Mathematically Correct Posture Break and Critical Damage Build | Elden Ring Patch 1.10
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0:00 Infinite Stagger & Critical Damage Build
0:49 Wanted DE4D
1:57 Poise Stance Posture?
2:40 Video Topics
2:59 WTF is a STANCE BREAK?
4:36 How CRITICAL damage works in Elden Ring
5:57 Generating INFINITE Critical Hits
8:39 BEST CRITICAL DAMAGE WEAPON
10:19 BUILD / STATS / GEAR
13:48 Setup & Buff Order
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THIS BUILD WAS CHANGED IN PATCH 1.10 PLEASE WATCH THIS INSTEAD
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Bad talisman idea: a talisman that allows you to see stance health bar
Nah that would be rlly nice
Botw Champion’s tunic style bar
It also could give +5% Stance Damage.
@@Lucifer_Nihilumit could also make you invincible
@@Lucifer_Nihilum there would be an exploit, probably related to dual wield & hammers.
I can't help but think that Syrobe would be a incredible nioh 2 build maker if he ever give it a try
ive considered expanding to other games like Diablo 4 nioh etc anything that has a RPG build system. problem is the RUclips algorithm would not favor that sort of content and likely shadowban my videos and preventing them from gaining views, other than elden ring since thats just how the algorithm works unfortunately :)
@@syrobe that's true changing content often gets less attention unfortunately, thanks for answering too!
@@syrobe Sounds like a time for a second channel.
@@sifthewolf2317yeah and for as much as I love Nioh 2, I gotta admit it’s dead now. And wo long seems not even as popular as it either :(
@@syrobe How feasible would it be to have seperate channels for different games? Too spliced to be effective?
I've grown to become a huge fan of your videos; I love Elden Ring dearly AND minmax math/theorycrafting in all kinds of RPG games and am just immensely pleased with your content :) I appreciate your hustle man, hope you get big enough where the algorithm allows you branch into other games but for now DOMINATE the Elden Ring space!
i always make content i enjoy, luckily i still enjoy making elden ring content and viewership wise it still does pretty well, ill likely switch games if the viewership ever just dies but its been solid for over a year now lmao glad you enjoy the stuff i make cuz thats all i want haha
9:00 hello, your math here missed very important hidden data:
Critical damage isn't just AR * crit%, because like any other attack the crits have an innate operator called motion value that multiplies the damage based on the weapon class (and sometimes the moveset if it's special), so the calculation would be AR * MV * crit%
For example, daggers have an innate 1.21 + 3.98 MV for the small and big damage ticks respectively when critting a big enemy (you could add them up for an easier total damage but you would be ignoring flat defenses being applied twice).
On the other hand, the greataxes have a 1.27 + 3.16 MV.
Applying this to your build would result in:
Misericorde. 456 * 1.4 * (1.21 and 3.98) = 773 and 2541
Executioner's greataxe. 796 * 1.15 * (1.27 and 3.16) = 1163 and 2678
In the end the executioner's greataxe still came out on top, but the multiplier on the misericorde is so obscene that maybe a different stat spread better suited for the misericorde or a different buff better than Royal Knight's Resolve exists for it to surpass the executioner's greataxe, for example something that adds flat damage, which would be more significant on the misericorde than on the executioner's.
I like your funny words, magic man
@@neoselket562
TL;DR:
- Ignoring some factors and having the same buffs on, the executioner's axe needs approximately 1.4x more base AR that the misericorde needs to do the same damage.
- Making other calculations, most builds completely focused on maxing crit damage for the executioner's would yield a 1.7x more AR over builds focused on misericorde.
So video dude was right, but I'm a nerd and can't trust things just because people say so.
@@Banana-senpaitell me What is motion value
@@paradoxer212 it's a different number that multiplies the raw AR for each different attack (usually associated to the attack animation performed, all weapons with the same animations usually have the same multiplier, therefore it is a "value for motion"), so it's what tells the game that a heavy attack should do more damage than a normal attack.
That's why you never deal the "damage" that shows on your weapon even against weak enemies, there's a hidden factor.
8:22 The perfecal critical hit damage. I love that sentence.
I remember running a Great Mace + Offhand Estoc build for coop back then. Great Mace for general punishes, damage and stance damage, and the Offhand Estoc for quick attacks that could be squeezed in to prevent the stance regen, and take back the aggro. I recommend trying it, honestly! Feels more like you have a proper light attack + heavy attack combo than usual.
I LOVE the executioners greataxe. I got it in a strength playthrough I had and I honestly think it's a super underrated weapon. It is quite annoying to farm but man that thing is a beast.
Took me about 25-30 tries to get the weapon. Showed my son where to farm it and he gets it first try. 🤦🏻♂️
@@LivelyChap oh yeah I was farming it for who knows how long. Farming weapons in these games is such a dice roll but that feeling when I finally get it is like no other.
son, are ya farming?@@LivelyChap
One small thing about the incant buffs. Using Flame, Grant Me Strength will only buff a weapon’s damage to a max of 20%, whether it has only physical damage, only fire damage, or both. 12:30-12:40 is incorrect.
That was very insightful. I came to really like stancebreak builds and will propbably include several of your ideas for my next Elden Ring run. But my favorite (just from a playstyle standpoint) is the dual wielded great stars. In general great hammers are amazing for melee style stance breaking since they nearly have the same stance damage as colossal weapons but only weigh half and can therefore be dual wielded. For my next run I want to try occult infused dual wielded great stars with dragon incantations to combine rot, bleed and stance break.
Ayy. I heard that Transcend Beat in the background at 8:50!
Great video! Will definitely try it out on another playthrough and might even use for helping against bosses in co-op.
glad you enjoyed it! however something i didnt mention is that all stance damage is reduced by 60% less poise damage in CO-OP
Great video. I use an Executioners GA for my lightening build, but didn't realize the crit numbers were so powerful.
Love it, already trying it. Just one note, golden vow incant is longer (80 sec).
Thank you for this and all your effort
Never watched a video that deserved a like and sub more than this. Amazing work man
Amazing fuckin video bro I’m so glad to see you’re doing well homie and love the content like always and mathematics is proof enough to show that build is OP the editing is amazing keep up the great work homie and I’ll always be supporting what you do this ER journey is great to watch and be there to witness.
Great work. Especially breaking down the duration of the different buffs. As a Souls Rookie I'm quite overwhelmed with sheer amount possibilities the game offers. 😅
Great video! I'd also recommend lightning rapier for anyone who wants to go with dex build. It's a great weapon overall and it deals insane amounts of critical damage.
Lovely video! Absolutely fantastic those numbers are ridiculous, you sir are putting your math degree to use haha
Cool video. I love how deep you go on this.
I was the one asking for it thank u man
You should make a mathematically correct stamina build (highest stamina + stamina regen) and see how long you can prelate's charge for! Also an endurance build would just be good because as in dnd: lots of attacks very quickly is very good. Also I found out that flame grant me strength and braggarts roar both increase stamina regen
yea i noticed you can see the same icon under your hp bar as the turtle neck! could be interesting
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I know this likely won't be a hugely popular idea, but I'd love to see a mathematically correct magma build. Been contemplating one but am very unsure how to go about it
could be interesting! magma is really just fire that scales with int rather than faith and most bosses are resistant to fire so thats probably why
@@syrobe I think another reason is because the spells are kinda wonky. The magma weapons (the whip and sword) I've seen people hold with good favor; the ashes of war are insane
Use magma shot with the best staff you have
Thats literally it
Great info and analysis. Thank you so much for sharing.
this is awesome. great video
Man, your builds and presentation are first rate. I really enjoy them. thank you!
There are also sleep wake up critical hits, im not sure if those are treated the same as stance break ones or back stabs, and their not reliable to trigger verse bosses, but fun all the same :)
I’d like to know the best Crit weapon that can use Prayerful Strike.
Just because I want an OP healing build. Crits with the Crimson Assassin Dagger. Maybe the Godskin Swaddling cloth if it’s fast. Prayerful strike +30% Health.
mix it with crimson amber Medalion + Erdtree favour for extra total health for the percentage heals.
Return of the king
Yo keep it coming 👍👍👍
Didn’t know I needed to try a cosmic executioner build next
One thing that i'm interested in with this game is how would one distribute all armour / weapons / ashes among the classes so each one has the best theme appropriate toolkit and minimisings duplicate weapons and each build is unique.
That way i can sell stuff that a character will never use since i know one of my other characters will use it. Not really essential but ots a nice puzzle am trying to solve with the games large item sets.
Example being my confessor character using twinblades, crossbows and the assassin spells like darkness; but she also can use godskin, black knife, and crucible stuff.
Its a fun way to build builds.
I love this! Little tweak request? Your poise defense is below the recommended 51 poise for PVE and well below the recommended 81 poise for PVP. Do you have a better armor recommendation for your own defensive poise? Trying to keep a medium roll speed but I also don't mind over leveling or using the level 150 meta to make it work.
It should be easy with a 150 build. There's near infinite combinations of armor you could use to get to 51. Just put extra points into endurance.
I always go to 150, sometimes a couple levels over to make a stat a round number because it bothers me to have like 19 dex or 9 faith. Lol. It doesn't improve the build any, just better for my mental health. Haha
But there are a few sets and certain pieces of armor that have good poise to weight ratio. Personally I rarely get to 51 with a lot of my builds since they are hybrids and stat distribution is already stretched. So I typically go for higher defense to weight ratio to make up for reductions from talismans...most of the good ones reduce your damage taken. So it helps offset that.
I'm not good enough to say armor doesn't matter, but I'm almost good enough to say poise doesn't matter a lot. As long as you can dodge successive attacks, your own stance bar will replenish.
For pvp it's a different story. But pve as long as you can survive attacks and make space a few seconds you should be good. I think there is too much focus on poise in pve, I only get stance broken if I make bad mistakes, aside from certain bosses that have gotten me good a few times
The Knight set from the merchants at the roundtable grants 51 poise
I think it's so cool to see the Executioner Greataxe being used here. I used two of them for pretty much my entire playthrough. I really liked spamming the double axe jumping attack to break enemy stances and get the critical hit. But I didn't know that it had the highest critical hit damage in the game. That's nice to hear.
Doubt youll see this but id love to see a roar build put together after the talisman changes and all the weird hidden values with roars. There really isnt a roar build or roar deep dive on the internet at the moment and trust me ive looked hard. Fextralife has a couple builds that use roars but nothing like your calculated and researched builds.
While Radahn is the enemy with the most poise life at 200, there is one thing with more poise than it.
The Crystallian Ashes summon has 350 poise, almost double that of Radahn's
EDIT : Actually, Radahn isn't the tankiest enemy.
A few enemies have poise multipliers that reduce the poise damage taken by them.
Fortissax has a 60% reduction to poise damage, making their 140 poise equivalent to 350, already higher than Radahn's, though hitting the head doubles the poise damage dealt by the hit.
NThe Night's Cavalry has an 80% reduction, making their 80 poise equivalent to 400, and summoning the horse instantly refills it.
And the Ancient Dragon of Farum Azula has the same reduction, making their 120 poise equivalent to 600, and the same weakspot as Fortissax, meaning that even with perfect aim it has an effective 300 poise, 50% more than Radahn.
Keep in mind that the poise damage reduction does not affect the poise refill timer ( which is 5 second for enemies with 65 poise, and is increased or decreased proportionally to poise, meaning 15 poise ( the lowest in the game ) refills after a bit over a second and 200 poise ( Radahn ) after around 15 seconds ) nor the 15 poise/second regeneration rate once it expires, so this makes those enemies even tankier.
Also, poise damage dealt to players and player-like NPCs works exactly the same as poise damage dealt to players. Yes, even if a player with 65 poise isn't as tanky as a 65 poise enemy.
That's because the character status screen is a liar. Your poise isn't 65, it's 6,5, because it multiplies by 10 the real value before showing it.
There is another difference between enemy and player poise, and it is that the poise refill timer is hardlocked at 30 seconds, and the refill is instant instead of 15/second
My source here is Illusory Wall's 2 videos about poise, a great watch and great channel if you like soulsborne science.
i dont see where you found information regarding the poise reduction, it would be helpful to link directly to it!
@@syrobe It's Illusory Wall's second video about poise, like I said at the end of my comment, titled "Elden Rind Dissected #7 - Answering 20 Questions About Poise"
Edit : Tried linking to the video, reply got deleted
@@draghettis6524 No im saying i skimmed through the video but they dont mention anything about poise reduction AFAIK. they said only poise reduction that happens is when you summon players to help you fight a boss.
@@syrobe You're watching the first video
I specifically mentioned that there are 2 of them.
So fun fact, in Dark souls 3, the best crit weapon was the Black Knight Greataxe, so I'm not surprised its yet again a great axe. And its for the exact same reason. Really high AR. Though in DS3 theres also a ring that increased crit damage, which actually made the animation longer and with an extra hit. (2-3 instead of 1-2 depending on the weapon)
If you wear lord of blood exultation and white mask using sepuku, is it the same damage that with the fetid pot ??
We need the min maxed max level version for oneshotting everything in ng+7
Just find your channel, very high quality content. Subscribed.
Id love to see you make a build with the Ghiza wheel! Its honestly one of the most broken weapons this patch imo.
Is it? I haven't tried it. I'm almost at volcano manor this go around on an arcane/ bleed Build. Haven't decided what other stat to spec into besides arcane yet though. Waiting till I decide on a weapon. I use reduvia and mohgs spear...(new game, I took him out after getting to his area without realizing it would lock me out of the white mask...oh well)
So far they both have their uses, the spear is great aow and for enemies that keep dodging reduvia blood blade or are hard to stay close to
But I got the ghiza wheel on my other playthroughs, int and faith runs. And looked up if it was good for later runs. But with all the patches it's hard to know what videos are accurate when they test the weapons and rank them.
Amazing video ✌
Thanks ✌
I would like to see this build on an ancient dragon on ng+7 in multiplayer with 2 other ppl but only you attacking.
My Man 💪 superb video thx for the hard work bro
I share your passion for the game, although I'm not this talented, your videos are always fantastic, and we can see how much effort goes into them plz don't stop.
hey man you dont need to be talented, i just love making videos so i try to put a lot of effort into them. as long as you enjoy thats all that matters
Hey, big fan. Thanks for doing this.
Hey, thanks!
I haven't touched elden ring in months, this may give me a reason too tho! Awesome work
Love your content! Big thumbs up to you bro
Guy who made and maintains the sheet at 6:33 here. Just wanted to clear up something said at 4:50. The critical values shown in the menu for weapons is a multiplier to the attack power of the weapon (critical / 100 = multiplier), which is also multiplied by the critical attack's motion value (this is factored into the motion values of critical attacks on my sheet).
The distinction between an attack power multiplier and a damage multiplier is important because the former is applied *before* defense formula, making those more potent than the latter, which are applied after.
Interesting! Good to hear from you, I was curious because I know the math says the Misericorde *should* do more damage on the fextralife wiki but i tested it and the Mis actually does less damage than the executioners!
Would your statement be the result why the Misericorde does less damage and can you confirm if it does deal less damage than the Executioners ? (when performing a stance break riposte)
if you can give me your discord # we can talk more there as id love to learn more
@@syrobe youtube keeps eating my replies, doesn't seem to like me providing my discord for some reason.
Miseri will out perform Executioner's for the crits used in PvP and enemies that share those crit animations, but the larger stuff uses different crit attacks that have a smaller gap in motion value between weapon classes so Executioner's is able to gap Miseri in those cases.
Yeah, really does not like my sharing username for that; it's the same as my @ on here, but all lowercase.
Away from desktop for at least a week, though, so I'm limited on what data I've got access to currently (mildly annoyed that I won't be able to update my sheets for the patch as quickly as I'd like 😔).
@@CryptidTracker gotcha! yea i noticed something was going on, fextra life included data on the motion values but not the difference between bosses and players
So what's the best now? From what I hear, lion claw has 6x which gives giant crusher 42, but straight swords with the 8x square off have by by default 40. Is there any better? Because otherwise it seems those 2 are supreme.
Another amazing video!
Hi! I was wondering...wich is the most broken Op build you can do early , or to be more precise,without defeating end game difficult bosses? I can sweat some of the mid game bosses but couldn't defeat other likes Loretta... Thank you for the help!
watch my other video ruclips.net/video/rlnWiTHjDc0/видео.html
The video gave a lot of great info on crits and helped me out a lot. Although I cant help correcting you on the crit multipliers. A 110 crit multipler actually adds a 100% damage boost. For every 10 over 100 your crits do +100% damage. therefore the misericorde will do a little under 2k damage. Still the executioners greataxe is the best strength scaling crit weapon.
i dont think thats how it works or where you got that information from SO please read the top part of the spreadsheet ive updated it with the math to show that the misericorde is less damage than the executioners greataxe
i think the math is wrong on Fextralife or something is wrong because what you are saying makes sense but when you ACTUALLY do the riposte the total damage from the misericorde is LESS than the executioners great axe
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1j6rZZma1LpwTPRCpAL2Q-2hzJPdJFsQynPq-KTcKQmY/edit#gid=0
Thank you for doing actual testing. Been doing misericorde builds forever and I think a lot of it is based off of false info. Fextra says daggers have 4.0 multi by default on riposte so 5.6 total, but like you said ACTUALLY using it seems to be different vs greataxe. You used the same affinity/stats when testing misericorde vs exec. greataxe I assume@@syrobe
Ayo ignore my other comment. Clicked your doc and found the updated video where you tested them after the 1.10 buffs. I see why you might get annoyed at people commenting about misericorde but like every source of info on the internet is wrong about it and it's crazy you're the 1 person even on youtube clearly testing it and showing it vs greataxe. Thanks for the testing man. Subbed for this.@
How does this compare with the stance break of the specral lance AoW on a heavy lance?
how effective was the Miséricorde? Although Ex Sword did the most massive damage, did the dagger still perform well or was it too lackluster in general?
i think the misericorde is best for PVP but gets outshined in PVE by the executioners
this friggin slaps
I don't want to minmax the stance break because this is just my second elden ring playthrough (NG+1) but i'm going to try and cracked tear and the wing of astle. is there other crit weapons that are strength based that is good?
For anyone wondering, the wing of astel part is basically an exploit which might have been because of a bug.
This has already been patched out by Fromsoftware and no longer works.
I tried following this guide and it didnt work at all.
You da Goat🙏🏼
So I was trying this out last night but with no buffs whatsoever and on a regular giant/troll. The one outside the Third church of Marika. Wing of Astel did not posture break him. Figured it would since he’s a more normal opponent and not a boss. Is this just boss-specific or do I need all the buffs for normal NPCs as well?
I approve of this my padawan you have deemed yourself worthy of a subscription from the almighty RICK.
Would be interested in seeing an updated "add-on" video including the new stuff we got from the DLC, like the crit talisman for example.
Could you make a hands of melania build?
bro, wtf was this timing. Top tier video but damn sometimes your timing hurts me xD
RIP xD
@@theycallmesquishyyy7007 thanks .-.
@@Zercanyando you know syrobe or something? because that timing was sus af
Great video man! I already enjoy using the Executioner's Greataxe in PvP, but might have to go for a PvP one shot build with some of these buff tips 💪 💥
Maybe add a bleed setup then use seppuku and hot swap to the poison setup or vice versa to stack buffs even more? And possibly use howl of shabriri too.
would be very impractical to do that, the buffs i use either synergize extremely well or take very little set up time
@@syrobe fair enough I was merely looking at min maxing this to it's fullest potential
@@Lodestone8 its ok! for my builds, minmaxing should be something that just works without stacking 20 different buffs. at that point your build doesnt really matter because any other build would do similar damage with enough buffs stacked on top
@@syrobe fair enough.
The sword the crucible knights use brake stances in 1 hit
I've seen alot covered 😮 now I'm curious if ya could mathematically maximize magma damage and sorceries
syrobe and titus actual carry the build game in elden ring
Unfortunately, I hadn't thoroughly reviewed the patch notes, however, when I attempted to break the stance of a dragon, I accidentally killed the dragon with the Wing of Astel's Ash of War before the dragon's stance had even been broken. Was it a skill issue or did I miss something?
Posture bar mod shows enemy stance in a tasteful way. Best elden ring mod that should have been in the base game.
you say you dont know how you are going to top this but the next one is going to be better in every way 💪
This video just made me remember old flame of the redmanes and I just become sad as they butchered my boy, my sweet sweet broken OP boy
Why am I only now seeing this video in my feed?
youtube alhorithm is weird
whats the top 5 crit weapons since its likely
executioner Great Axe
misericorde
Rapier
sacred ritual sword
death ritual?
I hope he revisits this build and tries some of the dlc weapons and buffs
Was anyone else subbed since syrobe was below 1k subs
Me at 20 seconds: calling 911.
ur awesome man!
thanks bro glad you enjoyed!
This is Amazing 🤩
isnt the glintstone phalanx ash of war better for stance dmg?
Can you somehow use a similar setup with an Occult build or that's just much worse?
Do you have any good substitutes for the wing of astel
just use that its really good
@@syrobe ok thanks for the advice I appreciate it
A Comment, for the algorithm!
Amazing video! You might make me play through the game another time lmao
thanks bro i try to put a ton of effort into these videos!
what is the name of the mode that shows the poise bar ?
Radahn stance is the strongest after Malenia took his legs still. Imagine his strenght at peak condition.
I followed you shortly after launch. Love your videos. I haven't come back to ER in a bit, but still watch all of your mathematically correct builds lol
i remember you haha good to see youre still kickin!
Huh, FROM really saw you upload this and decided: "This isn't strong enough, let's make it even better" lol
they NERFED IT TOO THIS BUILD WAS CHANGED IN PATCH 1.10 PLEASE WATCH THIS INSTEAD
ruclips.net/video/TmouyRYnJvw/видео.html
@@syrobe I just finished the new vid, I thought I was going insane when the WoA felt so much worse but it turns out I wasn't lol. Thanks for such a quick upload about the changes!
@@frostnateTHANK GOD IT ISNT JUST ME ❤
Is there a reason you use the Black Knife set other than aesthetics? The Spellblade set increases damage from magic dealing ashes of war (Wing of Astel) by 2% per item worn. Just a thought…
Haha stagger go brrrrr
How Sure are you of the equation you made 9:02 to deduce the Executioner is better? Using the same equation on weapons with a crit value of 100 means that the equation is basically 2xAR, which is not what I experience whenever I crit with a 100 crit weapon.
Subtle stab at Greenland
Have you thought about Baldurs Gate 3? The build possibilities in that game are mind boggling.
Most impressive!
Does stance increase in ng+ for bosses?
I am a bit sad that even in the place where they are supposed to excel, daggers get beat by other weapons... I was just hoping daggers would be the best at something for once with this game given that swift step/bhs is so good for backstabs in PVE.
Crazy good video quality
Maybe you should take on some of the more unpopular builds, I wonder how a perfect death sourcerer would look like?
Do you know if these numbers got nerfed ? Want to try against consort radahn
Good video