I agree.. this movie set the stage for the future in 1982... and was one of my reasons for getting into computers and computer graphics and Gaming and Cgi.. its sad because the movie is amazing..
@@eyegorerc9888 Actually Blade Runner was a massive flop when it was originally released and lost money at the box office. @Ajollynerd I totally agree, they definitely need to give these guys the accolade they so much definitely earned and deserve.
a lot of people say 'tron looked good... for it's time' which kinda bothers me. tron looks good, period. a good special effect is not just about cutting edge technology, but about beauty and design. the tech can evolve and 'inprove', but if an fx it's well designed and aesthetically pleasing, it will never look outdated. this film is as beautifull today as it was back in 1982.
Hence why I often love cartoony looking ed video games more than realistic looking ones regardless of when they were made. The most low poly cartoony graphics on a playstation or n64 can still look good from an aesthetic perspective. A lot of it has to do with color choices, camera angles, all that sort of stuff from film making. Same goes with movies. While you can sometimes see how low resolution the textures in the first Toy Story are, it still looks good, especially the lighting. One of my favorite parts of that movie's look is just how warm the scenes look during sunset as well as the character designs. I think I'll stop here because I could go on about this all day lol.
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TRON was spellbinding to me as a young teen seeing it inside the movie theatre. I sat there absolutely hypnotized by it and when it ended I was literally unable to move and so I just sat there and waited for it to start again. I have never forgotten that and it is by far my most favorite film of all time. When I turned 18 I left Texas for Hollywood with my own vector drawings of ideas inspired by TRON and a dream of working at Ables and Associates. I had spoken on the phone numerous times to them as well as Magi in New York and was sure I understood what was needed to get hired as a computer graphics artist. I had even contacted Steven Lisberger's office and was going to show up there as well. Long story short, it was an adventure with a girlfriend that ended up becoming more of a comical farce with us trying to navigate Hollywood and find an apartment and temporary jobs. We were very naive and ended up running out of money and returning home before I ever made it to the doorsteps of anyone who worked on TRON, but I was a dreamer and the intention was certainly there... we just had no idea of how hard it would be to set ourselves up in Hollywood and we didn't have enough cash to see it through. I'll never forget that adventure and how much this film influenced me as a young man. It's a brilliant piece of art. Thank you for posting this for others to see. I love this film so much :-)
you aren't alone. many of us went through the same things. couldnt just sen out an email with a link to your reel. had to sit there and make each one, one after the other for an entire day. go to siggrapph and see them toss your VHS on top of the pile.even on the later days when the industry started breaking up in California for the tax breaks. some people even got caught up in the DD studio in Florida and packed up their lives and hit the road, just to get a call halfway there that the studio shut down. there goes your moving expenses and your future. then make the decision to work in Vancouver or keep traveling all over the world on contracts. Then dipping my toes in the commercial scene and it rocks your soul. crushing deadlines, extreme pressure and surprises around every corner (as in 'we lost the client, youre fired'). hope you settled into something though.
Dictaphone Diaries it had that same effect on me I just sat there thinking about what I had just been exposed to for quite some time before the ushers came and asked me and my dad to leave or pay again, it had an effect on my dad too as he bought me a zx spectrum for Christmas that year, but being affected by the film so much I had gone out and earned enough pocket money from washing cars and odd jobs I was able to buy my own days before he got me one him self, so I ended up with a spare one which came in handy as the one I had got blew months after the guarantee ran out, long story short I own my own software company in the UK, a holiday 10 bedroomed house in Scotland and a house in Manchester where my company is, hard work but I got there, that was also while having kids at the age of 17 to so the girlfriend did slow things down but didn't stop it.
Wow, it really inspired you, sorry it didn’t lead to your dream job but better to have tried and failed than always wonder what might have been, success ain’t as easy as folks think, is it.
One of the movies that made me pursue computer animation later on, starting on the Amiga 1000 in '85. Also RIP Syd Mead, greatest of all futurists and one of the finest industrial designers of the last century.
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It’s incredible for any time. The end product is art, not a performance test. The design of the world creatures and vehicles are beautiful and mystical in that way only really good artists master. It more than holds up, it trounces anything anyone would be allowed to make today.
I was born in 1999 and discovered the Tron franchise like 3 months ago and I have to I really enjoyed the graphics and design of the 1982 movie. It captivated me how simple, but well-throughthought and harmonious at the same time the grid looked. It definitely looks outdated, but not crappy or poorly executed.
in 1982 a lot of kids had zx spectrums or C64s and learnt to code to squeeze the most out of them, and then TRON happened and it completely blew our minds, and the soundtrack was outstanding, too. So that's why I'm in CGI. All because of this ^$*\%&^ movie.
18:03 As someone who works with CG this is crazy and insane what they had to do back then. I respect what these guys had to go through without all the high end tech we have today.
This film inspired my career, and I'm very proud to have worked with many of these guys on films, and met some of the older (RIP) ones back in college. Some great memories was Bob Abel bringing in his card box box of VHS tapes to show me his tests and renders from Tron and walking with Syd Mead in the rain in Italy.
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One of my favourite visual aspects of the original Tron digital world - and it's something many digital worlds did back in the 80s - was to have the 'sky' look permanently like the kind you see at dusk on a clear summer evening. Mostly dark, with that subtle glowing line at the horizon. I just thought that always looked SO magical and wonderful.
That's something I often noticed in tech-centered imagery and computer graphics alike that were made in the 80s. If it wasn't a clear dark blue sky, it was a star field, like you're in a digital version of outer space. I imagine there was a lot of inspiration from the space race era from the 50s and 60s involved in all that, especially if the designer grew up in those eras. The futuristic = outer space theme was still kinda there in those days from the looks of it. And yeah, there is a very magical feel to those kinds of aesthetics from the 80s.
I love Tron when i was a small kid. Was just so impressed with the visuals. Now who would of thought that I'm now a VFX artist myself haha. I can tell you this much, i'm much more impressed with how they achieved the visual effects shots with the technology they had back then than now. Now i'm pretty sure the execution is fast and even more pretty VFX. But back then, it was quite a struggle but they managed to create some awesome stuff and did the best they could and it's still a beautiful film to me. It was inspiring and It was super under appreciated back then. I think the new generation now will dig this movie or at least more understanding of the plot more because the terminologies of the computers is much more known now in us then the general people back in the 80s. And I'm still mad that Academy Awards that year disqualified the film in the visual effects category because to them, using computers for films back then was considered as 'cheating'. It was just ahead of its time that no one could fully grasp what the technical achivements it was doing at the time.
Should have gotten the Oscar. You can't make up the intense labor these poor animators and computer technicians underwent to produce four seconds of 70mm film footage for Tron.
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In today's world of films where every shot has CGI and people just take special effects for granted, it's hard to look back and really see how brilliant this movie was for its time. They invented rendering techniques that are still used today, and spent hours and hours rendering single frames that could be churned out by today's computers in seconds or less. Given what they had to work with at the time, the resulting film that Tron became is an absolute marvel. These guys all deserve huge kudos for pulling it off so brilliantly.
I have an avarage PC and some games like Rocket League that sometimes looks close to this style. My computer renders around 120fps. 120! Frames PER SECOND! ;) Not to meantion other games especially with the Unreal Enigne. Thats why they use this in Movies already as real time background projection instead of green/blue screens
@@Stinktierchen even your phone can render semi realistic vehicles real time nowadays. crazzy how much potential were in computer graphics we couldn't imagine before 2009. Almost 30 years after Tron.
10 minutes per frame. Wow. Now this sort of thing could EASILY be rendered in realtime on even the cheapest graphics card. But, that's progress! [By the way, there were some scenes in Toy Story, such as when Buzz first meets the gang on top of Andy's bed, that took 24 HOURS per frame to render!]
@@BrienMalone Yep, came across that one a few months ago. Excellent work! For 2025, I'd kind of like to see Pixar re-do the graphics for _Toy Story_ for its 30th anniversary with all the advancements that have been made since then. They could even render it with left and right views for true 3D presentation in theaters. I would totally go see that again in theaters even though I've literally seen it 50 times.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere If we are in a simulation it probably wouldn't be rendered but instead be dreamed up with neural networks like how Stable Diffusion and Midjourney create beautiful art.
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I'm not a flat earther, but if you look at the videos from the landings there's nothing that resembles cgi it could have been possible in a movie set for sure. Cgi implies computer animation and if you were to recreate the landings in film flying wouldn't need cgi.
Seeing this movie in a theater for the first time, it really immersed me. I felt the expanse of the digital world and it was a mesmerizing environment. I wanted more. I am still amazed at the extreme work and creativity needed to make this movie . Imagine a 4K remaster surround with a modern digital cleanup...
Without excessive DNR or edge sharpening. Flicker elimination from the matted shots would be interesting, but would be a time-consuming process for the master completed film. If all the individual film negs existed, that would take longer to individually re-scan but would look even more impressive. Then again, the flicker and unevenness does more to add to the movie.
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I can remember doing some ray tracing on the original Amiga computers (14 mHz 68000) taking 3 hours per frame. I later made a 30 second tv ad for the store that took a couple days to render out on a 68030 machine.
10 minutes was actually quite fast. I don't think production renders are much faster now. When I played around with ray tracing in the mid 90's, it took my humble 486 many hours to render a single picture.
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Was this part of the "Making of Tron" Documentary? I recognize the backgrounds from the latter half of the video, but don't recall the first half nor the exact topics they discussed.
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Computer simulation, three-space -- fun to see the lack of standardized terminology. "Simulation" is used far more frequently than "render". Also amazed that the motion trajectories were not computed at keypoints and interpolated in between with a simplified schematic view of the trajectory (e.g., 2D top-down and side views, or even a basic 3D wireframe with cubes as stand-ins for objects). I would imagine that even back then, this would have been simple to produce and worth the time-cost trade-off to implement on an 8-bit PC.
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Each company has their own hot rod... That right there is where it all went wrong. That statement was a true statement of the golden era, now money is thrown at "the best solution" instead of each company having their unique "hot rod" that set them apart from the rest. I really hope one day media starts to steer back toward that direction
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This movie knocked my socks off when I first saw it. All the coin-ops back then were 2D and this movie just blows. I can't believe Academy were so naive back then. How time had changed since then.
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I loved this movie as a child (and still do), and to this day still know the exact moment I'd have to get up and flip the video disk (CED) to side two any time I watched it. I'm so used to it that it's weird to not have that break in it when going back to it now. (it's not all that long after breaking out of the light-cycle arena during the escape, when all three come to the sudden stop just before the 'cliffs' edge) Looking back on it now with a better understanding of the limits of rendering at the time, I feel "pushing the technology to it's limits" is an understatement.
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Till this day I think the cyberworld created here is better than the one in Tron Legacy. I felt like this is what the inside of a chip would look like in the shots with the actors
At 20:06 it restarts midway through. I saw TRON on VHS back in the mid 80's. I absolutely loved it. It's great to see this making of. Its amazing to see how far we've come. Thank you.
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I was 12 when I saw Tron in the theater. I was confused through much of the movie. I wanted to like it because I loved video games and it was hyped so much on tv. But the story was too complicated for me. There was a disconnect between the medium of film, and the overwhelming amount of CGI that the actors and the script couldn't overcome. I appreciate what they tried to do and what they accomplished though. It's worth revisiting for a bit when it comes on tv.
Bill Schlafly I was 13 when Tron came out and it was my first experience with “the book was better.” It was the first time I had ever read a novel based on a film. And throughout watching it for the first time, I kept thinking “but they left out the part where...”. The movie felt like it was rushing the story in parts and I was glad to have understood the plot better having read the book. Still enjoyed the movie, but could have been lost too, without the background. Same thing happened more recently with The Martian.
@@waldokind although I think The Martian captured most of the book very well. Although I wish they would have left the first line of the book in the film. "I'm fucked"
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Really impressive, all the pioneering the men did! I use after affects from time to time and it's hard to picture that the didn't have the keyframes options to do automatic animation from point A to point B. A very important movie for many industries. Great video and a humble homage to the work they did!
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I remember being an 8 year old when this film came out in theaters. I wanted my own light cycle, disc, outfit, all of it. I just totally fell in love with the entire aesthetic and world of Tron.
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If I ever hear any of my animators complain about how hard it is to do something in Maya or C4D, lol.... *shakes fists*. This movie inspired an entire career and still a fave! Should definitely be awards an Oscar retroactively... they did at least get recognized as the first movie to ever use CGI.
@05:32 #SydMead ftw! 👍 @06:19 it amazes me how he describes the lightcycles in his vision for the original 1982 release but we wouldn't fully see his concept till 2010 in #TronLegacy. 😮 The rider was always intended to be a part of the shape of the lightcycle. 👍
When I listen to what they say, back then as much as now people don't grasp the possibilities of parallel computing. Your graphics card is a computer. Even if it doesn't have a 3D engine of its own, you can load one on there. Your network card can also is a computer. It can run your Internet server without issuing any delay when you do other stuff with the rest of your computer. People teaching computer science have no idea of what their computers can do and with the lack of proper scheduling algorythms, instead making use of semi-random intercutting between programs, even make sure you can't read out your device manuals that are actually on your devices. It's stupid. For video-games the programmers get that it needs to be realtime 3D rendering, but artists have to be patient, as if it's okay to make you wait for half an hour before your stroke materializes on your canvas. It's just stupid.
I'm no expert, but I'd be willing to say free if not really cheap. I feel even the cheapest animation software out there would probably be more powerful then what they had back then.
Ten minutes to render a frame! Based on what I read about this one cg artist (can't remember the name, but the same one who made the album cover for Rockit by Herbie Hancock) and how long it took for 3D imagery to render on the mainframes he used in the 70s, I figured it'd take a long time to animate the graphics from TRON as you had to photograph each frame, animating computer imagery like you would with cels in a sense. From 45 minutes to an hour in the 70s to 10 minutes in the early 80s in a time from shortly before real time cg animation was possible. Pretty amazing stuff here. Watched TRON several years ago, and I loved it. The atmosphere, the music, everything! So it's real nice to see a behind the scenes look at it. ^_^
I love how like this one vs the legacy seems like a game updating over time- looking at it now you’d be like “oh the graphics suck” but they helped create new opportunities for the future films that used the 3D tech- it’s p damn cool
What was funny my tube TV was set to maximum colour saturation so for like 10 years I always thought it was green and orange lol (should be blue and red)
What were they thinking with the frisbee data disk idea? “Imagine a data disk with all sorts of valuable data on it that would be really shitty to lose, and you throw it at your enemy as a weapon hoping it somehow gets back to you” 🎉
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Thanks for posting! It's refreshing to see and hear documentaries not blaring muzak in the background, changing camera angles or distances every 2 seconds, and with people saying full words like "technology" and not just the vague diminutives ("tech" in this instance.)
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This movie reminds me about game called "dots" with red and blue dots on a hash paper ^^ A basic interface grid which is seems to be using in 99% of a software
I still say this movie was robbed of an Oscar. The Academy needs to give them a retroactive Oscar for the cutting-edge effects they created.
eh.
I agree.. this movie set the stage for the future in 1982... and was one of my reasons for getting into computers and computer graphics and Gaming and Cgi.. its sad because the movie is amazing..
blade runner totally robbed them.
@@eyegorerc9888 Actually Blade Runner was a massive flop when it was originally released and lost money at the box office. @Ajollynerd I totally agree, they definitely need to give these guys the accolade they so much definitely earned and deserve.
The “Academy”...that’s kinda like Kiss and Ted Nugent not being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Great time of smart people...
Ok if their's no sun in the virtual world, why name one of the vehicles Solar Sailer? Why not named it Satellite Sailor.
a lot of people say 'tron looked good... for it's time' which kinda bothers me. tron looks good, period. a good special effect is not just about cutting edge technology, but about beauty and design. the tech can evolve and 'inprove', but if an fx it's well designed and aesthetically pleasing, it will never look outdated. this film is as beautifull today as it was back in 1982.
The hockey helmets date it a bit. I agree though looks as great now as it did then. Truly groundbreaking film making
@@ShardsOfNarsil there was Hockey in Tron? I thought it was JaiLai.
Exactly. 40+ years later you can tell the level of detail with which the movie was made. It’s a masterpiece
Hence why I often love cartoony looking ed video games more than realistic looking ones regardless of when they were made. The most low poly cartoony graphics on a playstation or n64 can still look good from an aesthetic perspective. A lot of it has to do with color choices, camera angles, all that sort of stuff from film making. Same goes with movies. While you can sometimes see how low resolution the textures in the first Toy Story are, it still looks good, especially the lighting. One of my favorite parts of that movie's look is just how warm the scenes look during sunset as well as the character designs. I think I'll stop here because I could go on about this all day lol.
I liked it a lot.
“Without Tron, there wouldn’t be any Toy Story”. This is so true!
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TRON was spellbinding to me as a young teen seeing it inside the movie theatre. I sat there absolutely hypnotized by it and when it ended I was literally unable to move and so I just sat there and waited for it to start again. I have never forgotten that and it is by far my most favorite film of all time. When I turned 18 I left Texas for Hollywood with my own vector drawings of ideas inspired by TRON and a dream of working at Ables and Associates. I had spoken on the phone numerous times to them as well as Magi in New York and was sure I understood what was needed to get hired as a computer graphics artist. I had even contacted Steven Lisberger's office and was going to show up there as well. Long story short, it was an adventure with a girlfriend that ended up becoming more of a comical farce with us trying to navigate Hollywood and find an apartment and temporary jobs. We were very naive and ended up running out of money and returning home before I ever made it to the doorsteps of anyone who worked on TRON, but I was a dreamer and the intention was certainly there... we just had no idea of how hard it would be to set ourselves up in Hollywood and we didn't have enough cash to see it through. I'll never forget that adventure and how much this film influenced me as a young man. It's a brilliant piece of art. Thank you for posting this for others to see. I love this film so much :-)
you aren't alone. many of us went through the same things. couldnt just sen out an email with a link to your reel. had to sit there and make each one, one after the other for an entire day. go to siggrapph and see them toss your VHS on top of the pile.even on the later days when the industry started breaking up in California for the tax breaks. some people even got caught up in the DD studio in Florida and packed up their lives and hit the road, just to get a call halfway there that the studio shut down. there goes your moving expenses and your future. then make the decision to work in Vancouver or keep traveling all over the world on contracts. Then dipping my toes in the commercial scene and it rocks your soul. crushing deadlines, extreme pressure and surprises around every corner (as in 'we lost the client, youre fired'). hope you settled into something though.
Dictaphone Diaries it had that same effect on me I just sat there thinking about what I had just been exposed to for quite some time before the ushers came and asked me and my dad to leave or pay again, it had an effect on my dad too as he bought me a zx spectrum for Christmas that year, but being affected by the film so much I had gone out and earned enough pocket money from washing cars and odd jobs I was able to buy my own days before he got me one him self, so I ended up with a spare one which came in handy as the one I had got blew months after the guarantee ran out, long story short I own my own software company in the UK, a holiday 10 bedroomed house in Scotland and a house in Manchester where my company is, hard work but I got there, that was also while having kids at the age of 17 to so the girlfriend did slow things down but didn't stop it.
@Chris McRoy :D love this comment
it still looks "beautiful", there was something above the technique
Wow, it really inspired you, sorry it didn’t lead to your dream job but better to have tried and failed than always wonder what might have been, success ain’t as easy as folks think, is it.
One of the movies that made me pursue computer animation later on, starting on the Amiga 1000 in '85.
Also RIP Syd Mead, greatest of all futurists and one of the finest industrial designers of the last century.
He also did visuals for _Blade Runner_ .
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So, this was the original 'Matrix'
Or at least the closest thing they had at the time.
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This was incredible for a 1982 movie.
It’s incredible for any time. The end product is art, not a performance test.
The design of the world creatures and vehicles are beautiful and mystical in that way only really good artists master. It more than holds up, it trounces anything anyone would be allowed to make today.
@@Frisenette agreed! Rewatched it tonight and still holds up!
@@Frisenette Yes. I saw it on a panoramic screen on 82 and I was blown away. Star Wars or Avatar didn't even come close.
I was born in 1999 and discovered the Tron franchise like 3 months ago and I have to I really enjoyed the graphics and design of the 1982 movie. It captivated me how simple, but well-throughthought and harmonious at the same time the grid looked. It definitely looks outdated, but not crappy or poorly executed.
@Yami-no-Kami Technology inevitably dates. It's the same reason why good gameplay keeps old games more interesting than just what the games look like.
just 10 years later we would be watching jurassic park.
madness
The difference between me and someone I consider to be old is about 10 years.
10 years. Wow. That puts it into perspective.
And 10 years after that, Lord of The Rings
and after that Avatar ;)
in 1982 a lot of kids had zx spectrums or C64s and learnt to code to squeeze the most out of them, and then TRON happened and it completely blew our minds, and the soundtrack was outstanding, too. So that's why I'm in CGI. All because of this ^$*\%&^ movie.
Thank you for posting. Very interesting.
18:03 As someone who works with CG this is crazy and insane what they had to do back then. I respect what these guys had to go through without all the high end tech we have today.
This film inspired my career, and I'm very proud to have worked with many of these guys on films, and met some of the older (RIP) ones back in college. Some great memories was Bob Abel bringing in his card box box of VHS tapes to show me his tests and renders from Tron and walking with Syd Mead in the rain in Italy.
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ooh what I wouldn't give to see those renders.
One of my favourite visual aspects of the original Tron digital world - and it's something many digital worlds did back in the 80s - was to have the 'sky' look permanently like the kind you see at dusk on a clear summer evening. Mostly dark, with that subtle glowing line at the horizon. I just thought that always looked SO magical and wonderful.
Now that you mention this, yes I love that too!
That's something I often noticed in tech-centered imagery and computer graphics alike that were made in the 80s. If it wasn't a clear dark blue sky, it was a star field, like you're in a digital version of outer space. I imagine there was a lot of inspiration from the space race era from the 50s and 60s involved in all that, especially if the designer grew up in those eras. The futuristic = outer space theme was still kinda there in those days from the looks of it. And yeah, there is a very magical feel to those kinds of aesthetics from the 80s.
I love Tron when i was a small kid. Was just so impressed with the visuals. Now who would of thought that I'm now a VFX artist myself haha. I can tell you this much, i'm much more impressed with how they achieved the visual effects shots with the technology they had back then than now. Now i'm pretty sure the execution is fast and even more pretty VFX. But back then, it was quite a struggle but they managed to create some awesome stuff and did the best they could and it's still a beautiful film to me. It was inspiring and It was super under appreciated back then. I think the new generation now will dig this movie or at least more understanding of the plot more because the terminologies of the computers is much more known now in us then the general people back in the 80s.
And I'm still mad that Academy Awards that year disqualified the film in the visual effects category because to them, using computers for films back then was considered as 'cheating'. It was just ahead of its time that no one could fully grasp what the technical achivements it was doing at the time.
Should have gotten the Oscar.
You can't make up the intense labor these poor animators and computer technicians underwent to produce four seconds of 70mm film footage for Tron.
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I used to DJ along with one of the animators at MAGI in the early 80's (probably about the time this was being made).
Absolutely amazing. These guys set the standard which now all animation films and industry in general have built on.
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In today's world of films where every shot has CGI and people just take special effects for granted, it's hard to look back and really see how brilliant this movie was for its time. They invented rendering techniques that are still used today, and spent hours and hours rendering single frames that could be churned out by today's computers in seconds or less. Given what they had to work with at the time, the resulting film that Tron became is an absolute marvel. These guys all deserve huge kudos for pulling it off so brilliantly.
I have an avarage PC and some games like Rocket League that sometimes looks close to this style. My computer renders around 120fps. 120! Frames PER SECOND! ;) Not to meantion other games especially with the Unreal Enigne. Thats why they use this in Movies already as real time background projection instead of green/blue screens
@@Stinktierchen even your phone can render semi realistic vehicles real time nowadays. crazzy how much potential were in computer graphics we couldn't imagine before 2009. Almost 30 years after Tron.
@@katokianimationAnd it was all because of memory. Once we expanded, everything go so much better.
oh at @8:33 a giant mickey mouse on the background! never saw it before.
hot damn! was that always there? good catch!
Gotta love those guys. Took em 2 days to make 5 minutes of film but they still find time to drop an Easter egg in.
I've seen this movie tons and never even saw Mickey. good spot there s3b 1987
I was confused when I watched it and saw Mickey Mouse, and I guessed it was an easter egg but I could not conclude that I really saw it.
10 minutes per frame. Wow. Now this sort of thing could EASILY be rendered in realtime on even the cheapest graphics card. But, that's progress! [By the way, there were some scenes in Toy Story, such as when Buzz first meets the gang on top of Andy's bed, that took 24 HOURS per frame to render!]
@James Miller Agreed. And if we, ourselves, are actually in a simulation then this would be like "Inception" squared!
@@BrienMalone Yep, came across that one a few months ago. Excellent work! For 2025, I'd kind of like to see Pixar re-do the graphics for _Toy Story_ for its 30th anniversary with all the advancements that have been made since then. They could even render it with left and right views for true 3D presentation in theaters. I would totally go see that again in theaters even though I've literally seen it 50 times.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere If we are in a simulation it probably wouldn't be rendered but instead be dreamed up with neural networks like how Stable Diffusion and Midjourney create beautiful art.
where did you get this video from? I want to use it for a paper but I had to credit the source
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Meanwhile you got flat earthers saying moon landing and space pictures from the 60's is CGI.
remytv because they are all idiots!
I'm not a flat earther, but if you look at the videos from the landings there's nothing that resembles cgi it could have been possible in a movie set for sure. Cgi implies computer animation and if you were to recreate the landings in film flying wouldn't need cgi.
@@nobytes2 I disagree. Especially the moon buggy footage, I don't think it can be recreated without low gravity and no atmosphere.
@@remytv How do you think space movies are filmed with?
Seeing this movie in a theater for the first time, it really immersed me. I felt the expanse of the digital world and it was a mesmerizing environment. I wanted more. I am still amazed at the extreme work and creativity needed to make this movie . Imagine a 4K remaster surround with a modern digital cleanup...
Without excessive DNR or edge sharpening. Flicker elimination from the matted shots would be interesting, but would be a time-consuming process for the master completed film. If all the individual film negs existed, that would take longer to individually re-scan but would look even more impressive. Then again, the flicker and unevenness does more to add to the movie.
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Decades ahead of its time. The Oscars still haven't caught up yet.
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And 11 years later we got *BABYLON 5...👍👍*
BTW, did I hear TEN MINUTE RENDER TIMES PER FRAME??!!
I know some people disagree, but I think the CGI in Babylon 5 still mostly holds up.
@@xandersnyder7214 >>> I agree.
I've heard of a movie scene which had 12 hours per frame
I can remember doing some ray tracing on the original Amiga computers (14 mHz 68000) taking 3 hours per frame. I later made a 30 second tv ad for the store that took a couple days to render out on a 68030 machine.
10 minutes was actually quite fast. I don't think production renders are much faster now. When I played around with ray tracing in the mid 90's, it took my humble 486 many hours to render a single picture.
Watching this while going to school to learn VFX is a crazy feeling, how far we've come since the first Tron
There's no sun in an electronic world....queue the 'Solar Sailor' lol.
Very creative and innovative bunch of animators, kudos guys.
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My mom rented TRON for me at least 1000 times when I was a kid lol
Same... the video store eventually just gave us one of the tapes (it was the early 90s and they were chucking out older stuff). I still have it.
Such a pity this film was so underappreciated when released in 1982!
Yeah, underapreciated in 1982, just like Blade Runner and the Thing
@@dannycruz5446 Bladerunner was very underappreciated but time has given it the justice and recognition it deserves.
When you think of what they had to work with (which, by today's standards, was almost nothing at all), this was an incredible achievement.
Interesting, interesting. You said here goes nothing.
You should have said "Here goes something, here comes nothing"
Was this part of the "Making of Tron" Documentary? I recognize the backgrounds from the latter half of the video, but don't recall the first half nor the exact topics they discussed.
If I could go back and just chuck them a high end laptop with Blender installed I absolutely would. Imagine what they could have done with it :P
Not forget to settle the manual for blender and "especially" how to transfer the files?
There was no USB, SD or CD-roms in 1982. 😉
BEST movie EVER that Disney made/produced! 👍
For 1982 this was a milestone.
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Tron CGI making was something fabulous at that time and light years ahead of that time. 👍
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5:30 Syd Mead looks so young here! RIP, King!
Still a great movie til.this day. When it comes down to it the movie Tron Illustrated everything that we have today
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Computer simulation, three-space -- fun to see the lack of standardized terminology. "Simulation" is used far more frequently than "render". Also amazed that the motion trajectories were not computed at keypoints and interpolated in between with a simplified schematic view of the trajectory (e.g., 2D top-down and side views, or even a basic 3D wireframe with cubes as stand-ins for objects). I would imagine that even back then, this would have been simple to produce and worth the time-cost trade-off to implement on an 8-bit PC.
Tron inspired me, my newspaper deliveries to buy my first Vic-20 computer and learned BASIC at 12 years old. This movie was way ahead of its time.
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This one movie set how every one thought what “being in electronics and the internet” for the next thirty years. Next level stuff.
Each company has their own hot rod... That right there is where it all went wrong. That statement was a true statement of the golden era, now money is thrown at "the best solution" instead of each company having their unique "hot rod" that set them apart from the rest. I really hope one day media starts to steer back toward that direction
20:50 my god that piece of concept art looks beautiful
Freaked me out the 12 YO I was. Funny thing I coded RPG and COBOL in the 80's.
I didn't know that John Lasseter had knowledge on this film.
12:28 Cool TRON ambigram on his baseball cap.
2:00 Actually drawing with a grease pencil on the screen!? I thought that was a myth. ;)
RIP Syd Mead.
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1:36 minecraft cloud pog
This movie knocked my socks off when I first saw it. All the coin-ops back then were 2D and this movie just blows. I can't believe Academy were so naive back then. How time had changed since then.
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The Ultimate for me was about 10-12 years ago, walking into a large public area and seeing a guy watching TRON on his PSP.
I loved this movie as a child (and still do), and to this day still know the exact moment I'd have to get up and flip the video disk (CED) to side two any time I watched it. I'm so used to it that it's weird to not have that break in it when going back to it now. (it's not all that long after breaking out of the light-cycle arena during the escape, when all three come to the sudden stop just before the 'cliffs' edge)
Looking back on it now with a better understanding of the limits of rendering at the time, I feel "pushing the technology to it's limits" is an understatement.
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All those guys are around 80 years old today.
Till this day I think the cyberworld created here is better than the one in Tron Legacy. I felt like this is what the inside of a chip would look like in the shots with the actors
I appreciate the movie's great achievement , but it was so claustrophobic , dark and hard to watch for me.
Shogun warriors in the background!
Now you can do it with Blender for free
At 20:06 it restarts midway through. I saw TRON on VHS back in the mid 80's. I absolutely loved it. It's great to see this making of. Its amazing to see how far we've come. Thank you.
cause its "cgi" making of only
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1:34 : All those triangles for a sea...I'm convinced that the "three-space" triangle is the building block of 3-D modeling to this day.
It is.
Quads are easier to work with but they deform in strange ways sometimes
I was 12 when I saw Tron in the theater. I was confused through much of the movie. I wanted to like it because I loved video games and it was hyped so much on tv. But the story was too complicated for me. There was a disconnect between the medium of film, and the overwhelming amount of CGI that the actors and the script couldn't overcome. I appreciate what they tried to do and what they accomplished though. It's worth revisiting for a bit when it comes on tv.
Bill Schlafly I was 13 when Tron came out and it was my first experience with “the book was better.” It was the first time I had ever read a novel based on a film. And throughout watching it for the first time, I kept thinking “but they left out the part where...”. The movie felt like it was rushing the story in parts and I was glad to have understood the plot better having read the book. Still enjoyed the movie, but could have been lost too, without the background. Same thing happened more recently with The Martian.
@@waldokind although I think The Martian captured most of the book very well.
Although I wish they would have left the first line of the book in the film.
"I'm fucked"
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Really impressive, all the pioneering the men did! I use after affects from time to time and it's hard to picture that the didn't have the keyframes options to do automatic animation from point A to point B.
A very important movie for many industries. Great video and a humble homage to the work they did!
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this is an insane amount of work
Yeah, no more 3D for me. It's 3-Space from now on! AND Translucent Sails!
Awesome video about making Tron from 1982, thanks for uploading this mate.
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this was so magical when I was a kid, I might've blinked 3 times the whole movie, it was captivating and the sound was amazing.
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The fact that part of it (if not all) looks better than the 2010 remake says a lot about its visual achievement.
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Get people with passion and they get make a great movie.
Simply stunning for its time. Inspired me to study all the math and coding to do this. These are pioneers!
@02:01 @ Kroyer, did the shirt influence the grid or the grid influence the shirt. 😆. ...❤#Tron!.. sometimes the answers in front of you.
I remember being an 8 year old when this film came out in theaters. I wanted my own light cycle, disc, outfit, all of it. I just totally fell in love with the entire aesthetic and world of Tron.
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Just watched Corridor Digital recreate this scene, was awesome brought me back to this movie. Had to come back and watch it and the making of it!
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@@blackrosepty intriguing looking forward to it!
It stimulated the imagination. The POTENTIAL was as exciting as the visuals. To be honest...I can't REMEMBER the story. Ha ha .
Awesome video of an awesome movie! Thanks very much!
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TRON 1982 graphics are 100% in concept. TRON 2010 is just graphics.
If I ever hear any of my animators complain about how hard it is to do something in Maya or C4D, lol.... *shakes fists*. This movie inspired an entire career and still a fave! Should definitely be awards an Oscar retroactively... they did at least get recognized as the first movie to ever use CGI.
Trim and Tron: Legacy are both visually pleasing movies. Tron was impressive for what it achieve graphics wise in 1982.
Interesting note : The model for the tank was reused in a commercial for an Atari 2600 game - Worm War I - ruclips.net/video/AjdV_fL9CFU/видео.html
@05:32 #SydMead ftw! 👍 @06:19 it amazes me how he describes the lightcycles in his vision for the original 1982 release but we wouldn't fully see his concept till 2010 in #TronLegacy. 😮 The rider was always intended to be a part of the shape of the lightcycle. 👍
When I listen to what they say, back then as much as now people don't grasp the possibilities of parallel computing. Your graphics card is a computer. Even if it doesn't have a 3D engine of its own, you can load one on there. Your network card can also is a computer. It can run your Internet server without issuing any delay when you do other stuff with the rest of your computer.
People teaching computer science have no idea of what their computers can do and with the lack of proper scheduling algorythms, instead making use of semi-random intercutting between programs, even make sure you can't read out your device manuals that are actually on your devices. It's stupid.
For video-games the programmers get that it needs to be realtime 3D rendering, but artists have to be patient, as if it's okay to make you wait for half an hour before your stroke materializes on your canvas. It's just stupid.
8:34 The Mickey Mouse Face. 😂
Good eye! :)
I wonder how much it would cost to create the same CGI today with modern computers
I'm no expert, but I'd be willing to say free if not really cheap. I feel even the cheapest animation software out there would probably be more powerful then what they had back then.
You could do every shot in Blender for free
10 minute frames... hmm it sound normal in 1982 for a 8Mo computeur (cray)
Ten minutes to render a frame! Based on what I read about this one cg artist (can't remember the name, but the same one who made the album cover for Rockit by Herbie Hancock) and how long it took for 3D imagery to render on the mainframes he used in the 70s, I figured it'd take a long time to animate the graphics from TRON as you had to photograph each frame, animating computer imagery like you would with cels in a sense. From 45 minutes to an hour in the 70s to 10 minutes in the early 80s in a time from shortly before real time cg animation was possible. Pretty amazing stuff here. Watched TRON several years ago, and I loved it. The atmosphere, the music, everything! So it's real nice to see a behind the scenes look at it. ^_^
I love how like this one vs the legacy seems like a game updating over time- looking at it now you’d be like “oh the graphics suck” but they helped create new opportunities for the future films that used the 3D tech- it’s p damn cool
Computer Image Choreographer- what a title!!
What was funny my tube TV was set to maximum colour saturation so for like 10 years I always thought it was green and orange lol (should be blue and red)
The Frankenstein creatures? Oh you mean the abomination that is CARS?
I want to know what kind application do they. work on 3Ds and computer without Mac and without Windows. Just UNIX something.
What were they thinking with the frisbee data disk idea? “Imagine a data disk with all sorts of valuable data on it that would be really shitty to lose, and you throw it at your enemy as a weapon hoping it somehow gets back to you” 🎉
These guys are wizards. Brilliance in creativity.
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I wish my other recommended videos in youtube be something like this video but instead it's something dumb
Great video, needs more views.
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This is a great video. subscribed
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Thanks for posting! It's refreshing to see and hear documentaries not blaring muzak in the background, changing camera angles or distances every 2 seconds, and with people saying full words like "technology" and not just the vague diminutives ("tech" in this instance.)
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One unusual thing about this film is the lack of background music. Instead, there are large areas of silence between the dialogue.
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This movie reminds me about game called "dots" with red and blue dots on a hash paper ^^ A basic interface grid which is seems to be using in 99% of a software