How Much Does It Really Cost to Charge an Electric Vehicle? (AZ example)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Filmed in March of 2023. An overview of what it costs to charge your electric vehicle at home, at public level 2 chargers and at DC fast chargers. I provide examples of what it costs to charge certain vehicles with Arizona's electricity costs.
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01:03 - 01:10 (NOT including tax or monthly connection fee)
- Home charging
03:13 - 03:16 (Total DOES include tax)
- Tesla at Blink example
04:54 - 04:56 (Total DOES NOT include tax)
- Tesla example
05:04 - 05:08 (Total DOES include tax)
- Ford F-150 example
05:14 - 05:22 (Total DOES include tax)
- Lucid example 
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It’s important to understand that the examples supplied are from one area. These costs change by location and your utility company, so you’ll have to look up the costs where you live. This quick price calculator does it by capacity or distance. www.inchcalculator.com/electric-vehicle-charging-cost-calculator/
Additional price clarification in video:
01:03 - 01:10 (NOT including tax or monthly connection fee)
- Home charging
03:13 - 03:16 (Total DOES include tax)
- Tesla at Blink example
04:54 - 04:56 (Total DOES NOT include tax)
- Tesla example
05:04 - 05:08 (Total DOES include tax)
- Ford F-150 example
05:14 - 05:22 (Total DOES include tax)
- Lucid example
The electricity rates shown on the screen shot are crazy low. My provider in Maryland averages $0.19/kWh.
This is a great video. Looking forward to more awesome content!
@@Dactylonian I mined crypto from 2021 to the end of 2022. Utility rates have gone through the roof just like everything else - it's the ripple effect when fossil fuels are being choked by policy. In early 2021 here in Ohio, my rate was .047 per kWH. End of 2021, .09. Summer of 2022 = .12. I had to shut everything down.
TY for the vid. I have a question? Why do all EV content omit the other fees attached to your elec. bill giving you a false cost to drive and then compare them to gasoline pricing that includes them all? Example: In CT we have all sorts of fees.. when adding them to my 13.5 cent /Kw the sum becomes 41 cents. What are the add-ons in your area?
And the area you live in can have different regulations. I live on the east coast and in my area at least they can't charge by KWh provided, only by time connected to the charger. So it cost about $3.50 ($1/hr) to charge my Volt, which is a slow charge of only about 3.1KW, the charger can provide up to 6.6KW and my colleague with an BMW I3 can get twice the electricity I can for the same cost. It only makes sense to charge on a public charger for me when gas is about $3.80 a gallon, otherwise I just use the ICE generator for my return trip home from work. Charging at home of about 12.7 KW I believe runs about $1.40 last time I checked.
Where I live in Northern California it has gone from 13 cents per kwh in 2014 to current 34.5 cents per kwk for off peak rate at my home. Peak rate is almost 66 cents in the summer and 53 cents in winter. To charge my model S the cost is about 10 cents per mile. A model 3 would be about 9 cents per mile. Several hybrids get 50+ mpg. At current gas price here of $4.49 per gallon the cost for gas would be about 9 cents per mile.
Driving back from Florida it was truly cheap to charge car $6, but when you pay to park in the spot to charge$32. Well that sucked.if I would had waited till it was fully charged $58. So I left half charged
I think one of the most informant videos I've seen, thanks
It's also important to know that EVs go approximately 3.5 miles per kWh.
For 1,000 miles, you'll use approximately 285 kWh.
At 20¢ per kWh, that's $57 per 1,000 miles.
In a gas car, 1,000 miles at 25 mpg uses 40 gallons. At $3 per gallon, that's $120.
Why would stupid Rivian put a fancy charge port on the bumper of a car where most accidents happen?
Great video! Very informative! Thanks for sharing!
Very well done with good information, thanks!
Well paced video and you have a great delivery style. Thanks for the overall view of EV charging!
That is great to hear, thank you!!
Keep the great content coming! Great video quality.
Thank you. For teaching
Oh well
I just got my Ev charged from 24% to 55% on those Evo chargers like 15 minutes for $30 not Even 100 millage still expensive as gas
That was my 1st Supercharge experience
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You should be charging at home for a fraction of that cost.
@@mowcowbell What if you are traveling??? Not everyone stays in the orbit of their home.
Do you live on the west coast? What area of the country are you in?
@@nca4794 👋🏼 California
@@nickjim077 thank you. I'm in the Mid-Atlantic. It sounds like if you don't have a charger at home, it's not much of a value. That's too bad.
I live near Berkeley, CA and use Pacific Gas and Electric (PGE) my tier 1 rate is $.42 and tier 2 $.52 per kilowatt. Another reason to stay away from CA. But, my local 6kW charging station charges $.20 per kilowatt.
Great video!
Peak in my area this summer will be $.50 kw at home in Northern California.
In Uk, its roughly 29 pence per kwh, plus a daily standing charge. Approx 37c 🇺🇸
Great info
I drive rideshare with a Polestar2. I found it the cheapest for my situation to purchase an unlimited charging subscription through EVCS. It $199/month but allows you to fast charge anytime and unlimited times per month for only $200. It’s the cheapest I have found for DC fast charging of 50kwh, if you live in California, Oregon, Washington.
Great video
Maybe someone already asked this question, but how LONG did it take to charge your vehicle from 20% to 80%? Is it minutes? Hours? Crucial information to know. Thanks!
On a DC fast charger you're looking at minutes. On the car we recently reviewed, the Hyundai Ioniq 6, it could charge up 10 to 80% in 18 minutes. When at home, the car will charge up overnight while you sleep.
From what I know regarding battery charging - fast charging cannot be good for battery longevity.
When you quoted your local electricity cost/kwh did that include supply and delivery? In MA I pay .17¢/kwh for supply but the delivery is another.17¢/kwh. So .34¢/kwh. However, charging my ford lightning at home my first bill is astronomically high. Way above what I expected based on the miles driven and charging I did. Something isn’t right.
@@user-ik4fd9ny4b dc fast charging is what you’d use on a road trip. The vast majority of charging is done at home.
As of this morning [12/15/23] the cost to charge a model 3 with an 82kwh battery is 9.25$C
If you have to recharge while out on the road, you can waste an hour if you are lucky and a charging station is available, - right now - If someone is using it then you may have to wait an hour till they finish charging before you can start charging. What is your hourly billing rate? Does your client pay you while you charge your car?
Time to charge? Distance you van drive on 80% charge?
The home charging cost can vary so much. In many locations of California, where the most EVs live, the cost of electricity can be $0.40 per KWh. Even in Las Vegas, with all the help from the Casinos, the real cost of per KWh is $0.20. Charging on a public charging station can be even higher. In many cases, charging on the road actually cost more than most ICE cars, not to mention all the mandatory stops and long wait time. With the cost of electricity going up (out of control due to more charging demand) down the road, the saving of driving an EV can diminish quickly.
in some states like California where i live, it make no sense to buy an EV other then just you wanting one. with price of electricity reaching $0.40 per KWh, and EV barely getting 2-3mile per KWh, if u drive with no AC, not heating and all electronic off u barely get 3mile per KWh. if u music on, AC on and a billion other electronic on, u get liek 2-2.5mile per KWH. a lot of teh newer hybrid is pushing 45-55 miles per gallons. at $4.50 per gallon, at 45mile per gallon, u pay $0.10 per miles. some part of the state, is .40 cent while other at still around 30cent per KWh. so at teh cheaper end of 30 cent per KWH, if u driver conservatively, u paid $0.10 per miles which is what u normally paid for gas. if ur from the parts of teh state where u pay 40cent per KWh and u live ot drive with music on, AC on, heated seat/steering wheel and so forth, at 40cent per kWh and 2.5mils per KWH, u lookin to pay $0.16 per mile conpare to 10cent per mile on gas. EV cost like 60% more then gas. people dont really realize it cause when they pump gas, they wait til almost empty then get a full ake for like $50 so it seem a lot. while on EV, thye pull it in at nite, charge like 15-20 KWh each nite which i like $6-$8 so it seem so little compare to teh $50 or $40 they pay for gas every 2 week.
i bought a bolt for commuting purposes 5 days a week. . now i also use it on my day off,,, my ice car sits.......
Hi, just wanted to give my experience with charging electric vehicles. Usually, if you bought an electric car, you have a little more disposable income, than the regular person and in that situation It would be wise to invest in a small off grid solar system to go along with your electric vehicle because otherwise i believe it defeats the purpose of owning an electric vehicle. I ask what is better than to be charging with sunshine. Now granted that charging with solar is a opportunistic style of charging because you take what ever energy the sun gives you and not every day is
expected to be sunny days but living in the golden state (CA) or silver state (NV) we have to take advantage of being considered sunshine states. We have no excuse not too have solar with prices on solar panels and batteries at all time lows. You can build a 10 kilowatt system (40 miles range) for under $3000 that will outlast the ownership of your electric vehicle. Solar panels have a life of minimum 20 years and LiFePO4 batteries have a life of minimum 10 years but both will keep on working for many more years after. Most people dont drive more than 40 miles per day and charging is cumulative. That means that any unsued charge carries over from the previous days charge. In closing previously to purchasing my 2013 chevy volt when i was driving an (ICE) internal combustion vehicle i was paying more like $40 to $50 per week. Wish you all positive vibes.
@@ketolifestyle68sell the ice ,you don’t need it.
Absolutely agree! Here in Stockton (near Sacramento) it’s .63 to charge during the day and even on a EV plan you’re paying between .34 to .37. There really is no upside for me to trade my 32MPG Honda Fit on an EV but a few downsides. Take care.
States will start charging you by the mile for road use. Any idea how much replacement batteries will cost?
Is there anything i can do.... I live in a condo and I don't have a garage. Is there an alternative to home charging?
Is it worth still getting a used tesla model s 2018?
In my case, $250 to charge at home for the past year.
Mileage as per 250 Dollar's
@@jamesgreen807 Depends on the price of gas and kwhr/mile of the particular EV.
In my case (which is a long and boring story) I pay $0.11/kwhr and get around 3 miles per kwhr. Today gas is $4.50/gal. So for $4.50 I can buy 40.9 kwhr of charge, which will propel me 122.7 miles. So that's 122.7 miles per gallon equivalent.
@@331SVTCobra explain to me like I’m a 5 year old
@@331SVTCobra The problem as I see it is you calculate usage by the mile. In my case it needs to be done by the hour. If I go to feed cattle and the snow is deep and I have to chain up on all four tires then run the truck in 4x4 low how many hours will I be able to run. Milage means nothing. I may only go 10 miles but it may take 3 hours under full load on the engine or motor. If I were a town boy an ev might be ok but I'm not a city boy.
@@ReallyGotMotion
$4.50 gets them 122 miles on their EV.
$4.50 per gallon will get you considerably less than that ona gas car
You have some really great electric rates in AZ. I pay .14 cents per Kwh year round in Oklahoma.
some states charge by the minute it only take 15 minutes to go 50 miles
I signed up for EVgo's PlusMax member plan. I like them better then Electrify America. I have found the EA stations are crowded and often have broken chargers or chargers running slow. EVgo has a program called "Renew" and EVgo renew stations seem to be the best there are out there. New & fast chargers. Thx for the vid. I enjoyed watching.
$.39 per kilowatt hour at home in Connecticut. No significant savings on off peak hours.
You should switch suppliers.
@@willaerley7140 Alternative suppliers charge about $.13 per kilowatt hour as opposed to Eversource which charges $.25 per kilowatt hour. Delivery charges would remain at ~$.15 per kilowatt hour regardless of the alternative supplier. Benefits of Eversource is that they’ll pay $500 towards EV charging equipment and another $500 to an electrician’s fee for installing the charging equipment. Also they offer $200 off per year for off-peak charging. (I’m assuming I would lose these incentives if they were not my supplier).
@@BobbieGWhiz Hmm. I’m not sure about the loss of incentives. Eversource will still be billing you for the delivery part of the bill. It’s worth a phone call.
@@willaerley7140 I called Eversource and they say that I would still be eligible for the incentives as I am their customer despite the fact that the supplier is changing.
@@BobbieGWhiz That’s good. I live in Wallingford and we have a town owned electric. Eversource is ridiculous!
Smart meters ... allowed the variable charging rates, prior to the smart meters there was no way to charge based on time / peak hour vs low use rates.
Thank you! Nice job.
In the uk we pay the equivalent of $0.35 per kwh. 😮
Just to be clear, the station/network sets the pricing scheme, not the car. I know what you were getting at from your previous tests, but don’t want people to think the Lucid only gets billed by the minute for example
Why haven’t legacy automakers switched from the beleaguered legacy auto CCS1 port to the new North American Charging Standard (NACS) yet?
I suspect it might have something to do with Tesla not offering up the specifications for free until this year. Designs and development for many vehicles has been underway for a while so Tesla was too late. Not sure what the future holds but I suspect that legacy automakers have little interest in sending their customers to the Tesla ecosystem. But to be clear, again this is all speculation.
@@aaronbachler9053 This garbage didn’t age well 😂
@@AlijahSimon what garbage?
Ford, GM, Rivian announce they are going nacs...
so is a good idea to get solar panel for the house so you can charge your vehicle?
It's not wise to allow someone to place solar panels on your roof unless they put in writing they will remove the panels and reinstall them when the roof has to be replaced.
@@russellkeeling4387 I just replaced my roof this year
How long does this take ? I hear you talking about charging for hours I just need to whip in and fill it up and go!
Hi Judy! When you're on the go you'll be using fast charging which doesn't take long to charge and is suitable for road trips. The slower charging is when you're at home and will charge your car overnight.
I charge my EV in 12 seconds. Six seconds to plug it in at night when I go to bed, and a further six seconds to unplug it when I get up in the morning. The part in the middle is irrelevant, because I'm asleep. I've never needed my car while I've slept. I charge up around every 8 to 9 days.
EVs, unlike ICE cars, don’t consume 20 megawatts - which is the equivalent amount of power transferred in fueling from a gasoline pump. Teslas have the best routing and planning and will tell you exactly how many minutes you need to charge if you’re doing across the country road trips.
I charge at work the a day or two a week on Level 2 chargers for free. FREE! I go for weeks without paying for fuel.
Best👍
To convert the cost per kilowatt hour to cost per gallon of gasoline multiply the cost per kwh by 12.38333. To calculate the cost per kilogram of hydrogen, multiply the cost per kwh by 33.33333.
Great video as always! I envy you have a very cheap electricity rate. I live in LA and they charge me $0.30/kwh
Great video, some idiots never answer the question in the uk. They say things like who knows, or how long is string.
Losers.
Thanks for the information, home is the cheapest.
How many miles per 100% charge?
Does cold winters effect battery life? Ea Maine or Montana .
Hello, the range all depends on the car you get. As for winters, the battery lifetime itself shouldn't be affected by the cold. You can see slower fast charging in cold climates but that can be avoided with preconditioning. Most modern EVs use heat pumps to heat the cabin, which has helped range in cold weather dramatically.
Garage your car in winter & leave it there. Drive in good weather only - in Maine.
Does home owners insurance go up if you put a charging station in your garage?
My insurance didn't ask about it. It's a fairly simple electrical appliance so I don't think they'd care. It's no different than hooking up an electric dryer or water heater.
As soon as Highland drops I'm getting the performance, anticipation is killing me. The test drive was so fun and the car was very planted to the pavement
Sounds good up front but for those that drive more than 100/week and can't charge at home, the costs add up quickly....oh and while petrol has doubled over the past 2 years, my electric and gas bill have nearly tripled....
Does anyone know how much the battery last and how much it cost to replace it on any small electric vehicle?
The battery ought to last anything up to around 10+ years, after which some efficiency (range) will be lost. Full replacement is not necessary, as you can have the battery pack repaired/refurbished, by having the failing cells in the pack replaced with good ones. This costs just a fraction of the cost of replacing the whole pack. Typically, it might cost around the same as having a new clutch installed in an ICE car.....
@@Brian-om2hh How much time does it take to fix the battery?
@@russellkeeling4387 The 10 year old Nissan Leaf, having it's battery pack refurbished in the RUclips video I watched, took 4 hours for the work to be completed. The cost was £500.... The work was carried out by a UK based independent EV specialist....
My home electricity bill already $500 / mo (San Jose, CA). Can I use Tesla battery to power my home ?
NOPE. That's the whole point. If California succeeds in forcing gas powered vehicles into extinction, then the electricity rates will soar. You think $500 a month is bad? Get ready for $600 and then $700 a month when you have no choice but to charge your EV. Stop and think. Why do they want to ban them (gas powered cars) so badly? Trust me, Newsom and his ilk will NOT be driving EVs while they scream at the rest of us poor people to get an EV or get fined. And then they'll start taxing us for everything EV related.
But don't forget that although your home electricity cost would increase slightly, your gas bill would vanish completely.....
@@Brian-om2hh hes from CA, in the great state of California where nothign make sense, the electricity bill for a tesla is like 60% higher then the gasoline bill for a prius. most people buy a EV cause they want to help out teh enviorment but only charge their EV at nite where 90% of the electricity generation is form cheap coal plant so electrcity is at it cheapest, and not charget during the day time where u gt peak solar and wind electricty cause those electricity is too expensive.
8 cents a kWh!!!! Our off peak is 18 cents and peak time is 32 cent a kWh!!!
Agreed that charging at home is cost-efficient in most countries. But charging on the road can be brutal.
My ICE does 34mpg (actual real‐life combined hwy and local driving) and the current price at the nearest gas station is $3.29/g. That 3.29/34 = 0.097$/mile.
What is the $/mile of a typical EV charging at a supercharger? I read it once, but Iam pretty sure it is much more than what I pay.
Just did a quick cost per mile calculation using the most expensive pricing of the superchargers in my area.
55kWh battery
X 47 cents per kWh
=$25.85
÷ 250 miles (range from the example car in the video)
= 0.1034 per mile
A bit more than gas but not "brutal". Keep in mind this is the most expensive supercharger at the most expensive time of day for my area - this number will be different elsewhere and with a different vehicle.
I'm in AZ, and my M3P has 10,000 free supercharger miles (expires in Jan 2025).
Any recommendations on great places to visit?
So someone else has to pay for your 10000 miles. Your car and all the others sold are leeches upon the rest of the car owners.
Prudhoe Bay, Alaska via Dalton Highway. I just came back with my RAV4 Hybrid. I saw zero EV on the entire length of this highway.
Nice video
For some folks, adding an outlet in their garage, could cost them thousands of dollars let’s not forget.
Also, something that caught my eye was the vast number of possible charging connections that are currently out there the need to carry around multiple adapters, that is insane. I do understand the Tesla seems to have won when it comes to the charging connector standard, and that the other auto manufacturers will be moving to their version at some point.
What would be more helpful is to get an idea as to the cost per-mile in each of the charging scenarios.
That would be a couple of peanuts 🥜 usually.
"For some folks, adding an outlet in their garage, could cost them thousands of dollars let’s not forget. "
Sure, but if you bought the EV -- and the house, for that matter -- you can probably afford that.
Plus, you can charge them off just normal household current, it just takes longer. Unless you're driving 200 miles per day, which the vast, vast, vast majority of us don't do, trickle charging all night off household current will work just fine. You can probably get 20 miles overnight; the average commute is 30 miles. So charge it once a week to full using a public charger and then every night from household current, shouldn't be a problem. 🙂
Hi, just wanted to give my experience while charging my 2013 chevy volt For the standard level 1 charger 110 volt I am able to get about 4 miles of charge per hour
Thousands of dollars to install a home charger is a worst case scenario. Even in those cases there are incentives to defray some of the costs. Our home charger installation cost us nothing but that is the best case scenario.
What I'll never understand is different rates for different times of the day. I'm in NC and my electric rates are only seasonally adjusted rates. For six months we'll pay 9 1\2 cents per kwh and 11 cents per kwh. It's that simple. I feel sorry for California and Texas where bills could be in the thousands depending on you usage and a few other factors. Geeze...
Your Kwh price is actually double because you arent adding the distribution costs. Still better at home.
Billing your costs may vary and how your electric provider handles their billing may be different as well. For mine there is ~$20 service fee for the connection and then power is billed at the rate mentioned in the video. All delivery/demand fees are included in that cost per kWh. So aside from the connection fee which I'd pay even if I didn't have an EV, the cost is exactly as specified. Hope that helps!
It sounds like if I live in a apartment and buy a E-van and can only charge on the road it can be very expensive If I can't find the free ones.
So buying gas or diesel isn't expensive then?
Changing at home is the easiest. Go outside and change, and the prices are different.
$4.81 to charge compared to $65 to fill up a gas tank. Im in
Every 200 miles. Recharge for an hour. Hope you don't live where it gets below 32* degrees, they use more power. Or too hot, due to needing ac.
¡Je je! Nos tomaste el pelo, Lorena, al decir que "¡ya está! eso es todo". ¡Bien hecho con este video! Your examples are great, very informative, especially for those with variable utility rates. I can tell you that, after driving EVs for 11 years and 131,854 miles, I have paid ZERO to charge at home (thanks to my solar array). If I didn't have solar, and instead charged from the grid, I calculate that I would have paid $5,946. On roadtrips, however, I've paid $2,660 to charge -all of it at Superchargers. Unfortunately, Elon Isherwell has raised the latter's prices astronomically. The first year a roundtrip to Sacramento, CA, cost me $77.94. Just two months ago the very same trip cost… $214.11! That's about the same as if I'd paid for gas to drive a modest Honda Civic. Ah, well… I don't drive EVs just to "save money," but to help mitigate the climate crisis. BTW, I see you filmed in Baker, CA, where I have plugged in countless times. Thanks, Lorraine!
Cheap for now but here comes Uncle Sam and inflation
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That 55 Kwh to charge a Tesla would cost about $30 in the UK so think yourselves lucky .
The answer is it depends on the area of the country and local electric rates, on whether you’re charging at home or public charger and whether you are using a fast charger. Even within the public fast charging networks there can be a wide range of charging costs even when they are located next one another. The best solution for most EV owners is to charge at home unless you are traveling far from home.
Fast charging is hitting you at 200 to 300% more then at home.. most will charge at home..
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Blink is expensive
What are cons for electric cars?
Hi! EVs aren't perfect, no solution is. Currently EVs are more expensive than their gas counterparts and charging networks outside of Tesla's network are in need of improvement. Personally I do feel that the pros outweigh the cons and have been very happy with the purchase of my car.
con for EV is jsut a matter of inconvienient depend on where u live, u can be paying as much as 2x or 3x more for electricity then gasoline. if it ever break down, EV it liek 10x harder to try to get it repair and the waitline depend on where u live can be 5 to 10time longer then with ice car. with ice car, u have ur stardard fuild charge mantain. with EV, not so much but ur constantly connected to their server, so if u have like a tesla, even though u own teh car on paper, technically, u dotn own the car, if u do any mod to the car softwar, it get over ride and reset when u connect back to server. if u battery die and u decide to get a bigger batter, u can ony use teh same amount fo charge as ur owe one since u car was configure for that battery size, ull have to pay tesla xtra amount fo $$$ to make the change on ur car profile to use th enew battery size. bassically u "own" the car but to do anything to it, u need permission from the car company to change it. i really hate teh direction that ev is taking cars.
cute.. I mean insightful
Middle ev car .. cost very little energy....no mentaining
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Your cost of 8.7 cents per KWh is the lowest I’ve heard of in over 20 years.
The average price per KWh in California is 26.7 cents.
Makes no sense, then why is my electric bill like 200.00 a month for only a 1000 kwh, if its so cheap to charge an ev. No way I'm only paying. 08 cents to .36 cents per kilowatt.
Hello! That rate is specific for my area. You'd have to check what you have available. Keep in mind there are some special EV plans that offer cheaper charging at night. Based on the numbers you gave, it sounds like you'd be paying about 20 cents per kWh.
California Superchargers are now 58cents/kWh. It's cheaper to put $6 gas in a Toyota hybrid.
It's even cheaper to put $3 gas in a Toyota hybrid if you live on the east coast of the USA.
I just drove 815 miles from Florida to Maryland, and bought gas three times:
1) Buc-ee's in St. Augustine, Florida @ $2.98 per gallon.
2) Buc-ee's in Florence, South Carolina @ $2.96 per gallon.
3) Exxon in Fredericksburg, Virginia @ $3.19 per gallon.
If you have never heard of Buc-ee's gas stations, you should check them out on RUclips, or online. All of the newer Buc-ee's have more than 100 gas pumps, and their convenience stores are at least 50,000 square feet.
I think someone should make a truck that carries a big heavy battery, and it can be called a charge truck. It can drive from green energy farmers into charging stations, and do fill-ups from there.
Im not totally sure if this is what you mean, but Tesla does something similar around holidays. They have trucks with big battery packs and charging stalls on the back of them, they bring them to congested sites around the holidays to try and alleviate lines. It's a pretty neat temporary solution for long lines!
@@CallasEV Thx. That proves the concept. So now green energy farmers in the country could do the same thing. ha ha! They could drive to charging stations in the cities.
Supercharger Arbitrage!
I highly doubt I’m the first person to come up with this idea, but here it is, nonetheless.
Perhaps the single best, or at least most powerful way to motivate humans to do something is to pay them for their actions. “Economic Incentivization” is a powerful tool!
One of the issues around EV charging currently, and for the foreseeable future is charging speed at DC fast charger stations. There are multiple problems and multiple potential solutions surrounding this issue, but here’s a partial solution that may work out very well, if it can be technically implemented.
Scenario:
It’s late 2025, and I own an EV with a large (let’s say 150 kWh+) battery. My vehicle is connected to a NACS DC fast charger, and is charging at close to the maximum 350kW that the charger can provide, over an 800V connection. I am having dinner at a nearby restaurant, and my state of charge (SOC) has reached 53%, with a target of 80% for ending the charge, since I have no need to fully charge my battery in this session, and my pack uses NMC cells, which prefer to not be fully charged unless the extra range is needed.
Another EV pulls in next to mine, and connects to a paired charger that is on a shared feed with mine, so the charge rate I was at immediately halves, so that the 350kW maximum feed power that the two chargers share is not exceeded. All well and good, in many cases, if both EV owners are patient. But what if the owner of this second EV is in a hurry, or is simply willing to pay extra to charge faster?
“Simply” making every charger at every station capable of supplying 350kW or more at any time, day or night, fed directly from the grid is not yet a practical possibility, so what to do?
Arbitrage is the answer! It just so happens that I’m not in any sort of hurry, so as I sit enjoying my meal, my phone makes a “ka-ching!” sound, reminiscent of an antique cash register. I glance at the notification, and see that my pre-programmed arbitrage settings are allowing the second EV owner to charge at 800kW. He’ll be at 80% SOC in just over 8 minutes!
How is this possible, you might ask? It is simply because I’ve given default permission for my EV to not only stop charging, but feed some of its battery charge to the other EV, over the 800V direct DC connection to the charger. The other EV is not only now drawing the full 350kW that the charger pair can provide, it’s also drawing 450kW from my EV’s battery.
It happens that I’m satisfied to let my pre-programmed defaults run in this session, so I’m content to let my battery deplete down to only a 20% SOC, since I’m close to my destination, where I know I can charge overnight from an EVSE in my friend’s garage, and at a VERY low cost, due to their participation in their electric utility’s time of use rate plan.
For my willingness to allow this to happen, I am rewarded handsomely in future fast charge credit, paid for by the other EV owner’s willingness to pony up some $$ to cover the faster charge rate, so he can get to his hot date on time. I could have opted for other scenarios by simply tapping an option or two on my phone, such as insisting on the 350kW charger being shared equally between the two EVs, or my EV charging at a reduced rate, giving him more power, or my charging stopping entirely until he is charged, then resuming, without ever depleting my battery, etc. But my willingness to “sacrifice” some of my battery’s energy, at least temporarily, worked out well for both parties.
No doubt there are many additional scenarios that can be imagined where some variations on this them can prove to be mutually advantageous…
Let’s make this happen!
Only 10-20% battery usage per day? It's like, how many miles you do on average?
10% in my car is roughly 25 miles. I'd say my daily milage is somewhere between 25 and 50 miles per day.
@@CallasEV 25 miles consumes only 10% of the battery? Gooosh these are pretty good numbers!
@@CallasEV I'm still thinking about switching to electric but am concerned about certain aspects. For example, have you had any major repairs so far? People say likelyhood of problems is lower, but if you do then repair is more costly.
No major repairs so far! We have a video series that's run over the past few years which covers all maintenence done to the cars regularly featured on the channel. It's pretty in depth and even goes into small items like cabin air filters.
How many cars you have??
In South Australia our electricity provider charge 60cents/kw flat rate peak . My Ev is a PHEV Mitubishi Eclipse cross .
The car has a 13 .8 kw battery & can travel roughly 45 km / full charge.
13kw x .60 cents =$7.80 = 40 km (Roughly) =$19.50 / 100 km
Purely on petrol the "ICE "car can do approx 8lt/100km
Petrol in South Australia is currently averaging $2.00 lt .
8lt x $2.00 =$16 /100km
My electricity provider pays 8 cents/kw for electricity that I put back into the grid so that is my cost/kw when the sun shines.
13kw x.08c = $ 1.04 = 40km (Roughly) = $2.60 /100km
Conclusion EV''s on mains grid are more expensive than "ICE' to run /km.
Of course if you have Excess Solar & your car can suck that up then the tables are turned.
Do u own all the EVs in this Demo?
and you didn't tell us how long it takes to charge
The answer is , not long sometimes and a bit longer other times😁. That is about as specific as most EV owners get.
Just wait til the blackouts hit 😂
So how will you get gas if the blackouts hit? Gas pumps run on electricity.....
one upside to EV is that if there a blackout and u have full charge, u can hook up ur ev to power ur home for teh day. down side is that if ur battery is out and there a blackout, ur stuck at home.
Tesla is the only electric vehicle or vehicle you should buy.
Why? I bought an alternative brand, and I've been happy with it for 3 years.....
Yeah, you have to pay for the very expensive ev, insurance and the house. People in apartments can get any chance of what are you talking about. Or those have to sleep in the ev during charging at chargepoint stations. Supercharger is different money.
So the video takes into consideration the simplest calculation. In some areas, the admin and delivery fees fluctuate based on the kilowatts used. These should also be included in the cost calculation.
Keep in mind that the slower charge from home will result in longer battery life.
Superchargers should only be used on trips and their frequent use isn't supposed to be good for battery life.
EVs rule though. Cost and environment are great, but the fact is that EVs are more fun to drive and they give much better handling and ride.
And if we're talking about performance, a Tesla 3 Performance will beat a Mustang GT-350 in the quarter. LOL.
0-60 in 2.4!
How much coal is burned to charge your EV ‘s?
Exactly the same amount of coal is burned to provide power for oil refineries, so I'm not sure what your point was. Even if it is charged with electricity from coal, an EV produces zero emissions at street level, so it still wins over ICE.
It's going to depend on where your utility sources their energy mix but the US as a whole derived 19.5% of it's electric from coal in 2022. Renewables accounted for 21.5%.
Expanding on what @Brian-om2hh was pointing out: Gasoline requires approx 5 kwh of electricity to produce each and every gallon. A typical EV would be able to drive between 12 (on the low end) to 20 (on the high end) miles on that 5 kwh, without having to burn diesel to deliver the fuel to the gas station.
@@Brian-om2hha win over ICE? Yea I like my cars with a healthy serving of slavery to mine the cobalt
In my case, none. I buy my electricity from a supplier who sell only 100% renewable electricity. How much coal fired electricity do oil refineries use?
Everybody knows electricity is free. Ask your neighbor if you can use their charger while they are on vacation.
I caught my neighbor plugging his golf cart in my outside receptacle while I was at work, he was a azzhole though,,
Lucid air is extremely expensive to buy and run. Just buy a Tesla
It really is ridiculous. Say you have a phev with a 20kwh battery. That charge gets you…35-40 miles tops before gas kicks in. I recently saw DC for .56 per kwh. If you filled up that’s $11.20 for 35-40 miles of range. Gas is about $5.50 a gallon here. A gallon of gas gets you 20-30 miles. So go figure. Electricity is more expensive than gas if you don’t have home charging. Think twice before getting an EV!
That's not so rigth. A gallon of gas will take you to 17 to 21 miles in must of the vehicles. In some of the mush energy saving will do 24 to 28 miles por gallon.
EV will always bit gas vehicules
@@alfredoromero122 EV are modern car, u have to compare it to modern car. a 2022-2024 hybrid camery get u 40mpg, a 2023 pruis can get u 50mile per gallon, thats $4.50 for 50miles. most EV get about 2.2mile per KWh. a 20KWh battery get u 40miles but at his price of $0.56 per KWH, u paying twice as much for electricity for the same milages. 17-21 mile per gallon are decade old ice car. if u gonna make caparison, sing u suing new ev, compare it to new ice car. gasoline is 2x cheaper the electricity. electricity will only get mroe expensive form here on out.
price of gas double since bidden took office cause he want to end gasoline, but the price of electricity has triple where i live. as usage and demand of gasoline go down as more car use electricty, price of gasoline will only drop unless the government keep on taxxing the shxt out of gasoline to extinction, but one thing is for sure, price of electrity will only go higher and higher as teh demand for it increase as the government of the world force it citizen to use it. here in California as more and more peole get EV, our grind can no longer support it, we are ask by our state government to not charge our EV on certain day simply cause the grind can not support it. i some part of the state we are seeing price of electricity uppingto $0.60 per KWh.
lol, i think i will just keep my civic, its almost as refilling my car..
Also don't forget to calculate the vehicle cost. $60k for an EV for $10 fillups is a lot more then an inexpensive ICE.
That $3000 over 10 years you saved by not purchasing gasoline, costs you $18000 in a replacement battery or the car gets salvaged. Sounds like a very sound investment!, and so much better for the environment!
I wouldn't own one if it was free talk to me when you have to replace the battery i have an 1984 el Camino i would bet my cost is alot less than any EV after 40 years
Just wait until your state adds a per mile tax on your ev just like they get gas tax to pay to fix the roads
By a car with 70K to save 50$ a month. Specially for car with a lifespan not more that 10 years. I yes NO to that
Cost no matter, what really matters is time.
..........what about the replacement battery cost? $50K?.....insurance rates going sky high because they catch fire and completely burn up?...no comment?
Twice the cost of gas
You can save 20-30k € by buying a regular car 😂
in 10yrs time, we'll have no choice but to use EV cars
@@yusufwahab4251 in 10 years I'll be happy if they will repair a road not even hopping they will build a working charging infrastructure.
Even in Norway where you have the ideal conditions, money, small country, EV discount, clean energy sources you will see people driving gas cars and not willing to trade for EV. Over countries can't even hope.
And you'll save a lot more once oil runs dry.......
EV sucks without charging infrastructure, you can’t find a working charger and charging is neither fast nor cheap. Thanks Biden for the inflated gas prices.
The current charging landscape outside of Tesla's Supercharging network does need work. That being said, most people aren't affected by this since they're able to charge up at home. Most EV owners go months without using fast charging infrastructure. EV ownership isn't 100% perfect yet, but neither is owning a gas car.
how much time do you have to wait if you do not have a home charger. not including finding a charger, a fast one, and if it is working. that seems like a lot more stress than i would care for.where does the electricity come from, and why do they say you have to drive over 60k miles before it is over the amount of carbon it takes just to make the battery do you care about child slavery to make them