This setup is not actually on the high end. If you wanted the mold machine and not all the trimmer bots and shuttle stuff. At a guess it would be around 30,000 usd. You would have to do a little more trimming and the dyes would be pricey. Unless you have your own 5 axis. You would need to source the mixture. That would be pricey as well. But doable. Dont copy anything direct unless you want a copyright infringement. Ahh yes that would be living the dream.
@@codymoreland4496 What experience do you have in pricing injection molds? I work in a bucket factory, and the injection mold machines ran about $600,000-900,000 each. Obviously a disc can be made in a much smaller machine, but I don't see it happening for less than $100,000-200,000. Adding in the other robotics, probably double that.
@@outercityboy3632 A 200 ton press is probably sufficient for molding discs. You are correct about the price of 100,000-200,000 but only if it's brand new. You could most definitely grab a 20 year old 200 ton for 30,000-40,000.
I am a cnc machinist and I used to work for a company that made injection molding tooling. We made the injection screws and barrels. It was very intricate and rewarding work. I have often dreamed about making discs and how cool it would be to work for a disc golf manufacturer.
Just starting DG again after a while. When I first started I was all about innova's due to the easy to understand system. Your youtube channel will have me lookin towards latitudes whenever I need to replace a disc.
Love it. Consistency and "seasoning" discs is my biggest gripe with disc golf. It may seem cool to find that 1 off extra stable disc or to have 3 of the same disc that all fly different. But I want to be able to order a disc and know what I'm getting. Pretty much Discraft and Lat 64 for me... But Lat 64 is winning me over more and more.
It can be a gripe, but it can also be a beautiful thing. Like having that Buzzz or Compass that you have seasoned and you know EXACTLY how they fly. Whenever I buy a disc I also look carefully at the dome and wing shape. Also, if you have a legit shop near you, ask the guys/gals how the recent "runs" they have been receiving are. More domey, grippy, OS etc. Just my 2c
@@3chrizzl thanks for the tips. I was wondering why people would look for specific runs (thinking it was just the collectors). I have been diving head first just this fall/winter since throwing here and there for 20 years with equally as old Innova DX discs.
Awesome! As I’ve gotten more into DG and why molds and discs are so different I’ve wanted to know more about how they’re made. Now I know! Thanks for putting this video together.
I´m glad you liked it, Bernard. I will be making more of this sort of videos. Maybe more into parts of the process. More information dense. Don´t know when though. /Jonathan
I just received my first Latitude 64 discs, a Diamond and Fuse. Both in Opto plastic. Oh my, this plastic feels so tasty!! Can’t wait to try them out!!
Great video. Just watched Emerson Kieth at Belton, Texas tournament. He represented Lat 64 very well. Wish I knew what discs he was throwing. Keep up the good work.
Wow....I envisioned an artist sculpturing each disc from a much larger single block of plastic......each one pain stakengly crafted to achieve the desired aerodynamic winged saucer..... . thanks for the heads up...
I've got to say, after only recently finding your channel the work you're doing here makes me want to get some Latitude 64 discs after sticking with 2 other main brands for the most part. Showing some character and tips etc is a nice touch for building a relationship with us (the customers). Keep up the great work. I'm loving these videos and the lesson videos.
@Johnathan, your videos are great! I'm glad to subscribe and watch your content. This weekend, I even purchased a few Latitude 64 discs to add to my bag, Pioneer, Explorer, River!
@@Latitude64 I used the Emerson Keith Pioneer, Grip Line Explorer, and Opto River during the Shongum Showdown 2 tournament, Gardiner, NY, this weekend and came in second place, MA3! They are all a perfect addition to my bag. I’ll need to practice more with the River to take advantage of the tremendous glide. As for the the Explorer, it’s more stable than I am used to but I really like the pin-straight flight. The Pioneer fit in my bag perfectly!
Fantastic video. Tell that machine to pump out more Opto Bolts and Opto X Saint Pros. They seem to be impossible to come by these days. I lost several of each this past year. Any. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, always nice to see inside the process, and to get a glimpse at those upcoming photos. Looks like some low temp (here) testing in the future. Cheers!
I work in rotational molding, have delt with our process for 16 years now. It is all manual work for us. I would love to get into this process it is interesting.
After watching this vid and seeing the stamping process, my question is how do double stamps happen so often? Seems like they should be almost nonexistent, unless they are done deliberately as a way to flag a disc as a factory 2nd.
Thanks for the look inside! One thing I'm wondering about is why the molds are placed in a vertical and not in a horizontal position. Wouldn't that result in a more even disc?
I have no idea to be honest. A person smarter than me might step in here to answer. My guess is that it would be harder to manufacture as the distance from the injection cylinder to the actual mold is like 2 meters / 6.5 feet. So to have it vertical wouldnt be practical in the long run. But that´s just my guess. /Jonathan
Horizontal injection molding machines are the standard (otherwise my 1,500T machine would be about 50 feet tall. Even my little baby 65T presses would be about 15' tall!). Balance on the part is achieved by pack pressure, not gravity. Gravity is extremely negligible a force when compared to the 16,000+ psi we put against the molten plastic in the mold. Typically, Vertical presses are 300T clamp pressure and under, and are used for insert molding (brass threaded inserts molded into plastic parts, electrical terminals, etc).
I would like to know how the different types of flight are put into the design? Some disc's really curve a lot. Is it the type of edge that causes the curve?
Hur mycket får discen diffa på när man mäter vikten på den? Finns det även en max/minimum vikt som måste hållas för att den ska bli godkänd för tävling. Sist men inte minst riktigt bra informativ video, keep it up
Frågade min kollega Johannes om detta. Discen får inte väga mer än 8.3 gram per centimeter av diametern. Så för en disc med 21 centimeters diameter så blir maxvikten 174,3. Vad jag vet finns det ingen gräns för hur lite en disc får väga. Men diametern får inte vara mindre än 21 centimeter i alla fall.
Absolutely love this! Thanks for the detailed video! Our crew would love to get our hands on a Royal mystery box if you are looking for some testers on video!
How much variance is there in the weight of discs produced by a mold? If they are aiming at making max weight discs then how light of weight can they get naturally, do they make another mold for lighter weight discs or do they have other techniques for getting the weight down but using the same mold, I wonder.
Here the reply I got from the manufacturing side. Every mold has a weight span for it to be good. So a max and a minumun weight. This doesnt mean that 150g i possible for every mold as some of them can´t be made in 150g and still have a high quality. I know that "Zombie" which is a lighter disc that resembles Pure had to have a different mold when the plastic was different. So it also depends on which plastic can be used to which mold. Hopfully that answered your question :) /Jonathan
As a molder, my shot size tolerances are held to +/-0.25% from standard over the entire life of production. If a disc is supposed to be 150g, it's practical range is 149.625g to 150.375g. Anything outside of that and my robot would take it straight from the mold to the reject bin.
Engineer here! I understand that most injection moulding machines sold are machines that are set to inject the mould in a horizontal axis. Does gravity cause any displacement of plastic in the rim in the vertical direction while the disc is cooling off, making the disc ever so slightly asymmetric? Would the displacement more symmetrical if the moulding were to be done in a vertical direction? Anywho, great video because i was literally thinking about this last week!
Injection molder here - same question was asked above so don't feel alone! Gravity has zero measurable effect on injection molding, as our process pressures are roughly 1,000x (or more) that of gravity's influence.
@@Michaelkv9if Cool, thanks for the input! But what explains the variance in the convexity of the rim profile? There is supposedly a noticable variance in the rim profile convexity even within the same run of discs (looking at you Star Destroyer!). Do you have an idea what might cause this?
@@thebeckerm most likely thermal deltas inside the mold that cause the disc to have hot spots. The different temperatures on the surface of the disc cause shrink differential (warp) after the disc is removed from the mold. Material thickness also plays a part, as the material won't be perfect from point to point. Today's machining processes limit this very well, and it is far less a contributor than temperature variation, but is still a variable. Conformal cooling would solve for 90%+ of the defect you're describing, however is not cheap. For a core and cavity block the size of the disc's you use, it would add roughly $30-50k per mold.
@@Latitude64 Dammnnnn! By not bullshitting this fellow with a simple yet utterly and completely honest answer, you sir have single handedly won a Discgolf disc consumer over towards your brand. It's communication justice and also quite refreshing to just hear the pure while not suspecting a fleck of B.S. THANK YOU!! Innova, Discraft, Overmolders need to seriously take note!!!
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Roses are red, the sky is blue, here are some very nice stuff for you ❤ /Jonathan
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Latitude 64, your hiring of Jonathan for Video Production was a fantastic decision! Great job.
Worth every penny
Confirmed by a large ad agency creative director.
You guuuuys.I'm blushing over here.Thank you!!
@@Latitude64 will you be traveling to GBO 2021 or the DD open in Emporia, KS?
@@BenjaminMedlock This I don´t know. Maybe if we´re allowed to travel. :)
Great! Now I need an injection moulding machine for my disc golf collection to be complete.
I have 3 already but I'm looking to get a couple extra just so I can have them in various stages of wear
@@Meta-Drew 😂😂
This setup is not actually on the high end. If you wanted the mold machine and not all the trimmer bots and shuttle stuff. At a guess it would be around 30,000 usd. You would have to do a little more trimming and the dyes would be pricey. Unless you have your own 5 axis. You would need to source the mixture. That would be pricey as well. But doable. Dont copy anything direct unless you want a copyright infringement. Ahh yes that would be living the dream.
@@codymoreland4496 What experience do you have in pricing injection molds? I work in a bucket factory, and the injection mold machines ran about $600,000-900,000 each. Obviously a disc can be made in a much smaller machine, but I don't see it happening for less than $100,000-200,000. Adding in the other robotics, probably double that.
@@outercityboy3632 A 200 ton press is probably sufficient for molding discs. You are correct about the price of 100,000-200,000 but only if it's brand new. You could most definitely grab a 20 year old 200 ton for 30,000-40,000.
Jonathan gotta be one of the best investments Latitude has done
Best. Comment. Ever! Thank you :) /Jonathan
Been dying to see some footage of disc manufacturing, thank you!
You are welcome, sir! /Jonathan
I am a cnc machinist and I used to work for a company that made injection molding tooling. We made the injection screws and barrels. It was very intricate and rewarding work. I have often dreamed about making discs and how cool it would be to work for a disc golf manufacturer.
I wasn't ready for such a precise molding cycle. I studied a bit about plastic molding and watching this video was so interesting. 😮
This is easily one of my favorite disc golf videos, used to love watching how its made.
Glad you liked it :) /Jonathan
This is somethin unseen before! Thanks for the video! You have a nice factoryline 👍🏻
You are welcome my friend :) /Jonathan
I didn’t know its that complicated🤯 im never complaining about the price again
Just starting DG again after a while. When I first started I was all about innova's due to the easy to understand system. Your youtube channel will have me lookin towards latitudes whenever I need to replace a disc.
Linda. What a legend. Next round I play is going to be dedicated to "Linda."
Love it. Consistency and "seasoning" discs is my biggest gripe with disc golf. It may seem cool to find that 1 off extra stable disc or to have 3 of the same disc that all fly different. But I want to be able to order a disc and know what I'm getting. Pretty much Discraft and Lat 64 for me... But Lat 64 is winning me over more and more.
It can be a gripe, but it can also be a beautiful thing. Like having that Buzzz or Compass that you have seasoned and you know EXACTLY how they fly. Whenever I buy a disc I also look carefully at the dome and wing shape. Also, if you have a legit shop near you, ask the guys/gals how the recent "runs" they have been receiving are. More domey, grippy, OS etc. Just my 2c
@@3chrizzl thanks for the tips. I was wondering why people would look for specific runs (thinking it was just the collectors). I have been diving head first just this fall/winter since throwing here and there for 20 years with equally as old Innova DX discs.
Been a player and discing since 77.. awesome to see how it's made. Good vid. Thanks guys!
Glad you liked it! :)
I’ve always wondered what the machines look like. Thank you for posting!!
Awesome! As I’ve gotten more into DG and why molds and discs are so different I’ve wanted to know more about how they’re made. Now I know! Thanks for putting this video together.
I´m glad you liked it, Bernard. I will be making more of this sort of videos. Maybe more into parts of the process. More information dense. Don´t know when though. /Jonathan
I am just fascinated by this process
What a tease!!!!! Love it. Can't wait to get that box with those new prototypes that you so conveniently did not describe... You're killing us!
Awesome! Would love a follow-up on the design process.
Yes. That will be done as well. :) dont know when but it will. Glad you liked the video. /Jonathan
loved getting this sneak peak into the process! thanks so much!
Awesome. Thank you so much for sharing this. Have you made any videos on how the mold is produced? I would love to see that.
Jonathan is killin it
Well thank you, sir! :)
Interesting to see the manufacturing process. Looking forward to getting the Royal box, luckily it doesn't have to travel so far
Those Royal discs look nice.. Looking forward to try them out sometime!
So glad to see this video as I was just wondering about this. Also the unexpected teaser at the end...😯
Glad you liked it :)
SO hyped for my box! sold out in under a day you guys are the best!
I was searching for this yearsssss ago! Finally
I´m glad you found it :) /Jonathan
I just received my first Latitude 64 discs, a Diamond and Fuse. Both in Opto plastic. Oh my, this plastic feels so tasty!! Can’t wait to try them out!!
Let me know what you think :) /jonathan
That was really cool, thanks for showing us some of the manufacturing process!
You´re welcome. Im glad you liked it :) /Jonathan
Great video. Just watched Emerson Kieth at Belton, Texas tournament. He represented Lat 64 very well. Wish I knew what discs he was throwing.
Keep up the good work.
We have a "in the bag" video från 2019 if you´re interested :)
ruclips.net/video/cfHx3uEpk04/видео.html
Awesome job! Would be great to see a video on disc design. Obviously don't show the company's IP but just some simulations on how the process works.
Yes I will be making a video about that for sure 😀. Don´t know when but it´s on the to-do-list. /Jonathan
Now i'm curios to see how Innova makes their discs... This looks impressive!
Best tutorials and best discs. Thanks you!
Wow....I envisioned an artist sculpturing each disc from a much larger single block of plastic......each one pain stakengly crafted to achieve the desired aerodynamic winged saucer.....
. thanks for the heads up...
This is awesome! Discs need to be on How it's Made! I'd like to visit a factory
That was a great teaser/trailer for the real episode.
Will do a longer version in the future. And maybe break it down do individual parts. /Jonathan
Very cool video. Id love to tour the facility one day.
Thank you :) /Jonathan
Excellent video thank you! Great technology that should make your discs very consistent.
Thanks for sharing some "industrial secrets".
That was friggin' AWESOME!
Cheers :) /Jonathan
Awesome! And what a tease at the end...
great production. Glad L64 brought you on.
Thank you, Jeremiah :) /Jonathan
When i die, i need my coffin to be made of opto plastic
I'd aim for minimal Turn, if I were you...
I'd insist on Gold Line, because Burst....
Gold line burst
I've got to say, after only recently finding your channel the work you're doing here makes me want to get some Latitude 64 discs after sticking with 2 other main brands for the most part. Showing some character and tips etc is a nice touch for building a relationship with us (the customers). Keep up the great work. I'm loving these videos and the lesson videos.
By the way, if you ever need a designer for some stamps, I'm in haha.
Hey :). That's very nice of you, thank you! /Jonathan
Haha might pick you up in that one day! :)
Thank you! Great video! Love the sport!
Royal box - ordered
New Latitude video - watched
Hotel? - Trivago
Hahaha. Got me there! 😅😅
Great! I would love to see how the mold tool is designed and made.
They could show you but then you'd never be able to leave the machine shop... if you know what I mean.... ;^]
😂
like that you guys kept the vid short and sweet, no fluff
Thank you. Always enjoy feedback on the editing :) /Jonathan
@Johnathan, your videos are great! I'm glad to subscribe and watch your content. This weekend, I even purchased a few Latitude 64 discs to add to my bag, Pioneer, Explorer, River!
Thank you very much. This made me happy :). Really? Let me know what you think. /Jonathan
@@Latitude64 I used the Emerson Keith Pioneer, Grip Line Explorer, and Opto River during the Shongum Showdown 2 tournament, Gardiner, NY, this weekend and came in second place, MA3!
They are all a perfect addition to my bag. I’ll need to practice more with the River to take advantage of the tremendous glide. As for the the Explorer, it’s more stable than I am used to but I really like the pin-straight flight. The Pioneer fit in my bag perfectly!
@@ikigaiWellnessLLC Congratulations! Thats great
Very cool, thanks for making this video
Fantastic video.
Tell that machine to pump out more Opto Bolts and Opto X Saint Pros.
They seem to be impossible to come by these days. I lost several of each this past year.
Any. Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work.
I let the machine know :) Glad you liked the video.
Super cool to see, thanks!
Thanks, always nice to see inside the process, and to get a glimpse at those upcoming photos. Looks like some low temp (here) testing in the future. Cheers!
I work in rotational molding, have delt with our process for 16 years now. It is all manual work for us. I would love to get into this process it is interesting.
wow awesome video. i don't throw a lot of latitude 64, but I always keep an Explorer with me
Thank you :) /Jonathan
After watching this vid and seeing the stamping process, my question is how do double stamps happen so often? Seems like they should be almost nonexistent, unless they are done deliberately as a way to flag a disc as a factory 2nd.
Epic video, great to see how this is done!!!!
Super cool!!
Great video!
Thanks for this video. I've always wondered how this was done. 👍
Glad you liked it, Joseph :) /Jonathan
Literally week ago I was searching this kind of video but didnt found, so thank you for this!:)
Thanks Jonathon. Your videos have been pretty sweet. Keep it up, and keep them coming.
Cheers, Matt!
So cool! Also can’t wait to finally learn about the royal discs 😁
Sweet video. The Making of the Mold next please?
Thank you. Maaaaaybe. I´ll put it on the list 😀
Excellent content.
Thank you :) /Jonathan
Lol this is just what i was thinking about in school 8 hours ago and now the video comes for it
You´re welcome for the idea :)
And a REALLY GREAT video, thanks for that!
Cheers, Tommy!
Awesome!!! So excited for my Royal Box
So to get a custom stamp you would "only" have to have get a hotstamp? (In theory) that's neat!
Thanks for the look inside!
One thing I'm wondering about is why the molds are placed in a vertical and not in a horizontal position. Wouldn't that result in a more even disc?
I have no idea to be honest. A person smarter than me might step in here to answer.
My guess is that it would be harder to manufacture as the distance from the injection cylinder to the actual mold is like 2 meters / 6.5 feet. So to have it vertical wouldnt be practical in the long run. But that´s just my guess. /Jonathan
Horizontal injection molding machines are the standard (otherwise my 1,500T machine would be about 50 feet tall. Even my little baby 65T presses would be about 15' tall!). Balance on the part is achieved by pack pressure, not gravity. Gravity is extremely negligible a force when compared to the 16,000+ psi we put against the molten plastic in the mold.
Typically, Vertical presses are 300T clamp pressure and under, and are used for insert molding (brass threaded inserts molded into plastic parts, electrical terminals, etc).
I did enjoy 💕 thank you
I´m glad, James :) /Jonathan
Hey love the game yet had an idea can you make a disc that can project a hologram so I can find my disc in the snow and at night play . Thanks
That was fascinating!
Very interesting! Hope one day the stamps could be personalised :)
They can. Not at the moment tho as the custom shop is not active due to so much to do in the "regular" production :) /Jonathan
I would like to know how the different types of flight are put into the design? Some disc's really curve a lot. Is it the type of edge that causes the curve?
Hey Blake. That´s part of it yes as I understand. We will make a video about this at some point. But there´s a lot of variables. /Jonathan
Loved it! Thanks
I buy a lot of my discs online so I don't get to handle them until they arrive; can you guys make a video on the different types of plastics? 🙂
Very cool! Always wondered how that was done.
Very intriguing
Hur mycket får discen diffa på när man mäter vikten på den? Finns det även en max/minimum vikt som måste hållas för att den ska bli godkänd för tävling. Sist men inte minst riktigt bra informativ video, keep it up
Frågade min kollega Johannes om detta.
Discen får inte väga mer än 8.3 gram per centimeter av diametern. Så för en disc med 21 centimeters diameter så blir maxvikten 174,3. Vad jag vet finns det ingen gräns för hur lite en disc får väga. Men diametern får inte vara mindre än 21 centimeter i alla fall.
Absolutely love this! Thanks for the detailed video! Our crew would love to get our hands on a Royal mystery box if you are looking for some testers on video!
100 bones and it can be at your door by next Thursday
@@buzzlightyear3849 yyyeaahhh apparently they sold out
Thank you for making this video!!!
You´re welcome. glad you enjoyed it :) /Jonathan
I volunteer for field testing.
Dream job!
Very cool!
WE STAN LINDA
I did enjoy it. Thanks:) Cheers, D.
Glad you liked it! /Jonathan
Your hope is fully realized. Thank you.
Awesome vid thanks!
Thanks for video!!
Cool video, Mr. Ink.
Cheers, Phil!
Speaking of molds.. The only thing I really miss from Lat64 is a medium flippy Midrange, like
5 4 -2 0, or something.
IMO the Fuse does the job
@@henrikfelter1143 I love my warrant 😊
Super cool! Thank you.
Thank you, Austin :)
How much variance is there in the weight of discs produced by a mold? If they are aiming at making max weight discs then how light of weight can they get naturally, do they make another mold for lighter weight discs or do they have other techniques for getting the weight down but using the same mold, I wonder.
Here the reply I got from the manufacturing side. Every mold has a weight span for it to be good. So a max and a minumun weight. This doesnt mean that 150g i possible for every mold as some of them can´t be made in 150g and still have a high quality. I know that "Zombie" which is a lighter disc that resembles Pure had to have a different mold when the plastic was different. So it also depends on which plastic can be used to which mold.
Hopfully that answered your question :) /Jonathan
As a molder, my shot size tolerances are held to +/-0.25% from standard over the entire life of production. If a disc is supposed to be 150g, it's practical range is 149.625g to 150.375g. Anything outside of that and my robot would take it straight from the mold to the reject bin.
So cool!!!
I enjoyed it
That´s great, John
lot of companies very secretive nice to get to see how the sausage is made
Engineer here! I understand that most injection moulding machines sold are machines that are set to inject the mould in a horizontal axis. Does gravity cause any displacement of plastic in the rim in the vertical direction while the disc is cooling off, making the disc ever so slightly asymmetric? Would the displacement more symmetrical if the moulding were to be done in a vertical direction?
Anywho, great video because i was literally thinking about this last week!
I have no idea I´m afraid. But I don´t think so as the pressure would compensate for is!?
Glad you liked the video :) /Jonathan
Injection molder here - same question was asked above so don't feel alone! Gravity has zero measurable effect on injection molding, as our process pressures are roughly 1,000x (or more) that of gravity's influence.
@@Michaelkv9if Cool, thanks for the input! But what explains the variance in the convexity of the rim profile? There is supposedly a noticable variance in the rim profile convexity even within the same run of discs (looking at you Star Destroyer!). Do you have an idea what might cause this?
@@thebeckerm most likely thermal deltas inside the mold that cause the disc to have hot spots. The different temperatures on the surface of the disc cause shrink differential (warp) after the disc is removed from the mold. Material thickness also plays a part, as the material won't be perfect from point to point. Today's machining processes limit this very well, and it is far less a contributor than temperature variation, but is still a variable.
Conformal cooling would solve for 90%+ of the defect you're describing, however is not cheap. For a core and cavity block the size of the disc's you use, it would add roughly $30-50k per mold.
Cool video!
Thank you :) /Jonathan
Okay Jonathan you wanna tell us how that Faith flies then? Gonna need some details on the new mold.
I don´t know Zac. I haven´t tried it. But I will. And then maybe give my super beginner opinion/review, haha 😂
@@Latitude64 Dammnnnn! By not bullshitting this fellow with a simple yet utterly and completely honest answer, you sir have single handedly won a Discgolf disc consumer over towards your brand. It's communication justice and also quite refreshing to just hear the pure while not suspecting a fleck of B.S. THANK YOU!! Innova, Discraft, Overmolders need to seriously take note!!!
Love all the content!!!!
Cheers, Garrett. Glad you like it! /Jonathan
super cool!