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Ram is suing you??? Why?? You’re giving your honest opinion. I agree with you 100%. I work at a dodge, Jeep dealership and a lot of the Jeeps that come through with that 2.4 multi-air engine are JUNK!!!! Not to mention all of the GR8 battery tests that we have to warranty because the vehicle is ruining batteries as a result of not having the latest firmware and software updates
In South America too! They used to build it in Brazil, but no more as it couldn’t keep up with competition and it bankrupted owners! It’s an actual POC!
My dad watched your channel religiously, but sadly passed away recently. I'll try to continue watching your show in his honor. Keep up the good work, Scotty!
The 2.4 Tigershark is a former Chrysler Global engine started during the DC era and jointly with Chrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi. It was updated with Fiat MultiAir tech. It is not a Fiat engine.
I own a 2000 dodge 1500 cargo van, bought in cero miles on 2001, now has close to 400.000 miles. Since the very first day a bought it burns about 1 qr of motor oil every other month. Replace transmission two times. Engine still is the original one that came on van from factory.
Yeah I have a Dodge sprinter with a 3.0 crd diesel for a lawn buisness and that thing keeps going and going. I use it for junk removal and moving jobs as well lol
It always baffles me when companies state they are anti-pollution and then do absolutely nothing with in regards to the amount the amount of plastic that's designed in and manufactured.
Scotty needs to be made U.S. Secretary of Auto Quality, the USA would regain the world leadership in Auto manufacturing. Imagine, what that would do for our economy.
It's funny because the 2.4l Tigershark is a Hyundai-built engine build under the World Engine moniker. The engine is really chattery and they are obnoxiously loud. The engine itself though, will last a very long time. You will replace the air intake plenum, but that's easy and cheap to do. I've seen these engines go 300K in Avengers.
I work in the major components dept of a major fleet management company, and these are total garbage. I processed 3 engines and 4 transmissions on these just this week alone. The larger Promaster is even worse .... run like the wind straight away from Chrysler's garbage...
The gearing gives fantastic acceleration even when the vehicle is loaded down, and the top gear is really high, gives really fantastic gas mileage at highway speeds. I saw a video on how these transmissions are designed and put together. Those German engineers must be produced on CNC machines.
I had a Ram Van, a Nissan MV, and a Ford Transit. The Transit lost 2nd gear because Ford says you don't have to change the transmission fluid . The leasing company junked the van. The Ram van had all kinds of engine problems. The Nissian was pretty good but too small. The company I worked for gave up and switched to full size pickups trucks.
The oil burning issue with the 2.4 is due to improperly designed piston skirts along with bad oil control rings. The engine was redesigned to use Fiats Multiair heads.
Japan did a study on cars and their environmental impact, the result was your old car does less than the factories cranking out new ones, yes a new car be it gas, diesel, or electric is already in the negative before you ever turn the key on it, stop buying new every 3-5 years, get your moneys worth out of it!
We have one at work, it's a piece. Transmission is horrible. Rattles at idle, feel like the transmission isn't disengaging. Won't come out of park sometimes. Can't get the key out sometimes. I will say, as far as I know, our doesn't use oil.
The reason why those Multi Air engines have a loud top end is because they don't have any cams! The valves are actuated by pneumatic solenoids in those engines.
A man l want to ty for all you do and the advise you give, as a small business owner that can't afford to make a 30k dollar mistake this video was very informative 👌. Keep up the great work and ty once again.
My company uses those and we are required to get an oil change every 5000 miles, so if I’m losing oil it’s getting replaced every 5000 miles. And our company leases them and replaces them every 120,000 miles.
Mine has been fine (as I knock on my head). The trans, many people will argue with your statement. It shifts weird. Lots of people are saying that they are doing fine after LOTS of miles. Some haven't been so lucky. These vans seem to be a shot in the dark. Their either great or a pile of crap.
Chrysler has done this for decades before it became FCA. The Dodge Stealth was a rebadged Mitsubishi 3000GT. The Chrysler Crossfire was a rebadged Mercedes Benz SLK (same R171 chassis). My dad's old Ford Taurus has a DOHC V6 made by Jaguar. Chevrolet back in the 1980's built Novas using the AE85 chassis from Toyota. Drivetrains and numerous vehicle components are used among different manufacturers. The 2.4 inline 4 in that Ram was designed jointly by Dailmer, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Subaru and Volkswagen. Same engine but with different configurations between the manufacturers. I installed a turbocharger from a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 10 on my 2005 SRT-4. Bolted right in. Vehicles from U.S. manufacturers hasn't been entirely American made for decades. Same parts vendors supplying parts to all manufacturers. Any way so manufacturers can save a buck. Low quality mass produced parts in overpriced vehicles.
Also most zf trans, rear and front differentials, front drive units, are American made, with German designs. I know cause I work at their plant. Michigan made, from the ring and pinion gears to the finished FDU, American made
My 09 Camry hybrid burns like 1qt every 1000 miles because of the defect... Breaks my heart that soon that will be the death of an otherwise great car....
I've got a V* P*ss*t 118 tsi and they just did that oil consumption test and it's using 580ml per 1000Km. Have you done a video on these cars or could you please. They pretend like it's "ooh never seen this before" but they have a well rehearsed script to deal with it and technical service bulletins. Fully dealer serviced for 135000 km and driven like a granny but problem was always there since I bought it at 35000km. Fyi I am not in the USA though.
Anybody sues you Scotty, start a fund raiser for legal fees to get going and we got you. End result will be legal fees and compensation from suing parties.
Scotty I would have thought you knew better but that's a high pressure and injection pump for the direct injection and it could also be the valves I wouldn't put it past Chrysler to have a noisy valve train but a lot has to do with the direct injection pump
The older Ram vehicles were named after the majestic animal with beautiful horns. The new Ram vehicles are named after how they will be inserting it in you.
I never felt 8k to a quart was bad, in 1984 my accountant had a new Oldsmobile cutlass with 4 cam v6 that got 400 mi to a quart and gm wouldn't do anything about it..I personally witnessed a LA to las Vegas round trip using 2 quarts. 2 month old car.
Hey Scotty, I had the UK version of this, badged as a Vauxhall Combo. It gave 54 mpg in 1.6 diesel engine and was very reliable. What's going wrong over there in US.
re: "Here's Why Ram Is Suing Me" - 1. Went through Video to find out what court of law Scotty is being sued in. 2. Sued for "slander" or for "telling the truth?"
@@Maples01 f-jokebiden and the entire JokeBiden crime family. The JokeBiden administration is completely incompetent as well. This potato has to go! The democrats are being controlled by the radical left and the whole country is suffering because of the failed leadership. F-JokeBiden! The country needs Orange Man Rad 2024 to clean this mess up.
I think as a whole fleet, we're way past peak of how long cars will last. GDI and all this technology, cars getting totalled with airbags deployed at any point in their life.....Quality of GM/Dodge etc....bah, I just bought my 1st new car ever. A camry TRD.
My company leased a few hundred of those across the US. Most of the Promaster city’s at my office spent more time in the shop getting fixed. The repair bills were so high that the company refuses to use those anymore
Really interesting, In Turkey, this cars know as Fiat Doblo (Cargo-combo etc.) Peoples are buying it because of service and operating expenses low. You can find their parts where ever you go. You can find lots of mechanic guy who knows the car(actually every mechanics) and their parts are cheap. One is Fiat Doblo(most of bakers use it/bakers trolley) another is Ford Transit, Courier etc. They are using these cars in any road without thinking like a garbage. if you see one of them probably it will be more than 300-400k km and they used in heavy conditions. They don't care much just drive'n go, and it works
The Fiat version never had that "Fiat made" 2.4 Multiair engine in Europe, the cargo versions are almost always diesels. But they hold up pretty well. I mean they get beaten up and after 7-8 years the doors no longer slide open fluently, and the turbo is making noise because these are see 0 love, respect and service but that's how it goes they're cheap that's why people buy them. Also why would you waste your money on a Toyota when you know how they look like in a few years and to be honest the Toyotas here no longer carry that durable-90's-camry spirit.
When I left for college in 1984, my dad’s send off advice to have a successful life: 1) be a gentleman to the ladies 2) treat your elders with respect 3) don’t be a bigot 4) never buy a Chrysler
2:02 Loose piston rings are not anti-pollution, it's so the engine has less resistance and gets better gas mileage. Ironically, the burning oil causes more pollution. Good video 👍
Scotty what we have here is a failure to communicate, low friction piston rings allow manufactures to meet the absurd MPG standards (burning oil must be environmentally responsible LOL). The FCA equation is to except the warranty cost of the design or pay a penalty on EVERY vehicle built for failure to meet the government standard. Building a quality vehicle was not in the design parameter.
Why do they need all that when 4cyl carbureted engines were getting the same if not better MPG? 40+ years ago youd think MPG would increase as technology advances
@@TheHorselemonade planned obsolescence my friend, make these cars absurdity complex to discourage DIY repairs. If my 2020 corolla go in a front end minor fender bender, most likely be totalled as all this extra safe computer crap is right there.... Make them cheap, impossible to repair at intermediate levels repairs, Mark them up and ship them. Compared to my 98 camry this new Rolla is a tin can toy. What's the point of all the safety crap if this new tin can can't withstand a minor head on collision
My company has 7 of these vans. All with over 125,000 on them. The one I drive has 138,000. Oil changed every 5000. Front suspension is the first thing of significance to break at about 100,000. We are waiting to see when they start to crop out.
I used to work at a Chrysler dealership. Every time we checked the oil on a car with the 2.4 multi-air the dipstick was bone dry. So we started putting in another half a quart in more than what was needed. Also these engines get so hot all of the plastic covers warp.
I've kept my City too long!! it's gotten worse so my dealer had my open a 'good will case' with corporate... I'm shopping (outside the brand) in the mean time!
I'm slowly working my way through every single Scotty Kilmer video, starting from 14 years ago. My goal is to soak up Scotty's car know-how. Hopefully this is the way to do it. 😂
The best way is to use your computer in your bedroom. Put on your headphones and think positive as you go to sleep. You can go from episode 1 all the way to episode 4843. It might take a couple weeks to work your way through them but you won't have wasted any of your regular time. Best way to get all of Scotty's knowledge of cars!
Scotty back in the 70's I drove Fiat 124. It looked great and it burned oil greatly. It went through a quart of oil every 3k miles, so I guess they are improving their "quality".🤭 Same old Fiat.
Hey Scotty, I posted on your website about this time of engine. My ex"s jeep renegade with 60k miles burnt a quart of oil every 800 miles, so by the time it needed an oil change there was going to be no oil left. After a few attempts with the dealer, they ended up replacing the engine. What a quality Chrysler has..
Hey Scotty,greetings from Turkey, seems like you guys drew the short straw.I'm not gonna pretend these Fiat Doblós(Ram Promaster to you guys) built like a Toyota(and we also build Corollas here ;) ) its still not that unreliable when its paired with 1.6 Multijet Diesel engines(1.3s also unreliable),while we dont get the 2.4 multiair we have 1.4 and 1.6 multiair engines in bunch of fiats and you are %100 right,multiair = trouble
All Commercial vehicle are done by Tofas in turkey ( plus Fiat Agea / Tipo ) and a Joint Venture called Filtopeci ( Fiat - PSA - Tofas ) that predates Stellantis ... those are born with a diesel engine in mind or 1.4 LPG and trust me ... never seen 2.4 here ( plus taxes are very high here ... Italy ) and the diesel ones are very tough stuff ... 1.6 is garbage also on cars ... i miss the old 1.9 jtd ... try to kill them
@@fabioisgro yup just like you said,for some reason gasoline engines of this platform and small disp. fca engines in general all are moneypits.Those old 1.9JTDs were the beasts
@@davecrupel2817 I expect to be like a Eyetalian girl friend. Temper + mental, dramatic and needs lots of attention and war paint. But also high performance on those rare occasions when she is satisfied.
At the Fedex yard I work at, we had a Promaster 3500. It was replaced in less than a year. The engine left us stranded twice out of cell service (Montana) because of a stupid sensor that is only there for efficiency. We only put 10000 miles on it. We swapped it out for a ford transit 3500 and while it also sucks it is a significant upgrade from the Ram. Sadly the sprinter style vans don't have any good options on the market. They are all made like garbage. The fords are probably the best but they are built only for pavement city driving. The suspension can't handle dirt roads and the engine and transmission are extremely weak. The body is also built like crap. Every door latch broke during the first year. Atleast they are easy and cheap to get fixed for that sort of thing.
We drove RAM ProMasters at a company I worked for years ago and they were the junkiest piles of junk! The sliding doors were junk, the locking mechanisms were junk, the automatic window buttons were junk… you could actually watch the vehicle fall apart in slow motion if you drove it long enough!
LOL "ProMasters" even the name sounds something like "Super pro plus plus extra speed" who the hell comes up with these names, especially when the product is nothing like pro or PROFESSIONAL that it should be if you just look at the name. Oops better not give them any ideas for future names 😂
My company has one with the 3.6 V6 with 154,000 miles and it runs pretty good. The transmission is really shitty and it's the slowest thing I've ever driven, but it runs good. It's really really really bad in the snow too 😂
several of the people i work with drive these, and they don't hold up. I had a GM cargo van that made it to 370k on the original engine without oil burning. went thru transmissions and axles, but the engine works perfectly.
I ran a pro master city to 95k cost me just under a grand in unexpected repairs. Not bad did not buy another because it was just to small for my needs .
A half a quart every 4K miles today is totally unacceptable. My Ram 1500 Hemi has 153k on the clock and burns zero oil during its 7500-mile oil change intervals. I’d drop that little turd bucket off where they got it and move on.
I bought a camry 07 with 106k miles. at 126k now. replaced valve cover gasket. repaired powersteering hose. other that that no problem. dash melts in summer. Joseph is the quality still there today?
@@markdamstra you're getting overheard that's stuff the people don't wanna hear, but if something breaks on a fiat like a window switch they're like "lOoK tHat'S LoW qUalItY rIGhT tHeRe".
Yeah that's how it sounds. :) Ive owned this van for 3 years. Other than burning some oil the van has been great. I test drove all three small vans in the US market in 2018, Ford, Nissan and Ram. Hands down the Ram was the easy choice at the time for me.. it drove the best, was the most comfortable/functional and the trade deal I got from Ram (for my truck) was hands down too good to turn down. last month I took it in to do the dealer and am currently doing their consumption test. They told me if it fails they will swap the engine, not repair it. Now that Ram is no longer Chrysler, but rather Stelantis the parent to a bunch of EV vans in this segment in Europe - I was hoping the Promaster city would eventually be replaced by the electric Opel, Peugeot or Citroen now under Stelantis. The Right thing for Ram to do is offer a buy back or credit program instead of an engine swap. Anyways i've so customized the van I'm stuck with it and likely gonna run it into the ground.
I'm a greenie environmental type, and Scotty is dead right about the carbon offset scam, the point is to be green by minimising how much carbon one produces at source, or else it's simply shuffling the matter onto somebody else's company profile (in a manner of speaking).
It's a corporate fascist mechanism. An opportunity for political donors to look green Profiteering is their first care while they sell the charade to the masses.
The idea isn't to shuffle the pollution around, although that may be happening. It's to make sure that companies aren't externalizing the costs of pollution, i.e. as long as it cost them nothing to fix, it's somebody else's problem. Ideally the as market for offsets tightens, offsets become more expensive than fixing the pollution and we just fix the problem.
@@dandesloover5541 Shuffle the 'perception of being polluting' somewhere else, is more what I meant, hide it by talking about carbon offsetting. I vaguely think 'we're doomed', but hopefully you are right. :-)
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Scotty what 2022 utility
Cargo van do you recommend?
Hey Scotty can you do a review on the Dodge Dart? 2013-16?
Ram is suing you??? Why?? You’re giving your honest opinion. I agree with you 100%. I work at a dodge, Jeep dealership and a lot of the Jeeps that come through with that 2.4 multi-air engine are JUNK!!!! Not to mention all of the GR8 battery tests that we have to warranty because the vehicle is ruining batteries as a result of not having the latest firmware and software updates
That thing loses in literally every single metric against my 2004 Mazda MPV GT that I picked up for $2,000 CAD or about $1500 USD.. rofl.
Everyone in Europe and Asia knows that this is a rebadged Fiat Doblo.
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In South America too! They used to build it in Brazil, but no more as it couldn’t keep up with competition and it bankrupted owners! It’s an actual POC!
@Eurasian Lynx 1.4 loves eating oil too. Fiat is really good in diesel. 1.9 TDI is really good.
My dad watched your channel religiously, but sadly passed away recently. I'll try to continue watching your show in his honor. Keep up the good work, Scotty!
Sorry for your loss
Lost my dad 11 yrs ago. It gets better man
Sorry for your lost
God bless him
My condolence.
You know you’re doing something right when they try to shut you down 😌
so when my mom is trying to shut me down I’m doing something right?
@@BmwMe-uh9sy yes keep it up😂
Yup it’s a skip with wheels😂😂
Actually the European Fiat version with smaller diesel and gas engines are pretty decent.
@@MrSparklespring A FixItAgainToni vehicle is hardly ever decent, EXEPT a few which weren't lemons 😂😂
The 2.4 Tigershark is a former Chrysler Global engine started during the DC era and jointly with Chrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi. It was updated with Fiat MultiAir tech. It is not a Fiat engine.
What ever happened to our "consumer protection" agency in this country?
I suppose it's gone to hell with the rest of our government.
They should have just branded it a DODGE because that's the name of their warranty policy.
I own a 2000 dodge 1500 cargo van, bought in cero miles on 2001, now has close to 400.000 miles.
Since the very first day a bought it burns about 1 qr of motor oil every other month.
Replace transmission two times.
Engine still is the original one that came on van from factory.
Yeah I have a Dodge sprinter with a 3.0 crd diesel for a lawn buisness and that thing keeps going and going.
I use it for junk removal and moving jobs as well lol
It’s time for a replacement van
It always baffles me when companies state they are anti-pollution and then do absolutely nothing with in regards to the amount the amount of plastic that's designed in and manufactured.
Scotty, you need some hoodies/sweaters in your merchandise section for us Canadians to rev up our dog sleds!
I have driven this exact vehicle at work and the acceleration really sucked!
Scotty needs to be made U.S. Secretary of Auto Quality, the USA would regain the world leadership in Auto manufacturing. Imagine, what that would do for our economy.
So in an attempt to help the environment they've actually hurt it. Smells corporate to me
It's funny because the 2.4l Tigershark is a Hyundai-built engine build under the World Engine moniker. The engine is really chattery and they are obnoxiously loud. The engine itself though, will last a very long time. You will replace the air intake plenum, but that's easy and cheap to do. I've seen these engines go 300K in Avengers.
I work in the major components dept of a major fleet management company, and these are total garbage. I processed 3 engines and 4 transmissions on these just this week alone. The larger Promaster is even worse .... run like the wind straight away from Chrysler's garbage...
I work at ZF and working on 8 an 9HP transmissions and they're beasts
The gearing gives fantastic acceleration even when the vehicle is loaded down, and the top gear is really high, gives really fantastic gas mileage at highway speeds. I saw a video on how these transmissions are designed and put together. Those German engineers must be produced on CNC machines.
@@genaugmen4505 😀
I had a Ram Van, a Nissan MV, and a Ford Transit. The Transit lost 2nd gear because Ford says you don't have to change the transmission fluid . The leasing company junked the van. The Ram van had all kinds of engine problems. The Nissian was pretty good but too small. The company I worked for gave up and switched to full size pickups trucks.
The oil burning issue with the 2.4 is due to improperly designed piston skirts along with bad oil control rings. The engine was redesigned to use Fiats Multiair heads.
How dare you tell us the truth Scotty.... can't believe you're getting sued. Am so glad I found you on youtube. Have learned so much! Thank you.
I have a 2016 Ram Promaster City with 140k miles. Never any issues burning oil. I use the van daily for service work. Great Van. Zero complaints.
Japan did a study on cars and their environmental impact, the result was your old car does less than the factories cranking out new ones, yes a new car be it gas, diesel, or electric is already in the negative before you ever turn the key on it, stop buying new every 3-5 years, get your moneys worth out of it!
You have such good content in all of your videos and are truly a good educator.
FIAT stands for Fix It Again Tony. Or Failure In Automotive Technology.
We have one at work, it's a piece. Transmission is horrible. Rattles at idle, feel like the transmission isn't disengaging. Won't come out of park sometimes. Can't get the key out sometimes. I will say, as far as I know, our doesn't use oil.
I love the horse when you laugh. It gets me every time!
I'm not surprised it's not an American vehicle, but it seems like a nice van. FCA and Italy, bleh. Miss the old days
I wouldn't worry about the rattle on start-up as long as it quiets within few seconds.
Not a fan of any Italian cars. They cannot even make a reliable electric car in a country full of mopeds.
The reason why those Multi Air engines have a loud top end is because they don't have any cams!
The valves are actuated by pneumatic solenoids in those engines.
Really? That`s a big surprise. Wonder about durability?
Well the older Mazda pickups were made by Ford and were rebranded.
Noises is indictive of excessive clearances not friction.....friction can cause premature wear in return excessive clearances
A man l want to ty for all you do and the advise you give, as a small business owner that can't afford to make a 30k dollar mistake this video was very informative 👌. Keep up the great work and ty once again.
I’d rather have a Chevy Express, GMC Savanna, or a Ford Econoline or a used Toyota Sienna or a used Honda Odyssey for a van.
Sounds like the ancient LLV's that the post office uses. Gas engines that sound like diesels.
My company uses those and we are required to get an oil change every 5000 miles, so if I’m losing oil it’s getting replaced every 5000 miles. And our company leases them and replaces them every 120,000 miles.
My Saturn 1994 SC2 burned a lot of oil too. Sold it as 100K miles.
Too many components failing at 60K.
I keep my 1990 Toyota Truck and 2005 Acura.
In Europe I don't think it is even possible to get that van with a petrol engine, everyone gets the diesel, it much better and even sounds quieter!
Mine has been fine (as I knock on my head).
The trans, many people will argue with your statement. It shifts weird.
Lots of people are saying that they are doing fine after LOTS of miles. Some haven't been so lucky.
These vans seem to be a shot in the dark. Their either great or a pile of crap.
No wonder, rented a bigger one of these to buy a motorcycle out of state and it seemed sketchy and cheap.
Get away from the 0w 20 motor oil or 5w 30 and try 10w 30 or straight 30w. Oil usage will decrease
Chrysler has done this for decades before it became FCA. The Dodge Stealth was a rebadged Mitsubishi 3000GT. The Chrysler Crossfire was a rebadged Mercedes Benz SLK (same R171 chassis). My dad's old Ford Taurus has a DOHC V6 made by Jaguar. Chevrolet back in the 1980's built Novas using the AE85 chassis from Toyota. Drivetrains and numerous vehicle components are used among different manufacturers. The 2.4 inline 4 in that Ram was designed jointly by Dailmer, Chrysler, Mitsubishi, Subaru and Volkswagen. Same engine but with different configurations between the manufacturers. I installed a turbocharger from a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 10 on my 2005 SRT-4. Bolted right in. Vehicles from U.S. manufacturers hasn't been entirely American made for decades. Same parts vendors supplying parts to all manufacturers. Any way so manufacturers can save a buck. Low quality mass produced parts in overpriced vehicles.
Also most zf trans, rear and front differentials, front drive units, are American made, with German designs. I know cause I work at their plant. Michigan made, from the ring and pinion gears to the finished FDU, American made
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Hi Scotty, Could it be just that the cross-hatch in the cylinders hasn’t worn in yet? Why are low tension rings better for the environment?
Friend had a Fiat X19 & the vehicle broke in half w/driving....rusted out frame, hahah
Man, plastic valve cover? Unpainted bumpers and burning oil? Only 7,000 miles? That’s like pinto quality.
Do you see my bill of repairs ? Now assume the "willing participant" position while I "ram it !"
“Ey, that’s-a-normal!” 😂
My 09 Camry hybrid burns like 1qt every 1000 miles because of the defect... Breaks my heart that soon that will be the death of an otherwise great car....
I'm thinking about buying a 2012 small Ford transit xlt. Does XLT mean extra large Trouble?
I mean you need to check oil on everything but I mean you should be changing the oil around 4k anyways
Maybe engine wasn't broken in right it could still be rings but don't rip it right away Toyota had a problem with low tension rings along time ago
Fiat: Fungul. My dad had one back in the early 60's, What a pos, he was always working on it.
I've got a V* P*ss*t 118 tsi and they just did that oil consumption test and it's using 580ml per 1000Km. Have you done a video on these cars or could you please. They pretend like it's "ooh never seen this before" but they have a well rehearsed script to deal with it and technical service bulletins. Fully dealer serviced for 135000 km and driven like a granny but problem was always there since I bought it at 35000km. Fyi I am not in the USA though.
Anybody sues you Scotty, start a fund raiser for legal fees to get going and we got you. End result will be legal fees and compensation from suing parties.
I own one of these vans. It's been an education for sure.
My 22re is just as noisy but I ain't worried.
Scotty I would have thought you knew better but that's a high pressure and injection pump for the direct injection and it could also be the valves I wouldn't put it past Chrysler to have a noisy valve train but a lot has to do with the direct injection pump
The older Ram vehicles were named after the majestic animal with beautiful horns. The new Ram vehicles are named after how they will be inserting it in you.
I never felt 8k to a quart was bad, in 1984 my accountant had a new Oldsmobile cutlass with 4 cam v6 that got 400 mi to a quart and gm wouldn't do anything about it..I personally witnessed a LA to las Vegas round trip using 2 quarts. 2 month old car.
Lawyers are like termites they come
out of the woodwork.
As we say in England, "it sounds like a bag of nails"!
Had one of these as a company car. Absolute carbage
Scotty...maybe it's a "two-stroke sewing machine"? 😁
Hey Scotty, I had the UK version of this, badged as a Vauxhall Combo. It gave 54 mpg in 1.6 diesel engine and was very reliable. What's going wrong over there in US.
Because Americans do not like diesels
Everything going wrong here
US gallons is 3.7 litres imperial gallon is 4.54litres so 28 mpg is about 34 mpg.
Hahaha just had a ram commercial pop up before watching this.
I have an old Toyota 4x4 Xtracab, my kid will have it one day!
Thank you Scotty for being brutally honest.
The headline is not even honest! He is not being sued. Brutally honest lol. Good grief.
@@tonypeterson5880 what do you know
@@DA_BEAMERRRR Watch your mouth slappy.
@@tonypeterson5880 keyboard warrior much?
@@tonypeterson5880 lol
re: "Here's Why Ram Is Suing Me" - 1. Went through Video to find out what court of law Scotty is being sued in. 2. Sued for "slander" or for "telling the truth?"
Truth and common sense are illegal in a democrat controlled world
Did you try Stellantis?
@@Maples01 f-jokebiden and the entire JokeBiden crime family. The JokeBiden administration is completely incompetent as well. This potato has to go! The democrats are being controlled by the radical left and the whole country is suffering because of the failed leadership. F-JokeBiden! The country needs Orange Man Rad 2024 to clean this mess up.
Sometimes I wonder if we're actually moving backwards when it comes to some vehicle tech these days 🤔
I think as a whole fleet, we're way past peak of how long cars will last. GDI and all this technology, cars getting totalled with airbags deployed at any point in their life.....Quality of GM/Dodge etc....bah, I just bought my 1st new car ever. A camry TRD.
I sometimes think they do it on purpose to fatten their pockets and not all people research before buying
@@mikel2887 I was looking into a camry trd. Naturally aspirated v6 right? And not a cvt?
Tech no, quality, never been worse.
@@nnon_existantt yes, 3.5L V6 no turbo and 8 speed auto trans
Scotty please talk about the Toyota remote start subscription please!
I never thought Toyota will be milking it's customers.
My company leased a few hundred of those across the US. Most of the Promaster city’s at my office spent more time in the shop getting fixed. The repair bills were so high that the company refuses to use those anymore
My town adopted them, and one of them is already crunched where the sliding doors are.
Great new car...
Really interesting, In Turkey, this cars know as Fiat Doblo (Cargo-combo etc.) Peoples are buying it because of service and operating expenses low. You can find their parts where ever you go. You can find lots of mechanic guy who knows the car(actually every mechanics) and their parts are cheap. One is Fiat Doblo(most of bakers use it/bakers trolley) another is Ford Transit, Courier etc. They are using these cars in any road without thinking like a garbage. if you see one of them probably it will be more than 300-400k km and they used in heavy conditions. They don't care much just drive'n go, and it works
The Fiat version never had that "Fiat made" 2.4 Multiair engine in Europe, the cargo versions are almost always diesels. But they hold up pretty well. I mean they get beaten up and after 7-8 years the doors no longer slide open fluently, and the turbo is making noise because these are see 0 love, respect and service but that's how it goes they're cheap that's why people buy them.
Also why would you waste your money on a Toyota when you know how they look like in a few years and to be honest the Toyotas here no longer carry that durable-90's-camry spirit.
My company was supposed to ditch these because of reliability. Somehow their still using them. Seat is ungodly uncomfortable and it's a piece of junk.
@@noobie1890 what do you mean by "crunched" ?
we must protect this man at all costs
When I left for college in 1984, my dad’s send off advice to have a successful life:
1) be a gentleman to the ladies
2) treat your elders with respect
3) don’t be a bigot
4) never buy a Chrysler
Bad advice these days
@@x-man4702 still good advice get off of tic tok and Sneako and Andrew Tate
😂😂😂😂
You dad is not two smart
@@ecogarden8353. He taught me proper grammar and spelling, too.
Glad Scotty is out there spreading the Truth about autos and the industry!
Hey Paul!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year my friend!
"Rams are rolling piles of junk!"-Scotty 😂
The 3.6 Promaster vans are supposed to be alot better... those mini ones are crap
"Does the prosecution have any evidence to submit?"
"RAM."
"Duly noted. Case dismissed."
Lmaooo
2:02 Loose piston rings are not anti-pollution, it's so the engine has less resistance and gets better gas mileage. Ironically, the burning oil causes more pollution.
Good video 👍
All those 2.4L engines that are tigershark engines have a recall for burning oil
Then the burnt oil clogs the catalytic converter..
It's a shame how Chrysler has gone down hill more so than ever. Give me an old Dodge slant 6 push button automatic.
Give me Dodge Spirit or Intrepid
The slant six was a truly great engine.
Scotty what we have here is a failure to communicate, low friction piston rings allow manufactures to meet the absurd MPG standards (burning oil must be environmentally responsible LOL). The FCA equation is to except the warranty cost of the design or pay a penalty on EVERY vehicle built for failure to meet the government standard. Building a quality vehicle was not in the design parameter.
Exactly. Thats how you get what we have here today. Which is the way the car companies want
You gotta get your mind right Luke 🤣😆👍
*Cool Hand Luke* that's a Classic!
Why do they need all that when 4cyl carbureted engines were getting the same if not better MPG? 40+ years ago youd think MPG would increase as technology advances
@@TheHorselemonade planned obsolescence my friend, make these cars absurdity complex to discourage DIY repairs. If my 2020 corolla go in a front end minor fender bender, most likely be totalled as all this extra safe computer crap is right there.... Make them cheap, impossible to repair at intermediate levels repairs, Mark them up and ship them. Compared to my 98 camry this new Rolla is a tin can toy. What's the point of all the safety crap if this new tin can can't withstand a minor head on collision
My company has 7 of these vans. All with over 125,000 on them. The one I drive has 138,000. Oil changed every 5000. Front suspension is the first thing of significance to break at about 100,000. We are waiting to see when they start to crop out.
I used to work at a Chrysler dealership. Every time we checked the oil on a car with the 2.4 multi-air the dipstick was bone dry. So we started putting in another half a quart in more than what was needed. Also these engines get so hot all of the plastic covers warp.
I've kept my City too long!! it's gotten worse so my dealer had my open a 'good will case' with corporate... I'm shopping (outside the brand) in the mean time!
I had a car made by Chrysler once in my life and I promized myself I would never, never, never buy another car by this manufacturer.
Well thank god this isn't made by Chrysler!
I'm slowly working my way through every single Scotty Kilmer video, starting from 14 years ago. My goal is to soak up Scotty's car know-how. Hopefully this is the way to do it. 😂
I have seen every scottie video. I know what he is going to say before he says it. He is leaving a tremendous legacy of knowledge.
Same here!
The best way is to use your computer in your bedroom. Put on your headphones and think positive as you go to sleep. You can go from episode 1 all the way to episode 4843. It might take a couple weeks to work your way through them but you won't have wasted any of your regular time. Best way to get all of Scotty's knowledge of cars!
Me too bro💯
50+ years of knowledge, wow
@@tiraypaige2859 Or one year of knowledge repeated 50 times (an old accountants joke).
Instead of putting all the blame on Chrysler for using carbon credits, let's blame the political parties who created this stupid game.
Trying to save earth, the only planet in the whole universe in which humans can live on, is never a game, it is the most valuable necessity ‼️
Scotty we appreciate your honesty. Fiats are junk and they've made Chrysler worse. At least someone has the guts to tell the truth!! 👍
"Fiats are junk", how do you explain they are still in business after 123 years... ???
Scotty back in the 70's I drove Fiat 124. It looked great and it burned oil greatly. It went through a quart of oil every 3k
miles, so I guess they are improving their "quality".🤭
Same old Fiat.
I had a 1975 Fiat 124 Sports coupe. Awesome car...
"Oh, these engines. They do that."
Their reason/explanation/solution is the same as the complaint, only worded differently.
😂😂😂
Hey Scotty, I posted on your website about this time of engine. My ex"s jeep renegade with 60k miles burnt a quart of oil every 800 miles, so by the time it needed an oil change there was going to be no oil left. After a few attempts with the dealer, they ended up replacing the engine. What a quality Chrysler has..
Jeep Renegade are made in Italy basically a Fiat as well...
@@LOOSEbowelz which is hilarious given the price tag of the Jeep.
I just saw you leaving Walgreens! You are a legend🙋🏻♀️
Hey Scotty,greetings from Turkey, seems like you guys drew the short straw.I'm not gonna pretend these Fiat Doblós(Ram Promaster to you guys) built like a Toyota(and we also build Corollas here ;) ) its still not that unreliable when its paired with 1.6 Multijet Diesel engines(1.3s also unreliable),while we dont get the 2.4 multiair we have 1.4 and 1.6 multiair engines in bunch of fiats and you are %100 right,multiair = trouble
i heard ford build transit connects in turkey like the fiesta based ones and ship them here for final assembly.
All Commercial vehicle are done by Tofas in turkey ( plus Fiat Agea / Tipo ) and a Joint Venture called Filtopeci ( Fiat - PSA - Tofas ) that predates Stellantis ... those are born with a diesel engine in mind or 1.4 LPG and trust me ... never seen 2.4 here ( plus taxes are very high here ... Italy ) and the diesel ones are very tough stuff ... 1.6 is garbage also on cars ... i miss the old 1.9 jtd ... try to kill them
Hey turkey, just wanna pass by and say hi!🙋♂️🇺🇸🇮🇱
@@invaderzim1265 hey😁🙋♂️
@@fabioisgro yup just like you said,for some reason gasoline engines of this platform and small disp. fca engines in general all are moneypits.Those old 1.9JTDs were the beasts
Just when you thought he's done dissing Fiat, he blurts: "Italian transmissions are garbage."
Itas true though... It's why I'll never, ever buy an Alfa Romeo again. Love the design but the transmission....
@@TheDaeroner It's Italian, dude.
What did you expect?
Fragile Instantly Aging Transmissions
Fragile (pronounced: Fra-Gee-Lay) It must be Italian.
@@davecrupel2817 I expect to be like a Eyetalian girl friend.
Temper + mental, dramatic and needs lots of attention and war paint.
But also high performance on those rare occasions when she is satisfied.
At the Fedex yard I work at, we had a Promaster 3500. It was replaced in less than a year. The engine left us stranded twice out of cell service (Montana) because of a stupid sensor that is only there for efficiency. We only put 10000 miles on it. We swapped it out for a ford transit 3500 and while it also sucks it is a significant upgrade from the Ram. Sadly the sprinter style vans don't have any good options on the market. They are all made like garbage. The fords are probably the best but they are built only for pavement city driving. The suspension can't handle dirt roads and the engine and transmission are extremely weak. The body is also built like crap. Every door latch broke during the first year. Atleast they are easy and cheap to get fixed for that sort of thing.
The unibody vans are the worst thing ever put on the market. Makes me regret complaining about the E-350’s and Chevy express vans
@@garrisonthompson4453 Those old chevy vans were annoying but atleast they worked. At the fedex yard I work at we have like 6 of them and 3 savanah's.
GM needs to bring over the opel mavano.
Now you know why I bought a Tacoma and a Kimbo truck camper! 🤣🖖
@@benjones8977 Tacoma's have their own issues. Just hope you bought the good one.
We drove RAM ProMasters at a company I worked for years ago and they were the junkiest piles of junk! The sliding doors were junk, the locking mechanisms were junk, the automatic window buttons were junk… you could actually watch the vehicle fall apart in slow motion if you drove it long enough!
LOL "ProMasters" even the name sounds something like "Super pro plus plus extra speed" who the hell comes up with these names, especially when the product is nothing like pro or PROFESSIONAL that it should be if you just look at the name. Oops better not give them any ideas for future names 😂
Slow motion my foot!
My company has one with the 3.6 V6 with 154,000 miles and it runs pretty good. The transmission is really shitty and it's the slowest thing I've ever driven, but it runs good. It's really really really bad in the snow too 😂
several of the people i work with drive these, and they don't hold up. I had a GM cargo van that made it to 370k on the original engine without oil burning. went thru transmissions and axles, but the engine works perfectly.
I ran a pro master city to 95k cost me just under a grand in unexpected repairs. Not bad did not buy another because it was just to small for my needs .
That Ram van will go 250,000 miles, once you hook it up to a Clydesdale after the engine quits.
With our thoroughbreds you might have some speeding tickets.😄
A half a quart every 4K miles today is totally unacceptable. My Ram 1500 Hemi has 153k on the clock and burns zero oil during its 7500-mile oil change intervals. I’d drop that little turd bucket off where they got it and move on.
I was forced to drive one of those early 2000's mini Ram vans & each & every rear door latch were broken 🤬🤬🤬
You nailed it Scotty! As a Toyota tech I'm baffled that these cars are allowed on the road and pass quality tests. 🤦♂️
Hope they are quiet
I bought a camry 07 with 106k miles. at 126k now. replaced valve cover gasket. repaired powersteering hose. other that that no problem. dash melts in summer. Joseph is the quality still there today?
@@busman7228 Quite.
It's allowed. Not Aloud.
Sorry 😞 I just watched Alonzo.
@@markdamstra you're getting overheard that's stuff the people don't wanna hear, but if something breaks on a fiat like a window switch they're like "lOoK tHat'S LoW qUalItY rIGhT tHeRe".
Yeah that's how it sounds. :) Ive owned this van for 3 years. Other than burning some oil the van has been great. I test drove all three small vans in the US market in 2018, Ford, Nissan and Ram. Hands down the Ram was the easy choice at the time for me.. it drove the best, was the most comfortable/functional and the trade deal I got from Ram (for my truck) was hands down too good to turn down. last month I took it in to do the dealer and am currently doing their consumption test. They told me if it fails they will swap the engine, not repair it. Now that Ram is no longer Chrysler, but rather Stelantis the parent to a bunch of EV vans in this segment in Europe - I was hoping the Promaster city would eventually be replaced by the electric Opel, Peugeot or Citroen now under Stelantis. The Right thing for Ram to do is offer a buy back or credit program instead of an engine swap. Anyways i've so customized the van I'm stuck with it and likely gonna run it into the ground.
I'm a greenie environmental type, and Scotty is dead right about the carbon offset scam, the point is to be green by minimising how much carbon one produces at source, or else it's simply shuffling the matter onto somebody else's company profile (in a manner of speaking).
It's a corporate fascist mechanism. An opportunity for political donors to look green
Profiteering is their first care while they sell the charade to the masses.
@@AlienLivesMatter I see it more as companies trying not to make being greener troublesome I reckon.
The idea isn't to shuffle the pollution around, although that may be happening. It's to make sure that companies aren't externalizing the costs of pollution, i.e. as long as it cost them nothing to fix, it's somebody else's problem.
Ideally the as market for offsets tightens, offsets become more expensive than fixing the pollution and we just fix the problem.
@@dandesloover5541 Shuffle the 'perception of being polluting' somewhere else, is more what I meant, hide it by talking about carbon offsetting. I vaguely think 'we're doomed', but hopefully you are right. :-)
@@timothydraper6626 I hope I'm right too.