I am always astonished by the sheer quality of arms that came out of the ex-Yugoslavia. In my experience Westerners tend to think of European manufacturer as solely H&K, Sig Sauer and perhaps FN--these days with the addition of Accuracy International in certain specialised low-volume markets. However there were firearms being developed behind the Iron Curtain--and in Yugoslavia's case in the non-aligned world--that were of amazingly high quality and just as technologically innovative. I heard this tradition of super-high quality gun design and production was a legacy from the old Austria-Hungary but I don't know if that is true. EDIT: Since making this post it has been pointed out to me that Yugoslavia was not part of the Warsaw Pact. This is a fascinating fact I genuinely did not know and am always happy to learn anything new.
Not quite, they were indeed astonishing engineers, most of those were reversed engineered and improved, the Chinese reverse engineering skills used to be more recognized, but the Chinese usually make better versions of what they got, the Yugos used to improve, like the AK, they made a bolt hold open, the MG-42, they reversed engineered and optimized to use their proprietary 7.92, and the list goes on and on.
The reason why double feed magazines are rare in pistols is that it requires a lot of extra room at the top. This is also why he dropped the dual recoil springs of the P-38. I found no way to get around this problem in my own design so I went for Beretta mags.
I love the chad move of making a high quality weapon, getting declined, still knowing it's a high quality weapon and just leaving it on a shelf until the time is right. And then just upgrading it to fit their needs further.
I love watching your videos I am a collector of weird and military surplus rifles and it's always cool too see that you made a video of the firearms that I have collected and I learn alot about their historical significance but not only that but their own development keep up the good work and looking forward to learning more in the coming years.
This gun looks like it wanted to be a Walther P38, a Beretta, and a Stechkin APS all at the same time. A pretty interesting design by Iron Curtain standards. One small note - the "ć" at the end of "Vuković" is pronounced "ch" as in "cheddar cheese". Indeed, that name is sometimes anglicized as "Vuckovich".
@@mrstaggerlee1979 Winston Churchill described Yugoslavia as being behind the Iron Curtain in 1946. Even though Yugoslavia did move away from the Soviet sphere of influence in the late 1940s, much of the weaponry it produced during the Cold War was derived from Soviet weapon designs. I was only trying to say that this gun looked interestingly unusual compared to the weapons that tended to circulate around Eastern Europe at the time like the Makarov and Tokarev pistols.
When in Karlovac, HR, besides touring H.S. Produkt, it is also the home of Karlovačko lager beer (now o0wned by Heineken International), one of the three most popular beers (along with Ožjusko and Pan) in Hrvatska.
Thank you for yet another interesting video, my friend. I have a PHP (long barreled version) and have, to this point, found it to be surprisingly accurate and smooth in its operation. Sadly, the plastic grips are notorious for breaking. However, mine is a beautiful example of this particular model, along with the military flap style holster and the two accompanying magazines. My wife even enjoys firing this bulky pistol. Upon taking my PHP to the range, the looks I got were interesting, to say the least. No one knew of the existence of the Croatian PHP and they were rather intrigued by it. Again, thank you for this particular video. I always enjoy broadening my knowledge of firearms, especially those which I have been fortunate enough to secure. Not so long ago and like so many of the Western European surplus firearms, the PHP’s could be purchased for a meager price. As the PHP’s have reached somewhat of a collector’s status, both the short and long barreled versions are running nearly 4 times the cost of their introductory price. Thank you again for your videos. We find them to be extremely enjoyable and informative. May you and your family enjoy a blessed New Year and Godspeed in your travels, my friend! 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
I'm surprised the recoil spring *has* to come out before the slide is fully removed. While I am admittedly only watching this on my phone, I didn't notice anything specific that would preclude sliding the slide all the way off before picking the spring out from around the guide rod afterwards.
I would think that relying on the hammer following the slide would lead to light primer strikes and less reliability on full-auto. Is the hammer spring stiff enough to overcome that? Am I missing something about the geometry or timing of the hammer hitting the firing pin here vs rifle platforms like the AK where hammer follows are a negative?
Yeah, relying on hammer follow for full auto tends to reduce reliability, as you're robbing the hammer spring of some "striking" energy for the firing pin because it's being used to push the slide or bolt group shut. Can be a problem if you're firing ammo with noticeably insensitive primers (like military ammo, especially ComBloc and former ComBloc, and can be made even less sensitive by extreme cold). Add in fouling or thickened grease where it shouldn't be slowing the hammer down, and you can have minor issues (that are individually not going to cause a failure to fire) that stack together and you can start to get failures to ignite.
I thought that it seemed like the hammer was very briefly held back for a tiny fraction of slide travel fully into battery, before firing just as it locked into battery. Prepared to wrong about that, as I'm clearly unable to verify this guess.
Pistol cartridges are far lower pressures than AK boolets, which is why pistol calibers can be used in open bolt machine guns that rely on spring pressures and bolt mass rather than physical bolt lockup in the chamber. Just have to design things so the firing pin can't hit the primer until the bullet is shoved all the way into the chamber. As long as the springs are stout enough (which is factored into the design), no worries about light strikes either.
I remember about 8 or 9 years ago I would see surplus M17's(semi auto variant) floating around for like $300 or $350, now it seems like nobody even knows they exist. Seeing this video reminded me of them. Very interesting history.
@@georgeebling7886 some primers are easier to ignite than the average, and some are harder to ignite. They are commonly referred to as "soft" and "hard" primers respectively. Good quality domestically (US) produced stuff tends to have softer primers, while import ammo from overseas tends to have harder primers. Hard primers can induce light strikes, most often in weapons with modified triggers which use lighter than standard springs to help with pull weight or elements of the trigger's tactile feel. Since we're talking about the springs that ultimately cause the firing pin to impact the primer, it would generally be hammer springs or firing pin springs. Although for a direct blowback open bolt subgun, we'd be talking recoil springs. With the handgun on display in the video, it helps to observe that there are separate hammer and recoil springs in the pistol, and the slide (being pushed by the recoil springs) stops moving some distance before the barrel is in place and the round is fully seated. So far from risking hammer follows, the mechanics of the gun seem to ensure that the only time the slide interferes with the hammer strike is if the gun gets a FTF or OOB malfunction.
@@LuLe232 Yeah. I understand that languages are hard and that people can't be expected to know the pronunciation of every language, but the "ić/ič" in Slavic languages is quite widespread and well known. Still, Ian is a very busy guy who does amazing work, so I can't blame him. :)
I would love to see this pistol in action, in particular, the fully automatic performance. Seeing a comparison between this, the Glock 18 and the CZ-75 full auto variant. TFB TV did a test with the Glock and CZ a couple of weeks ago, it was interesting to see how people handled them...
I saw a very interesting rifle at the Polish Army Museum in Warsaw. No info to read on it. Reminded me of a mix of an SKS, Mannlicher, and VZ52/57 but with a rear receiver of a Sten. I would love to see a video of that rifle to know more. Wish I could post a pic in the comments
I bought one of the PHP’s for just over $200 from Sarco back in the day NIB, third mag the firing pin broke and it’s been sitting in my safe ever since.
The pistol seems as a quite solid all steel affair. It was not quite a slender design as maybe the Hi Power. Did you fire this behemoth GJ in single or full auto ? Had it been adopted in Yugoslavia would the user be compelled to acquire the WW2 era IR night sight or weapon light?Were there any provisions for mounting electro optical devices on this future service pistol in 1987? How heavy was that pistol? It should have been .45ACP. What was the rate of fire? It was almost the size of the Desert Eagle. Still praises to the constructor. A very interesting video GJ.Have a good one.
Ah, that weird Beretta/Desert Eagle amalgamation. I remember that i spended many hours on the internet trying to figure out what that gun was based on.
It's only sketchy if you do it with a rifle cartridge, since high pressure rifle rounds need the bolt to lockup with the chamber to prevent OOBs. With pistol calibers, you just need to engineer the action so the firing pin doesn't hit the primer until the slide is closed. The combined force of the recoil springs and the mass of the slide prevent combustion gasses from escaping the chamber until the bullet leaves the barrel, at which point the pressure drops below dangerous levels. With hammer fired guns, it's mostly just an issue of picking a hammer spring with enough tension to prevent light primer strikes. And that's not a huge deal.
The full auto feature might be functional only a small percentage of the time. When the hammer follows the slide/bolt/BCG typically full auto is rarely achieved. Don't think so? Remove the disconnector from any AR15, you will now have a repeater that wastes a round every time the charge handle is pulled back.
Explain open bolt submachine guns then. Pistol calibers don't need lockup, and it's simple to pick springs that cause the firing pin to hit primers with sufficient force to set off cartridges. Rifles have chamber pressures that necessitate additional complexity to enable automatic fire. With pistol cartridges, toob guns go brrrrrrrrt.
It must be a challenge to shoot a 9mm pistol full-auto. I can't see it being useful outside of 10 meters/yards. ...If it was .380 ACP, then it might be more useful as a bullet hose, but ehhhh if you want to hit anything, I think semi-auto is where it's at for 9mm handguns.
Well, seeing as 10 yards is a very typical engagement range for a pistol, I don't think there's much of an issue. Machine pistols are never intended for medium to long range accuracy, it's all about laying down as much hate as possible once the enemy is within close range. Think urban environments, building clearing sort of activities.
In English, that spelling would be pronouced exactly as Ian said it, "Vukovik". If you'd like an English speaker to pronounce it correctly, tell them it's "Vukovich" and they will say it right 100% of the time.
I don't think pistol calibers require an auto sear because there's no requirement for lockup due to lower chamber pressures. Looking at the Glock 18's automatic mode, it seems like it simply disables the semi auto trigger disconnector and allows the firing to fall after reset by recoil. Since pistol calibers are lower pressure than rifle calibers, bolt mass and spring tension are enough to hold the combustion gasses in the chamber until the bullet leaves the barrel. No need for lockup. And since there's no need for lockup, there's no need for an auto SEAR to delay hammer release until lockup is achieved. Think of open bolt submachine guns. It's just the spring pressure pushing the bolt back and smacking the firing pin on each primer, and the trigger simply gets in the way of the bolt. This is basically the same concept but with a disconnector to allow semi auto fire.
@@theKashConnoisseur The point here is that the firing pin in this pistol in not fixed as opposed to a typical open-bolt SMG. It is just the hammer that makes the firing pin protrude from the bolt face and hit the primer. A full-auto AK without auto sear will not fire, ruclips.net/video/jM3OAj_aUho/видео.html
@@user-oh2kt8lf6g The hammer springs aren't pushing the slide or barrel into lockup, unlike what an AK hammer is doing when hitting the un-closed bolt if you disable the disconnector but have no auto sear. The mistake is comparing things to rifles. Due to the higher pressures, they require more complexity. With pistol calibers, since they can safely operate using inertia and spring pressures alone, it's as simple as just getting the trigger out of the way. The complexity ends up being "how do we make this semi auto" rather than the other way around. In an AK, the auto sear is physically ensuring the bolt is locked up with the chamber. It needs this lockup to make sure the pressure of the round going off doesn't harm the user. But since pistol calibers are MUCH lower pressure, they don't require lockup, and thus don't require an auto sear that is checking for lockup.
@@theKashConnoisseur Just one more thing. In PKM, which is essentially an AK upside-down with fixed firing pin, there is no auto sear since there is no hammer. However, the locking principle is the same as in AK. That is why I have to disagree on the lock-up ensuring function of the auto sear in AK. What I think the auto sear does is providing a hammer strike strong enough to cause the primer detonation.
@@user-oh2kt8lf6g The PKM is open bolt, which as we've discussed doesn't require an auto sear. It does however take a pretty heavy bolt and a very stout spring. I guess that's part of the PKM's 20 lb carry weight, unloaded. There's detailed videos on AK actions. The auto sear in the AK is a mechanical check for bolt lockup, ensuring that there's no out of battery detonation. The hammer strike force is provided by the hammer springs, which are cocked by the reciprocating bolt. The auto sear simply stops the hammer from falling until the bolt locks up. In the US, semi auto AKs don't even contain an auto sear, ironically making them less safe since the auto sear is essentially an out of battery safety. You can look it up, no need to guess.
All it takes is using the right springs. The slide stops moving before the hammer strikes the primer, and the slide has it's own recoil springs pushing it while the hammer has independent springs powering it's motion. Don't think semi auto rifle, think open bolt submachine gun. The complexity isn't in automatic fire, it's in making it semi auto.
Q: So what country is this gun made in? A: aaaaah it no longer exists, but take it for a test drive and you'll see it impresses all with its glorious features. I lived next to a Yugos expat in the 80s. He was inventive too! All sorts of crazy shit you cant believe.
Unintentionally he wrote something prohibited in Italy V.M. 18 and practically translated as Forbidden to minors under 18 and actually a weapon is prohibited if you are under 18 funny, interesting video anywy, as always!
I am always astonished by the sheer quality of arms that came out of the ex-Yugoslavia. In my experience Westerners tend to think of European manufacturer as solely H&K, Sig Sauer and perhaps FN--these days with the addition of Accuracy International in certain specialised low-volume markets. However there were firearms being developed behind the Iron Curtain--and in Yugoslavia's case in the non-aligned world--that were of amazingly high quality and just as technologically innovative. I heard this tradition of super-high quality gun design and production was a legacy from the old Austria-Hungary but I don't know if that is true.
EDIT: Since making this post it has been pointed out to me that Yugoslavia was not part of the Warsaw Pact. This is a fascinating fact I genuinely did not know and am always happy to learn anything new.
Austria-Hungary made really good weapons, but prior to and during WW1 could not make an awful lot due to internal strife and economic problems.
Not quite, they were indeed astonishing engineers, most of those were reversed engineered and improved, the Chinese reverse engineering skills used to be more recognized, but the Chinese usually make better versions of what they got, the Yugos used to improve, like the AK, they made a bolt hold open, the MG-42, they reversed engineered and optimized to use their proprietary 7.92, and the list goes on and on.
I own a several CZ firearms. The Czech's make a good gun.
CZ and the other CZ (zastava) are good examples of quality Eastern European arms. Personally a big fan
@@ryanmassey586 I never leave home without my CZ75 P01. My SP01 is my bedside table gun.
The reason why double feed magazines are rare in pistols is that it requires a lot of extra room at the top. This is also why he dropped the dual recoil springs of the P-38. I found no way to get around this problem in my own design so I went for Beretta mags.
Impressive! Never would’ve miss the regular content of this channel
I love the chad move of making a high quality weapon, getting declined, still knowing it's a high quality weapon and just leaving it on a shelf until the time is right. And then just upgrading it to fit their needs further.
I love watching your videos I am a collector of weird and military surplus rifles and it's always cool too see that you made a video of the firearms that I have collected and I learn alot about their historical significance but not only that but their own development keep up the good work and looking forward to learning more in the coming years.
This gun looks like it wanted to be a Walther P38, a Beretta, and a Stechkin APS all at the same time. A pretty interesting design by Iron Curtain standards.
One small note - the "ć" at the end of "Vuković" is pronounced "ch" as in "cheddar cheese". Indeed, that name is sometimes anglicized as "Vuckovich".
corect
Yugoslavia was not behind the Iron Curtain.
@@mrstaggerlee1979 Winston Churchill described Yugoslavia as being behind the Iron Curtain in 1946. Even though Yugoslavia did move away from the Soviet sphere of influence in the late 1940s, much of the weaponry it produced during the Cold War was derived from Soviet weapon designs.
I was only trying to say that this gun looked interestingly unusual compared to the weapons that tended to circulate around Eastern Europe at the time like the Makarov and Tokarev pistols.
When in Karlovac, HR, besides touring H.S. Produkt, it is also the home of Karlovačko lager beer (now o0wned by Heineken International), one of the three most popular beers (along with Ožjusko and Pan) in Hrvatska.
Thank you for yet another interesting video, my friend.
I have a PHP (long barreled version) and have, to this point, found it to be surprisingly accurate and smooth in its operation. Sadly, the plastic grips are notorious for breaking. However, mine is a beautiful example of this particular model, along with the military flap style holster and the two accompanying magazines. My wife even enjoys firing this bulky pistol.
Upon taking my PHP to the range, the looks I got were interesting, to say the least. No one knew of the existence of the Croatian PHP and they were rather intrigued by it.
Again, thank you for this particular video. I always enjoy broadening my knowledge of firearms, especially those which I have been fortunate enough to secure. Not so long ago and like so many of the Western European surplus firearms, the PHP’s could be purchased for a meager price. As the PHP’s have reached somewhat of a collector’s status, both the short and long barreled versions are running nearly 4 times the cost of their introductory price.
Thank you again for your videos. We find them to be extremely enjoyable and informative. May you and your family enjoy a blessed New Year and Godspeed in your travels, my friend! 🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸
i remember when SARCO Inc jad these and was offereing the PHP and another in their ads for a long while. great you got a good one to enjoy.
@@jasons8757, thank you for the kind words, my friend.
Lucky You, long barrels are rear and mutch better quallity guns, not like stock one. Do not care about standard PHP, but like to have one of long one.
I'm surprised the recoil spring *has* to come out before the slide is fully removed. While I am admittedly only watching this on my phone, I didn't notice anything specific that would preclude sliding the slide all the way off before picking the spring out from around the guide rod afterwards.
I would think that relying on the hammer following the slide would lead to light primer strikes and less reliability on full-auto. Is the hammer spring stiff enough to overcome that? Am I missing something about the geometry or timing of the hammer hitting the firing pin here vs rifle platforms like the AK where hammer follows are a negative?
Yeah, relying on hammer follow for full auto tends to reduce reliability, as you're robbing the hammer spring of some "striking" energy for the firing pin because it's being used to push the slide or bolt group shut. Can be a problem if you're firing ammo with noticeably insensitive primers (like military ammo, especially ComBloc and former ComBloc, and can be made even less sensitive by extreme cold).
Add in fouling or thickened grease where it shouldn't be slowing the hammer down, and you can have minor issues (that are individually not going to cause a failure to fire) that stack together and you can start to get failures to ignite.
Can't it lead to out of battery det. As well?
I thought that it seemed like the hammer was very briefly held back for a tiny fraction of slide travel fully into battery, before firing just as it locked into battery.
Prepared to wrong about that, as I'm clearly unable to verify this guess.
Pistol cartridges are far lower pressures than AK boolets, which is why pistol calibers can be used in open bolt machine guns that rely on spring pressures and bolt mass rather than physical bolt lockup in the chamber. Just have to design things so the firing pin can't hit the primer until the bullet is shoved all the way into the chamber. As long as the springs are stout enough (which is factored into the design), no worries about light strikes either.
Sempre molto chiari ed esaustivi i video che presenti.
Un saluto.
And yet another thing I didn't know I needed. Thanks Ian.
Looks a lot like a Walther P38. Speaking of which, how about a video on the full auto P38 used in the TV series The Man From Uncle?
Well, I personally find this gun beautiful, don't really know how pratical would it be, but it looks nice and really well made for a prototype.
Velice zajímavý kousek. Děkuji ti za tvou práci. FW je jedinečný projekt! Ať se ti daří 👍
I just love pistols with a group therapy switch. Not really practical, but a fun idea nonetheless.
Good beer Karlovačko from Karolovac. Had plenty from my time in Sarajevo
I remember about 8 or 9 years ago I would see surplus M17's(semi auto variant) floating around for like $300 or $350, now it seems like nobody even knows they exist. Seeing this video reminded me of them. Very interesting history.
Is there a risk of light primer strikes from the hammer following the slide?
Not with quality ammo and the proper springs in place.
@@theKashConnoisseur How does ammunition quality influence how hard the firing pin strikes the primer? I'm skeptical...which springs?
@@georgeebling7886 some primers are easier to ignite than the average, and some are harder to ignite. They are commonly referred to as "soft" and "hard" primers respectively. Good quality domestically (US) produced stuff tends to have softer primers, while import ammo from overseas tends to have harder primers. Hard primers can induce light strikes, most often in weapons with modified triggers which use lighter than standard springs to help with pull weight or elements of the trigger's tactile feel.
Since we're talking about the springs that ultimately cause the firing pin to impact the primer, it would generally be hammer springs or firing pin springs. Although for a direct blowback open bolt subgun, we'd be talking recoil springs. With the handgun on display in the video, it helps to observe that there are separate hammer and recoil springs in the pistol, and the slide (being pushed by the recoil springs) stops moving some distance before the barrel is in place and the round is fully seated. So far from risking hammer follows, the mechanics of the gun seem to ensure that the only time the slide interferes with the hammer strike is if the gun gets a FTF or OOB malfunction.
Thank you , Ian .
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Range? That thing looks perfect for the "Giggle factor" contest...
Some nice Podbyrin 9.2 vibes there! 😁
Noticed that too.
3:25 : J is for Jedinačno (Pojedinačno) , on english mean single shot. R is for Rafalno =on english burst
Automatic fire feature, European recoil design, double stack double feed magazine, I need one.
It's an automatic Steyr GB without heating issues.
I think it should be "Marko Vuković", not "Vukovik".
Yeah, it seems every single american can say "John Malkovitch" just fine, but refuse to try with č, it's just tch, you know the sound.
@@LuLe232 Yeah. I understand that languages are hard and that people can't be expected to know the pronunciation of every language, but the "ić/ič" in Slavic languages is quite widespread and well known. Still, Ian is a very busy guy who does amazing work, so I can't blame him. :)
Dont bother US guy with that, they cant said right Doncic or even Jokic despite the fact that those names are basicaly every day in the US news
@@altergreenhorn That's what kinda bothers me, I understand your average joe has more pressing concerns, but the media should do a better job.
I think the full auto option was necessary for mag dumping into the sky on Christmas Eve, weddings, etc.
This would have sold so well in the Middle East
I like it, especially the safety that moved down to fire
His last name is actually Vuković, pronounced as Vukovich.
@@justme_gb over on forvo 5 serbian people pronounce it with emphasis on the U. Probably the same in croatian.
Needs an extended mag, underfoldng brace, and a plate of burek
Hmmm burek.....luv it
Thanks again Ian
"This is a PHP magazine-"
Ah, yes, but where are the CSS, HTML, and Javascript magazines?
"There are certainly much worse choices than a P38" that is a ringing endorsement if I ever heard one!
Our Father, who art in a sacred Croatian Armory, Ian be thy name; thy weapons come; thy will be done on earth as it is in this Armory.
This is really cool to think the p38 was in a way being iterated on untill the 1990s. A very good looking gun you gotta admit
I would love to see this pistol in action, in particular, the fully automatic performance. Seeing a comparison between this, the Glock 18 and the CZ-75 full auto variant. TFB TV did a test with the Glock and CZ a couple of weeks ago, it was interesting to see how people handled them...
Ian , this is my New favorite video . Thans you
That's gotta be one of the coolest looking pistols I've ever come across
The trigger mechanism is SO Walther! It is the same as the PP/PPK family and the P 38. No need to reinvent the wheel.
I saw a very interesting rifle at the Polish Army Museum in Warsaw. No info to read on it. Reminded me of a mix of an SKS, Mannlicher, and VZ52/57 but with a rear receiver of a Sten. I would love to see a video of that rifle to know more. Wish I could post a pic in the comments
I'm surprised this didn't have a pistol stock.
I bought one of the PHP’s for just over $200 from Sarco back in the day NIB, third mag the firing pin broke and it’s been sitting in my safe ever since.
No dry firing?
Well, now I can’t go to bed.
Manual of arms for this pistol should include the instructions: "Push J for Joy!".
Thanks
"The fun switch"." ~ Ian.
Can't wait for video about new RIA 5.0 pistol!
I'm still waiting on the VCR2
The fun switch on a pistol is awesome
Thanks for covering our guns!!!
Looks like the sort of obscure, cool piece that a James Bond villain would open fire with, to the delight of gun nuts everywhere 😈
Me: I want a P-38
Mom: We have P-38 at home
P-38 at home:
the cooler P-38
proceeds to buy an RC Lockheed P-38 Lightning fighter
So interesting. Such a cool design. Thanks Ian.
God bless all here.
Ian! Sir, please which seemingly simple gun/action / question has led you down the biggest "Rabbit hole"?
prototype videos are the best
The pistol seems as a quite solid all steel affair. It was not quite a slender design as maybe the Hi Power. Did you fire this behemoth GJ in single or full auto ? Had it been adopted in Yugoslavia would the user be compelled to acquire the WW2 era IR night sight or weapon light?Were there any provisions for mounting electro optical devices on this future service pistol in 1987? How heavy was that pistol? It should have been .45ACP. What was the rate of fire? It was almost the size of the Desert Eagle. Still praises to the constructor. A very interesting video GJ.Have a good one.
Great video, thank You. I am wonder if mr.Marko Vukovic be happy with title of this video because You renamed him in Vukovik?
Can't wait for the mvp 9 video 👍
This gun gives me some BLACK's reminiscence back in the PS2 era, due to the resemblance with the starting "DC3 Elite" pistol 🔥
Ah, that weird Beretta/Desert Eagle amalgamation. I remember that i spended many hours on the internet trying to figure out what that gun was based on.
Isn't hammer-follow kind of a sketchy way to achieve FA? Is there some delaying mechanism to prevent OOBs?
It's only sketchy if you do it with a rifle cartridge, since high pressure rifle rounds need the bolt to lockup with the chamber to prevent OOBs. With pistol calibers, you just need to engineer the action so the firing pin doesn't hit the primer until the slide is closed. The combined force of the recoil springs and the mass of the slide prevent combustion gasses from escaping the chamber until the bullet leaves the barrel, at which point the pressure drops below dangerous levels. With hammer fired guns, it's mostly just an issue of picking a hammer spring with enough tension to prevent light primer strikes. And that's not a huge deal.
I like how it says "MADE ON YUGOSLAVIA" in giant letters
when will the Dutch designs of the automatic version of the VZ52 be featured on the FW channel ? also compared to the Beretta 93R..
Can’t wait to learn about my PHP next
That is one gorgeous gun.
Henceforth the selector should only be called the 'fun switch.'
The idea of a 17 round P-38 gives me emotional arousal.
And I thought that last version of this pistol couldn't get any cooler
Looks like the 9.2mm Podbyrin from the movie 'Red Heat'.
Ian has been on the world gun tour!
The full auto feature might be functional only a small percentage of the time. When the hammer follows the slide/bolt/BCG typically full auto is rarely achieved. Don't think so? Remove the disconnector from any AR15, you will now have a repeater that wastes a round every time the charge handle is pulled back.
Explain open bolt submachine guns then. Pistol calibers don't need lockup, and it's simple to pick springs that cause the firing pin to hit primers with sufficient force to set off cartridges. Rifles have chamber pressures that necessitate additional complexity to enable automatic fire. With pistol cartridges, toob guns go brrrrrrrrt.
Very, very interesting.
Superficially resembles _SR-1 Vektor ("Gyurza")_ somewhat 🙃
I could see somone clearing a malfunction and accidentally activating the fun switch
With cool guns like this one I wish the owners would allow you to shoot them to really show them off.
Awesome video!
Was the locking block for this pistol the inspiration for the Beretta 92’s locking block?
No, Beretta 92 and PHP was inspired by Walther P38.
This is such a cool pistol
So this was the original "Glock with a switch" huh?
When the hammer follows the slide, isn't there a danger of light-strikes. I assume the slide moves faster than the hammer.
Thank you!!!
That design is brilliant for such a simple thing. What if we took the block and moved it over there???!
It must be a challenge to shoot a 9mm pistol full-auto. I can't see it being useful outside of 10 meters/yards. ...If it was .380 ACP, then it might be more useful as a bullet hose, but ehhhh if you want to hit anything, I think semi-auto is where it's at for 9mm handguns.
Well, seeing as 10 yards is a very typical engagement range for a pistol, I don't think there's much of an issue. Machine pistols are never intended for medium to long range accuracy, it's all about laying down as much hate as possible once the enemy is within close range. Think urban environments, building clearing sort of activities.
Ian have you heard about the bulpup pistol
WOW thats simple. i love it!
Great video, as usual, but I believe name is "Vukovic".
In English, that spelling would be pronouced exactly as Ian said it, "Vukovik". If you'd like an English speaker to pronounce it correctly, tell them it's "Vukovich" and they will say it right 100% of the time.
externally, i feel like i see so much random guns in one
Ian, do you know why I cannot find M1 carbine ammo, 7.65mm rifle ammo, and .303 British ammo from PPU out of Serbia for sale in the US marketplace?
Yeah... We're gonna need to see you run this one at a BUG match.
Maybe I missed it, but I'm disappointed Ian didn't mention the fire rate of the pistol in full auto.
very cool man!
Very cool
Marko Vuković. In English it would be pronounced similarly to "Marco Woocowitch" - "Woo" like in "wood", "co" like in "company", plus "witch".
8:23 Some kind of auto-sear must be missing from the mechanism; if the hammer just follows the slide the former will be prone to light strikes.
I don't think pistol calibers require an auto sear because there's no requirement for lockup due to lower chamber pressures. Looking at the Glock 18's automatic mode, it seems like it simply disables the semi auto trigger disconnector and allows the firing to fall after reset by recoil. Since pistol calibers are lower pressure than rifle calibers, bolt mass and spring tension are enough to hold the combustion gasses in the chamber until the bullet leaves the barrel. No need for lockup. And since there's no need for lockup, there's no need for an auto SEAR to delay hammer release until lockup is achieved. Think of open bolt submachine guns. It's just the spring pressure pushing the bolt back and smacking the firing pin on each primer, and the trigger simply gets in the way of the bolt. This is basically the same concept but with a disconnector to allow semi auto fire.
@@theKashConnoisseur The point here is that the firing pin in this pistol in not fixed as opposed to a typical open-bolt SMG. It is just the hammer that makes the firing pin protrude from the bolt face and hit the primer. A full-auto AK without auto sear will not fire, ruclips.net/video/jM3OAj_aUho/видео.html
@@user-oh2kt8lf6g The hammer springs aren't pushing the slide or barrel into lockup, unlike what an AK hammer is doing when hitting the un-closed bolt if you disable the disconnector but have no auto sear.
The mistake is comparing things to rifles. Due to the higher pressures, they require more complexity. With pistol calibers, since they can safely operate using inertia and spring pressures alone, it's as simple as just getting the trigger out of the way. The complexity ends up being "how do we make this semi auto" rather than the other way around.
In an AK, the auto sear is physically ensuring the bolt is locked up with the chamber. It needs this lockup to make sure the pressure of the round going off doesn't harm the user. But since pistol calibers are MUCH lower pressure, they don't require lockup, and thus don't require an auto sear that is checking for lockup.
@@theKashConnoisseur Just one more thing. In PKM, which is essentially an AK upside-down with fixed firing pin, there is no auto sear since there is no hammer. However, the locking principle is the same as in AK. That is why I have to disagree on the lock-up ensuring function of the auto sear in AK. What I think the auto sear does is providing a hammer strike strong enough to cause the primer detonation.
@@user-oh2kt8lf6g The PKM is open bolt, which as we've discussed doesn't require an auto sear. It does however take a pretty heavy bolt and a very stout spring. I guess that's part of the PKM's 20 lb carry weight, unloaded.
There's detailed videos on AK actions. The auto sear in the AK is a mechanical check for bolt lockup, ensuring that there's no out of battery detonation. The hammer strike force is provided by the hammer springs, which are cocked by the reciprocating bolt. The auto sear simply stops the hammer from falling until the bolt locks up. In the US, semi auto AKs don't even contain an auto sear, ironically making them less safe since the auto sear is essentially an out of battery safety. You can look it up, no need to guess.
how would this pistol avoid hammer-follow when firing in full auto? Just hope the slide's velocity is high enough that it "just works"?
All it takes is using the right springs. The slide stops moving before the hammer strikes the primer, and the slide has it's own recoil springs pushing it while the hammer has independent springs powering it's motion. Don't think semi auto rifle, think open bolt submachine gun. The complexity isn't in automatic fire, it's in making it semi auto.
Damn that weld on the magazine is sloppy!
Q: So what country is this gun made in?
A: aaaaah it no longer exists, but take it for a test drive and you'll see it impresses all with its glorious features.
I lived next to a Yugos expat in the 80s. He was inventive too! All sorts of crazy shit you cant believe.
Dang, never knew about this one. Greetings from Serbia!
Unintentionally he wrote something prohibited in Italy V.M. 18 and practically translated as Forbidden to minors under 18 and actually a weapon is prohibited if you are under 18 funny, interesting video anywy, as always!
So this is what the new Megatron toy will transform into?
I would love to buy one of these but I don't think they'll ever come to the US
Are you still in Croatia?