even after knowing ptsd after dad. because he was dealing with divorce and custody of kids since his wife is doing drugs and bringing men who aren’t safe around. Mom and I will be leaving this home soon because we cannot afford it. College degree yet she chooses to work at Walmart. We all have a certain hand dealt. We all have choices. Its not an easy life but I pray after going through hard times we see what’s truly important. Taking what we’ve learned and stand even stronger. ❤️ thank you for sharing your struggles. Feeling alone in suffering is SO hard.
Very similar experience, bad break up and 2 bouts of major surgery in 6 months, single parent to a beautiful teenage girl, practically homeless, unemployed and broke but still grateful and trying hard to move into a better life for us. Good luck to you and your girls Jael!!!! We got this!!!! x
Not everyone who disagrees with you in a comment is an internet troll, Rachel. It really hurts that you see other women like that. Also this: "Rachel explores why some women feel they have the right to tell others how to live their life" is hilarious. What gives Rachel Hollis, a woman with no education, no experience in anything but taking selfies, co-opting slang and hip hop dances, and plagiarizing quotes, the right to tell me how I need to live my life? She needs to take ownership of the fact that ***SHE*** is not the expert. That would be some groundbreaking authenticity right there.
Rachel Hollis: Why would these people believe that they know everything about me? That's so unrealistic.No one knows me. Also Rachel Hollis: Authenticity is so important to me and I'm hurt when people say that I'm not authentic.
Thank you , I agree. I also think its problematic that she tries to create this image of a self made women . All by herself from rags to riches image. She was married to a Disney executive. She doesn't have the same financial pressure like some of the women she is advising. If her business failed it didn't mean she could not feed her family.
Hey, much love, I’m not endorsing nor the opposite here, but what I think people are really upset at, is that they took out cc’s and paid their last dollar, to hear marriage advice that -if followed correctly, I beleive was told, would work to keep any marriage together. So the question/response that’s not being addressed, is just that.
And that does not negate the love I have for Lisa and Tom and other amazing incredible things, and I may be wrong, but I beleive Lisa tried to go there in this interview, and it was sort of taken in a slightly different direction. But that , is I think, what everyone’s upset at, the above scenario, that , I guess is not being addressed or responding to, bc obviously it’s ok to get divorced, or not, and yes let’s all love and support eachother as women💕❤️🙏, but yes the above , is what everyone’s still waiting on, I would think.
Exactly. No one blames her for a divorce. Crap happens. People are asking, what happened *BECAUSE SHE HELD HERSELF OUT TO BE THE EXPERT ON EXCEPTIONAL MARRIAGES* How many of her followers have stayed longer in their unhappy relationships because of her? How many people were beating themselves up because date nights weren't magical for them and they felt like something was wrong with them? If she's so authentic why not have an honest conversation about her advice and expertise and where it went wrong? But she just gets defensive and calls those people names instead of realizing that people are simply looking to her for answers.
legallyblond98 omg yes 🙏❤️and that’s the thing where tf are the answers? Obv, we want her and every woman to be happy, it’s just the nail on the head, that (idk if it’s being purposely?) not addressed. But yes obviously, us women support any woman in their pursuit of happiness, but damn your point of view needs to be looked at just as much. ❤️🙏💕❤️🌅💕
At the end marriage is not always great, it's not. With kids, work, stress etc we get overwhelmed, tired or bored. It's ok :D to be honest on Friday I prefer just watch Netflix on the couch, have glass of wine and fall asleep 🤣 I am really done with artificial dates :p I like my home 🥰 and my hubby as well ;) I love him, I really do. It's just no longer 'creazy in love' stage. Anyway, I don't say, we have best life or exceptional relashionship. It's just good enough ;) good enough to be overall happy and healthy, to raise kids and fell safe and fullfilled. And this we should all remember. Good marriage and good partner is enough. We don't have to have exceptional partner to feel happy. As for her, I don't think she choose consiously when she was 18... She was SOOOO young! She choose status, what is fine with me, but it's not always sustainable enough. I belive they don't match from the beggining. I am sure she truely fought and wanted it to work but in reality, you can't change other person (his/her true nature).
What really upsets me is the all the Smiley this is what's best for MY FAMILY crap . Not an abusive relationship, just one that might deserve some less self serving attention. Maybe I could be HAPPIER kind of self talk. You weren't crazy about when your kids were little ? " liked" them more when YOU could hv a conversation with them ? Of course you did because that made it about YOU 🙃 Your childhood was screwed up you say .. CONGRATULATIONS, You have just given your children, cracks in their foundation, self worth n more . Not an opinion, a STATISTIC. Just quit with the Smiley face, about much this will help everyone become stronger n more authentic... It's all just more lip service to try n justify , your actions. After preaching AGAINST QUITTING You QUIT. You really have no shame You keep Preaching, just new curriculum. Why anyone would $ support you after seeing just how egregious you have been is beyond me
I do feel if you have monetized the status of your marriage as an example to others than you do have a responsibility to the ppl who have invested time&money in ur brand that u do have to be very careful to live your own brand standards, that being said, we are going through the worst time in human history in the last 100yrs and we all need to be more empathetic through honest, authentic,accountable dialogue and level setting expecatations.....
That’s not the issue. She isn’t paying attention. She made that choice to host marriage conferences because it made her money. The conferences stopped and the charade wasn’t necessary or lucrative anymore.
I have stopped reading or listening because the problem isn’t the divorce. It is that your husband said this has been coming for three years and yet you still sold very expensive tickets to marriage conferences. You made money off of faulty advice. That is the problem. Of putting a false reality out there and acting like gurus and charging money for it. Don’t put this on your followers.
I happened upon this video and find it fascinating. You mentioned how you identify (granularly) what it means to be ... 'an exceptional mother, iconic leader,' etc. However you said this about being a wife ... 'an exceptional wife.' Can you help us understand what happened? How did this one break down? In addition, I do believe that it is totally your decision to get a divorce (whether right, wrong, indifferent). However, I think the thing we are still disappointed with is your inability (or choice to not) address the 'thing' people are upset about ... please help us, your followers, understand how you and Dave said you were more in love than ever before, and how great your sex life was (only a month prior to announcing your divorce). There have been several chats about this, as well as the promo for your RISE Together podcast was about you believing with all your life held, that [people] can have an exceptional relationship (because you two did). This is the tough part for people when they trusted what you were saying about you, your family, your marriage, business and all the 'stuff,' and you chose to put this content out to the world, yet not the truth about being close to asking for a divorce. Make sense? We have never heard you validate (important!) and address this. Clearly you can see why people's feathers are ruffled. PLEASE address it honestly and soon ... thanks
I am so glad you were able to get Rachel in to talk to you. I have been a fan of both of y'all for a few years now. I will admit that I totally took the news of her divorce as something out of left field only because of the simple fact that their brand has been greatly based on their family and marriage. So having the marriage go away left me feeling so sad for them. I am sad to hear that she is getting "sinner" backlash from the faith community. As a Christian I know that divorce can and still does happen and no judgment. It is painful and her family is hurting. I cannot imagine how inauthentic she must have been feeling all this time leading up to the divorce. Day after day saying she was authentic but knowing her marriage was falling apart behind closed doors. So much unseen pain. No one can keep going on like that. I can understand the other side too how her fans felt betrayed with her marriage being such a huge part of her brand and business. I am just trying to say can see both sides. Her feeling attacked by her followers and her followers feeling like they were lied to. It is such a tough situation. I am praying for her family. 💛 I cannot imagine how incredibly difficult this would be to go through in the public eye. I hope she and her family are able to rebuild and move forward. I am sure she will find a new tribe even if her former one were to fall apart. She is very resilient! Best wishes Rachel. Thanks for the very vulnerable interview Lisa. 💛
Not a fan but I gave it a listen anyway. I think her husband puts out more useful content then she does which makes me wonder who is the powerhouse in this Hollis business. Honestly she has always come across as inauthentic to me. I’m glad she’s been successful, I’m not into watching her burn for all this but just not someone I’ve ever connected with.
Deep Sadness for someone that just chooses to quit (unless it was due to abuse, betrayal etc.) knowing the utter destruction it will do to others. My husband of 29 years walked away because "he needed to be his authentic self". Chasing authenticity as a means to justify selfish behaviors reveals one's true colors. One can pursue authenticity without quitting. Perseverance produces character. BTW Here's some advice from an older woman in her 50's, professional educator and mom to 5 children ,who never had a nanny or materialistic things: Run from your own advice; real happiness is not found in chasing the American dream. It is the simple things that bring joy. Stop preaching and start "being".
As beings, men or women, we are here to build each other up, not tear each other down. We all do things that others don't like, it takes courage to share that. We are only doing our best. She says she would rather be authentic than anything anybody else would have her be. Respect for that. Our own perspectives are just that
I have to admit that I unfollowed Rachel after the divorce announcement. Earlier this year I was listening to ‘Girl Wash Your Face’ and the part where Dave came back for her and knocked on the door made me cry like a baby. It was beautiful to see people put their best effort into a relationship and put all the love into their children. I unfollowed because I just couldn’t read the “divorce” talk anymore and see the pictures of broken hearted people. Being alone in 2020 is probably the worst experience and from a woman who left her life long term boyfriend for my “dreams” knows the deep feeling of regret. He wasn’t perfect but he was perfect for me and I was to selfish to see that.
Loved this episode Thanks for your authenticity It’s not always the version people think is true but it’s true because you’re living it. So much power in this, I pray you’ve found peace in your family and your go-parenting is going well. THANK YOU ❤️
I think people are more annoyed about profiting off relationship advice while not having a stable relationship. This can be taken in many ways. Please don't blame being a woman, etc... Though . People should keep relationships more private because of this. You made money off of that advice and people can't trust that content after this.
This is so amazing! I love the real conversation here. Much love to Rachel and blessings. Thank you Lisa for bringing this real conversation. This is the real stuff we need to be talking about. Bravo!
Everyone read the book “ When People Are Big and God is Small” by Edward T. Welch and focus on your own heart :) Rachel is not fake just because the true goodness in her marriage was presented as it truly was in those moments. She also is not required to blast her entire personal marriage that is private between her and her husband especially when they have children. People just formulated their own story about the parts of her life they loved watching and bashing her is pointless - she’s amazing ! 💛💛🙏🏽🙏🏽 who are you trying to please? Others or God? People pleasing is perhaps the most tragic form of the fear of man - as the book states. Ask ourselves if we feel worthless because someone else is withholding the acceptance, love, or significance we want from them. Just because another person cannot give us what we need or deserve does not have anything to do with our worth! We are worth it! Someone’s inability to know or see our worth does NOT decrease our value. 🙏🏽💛🌻
Thank you for this kind and thoughtful comment toward Rachel, I have learned that no matter what you're looking at it's still not what's really going on. You can't speak on a situation or circumstance unless you are in that person's shoes feeling their emptiness, and many emotions. Have a good one, Thank you carry on.
Funny I wasn’t a fan of Rachel’s before her divorce etc. and now I have mad respect. As a divorced woman myself I know the courage it takes to make such a huge life decision. Well done, Lisa! You have a new follower, Rachel. 💕
I'm strongly against telling people what to do but Rachel can't be surprised that women asked her: "Are you sure that you want to get divorced?" after she was presenting her marriage in a certain way. It's not "how people perceived you", it's how you showed up. I followed Rachel on IG and I remember "Thursday dates", and there was nothing about arguments or doubts, so please don't put it on women. Yes, we love to tell people how to live, but Rachel put everything on display, and that display was not that authentic after all, so women react and have the right to be disappointed. I follow you Lisa and Tom, and it would the same if you guys suddenly said: "We're getting a divorce" after all your posts how great your marriage was. If you put your business out, don't be surprised that people will be in your business. Rachel said she was always her authentic self, was she?
It takes courage and self love to be true to yourself, as well as to your fans, to talk about such a huge life changing choice. It doesn't matter if it is Rachel, who is popular, idolized, and a famous role model, or if it is a mom who works at a fast food restaurant with two other jobs, this is their life and they only get one like everyone else. We are all human and no one knows anyone else's true story besides them self, the other partner and God. We all don't go into a marriage planning on getting a divorce. Sometimes life and relationships do not work out like we planned it to. Who cares if Rachel and Dave were considering a divorce while on stage speaking about how to make a marriage work, that is the best time to learn the do's and don'ts. For all we know, they could have been doing the best they could to make it work during that time. If anything, Rachel has wisdom on what will help a marriage and what will not. "You can't beat a dead horse." A marriage won't work in a healthy way if it's always a one way street. But for her and any woman or man to be truthful to them self takes pure courage, truth and authenticity. Yes, people give up on their marriage a lot easier in today's society but even 30, 50 and 100 years ago when most marriages lasted, doesn't always mean their marriage was faithful and true to each other.Therefore, the only one's who know the true in's and out's of their marriage is them self, their partner and God. A marriage only works when both individuals work together; a marriage cannot work if only one is giving the effort and the other is not. I am sure they did the best they could. I will not judge Rachel or any other couple's decision of marriage or divorce because at the end of the day, they have to live with their choices and no one will completely understand their struggles. I have the respect for Rachel that she is being honest to herself and to her fans. I do not know her and Dave's life experiences and I never will because I am not living in their shoes and neither is no one else. Even if her fans do not agree, given her negative/nasty comments, or if this has caused her to lose fans. She's human, your human, I am human. No one is perfect. Having true and understanding fans is the only fans you need anyways. Best wishes and prayers to Rachel, Dave and their family.
You nailed it. Loved how you have seen it in the light of things that things are not perfect and they never were even 100 yr back- but how the expectations have made us call it quits, made us judgemental and quick to express our opinions. Please do write more often- your writing shows both wisdom and pragmatism.
Love Rachel Hollis no matter what. People can hate on her all they want. None of them are a part of the marriage, even though they thought they were. Divorce isn't easy, especially when you have to do it all in the public eye.
I can't believe that you would even bring her on after she scammed her fans. I am unsubscribing. P.s. Don't think we don't notice your only hearing the postive comments and not addressing the Critical ones.
This was interesting- I much prefer Toms interview style because he’s not such a kiss ass - he certainly wouldn’t continually praise anyone who was currently going through so much drama in the public eye - since it’s not very respectful to the 1000’s of women who feel lied to by Rachel. I’ve never been a fan but no one cares about you going through a divorce- they care that you sold them -literally - on how great your marriage was - apparently as recent as last year? $1700 for a couple retreat on how to get what you two had? Oh I’d be SO pissed! And now to try to shame those women after you’ve disappointed them & taken their money? Just wow...
These days, it takes courage to be true to yourself. As long as we live, people will always judge, regardless of right or wrong decisions. Only few to none will understand your struggle. At this stage, I just want to be at peace with the Lord and myself.
Thank you for this medicine. I am so incredibly grateful to be at a higher state of consciousness to be able to digest this conversation and the other one that Rachel had with time. I have learned so much from it and it is helping me heal from my trauma. You make me realize that it is OK to just simply be me in on it. If I make people uncomfortable on the way that is their shit not mine
The motherhood thing sounds so familiar. I felt, many times, that I wasn't meant to be a mom. When I was surprised by getting pregnant at 18, I didn't want to be a mom and I hoped for a miscarriage. I struggled so long not being "good enough" as a mom. My son is 19 now and I finally like being his mom. I love that you shared that part of your story.
I applaud Rachel for having the courage to be true to herself. Why does anyone have the right to judge? If this interview triggered anyone they should ask themselves what part of themselves is not free? Lisa, I’ve always admired you in many ways💝 I don’t believe women have to agree on everything to mutually respect one another. Keep your vibration high ladies, it’s the only way to ascend!
@@LisaBilyeu You disgust me. You're applauding Rachel Hollis for knowingly ripping people off by charging $1700 per couple for relationship retreats based on a lie. You're a disgrace and so is Women of Impact.
I have an issue with Rachel, I like her because of her wisdom and her tenacity but the divorce (it's not that the divorce itself but the implications of it) always makes me wonder which parts of this interview where she being 'unauthentic' a bit. Regardless, overall, I enjoy this interview, I empathize with her although I doubt some of her stories. Btw, Lisa and Rachel have a beautiful friendship. By doing this interview Lisa allowing Rachel to express some of her thoughts. It's wonderful to see a woman of success cheering another woman like this ✔
People have it so twisted what it means to be authentic; you can be authentic and have problems and really want to work through those problems and speak positive about (the rest of) your life (not your problems) AND you can be authentic in those same problems and come to the conclusion that it’s not going to work out and end it. I’m shocked that especially women, forget ALL the relationships we’ve hung on to hoping it would get better and it just doesn’t so we come to the painful conclusion that it must end
This is incredible you are so grown and thoughtful!!! Please stay strong! There are many women benefits from this!!! Thank you for being honest and truthful!!!
Ladies, the answer to your question about why other women attack when you make a life changing decision is that your action threatens the tightly held belief that they cannot make that same decision. They trap themselves in a prison of "shoulds" and rules that they then project onto you. When you chose to get divorced you broke the sacred contract they had placed on you to reinforce their prison walls. Since I you broke down yours, they have to attack you to defend their ability to uphold theirs. What if the lies they tell themselves about what is not possible for them are wrong? What if they could live a different live and are in fact creating their own prison? What if they are wrong? What if they actually allowed themselves to dream beyond the bars? Nope. Its too much to handle. Must minimize your choice to not be tempted to believe it is possible for me too.
Natalie Rivera Yaaaa. Nooooo....that’s not it. Women are stronger than the toxic positivity Rach is sell-ING. This type of created imperfection, woo-woo, rah-rah, oooh, I’m such a badass is 100% fake. Terrible for all women, especially young women, to latch onto this fake idea. Dive into her problematic plagerizim, her Trump loving followers, her MLM support. Her Hero is Tony Robbins (sexual assault-er). Enough said. Reach for more ladies!
It’s perfectly fine to get a divorce. I think people are mad because she sold very expensive marriage courses, based not on credentials but on her own successful marriage. She didn’t mention they had any problems while they sold them, her main point was “buy my course and your marriage will look like ours”. Now they are getting divorced and people are upset because they paid for advice based on her personal experience. She is not a therapist or a councilor, she taught what she was doing herself and what proved to not be very effective. People feel scammed, it’s about the money, not her personal choices.
I almost stopped watching because using "girl" and "fricking" so much does not fit my standard for Women of Impact. So annoying and unprofessional Ladies
Thank you Lisa for another powerful show!!!❤ And thank you Rachel for sharing your story. Your experience is a source of strength for me and for many people out there who will probably never get a chance to tell you how what you've shared has helped them break free from and rise through excruciating pain and depression. There are many broken people in the world who are beating themselves up every single moment of every single day and are even considering giving up their lives because they are not other people's version of 'perfect' and are therefore in those people's eyes and now in theirs 'unworthy'. Those people are being healed right now by your honesty and are DECIDING to get through one more minute today FOR THEMSELVES because they are seeing you go through one more minute today FOR YOURSELF. Thank You and may God bless you.
Devil's advocate: She probably spent a few years in turmoil trying to make sense of it all and figuring out the best way to be her authentic self and divorce Dave while trying to appease her team, audience, family, etc. I genuinely don't think there was malice in her intention. She's obviously learned a lesson in all this and is trying to create from her experiences. Give her a fucking break!
This is my story!! No anxiety but my head was in the sand which lead to real thoughts of suicide....finally realizing I needed to leave my 28 year marriage...such a HUGE issue in the Bible belt/homeschool belt. Im truly alone now...(my parents are really stepping up) but talk about 'I choose LIFE' I have chosen life...MY LIFE!! The great thing is I know my life is gonna be in print someday and serve to help others..I knew it was coming the day I spoke to the divorce attorney...it still hasn't happened but its coming!! Im so grateful for this encouragement 💓 💗!!
I’ve been there and in those moments when everything was grey I used it to exercise and grow continued schooling and it really helped me I took care of myself instead of feeling sorry!! It’s not easy when the will isn’t there but possible when you dare yoursel!!
wow, people are so upset calling her a fraud. yet nothing is gauranteed in life though, and people change. we only have control over ourselves and if her relationship changed it wasn't her fault. if she tried to work on saving her marriage, at least she tried. everything we buy in life comes with the understanding that there's a possiblity that it may break or not work. she might've just sold the advice/program withouth involving her personal marriage as proof that her advice 'works'. her marriage should've been kept private out of all of this chaos...maybe that's why it failed because so many people had opinions about it. feel really sorry that her marriage became a victim of social media.
While Rachel’s authenticity advocacy and girlboss attitude is generally a positive concept, it’s hard to swallow when she herself has plagiarized multiple people and scammed couples when she herself was in a broken relationship. That’s just the tip of the iceberg of this women’s inauthenticity and fake transparency. I do not believe she is remorseful for her actions as she deflects accountability nor do I think she cares about the wellbeing of other women. I’m very disappointed that she was asked to talk on Women of Impact.
The amount of negative comment and feedback to this interview of a woman who is being so transparent about an extremely sore and hella rocky phase in her life. Whatever you think about her is none of her business. But it is YOUR business to work on your own pain and suffering because clearly you have much work undone on yourself being that you criticise her so brutally. I love her openness and her ability to express herself when you can clearly see the pain and sadness behind her eyes. I don’t know if id make it out of bed in her situation with the eyes she has on her, let alone put make up on and do an interview. That takes guts! Real frikin guts! She is mastering herself and her emotions. Hats off to her 👏🏻💖🙏🏻 xxx
Girl how can she support when 70% of her audience are Trump supporters. Go lookon the instagram post where she said go vote, it was 80% Trump supporters.
I'm confused...she speaks about her support of it in her most recent book? And she did on her Instagram? Don't get me wrong I'm sure it was very minimal compared to what she could have done but she's never said she doesn't support it...?
Again, this is just so powerful! Thank you Rachel for going against the grain and being authentic and honest! I am sending you a huge hug and am so grateful that you speak up!!!
People seem really harsh and judgemental about the fact she got a divorce just because she gave marriage counseling. Anyone who's been married should know it's tough to respect the privacy of your marriage during hard times and nobody talks about how terrible it is behind closed doors and it's especially tough if you are in the public eye. You think your just going through a rough patch but you think I'll be hopeful and keep plodding through but then your spirit keeps hitting a wall and you realize your human and the other person is human and that means sometimes things need to end for your sanity. I'm in that situation now and I respect and understand where she's coming from. If you were a fan and felt let down you need to accept disappointment is a part of life and if you were greatly affected by her personal life that says a lot about you. Maybe she filled some void you had, but only God can and should do that, and that's who you should put your faith in.✌️
This person seems to care more about defending /perpetrating her personal financial success or her own point of view, rather than truly helping others, a lot of what she says seems VERY self absorbed ,rather than helpful and enlightening. Count the sheer volume of times she says I or me . Wow. I’ve never heard this person speak before but, ouch. It’s cringey at best. ..
Why would you have a known plagiarizer, fraudulent business person, discredited author, and someone who does not speak out or support BLM, on your show? So disappointed!!!!
I'm not really familiar with this author, but what does BLM have to do with this? Does she also talk about social-political issues on top of relationship stuff?
I have wanted to say this and maybe Rachel will never read it but i remember this moment where i heard Rachel speak in this tone tone this sort of sing songy tone so to speak that was the exact same way that Dave her husband spoke and it really really bothered me and for some reason i just could not shake this annoyance by it and i kept wondering why it bothered me so much. It occurred to me one day why: it bothered me because it made it feel like It is such a small space space for women to shine and make it ( as women as entrepreneurs and coaches etc) and when i heard her now started to sound like her husband it was like he had taken that away from her in a way when this was her thing that she built and now she was starting to sound like him, i lost a little respect for her and just felt this disapointment for a while. Hard to articulate what i mean but i just felt like it made her shrink! Glad she is back and stronger than ever and it’s ALL RACHEL:)
At the end of the day people love a "MONSTER". When someone people love and respect fail their expectations all hell breaks loose. The most powerful thing about this interview is that when you walk in your purpose your greatest attack will always be to CRUSH or DERAIL WHO you are and WHAT you were created to do on this earth. I would rather see someone going through real things and just be open about it then live a lie. I guess it's just the difference's in perspective. LOVE THIS SHOW AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS BEHIND!!!!
What people don’t understand is that it is ultra difficult to be the person who has to make the decision. None us know what is happening in someone else’s house, we barely know what’s truly happening in our own. I applaud Rachel for being the honest with herself and make the hard decision. Sending lots of love to you both beautiful and authentic women! ❤️🤗
I swear this podcast was meant for me. Now discovered you both and you are such amazing women! I understand everything Rachel said from not feeling like you’re good at motherhood to young kids and people not having any idea what’s happening off of social media in your private life because no one needs to see your struggles or know intimate details. You aren’t being a hypocrite for helping others, God knows how much you’ve been trying and beating yourself up about not living up to what people expect and want from you. But it’s your life to live, your happiness. I’m in a similar situation as you are too. I’ve been searching for like minded women like you and you ladies have no idea how much comfort your words and your determination pushes me to keep going forward. It’s like my little circle of friends that I need to keep going. ❤️
I don't know all the details of her work, but I respect that she never let go of her vision. The ability to daydream and visualize is powerful and her manifestations speak to her ability to create her dreams.
Working through a dark place in your relationship? Did you get Intensive therapy? What is it that you want from a relationship? You will not change them, you can only change yourself. Is this the way to finally work through the insecurities of your younger years? Divorce is the solution?
These two people are incredible as individuals. I didn't resonate with Dave Hollis until I heard him interviewed alone and read his book. He's solid and warm and wise in his own way. Everything they did was a legit effort to make a solid life as a couple, as parents, and as business partners. I think the people who don't understand their decision and are being harsh on them prefer to live in a black and white world. Life isn't that simple. They weren't happy. They have the right to choose what will give them hope and a sense of the future in a way that looks brighter. Sending blessings and Love to them and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes from Rachel as a result of this giant trauma. 'Cause yeah, that's what divorce is. And the impact on kids is well beyond what people understand. I'm sure they'll be great co-parents but it IS a TOUGH road...or at least CAN be.
This is my first time watching Lisa Biliyeu; is she always this insufferable? Also Rachel no one cares you got a divorce girl. We cared you kept a facade going and profited off it. Can we stop with the gaslighting and victimizing yourself pretty please?
Loved this interview so much. I am a big Rachel Hollis fan - ‘discovering’ her work almost 3 years ago in Girl, Wash Your Face changed my whole life trajectory because it really opened the world of personal development to me. I loved Lisa’s interview questions and how she guided the conversation. Thank you so much to both Lisa and Rachel. I hope the link can be shared in the Made for More community - I really think they will benefit from seeing this session.
I totally disagree with all the thumbs down-ers. The relationship advice they offered works if both people work it. They - as a couple - have the right to change course and make new decisions. People can judge but that doesn't even matter. The judgment just sits in the person who is judging's heart. The couple divorcing still has the right to make their own individual choices.
When I saw Rachel Hollis it made my heart jump! 2 of the women that I love so much together 🌹🌹 Thank you for doing this show!!! TY Rachel for speaking on looking back and realizing that it was hard being a Mom when your kids were little. That healed me so much just knowing you felt that way too. One of my biggest regrets is (though I loved my kids younger IMMENSELY and we had great fun and love together) There were so many days that I know that I could have been a much better Mom to them. The Mom I wanted to be! I was struggling with not feeling like a whole person (in fact I was pretty broken!) and just wanted to get through the days so many times.
Love this!! I’ve been following the both of you for sometime now and it’s amazing to see you come together!! Can’t wait for the new book Rachel!! Keep going after your dreams!! 🌟🎉🙌🔥💪
Thank you for sharing and I’m so sorry you are going through this pain. I’ve been through a divorce and it is so hard. Praying for you and your family 🙏🏼❤️🤗
This was such an AMAZING interview. God bless you Warrior Rachel as you continue to live out your life the way God is calling you to. There were sooooo many amazing points. I loved every single second of it. Awesome, awesome, awesome interview Lisa!!!
I just woke up from a dream where I was back in high school and it was the first day of basketball practice. Unfortunately I brought my present day injured leg with me so I was all bound with surgical tape. It was wild! I'm understanding the symbolism behind it all😥 Now I'm AWAKE and this video was much needed. I'm an athlete dealing with a permanent injury, a pandemic, and unemployment. Thank you so much ladies🙏🏽🙏🏽 NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE
Ayyy Jester Dazed So glad you got something from this episode. Keep going lovely. Life is challenging in so many ways. One step in front of the other (and sometimes several back), but face forward ❤️❤️
This has definitely described my life . Even though my turn (traumatic experience)in life happened in2018. This year really tested my strength and my love for my life. Holding it together has happened by listening to videos like this. Love you Lovely Ladies.
I applaud your truth sharing, vulnerability in trying times, and believe me people will still question you..why, how can you..and it's still your truth verses their presumptions which noone can live under that. I'm also divorced, single Warrior Mom to a son, and people still ask 17 years later, you never hear from your ex ever? So you will live your next chapter, but there may be some who want to stay stuck in the old chapters,..write your life story, and make it great;))
Love it Lisa❤️ thanks for creating this session!🙏 Rachel, I admire you for being you and showing the natural and beautiful you. Totally relatable. Loads of love!! ❤️
Rachel is only human and she’s more empowered than most people I can think of. Sure she could have done some things differently but so could many of us. Love to you Rachel 💕
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This was painful to watch. People aren't upset that you decided to get a divorce. They are upset because you both admitted that things were bad for three years and in that three year period you both sold a lie. You sold tickets to a relationship conference sharing your advice for an exceptional relationship. You made money off a podcast sharing relationship advice. Your "exceptional relationship" was part of the brand you were selling. When you make your relationship a product, this has now become a product review (shout out to Savy for this insight). It is so incredibly disrespectful to your fans to call them internet trolls who have spent their time, energy, and MONEY on you and then feel betrayed because you sold them a lie. Even if you believed it yourself, it was still fraudulent. If your relationship was not such a huge pillar of your brand, I 100% believe that this backlash would not be happening. Imagine if a financial coach was found out to be broke or embezzling money. Even if the advice was good, they are still perpetuating a LIE.
Brittanny Taylor totally agree with you on this
Exactly.
Amen
Spot on. She’s a fraud.
Correct B.T.!! I’m glad the smart Women Warriors, are finally blowing down Rachel Hollis’ 6,000 square foot house made of straw...,Or is it her hair extensions?...Eyelashes?? One can’t be sure. 🤔
You can't charge people hundreds to thousands of dollars for your marriage conferences, have a podcast revolve around marriage advice, and basically profit off of your marriage that was actually falling apart for YEARS and then be surprised when people are upset after they find out it's all lies. You can't say you've been truthful and transparent when you've been acting like your marriage is so perfect when you said yourself it's been a struggle for years. Where was the honesty and transparency about that?! I usually love the women of impact podcasts but this was painful to watch. PS: I also feel the same way about Dave.
THIS^^^^^^
How many times do we have to say this, Rachel. Nobody is mad at you for getting a divorce. They're mad at you because you essential scammed them by presenting this beautiful, perfect, marriage and charging hundreds of dollars for marriage converses, (Where you essentially act as an unlicense marriage therapist.) When you yourself admit that your marriage was failing for THREE YEARS.
Every time Rachel says “season,” “show up,“ “dream,” and “authentic” take a drink.
It's so strange and surreal to watch how Rachel presents herself in this video as people "not understanding the big picture" and that "even her closest friends" didn't know. Getting a divorce isn't the problem - it's presenting yourself with your husband as a power couple in the public eye and making TONS of money selling people these "successful, happy couple" images, only to tell us suddenly that it was all fake and just a show. In fact, Dave said they'd been discussing divorce for years...all while hosting retreats for couples and a podcast and doing lives together. It really is an eye-opener about the power (and danger) of PR and branding. With that said, I don't wish Rachel any hate. But I hope she will learn to actually live authentically and step out of the denial she clearly shows in this interview. People feel betrayed not by the ending of their marriage but by the feeling of having been lied to and exploited by the Hollis Co brand of fairy tales.
Well, they were honest about their couple issues before they even moved to Texas. Never said they were therapists they just shared their experiences as partners. The truth is that there are lots of people who believe in everything they find (such as their videos, books and podcasts). We should start looking for advice in the right places, for me, this was just entertaining.
@@lito9878 But the problem is that is was never entertainment. They were not "just sharing their experiences as partners" either. They were both profiting financially off of selling advice and programs to couples. That's the real problem. Anyone can say anything online but it becomes dishonest when you sell one thing and do another.
Maybe people should grow up and not put people in pedestals and believing in fairy tales. Like of course all couples have problems and are trying to make it work everyday. Of course people are broken and trying to be whole everyday. I have not followed them super closely (as you apparently did) but what I did hear from the couple of podcasts and videos I watched were stories about them have issues when they were dating and I am sure they shared their other problems along the way too. You are mad that you were naive. But it’s ok we all do that at times, you don’t need to be angry and hurt.
@@Slipy300000 I'm just upset about them monetizing on it. That's my issue for sure, not about people not being perfect! On a personal level, I feel bad for any couple who splits but I draw the line when you make money off of people who believe in you. In that case, don't monetize.
16 years together with my ex husband.
Then divorce with two daughters.
Then a pandemic, then a brain aneurysm.
Brain surgery, then getting back to surgery table for smother treatment.
And unemployment.
I am still graceful.
I learned to replace my sadness and depression to be happy.
And be healthy.
You're not the only one getting into rough time.
We all are in this together.
We can rise up again in another better version of us!
Seizures caused by benzodiazepines doctor prescribed for anxiety ended up causing massive issues. Had to withdrawal (almost died)
Had to quit work because health was declining fast.
Diagnosis of Lyme disease after organs shutting down and becoming 70lbs within 5 months.
Developed severe scoliosis, hair fell out and didn’t have even 1cm of growth for over 2 years, bone marrow issues every physical symptom you can think of. Clotted blood low oxygen no sex hormones, adrenal hormones thyroid hormones etc
Boyfriend with me for many years cheats on me,while I couldn’t function and being physical made me bleed.
Move back into alcoholic parents home unable to walk.
Dad commits suicide, I find him. All with no adrenal hormones. Digestive system entirely shut down relying on enemas for 5 years now 2x a day on the floor. No one came to support me covered in rashes and now teeth degeneration so bad I’m 30 and am hopefully getting dentures soon. only brother not even there for support no calls for 4 years even after knowing ptsd after dad. because he was dealing with divorce and custody of kids since his wife is doing drugs and bringing men who aren’t safe around.
Mom and I will be leaving this home soon because we cannot afford it. College degree yet she chooses to work at Walmart.
We all have a certain hand dealt. We all have choices. Its not an easy life but I pray after going through hard times we see what’s truly important. Taking what we’ve learned and stand even stronger. ❤️ thank you for sharing your struggles.
Feeling alone in suffering is SO hard.
I send you all the love and hugs. Take it one day at a time.
Very similar experience, bad break up and 2 bouts of major surgery in 6 months, single parent to a beautiful teenage girl, practically homeless, unemployed and broke but still grateful and trying hard to move into a better life for us. Good luck to you and your girls Jael!!!! We got this!!!! x
Not everyone who disagrees with you in a comment is an internet troll, Rachel. It really hurts that you see other women like that.
Also this: "Rachel explores why some women feel they have the right to tell others how to live their life" is hilarious. What gives Rachel Hollis, a woman with no education, no experience in anything but taking selfies, co-opting slang and hip hop dances, and plagiarizing quotes, the right to tell me how I need to live my life? She needs to take ownership of the fact that ***SHE*** is not the expert. That would be some groundbreaking authenticity right there.
Rachel Hollis: Why would these people believe that they know everything about me? That's so unrealistic.No one knows me.
Also Rachel Hollis: Authenticity is so important to me and I'm hurt when people say that I'm not authentic.
Thank you , I agree. I also think its problematic that she tries to create this image of a self made women . All by herself from rags to riches image. She was married to a Disney executive. She doesn't have the same financial pressure like some of the women she is advising. If her business failed it didn't mean she could not feed her family.
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Can’t believe this lady has found a way to monetise her divorce. No respect but an amazement at such shrewd business sense.
Hey, much love, I’m not endorsing nor the opposite here, but what I think people are really upset at, is that they took out cc’s and paid their last dollar, to hear marriage advice that -if followed correctly, I beleive was told, would work to keep any marriage together. So the question/response that’s not being addressed, is just that.
And that does not negate the love I have for Lisa and Tom and other amazing incredible things, and I may be wrong, but I beleive Lisa tried to go there in this interview, and it was sort of taken in a slightly different direction. But that , is I think, what everyone’s upset at, the above scenario, that , I guess is not being addressed or responding to, bc obviously it’s ok to get divorced, or not, and yes let’s all love and support eachother as women💕❤️🙏, but yes the above , is what everyone’s still waiting on, I would think.
Exactly. No one blames her for a divorce. Crap happens. People are asking, what happened *BECAUSE SHE HELD HERSELF OUT TO BE THE EXPERT ON EXCEPTIONAL MARRIAGES* How many of her followers have stayed longer in their unhappy relationships because of her? How many people were beating themselves up because date nights weren't magical for them and they felt like something was wrong with them? If she's so authentic why not have an honest conversation about her advice and expertise and where it went wrong? But she just gets defensive and calls those people names instead of realizing that people are simply looking to her for answers.
legallyblond98 omg yes 🙏❤️and that’s the thing where tf are the answers? Obv, we want her and every woman to be happy, it’s just the nail on the head, that (idk if it’s being purposely?) not addressed. But yes obviously, us women support any woman in their pursuit of happiness, but damn your point of view needs to be looked at just as much. ❤️🙏💕❤️🌅💕
At the end marriage is not always great, it's not. With kids, work, stress etc we get overwhelmed, tired or bored. It's ok :D to be honest on Friday I prefer just watch Netflix on the couch, have glass of wine and fall asleep 🤣 I am really done with artificial dates :p I like my home 🥰 and my hubby as well ;) I love him, I really do. It's just no longer 'creazy in love' stage.
Anyway, I don't say, we have best life or exceptional relashionship. It's just good enough ;) good enough to be overall happy and healthy, to raise kids and fell safe and fullfilled.
And this we should all remember. Good marriage and good partner is enough. We don't have to have exceptional partner to feel happy.
As for her, I don't think she choose consiously when she was 18... She was SOOOO young! She choose status, what is fine with me, but it's not always sustainable enough. I belive they don't match from the beggining. I am sure she truely fought and wanted it to work but in reality, you can't change other person (his/her true nature).
What really upsets me is the all the Smiley this is what's best for MY FAMILY crap .
Not an abusive relationship, just one that might deserve some less self serving attention.
Maybe I could be HAPPIER kind of self talk.
You weren't crazy about when your kids were little ?
" liked" them more when YOU could hv a conversation with them ?
Of course you did because that made it about YOU 🙃
Your childhood was screwed up you say ..
CONGRATULATIONS, You have just given your children, cracks in their foundation, self worth n more .
Not an opinion, a STATISTIC.
Just quit with the Smiley face, about much this will help everyone become stronger n more authentic...
It's all just more lip service to try n justify , your actions.
After preaching AGAINST QUITTING
You QUIT.
You really have no shame
You keep Preaching, just new curriculum.
Why anyone would $ support you after seeing just how egregious you have been is beyond me
I do feel if you have monetized the status of your marriage as an example to others than you do have a responsibility to the ppl who have invested time&money in ur brand that u do have to be very careful to live your own brand standards, that being said, we are going through the worst time in human history in the last 100yrs and we all need to be more empathetic through honest, authentic,accountable dialogue and level setting expecatations.....
9:49 when someone says ‘speak truthfully’ with eyes everted away ... trust wavers
That’s not the issue. She isn’t paying attention. She made that choice to host marriage conferences because it made her money. The conferences stopped and the charade wasn’t necessary or lucrative anymore.
I have stopped reading or listening because the problem isn’t the divorce. It is that your husband said this has been coming for three years and yet you still sold very expensive tickets to marriage conferences. You made money off of faulty advice. That is the problem. Of putting a false reality out there and acting like gurus and charging money for it. Don’t put this on your followers.
Michelle M Bunn, Really!
I happened upon this video and find it fascinating. You mentioned how you identify (granularly) what it means to be ... 'an exceptional mother, iconic leader,' etc. However you said this about being a wife ... 'an exceptional wife.' Can you help us understand what happened? How did this one break down?
In addition, I do believe that it is totally your decision to get a divorce (whether right, wrong, indifferent). However, I think the thing we are still disappointed with is your inability (or choice to not) address the 'thing' people are upset about ... please help us, your followers, understand how you and Dave said you were more in love than ever before, and how great your sex life was (only a month prior to announcing your divorce). There have been several chats about this, as well as the promo for your RISE Together podcast was about you believing with all your life held, that [people] can have an exceptional relationship (because you two did).
This is the tough part for people when they trusted what you were saying about you, your family, your marriage, business and all the 'stuff,' and you chose to put this content out to the world, yet not the truth about being close to asking for a divorce. Make sense? We have never heard you validate (important!) and address this. Clearly you can see why people's feathers are ruffled.
PLEASE address it honestly and soon ... thanks
I am so glad you were able to get Rachel in to talk to you. I have been a fan of both of y'all for a few years now. I will admit that I totally took the news of her divorce as something out of left field only because of the simple fact that their brand has been greatly based on their family and marriage. So having the marriage go away left me feeling so sad for them. I am sad to hear that she is getting "sinner" backlash from the faith community. As a Christian I know that divorce can and still does happen and no judgment. It is painful and her family is hurting. I cannot imagine how inauthentic she must have been feeling all this time leading up to the divorce. Day after day saying she was authentic but knowing her marriage was falling apart behind closed doors. So much unseen pain. No one can keep going on like that. I can understand the other side too how her fans felt betrayed with her marriage being such a huge part of her brand and business. I am just trying to say can see both sides. Her feeling attacked by her followers and her followers feeling like they were lied to. It is such a tough situation. I am praying for her family. 💛 I cannot imagine how incredibly difficult this would be to go through in the public eye. I hope she and her family are able to rebuild and move forward. I am sure she will find a new tribe even if her former one were to fall apart. She is very resilient! Best wishes Rachel. Thanks for the very vulnerable interview Lisa. 💛
Critics aren't trolls Rachel. Time to grow up.
She gave credit to the author for a quote! Yay!!! 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
That’s a first
Maybe it's a new post-pandemic strategy, trying new things 👏
Try saying it in a more positive way. Like this..... “I love it when you give the Author credit for a quote”.
Not a fan but I gave it a listen anyway. I think her husband puts out more useful content then she does which makes me wonder who is the powerhouse in this Hollis business. Honestly she has always come across as inauthentic to me. I’m glad she’s been successful, I’m not into watching her burn for all this but just not someone I’ve ever connected with.
Deep Sadness for someone that just chooses to quit (unless it was due to abuse, betrayal etc.) knowing the utter destruction it will do to others. My husband of 29 years walked away because "he needed to be his authentic self". Chasing authenticity as a means to justify selfish behaviors reveals one's true colors. One can pursue authenticity without quitting. Perseverance produces character. BTW Here's some advice from an older woman in her 50's, professional educator and mom to 5 children ,who never had a nanny or materialistic things: Run from your own advice; real happiness is not found in chasing the American dream. It is the simple things that bring joy. Stop preaching and start "being".
As beings, men or women, we are here to build each other up, not tear each other down. We all do things that others don't like, it takes courage to share that. We are only doing our best. She says she would rather be authentic than anything anybody else would have her be. Respect for that. Our own perspectives are just that
I have to admit that I unfollowed Rachel after the divorce announcement. Earlier this year I was listening to ‘Girl Wash Your Face’ and the part where Dave came back for her and knocked on the door made me cry like a baby. It was beautiful to see people put their best effort into a relationship and put all the love into their children. I unfollowed because I just couldn’t read the “divorce” talk anymore and see the pictures of broken hearted people. Being alone in 2020 is probably the worst experience and from a woman who left her life long term boyfriend for my “dreams” knows the deep feeling of regret. He wasn’t perfect but he was perfect for me and I was to selfish to see that.
Loved this episode
Thanks for your authenticity
It’s not always the version people think is true but it’s true because you’re living it. So much power in this, I pray you’ve found peace in your family and your go-parenting is going well.
THANK YOU ❤️
I think people are more annoyed about profiting off relationship advice while not having a stable relationship. This can be taken in many ways. Please don't blame being a woman, etc... Though . People should keep relationships more private because of this. You made money off of that advice and people can't trust that content after this.
This is so amazing! I love the real conversation here. Much love to Rachel and blessings. Thank you Lisa for bringing this real conversation. This is the real stuff we need to be talking about. Bravo!
Everyone read the book “ When People Are Big and God is Small” by Edward T. Welch and focus on your own heart :)
Rachel is not fake just because the true goodness in her marriage was presented as it truly was in those moments. She also is not required to blast her entire personal marriage that is private between her and her husband especially when they have children.
People just formulated their own story about the parts of her life they loved watching and bashing her is pointless - she’s amazing !
💛💛🙏🏽🙏🏽 who are you trying to please? Others or God? People pleasing is perhaps the most tragic form of the fear of man - as the book states. Ask ourselves if we feel worthless because someone else is withholding the acceptance, love, or significance we want from them. Just because another person cannot give us what we need or deserve does not have anything to do with our worth! We are worth it! Someone’s inability to know or see our worth does NOT decrease our value. 🙏🏽💛🌻
Thank you for this kind and thoughtful comment toward Rachel, I have learned that no matter what you're looking at it's still not what's really going on. You can't speak on a situation or circumstance unless you are in that person's shoes feeling their emptiness, and many emotions. Have a good one, Thank you carry on.
Funny I wasn’t a fan of Rachel’s before her divorce etc. and now I have mad respect. As a divorced woman myself I know the courage it takes to make such a huge life decision. Well done, Lisa! You have a new follower, Rachel. 💕
I'm strongly against telling people what to do but Rachel can't be surprised that women asked her: "Are you sure that you want to get divorced?" after she was presenting her marriage in a certain way. It's not "how people perceived you", it's how you showed up. I followed Rachel on IG and I remember "Thursday dates", and there was nothing about arguments or doubts, so please don't put it on women. Yes, we love to tell people how to live, but Rachel put everything on display, and that display was not that authentic after all, so women react and have the right to be disappointed. I follow you Lisa and Tom, and it would the same if you guys suddenly said: "We're getting a divorce" after all your posts how great your marriage was. If you put your business out, don't be surprised that people will be in your business. Rachel said she was always her authentic self, was she?
Nope. No, she wasn't.
Yes. She was always talking about their dates and making out. She said making out so much. They both did.
It takes courage and self love to be true to yourself, as well as to your fans, to talk about such a huge life changing choice. It doesn't matter if it is Rachel, who is popular, idolized, and a famous role model, or if it is a mom who works at a fast food restaurant with two other jobs, this is their life and they only get one like everyone else. We are all human and no one knows anyone else's true story besides them self, the other partner and God. We all don't go into a marriage planning on getting a divorce. Sometimes life and relationships do not work out like we planned it to. Who cares if Rachel and Dave were considering a divorce while on stage speaking about how to make a marriage work, that is the best time to learn the do's and don'ts. For all we know, they could have been doing the best they could to make it work during that time. If anything, Rachel has wisdom on what will help a marriage and what will not. "You can't beat a dead horse." A marriage won't work in a healthy way if it's always a one way street. But for her and any woman or man to be truthful to them self takes pure courage, truth and authenticity. Yes, people give up on their marriage a lot easier in today's society but even 30, 50 and 100 years ago when most marriages lasted, doesn't always mean their marriage was faithful and true to each other.Therefore, the only one's who know the true in's and out's of their marriage is them self, their partner and God. A marriage only works when both individuals work together; a marriage cannot work if only one is giving the effort and the other is not. I am sure they did the best they could. I will not judge Rachel or any other couple's decision of marriage or divorce because at the end of the day, they have to live with their choices and no one will completely understand their struggles. I have the respect for Rachel that she is being honest to herself and to her fans. I do not know her and Dave's life experiences and I never will because I am not living in their shoes and neither is no one else. Even if her fans do not agree, given her negative/nasty comments, or if this has caused her to lose fans. She's human, your human, I am human. No one is perfect. Having true and understanding fans is the only fans you need anyways. Best wishes and prayers to Rachel, Dave and their family.
Love your perspective on this
You nailed it. Loved how you have seen it in the light of things that things are not perfect and they never were even 100 yr back- but how the expectations have made us call it quits, made us judgemental and quick to express our opinions.
Please do write more often- your writing shows both wisdom and pragmatism.
Exactly! I wholeheartedly agree with your statement.
Love Rachel Hollis no matter what. People can hate on her all they want. None of them are a part of the marriage, even though they thought they were. Divorce isn't easy, especially when you have to do it all in the public eye.
Justine Buroker,you look stunning 🌹🌹🌷🌹
I can't believe that you would even bring her on after she scammed her fans. I am unsubscribing.
P.s. Don't think we don't notice your only hearing the postive comments and not addressing the Critical ones.
"i AM NOT SORRY FOR ANYTHING I'VE EVER SAID NOR DONE... AS IT WAS WHAT IT WAS AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENED... LIKE4LIKE"
This was interesting- I much prefer Toms interview style because he’s not such a kiss ass - he certainly wouldn’t continually praise anyone who was currently going through so much drama in the public eye - since it’s not very respectful to the 1000’s of women who feel lied to by Rachel. I’ve never been a fan but no one cares about you going through a divorce- they care that you sold them -literally - on how great your marriage was - apparently as recent as last year? $1700 for a couple retreat on how to get what you two had? Oh I’d be SO pissed! And now to try to shame those women after you’ve disappointed them & taken their money?
Just wow...
Its because YOU Preached, made a living off ... the EXACT OPPOSITE GIRL ?
Self absorbed to your core is Authentic
Yes, 100%
These days, it takes courage to be true to yourself. As long as we live, people will always judge, regardless of right or wrong decisions. Only few to none will understand your struggle. At this stage, I just want to be at peace with the Lord and myself.
Couldn't have said it better 💖
Ooto oro
Thank you for this medicine. I am so incredibly grateful to be at a higher state of consciousness to be able to digest this conversation and the other one that Rachel had with time. I have learned so much from it and it is helping me heal from my trauma. You make me realize that it is OK to just simply be me in on it. If I make people uncomfortable on the way that is their shit not mine
Tom**
The motherhood thing sounds so familiar. I felt, many times, that I wasn't meant to be a mom. When I was surprised by getting pregnant at 18, I didn't want to be a mom and I hoped for a miscarriage. I struggled so long not being "good enough" as a mom. My son is 19 now and I finally like being his mom. I love that you shared that part of your story.
Thanks so much for sharing your story. You’re definitely not alone ❤️
I am loving the new hair Lisa, looks so beautiful! Interesting podcast to just owning our emotions more than anything else.
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I applaud Rachel for having the courage to be true to herself. Why does anyone have the right to judge? If this interview triggered anyone they should ask themselves what part of themselves is not free? Lisa, I’ve always admired you in many ways💝 I don’t believe women have to agree on everything to mutually respect one another. Keep your vibration high ladies, it’s the only way to ascend!
Lisa Caprio well said! Thank you for this perspective ❤️
@@LisaBilyeu You disgust me. You're applauding Rachel Hollis for knowingly ripping people off by charging $1700 per couple for relationship retreats based on a lie. You're a disgrace and so is Women of Impact.
I have an issue with Rachel, I like her because of her wisdom and her tenacity but the divorce (it's not that the divorce itself but the implications of it) always makes me wonder which parts of this interview where she being 'unauthentic' a bit. Regardless, overall, I enjoy this interview, I empathize with her although I doubt some of her stories.
Btw, Lisa and Rachel have a beautiful friendship. By doing this interview Lisa allowing Rachel to express some of her thoughts. It's wonderful to see a woman of success cheering another woman like this ✔
People have it so twisted what it means to be authentic; you can be authentic and have problems and really want to work through those problems and speak positive about (the rest of) your life (not your problems) AND you can be authentic in those same problems and come to the conclusion that it’s not going to work out and end it. I’m shocked that especially women, forget ALL the relationships we’ve hung on to hoping it would get better and it just doesn’t so we come to the painful conclusion that it must end
Imagine giving this woman a platform … who’s worst
This is incredible you are so grown and thoughtful!!! Please stay strong! There are many women benefits from this!!! Thank you for being honest and truthful!!!
I found the comments far more interesting than the video. Fast forwarded through. Nothing insightful here.
Judy Miller, Really!
I just like how Lisa styles her hair x! Braids and different colour! Eccentric like me 😊☺️☺️
Rachel says she's authentic then says why would we show the bad times and bad parts??? ummmmm....because authenticity is showing ALL of you.
Ladies, the answer to your question about why other women attack when you make a life changing decision is that your action threatens the tightly held belief that they cannot make that same decision. They trap themselves in a prison of "shoulds" and rules that they then project onto you. When you chose to get divorced you broke the sacred contract they had placed on you to reinforce their prison walls. Since I you broke down yours, they have to attack you to defend their ability to uphold theirs. What if the lies they tell themselves about what is not possible for them are wrong? What if they could live a different live and are in fact creating their own prison? What if they are wrong? What if they actually allowed themselves to dream beyond the bars? Nope. Its too much to handle. Must minimize your choice to not be tempted to believe it is possible for me too.
Natalie Rivera Yaaaa. Nooooo....that’s not it. Women are stronger than the toxic positivity Rach is sell-ING. This type of created imperfection, woo-woo, rah-rah, oooh, I’m such a badass is 100% fake. Terrible for all women, especially young women, to latch onto this fake idea. Dive into her problematic plagerizim, her Trump loving followers, her MLM support. Her Hero is Tony Robbins (sexual assault-er). Enough said. Reach for more ladies!
It’s perfectly fine to get a divorce. I think people are mad because she sold very expensive marriage courses, based not on credentials but on her own successful marriage. She didn’t mention they had any problems while they sold them, her main point was “buy my course and your marriage will look like ours”. Now they are getting divorced and people are upset because they paid for advice based on her personal experience. She is not a therapist or a councilor, she taught what she was doing herself and what proved to not be very effective. People feel scammed, it’s about the money, not her personal choices.
I almost stopped watching because using "girl" and "fricking" so much does not fit my standard for Women of Impact. So annoying and unprofessional Ladies
Thank you Lisa for another powerful show!!!❤
And thank you Rachel for sharing your story. Your experience is a source of strength for me and for many people out there who will probably never get a chance to tell you how what you've shared has helped them break free from and rise through excruciating pain and depression.
There are many broken people in the world who are beating themselves up every single moment of every single day and are even considering giving up their lives because they are not other people's version of 'perfect' and are therefore in those people's eyes and now in theirs 'unworthy'.
Those people are being healed right now by your honesty and are DECIDING to get through one more minute today FOR THEMSELVES because they are seeing you go through one more minute today FOR YOURSELF.
Thank You and may God bless you.
Devil's advocate: She probably spent a few years in turmoil trying to make sense of it all and figuring out the best way to be her authentic self and divorce Dave while trying to appease her team, audience, family, etc. I genuinely don't think there was malice in her intention. She's obviously learned a lesson in all this and is trying to create from her experiences. Give her a fucking break!
Exactly!!! Thank you i can’t believe all of the negativity she’s getting!
This is my story!! No anxiety but my head was in the sand which lead to real thoughts of suicide....finally realizing I needed to leave my 28 year marriage...such a HUGE issue in the Bible belt/homeschool belt. Im truly alone now...(my parents are really stepping up) but talk about 'I choose LIFE' I have chosen life...MY LIFE!! The great thing is I know my life is gonna be in print someday and serve to help others..I knew it was coming the day I spoke to the divorce attorney...it still hasn't happened but its coming!! Im so grateful for this encouragement 💓 💗!!
This is beautiful living authentically as who we are
You need to be honest, Racheal!
The pandemic has been a blessing for many of us. Please take into consideration those of us who are doing better than ever.
Good to hear an advice from a white privileged woman who married rich and never had a hard day in her life
Thank you exactly Rachel Hollis is a gold digger.
I’ve been there and in those moments when everything was grey I used it to exercise and grow continued schooling and it really helped me I took care of myself instead of feeling sorry!! It’s not easy when the will isn’t there but possible when you dare yoursel!!
wow, people are so upset calling her a fraud. yet nothing is gauranteed in life though, and people change. we only have control over ourselves and if her relationship changed it wasn't her fault. if she tried to work on saving her marriage, at least she tried. everything we buy in life comes with the understanding that there's a possiblity that it may break or not work. she might've just sold the advice/program withouth involving her personal marriage as proof that her advice 'works'. her marriage should've been kept private out of all of this chaos...maybe that's why it failed because so many people had opinions about it. feel really sorry that her marriage became a victim of social media.
While Rachel’s authenticity advocacy and girlboss attitude is generally a positive concept, it’s hard to swallow when she herself has plagiarized multiple people and scammed couples when she herself was in a broken relationship. That’s just the tip of the iceberg of this women’s inauthenticity and fake transparency. I do not believe she is remorseful for her actions as she deflects accountability nor do I think she cares about the wellbeing of other women. I’m very disappointed that she was asked to talk on Women of Impact.
The amount of negative comment and feedback to this interview of a woman who is being so transparent about an extremely sore and hella rocky phase in her life.
Whatever you think about her is none of her business. But it is YOUR business to work on your own pain and suffering because clearly you have much work undone on yourself being that you criticise her so brutally.
I love her openness and her ability to express herself when you can clearly see the pain and sadness behind her eyes. I don’t know if id make it out of bed in her situation with the eyes she has on her, let alone put make up on and do an interview. That takes guts! Real frikin guts! She is mastering herself and her emotions. Hats off to her 👏🏻💖🙏🏻 xxx
Love ya Rach! Always inspiring❤️
A Million Thanks!
It’s hard watching and reading the comments. Hearing her not support BLM makes me uncomfortable to carry on watching.... I will skim watch!
Girl how can she support when 70% of her audience are Trump supporters. Go lookon the instagram post where she said go vote, it was 80% Trump supporters.
lafemmenikita123 she can support by “being her authentic self” and “not trying to please other people”...
I'm confused...she speaks about her support of it in her most recent book? And she did on her Instagram? Don't get me wrong I'm sure it was very minimal compared to what she could have done but she's never said she doesn't support it...?
Lisa you are amazing! I love everything about you! your enthusiasm, your STYLE, your accent! eheheh, wonderful, Keep up the great interviews
Just from the outside looking in ....what's important is what gets the attention....career? or relationships?...your choice ! Admire your honesty!
Again, this is just so powerful! Thank you Rachel for going against the grain and being authentic and honest! I am sending you a huge hug and am so grateful that you speak up!!!
Why would anyone ever think rachel hollis was fake? That is nuts! She is such an authentic real and genuine person. Haters will be haters.
People seem really harsh and judgemental about the fact she got a divorce just because she gave marriage counseling. Anyone who's been married should know it's tough to respect the privacy of your marriage during hard times and nobody talks about how terrible it is behind closed doors and it's especially tough if you are in the public eye. You think your just going through a rough patch but you think I'll be hopeful and keep plodding through but then your spirit keeps hitting a wall and you realize your human and the other person is human and that means sometimes things need to end for your sanity. I'm in that situation now and I respect and understand where she's coming from. If you were a fan and felt let down you need to accept disappointment is a part of life and if you were greatly affected by her personal life that says a lot about you. Maybe she filled some void you had, but only God can and should do that, and that's who you should put your faith in.✌️
This person seems to care more about defending /perpetrating her personal financial success or her own point of view, rather than truly helping others, a lot of what she says seems VERY self absorbed ,rather than helpful and enlightening. Count the sheer volume of times she says I or me . Wow. I’ve never heard this person speak before but, ouch. It’s cringey at best. ..
Why would you have a known plagiarizer, fraudulent business person, discredited author, and someone who does not speak out or support BLM, on your show? So disappointed!!!!
Really?
I am starting to feel uncomfortable based on your to watch it as a person of colour! But will try to keep an open mind
I'm not really familiar with this author, but what does BLM have to do with this? Does she also talk about social-political issues on top of relationship stuff?
Amanda V Yes. And Yes. Dive deeper, Girl.
I have wanted to say this and maybe Rachel will never read it but i remember this moment where i heard Rachel speak in this tone tone this sort of sing songy tone so to speak that was the exact same way that Dave her husband spoke and it really really bothered me and for some reason i just could not shake this annoyance by it and i kept wondering why it bothered me so much. It occurred to me one day why: it bothered me because it made it feel like It is such a small space space for women to shine and make it ( as women as entrepreneurs and coaches etc) and when i heard her now started to sound like her husband it was like he had taken that away from her in a way when this was her thing that she built and now she was starting to sound like him, i lost a little respect for her and just felt this disapointment for a while. Hard to articulate what i mean but i just felt like it made her shrink! Glad she is back and stronger than ever and it’s ALL RACHEL:)
At the end of the day people love a "MONSTER". When someone people love and respect fail their expectations all hell breaks loose. The most powerful thing about this interview is that when you walk in your purpose your greatest attack will always be to CRUSH or DERAIL WHO you are and WHAT you were created to do on this earth. I would rather see someone going through real things and just be open about it then live a lie. I guess it's just the difference's in perspective.
LOVE THIS SHOW AND EVERYTHING IT STANDS BEHIND!!!!
This is so very true. Silenced.
What people don’t understand is that it is ultra difficult to be the person who has to make the decision. None us know what is happening in someone else’s house, we barely know what’s truly happening in our own. I applaud Rachel for being the honest with herself and make the hard decision. Sending lots of love to you both beautiful and authentic women! ❤️🤗
I swear this podcast was meant for me. Now discovered you both and you are such amazing women! I understand everything Rachel said from not feeling like you’re good at motherhood to young kids and people not having any idea what’s happening off of social media in your private life because no one needs to see your struggles or know intimate details. You aren’t being a hypocrite for helping others, God knows how much you’ve been trying and beating yourself up about not living up to what people expect and want from you. But it’s your life to live, your happiness. I’m in a similar situation as you are too. I’ve been searching for like minded women like you and you ladies have no idea how much comfort your words and your determination pushes me to keep going forward. It’s like my little circle of friends that I need to keep going. ❤️
I don't know all the details of her work, but I respect that she never let go of her vision. The ability to daydream and visualize is powerful and her manifestations speak to her ability to create her dreams.
Working through a dark place in your relationship? Did you get Intensive therapy? What is it that you want from a relationship? You will not change them, you can only change yourself. Is this the way to finally work through the insecurities of your younger years? Divorce is the solution?
These two people are incredible as individuals. I didn't resonate with Dave Hollis until I heard him interviewed alone and read his book. He's solid and warm and wise in his own way. Everything they did was a legit effort to make a solid life as a couple, as parents, and as business partners. I think the people who don't understand their decision and are being harsh on them prefer to live in a black and white world. Life isn't that simple. They weren't happy.
They have the right to choose what will give them hope and a sense of the future in a way that looks brighter. Sending blessings and Love to them and I'm looking forward to seeing what comes from Rachel as a result of this giant trauma. 'Cause yeah, that's what divorce is. And the impact on kids is well beyond what people understand. I'm sure they'll be great co-parents but it IS a TOUGH road...or at least CAN be.
Audacious Life 💯❤️
This is my first time watching Lisa Biliyeu; is she always this insufferable? Also Rachel no one cares you got a divorce girl. We cared you kept a facade going and profited off it. Can we stop with the gaslighting and victimizing yourself pretty please?
Vanessa Voltol
Loved this interview so much. I am a big Rachel Hollis fan - ‘discovering’ her work almost 3 years ago in Girl, Wash Your Face changed my whole life trajectory because it really opened the world of personal development to me.
I loved Lisa’s interview questions and how she guided the conversation. Thank you so much to both Lisa and Rachel. I hope the link can be shared in the Made for More community - I really think they will benefit from seeing this session.
Cara Clapham thanks so much for your feedback! 😊 Really glad you found value in this interview ❤️
Going to say goodbye to my mom for the last time today.
Thank you women for all you do.
I totally disagree with all the thumbs down-ers. The relationship advice they offered works if both people work it. They - as a couple - have the right to change course and make new decisions. People can judge but that doesn't even matter. The judgment just sits in the person who is judging's heart. The couple divorcing still has the right to make their own individual choices.
Jacqueline Parks, you must be a compassionate being 💓☺️🤙
When I saw Rachel Hollis it made my heart jump! 2 of the women that I love so much together 🌹🌹 Thank you for doing this show!!! TY Rachel for speaking on looking back and realizing that it was hard being a Mom when your kids were little. That healed me so much just knowing you felt that way too. One of my biggest regrets is (though I loved my kids younger IMMENSELY and we had great fun and love together) There were so many days that I know that I could have been a much better Mom to them. The Mom I wanted to be! I was struggling with not feeling like a whole person (in fact I was pretty broken!) and just wanted to get through the days so many times.
Love this!! I’ve been following the both of you for sometime now and it’s amazing to see you come together!! Can’t wait for the new book Rachel!! Keep going after your dreams!! 🌟🎉🙌🔥💪
LaRee Lynn,you look stunning 🌹🌹🌷🌺🌺
Amazing and authentic !
Surprised Hollis is on the show, tbh
Thank you for sharing and I’m so sorry you are going through this pain. I’ve been through a divorce and it is so hard. Praying for you and your family 🙏🏼❤️🤗
This was such an AMAZING interview. God bless you Warrior Rachel as you continue to live out your life the way God is calling you to. There were sooooo many amazing points. I loved every single second of it. Awesome, awesome, awesome interview Lisa!!!
She literally described my childhood and adulthood to a tee😮
YESSS! Thank you so much for this! This helps me reconfirm a recent video I did as well talking about owning your choices! Love this so much!😍
The interview that I was waiting for, thanks girls, keep it up❤✨
👏❤️ pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it 🙌
Another great interview! Thank you so much! This opened my eyes to some insights about myself and I appreciate that! 💜
Love that! 💕
Lisa your show is just sooooooo GOOD!
I just woke up from a dream where I was back in high school and it was the first day of basketball practice. Unfortunately I brought my present day injured leg with me so I was all bound with surgical tape. It was wild! I'm understanding the symbolism behind it all😥
Now I'm AWAKE and this video was much needed. I'm an athlete dealing with a permanent injury, a pandemic, and unemployment. Thank you so much ladies🙏🏽🙏🏽 NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE
Things will get better. This is a learning time
Ayyy Jester Dazed So glad you got something from this episode. Keep going lovely. Life is challenging in so many ways. One step in front of the other (and sometimes several back), but face forward ❤️❤️
Love the energy!!! So much passion and genuine love to share her truths so that others can find their own truth!!!
This has definitely described my life . Even though my turn (traumatic experience)in life happened in2018. This year really tested my strength and my love for my life. Holding it together has happened by listening to videos like this. Love you Lovely Ladies.
I applaud your truth sharing, vulnerability in trying times, and believe me people will still question you..why, how can you..and it's still your truth verses their presumptions which noone can live under that. I'm also divorced, single Warrior Mom to a son, and people still ask 17 years later, you never hear from your ex ever? So you will live your next chapter, but there may be some who want to stay stuck in the old chapters,..write your life story, and make it great;))
Trayce Carr thank you for sharing ❤️
Love it Lisa❤️ thanks for creating this session!🙏
Rachel, I admire you for being you and showing the natural and beautiful you. Totally relatable. Loads of love!! ❤️
Inspired Leaves thank you! ❤️
What about the people that want to leave but don't have the financial stability to?
Rachel is only human and she’s more empowered than most people I can think of. Sure she could have done some things differently but so could many of us. Love to you Rachel 💕
sharhful ❤️❤️
"Life presents many choices, the choices we make determine our future." Catherine Pulsifer
Some choices are treasonous some are not...
Amazing!! Thank you so much girls.💯