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Somehow, I can't see Elizabeth getting involved in such a plot. She would have known the dangers, and that no way would she get out unscathed, I don't believe she even knew about it. Thank you, as usual Kat, you have given much food for thought, happy Easter.
I can heartily recommend History Hit. I have subscribed from the start and have always found something interesting, sometimes thought provoking (like your RUclips videos, Dr Kat!) and unusual. Thank you for another great video. From my understanding of Elizabeth, even from very young she knew how to stay on the tightrope in order to stay alive, so I doubt that she was actively involved in Wyatt’s rebellion.
I owe Dr. Kat an apology. Last November I assumed she’d hit 100k by Christmas. I have no idea why that hasn’t happened, but I opened by big mouth and declared it would. I am so sorry Dr. K. You deserve a million subs, and you will get there. I’m sorry RUclipss algorithm is a joke. Your content is top tier and I always am learning something interesting by watching your uploads.
I think it makes all the sense that Wyatt didn't out Elizabeth in the end - the goal was to have her crowned, not executed. I'd guess he still had hope she would eventually become queen, particularly considering Mary's age (not great for childbearing).
I think that’s very likely but I also think that shows how committed he was to the plan and to Elizabeth because he was willing to gamble with his soul like that.
@@ReadingthePast But would he have seen it as a gamble? If he truly believed and was committed to his cause, maybe he thought God would see the righteousness of it. He was, after all, working for what he believed was God's True church, against Popery. He had failed, but by saving Elizabeth, there would be others to complete the work. Just another way of seeing it. There have been enough recent fanatics who died believing they were doing God's bidding, and by martyring themselves they would be guaranteed a place in Paradise
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Living in the age where freedom of religion is the law, I've always find it so difficult to understand how, from Henry VIII through the next couple of hundred years, when the leader of the country changed, you had to change your religion or face possible death. Maybe that's what fascinates me so much about this time. And the fact that because one man didn't get his own way (Henry) and had, basically, a royal hissy-fit, that, thousands upon thousands of people were murdered because of their religion (both sides). It even spilled into the British colonies of North America...Maryland and Virginia had bloodshed because of this back and forth. Of course it didn't help much when had this group or that trying get/stay in power and fanning the flames and making things that much worse.
The knock-on unrest of reformation has been spilling blood across the continents for centuries. I think it’s absolutely wild when I take time to try to full consider that!!
Once again Dr. Kat has raised intriguing questions after a masterful session of teaching us so much. Thank you, again, for another Friday that makes us think and want to delve further!
While I think that Elizabeth definitely knew about the plot, I don't think she was very involved in either its planning or its execution. Also, given her resistance to marrying, I don't think Elizabeth would have been entirely on board with the plan for her to marry Edward Courteney, and likely had plans of her own in the event that it did succeed to make sure she didn't have to.
Just popping in to say how much I love Wyatt the Elder's poetry. It was a fascinating time for English poetry, when the iambic pentameter was beginning to become the standard. Dr Kat, would you consider doing a vlog on the poetry of the time? Or could you suggest someone who talks about it? This was such a dramatic time in history as well as literature! And Surrey, too, was such an influential poet. I love your videos, so straightforward and understandable.
I want to say thank you Dr Kat, you make history fascinating. Being American this really helps me get a feeling for world politics that eventually led to my country. You're an absolute treasure
I’m a Wiot descendant. I find your video to be informative and a fascinating peek into the past. I was a bit disappointed that you chose to digress and focus so intently on Eizabeth at the end with so many questions posed to the audience about her, but not about Wyatt the younger, who ostensibly was to be the topic of the video? It seemed odd. I get that Elizabeth was much more famous, but isn’t the point of informing about others to help educate and enlighten beyond the all too common glitz and glam of the royal circle? Anyway, thanks for posting a video about Wyatt’s rebellion.
Another fascinating video, Dr. Kat. Thank you! It was nothing short of a miracle that Elizabeth lived to see a crown on her head. Her court and household must have been under a constant state of suspicion. One of her portraits shows her wearing a garment with symbolic eyes and ears applied to the fabric. No doubt she was sending a message...don't even think about it...I see all; I hear all. Brilliant.
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Not English, but I would love to see your take on Juana la Loca. Another Queen embroiled in the machinations of men. And as she was the sister of K of A there is a link. She was Mary's aunt. and the mother of Philip 2nd.
The impression I have of Elizabeth I is that she was a savvy and intelligent woman who wouldn’t be foolish enough to put anything in writing that would be used against her. I think it is highly unlikely that we will ever know for sure if she had any part in the plot. Wyatt took a tremendous risk but in the end he didn’t do anything that would damage Elizabeth.
I love all your videos, they’re entertaining and informative, yet also you’re able to talk about scandals respectfully and sensibly, in a way that is both calming and entertaining.
Hi Dr. Kat! I would love a video on atheism during the early modern period in 'the west'. I know historically (and sometimes still today) it was incredibly dangerous to deny the existence of the christian god, or even just question it, but I know there had to have been people who were non-religious. I'd love to know what their existences might have been like and if they were ever able to organize, even if it was in secret.
I think she may have had knowledge of the rebellion but she made sure she was kept in the dark of its inner workings so she had believable denieablity in it.
I just love your program ... ii also am dyslexic,,I love history, but was limited I'm my education... But went to nurses school after I learned how to retain the information I was to learn ... So glad I was able to use a tape recorder... And you make it so easy to learn (for me) ... Bless you and keep your programming going. Tnx.
Whenever I see or read about Thomas Wyatt, I always (irrationally) hope the ending will be different. I'm not sure how involved Elizabeth was or how much she knew. It's all a nail-biting story. I always feel sorry for Wyatt. I often wonder how different things would have turned out if Mary had been removed from the throne. As to Elizabeth becoming ill from stress.... I can tell you that it's completely plausible. A stress migraine is one the worst things ever!
Dr. Kat, you are just the absolute BEST! I always learn so much from your presentations, and your personality and wit are just awesome! Would you ever consider presenting your understanding/opinion of Barbara Villiers, Lady Castlemaine? I've always found her fascinating, and she tends to be overlooked, would love your examination? Thank you for all you do!
Sad story of my 12th great grandfather. Thank God for Sir George Wyatt or I may not have ever been here. I'd like to visit the Tower of London someday. I'm so glad I didn't live back then, or I may have been in the same predicament.
Given Elizabeth's previous experience of being groomed by Thomas Seymour, and then officially interrogated about it, I think she would have been far too clever and cautious to encourage Wyatt's rebellion.
Once again, people who are willing to play dangerous games with the Tudors. The very best thing to do, if you didn't like where the Tudor monarchy was heading, would be to take a little trip to someplace like Finland or Norway, and take up bread baking, and just lay low until England sorted itself out. Then you could return, keep your mouth shut, stay out of politics, pay your taxes, and go to whatever church you were told to and hopefully you will get to die of old age in your own bed. I'm not sure if Elizabeth was guilty or not. I'm sure, however, that she knew the consequences VERY well of playing dangerous games with her family, and therefore kept her thoughts to herself. Here's a question: Were there any negative consequences that Mary would have been keenly aware of , that would have come about if she had executed Elizabeth? Civil war? Or was Elizabeth just a convenient princess to be used for other's gain?
There would always have been a chance that executing someone as high profile as Elizabeth might lead to riots and maybe civil war. Without solid evidence though that risk potentially goes up, but I think Mary’s reign would probably have weathered it. Mary’s conscience and thought for her immortal soul is, however, another issue.
Dr. Kat, I have to ask if you've done a video on Queen Elizabeth I spy master Francis Walshingham, This was the closest video I could find for the question. lol
I feel like the fact that both father and son were so supportive of Anne and Elizabeth is evidence of divine intervention or fates intertwined or something like that 1
As to the alleged portrait of Lady Jane, I'm inclined towards agreeing with David Starkey that it is a third-rate painting of an unknown personage. When it comes to to the art of portraiture England was still a perifery back then, reliant on foreign masters such as Holbein the Younger or random Dutch masters. After Holbein left, it was pertty much crickets for several decades. Queen Mary was painted by Titian and by one of his followers, but that was pretty much it. The likenesses of the young king Edward can be at best be described as passable and that of Lady Jane - the alleged one - downright inferior. It is my opinion as an art historian that the English portraiture only gained its stride in the 18th century, largely influenced by Anthony van Dyck. But once it took off, it really took off, becoming the envy of the world - we are talking Gainsborough, Hogarth, Romney here.
It always amazes me how our ancestors took execution in their stride, because it was the done thing for so long. I wonder what they'd make of The Law these days.
That’s a really good question, I wonder what parts of modern life our ancestors would find the most confusing. Maybe our justice system would be one 🤷🏻♀️
I have to call foul on casting Elizabeth as a matyr of Mary. I know Mary's reign was problematic but I can't help but have sympathy and admiration for her. She was double-crossed by her brother Edward who basically went back on his father's wishes and refused to make Mary his heir. Mary on the other hand, who really owed nothing to her father and Elizabeth did what she needed to maintain order and made Elizabeth her heir. She could have had Elizabeth's head and yet she didn't take it. It wasn't a miracle, it was up to Mary I. People need to give Mary her props. No one suffered abuse more than Mary did from her father and Elizabeth's mother.
I mean having Elizabeth survive was actually because she was a good catholic wife to her husband Phillip and he saw Elizabeth as a way (through marriage) to have England remain Catholic once it became clear Mary having a child wasn't likely, so he kept persuading her to spare Lizzie
Dr Kat, you have produced another great video. In the comments to a previous video I asked about subtitles and if I could be of any assistance. Please let me know if you read those comments. Thank you and Happy Easter.
Hello and thank you for your kind offer, I do input my own captions already; so if they are getting out of sync then I’m not sure how to fix that as a creator 🤷🏻♀️
@@ReadingthePast Captions are difficult. The BBC gets them wrong a lot. Just glad to know the process. Gratefully yours, Rosemary PS It might be interesting for you to look at the “Life in the UK” residency test. I found the lack of history in the exam appalling.
Question, does it seem proper that Wyatt would die without the lie on his lips of Elizabeth rather than have the last laugh knowing she might yet still become the heir after Mary's death?
I absolutely believe Elizabeth was fully aware as well as compliant and that Mary had every reason to doubt her. Indeed that was the beginning of Elizabeth’s formidable propaganda machine that still lives on in glorifying her and vilifying Mary. Who needs social media with that kind of influence! :)
As related to Elizabeth I as a form of martyr, I must, if I am to be honest, first fully confess to my virulent dislike of Queen Mary I. By way of explanation, I honestly believe my powerful antipathy toward this monarch is rooted almost entirely in her BURNING of so many of the subjects she swore during her speech in the Guildhall to "Love as a mother loves her children." If THAT is ANYONE'S Idea of "Maternal Love" God save us from such affection! As further explanation for my of Mary I, I myself experienced the agony of burning in an accident, in which my entire right hand, forearm and upper right thigh received 3rd degree burns. THAT was agonizing enough. To be tied to a stake and subjected to that over one's ENTIRE BODY would be a death which could only be conceived-of and sanctioned by the Devil himself. In my opinion, IMMOLATION as a form of State execution can only be excused by a mind so infected by religious mania as to be easily considered MAD. Because of my personal-though admittedly SLIGHT BY COMPARISON-experience with the agony of burning, my objections against Mary I are-and I admit this freely-in their own way as UNreasonable as hers. The only difference being MY Word isnt the difference between Life or Death for 100's of people, among them a PREGNANT woman who in her agony expelled her LIVING child, which was appallingly cast back into the flames. YE GODS! To summarize...yes, I DO believe that, in a way, Elizabeth I WAS a type of martyr. Any person as intelligent, shrewd and perceptive as she would have been fully aware of her half-sister's resentment against her, Mary's unhinged religious zeal, and the pressure her Bishops were bringing to bear against Elizabeth. Five years fearing you might at ANY moment find yourself bound for execution WOULD INDEED BE a form of Martyrdom. One of the WORST kinds. If, in my posting of such admittedly strong opinions, I have wounded or offended any of my Fellow Readers of History, I do beg your pardon. I am at most times a quite reasonable person-or try to be-but I fear on this issue-namely the reign of MaryI, most of my worst qualities come barging out by way of my mouth...or my typing. I ask your patience.
Don’t apologize for your feelings about Mary l, they are completely normal! And I’m appalled at how many people there are who would excuse and even defend Bloody Mary.
@@jehannedarc1429 I can't begin to thank you enough. I have read the comments of History buffs defending Mary I, condemning those of us who feel the name "Bloody Mary" was MORE than deserved. Their arguments defending Mary-her mental torment at the hands of her MONSTER of a father..etc. carry great emotional weight. I've rethought my comment..tempted to take it down But I simply CAN'T. It says what I truly feel. And so it remains. Again, thank you for your understanding comment.
As always, super interesting. Elizabeth was a master of propaganda. I think she was aware of the conspirancy but as intelligent as she was, she never compromised herself with writing (as Mary Queen of Scots famously did). Thank you so much for your work, always a pleasure to learn with your contributions.
Dr Kat I'm really sorry to bother you but a few months ago I saw a video on which you discussed your dyslexia in which you were highlighting a gadget which you talked of in glowing terms. At present I'm desperately searching for something to aid my grandson. Please could you give me the name of this reader. We can't afford the gadgets being recommended as they are over £200.
Does Foxe's book address Elizabeth being a traitor or not? The except here seems rather dramatic - she wasn't clapped in irons, and she was lucky that Mary showed her mercy. As for Wyatt, I think he died lying to protect the people he'd tried to put on the throne and perhaps he thought god would forgive him for that.
Very interesting. I think religion in this time is very misunderstood in our modern minds to some extent. Politics were mainly at play and God perceived in a very Old Testament manner, even for many protestants. Very individual shall we say. Plus the reformed religion gave a taste of freedom and individual responsibility although still stifled by the monarchs interpretation in some aspects...basically cult like? I had an interesting thought on Elizabeth. I am going off topic, bit I wonder If she was involved in the Wyatt rebellion and obviously survived, how this made her feel and make choices about Mary Stewart, Queen of Scots. Allbeit, Elizabeth was not an anointed Queen at the time of Wyatt's rebellion, just the fact she was shown mercy by Mary I. It must have made her aware of how she could "with wisdom" (lie with a clear conscious because of how a question was asked) Technically lie before God and STILL plot to be rid of a Queen. Not sure I phrased this so clearly. Would need verbal discussion tbh. (Always more questions....). I have so much more I could add.
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Somehow, I can't see Elizabeth getting involved in such a plot. She would have known the dangers, and that no way would she get out unscathed, I don't believe she even knew about it. Thank you, as usual Kat, you have given much food for thought, happy Easter.
I can heartily recommend History Hit. I have subscribed from the start and have always found something interesting, sometimes thought provoking (like your RUclips videos, Dr Kat!) and unusual. Thank you for another great video. From my understanding of Elizabeth, even from very young she knew how to stay on the tightrope in order to stay alive, so I doubt that she was actively involved in Wyatt’s rebellion.
I owe Dr. Kat an apology. Last November I assumed she’d hit 100k by Christmas. I have no idea why that hasn’t happened, but I opened by big mouth and declared it would. I am so sorry Dr. K. You deserve a million subs, and you will get there. I’m sorry RUclipss algorithm is a joke. Your content is top tier and I always am learning something interesting by watching your uploads.
There’s no need for an apology; we’ll get to 100,000 soon enough and then I’ll go live so we can celebrate together 🙌 thank you for your kind words ☺️
@@ReadingthePast Ohh, I’ll look forward to that Dr. Kat ❤️ And may I ask what Kat is short for? 🤗
@@kille7543 I’m fairly sure it’s Katrina? I think.
This is so true, I found her channel and enjoyed it, and was shocked to see she had less than 100K subs. This is unfair! She deserves far more
I think it makes all the sense that Wyatt didn't out Elizabeth in the end - the goal was to have her crowned, not executed. I'd guess he still had hope she would eventually become queen, particularly considering Mary's age (not great for childbearing).
I think that’s very likely but I also think that shows how committed he was to the plan and to Elizabeth because he was willing to gamble with his soul like that.
@@ReadingthePast But would he have seen it as a gamble? If he truly believed and was committed to his cause, maybe he thought God would see the righteousness of it. He was, after all, working for what he believed was God's True church, against Popery. He had failed, but by saving Elizabeth, there would be others to complete the work. Just another way of seeing it. There have been enough recent fanatics who died believing they were doing God's bidding, and by martyring themselves they would be guaranteed a place in Paradise
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 True. And there is biblical precedent for God excusing lies when it’s for a good cause, such as the Egyptian midwives
It’s a sad testament to the times we live in that your informative channel so well presented doesn’t have a million subs. You certainly deserve a million ! 🇺🇸❤️
Thank you, that’s really kind of you 😊
Living in the age where freedom of religion is the law, I've always find it so difficult to understand how, from Henry VIII through the next couple of hundred years, when the leader of the country changed, you had to change your religion or face possible death. Maybe that's what fascinates me so much about this time. And the fact that because one man didn't get his own way (Henry) and had, basically, a royal hissy-fit, that, thousands upon thousands of people were murdered because of their religion (both sides). It even spilled into the British colonies of North America...Maryland and Virginia had bloodshed because of this back and forth. Of course it didn't help much when had this group or that trying get/stay in power and fanning the flames and making things that much worse.
The knock-on unrest of reformation has been spilling blood across the continents for centuries. I think it’s absolutely wild when I take time to try to full consider that!!
I really appreciate this because my ancestors were English Catholics who settled in Maryland.
I just found out Thomas Wyatt is my 13th great grandfather on my mom's side.(My people came to America.)
Love the video!
Same here! Hello cousin! Lol. I'm American too. I found out about 20 years ago. ❤
Once again Dr. Kat has raised intriguing questions after a masterful session of teaching us so much. Thank you, again, for another Friday that makes us think and want to delve further!
While I think that Elizabeth definitely knew about the plot, I don't think she was very involved in either its planning or its execution. Also, given her resistance to marrying, I don't think Elizabeth would have been entirely on board with the plan for her to marry Edward Courteney, and likely had plans of her own in the event that it did succeed to make sure she didn't have to.
Just popping in to say how much I love Wyatt the Elder's poetry. It was a fascinating time for English poetry, when the iambic pentameter was beginning to become the standard. Dr Kat, would you consider doing a vlog on the poetry of the time? Or could you suggest someone who talks about it? This was such a dramatic time in history as well as literature! And Surrey, too, was such an influential poet. I love your videos, so straightforward and understandable.
Fascinating as always. I suspect that he had Elizabeth’s approval. However, she was clearly much too savvy to leave a paper trail.
I want to say thank you Dr Kat, you make history fascinating. Being American this really helps me get a feeling for world politics that eventually led to my country. You're an absolute treasure
Thank you 😊
I’m a Wiot descendant. I find your video to be informative and a fascinating peek into the past.
I was a bit disappointed that you chose to digress and focus so intently on Eizabeth at the end with so many questions posed to the audience about her, but not about Wyatt the younger, who ostensibly was to be the topic of the video? It seemed odd.
I get that Elizabeth was much more famous, but isn’t the point of informing about others to help educate and enlighten beyond the all too common glitz and glam of the royal circle?
Anyway, thanks for posting a video about Wyatt’s rebellion.
Hello fellow descendant of Thomas Wyatt! 👋
This was marvelous. Wyatt showed real strength at the end.
Another fascinating video, Dr. Kat. Thank you! It was nothing short of a miracle that Elizabeth lived to see a crown on her head. Her court and household must have been under a constant state of suspicion. One of her portraits shows her wearing a garment with symbolic eyes and ears applied to the fabric. No doubt she was sending a message...don't even think about it...I see all; I hear all. Brilliant.
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Not English, but I would love to see your take on Juana la Loca. Another Queen embroiled in the machinations of men. And as she was the sister of K of A there is a link. She was Mary's aunt. and the mother of Philip 2nd.
I will add her to my list, thank you 😊
I love your channel Dr Kat, Thank You so much for another video.
The impression I have of Elizabeth I is that she was a savvy and intelligent woman who wouldn’t be foolish enough to put anything in writing that would be used against her. I think it is highly unlikely that we will ever know for sure if she had any part in the plot. Wyatt took a tremendous risk but in the end he didn’t do anything that would damage Elizabeth.
I love all your videos, they’re entertaining and informative, yet also you’re able to talk about scandals respectfully and sensibly, in a way that is both calming and entertaining.
Hi Dr. Kat! I would love a video on atheism during the early modern period in 'the west'. I know historically (and sometimes still today) it was incredibly dangerous to deny the existence of the christian god, or even just question it, but I know there had to have been people who were non-religious. I'd love to know what their existences might have been like and if they were ever able to organize, even if it was in secret.
I truly appreciate this channel. There is many History content creators sprinkled over Utube, but you are a true gem.
so close to 100k, good luck, Dr. Kat. Thank you again for a great video. Hope you and yours are well.
Thank you ☺️
Just the thing to uplift me!!
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Thanks for the knowledge, Doc!
When you reach 100k subscribers we need to have a history party!!!
We definitely do!! I’m planning to go live if / when we get there! So exciting 🌟
@@ReadingthePast count me in!!!!!
I think she may have had knowledge of the rebellion but she made sure she was kept in the dark of its inner workings so she had believable denieablity in it.
Good morning fellow history buffs!
I just love your program ... ii also am dyslexic,,I love history, but was limited I'm my education... But went to nurses school after I learned how to retain the information I was to learn ... So glad I was able to use a tape recorder... And you make it so easy to learn (for me) ... Bless you and keep your programming going. Tnx.
He is one of my ancestors on my mom's side of the family tree. So interesting.
I love your videos so much! Thank you for making such interesting and informative content! 🥰
Thank you 😊
So excited about History Hit. Thank you Dr Kat! I enjoyed this vid,this is a new topic for me. Love your channel
Two bob says I'm the first Australian in the comments! I love these videos...so good.
Whenever I see or read about Thomas Wyatt, I always (irrationally) hope the ending will be different. I'm not sure how involved Elizabeth was or how much she knew. It's all a nail-biting story. I always feel sorry for Wyatt. I often wonder how different things would have turned out if Mary had been removed from the throne.
As to Elizabeth becoming ill from stress.... I can tell you that it's completely plausible. A stress migraine is one the worst things ever!
You sold me on History Hit with the Dr Susannah Lipscomb Becoming Anne Boleyn ❤
Yay, I hope you enjoy!
Thank you for your wonderful talks. I hope to watch them all.
I really like your videos where you talk about how Elizabeth made her ‘image’ and propagated these ideals. It’s a very interesting phenomenon.
Dr. Kat, you are just the absolute BEST! I always learn so much from your presentations, and your personality and wit are just awesome! Would you ever consider presenting your understanding/opinion of Barbara Villiers, Lady Castlemaine? I've always found her fascinating, and she tends to be overlooked, would love your examination? Thank you for all you do!
This has given me food for thought. I'll ponder now. Thank you Dr. Kat!
Congratulations on the sponsorship Kat. Nice match up.
I’m certainly gonna give History Hit a go, I love Suzannah Lipscombe’s documentaries.
Great presentation, Dr. Kat! Thank you,
Would love to see a video on Edward Courtenay. I've always been fascinated & interested in his story.
I’ll see what I can find out about him and add him to my list of future video ideas, thank you ☺️
@@ReadingthePast Thank you!
I really enjoy your videos. I love your narrative style
Thank you ☺️
I'm a Wyatt, wonder how far back we are related...but then again, there are many a Wyatt...
I'd love to hear your take on the relationship between Mary and Elizabeth!
Very good Dr Kat, again!
Sad story of my 12th great grandfather. Thank God for Sir George Wyatt or I may not have ever been here. I'd like to visit the Tower of London someday. I'm so glad I didn't live back then, or I may have been in the same predicament.
Fascinating. Thank you so much.
Thank you for this! 🌼
I want to than you Dr. Kat. I have been researching my genealogy. You have helped me learn about my ancestors. Thank you...
Ok I'm checking in to history hit bc of your introduction for them
Great lecture! I just wanted to say that the portrait of Mary always reminds me of Dennis Warterman 🤷♀️
I really enjoyed your video
Given Elizabeth's previous experience of being groomed by Thomas Seymour, and then officially interrogated about it, I think she would have been far too clever and cautious to encourage Wyatt's rebellion.
Once again, people who are willing to play dangerous games with the Tudors. The very best thing to do, if you didn't like where the Tudor monarchy was heading, would be to take a little trip to someplace like Finland or Norway, and take up bread baking, and just lay low until England sorted itself out. Then you could return, keep your mouth shut, stay out of politics, pay your taxes, and go to whatever church you were told to and hopefully you will get to die of old age in your own bed. I'm not sure if Elizabeth was guilty or not. I'm sure, however, that she knew the consequences VERY well of playing dangerous games with her family, and therefore kept her thoughts to herself. Here's a question: Were there any negative consequences that Mary would have been keenly aware of , that would have come about if she had executed Elizabeth? Civil war? Or was Elizabeth just a convenient princess to be used for other's gain?
Interesting ideas.
There would always have been a chance that executing someone as high profile as Elizabeth might lead to riots and maybe civil war.
Without solid evidence though that risk potentially goes up, but I think Mary’s reign would probably have weathered it.
Mary’s conscience and thought for her immortal soul is, however, another issue.
Dr. Kat, I have to ask if you've done a video on Queen Elizabeth I spy master Francis Walshingham, This was the closest video I could find for the question. lol
I feel like the fact that both father and son were so supportive of Anne and Elizabeth is evidence of divine intervention or fates intertwined or something like that 1
As to the alleged portrait of Lady Jane, I'm inclined towards agreeing with David Starkey that it is a third-rate painting of an unknown personage. When it comes to to the art of portraiture England was still a perifery back then, reliant on foreign masters such as Holbein the Younger or random Dutch masters. After Holbein left, it was pertty much crickets for several decades. Queen Mary was painted by Titian and by one of his followers, but that was pretty much it. The likenesses of the young king Edward can be at best be described as passable and that of Lady Jane - the alleged one - downright inferior. It is my opinion as an art historian that the English portraiture only gained its stride in the 18th century, largely influenced by Anthony van Dyck. But once it took off, it really took off, becoming the envy of the world - we are talking Gainsborough, Hogarth, Romney here.
It always amazes me how our ancestors took execution in their stride, because it was the done thing for so long.
I wonder what they'd make of The Law these days.
That’s a really good question, I wonder what parts of modern life our ancestors would find the most confusing. Maybe our justice system would be one 🤷🏻♀️
I always wanted to know how Jane Gray felt about everything.
Me too, I wish more people kept private diaries that survived!
You are Amazing!
Thank you 😊
Hi dr kat can you do a vlog on Birkenhead priory and st Mary’s tower ?love your stories so much thank you godbless x
This is not a topic I am familiar with, but I will definitely see what I can find out! Thank you ☺️
Any chance of getting a video on Sir Thomas Wyatt the Elder, the poet and courtier?
There certainly is; I will add him to my list! Thank you xx
I have to call foul on casting Elizabeth as a matyr of Mary. I know Mary's reign was problematic but I can't help but have sympathy and admiration for her. She was double-crossed by her brother Edward who basically went back on his father's wishes and refused to make Mary his heir. Mary on the other hand, who really owed nothing to her father and Elizabeth did what she needed to maintain order and made Elizabeth her heir. She could have had Elizabeth's head and yet she didn't take it. It wasn't a miracle, it was up to Mary I. People need to give Mary her props. No one suffered abuse more than Mary did from her father and Elizabeth's mother.
I mean having Elizabeth survive was actually because she was a good catholic wife to her husband Phillip and he saw Elizabeth as a way (through marriage) to have England remain Catholic once it became clear Mary having a child wasn't likely, so he kept persuading her to spare Lizzie
Dr Kat, you have produced another great video. In the comments to a previous video I asked about subtitles and if I could be of any assistance. Please let me know if you read those comments. Thank you and Happy Easter.
Hello and thank you for your kind offer, I do input my own captions already; so if they are getting out of sync then I’m not sure how to fix that as a creator 🤷🏻♀️
@@ReadingthePast Captions are difficult. The BBC gets them wrong a lot. Just glad to know the process. Gratefully yours, Rosemary PS It might be interesting for you to look at the “Life in the UK” residency test. I found the lack of history in the exam appalling.
elizabeth had the heart and stomach of a man she was no martyr
What do you think about her being in the Book of Martyrs?
done to promote the church of england
The more I learn about Queen Elizabeth I, the more I understand historians' fascination with her
I always felt sad for all of the successors/potential successors to Henry VIII. He left such chaos in his wake.
got anything on king edward 1901 to 1909?
I don’t, but I can add him to my list for future video topics. Thank you ☺️
Question, does it seem proper that Wyatt would die without the lie on his lips of Elizabeth rather than have the last laugh knowing she might yet still become the heir after Mary's death?
Very possible, but it would be at the risk of his immortal soul and potentially jeopardise his place in heaven.
I absolutely believe Elizabeth was fully aware as well as compliant and that Mary had every reason to doubt her. Indeed that was the beginning of Elizabeth’s formidable propaganda machine that still lives on in glorifying her and vilifying Mary. Who needs social media with that kind of influence! :)
Completely agree with you. Elizabeth I was amazing but Mary I deserves credit for a lot.
As related to Elizabeth I as a form of martyr, I must, if I am to be honest, first fully confess to my virulent dislike of Queen Mary I. By way of explanation, I honestly believe my powerful antipathy toward this monarch is rooted almost entirely in her BURNING of so many of the subjects she swore during her speech in the Guildhall to "Love as a mother loves her children."
If THAT is ANYONE'S Idea of "Maternal Love" God save us from such affection! As further explanation for my of Mary I, I myself experienced the agony of burning in an accident, in which my entire right hand, forearm and upper right thigh received 3rd degree burns. THAT was agonizing enough. To be tied to a stake and subjected to that over one's ENTIRE BODY would be a death which could only be conceived-of and sanctioned by the Devil himself. In my opinion, IMMOLATION as a form of State execution can only be excused by a mind so infected by religious mania as to be easily considered MAD.
Because of my personal-though admittedly SLIGHT BY COMPARISON-experience with the agony of burning, my objections against Mary I are-and I admit this freely-in their own way as UNreasonable as hers. The only difference being MY Word isnt the difference between Life or Death for 100's of people, among them a PREGNANT woman who in her agony expelled her LIVING child, which was appallingly cast back into the flames. YE GODS!
To summarize...yes, I DO believe that, in a way, Elizabeth I WAS a type of martyr. Any person as intelligent, shrewd and perceptive as she would have been fully aware of her half-sister's resentment against her, Mary's unhinged religious zeal, and the pressure her Bishops were bringing to bear against Elizabeth.
Five years fearing you might at ANY moment find yourself bound for execution WOULD INDEED BE a form of Martyrdom.
One of the WORST kinds.
If, in my posting of such admittedly strong opinions, I have wounded or offended any of my Fellow Readers of History, I do beg your pardon. I am at most times a quite reasonable person-or try to be-but I fear on this issue-namely the reign of MaryI, most of my worst qualities come barging out by way of my mouth...or my typing. I ask your patience.
Don’t apologize for your feelings about Mary l, they are completely normal! And I’m appalled at how many people there are who would excuse and even defend Bloody Mary.
@@jehannedarc1429 I can't begin to thank you enough. I have read the comments of History buffs defending Mary I, condemning those of us who feel the name "Bloody Mary"
was MORE than deserved. Their arguments defending Mary-her mental torment at the hands of her MONSTER of a father..etc. carry great emotional weight.
I've rethought my comment..tempted to take it down
But I simply CAN'T. It says what I truly feel. And so it remains.
Again, thank you for your understanding comment.
@@katharper655 And I too was relieved to finally come across your perfectly sane perspective regarding the homicidal Mary l.
A but facetious, but every time I see that Mary portrait I see Dennis Waterman in drag!
And now I will never be able to unsee it too 🤣🤣🤣
@@ReadingthePast Take a look at James 2nd in his Prime. If that isn't Nicholas Lyndhurst minus Del Boy......!
STOP! That cursed image is now stuck in my head too, dammit! 😣🤣
Rebel or Martyr? Are these mutually exclusive... :-)
As always, super interesting. Elizabeth was a master of propaganda. I think she was aware of the conspirancy but as intelligent as she was, she never compromised herself with writing (as Mary Queen of Scots famously did). Thank you so much for your work, always a pleasure to learn with your contributions.
Yoo this dude is my great great grandpa lol 😂
Dr Kat I'm really sorry to bother you but a few months ago I saw a video on which you discussed your dyslexia in which you were highlighting a gadget which you talked of in glowing terms. At present I'm desperately searching for something to aid my grandson. Please could you give me the name of this reader. We can't afford the gadgets being recommended as they are over £200.
It’s the OrCam Read. If you are based in the U.K., you may be able to get funding for the device through DSA.
@@ReadingthePast thank you so very much
Does Foxe's book address Elizabeth being a traitor or not? The except here seems rather dramatic - she wasn't clapped in irons, and she was lucky that Mary showed her mercy. As for Wyatt, I think he died lying to protect the people he'd tried to put on the throne and perhaps he thought god would forgive him for that.
It states that she was not involved in the Wyatt rebellion but was arrested anyway.
@@ReadingthePastWhilst I like Elizabeth, I do feel that she wasn't as lily-white as Foxe might be suggesting. Very convenient for Elizabeth, though!
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Whew! Foxe really sucked up to Queen Elizabeth!
Wouldn’t you? Seems like the smart choice to me 😉
Very interesting. I think religion in this time is very misunderstood in our modern minds to some extent. Politics were mainly at play and God perceived in a very Old Testament manner, even for many protestants. Very individual shall we say. Plus the reformed religion gave a taste of freedom and individual responsibility although still stifled by the monarchs interpretation in some aspects...basically cult like?
I had an interesting thought on Elizabeth. I am going off topic, bit I wonder If she was involved in the Wyatt rebellion and obviously survived, how this made her feel and make choices about Mary Stewart, Queen of Scots. Allbeit, Elizabeth was not an anointed Queen at the time of Wyatt's rebellion, just the fact she was shown mercy by Mary I. It must have made her aware of how she could "with wisdom" (lie with a clear conscious because of how a question was asked) Technically lie before God and STILL plot to be rid of a Queen. Not sure I phrased this so clearly. Would need verbal discussion tbh. (Always more questions....). I have so much more I could add.