I might have some tips: - ping between the middle and rear end of the enemy, that way if they turn out or in, the homing will compensate for them turning or slowing down - shoot torpedoes at the predicted position as if you were firing dumbfire torps. then only ping when the torpedoes are half underway, that way the enemy has too little time to course correct - shoot torpedoes with a 2 second interval, that way they can't dodge the entire wave, even if they have hydro on - shoot torpedoes only at enemies that are coming towards you or show their broadside, there is no point in trying to hit enemies that run away - you can shotgun from maximum depth by pinging and then firing torpedoes, meaning you can kill enemies that hydro search for you - never try to ping enemies from close range using hydrophone, too many things can go wrong, you give away your location at close range, the enemy can still DCP it and at close range, the torpedoes do not have time to course correct - depth charges drop to 30m so you take less splash damage on 60m or on the surface - drive at 90 degrees to the enemy when pinging, that way you are least likely to be accurately ASW bombed
Those tips help a lot! But can u tell me the best sub for a beginner (to learn how to play subs correctly and kinda easy to play)I am just starting the game and planning to be a submarine main
A good follow up would be a guide on how to play against submarines (for each other artillery boat class/with each type of ASW/with and without utility consumables) as this is a very common topic of... complaint, shall we say.
At the minimum, its content for us and ad revenue for you. That being said, You, Potato Quality and Sea Lord Mountbatten have basically summed up ASW by telling people that they should play subs as to get a more intimate idea on how to properly counter. Not sure how specific you could be outside of this video lol but I'll watch it anyways
If the sub is alone with no support drive at them if your above them they cant torp you but attempting to do that and retain a HP pool well keep spamming your asw and hope your team have an IQ to support. The amount of BBs that are in range of a sub yet can't grasp using their asw is shocking ....... Other than that if your out numbered , either leave and try to use a lot of islands if you can to block tracking of torps sent your wayor stay out of range , which with range of some sub torps aint easy if they know what they are doing.
OMG ich liebe die Thrasher!!! Mein absolutes Lieblings Sub und auch ich hab die 2501, die 4501, die Balao und die S-189, aber keine macht mir so viel Spaß wie die thrasher. Faszinierend. Du hast auch gar nicht erwähnt warum die Tjrasher Hydro limitiert ist: sie hat einen schnelleren Ping Intervall als alle anderen. In Verbindung mit der Tauchzeit und der Torpedo Anzahl (die übrigens mega gut tracken) ist die thrasher ein Monster um bestimmte Zonen (wie den Cap) zu bearbeiten
Thanks for sub-stance(xd) of submarine play tactics and usefull modules and captain skills. This lesson made me finally sub-scribe for more content. I saw already your coal, steel, RB ships guides, but also few more vids. I am glad you comments are in good English, as my fragment of Deutsch would require probably some time spent in German surroundings. Your uploads with some humor and speech with German accent makes videos not just watchable, but also comfortable to understand what happens in your game and reasons of your decisions. Keep doing welling.
At tier 10, average damage of German, US and UK submarines are all about 36k. Underpowered. Roughly the same. I don’t understand why people offer opinions without checking basic statistics which will confirm or invalidate their opinion.
he is so right about the british submarines, it's a very cool concept, a big battery and slow speed but its also super un-fun and not very strong as people can charge you down with hydro without problem and you can't as hard as other submarines they should probably start by giving thrasher a 29 surface speed and 25 underwater speed or something. but it gets better as the british hydrophone is only 6 km range, not 8 km, so your hydro has less range than your surface spotting.
Very helpful, thanks. I,ve got the u2501 and it is being difficult to learn how to play it, it's quite different from the tier viii, no rear torpedos. I used to play better games with the u190 than the u2501....
Slot 1 you want DCP. Slot 2 engine is useless on submarines so you take DCP. Slot 4 prop' mod only if you plan on starting/stopping a lot, otherwise planing.
This is a great guide, thank you! I would like to see you talk about strats and strengths of the American subs. BTW, the Soviet premium S-189 has a 9km ASW hydrophone like the Germans but also the long DCP like the US subs which I like to use the DCP upgrade in slot 1 for having that longer non-flood/fire if I get dropped on but also not being able to get pinged by an enemy sub immediately after a DCP use. I have my Balao up to a 22.1s action time for DCP with a 51s cooldown which can save your butt when things go wrong and they usually do. 🙂
Informative! Finally a sub guide not by a potato. Now I don’t need to play subs to figure out their perks. Subs (especially Gato) are still really stupid though. Sub gameplay incentivizes the average player to yolo shotgun every match, which is equivalent to having T2 DD gameplay at TX. I feel I lose braincells after each match at a higher rate now.
Clear as water, very helpfull for DD players trying to kill Subs LOL Most Sub players keep pinning while surrounded by enemies, just stupidly hilarious
super good. Thank you very much! Question: Is it true that as a sub at pericope depth I can no longer look as far as a surfaced sub? Thank you and keep up the good work Greetings to the north
As much as everyone thought british submarines sucks, I do think that they're the only proper implementation of submarines in this game right now. You DO get outrun by DD, You DO have the maneuverability enough to be confortable but hard enough to pull off shotgunning. It's not the entire class of submarines are people tend to complain about, it's just the U2501 and Balao that are full of BS
2:05 I know this is 5 months later, however the british subs don't even have more dive cap, if you take the german sub dive cap, and add the reserve battery charges to it, you get more dive cap on the german submarines there no reason to play the british submarines, they are inferior in every single way to all the other lines. a guy who has 500 hours in only subs on the WOWS discord forums posted an entire list of what is wrong or too powerful with each specific submarine
Hello Trenlas, at 9:45 you make a factual mistake. Hydrophone spots NOT only on the map, but also on normally. However it only does so for you and it does so in screenshot manner every so often so you need to estimate the spped etc of the ship.
Hey guys, just starting out wows, I wanna play submarines , what's the best sub to start with? And any reason why subs seem to be hated everywhere? And what submarine should be my end goal?
Thanks for the great vid. A Short Question concerning hydrophones: Am I spotted if I use it on the surface or on periscope depth or below pd? Or am I never detected?
And DDs have “shit” based ASW, so true another reason why subs have no place in this game when the class that was suppose to hunt and kill subs are the worse class for it.
The dd was not just designed to kill subs. They served many purposes. The ship that were designed to kill dd are not really in the game. They are basically Water down dd that are slower then a typical fleet dd and are cheaper to make but they designed for escort and Coastal defense ships hence their name of escorts. Now dd can also do the escort roles but dd are primarily with the fleets and escorts are with convoys.
Trasher is still faster below surface then it was above surface and twice as fast as it was below surface. And ypu dont understand why majority hate this class since it have nothing to do with realiity.
So namy vids on how to play subs now the ones who don't wil watch tem to learn what they do, subs are unplayable right now and german subs should definately have the 'schnorkeling capability like the real ones did
You can watch all clips regarding how to be a better wows player, and 90% od the skills will be gained by playing it... I also hate subs, they are boring to play yet they can easily destroyed great games. Looks like WG wants us, ship players out of the game, acc to what they do.
Let's say hypothetically someone chose to play British subs because they felt that they were the most 'realistic'/fair to fight against. What tips would you give to that player on how to at least be mediocre
@@smaug9617 Sort of, yes, just got destroyed by a sub, but a cancer in the game, that I don't want anything to do with. Tried a few times and boring as hell!
Sub players get instant report from me. I hate that even a dumb a-hole 4x% winrate player can travel through the whole map undetected and show up next to a player sending free and lethal salvo or just doing nothing the whole game. This class also enforces the majority of the non-SUB players to stick to the end of the map close to their own spawn area playing sharp-shooters just to stay alive and avoid SUBshit. Do not misunderstand me TRenlass is a good player, way better than me. What I am trying to say is that it was a huge mistake to introduce this class.
Meh...didnt mean that against you, my apologies. Just a snarky comment on the state of subs (less after rework) and CVs in game. I can see how you took that as directed at you and the video. I apologize, was not the intention. @@trenlass809
Every single game now the teams just leave you to fend for yourself probably due to hatred of the class got so bad now I almost alt f4 nearly every game, beggining to hate WoW's now more than I hated WoT's. With WG, anything british is usually crap, Subs, CV's you name it al crap, same in WoT's
Tks Trenlass, I finally got it how and why those bbs started to shoot me and drop me without spotting me... I got probably Hydro. I got most the mechanic of subs but did know that everybody could see you when hydrophone on. I gave a try to subs, they are here so why not. Had a 60+ WR with US/German sub from T6 to T8, I grinded the British T6 to 8... my sub WR drop under 50. I have the feeling british don't bring so much impact and game influence overall. I play my sub as a dd, drop torps around, very few ping... stealth is key. Sub are easy to counter most the time and can be drop by almost anyone with asw even through mountains etc.. Way easier to deal with than CV at 32km sending you wave of planes.
How to play subs....don't. Wish everyone would just quit playing subs and CVs so WG would stop pushing them. The sub hunting class is so anemic in that role, if you don't have plane based ASW you may as well just stand up from the keyboard and let your game end. 50% of the time at least even after clearing a ping the torps still track. CVs and subs do not belong in this game.
WG are the Masters of Sunk Cost Fallacy. They have invested in submarine development, so now they will do whatever they have to to get a certain minimum percentage of the playerbase to play that class. Same was done for CVs after the rework, btw.
I might have some tips:
- ping between the middle and rear end of the enemy, that way if they turn out or in, the homing will compensate for them turning or slowing down
- shoot torpedoes at the predicted position as if you were firing dumbfire torps. then only ping when the torpedoes are half underway, that way the enemy has too little time to course correct
- shoot torpedoes with a 2 second interval, that way they can't dodge the entire wave, even if they have hydro on
- shoot torpedoes only at enemies that are coming towards you or show their broadside, there is no point in trying to hit enemies that run away
- you can shotgun from maximum depth by pinging and then firing torpedoes, meaning you can kill enemies that hydro search for you
- never try to ping enemies from close range using hydrophone, too many things can go wrong, you give away your location at close range, the enemy can still DCP it and at close range, the torpedoes do not have time to course correct
- depth charges drop to 30m so you take less splash damage on 60m or on the surface
- drive at 90 degrees to the enemy when pinging, that way you are least likely to be accurately ASW bombed
Those tips help a lot! But can u tell me the best sub for a beginner (to learn how to play subs correctly and kinda easy to play)I am just starting the game and planning to be a submarine main
@@hyperbeetle1019 german subs are incredibly overpowered, just make sure to not charge, try to stay at near maximum torpedo range.
@@unowno123 ok, thanks for telling!
A good follow up would be a guide on how to play against submarines (for each other artillery boat class/with each type of ASW/with and without utility consumables) as this is a very common topic of... complaint, shall we say.
will come soon aswell :D
@@trenlass809 Good stuff, looking forward to it.
At the minimum, its content for us and ad revenue for you.
That being said, You, Potato Quality and Sea Lord Mountbatten have basically summed up ASW by telling people that they should play subs as to get a more intimate idea on how to properly counter. Not sure how specific you could be outside of this video lol but I'll watch it anyways
Bad, bad. Stop. I don't need more people dropping depth charges on me from no where.
If the sub is alone with no support drive at them if your above them they cant torp you but attempting to do that and retain a HP pool well keep spamming your asw and hope your team have an IQ to support. The amount of BBs that are in range of a sub yet can't grasp using their asw is shocking ....... Other than that if your out numbered , either leave and try to use a lot of islands if you can to block tracking of torps sent your wayor stay out of range , which with range of some sub torps aint easy if they know what they are doing.
Good Guide👍 I like that you mention certain things that more experienced players would take for granted. Keep it up, thank you for the video
Thanks for the info! I've been watching your vids for awhile. Finally got my first sub today. Fun game play, thanks again!
Sir, your video is the most helpfull, straight to the point, honest, and no BS
please make how to aim accurately for new player like me
Really need something like sub surveilance for DD's, hate when you think you're on top of them depth charging but they slip away...
Fantastic video Trenlass! Thank you for sharing!
Lovely Video. I love that you explain everything you do and what you expect of the enemy. 10/10
OMG ich liebe die Thrasher!!! Mein absolutes Lieblings Sub und auch ich hab die 2501, die 4501, die Balao und die S-189, aber keine macht mir so viel Spaß wie die thrasher. Faszinierend. Du hast auch gar nicht erwähnt warum die Tjrasher Hydro limitiert ist: sie hat einen schnelleren Ping Intervall als alle anderen. In Verbindung mit der Tauchzeit und der Torpedo Anzahl (die übrigens mega gut tracken) ist die thrasher ein Monster um bestimmte Zonen (wie den Cap) zu bearbeiten
Thanks for sub-stance(xd) of submarine play tactics and usefull modules and captain skills.
This lesson made me finally sub-scribe for more content.
I saw already your coal, steel, RB ships guides, but also few more vids.
I am glad you comments are in good English, as my fragment of Deutsch would require probably some time spent in German surroundings.
Your uploads with some humor and speech with German accent makes videos not just watchable, but also comfortable to understand what happens in your game and reasons of your decisions.
Keep doing welling.
Gameplay starts at : 12:45 for those that need it.
Do watch the entire vid tho. Good info.
At tier 10, average damage of German, US and UK submarines are all about 36k. Underpowered. Roughly the same. I don’t understand why people offer opinions without checking basic statistics which will confirm or invalidate their opinion.
he is so right about the british submarines, it's a very cool concept, a big battery and slow speed
but its also super un-fun and not very strong as people can charge you down with hydro without problem and you can't as hard as other submarines
they should probably start by giving thrasher a 29 surface speed and 25 underwater speed or something. but it gets better as the british hydrophone is only 6 km range, not 8 km, so your hydro has less range than your surface spotting.
Very helpful, thanks. I,ve got the u2501 and it is being difficult to learn how to play it, it's quite different from the tier viii, no rear torpedos. I used to play better games with the u190 than the u2501....
Good for learning how to play subs, and how to counter them.
I love submarines
Thank you! Very helpful.
Slot 1 you want DCP. Slot 2 engine is useless on submarines so you take DCP. Slot 4 prop' mod only if you plan on starting/stopping a lot, otherwise planing.
will surface torps hit a periscope depth sub?
If you're lucky, you'll hit the sail according to a different video (Yuro).
@@BlackHearthguard Thank you! Yes, since I've asked this question I have seen your answer to me accurate.
nice video.. good tips...
... i tried ~20-30 times to turn the camera around by moving my mouse xD
We need a video on how to play against them ( for example against my Hipper ). The only rational action at this stage seems to be to run away.
Kiting = Winning I guess.
This is a great guide, thank you! I would like to see you talk about strats and strengths of the American subs. BTW, the Soviet premium S-189 has a 9km ASW hydrophone like the Germans but also the long DCP like the US subs which I like to use the DCP upgrade in slot 1 for having that longer non-flood/fire if I get dropped on but also not being able to get pinged by an enemy sub immediately after a DCP use. I have my Balao up to a 22.1s action time for DCP with a 51s cooldown which can save your butt when things go wrong and they usually do. 🙂
very good guide love it
Informative! Finally a sub guide not by a potato. Now I don’t need to play subs to figure out their perks. Subs (especially Gato) are still really stupid though. Sub gameplay incentivizes the average player to yolo shotgun every match, which is equivalent to having T2 DD gameplay at TX. I feel I lose braincells after each match at a higher rate now.
Thank you so much ❤
I clicked this for the title im trying to play submarines so...HOW TO PLAY AS SUBMARINES!!!!
I think you missed an opportunity to show how to play sub vs sub, detection mechanics, how to sail while shooting pings to avoid ASW
Clear as water, very helpfull for DD players trying to kill Subs LOL Most Sub players keep pinning while surrounded by enemies, just stupidly hilarious
This is excellent. Can you update for the latest changes?
I will eventually but most stuff didnt change regarding builds
super good. Thank you very much! Question: Is it true that as a sub at pericope depth I can no longer look as far as a surfaced sub? Thank you and keep up the good work Greetings to the north
Yes, you then spot ships by their air visibility ranges. hence dds being in your face suddenly
@@MAJmufin great thank you very much!
As much as everyone thought british submarines sucks, I do think that they're the only proper implementation of submarines in this game right now. You DO get outrun by DD, You DO have the maneuverability enough to be confortable but hard enough to pull off shotgunning. It's not the entire class of submarines are people tend to complain about, it's just the U2501 and Balao that are full of BS
2:05 I know this is 5 months later, however the british subs don't even have more dive cap, if you take the german sub dive cap, and add the reserve battery charges to it, you get more dive cap on the german submarines
there no reason to play the british submarines, they are inferior in every single way to all the other lines.
a guy who has 500 hours in only subs on the WOWS discord forums posted an entire list of what is wrong or too powerful with each specific submarine
Would the 4501 use the same Capt skills or would you trade AR for Superintendant to get extra heal, battery reserve and DCP?
Na its fine tbh
thanks for the guide. what is the situation that you would go max submersion depth?
if you get spammed by asw to reduce damage
Hello Trenlas, at 9:45 you make a factual mistake. Hydrophone spots NOT only on the map, but also on normally. However it only does so for you and it does so in screenshot manner every so often so you need to estimate the spped etc of the ship.
Hey guys, just starting out wows, I wanna play submarines , what's the best sub to start with? And any reason why subs seem to be hated everywhere? And what submarine should be my end goal?
German best submarine radar
Great Guide. Going up US Tech, finally got Cachalot. Still learning how to control it mostly. This gives me a lot of good info once I can steer it.
Thanks for the great vid. A Short Question concerning hydrophones: Am I spotted if I use it on the surface or on periscope depth or below pd? Or am I never detected?
you are spotted if the enemy sub uses it and you are either above the surface or on periscope
the only way to not get spotted is beeing in deep water
also it only works for you if you are on periscope or deep water, if you use the hidrophone yourself on the surface it wont work at all
One thing I didn't quite understand yet: What difference does 30 and 60m diving depth make in terms of game mechanics?
apparently you take less damage from depth charges
@@trenlass809 ah ok, thanks! Was expecting some differences in detectability or sth. like that and couldn't figure out any difference in the end 😅
i main subs and on a new account doing the brit line i've played 100 games without watchful and find it pretty useless
Finally, thanks Tren!
And DDs have “shit” based ASW, so true another reason why subs have no place in this game when the class that was suppose to hunt and kill subs are the worse class for it.
The dd was not just designed to kill subs. They served many purposes. The ship that were designed to kill dd are not really in the game. They are basically Water down dd that are slower then a typical fleet dd and are cheaper to make but they designed for escort and Coastal defense ships hence their name of escorts. Now dd can also do the escort roles but dd are primarily with the fleets and escorts are with convoys.
GG! Good rundown on submarine gameplay. It seems by your description of the abilities of German submarines that they are the easiest to use.
Question: What can uncover me as a submarine in 60m depth and looks like a hydro as a symbol?
the submarine survelance
@@trenlass809 danke dir und weiter mit dem geilen Kanal. Grüße in den Norden
Trenlas, you make another factual mistake at 20:00 planes can spot you at periscope depth. It's even the same distance nearly as at surface.
yep but only the saying atleast i said you need to be in deepwater right afterwards :D
I can't even find submarines in WoW. I don't know how to play as them. 🤷♂️
👌.
Record subs in a day matching twitch incoming ? 👀👀
Wait WHUT?!? ... this is gonna be gud :D
This is a great video, learning how to play subs well teaches you how to play well against them too…for all of the whiners out there.
For those sub players you ma like this link RUclips channel: .... How Killer U-Boats Battled the Royal Navy
You should really get a pop filter for your mic, it sounds to bad
Trasher is still faster below surface then it was above surface and twice as fast as it was below surface. And ypu dont understand why majority hate this class since it have nothing to do with realiity.
If you know how to play it you will definitely know how to counter it
- wiseman
So namy vids on how to play subs now the ones who don't wil watch tem to learn what they do, subs are unplayable right now and german subs should definately have the 'schnorkeling capability like the real ones did
PLEASE STOP HELPING SUB PLAYERS As you know, Subs are just already spoiled by WG.
You can watch all clips regarding how to be a better wows player, and 90% od the skills will be gained by playing it... I also hate subs, they are boring to play yet they can easily destroyed great games. Looks like WG wants us, ship players out of the game, acc to what they do.
how are you getting so much xp
according to Flamuu, submarines as a class get a buff to earned base-xp
Oof I just got my first sub and it’s British
Bomb content as always! Even if it's a sub video 😁
Let's say hypothetically someone chose to play British subs because they felt that they were the most 'realistic'/fair to fight against. What tips would you give to that player on how to at least be mediocre
How dare you teach sub players to be better! lol
because they might also help your team :D
best way to play a submarine in wows. step one don't. step 2 don't do and step don't do it.
this is toxic guide
Dem more talk😅
“Many do not know how submarines work.” But that does not stop the constant whining and complaining.
am besten garnicht .....
Sorry Trenlass - I'm not watching this; I never want to play subs or CVs again! Might be informative about defending against them, but I'll move on :P
Why?
And that is why you hate it , because you don’t understand how they are played . So you will always lose to them and hate them for your own mistakes.
@@smaug9617 Sort of, yes, just got destroyed by a sub, but a cancer in the game, that I don't want anything to do with. Tried a few times and boring as hell!
What are cvs
That’s like complaining that the pitcher throws a curveball and you refuse to swing at curveballs… ya gonna get struck out
Im so glad we dont have subs in legends.
How to play Subs with BROKEN HOMING PIECE OF DING?!?! Its ridiculous. Making me want to quit in the middle of the match.
very easy to dodge if you know how to play, just get better lol
Sub players get instant report from me. I hate that even a dumb a-hole 4x% winrate player can travel through the whole map undetected and show up next to a player sending free and lethal salvo or just doing nothing the whole game. This class also enforces the majority of the non-SUB players to stick to the end of the map close to their own spawn area playing sharp-shooters just to stay alive and avoid SUBshit. Do not misunderstand me TRenlass is a good player, way better than me. What I am trying to say is that it was a huge mistake to introduce this class.
Well they cant do that anymore
Even easier than your tips, easiest way is to just not play them.
Or to not comment :)
Meh...didnt mean that against you, my apologies. Just a snarky comment on the state of subs (less after rework) and CVs in game. I can see how you took that as directed at you and the video. I apologize, was not the intention. @@trenlass809
Don’t play them. Ez clap.
Every single game now the teams just leave you to fend for yourself probably due to hatred of the class got so bad now I almost alt f4 nearly every game, beggining to hate WoW's now more than I hated WoT's. With WG, anything british is usually crap, Subs, CV's you name it al crap, same in WoT's
well malta is busted and their cruisers are great , dds strong and bbs busted
damn you for teaching people how to play this terrible, awful, toxic class
:)
wows aim suck. it has the worst aim in aNY GAME I EVER PLAYED
It is simple - dont play them....
Tks Trenlass, I finally got it how and why those bbs started to shoot me and drop me without spotting me... I got probably Hydro. I got most the mechanic of subs but did know that everybody could see you when hydrophone on.
I gave a try to subs, they are here so why not. Had a 60+ WR with US/German sub from T6 to T8, I grinded the British T6 to 8... my sub WR drop under 50.
I have the feeling british don't bring so much impact and game influence overall.
I play my sub as a dd, drop torps around, very few ping... stealth is key.
Sub are easy to counter most the time and can be drop by almost anyone with asw even through mountains etc.. Way easier to deal with than CV at 32km sending you wave of planes.
How to play subs....don't. Wish everyone would just quit playing subs and CVs so WG would stop pushing them. The sub hunting class is so anemic in that role, if you don't have plane based ASW you may as well just stand up from the keyboard and let your game end. 50% of the time at least even after clearing a ping the torps still track. CVs and subs do not belong in this game.
while I disagree with the sub statement it wont change anything ^^ they will stay and atleast I can help people how to play with them
I bought the gato in defiance.
God bless America. And subs.
WG are the Masters of Sunk Cost Fallacy. They have invested in submarine development, so now they will do whatever they have to to get a certain minimum percentage of the playerbase to play that class. Same was done for CVs after the rework, btw.
Tip 1 of 1 very important LEAVE THEM IN PORT