Its different because we’re not depending on others to care about us, we’re just expecting not to be hated for who we are. A black woman can not play a fictional white character, even if the director chooses so, without being discriminated against, vilified, slammed with death threats, etc. We’ve seen this with Ariel, Annabeth, and now Astrid. We can barely have fictional black characters if they have ties to white characters (For example Amber from invincible, or Barbara from Absolute Batman), without lots of outrage from extremely vocal racists. All we’re asking for is creative liberty, but racists are fighting tooth and nail to keep everything white.
@ I guess I’m just expressing frustration at having to care what these people think. If we own the means of production and distribution for creating our own art and most importantly consume art that we create, then the opinion of outsiders doesn’t matter as much. If they have a valid critique we can choose to pay attention, but all this other bullshit might as well be farts in the wind
@@mayonnaise9993 What's creative about race swapping existing characters though? I seriously don't get it. I'm not in film school or anything like that, but i'm decently knowledgeable about history in my opinion and yet i still don't get why Hollywood wants to raceswap existing fictional characters (other than marketing). Especially if it seems so forced and they're solely chosen because they're non-white. I do not see the benefit in that at all. Give me the insight i need to understand this, because from where i'm sitting it's just seems silly. Obviously i don't agree with vilifying, sending threats etc. That's unacceptable regardless.
@leefswgoh7558 sure, so historically film and tv has primed audiences which is majority white on seeing themselves in pictures as the standard. And as we've advance with civil rights and making these industries more accessible to more groups of ppl. And as we see now, White people are upset that this status quo is being taken up as more POC and women take the lead roles the White ppl are now feeling the same thing PoC felt as they can no longer see themselves in these roles. Despite more than 90% of films still being White cast and leads. It's the fear of not being the standard, fear of being replaced. Which is why we get such a harsh reaction anytime we see a PoC lead like in assassin's creed, little mermaid, etc, it's a sign to them of being "dethroned". Now, WHY race swapping? The simple answer is White ppl have not, and likely win not support a new black mainline IP. Black panther is the exception to this rule as it also had the massive advantage of being a mainline marvel movie. So the only way to get PoC representation is currently through race swapping characters that's race, sex, etc is central to that character. It's a way to give representation and prime audiences to become familiar with PoC characters in good strong roles. Like little mermaid, she did a FANASTIC job, her singing was ON POINT. So they called it woke, but when they sat down and got a good performance, they were walking away with a good experience. So overtime, they won't have that knee-jerk reaction with the ultimate goal of doing black led IPs that can stand on their own cause audiences know they can get a good experience ESPECIALLY as these stars are highlighted and become recognized and beloved I used to HATE race swapping it was lazy and then as I got more educated on this practice, I was like OOOOOOH I get it.
@@DSOProd Thanks for the reply. First paragraph i agree with completely and that's a good thing. The 2nd paragraph however i have my questions about. What makes you say white people are afraid of not being the standard anymore? Im white and i'm not afraid of that at all, but i do think raceswapping is silly. I obviously don't speak for other people who may not like race swapping, so some might be afraid of whites not being the standard anymore. I'm however curious about your reasoning behind it. To me it just doesn't seem like a commonly held view by the white audience in general. I'm also curious about whites not supporting new black mainline IPs. You say this like it's some universal truth, but is that actually the case? Black lead series and movies have been a thing since at least the 90s and they certainly weren't solely supported by other people of colour. So what are we talking about here? Or perhaps a better question, what am i missing here? I also highly doubt these raceswaps are paving the way for other black lead IPs. i don't really see why anyone opposed to more black lead IPs will become less opposed simply because they got used to it via raceswaps. That just doesn't make any logical sense to me. And everyone else wasn't opposed to more black leads in the first place. i never hated raceswaps, but i'm still not convinced it's a good thing. "blackwashing"' existing IPs doesn't seem like an ideal solution for a problem that is well underway in correcting itself (organically). Again, maybe 'm missing something or operating on incorrect underlying assumptions.
we all have a duty to do the work to understand bigotry, and have the humility to see it in ourselves
@theowhite absolutely, and it's crazy how many ppl miss it. And even worse ppl can't see themes within the media they consume anymore.
You simply cannot depend on others to care about you, gotta have your own infrastructure to produce art that speaks to you
Its different because we’re not depending on others to care about us, we’re just expecting not to be hated for who we are.
A black woman can not play a fictional white character, even if the director chooses so, without being discriminated against, vilified, slammed with death threats, etc. We’ve seen this with Ariel, Annabeth, and now Astrid.
We can barely have fictional black characters if they have ties to white characters (For example Amber from invincible, or Barbara from Absolute Batman), without lots of outrage from extremely vocal racists.
All we’re asking for is creative liberty, but racists are fighting tooth and nail to keep everything white.
@ I guess I’m just expressing frustration at having to care what these people think. If we own the means of production and distribution for creating our own art and most importantly consume art that we create, then the opinion of outsiders doesn’t matter as much. If they have a valid critique we can choose to pay attention, but all this other bullshit might as well be farts in the wind
@@mayonnaise9993 What's creative about race swapping existing characters though? I seriously don't get it. I'm not in film school or anything like that, but i'm decently knowledgeable about history in my opinion and yet i still don't get why Hollywood wants to raceswap existing fictional characters (other than marketing). Especially if it seems so forced and they're solely chosen because they're non-white. I do not see the benefit in that at all.
Give me the insight i need to understand this, because from where i'm sitting it's just seems silly.
Obviously i don't agree with vilifying, sending threats etc. That's unacceptable regardless.
@leefswgoh7558 sure, so historically film and tv has primed audiences which is majority white on seeing themselves in pictures as the standard. And as we've advance with civil rights and making these industries more accessible to more groups of ppl.
And as we see now, White people are upset that this status quo is being taken up as more POC and women take the lead roles the White ppl are now feeling the same thing PoC felt as they can no longer see themselves in these roles. Despite more than 90% of films still being White cast and leads. It's the fear of not being the standard, fear of being replaced. Which is why we get such a harsh reaction anytime we see a PoC lead like in assassin's creed, little mermaid, etc, it's a sign to them of being "dethroned".
Now, WHY race swapping? The simple answer is White ppl have not, and likely win not support a new black mainline IP. Black panther is the exception to this rule as it also had the massive advantage of being a mainline marvel movie.
So the only way to get PoC representation is currently through race swapping characters that's race, sex, etc is central to that character.
It's a way to give representation and prime audiences to become familiar with PoC characters in good strong roles. Like little mermaid, she did a FANASTIC job, her singing was ON POINT. So they called it woke, but when they sat down and got a good performance, they were walking away with a good experience. So overtime, they won't have that knee-jerk reaction with the ultimate goal of doing black led IPs that can stand on their own cause audiences know they can get a good experience ESPECIALLY as these stars are highlighted and become recognized and beloved
I used to HATE race swapping it was lazy and then as I got more educated on this practice, I was like OOOOOOH I get it.
@@DSOProd Thanks for the reply.
First paragraph i agree with completely and that's a good thing.
The 2nd paragraph however i have my questions about. What makes you say white people are afraid of not being the standard anymore?
Im white and i'm not afraid of that at all, but i do think raceswapping is silly. I obviously don't speak for other people who may not like race swapping, so some might be afraid of whites not being the standard anymore. I'm however curious about your reasoning behind it.
To me it just doesn't seem like a commonly held view by the white audience in general.
I'm also curious about whites not supporting new black mainline IPs. You say this like it's some universal truth, but is that actually the case? Black lead series and movies have been a thing since at least the 90s and they certainly weren't solely supported by other people of colour. So what are we talking about here? Or perhaps a better question, what am i missing here?
I also highly doubt these raceswaps are paving the way for other black lead IPs. i don't really see why anyone opposed to more black lead IPs will become less opposed simply because they got used to it via raceswaps. That just doesn't make any logical sense to me. And everyone else wasn't opposed to more black leads in the first place.
i never hated raceswaps, but i'm still not convinced it's a good thing. "blackwashing"' existing IPs doesn't seem like an ideal solution for a problem that is well underway in correcting itself (organically).
Again, maybe 'm missing something or operating on incorrect underlying assumptions.