Could Xehanort's dreams of ancient times be related to his knowledge of Unreality? With what little info we have, it's difficult to answer, but I think this is fairly plausible compared to some alternatives
Maybe. In various world beliefs there is the concept of reincarnation in which souls are reborn with a large percentage of the time the person who houses a reincarnated soul never recalling their past life. However there are stories of people remembering bits and pieces of a life that isn’t like their current life. There was an episode of a show on Syfy (back when it went by Scifi) that covered a man supposedly recalling details of a past life as a 19th century painter. I wish I could remember the painter’s name but what stuck to me is that the painter and his wife were never able to have children. I think it had to be an obscure painter because I’m fairly well versed on 19th century artists. I know it wasn’t Monet because a. He’s a famous 19th century painter that’s well know and b. He had children. So it could be possible for Xenohart to house a reincarnated soul. Edit: Fixed a word.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 Yeah, I'm not sure where I stand with the reincarnation theories, but as a concept it's one I really like in literature. I think the only thing I wouldn't like about it being in KH is it would just keep this trope of everyone being some version of someone else a thing, and I'd prefer a lot of the characters were just themselves, but I can certainly see it as a possibility
@@NextGenNovelist True but we don’t really have any other way to explain how Xenohart could recall details of another person’s life. This is one conundrum I think we need more answers to.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 Some people have suggested it could be Ephemer who sent these dreams into the future from the Unchained realm. I think that's possible, but it seems to me that his connection to the player is more deep than that if he's having literally the same physical reaction the player did with the tear, and also Xehanort seems to think the people he's dreaming about are his "friends". So the reincarnation theory fits too
@@NextGenNovelist Exactly. If Xenohart is the reincarnation of the player then who is Demyx? Some people have suggested he’s the player character but if Xenohart is the player character then it would make the reincarnation theory null and void. While there are a few things that support Demyx being the player character (them having similar hair and eye color) it’s not enough to suggest this is who Demyx is. Personally I think he’s Elrena’s brother. They seem to have a very tense relationship and, I’m no expect on body language, but to me her body language suggested that they have a familial connection because of how she displays her annoyance and also her tone of voice. I know one person said that Elrena in the past was a sweet person but that’s because we only saw one side of her. We don’t know how she interacts with others during the Age of Fairytales. Also I’m an older sister and my brother can get on my nerves sometimes. It might just be me projecting what I’ve experienced.
It's interesting coming back to this theory after UX's finale. Xehanort turned out to indeed be the player character reincarnated, for lack of a better term, though he seems to be unique in that others who have reincarnated tend not to remember their past lives. However, we still don't know where Demyx and Luxord fit into the whole ancient keyblade legacy thing, or how Xehanort learned of unreality. I'm assuming that, if he didn't hear about it from MoM (as we see them talking in Re;Mind), then it was probably just something he learned between Dark Road and BbS. Personally, the theory that I lean towards on Demyx and Luxord is that they're bluebloods, like Eraqus - meaning that one of their ancestors was a keyblade user (assumedly one of the new union leaders, in this case most likely Ephemer considering he had the longest time to establish a long-branching family). So they're tied to the ancient keyblade legacy, but weren't physically there for it. Either that, or they're reincarnations of wielders who presumably fought in the war.
Well, Darkness has the ability to remove and reconstruct memory, maybe. So perhaps because it knows Xehanort's Fate, they impart the memories they get by being the Player's darkness into Xehanort's darkness. It will cause Xehanort to follow a path which will lead him to the Darkness manifestations. Darkness seems to "live" in anyone's darkness, and if it has been in anyone who has been in Unreality, they can past it to any other Darkness, I think.
If Xehanort is at all aware of the worlds KHUX is currently showing (video game, candyland etc.) Then that could be his awareness of these worlds of unreality, as this is our first introduction as an audience. It has also been my opinion Xehanort (no heart) is the reincarnated version of our player. But thats a bit seperate
Once again coming with an angle I didn't consider. Xehanort's memories of the past will most likely have some significance, but I can't see why Nomura would give him memories of that time unless he's going to tie it into phase 2 somehow, because dark Road is considered part of phase 2. So using the memories to explain how he knows about Unreality makes sense. I think it's even possible that his dreams may not hold the entire answer, but it could be what drives him to seek answers and through trying to learn more about his dreams, he looks into daybreak town and the data daybreak town, and somehow discovers what happened there, along with the ark and whatever other knowledge he finds about Unreality
Your thoughts on what memories Apprentice Xehanort may have recovered inspired a crazy idea in me: a Kingdom Hearts mystery/puzzle game! We don't actually know which memories AX had or how many of them are even just Xehanorts. Playing as the apprentice has huge storyline and even easy retcon potential. I'm thinking to progress you walk around discovering memories, performing his experiments, revealing different dialog trees or access to new areas by interacting with fellow apprentices, maybe Terras' memories are hidden items that unlock a different ending or secret movie. Perhaps something about Subject X somewhere..? It could be so thrilling and shows works as a way to explore one of Kingdom Hearts biggest features in its own genre, the deep and complex story. It fits Namuras' style of weird and out there development choices plus might give people a greater appreciation of the more 'confusing' elements of the series.
2:12 Xehanort!!! Do you have ANY idea how long you're grounded for? Hmm? HMM!? Shut it! I don't care if your other self came to you and said some cryptic garbage, I don't even care if he had said to you "go get a cheeseburger"! How many times have I told you *DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS!!!*
I just had an epiphany while watching this video. Completely Unrelated but, You know how Darkness is a person? And there than one of them? What if that is the 13 Pieces of Darkness that Kingdom Hearts Broke into? And Even More Soo If Darkness can manifest as a person and be in peoples hearts than does that Mean that Princess of Heart Have Beings Made Up of the 7 Pieces of Light, Like they can talk and act just like Darkness?
@@Jinsei24 Now Keep in mind the only thing we've seen in darkness is that its consumes evil people. I think Heartless are what Happens when a Heart is Overcome with by the Darkness and manifests Heartless as a reaction. Heartless Are the Result of Letting Go of the Light and without it the Darkness has nothing to Guide it from Right and Wrong. In KH3 the Darkness in Ventus, When Sora was Time Traveling, Told Sora to leave him be. It could be that they are not naturally malevolent but without Light to Guide them They manifest Darkness physically as Heartless. Seeking to Return to the Light and merely following whoever is strongest will in place of the light. For it is Not Because of the Light that Darkness Can Know Right From Wrong but Rather With it because it then has Perspective. That Being Said, I think Sora might Have a Darkness in his heart as the Voice from KH1 that spoke in Text like Darkness did. Or Perhps since he has Kairi's Heart in him it was One of the Beings of Light From when she flew into him. I think the 13 Darkness that manifest as people just need to connect their hearts to those of light Via the means of Sora. Since who else in the Game connects everyone together with others touching their hearts and letting his being touched in return. He was not the Chosen One, Riku, Was. He was not all powerful he was just a replacement for Riku and in the End, His Friends are His Power. He Shares their Joy Their Pain. He has Even met with all 7 Princess of Heart at one point. His Power is from the bonds he Makes with Others and he Carries those with him wherever he goes They all stay untied together under one Sky via Sora whose Name Means Sky. In Short Sora Will Remake the Keyblade The ORIGINAL Key-Blade by uniting the 13 Darkness's and 7 Light thus Restoring the Worlds to the way it once was.
@@lockskelington314 I agree. It’s a reason why I think the Master of masters is being driven by more personal reasons to get rid of darkness. Which is a very bad idea because without darkness there is no light. I think he lost someone special to him to the darkness and he in turn came to interpret light as being infallibly good and darkness as true evil when in reality it’s more complicated. I think that what’s going to happen is that the Master of masters will eventually get a rude awakening where he realizes that maybe trying to totally destroy darkness is not the smartest concept he had. After all Daoism says light and darkness must coexist in order for the universe to exist and if one take one of those forces then the universe is destroyed. It’s why in the Yin-Yang symbol there’s a drop of light in the dark part (Yin) and a drop of darkness in the light part (Yang). So Nomura could be trying to create a Daoist narrative in which people must realize the two sides need to exist.
How are your thoughts that you had during this video altered now that we know who used that last ark? Is there an updated video I can referred to? This video aged pretty well by the way 😊
Those pods look like some advanced tech from Quadratum. Could Yozora's world truly be a very ancient past, before the foretellers. If thats the case, maybe were looking at a past version of MoM in the secret ending
Yep. That's what I was implying at the end of the video when I said that Unreality might relate to the ancient Keyblade legacy, its very possible that Unreality is actually the place from the MoM's youth. I have two separate theories that are basically about this, but one of them I'm still uncertain about. However, the other one is coming soon, it'll be my theory about what Yozora really looks like
"Imagine being Xehanort's dad tho" 😂 Tbh I keep forgetting about his dreams.. Is it possible that he could actually be reincarnated though somehow? That would be crazy! Or maybe it's just Ephemer who did it. I'm sure the truth behind it will be interesting! Great video as usual!
Anyone notice how Xehanort, Sora and Yozora all basically said the same line? Sora in the Kingdom Hearts 1 intro stated "I been having these weird thoughts lately, like is any of this real or not" and When Yozora wakes up after his battle with Sora he says the exact same thing Sora said from KH 1 into. Now we have Xehanort saying something similar to what they both said only difference is he says Dreams instead of Thoughts. Could Xehanort, Yozora and Sora all share a collections of memories which are somehow provided to them knowing there from different times? Or do they all have a connection to a different Ancient Master that departed to Unreality? Idk just a thought
My theory is that demyx is the player and that his memories were taken by darkness or luxu "somehow" and taken to the new world line with the unconcious player/demyx.
Something that I think could be related to all of this is how young xehanort apparently knows how to split worlds. In 3D both versions of the world could be visited, but in 3 I don't think we know what happened to the other copy of Toy Box. It just seems like a weirdly OP thing (even for Xehanort) for the series to not really dig deeper into why/how he can do this, especially with DR and UX giving more attention to how worlds work.
I don't think that Xehanort is getting his dreams from Player. In the second chapter he gets a memory that Player isn't around to have which really puts a big whole in the theory that Xehanort is somehow Player. They might still be connected but it isn't that connection that is giving Xehanort Dreams. I think that it is Ephemer sending dreams from the Unchained Realm. For one Ephemer was there for both dream memories, for another Ephemer has already shown that he has the ability to send dreams to people from the Unchained Realm. We even have a reason for Ephemer to want to do this. He wants to have someone with memories of his friends so that when they land in the future they have someone to remember them and help them remake there bodies. It does mean that the light of the past scene isn't Ephemer sending help from the realm of the dead but sending help form the Unchained Realm which I actually like a lot. Though that does bring into question just how many Dandelions are still in the Unchained Realm. As for the arcs I think that we might be counting wrong. An arc doesn't both get you to the real world and get you to the future. So at first we have seven arcs that get seven people out of the Unchained Realm. One of which is is destroyed before it can taken anyone anywhere, and another is taken by Maleficent. Leaving five left. People we know have to have left the Unchained Realm are Ventus, Lairaum, Elrena, Skuld, and one other. We now are in the Real Daybreak Town and there are another seven arcs that can go into the future. One is taken by Maleficent, leaving six. Ventus, Lairaum, Elrena, and Skuld have to use these arcs leaving two spots open. If the last spot to get out of the Unchained Realm was Brain than he most likely stayed in the past and built Scala. With what people I don't really know but maybe he was able to find a way on the other side to get more Dandelions out of the Unchained Realm. Though it is also possible that the war didn't kill everyone and there are still wielders in the Real World, after all Luxu doesn't seem to be in the Unchained Realm. However there is also the Breaking to think about. It seems very likely to me that the Breaking is something that happens before the end of UX as the climax, most likely caused by the Player. Most likely it was a Tear between the Real World and the Unchained Realm to get more people through. If Player did do this it is very possible that he was sent to Reality 2 as punishment for causing a Tear, so he likely doesn't need an arc. Which still leaves two arcs for people to either go into the future or to go into Reality 2, or even to go back into the Unchained Realm. And because of the Breaking we can't know if these people are from the Unchained Realm or if they where people that just exist in the Real World unknown to us. So if Player is still an active person in our story and Luxord and Demyx are from that time most likely one of them being Player then we still have one arc and one person that we don't know about. Granted, that spot could just be Ephemer going back to the Unchained Realm. There is enough unknown that it is mostly impossible to know what is really going on. The ideas that whoever caused the Breaking likely went to Reality 2 without an arc, the fact that there is one more arc in the Real World then in the Unchained Realm, the unknown if an arc with take a person to the future or Reality 2, or just to another World all really mix up where they could be going with this. There is even the possible two Brains thing going on. Which also puts a really hard twist to all of this. It's fun to think about all this but until we know more I don't really want to settle on a single theory.
Yeah you're right with the ark number thing. I just remembered that In the scene where Malificent is told by Darkness to go to the tower, it says that's how she'll get to the real world, and then it tells her to find the real world equivalent of that room or something like that, but there's still only one left in the unchained realm, so does that basically confirm Luxord and Demyx aren't Dandelions, because if they are they'd be in the data daybreak town, but then how would they get out if there's only one arc left to get back to the real world? Maybe when the Dandelions get back to the real daybreak town, that's when they'll encounter Demyx and Luxord who end up there somehow and perhaps, as you say, there will then be enough arks for them all to get to the future The thing is, as you say, there are way too many unknowns, like the arks themselves are still currently unknown to the union leaders, at least as far as we know (maybe brain has been hiding his knowledge of it), so they'd have to learn about it. How do they know it can time travel or anything? Obviously they'll have to figure it out, but I'm just wondering if they will find out it sends them to the future, or if they'll just use it and hope for the best. If Ephemer is sending dreams to the future, then that would mean they had enough understanding to know they could end up in the future, but the thing is, they don't need Ephemer to send dreams. That's what Malificent had been used for, as Darkness said, she is the guide for them because she has memories of them. But maybe Ephemer doesn't know that and sends dreams into the future anyway. But then why include Malificent at all then? Maybe just to foreshadow what the ark can do? I suppose that's possible. I will say I like the idea of Ephemer being in the unchained realm too, and it might explain why he appears in KH3, but then there's the theory about Dark Inferno X being related to him in some way.. Which I'm not sure entirely what to make of that, but it has some merit. Also, I guess the Breaking is what causes them to have to use the arks again in the real world. Because they'd obviously need a motivation to fly themselves into the future and that seems catastrophic enough to be the reason, and also we haven't seen it happen yet. In terms of what causes it I'm not sure, but i think your idea on it works, I've also seen a similar idea but that Demyx and Luxord might come from Unreality somehow and cause the Breaking. That ties to what I said earlier as well, if they cause the breaking, then when everyone else is escaping using the arks, they would do the same. Idk. This is one of those topics that has many different variables that could play out in many different ways, it's definitely not a theory I'm set in stone with, and your comment has already got me thinking of alternatives, but I do still believe these dreams must have some relevance, because Xehanort wonders if there's other worlds like in his dreams and if he can meet his "friends" again. I'd think that would inspire him to, as Yen Sid says, "look more deeply into that world", because he'd want to know about where these dreams were coming from. Also, he has memories that Ephemer wasn't present for either, and he does say he feels like he's got memories of another's life, implying it's a specific person whose life he feels like he is dreaming about, and from the way it's shown it seems Nomura wants us to think that person is the player, but I'm sure there'll be a twist to it. Ehh idk...It's so confusing so I'm open to all possibilities lol
@@NextGenNovelist I am glad you enjoyed my comment. And it is also best to be open to all possibilities in KH instead of focusing only on one way it could go and getting upset when it doesn't go the way you thought it would. There are very few theories that I truly believe are going to come true 100%.
@@hillaryslack2884 Yeah I'm not emotionally connected to my theories. I make theories based on my understanding, so as soon as someone says something that I think is a better understanding than mine, I accept it. A lot of people will disagree just because they don't like an idea even if there's plenty of evidence to support it. I do think some ideas would be cooler than others, some fit my personal taste more, but every theory I put out is based on how the pieces seem to line up, not how I *want* them to line up
@@NextGenNovelist I have run across theories that make more sense than anything I have come up with but I personally don't want to be true. Not very often most of the time I can come up with counter theories that make just as much sense or more. Which I do even with theories that I like because I enjoy friendly debate as it is something my family did all the time as I was growing up. Though I will admit that sometimes doing this is hard when you in a writing format. I often have three lists of theories ones I really like but are very unlikely to be true and they make me smile, ones that I think are a lot more possible and I like, and ones that make sense but I hope they either go a different way or do it insanely well. After all even a story beat that you don't like as a concept can be very good if done right. Still I am firmly of the belief that until the games prove something everything is theory. Which might be why I can enjoy contradicting theories at the same time in equal amounts.
The japanese version of the game implies that Xemnas thought the 4 of them have the potential of being keyblade wielders, not necessarily that they all were keyblade wielders. When asked why they were assembled, Xemnas’s response is this: この４名の中にいる古のキーブレード使いを探すためだ “It was to look for (an) ancient keyblade wielder(s) among you four.” This post goes into detail nanakibh.tumblr.com/post/631432323293921280/keyblade-legacy-is-a-mistranslation
Hmm about "Ancient Masters" I personally don't think that Ancient Masters are foretellers or union leaders...in cinematic when Master of Masters was speaking to Young Xehanort (in KH3) he told him he is lost Master. And here is my Theory: Ancient Masters are Keyblade Masters from before KHUK, Master of Masters did mentioned to Luxu that there were more like him.
I doubt they're from that far back because nobody except MoM knows about that time, that's why Luxu had to be told about it, but he still don't really know about it. Also, in the second secret report, Xehanort says Eraqus is "descended from the very first masters in the age of fairy tales", and we know now that Eraqus and Brain are connected, so even Xehanort seems to think the very first masters of that age are the Union Leaders, meaning he's not aware there were masters before that
Ansem seeker of darkness who has apprentice x heart said rikus power is above light and darkness and and then apprentice Xehanort mentioned a world beyond light and darkness a coincidence or not is riku from unreality but there are parrelel between riku and noctis caelum story both dark swords men betrayed the one they care about riku sora and noctis stella in omen trailer noctis trident luna and in v13 script noctis actually ended stella before game started that why ravis hate noctis but in 15 no reason too and riku redeem become keymaster and noctis become king of light
Well, now we know the Data worlds have fallen asleep in the Darkness, which means Darkness might be infecting Xehanort with Data/ Dream memories in his sleep.
Great theory 👌🏽where are you from my g? You sound like your from my neck of the woods 💁🏽♀️ I feel like reality and unreality used to be one and post key blade war there was a split. Demyx and Luxord are keyblade weilders that were on the unreality half along with others. Since unreality has no light or darkness the keyblade became a mute point and ceased to exist in unreality instantly because there is no light to protect there. So all of these kids on unreality lost their keyblades leading them to specialise in technology instead. The narrative of union cross follows those who are on reality's side. Both reality and unreality have internally fractured into many individual worlds that we know as Disney worlds on one side and final fantasy worlds on the other. The last remaining pod is for the player and his heart finds refuge in Xehanort's heart parallel to Ventus' heart connecting with Sora's. Im sure you've noticed Nomura making parallels between Sora and Xehanort lately.
Well if you're saying "my g" I'll take that as confirmation you're from my neck of the woods too, so yeah I guess lol I am also very partial to the theory that Unreality is the time period from MoM's youth. I think it's a good theory and I like it a lot, it also has the potential to create some crazy twists that will change everything we thought we know about KH. I have two theories about it, but only one of them I'm confident enough in to make a video about and that'll be the video on what Yozora really looks like. I never considered the Player's heart resting in Xehanort like Ventus with Sora but that actually makes a lot of sense
@@NextGenNovelist 😂 aha so my suspicions were correct! Excuse me. Where oh where are you catching wind of these theories?? I've never heard that before, those are the types of theories I want to be discussing and bouncing off of. Do tell.
@@isabelstoker2063 Lol yep, it was correct. And well, people either comment them on my videos (someone commented that exact theory I mentioned on this video) or on other people's videos. There's other sites and forums people use as well but I don't look at those very much. Some youtubers have discords and stuff but the only place I discuss theories with people is literally here in my comments section lol. Eventually I'll do livestreams because I'd like to engage with people more directly, but I'm still relatively new as a content creator but I'll get to it eventually
KH3: This is the end of Xehanort sega KHMoM and potential future games: Everyone is Xehanort (I am not talking being norted, just relevant) Reminds me of Just a Pancake
just because you can customize the player in the game doesn't exactly mean that the player was what you customized cannocially. in harry potter hogwarts mystery you can customize the gender, name, & house of jacob's sibling but in cannon it doesn't specifiy name, gender, or house of jacob's sibling other then jacob & his sibling having the same house.
Xehanort didn't release Skuld (subject X), Xigbar (Luxu) set her free from her confinement. It's stated in his secret report about her in KH III. Other than that, you have a solid theory. Also here is a fine piece of thinking and linking this all together. If the NO NAME keyblade can see / has seen it all and has a direct link to MOM. Than those who lose their bodies (hopping or otherwise) and are wielders of the said keyblade, can link themselves to it's memories.
He did release her at Ansem the Wise's orders. This passage states it: "Upon discovering the tests I've been conducting, my master demanded that I cease my work immediately and destroy what research I have compiled. Worse still, he ordered the release of my remaining subjects. She is gone. Where is Subject X now? Has "wise" Master Ansem hidden her away? Whatever the case, I will not be deterred." Luxu must have found her after that. Maybe Ansem took her somewhere and Luxu took her from him, but he didn't take her from Xehanort. To your point about No Name, I considered that, but it would imply that the Player gets that Keyblade which isn't impossible, but Luxu seems to imply in the secret reports he specifically gave it to a Union Leader when he says, "Amid the chaos, I bequeathed my Keyblade to one of the Union leaders, just as the Master instructed", so that seems unlikely.. There might be a twist to it. Some people think Ephemer is responsible for Xehanort's dreams. So there's a few possibilities
@@NextGenNovelist Hereby, my bad. I must have misplaced the writer of that message. I had in my mind that Luxu (Xigbar) was the one that wrote that message. About the theory. Luxu was vigilant over the event that had happened. If he saw the player, that is the memory that No Name also saw, thus passed on to Xehanort. And he saw it from the view of Luxu with the No Name. (Just an extra explanation to how I saw this. Anyway, I like your version way more.) - However, I have a feeling that we're trying to make the (re) usage of footage canon because the devs didn't want to make new scenes. Hahaha
@@NextGenNovelist That is incorrect. Luxu takes her before Xehanort releases the subjects. When Xehanort goes to release the Subject X, she is already gone. Xehanort assumes Ansem hide her, but Luxu actualy did it. It is preferable Xehanort doesn't find out Luxu is trying to derail Xehanort's understanding of Unreality. Subject X entries state "One day, A man came to take me from the prison," and "he wore an eyepatch". It is clear she is speaking of Xigbar. Saix reports confirms she was in the prison cells beow Hollow Bastion. Subject X states she was taking from prison. Also, this makes Xehanort start experimenting on himself which is what Xigbar needs him to do.
I still say Demyx is the m.o.m. Nomura uses a lot of common literary tropes, and the whole “almighty janitor” is overdue for a use.(aka, when the seemingly weakest or least likely character is actually the one in charge or the enemy)
Could Xehanort's dreams of ancient times be related to his knowledge of Unreality? With what little info we have, it's difficult to answer, but I think this is fairly plausible compared to some alternatives
Maybe. In various world beliefs there is the concept of reincarnation in which souls are reborn with a large percentage of the time the person who houses a reincarnated soul never recalling their past life. However there are stories of people remembering bits and pieces of a life that isn’t like their current life. There was an episode of a show on Syfy (back when it went by Scifi) that covered a man supposedly recalling details of a past life as a 19th century painter. I wish I could remember the painter’s name but what stuck to me is that the painter and his wife were never able to have children. I think it had to be an obscure painter because I’m fairly well versed on 19th century artists. I know it wasn’t Monet because a. He’s a famous 19th century painter that’s well know and b. He had children. So it could be possible for Xenohart to house a reincarnated soul.
Edit: Fixed a word.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 Yeah, I'm not sure where I stand with the reincarnation theories, but as a concept it's one I really like in literature. I think the only thing I wouldn't like about it being in KH is it would just keep this trope of everyone being some version of someone else a thing, and I'd prefer a lot of the characters were just themselves, but I can certainly see it as a possibility
@@NextGenNovelist True but we don’t really have any other way to explain how Xenohart could recall details of another person’s life. This is one conundrum I think we need more answers to.
@@mirandagoldstine8548 Some people have suggested it could be Ephemer who sent these dreams into the future from the Unchained realm. I think that's possible, but it seems to me that his connection to the player is more deep than that if he's having literally the same physical reaction the player did with the tear, and also Xehanort seems to think the people he's dreaming about are his "friends". So the reincarnation theory fits too
@@NextGenNovelist Exactly. If Xenohart is the reincarnation of the player then who is Demyx? Some people have suggested he’s the player character but if Xenohart is the player character then it would make the reincarnation theory null and void.
While there are a few things that support Demyx being the player character (them having similar hair and eye color) it’s not enough to suggest this is who Demyx is. Personally I think he’s Elrena’s brother. They seem to have a very tense relationship and, I’m no expect on body language, but to me her body language suggested that they have a familial connection because of how she displays her annoyance and also her tone of voice. I know one person said that Elrena in the past was a sweet person but that’s because we only saw one side of her. We don’t know how she interacts with others during the Age of Fairytales. Also I’m an older sister and my brother can get on my nerves sometimes. It might just be me projecting what I’ve experienced.
It's interesting coming back to this theory after UX's finale. Xehanort turned out to indeed be the player character reincarnated, for lack of a better term, though he seems to be unique in that others who have reincarnated tend not to remember their past lives. However, we still don't know where Demyx and Luxord fit into the whole ancient keyblade legacy thing, or how Xehanort learned of unreality. I'm assuming that, if he didn't hear about it from MoM (as we see them talking in Re;Mind), then it was probably just something he learned between Dark Road and BbS. Personally, the theory that I lean towards on Demyx and Luxord is that they're bluebloods, like Eraqus - meaning that one of their ancestors was a keyblade user (assumedly one of the new union leaders, in this case most likely Ephemer considering he had the longest time to establish a long-branching family). So they're tied to the ancient keyblade legacy, but weren't physically there for it. Either that, or they're reincarnations of wielders who presumably fought in the war.
LOOKS LIKE YOU WERE RIGHT we are xehanort.. it was just confirmed
Well, Darkness has the ability to remove and reconstruct memory, maybe. So perhaps because it knows Xehanort's Fate, they impart the memories they get by being the Player's darkness into Xehanort's darkness. It will cause Xehanort to follow a path which will lead him to the Darkness manifestations. Darkness seems to "live" in anyone's darkness, and if it has been in anyone who has been in Unreality, they can past it to any other Darkness, I think.
If Xehanort is at all aware of the worlds KHUX is currently showing (video game, candyland etc.) Then that could be his awareness of these worlds of unreality, as this is our first introduction as an audience. It has also been my opinion Xehanort (no heart) is the reincarnated version of our player. But thats a bit seperate
That's a very good point. I kinda forgot about Game Central Station but I have always thought it might have something to do with Unreality
@@NextGenNovelist Me too until about 2 mins into the vid it clicked in my head! Lol
Once again coming with an angle I didn't consider. Xehanort's memories of the past will most likely have some significance, but I can't see why Nomura would give him memories of that time unless he's going to tie it into phase 2 somehow, because dark Road is considered part of phase 2. So using the memories to explain how he knows about Unreality makes sense. I think it's even possible that his dreams may not hold the entire answer, but it could be what drives him to seek answers and through trying to learn more about his dreams, he looks into daybreak town and the data daybreak town, and somehow discovers what happened there, along with the ark and whatever other knowledge he finds about Unreality
That's a very sensible suggestion and one I'd be more than happy with
Your thoughts on what memories Apprentice Xehanort may have recovered inspired a crazy idea in me: a Kingdom Hearts mystery/puzzle game! We don't actually know which memories AX had or how many of them are even just Xehanorts. Playing as the apprentice has huge storyline and even easy retcon potential. I'm thinking to progress you walk around discovering memories, performing his experiments, revealing different dialog trees or access to new areas by interacting with fellow apprentices, maybe Terras' memories are hidden items that unlock a different ending or secret movie. Perhaps something about Subject X somewhere..?
It could be so thrilling and shows works as a way to explore one of Kingdom Hearts biggest features in its own genre, the deep and complex story. It fits Namuras' style of weird and out there development choices plus might give people a greater appreciation of the more 'confusing' elements of the series.
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Xehanort!!! Do you have ANY idea how long you're grounded for? Hmm? HMM!?
Shut it! I don't care if your other self came to you and said some cryptic garbage, I don't even care if he had said to you "go get a cheeseburger"!
How many times have I told you *DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS!!!*
I just had an epiphany while watching this video. Completely Unrelated but, You know how Darkness is a person? And there than one of them? What if that is the 13 Pieces of Darkness that Kingdom Hearts Broke into? And Even More Soo If Darkness can manifest as a person and be in peoples hearts than does that Mean that Princess of Heart Have Beings Made Up of the 7 Pieces of Light, Like they can talk and act just like Darkness?
@@Jinsei24 Now Keep in mind the only thing we've seen in darkness is that its consumes evil people. I think Heartless are what Happens when a Heart is Overcome with by the Darkness and manifests Heartless as a reaction. Heartless Are the Result of Letting Go of the Light and without it the Darkness has nothing to Guide it from Right and Wrong.
In KH3 the Darkness in Ventus, When Sora was Time Traveling, Told Sora to leave him be.
It could be that they are not naturally malevolent but without Light to Guide them They manifest Darkness physically as Heartless. Seeking to Return to the Light and merely following whoever is strongest will in place of the light.
For it is Not Because of the Light that Darkness Can Know Right From Wrong but Rather With it because it then has Perspective.
That Being Said, I think Sora might Have a Darkness in his heart as the Voice from KH1 that spoke in Text like Darkness did. Or Perhps since he has Kairi's Heart in him it was One of the Beings of Light From when she flew into him.
I think the 13 Darkness that manifest as people just need to connect their hearts to those of light Via the means of Sora. Since who else in the Game connects everyone together with others touching their hearts and letting his being touched in return. He was not the Chosen One, Riku, Was. He was not all powerful he was just a replacement for Riku and in the End, His Friends are His Power. He Shares their Joy Their Pain. He has Even met with all 7 Princess of Heart at one point. His Power is from the bonds he Makes with Others and he Carries those with him wherever he goes They all stay untied together under one Sky via Sora whose Name Means Sky. In Short Sora Will Remake the Keyblade The ORIGINAL Key-Blade by uniting the 13 Darkness's and 7 Light thus Restoring the Worlds to the way it once was.
@@lockskelington314 I agree. It’s a reason why I think the Master of masters is being driven by more personal reasons to get rid of darkness. Which is a very bad idea because without darkness there is no light. I think he lost someone special to him to the darkness and he in turn came to interpret light as being infallibly good and darkness as true evil when in reality it’s more complicated. I think that what’s going to happen is that the Master of masters will eventually get a rude awakening where he realizes that maybe trying to totally destroy darkness is not the smartest concept he had. After all Daoism says light and darkness must coexist in order for the universe to exist and if one take one of those forces then the universe is destroyed. It’s why in the Yin-Yang symbol there’s a drop of light in the dark part (Yin) and a drop of darkness in the light part (Yang). So Nomura could be trying to create a Daoist narrative in which people must realize the two sides need to exist.
How are your thoughts that you had during this video altered now that we know who used that last ark? Is there an updated video I can referred to? This video aged pretty well by the way 😊
Those pods look like some advanced tech from Quadratum. Could Yozora's world truly be a very ancient past, before the foretellers. If thats the case, maybe were looking at a past version of MoM in the secret ending
Yep. That's what I was implying at the end of the video when I said that Unreality might relate to the ancient Keyblade legacy, its very possible that Unreality is actually the place from the MoM's youth. I have two separate theories that are basically about this, but one of them I'm still uncertain about. However, the other one is coming soon, it'll be my theory about what Yozora really looks like
"Imagine being Xehanort's dad tho" 😂 Tbh I keep forgetting about his dreams.. Is it possible that he could actually be reincarnated though somehow? That would be crazy! Or maybe it's just Ephemer who did it. I'm sure the truth behind it will be interesting! Great video as usual!
I'm partial to anything at this point. The only thing I'm certain about is his memories are going to be important in some way
you called it
@@treestefano717 Looks like I did! 😁
Anyone notice how Xehanort, Sora and Yozora all basically said the same line? Sora in the Kingdom Hearts 1 intro stated "I been having these weird thoughts lately, like is any of this real or not" and When Yozora wakes up after his battle with Sora he says the exact same thing Sora said from KH 1 into. Now we have Xehanort saying something similar to what they both said only difference is he says Dreams instead of Thoughts. Could Xehanort, Yozora and Sora all share a collections of memories which are somehow provided to them knowing there from different times? Or do they all have a connection to a different Ancient Master that departed to Unreality? Idk just a thought
Keep up the work! Editing and script writing and all the rest
Fantastic video bro!
My theory is that demyx is the player and that his memories were taken by darkness or luxu "somehow" and taken to the new world line with the unconcious player/demyx.
Of course he knew. The freakin Aizen/Madara of the series.
Luxord controls time, so maybe Demyx gets the ark and somehow Luxord does some funny business or returns to quadratum? I'm just grasping at straws
In all honesty, I had a similar thought. It's interesting he has ties to the past but he's also got power over time in some way.. Could be important
Something that I think could be related to all of this is how young xehanort apparently knows how to split worlds. In 3D both versions of the world could be visited, but in 3 I don't think we know what happened to the other copy of Toy Box. It just seems like a weirdly OP thing (even for Xehanort) for the series to not really dig deeper into why/how he can do this, especially with DR and UX giving more attention to how worlds work.
I don't think that Xehanort is getting his dreams from Player. In the second chapter he gets a memory that Player isn't around to have which really puts a big whole in the theory that Xehanort is somehow Player. They might still be connected but it isn't that connection that is giving Xehanort Dreams. I think that it is Ephemer sending dreams from the Unchained Realm. For one Ephemer was there for both dream memories, for another Ephemer has already shown that he has the ability to send dreams to people from the Unchained Realm. We even have a reason for Ephemer to want to do this. He wants to have someone with memories of his friends so that when they land in the future they have someone to remember them and help them remake there bodies. It does mean that the light of the past scene isn't Ephemer sending help from the realm of the dead but sending help form the Unchained Realm which I actually like a lot. Though that does bring into question just how many Dandelions are still in the Unchained Realm.
As for the arcs I think that we might be counting wrong. An arc doesn't both get you to the real world and get you to the future.
So at first we have seven arcs that get seven people out of the Unchained Realm. One of which is is destroyed before it can taken anyone anywhere, and another is taken by Maleficent. Leaving five left.
People we know have to have left the Unchained Realm are Ventus, Lairaum, Elrena, Skuld, and one other.
We now are in the Real Daybreak Town and there are another seven arcs that can go into the future. One is taken by Maleficent, leaving six. Ventus, Lairaum, Elrena, and Skuld have to use these arcs leaving two spots open.
If the last spot to get out of the Unchained Realm was Brain than he most likely stayed in the past and built Scala. With what people I don't really know but maybe he was able to find a way on the other side to get more Dandelions out of the Unchained Realm. Though it is also possible that the war didn't kill everyone and there are still wielders in the Real World, after all Luxu doesn't seem to be in the Unchained Realm.
However there is also the Breaking to think about. It seems very likely to me that the Breaking is something that happens before the end of UX as the climax, most likely caused by the Player. Most likely it was a Tear between the Real World and the Unchained Realm to get more people through. If Player did do this it is very possible that he was sent to Reality 2 as punishment for causing a Tear, so he likely doesn't need an arc. Which still leaves two arcs for people to either go into the future or to go into Reality 2, or even to go back into the Unchained Realm. And because of the Breaking we can't know if these people are from the Unchained Realm or if they where people that just exist in the Real World unknown to us.
So if Player is still an active person in our story and Luxord and Demyx are from that time most likely one of them being Player then we still have one arc and one person that we don't know about. Granted, that spot could just be Ephemer going back to the Unchained Realm.
There is enough unknown that it is mostly impossible to know what is really going on. The ideas that whoever caused the Breaking likely went to Reality 2 without an arc, the fact that there is one more arc in the Real World then in the Unchained Realm, the unknown if an arc with take a person to the future or Reality 2, or just to another World all really mix up where they could be going with this. There is even the possible two Brains thing going on. Which also puts a really hard twist to all of this. It's fun to think about all this but until we know more I don't really want to settle on a single theory.
Yeah you're right with the ark number thing. I just remembered that In the scene where Malificent is told by Darkness to go to the tower, it says that's how she'll get to the real world, and then it tells her to find the real world equivalent of that room or something like that, but there's still only one left in the unchained realm, so does that basically confirm Luxord and Demyx aren't Dandelions, because if they are they'd be in the data daybreak town, but then how would they get out if there's only one arc left to get back to the real world? Maybe when the Dandelions get back to the real daybreak town, that's when they'll encounter Demyx and Luxord who end up there somehow and perhaps, as you say, there will then be enough arks for them all to get to the future
The thing is, as you say, there are way too many unknowns, like the arks themselves are still currently unknown to the union leaders, at least as far as we know (maybe brain has been hiding his knowledge of it), so they'd have to learn about it. How do they know it can time travel or anything? Obviously they'll have to figure it out, but I'm just wondering if they will find out it sends them to the future, or if they'll just use it and hope for the best. If Ephemer is sending dreams to the future, then that would mean they had enough understanding to know they could end up in the future, but the thing is, they don't need Ephemer to send dreams. That's what Malificent had been used for, as Darkness said, she is the guide for them because she has memories of them. But maybe Ephemer doesn't know that and sends dreams into the future anyway. But then why include Malificent at all then? Maybe just to foreshadow what the ark can do? I suppose that's possible.
I will say I like the idea of Ephemer being in the unchained realm too, and it might explain why he appears in KH3, but then there's the theory about Dark Inferno X being related to him in some way.. Which I'm not sure entirely what to make of that, but it has some merit.
Also, I guess the Breaking is what causes them to have to use the arks again in the real world. Because they'd obviously need a motivation to fly themselves into the future and that seems catastrophic enough to be the reason, and also we haven't seen it happen yet. In terms of what causes it I'm not sure, but i think your idea on it works, I've also seen a similar idea but that Demyx and Luxord might come from Unreality somehow and cause the Breaking. That ties to what I said earlier as well, if they cause the breaking, then when everyone else is escaping using the arks, they would do the same.
Idk. This is one of those topics that has many different variables that could play out in many different ways, it's definitely not a theory I'm set in stone with, and your comment has already got me thinking of alternatives, but I do still believe these dreams must have some relevance, because Xehanort wonders if there's other worlds like in his dreams and if he can meet his "friends" again. I'd think that would inspire him to, as Yen Sid says, "look more deeply into that world", because he'd want to know about where these dreams were coming from. Also, he has memories that Ephemer wasn't present for either, and he does say he feels like he's got memories of another's life, implying it's a specific person whose life he feels like he is dreaming about, and from the way it's shown it seems Nomura wants us to think that person is the player, but I'm sure there'll be a twist to it.
Ehh idk...It's so confusing so I'm open to all possibilities lol
@@NextGenNovelist I am glad you enjoyed my comment. And it is also best to be open to all possibilities in KH instead of focusing only on one way it could go and getting upset when it doesn't go the way you thought it would. There are very few theories that I truly believe are going to come true 100%.
@@hillaryslack2884 Yeah I'm not emotionally connected to my theories. I make theories based on my understanding, so as soon as someone says something that I think is a better understanding than mine, I accept it. A lot of people will disagree just because they don't like an idea even if there's plenty of evidence to support it. I do think some ideas would be cooler than others, some fit my personal taste more, but every theory I put out is based on how the pieces seem to line up, not how I *want* them to line up
@@NextGenNovelist I have run across theories that make more sense than anything I have come up with but I personally don't want to be true. Not very often most of the time I can come up with counter theories that make just as much sense or more. Which I do even with theories that I like because I enjoy friendly debate as it is something my family did all the time as I was growing up. Though I will admit that sometimes doing this is hard when you in a writing format.
I often have three lists of theories ones I really like but are very unlikely to be true and they make me smile, ones that I think are a lot more possible and I like, and ones that make sense but I hope they either go a different way or do it insanely well. After all even a story beat that you don't like as a concept can be very good if done right.
Still I am firmly of the belief that until the games prove something everything is theory. Which might be why I can enjoy contradicting theories at the same time in equal amounts.
Great video, but damn. Just what's the track playing in the background? It sounds so familiar and yet I can't recall where it's from.
Thanks! The song is "His Dream" from NieR Gestalt/Replicant
@@NextGenNovelist Bless 🙏Keep up the good work!
The japanese version of the game implies that Xemnas thought the 4 of them have the potential of being keyblade wielders, not necessarily that they all were keyblade wielders.
When asked why they were assembled, Xemnas’s response is this:
この４名の中にいる古のキーブレード使いを探すためだ
“It was to look for (an) ancient keyblade wielder(s) among you four.”
This post goes into detail nanakibh.tumblr.com/post/631432323293921280/keyblade-legacy-is-a-mistranslation
Hmm.. I'll look into this more for sure. Never heard of this until now so thanks!
Whoever theorized Xehanort was the player reincarnated must feel pretty good right now
I Do.
Great vid 💯
Ephemera became unchained ava said it at the time before melody I wonder what that meant can he phase through dimensions like warp striking in v13
I always knew the arc was something suspicious since kh1
Hmm about "Ancient Masters" I personally don't think that Ancient Masters are foretellers or union leaders...in cinematic when Master of Masters was speaking to Young Xehanort (in KH3) he told him he is lost Master.
And here is my Theory: Ancient Masters are Keyblade Masters from before KHUK, Master of Masters did mentioned to Luxu that there were more like him.
I doubt they're from that far back because nobody except MoM knows about that time, that's why Luxu had to be told about it, but he still don't really know about it. Also, in the second secret report, Xehanort says Eraqus is "descended from the very first masters in the age of fairy tales", and we know now that Eraqus and Brain are connected, so even Xehanort seems to think the very first masters of that age are the Union Leaders, meaning he's not aware there were masters before that
Good thing this was revealed in the finished game
Could Demyx and Luxord be two halves of the same person? Lol imagine if they were once one.
Ansem seeker of darkness who has apprentice x heart said rikus power is above light and darkness and and then apprentice Xehanort mentioned a world beyond light and darkness a coincidence or not is riku from unreality but there are parrelel between riku and noctis caelum story both dark swords men betrayed the one they care about riku sora and noctis stella in omen trailer noctis trident luna and in v13 script noctis actually ended stella before game started that why ravis hate noctis but in 15 no reason too and riku redeem become keymaster and noctis become king of light
solid theory!
This whole story is all over the place it's like listing to a drunk guy telling a story.
Isn't that how Coded came to be?
Xehanort is Spirit as a person, so they have a connection to every living person.
One of them makes it in the past and the other made it here in the present during ansems experiments
Well, now we know the Data worlds have fallen asleep in the Darkness, which means Darkness might be infecting Xehanort with Data/ Dream memories in his sleep.
I am so confused right now
What song is used
Xehanort is emphers and skulds baby maybe probably conformed 😭
Great theory 👌🏽where are you from my g? You sound like your from my neck of the woods 💁🏽♀️
I feel like reality and unreality used to be one and post key blade war there was a split. Demyx and Luxord are keyblade weilders that were on the unreality half along with others. Since unreality has no light or darkness the keyblade became a mute point and ceased to exist in unreality instantly because there is no light to protect there. So all of these kids on unreality lost their keyblades leading them to specialise in technology instead. The narrative of union cross follows those who are on reality's side. Both reality and unreality have internally fractured into many individual worlds that we know as Disney worlds on one side and final fantasy worlds on the other.
The last remaining pod is for the player and his heart finds refuge in Xehanort's heart parallel to Ventus' heart connecting with Sora's. Im sure you've noticed Nomura making parallels between Sora and Xehanort lately.
Well if you're saying "my g" I'll take that as confirmation you're from my neck of the woods too, so yeah I guess lol
I am also very partial to the theory that Unreality is the time period from MoM's youth. I think it's a good theory and I like it a lot, it also has the potential to create some crazy twists that will change everything we thought we know about KH. I have two theories about it, but only one of them I'm confident enough in to make a video about and that'll be the video on what Yozora really looks like.
I never considered the Player's heart resting in Xehanort like Ventus with Sora but that actually makes a lot of sense
@@NextGenNovelist 😂 aha so my suspicions were correct!
Excuse me. Where oh where are you catching wind of these theories?? I've never heard that before, those are the types of theories I want to be discussing and bouncing off of. Do tell.
@@isabelstoker2063 Lol yep, it was correct.
And well, people either comment them on my videos (someone commented that exact theory I mentioned on this video) or on other people's videos. There's other sites and forums people use as well but I don't look at those very much. Some youtubers have discords and stuff but the only place I discuss theories with people is literally here in my comments section lol. Eventually I'll do livestreams because I'd like to engage with people more directly, but I'm still relatively new as a content creator but I'll get to it eventually
KH3: This is the end of Xehanort sega
KHMoM and potential future games: Everyone is Xehanort (I am not talking being norted, just relevant)
Reminds me of Just a Pancake
we're all Xehanort? he knows he is a videogame character?
just because you can customize the player in the game doesn't exactly mean that the player was what you customized cannocially. in harry potter hogwarts mystery you can customize the gender, name, & house of jacob's sibling but in cannon it doesn't specifiy name, gender, or house of jacob's sibling other then jacob & his sibling having the same house.
Lmao 🤣 2:14 is the correct answer
Xehanort sing yura yura naruto
Xehanort didn't release Skuld (subject X), Xigbar (Luxu) set her free from her confinement. It's stated in his secret report about her in KH III. Other than that, you have a solid theory.
Also here is a fine piece of thinking and linking this all together. If the NO NAME keyblade can see / has seen it all and has a direct link to MOM. Than those who lose their bodies (hopping or otherwise) and are wielders of the said keyblade, can link themselves to it's memories.
He did release her at Ansem the Wise's orders. This passage states it:
"Upon discovering the tests I've been conducting, my master demanded that I cease my work immediately and destroy what research I have compiled. Worse still, he ordered the release of my remaining subjects. She is gone.
Where is Subject X now? Has "wise" Master Ansem hidden her away? Whatever the case, I will not be deterred."
Luxu must have found her after that. Maybe Ansem took her somewhere and Luxu took her from him, but he didn't take her from Xehanort.
To your point about No Name, I considered that, but it would imply that the Player gets that Keyblade which isn't impossible, but Luxu seems to imply in the secret reports he specifically gave it to a Union Leader when he says, "Amid the chaos, I bequeathed my Keyblade to one of the Union leaders, just as the Master instructed", so that seems unlikely.. There might be a twist to it. Some people think Ephemer is responsible for Xehanort's dreams. So there's a few possibilities
@@NextGenNovelist Hereby, my bad. I must have misplaced the writer of that message. I had in my mind that Luxu (Xigbar) was the one that wrote that message.
About the theory. Luxu was vigilant over the event that had happened. If he saw the player, that is the memory that No Name also saw, thus passed on to Xehanort. And he saw it from the view of Luxu with the No Name. (Just an extra explanation to how I saw this. Anyway, I like your version way more.)
- However, I have a feeling that we're trying to make the (re) usage of footage canon because the devs didn't want to make new scenes. Hahaha
@@NextGenNovelist That is incorrect. Luxu takes her before Xehanort releases the subjects. When Xehanort goes to release the Subject X, she is already gone. Xehanort assumes Ansem hide her, but Luxu actualy did it. It is preferable Xehanort doesn't find out Luxu is trying to derail Xehanort's understanding of Unreality.
Subject X entries state "One day, A man came to take me from the prison," and "he wore an eyepatch". It is clear she is speaking of Xigbar.
Saix reports confirms she was in the prison cells beow Hollow Bastion. Subject X states she was taking from prison.
Also, this makes Xehanort start experimenting on himself which is what Xigbar needs him to do.
I still say Demyx is the m.o.m. Nomura uses a lot of common literary tropes, and the whole “almighty janitor” is overdue for a use.(aka, when the seemingly weakest or least likely character is actually the one in charge or the enemy)