Minelab Manticore MISSED THIS GOLD In General All Terrain
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- Опубликовано: 29 май 2023
- I just finished my Target ID Bible for the Minelab Manticore. I tested the target ID for hundreds of treasures I found metal detecting. Most registered fine, but when in General All Terrain mode, the first 4 numbers (1,2,3,4) of the Target ID are notched out. You can go in all metal mode and everything is fine, but most people like to run it in a quieter mode that notches out iron and doesn't pick up every little tiny piece of metal. When you operate with the mask (which notches out certain segments of an XY Graph, you will miss gold. This is the case in the General All Terrain program. Not the Beach General program.
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I think the problem with gold giving a low conductivity reading is down to physics rather than any machine fault. That 0-99 conductivity scale is not really a linear scale. Keeping things simple, try thinking of it as a rotary scale. Gold is really very conductive so if the conductivity response goes beyond 99 it shows up at the bottom end of the scale again, so a response of 102 would show as 3 on the scale. This is just because we are dealing with the physics of an angluar scale, not a linear scale so no fault of the machine or its designer.
Merrill, this is why I love you. It's all about learning together. Thank you for adding this update.
I learned something too, if you hit all metal in the disc pattern menu, the notches in the custom disc pattern still come back with the horseshoe off, so it is basically just another way to turn all metal on, you still have to adjust your custom disc pattern, if you use horseshoe off, thanks for your video
If you are in the UK, don't notch because you will miss small hammys and 1/4 staters
When you had your disc screen opened up all you had to do was hit your accept/reject button and accept 0-4.
It's that easy, yeah. And if you're LOOKING for gold where you are, you'll notch that out and dig anything in that area. ESPECIALLY considering how nice those inkblot marks were on the 2D screen.
@@willthedingo With bottle caps virtually disc'd you'll just miss gold in that range anyway. Gold hunting is HARD. You need to basically clean everything out lol. Your machine can't help you. Also it should say in the manual that any disc may lose small gold. I'm pretty sure the Legend manual now says this but I don't have manticore manual to read so I'm not sure.
Just bought my Manticore and have been on the learning curve. Have to say Merrill your instructive videos has made the learning process easy. This video was the most important in understanding a limitation and how to get your head around it. Can understand why you are a teacher. Great video!! Eric from Canada
Thank you so much Eric!
Much respect in how you handled this. Everyone is human, even the "trolls" and fanboys.
Thank you for sharing this. Always such a pleasure to learn and watch you stuff. Cheers.
no matter, merrill, you are definitely a go to person about detecting.
Much appreciated, Merrill! You are such a valuable asset to the REAL metal detecting landscape!
Honesty & integrity is the way..!
Great vid Merrill! I'm a water hunter in Florida and hunt beach 2 with horshoe!! I like to hear everything including the iron as it slows me down and in that reaction I have found numerous incredible finds!! As always Merrill a great informative vid that is highly appreciated!!! Thanks again Sir!
I got a 10gram 9ct gold chain last week on Beach deep all metal Merrill .. id was a low .07
Meanwhile on the Manticore group I just saw my 3rd post today featuring gold jewelry....
Good on you Merril
You took what you had to school had a lesson did a practical then rewound a bit to show us all we learn something new everyday 😊
In a park I never dig anything that low because you would dig foil all day, at the beach you don’t mask anything obviously and I’ve never had a chatty minelab unless your sensitive is to high , I like all metal mode most of the time
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You need to watch Diggin' SoCal video where he is not picking up a gold chain in beach mode and Trys different modes and the chain does not register.
Thanks & glad I caught it before the replacement video. 👍
I'm so glad I didn't let the shop talk me into a Manticor and I stood my ground and purchased a new Equinox 800😂
The 900 is waterproof!! The 800 has serious water problems. The 900 has vibration. You should have bought the 900!
@@MinelabCTXKingthey're BOTH submersible the 800 and 900 the 800 is fine except for dingalings who don't keep track of how deep they go underwater then whine when they get leaks.the 900 will leak too if you go over 16 ft
Que bien. Gracias por esa aclaración. Gracias por tus videos. Saludos desde Medellin Colombia
I only hunt allmetal mode no matter whether at beach or anywhere else. I rarely hunt the dirt,but its always all metal mode
Awesome video Merrill, thanks
The equinox had an issue hitting big silver on edge when it came out, nothing that can’t be fixed with a software update. The manticore is still a very new machine, only going to be performance improvements from here on out. It has no problem hitting silver I know that! Lol I’ve dug over 100 silver coins with it since early January, 116 to be exact.
Its a good point and retraction. Its a balancing act. I asked ML about firmware update and larger coils nothing available yet as far as dates other than in a couple of months on coil availability.
thank you for another great educational video
Nice video Merrill, it is nice you are always questioning machines
Great job Merrill!!
If you notch 28-30 on an equinox you miss silver dimes and some quarters, take the notch off Mr XP
Crushed the like button and and subscribed! My brother had been recommending thatI get into metal detecting ! 😊
As always great teaching. Anyone know if there is a face plate protector for the EXTERRA PRO?
Ok, first of all...yesterday i found a 2,2gr 18k gold necklace, the finest i found so far VDI = 4
Obviously if u notch out firsts segments you will hit the chain with no problems, and you can do this in all programs.
With stock iron bias option, you won´t be able to cut off the bottlecap sound...you have to increase the lower part.
Yesterday a friend of mine said "hey, have you seen that the Manticore misses gold?" and he gave me this link....LOL What a title!! 🤣🤣 Someone is really believing in that!!
Surely, Minelab can figure a way to Un-Notch 1, 2, 3 & 4 w/o going all metal.
They sometimes call that one, operator error lol. I still dig 1-4 cause earrings
Yes, you’re doing it correctly, ‘first’ check (and test) if they’re only gold plated ‘or’ fake gold before you draw any final conclusions about the Manticore.
Good video. The best tip.... Detect in "All Metal" mode.
Target ID definitely changes when frequency is changed. The lower the frequency the higher the ID number. I assume all these numbers are based on multi frequency
Good Stuff .. Happy Hunting .
Hooray!!!! I've been using the beach mode on the beach, so I am good to go!!!!
As always, your videos are helpful and informative. Keep up the good work!
Chris AKA FenderStrat19711
Good stuff bro .
FYI with the new update I just had this happen!
I could see the gold but the Manticore couldn't. I jacked up sensitivity and only got the dot , no sound no #s.
Turned out to be a 14k cross... 1gr
thank you for this video...
All detectors miss gold when gold is notched out. That's the point of notching out targets.
So you stated "I find most of my rings at the beach so it's not a big deal"
That implies your happy that the detector won't find a lot of jewelry at century old parks homesteads, amusement areas etc...
So this then leads to small gold coins.. ever wonder why you don't find them at all the old sites you visit?
Just food for thought...
Yup and think about this. HOw many gold pendants do people find? The chains that went with them are most likely there as well........just sitting there. Nobody digs those low iron range tones though, accept for gold hunters who know you have to clean an area out to find all the gold. You machine will find the chunky stuff.........the fine stuff you can't run disc for or even use tones in many cases.
Has this gold issue been fixed by Minelab since this video?
I was just getting ready to purchase a Manticore today until I saw this video. Scary.
Even my old Tesoro Vaquero found gold jewelry.
$1600 is a big investment if the Manticore doesn’t find gold. I detect land not beaches. Thanks so much.
Thanks for vid.
Hmm what can I say? A year ago, when I told people that I was cleaning up after Equinox800 with my AT pro, people thought I was crazy. A year ago I bought Nokta Makro Gold Kruzer fourth output (not knowing the equipment yet) I pulled out a 4 gram gold ring. It doesn't matter what equipment you have, I'm looking for in lakes and on the beach I have AT pro, Gold Kruzer and Multi kruzer next will be Deus1 I'm wondering about the Polish production of Rutus Versa. Greetings from Poland Sebastian from AT pro ;o)
"Character"... Merrill has it👍
Thanks brother!!!
Good info.
Why must the factory fix something you can adjust yourself?
That’s one main reason you don’t use filtering when gold hunting. People don’t understand that concept
It hits gold really hard on beach deep and low with wide open screen. Only bad thing is it falses too dam bad. It hit hard on over 100 gold rings and small earrings that I waved over the coil. But with any kind of filter put on it’s going to not hit on everything.
It depends on ground conditions. i can´t avoid to eliminate bottlecaps in an infested area on the beach. So i´m ready to lose a tiny gold near a bottlecap instead of wasting time to dig 100 bottlecaps in a day. But if u want to hunt for small jewelry, you need to concentrate yourself on very low signals.
On an infested beach with tiny foil + bottlecaps + pulltab you should discriminate everything up to 30-32 on the Manticore, and forget about small gold.
This is how discrimination should work...just a matter of probabilities
Nice video❤
I’ve had gold marked 18k Italy heavily plated you have to file into the item to get accurate I’d with acid that’s what
happened to my chain I thought was real I not when we filed into the chain did the acid turn green
what would you say is better on the beach, deus 2 9 inch coil or equinox 800 15 inch coil, many thanks
Equinox 15 inch coil all day. You want coverage. I am yet to get the 13 inch coil for the Deus 2. I use the 11.
@@MetalDetectingNYC , deus 2 11 in coil ends that…. And would bet the 9in against anything nox 800.
Why do think they made the nox 900 after the manticore and in 120 target ids
Gold chains come in at what I call the foil range and the foil range is just above iron so I can see iron mask doing that. You wouldn't run that when hunting for jewlery. That 10k ring brings up a good point though. That ring is broken and now takes on the conductivity of a gold chain or foil. Push that ring together so the crack makes contact and it will go back up in the pulltab range where it should be. Those people skipping foil range could be leaving nice gold behind. I get excited for targets in the foil range. Really surprised a machine like the Manticore doesn't have a standard beach mode that picks up that low end range where fine gold is and still give iron rejection. Nevermind, lol, They do. Just watched the rest of the video. The original Whites Spectrum had these same modes pretty much and would mask out small gold or foil on some modes. The had a Coin and Jeweler mode that I believe would too and then a jeweler mode that would pick up either a few below zero and up or zero and up. Zero being the least conductive Non-Ferrous target. I laugh at watching yall younger guys learning this new/old tech :).
From Bill go into custom settings and you can change it . I just did it
I am beach hunting for 35 years and i notch nothing. Dig it all !!!
Go with Deus II...The Swiss Army Knife of metal detectors!
But the bottle caps sound good when they are in the ground but when I get them out of the hole then they don't sound good. The only machine I Had that could not pick up old rusty bottle caps deep was The old white's Eagles. The best machines ever and I have 26 machines 😭🤣😭😭🤣🤣
26!!!! You got ME beat!!!!!
So what is the best machine would be for coins and rings on the beach or parks?
What do those gold items ring up at on the deus 2 ?
Got it here: ruclips.net/video/QvOa3KFserA/видео.html In short, all registered in the Deus general mode.
@@MetalDetectingNYC cant realy find what im looking for there such a big video i was mainly talking about the 3 missed items on the manticore i was wondering what vdi on teh deus 2 i understand thers a video showing but im not sure what the correct gold items are
Hi Merrill, do you know what a one dollar gold coin rings up?
When's iratemetaldetectors getting updated?
Hey Man, You sad Legend got fixed, I have still this Issue. It takes the 0,4gramm Earring to Iron,so i wouls ask you how they fixed it?(I Have the last Patch on it)ty for answer!
Nice Merrill! Are you ever going to make another art channel? I love your art channell.
Thank you Linda! I still have access to the old one. It was convenient when I taught art. I would get hyper competitive about painting. But it’s tough to do that on top of an already demanding job. Metal detecting usually calms me and makes me feel good. It was tough to walk away from that first channel. But it felt forced so I went with what is natural.
@@MetalDetectingNYC Well that's good to hear.
I'm glad you enjoy metal detecting
My god a lot of videos recently? Are you doing videos like me just to push the add Revenue as high as it can get before the end of the month?
I'm hoping for £900 this month
Geez that's crazy all that money
Are you positive that the items tested are gold? Did you do an acid test on them. I say this because the vast majority of chains and earrings I find will be marked but are indeed fake. However, most are also gold plated copper, but some are ferrous. 🤔
That is a very, very good point, could be gold plated or fake!
Yep thats were the X CAL COMES INTO PLAY.
Lol.WHAT?.if you mean fine gold chains forget it you'll walk right over them with the excals.
@@c.h.u.d what did ya have yours on 3 lol 😂 ummm mar.
@@brettellis1837 sure Mr wizard you must have the Excalibur thats sprinkled with unicorn dust and finds small chains
if you are looking for gold you will have to dig everything..... or miss it
Yes
Merrill i know it going to be a silly question but did you do there update
Spoiler alert 🚨 Mate you can open that notch even in general program!! Please tell me you know that
Merrill is no fool. I’m sure he is aware of this.
@Jason Andrews He has too much evidence that suggests the opposite of that. He didn't even know how basic discrimination works in pre-programmed modes.
How did they fix it on the Legend?
Firmware update that lowered the general numbers that were notched out with a basic mask.
@@MetalDetectingNYC All Nokta did way back in version 1.05 was lower the default ferrous/non-ferrous tone break from 11 to 10. That's all. No major firmware update to fix a non-existent "issue" because anyone with half a brain and some experience hunting for gold jewelry knows to accept at least some of the iron range target IDs anyway to take care of micro gold jewelry, smaller chains and especially damaged/broken gold jewelry like the cracked ring Merrill used in his original video. All of that is handled very nicely on the Legend using the G discrimination pattern. Merrill did not mention the “issue” on the Equinox 600/800 which also has Park 1 default rejects-9 to 1, Park 2 default rejects -9 to 0, Field 1 default rejects -9 to 2 and Field 2 default rejects -9 to 2. Anyone that doesn’t know their Equinox 600/800 and does a gold test using default settings with Merrill’s targets will also be missing gold with the Equinox 600/800. Minelab did not change their tone breaks for those default modes like Nokta did. Another very famous RUclips master teacher made a video where he claimed that another detector outperformed the Equinox 800 because the 800 called a boderline non-ferrous target that had a target ID of 1 to 2 in default Field 2 an iron target……..DUH!!!!
Hi Merrill. Can you please do me a favour, after looking at your videos I bought the Nokta Legend Pro. I've hardly been able to use it much due to work, but now a new update 1.11 has come out and I'd like to update mine. I've looked and looked at videos , I think I only found one guy who went through the process and said its super easy. Well either he talks too fast or something, but I can't follow it at all. Now you as a teacher, can you do a video on updating the Legend ? Super slow with all the buttons showing. Many Thanks and for all your previous videos as well.
did you repeat that with the deus2?
The older minelab’s are the best , the newer minelab’s are disposable . I hate it! I adore my sovereign elite. She is so sweet when she sings.......👍
I ran a Minelab Explorer II for 18 years and that machine is awesome 😍found everything under the sun INLAND 😋 but on the beach is was a complete nightmare 😬I couldn't get away with it. 😕. I just purchased a second hand Minelab Equinox and so far working great but haven't tried on the beach. HH from the UK. 🙂. Shout out to the veteran Minelab machines. 😀.
Etrac ctx equinox and now the manticore are the best digital beach detectors and i used the all intens.
In the sea i only use mij Excalibur 2.
Sold mine, don't "miss" it a bit
Does the 900 have the same problem?
That’s the difference between Merrill and the know it all‘s. Know it all‘s don’t want to admit when they are wrong. They just find excuses.
Thanks brother!
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Been there done that!!! LOL
Lol no kidding these detector companies are like mafioso.just ask dilektable from nokta.what a Nazi 😂
Dude! Did you really delete that last video???
I was just wondering that too
I made it a private video. I missed an angle on it so the picture wasn’t complete. There is so much misinformation out there in the world! I was right on with the general all terrain program missing gold. But I didn’t try it on beach. Beach had a complete range. The video was incomplete because it missed an angle. I left 90% of the original video in this one. I just added the angle about the beach general. I’m a teacher during the day. We’re not always going to be right. But the information we give has to be spot on. I wasn’t comfortable leaving the last video up without illustrating the full picture.
@@MetalDetectingNYC good deal teach! Thanks for the tips!
Mate, I’m not going to hold it against you. Like I said, you’ve got a great sense of humour, you’re intelligent, experienced and you’ve clearly got a great following from so many people who love your content. That includes me! Never stop doing what you do! The fact you can put your pride aside, own up to your faults, well that just puts another feather in your cap and not only helps you learn, it helps all of us. I was surprised you deleted your last video as when you did you also deleted all our comments. That did annoy me as we had a proper good discussion going on and now it’s gone. In saying this, I do understand some of your points for doing so. I know others may not feel the same going from what I’m seeing out there in the land of You Tube. You’re clearly a good man, heart of gold, great Family Man, Amazing teacher! This does shine through in all your vids! I just watched your Manticore I.D video and it’s already helping me! Man, that’s some dedication! Overall, I’m grateful for your videos and everything you do. Keep on Trucking 🖐️
@@jasonandrews4750 Thanks Jason! That is a great point about the comments that people make. I didn't even consider that. So what I just did was make the older video "unlisted". This means you can access it if you have the link. Here is the link: ruclips.net/video/sXkLdq3juZU/видео.html
Sooooo, the Manticore does find gold?
50 % more power .....rofl
Well they DO have more power . I don't know about any other idiosyncrasies with it but the detectors are a little bit more powerful and do punch deeper.not much though
So I guess this is okay to miss tiny gold stuffs in general all terrain with a 2000$ detector? I'm amazed by how Minelab and XP can still still hit the market with high end machines or software upgrades not fully operational, on a 600$ machine I could understand but I would be pissed off If I had bought a Manti or a D2 right away, brand or price point does not mean anything today, waiting a year before buying any new machine is a thing to consider
No...just open the discrimination up. The presets come with trash rejection discrimination preset...it's a simple fix to edit a discrimination pattern.
@@tnbackroads Yes... My point is a high end machine shouldn't need a fix, no matter how easy it is, to find gold in a general program. As simple as that
The Nexus MP V3 wouldnt miss a thing
I always go “all metal”….always have and always will and I don’t find the machine to be chatty on the beach at all….? Maybe it’s perspective….I’m coming from the Legend
👍
What did MINELAB say???
Did you get smacked in the eye ? Looks black around it
So, use your ears instead of notches?
Yes! I have a series of videos, books called Target ID Bibles. I can summarize in a sentence. Every number is a possibility for treasure. Any target ID number is based on conductivity, alloy, thickness/volume of metal, surface area and shape. Target ID can help you infer but ears are the best way to differentiate.
the machine isn't going to do everything in every mode--that's why there are several. you use the word "tradeoff." but don't acknowledge how this might operate. this reject block acts to stabilize the detector at inland environmments by helping the machine to assign targets cleanly on one side or the other. You cant have that AND micro gold response. why have this conversation with yourself and drag the rest of us in? hmmm? attention, maybe?
Nailed it.
Just to much info out there. Like overload. Going to slow watching all this. To many are making mistakes on the new machines and the updates. It all over the place. Must be about the views not accurate info or how to use the machine yet, ie, not enough time on it. Not sure what’s going on anymore, a rush to get inaccurate info out,so to speak, so going to go out, learn behavior and stay off the tube for awhile. Nice vid M.
Accuracy and credibility builds trust. Trust builds viewership. Ive been wrong before and I assure you I will be wrong again. But like I did this time, Ill come out and say that I was wrong/missed an angle. Thanks for your long term support CZkidd!
@@MetalDetectingNYC your credibility has always been spot on. I do not question it. Nothing changes here other than there is quite a rush to get the best out of these complex platforms, to show the features and the mistakes are prevalent. Some of the top people are paddling back their comments and they do not know yet, if the performance is a plus or minus. That is the part I will slow down on and put away. To much back and forth at the moment. Will be good to see some strong videos out there once these features on these machines are proven. Always enjoy your vids and presentations. Don’t forget that. Looking forward to your next vid M.
😅 manticore loves pennies
Yep, 64
Schade das es keinen deutschen Untertitel gibt😢 würde gerne viel mehr und schneller lernen wollen über den Manticore. Trotzdem tolles Video
You need to learn the machine Merrill.
Common. You are not helping. Let everyone use that general program on the beach. I'll keep using the beach program😂
Extrim Discrimintion for eliminating Very low Conduktor like Wet Woody Roots Signal = Loss Small Gold
Dig more and Find's Better..😅
The manticore not only misses gold it misses everything with scrap around the good stuff
STAY AWAY FROM THIS DETECTOR UNTIL TGEY FIX IT!!!
As of 7-9-24 no fix still crap