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Ram is suing you??? Why?? You’re giving your honest opinion. I agree with you 100%. I work at a dodge, Jeep dealership and a lot of the Jeeps that come through with that 2.4 multi-air engine are JUNK!!!! Not to mention all of the GR8 battery tests that we have to warranty because the vehicle is ruining batteries as a result of not having the latest firmware and software updates
My dad watched your channel religiously, but sadly passed away recently. I'll try to continue watching your show in his honor. Keep up the good work, Scotty!
re: "Here's Why Ram Is Suing Me" - 1. Went through Video to find out what court of law Scotty is being sued in. 2. Sued for "slander" or for "telling the truth?"
@@Maples01 f-jokebiden and the entire JokeBiden crime family. The JokeBiden administration is completely incompetent as well. This potato has to go! The democrats are being controlled by the radical left and the whole country is suffering because of the failed leadership. F-JokeBiden! The country needs Orange Man Rad 2024 to clean this mess up.
In South America too! They used to build it in Brazil, but no more as it couldn’t keep up with competition and it bankrupted owners! It’s an actual POC!
When I left for college in 1984, my dad’s send off advice to have a successful life: 1) be a gentleman to the ladies 2) treat your elders with respect 3) don’t be a bigot 4) never buy a Chrysler
The 2.4 Tigershark is a former Chrysler Global engine started during the DC era and jointly with Chrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi. It was updated with Fiat MultiAir tech. It is not a Fiat engine.
Hey Scotty, I posted on your website about this time of engine. My ex"s jeep renegade with 60k miles burnt a quart of oil every 800 miles, so by the time it needed an oil change there was going to be no oil left. After a few attempts with the dealer, they ended up replacing the engine. What a quality Chrysler has..
We drove RAM ProMasters at a company I worked for years ago and they were the junkiest piles of junk! The sliding doors were junk, the locking mechanisms were junk, the automatic window buttons were junk… you could actually watch the vehicle fall apart in slow motion if you drove it long enough!
LOL "ProMasters" even the name sounds something like "Super pro plus plus extra speed" who the hell comes up with these names, especially when the product is nothing like pro or PROFESSIONAL that it should be if you just look at the name. Oops better not give them any ideas for future names 😂
My company has one with the 3.6 V6 with 154,000 miles and it runs pretty good. The transmission is really shitty and it's the slowest thing I've ever driven, but it runs good. It's really really really bad in the snow too 😂
several of the people i work with drive these, and they don't hold up. I had a GM cargo van that made it to 370k on the original engine without oil burning. went thru transmissions and axles, but the engine works perfectly.
I ran a pro master city to 95k cost me just under a grand in unexpected repairs. Not bad did not buy another because it was just to small for my needs .
My company leased a few hundred of those across the US. Most of the Promaster city’s at my office spent more time in the shop getting fixed. The repair bills were so high that the company refuses to use those anymore
Really interesting, In Turkey, this cars know as Fiat Doblo (Cargo-combo etc.) Peoples are buying it because of service and operating expenses low. You can find their parts where ever you go. You can find lots of mechanic guy who knows the car(actually every mechanics) and their parts are cheap. One is Fiat Doblo(most of bakers use it/bakers trolley) another is Ford Transit, Courier etc. They are using these cars in any road without thinking like a garbage. if you see one of them probably it will be more than 300-400k km and they used in heavy conditions. They don't care much just drive'n go, and it works
The Fiat version never had that "Fiat made" 2.4 Multiair engine in Europe, the cargo versions are almost always diesels. But they hold up pretty well. I mean they get beaten up and after 7-8 years the doors no longer slide open fluently, and the turbo is making noise because these are see 0 love, respect and service but that's how it goes they're cheap that's why people buy them. Also why would you waste your money on a Toyota when you know how they look like in a few years and to be honest the Toyotas here no longer carry that durable-90's-camry spirit.
My company has 7 of these vans. All with over 125,000 on them. The one I drive has 138,000. Oil changed every 5000. Front suspension is the first thing of significance to break at about 100,000. We are waiting to see when they start to crop out.
I'm surprised the suspension gave out in any significant way at 100k miles, should just need struts at that point. Compared to the transit connect, the handling is floppy and disconnected
I think as a whole fleet, we're way past peak of how long cars will last. GDI and all this technology, cars getting totalled with airbags deployed at any point in their life.....Quality of GM/Dodge etc....bah, I just bought my 1st new car ever. A camry TRD.
2:02 Loose piston rings are not anti-pollution, it's so the engine has less resistance and gets better gas mileage. Ironically, the burning oil causes more pollution. Good video 👍
I used to work at a Chrysler dealership. Every time we checked the oil on a car with the 2.4 multi-air the dipstick was bone dry. So we started putting in another half a quart in more than what was needed. Also these engines get so hot all of the plastic covers warp.
I've kept my City too long!! it's gotten worse so my dealer had my open a 'good will case' with corporate... I'm shopping (outside the brand) in the mean time!
A half a quart every 4K miles today is totally unacceptable. My Ram 1500 Hemi has 153k on the clock and burns zero oil during its 7500-mile oil change intervals. I’d drop that little turd bucket off where they got it and move on.
I bought a camry 07 with 106k miles. at 126k now. replaced valve cover gasket. repaired powersteering hose. other that that no problem. dash melts in summer. Joseph is the quality still there today?
@@markdamstra you're getting overheard that's stuff the people don't wanna hear, but if something breaks on a fiat like a window switch they're like "lOoK tHat'S LoW qUalItY rIGhT tHeRe".
At the Fedex yard I work at, we had a Promaster 3500. It was replaced in less than a year. The engine left us stranded twice out of cell service (Montana) because of a stupid sensor that is only there for efficiency. We only put 10000 miles on it. We swapped it out for a ford transit 3500 and while it also sucks it is a significant upgrade from the Ram. Sadly the sprinter style vans don't have any good options on the market. They are all made like garbage. The fords are probably the best but they are built only for pavement city driving. The suspension can't handle dirt roads and the engine and transmission are extremely weak. The body is also built like crap. Every door latch broke during the first year. Atleast they are easy and cheap to get fixed for that sort of thing.
Hey Scotty,greetings from Turkey, seems like you guys drew the short straw.I'm not gonna pretend these Fiat Doblós(Ram Promaster to you guys) built like a Toyota(and we also build Corollas here ;) ) its still not that unreliable when its paired with 1.6 Multijet Diesel engines(1.3s also unreliable),while we dont get the 2.4 multiair we have 1.4 and 1.6 multiair engines in bunch of fiats and you are %100 right,multiair = trouble
All Commercial vehicle are done by Tofas in turkey ( plus Fiat Agea / Tipo ) and a Joint Venture called Filtopeci ( Fiat - PSA - Tofas ) that predates Stellantis ... those are born with a diesel engine in mind or 1.4 LPG and trust me ... never seen 2.4 here ( plus taxes are very high here ... Italy ) and the diesel ones are very tough stuff ... 1.6 is garbage also on cars ... i miss the old 1.9 jtd ... try to kill them
@@fabioisgro yup just like you said,for some reason gasoline engines of this platform and small disp. fca engines in general all are moneypits.Those old 1.9JTDs were the beasts
Scotty what we have here is a failure to communicate, low friction piston rings allow manufactures to meet the absurd MPG standards (burning oil must be environmentally responsible LOL). The FCA equation is to except the warranty cost of the design or pay a penalty on EVERY vehicle built for failure to meet the government standard. Building a quality vehicle was not in the design parameter.
Why do they need all that when 4cyl carbureted engines were getting the same if not better MPG? 40+ years ago youd think MPG would increase as technology advances
@@TheHorselemonade planned obsolescence my friend, make these cars absurdity complex to discourage DIY repairs. If my 2020 corolla go in a front end minor fender bender, most likely be totalled as all this extra safe computer crap is right there.... Make them cheap, impossible to repair at intermediate levels repairs, Mark them up and ship them. Compared to my 98 camry this new Rolla is a tin can toy. What's the point of all the safety crap if this new tin can can't withstand a minor head on collision
I'm a greenie environmental type, and Scotty is dead right about the carbon offset scam, the point is to be green by minimising how much carbon one produces at source, or else it's simply shuffling the matter onto somebody else's company profile (in a manner of speaking).
It's a corporate fascist mechanism. An opportunity for political donors to look green Profiteering is their first care while they sell the charade to the masses.
The idea isn't to shuffle the pollution around, although that may be happening. It's to make sure that companies aren't externalizing the costs of pollution, i.e. as long as it cost them nothing to fix, it's somebody else's problem. Ideally the as market for offsets tightens, offsets become more expensive than fixing the pollution and we just fix the problem.
@@dandesloover5541 Shuffle the 'perception of being polluting' somewhere else, is more what I meant, hide it by talking about carbon offsetting. I vaguely think 'we're doomed', but hopefully you are right. :-)
I'm slowly working my way through every single Scotty Kilmer video, starting from 14 years ago. My goal is to soak up Scotty's car know-how. Hopefully this is the way to do it. 😂
The best way is to use your computer in your bedroom. Put on your headphones and think positive as you go to sleep. You can go from episode 1 all the way to episode 4843. It might take a couple weeks to work your way through them but you won't have wasted any of your regular time. Best way to get all of Scotty's knowledge of cars!
@@davecrupel2817 I expect to be like a Eyetalian girl friend. Temper + mental, dramatic and needs lots of attention and war paint. But also high performance on those rare occasions when she is satisfied.
I recommend that if you buy a new car or truck that you drain the oil immediately. Do this several times. Most manufacturers leave metal shavings in the cylinders. Yes. They do not clean the engine before assembly.
It's funny because the 2.4l Tigershark is a Hyundai-built engine build under the World Engine moniker. The engine is really chattery and they are obnoxiously loud. The engine itself though, will last a very long time. You will replace the air intake plenum, but that's easy and cheap to do. I've seen these engines go 300K in Avengers.
Scotty back in the 70's I drove Fiat 124. It looked great and it burned oil greatly. It went through a quart of oil every 3k miles, so I guess they are improving their "quality".🤭 Same old Fiat.
The 2.4L "Tigershark" also has a TSB to reduce oil consumption by changing some parameters in the engine to prevent it from sucking in oil...essentially too high of vacuum on the combustion cycle. Yes, they idle like diesel's and the ZF 9 speed is in tons of Jeep's & Honda's as well as that RAM Promaster...nothing 'special' about it in that Promaster.
Scotty needs to be made U.S. Secretary of Auto Quality, the USA would regain the world leadership in Auto manufacturing. Imagine, what that would do for our economy.
I own a 2000 dodge 1500 cargo van, bought in cero miles on 2001, now has close to 400.000 miles. Since the very first day a bought it burns about 1 qr of motor oil every other month. Replace transmission two times. Engine still is the original one that came on van from factory.
Yeah I have a Dodge sprinter with a 3.0 crd diesel for a lawn buisness and that thing keeps going and going. I use it for junk removal and moving jobs as well lol
I dream of only adding half a quart every 4000 miles. I have a 2004 Rav4 with the infamous 2.4L. I know, Scottie warned us about this but he said the problem was primarily with the US built engines and I made sure my car was built in Japan. Didn't help. I'm currently burning a quart every 1000 miles. Now just waiting for the catalytic converter to clog up
I have 2006 RAV4, and I put a used engine from Japan with around 60,000 miles in it and now it burns zero oil. I would recommend you do the same. Beats buying a new car.
@@markseay4930 No, not junkyard. Buy used JDM engines directly from Japan. They send them packaged to your home. It cost around $900 engine plus $250 shipping, at least it did in August 2020. The price varies though for engines. The engines are low mileage and look very good because in Japan they don’t drive long distances and have very strict emission laws.
Maybe try 10w 40 oil? That said as long as it is full of oil all the time if the motor blows up on a lease vehicle it’s not your problem. Call the dealer and tell them their car is broke. Or as we used to say about oil burner cars, fill the oil and check the gas.
Sorry Scotty, Toyota has the same issues. Several years ago, I had an 4 cylinder 2007 Camry that Toyota had an "warranty enhancement" where as if it failed an "oil consumption test", they would rebuild the motor. Mine failed miserably.
Yeah that's how it sounds. :) Ive owned this van for 3 years. Other than burning some oil the van has been great. I test drove all three small vans in the US market in 2018, Ford, Nissan and Ram. Hands down the Ram was the easy choice at the time for me.. it drove the best, was the most comfortable/functional and the trade deal I got from Ram (for my truck) was hands down too good to turn down. last month I took it in to do the dealer and am currently doing their consumption test. They told me if it fails they will swap the engine, not repair it. Now that Ram is no longer Chrysler, but rather Stelantis the parent to a bunch of EV vans in this segment in Europe - I was hoping the Promaster city would eventually be replaced by the electric Opel, Peugeot or Citroen now under Stelantis. The Right thing for Ram to do is offer a buy back or credit program instead of an engine swap. Anyways i've so customized the van I'm stuck with it and likely gonna run it into the ground.
A rebadged vehicle is nothing we haven’t seen before, the ford festiva was a rebadged Mazda, sometimes it’s cheaper to buy the rights to a car and slap your name on it rather than spending a few million on a new design but at the same time it’s nice to know what your driving is actually American or foreign
It always baffles me when companies state they are anti-pollution and then do absolutely nothing with in regards to the amount the amount of plastic that's designed in and manufactured.
My company offered the Ram starting in 2016. Our main issue was overheating in traffic. It got so bad that Ram ran out of parts. They worked a deal where the whole fleet was swapped out after 2 years instead of the usual 6. I paid extra for the Ford Transit Connect and had no issues.
I had a Ram Van, a Nissan MV, and a Ford Transit. The Transit lost 2nd gear because Ford says you don't have to change the transmission fluid . The leasing company junked the van. The Ram van had all kinds of engine problems. The Nissian was pretty good but too small. The company I worked for gave up and switched to full size pickups trucks.
Last time I had contact with Italians (whom I worked for) after returning from Italy, I was told everyone but the elderly drive manual transmissions. Automatics were not seen as we see them here. That may explain why the problem with Italian automatics.
I have a 2016 model I bought it from a business. It has 170k miles, still burns some oil but really not that bad, I change every 4k. Your absolutely right it sounds like a diesel, I'm surprised you like the 9 speed transmission, mine gets steady 21 mpg, it used to get 28??
@@leadnsteel1428 Well I have zero engine lights on at the moment. I was driving up a mountain, the tranny was hanging in gear, it three two transmission codes. I looked up the codes and the symptoms and found a TSB so I brought it to the dealer and asked if they could follow the TSB and reprogram the transmission as stated? They told me they would have to check everything and wouldn't just follow the TSB which was a .2 hr repair. Since the codes it killed my mpg. I need to find another dealer.
I parked my 2003 Jeep Liberty with 225k mi next to one of these today at 7-11 and was shocked by the valve train noise on that RAM lol I was like wtf my 3.7l burns a quart of oil every 4 fillups but runs smooth and quiet comparatively.
Scotty you're doing good by being brutally honest this world is going down the toilet because they don't like honesty. Anyone who doesn't like honesty will assume face their creator who made it a law the Ninth commandment.
And buddy, when all is said and done, look out! our MAKER is gonna have the LAST WORD. As for me, I'd rather fear the LORD than be brought to true Holy, Justice!🙏
Keep putting those videos out Scotty! All big business wants to make this cheap foreign made crap and sell it for big bucks in the states! Food is the next industry to be the victim of foreign made products to come into the states!
Surprise! We have already seen canned vegetables made in China! The cans appeared very well made & labeled though.We have also bought foods made in Vietnam at Costco as well that tasted very good too.
@@smurfweed8513 I am not saying that all foreign cars are bad! I suppose the issue I have are the American cars that are foreign made and are passed off as American made. I would much rather buy a Honda Accord made in Marysville Ohio. The last Chrysler I bought was a1979 Dodge van.
Scotty. I own ram pro master city and the dealer actually changed the engine for free after it fails the oil consumption test. If you own this vehicle please go and run the test . You probably end up with new engine. Mine was around 130k miles when they changed my engine. No cost to me
they allowed you to do a consumption test at 130k and replaced the engine!? mine has 105k and corporate is not saying yes to me just yet... claiming out of warranty but my dealer told me to contact them for a good will case...
@@haou129 yep yep, mine is a 2018! I have a case manager at Chrysler corporate and no one has mentioned any continuing recalls. the only one is the oil-consumption issue that still continues even though it "passed" at the dealer.... BUT... there was no documentation on the level at which it came in and how much they had to replace during the evaluation period...
@@haou129 what dealer did you go to? my current dealer, Herb Chambers Ram Dodge Jeep, is not helping me... I bought the van there and they have done ALL oil changes since new and I have 105K miles... maybe I should try yours if you are in the New England area OR give them a call to see if they can suggest another dealer I should try!
I live near the walkway to the school my boys attend. Many parents drive to get their kids and I can always hear a Chrysler coming before I can see it.
Hi Scotty...it's me on my wife's I pad again lol...all the way from Wasaga Beach Ontario Canada...I forgot to mention that my wife drives the 2021Tacoma and I drive a 2006 Chevy Silverado 2wheel drive pickup truck....it used to be a gas company vehicle here in Canada...it's a fully loaded truck for 2006 and I drive it daily....the ac still works....413thousand kilometers....doesn't leak a drop of oil or use any...4.8 engine...I love the truck...it's an extended cab....not sure how much longer the body will last lol....getting pretty tough...anyway I thought I would share with you....
@@nancycarlucci1983 because "Fully loaded" means all the available features are included. Like hand cranks are not "fully loaded", also cloth seats instead of leather. To be a "fully loaded" model would mean 4WD if available on your model, would be included. Fleet vehicles are universally not "fully loaded". So I'm not sure of your use of that term. What do you think it means????
I have been saying this for years now end goal is to end ownership and turn everything into service/lease, go to home depot, appliances, hvac, lghting, advanced tools... almost everything can be networked is app controled and has premium sub features, land and homes are being bought by corporations minute they are up for sale, cars are already remote toys lane depart, auto start stop auto parking means you have no control over your car (famous jeep hacking video shows that clearly)
The gearing gives fantastic acceleration even when the vehicle is loaded down, and the top gear is really high, gives really fantastic gas mileage at highway speeds. I saw a video on how these transmissions are designed and put together. Those German engineers must be produced on CNC machines.
I work in the major components dept of a major fleet management company, and these are total garbage. I processed 3 engines and 4 transmissions on these just this week alone. The larger Promaster is even worse .... run like the wind straight away from Chrysler's garbage...
This video being right on time is an understatement. I was actually close to buying a 2018 Ram ProMaster City yesterday. However, the Ford is too small, and the Nissan nv200 has its own problems. I have no idea which one to get
I have a 2017 as my daily driver. 35k on the odometer with no oil consumption or other problems yet. Knock on wood, but I’m happy with it and believe it’s better than the Ford or Nissan. I’m sticking with it until it starts causing me problems then I’ll trade it in and probably get another one.
I have a '17 Promaster City and it's been a good van so far. The 2.4 Tigershark engine hasn't had any issues. Connected to a 9spd transmission that allows good acceleration. Yes, it's a Fiat Doblo. The engine is assembled in Turkey and shipped to the US. The engine has to be warmed up before driving and the gauges are hard to read when driving, otherwise, I would still buy it again.
think outside the box (literally!). my PromasterCity has 105k miles and currently have an open case with corporate for an engine replacement for all these reasons Scotty is talking about
I work at a parts store, every time someone calls for parts on a 2011+ “Dodge Ram” I want to scream and hang up. “I need a fuel filter for my 2017 DODGE Ram”. No you need a fuel filter for your FIAT RAM!
The noise from the engine isn’t because it’s cheap or worn out. That’s coming from the multi air brick, which has electronic solenoids controlling the intake valves. What you’re hearing is those solenoids
I got this beat! Between burning oil and the oil leaks from the valve cover gasket My little 1996 Nissan truck with it's little 2.4 liter engine loses oil at a rate of 1 Qt for every 1500 miles.
It seems to me that back in the day (once upon a time) that an engine burning a quart every thousand wasn't considered terrible, this is doing eight times better. The dealer is probably using the recommended 0W20 synthetic, that might be the problem, mayB using say 5W20 or worse yet 5W30 just might improve that number, I don't think these 'thick' oils would compromise the VVT too much. Dealers don't get much back up from the head house anyhows so they will say no for as long as they can get away with it and remember when they do a warranty repair they don't get much from the factory, mayB coffee money plus parts. hell, this is a leased car, oil is cheap, throw a pint in and run it till the lease is over. Keep your records proving you took it to the dealer in case the engine is 'damaged' so there is no end of lease hassle.
Hello Scotty, hi from Turkey. In here gasoline 2.4 engine is not for sale. People buy diesel only , because of the gas Prices became ridiculus.1.6 diesel is pretty relieable and torquey little engines.Keep up the good work 😊👍
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Why?
Scotty what 2022 utility
Cargo van do you recommend?
Hey Scotty can you do a review on the Dodge Dart? 2013-16?
Ram is suing you??? Why?? You’re giving your honest opinion. I agree with you 100%. I work at a dodge, Jeep dealership and a lot of the Jeeps that come through with that 2.4 multi-air engine are JUNK!!!! Not to mention all of the GR8 battery tests that we have to warranty because the vehicle is ruining batteries as a result of not having the latest firmware and software updates
That thing loses in literally every single metric against my 2004 Mazda MPV GT that I picked up for $2,000 CAD or about $1500 USD.. rofl.
My dad watched your channel religiously, but sadly passed away recently. I'll try to continue watching your show in his honor. Keep up the good work, Scotty!
Sorry for your loss
Lost my dad 11 yrs ago. It gets better man
Sorry for your lost
God bless him
My condolence.
we must protect this man at all costs
You know you’re doing something right when they try to shut you down 😌
so when my mom is trying to shut me down I’m doing something right?
@@BmwMe-uh9sy yes keep it up😂
Yup it’s a skip with wheels😂😂
Actually the European Fiat version with smaller diesel and gas engines are pretty decent.
@@MrSparklespring A FixItAgainToni vehicle is hardly ever decent, EXEPT a few which weren't lemons 😂😂
re: "Here's Why Ram Is Suing Me" - 1. Went through Video to find out what court of law Scotty is being sued in. 2. Sued for "slander" or for "telling the truth?"
Truth and common sense are illegal in a democrat controlled world
Did you try Stellantis?
@@Maples01 f-jokebiden and the entire JokeBiden crime family. The JokeBiden administration is completely incompetent as well. This potato has to go! The democrats are being controlled by the radical left and the whole country is suffering because of the failed leadership. F-JokeBiden! The country needs Orange Man Rad 2024 to clean this mess up.
Everyone in Europe and Asia knows that this is a rebadged Fiat Doblo.
Trueeeeeeeee
Diablo)))
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In South America too! They used to build it in Brazil, but no more as it couldn’t keep up with competition and it bankrupted owners! It’s an actual POC!
@Eurasian Lynx 1.4 loves eating oil too. Fiat is really good in diesel. 1.9 TDI is really good.
When I left for college in 1984, my dad’s send off advice to have a successful life:
1) be a gentleman to the ladies
2) treat your elders with respect
3) don’t be a bigot
4) never buy a Chrysler
Bad advice these days
@@x-man4702 still good advice get off of tic tok and Sneako and Andrew Tate
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You dad is not two smart
@@ecogarden8353. He taught me proper grammar and spelling, too.
Thank you Scotty for being brutally honest.
The headline is not even honest! He is not being sued. Brutally honest lol. Good grief.
@@tonypeterson5880 what do you know
@@DA_BEAMERRRR Watch your mouth slappy.
@@tonypeterson5880 keyboard warrior much?
@@tonypeterson5880 lol
The 2.4 Tigershark is a former Chrysler Global engine started during the DC era and jointly with Chrysler, Hyundai, and Mitsubishi. It was updated with Fiat MultiAir tech. It is not a Fiat engine.
Glad Scotty is out there spreading the Truth about autos and the industry!
Hey Paul!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year my friend!
Hey Scotty, I posted on your website about this time of engine. My ex"s jeep renegade with 60k miles burnt a quart of oil every 800 miles, so by the time it needed an oil change there was going to be no oil left. After a few attempts with the dealer, they ended up replacing the engine. What a quality Chrysler has..
Jeep Renegade are made in Italy basically a Fiat as well...
@@LOOSEbowelz which is hilarious given the price tag of the Jeep.
We drove RAM ProMasters at a company I worked for years ago and they were the junkiest piles of junk! The sliding doors were junk, the locking mechanisms were junk, the automatic window buttons were junk… you could actually watch the vehicle fall apart in slow motion if you drove it long enough!
LOL "ProMasters" even the name sounds something like "Super pro plus plus extra speed" who the hell comes up with these names, especially when the product is nothing like pro or PROFESSIONAL that it should be if you just look at the name. Oops better not give them any ideas for future names 😂
Slow motion my foot!
My company has one with the 3.6 V6 with 154,000 miles and it runs pretty good. The transmission is really shitty and it's the slowest thing I've ever driven, but it runs good. It's really really really bad in the snow too 😂
several of the people i work with drive these, and they don't hold up. I had a GM cargo van that made it to 370k on the original engine without oil burning. went thru transmissions and axles, but the engine works perfectly.
I ran a pro master city to 95k cost me just under a grand in unexpected repairs. Not bad did not buy another because it was just to small for my needs .
My company leased a few hundred of those across the US. Most of the Promaster city’s at my office spent more time in the shop getting fixed. The repair bills were so high that the company refuses to use those anymore
My town adopted them, and one of them is already crunched where the sliding doors are.
Great new car...
Really interesting, In Turkey, this cars know as Fiat Doblo (Cargo-combo etc.) Peoples are buying it because of service and operating expenses low. You can find their parts where ever you go. You can find lots of mechanic guy who knows the car(actually every mechanics) and their parts are cheap. One is Fiat Doblo(most of bakers use it/bakers trolley) another is Ford Transit, Courier etc. They are using these cars in any road without thinking like a garbage. if you see one of them probably it will be more than 300-400k km and they used in heavy conditions. They don't care much just drive'n go, and it works
The Fiat version never had that "Fiat made" 2.4 Multiair engine in Europe, the cargo versions are almost always diesels. But they hold up pretty well. I mean they get beaten up and after 7-8 years the doors no longer slide open fluently, and the turbo is making noise because these are see 0 love, respect and service but that's how it goes they're cheap that's why people buy them.
Also why would you waste your money on a Toyota when you know how they look like in a few years and to be honest the Toyotas here no longer carry that durable-90's-camry spirit.
My company was supposed to ditch these because of reliability. Somehow their still using them. Seat is ungodly uncomfortable and it's a piece of junk.
@@noobie1890 what do you mean by "crunched" ?
My company has 7 of these vans. All with over 125,000 on them. The one I drive has 138,000. Oil changed every 5000. Front suspension is the first thing of significance to break at about 100,000. We are waiting to see when they start to crop out.
I'm surprised the suspension gave out in any significant way at 100k miles, should just need struts at that point. Compared to the transit connect, the handling is floppy and disconnected
Sometimes I wonder if we're actually moving backwards when it comes to some vehicle tech these days 🤔
I think as a whole fleet, we're way past peak of how long cars will last. GDI and all this technology, cars getting totalled with airbags deployed at any point in their life.....Quality of GM/Dodge etc....bah, I just bought my 1st new car ever. A camry TRD.
I sometimes think they do it on purpose to fatten their pockets and not all people research before buying
@@mikel2887 I was looking into a camry trd. Naturally aspirated v6 right? And not a cvt?
Tech no, quality, never been worse.
@@nnon_existantt yes, 3.5L V6 no turbo and 8 speed auto trans
2:02 Loose piston rings are not anti-pollution, it's so the engine has less resistance and gets better gas mileage. Ironically, the burning oil causes more pollution.
Good video 👍
All those 2.4L engines that are tigershark engines have a recall for burning oil
Then the burnt oil clogs the catalytic converter..
"Oh, these engines. They do that."
Their reason/explanation/solution is the same as the complaint, only worded differently.
😂😂😂
I used to work at a Chrysler dealership. Every time we checked the oil on a car with the 2.4 multi-air the dipstick was bone dry. So we started putting in another half a quart in more than what was needed. Also these engines get so hot all of the plastic covers warp.
I've kept my City too long!! it's gotten worse so my dealer had my open a 'good will case' with corporate... I'm shopping (outside the brand) in the mean time!
I had a car made by Chrysler once in my life and I promized myself I would never, never, never buy another car by this manufacturer.
Well thank god this isn't made by Chrysler!
Scotty please talk about the Toyota remote start subscription please!
I never thought Toyota will be milking it's customers.
I was forced to drive one of those early 2000's mini Ram vans & each & every rear door latch were broken 🤬🤬🤬
A half a quart every 4K miles today is totally unacceptable. My Ram 1500 Hemi has 153k on the clock and burns zero oil during its 7500-mile oil change intervals. I’d drop that little turd bucket off where they got it and move on.
You nailed it Scotty! As a Toyota tech I'm baffled that these cars are allowed on the road and pass quality tests. 🤦♂️
Hope they are quiet
I bought a camry 07 with 106k miles. at 126k now. replaced valve cover gasket. repaired powersteering hose. other that that no problem. dash melts in summer. Joseph is the quality still there today?
@@busman7228 Quite.
It's allowed. Not Aloud.
Sorry 😞 I just watched Alonzo.
@@markdamstra you're getting overheard that's stuff the people don't wanna hear, but if something breaks on a fiat like a window switch they're like "lOoK tHat'S LoW qUalItY rIGhT tHeRe".
At the Fedex yard I work at, we had a Promaster 3500. It was replaced in less than a year. The engine left us stranded twice out of cell service (Montana) because of a stupid sensor that is only there for efficiency. We only put 10000 miles on it. We swapped it out for a ford transit 3500 and while it also sucks it is a significant upgrade from the Ram. Sadly the sprinter style vans don't have any good options on the market. They are all made like garbage. The fords are probably the best but they are built only for pavement city driving. The suspension can't handle dirt roads and the engine and transmission are extremely weak. The body is also built like crap. Every door latch broke during the first year. Atleast they are easy and cheap to get fixed for that sort of thing.
The unibody vans are the worst thing ever put on the market. Makes me regret complaining about the E-350’s and Chevy express vans
@@garrisonthompson4453 Those old chevy vans were annoying but atleast they worked. At the fedex yard I work at we have like 6 of them and 3 savanah's.
GM needs to bring over the opel mavano.
Now you know why I bought a Tacoma and a Kimbo truck camper! 🤣🖖
@@benjones8977 Tacoma's have their own issues. Just hope you bought the good one.
Hey Scotty,greetings from Turkey, seems like you guys drew the short straw.I'm not gonna pretend these Fiat Doblós(Ram Promaster to you guys) built like a Toyota(and we also build Corollas here ;) ) its still not that unreliable when its paired with 1.6 Multijet Diesel engines(1.3s also unreliable),while we dont get the 2.4 multiair we have 1.4 and 1.6 multiair engines in bunch of fiats and you are %100 right,multiair = trouble
i heard ford build transit connects in turkey like the fiesta based ones and ship them here for final assembly.
All Commercial vehicle are done by Tofas in turkey ( plus Fiat Agea / Tipo ) and a Joint Venture called Filtopeci ( Fiat - PSA - Tofas ) that predates Stellantis ... those are born with a diesel engine in mind or 1.4 LPG and trust me ... never seen 2.4 here ( plus taxes are very high here ... Italy ) and the diesel ones are very tough stuff ... 1.6 is garbage also on cars ... i miss the old 1.9 jtd ... try to kill them
Hey turkey, just wanna pass by and say hi!🙋♂️🇺🇸🇮🇱
@@invaderzim1265 hey😁🙋♂️
@@fabioisgro yup just like you said,for some reason gasoline engines of this platform and small disp. fca engines in general all are moneypits.Those old 1.9JTDs were the beasts
Scotty what we have here is a failure to communicate, low friction piston rings allow manufactures to meet the absurd MPG standards (burning oil must be environmentally responsible LOL). The FCA equation is to except the warranty cost of the design or pay a penalty on EVERY vehicle built for failure to meet the government standard. Building a quality vehicle was not in the design parameter.
Exactly. Thats how you get what we have here today. Which is the way the car companies want
You gotta get your mind right Luke 🤣😆👍
*Cool Hand Luke* that's a Classic!
Why do they need all that when 4cyl carbureted engines were getting the same if not better MPG? 40+ years ago youd think MPG would increase as technology advances
@@TheHorselemonade planned obsolescence my friend, make these cars absurdity complex to discourage DIY repairs. If my 2020 corolla go in a front end minor fender bender, most likely be totalled as all this extra safe computer crap is right there.... Make them cheap, impossible to repair at intermediate levels repairs, Mark them up and ship them. Compared to my 98 camry this new Rolla is a tin can toy. What's the point of all the safety crap if this new tin can can't withstand a minor head on collision
It's a shame how Chrysler has gone down hill more so than ever. Give me an old Dodge slant 6 push button automatic.
Give me Dodge Spirit or Intrepid
The slant six was a truly great engine.
Instead of putting all the blame on Chrysler for using carbon credits, let's blame the political parties who created this stupid game.
Trying to save earth, the only planet in the whole universe in which humans can live on, is never a game, it is the most valuable necessity ‼️
Scotty we appreciate your honesty. Fiats are junk and they've made Chrysler worse. At least someone has the guts to tell the truth!! 👍
"Fiats are junk", how do you explain they are still in business after 123 years... ???
I'm a greenie environmental type, and Scotty is dead right about the carbon offset scam, the point is to be green by minimising how much carbon one produces at source, or else it's simply shuffling the matter onto somebody else's company profile (in a manner of speaking).
It's a corporate fascist mechanism. An opportunity for political donors to look green
Profiteering is their first care while they sell the charade to the masses.
@@AlienLivesMatter I see it more as companies trying not to make being greener troublesome I reckon.
The idea isn't to shuffle the pollution around, although that may be happening. It's to make sure that companies aren't externalizing the costs of pollution, i.e. as long as it cost them nothing to fix, it's somebody else's problem.
Ideally the as market for offsets tightens, offsets become more expensive than fixing the pollution and we just fix the problem.
@@dandesloover5541 Shuffle the 'perception of being polluting' somewhere else, is more what I meant, hide it by talking about carbon offsetting. I vaguely think 'we're doomed', but hopefully you are right. :-)
@@timothydraper6626 I hope I'm right too.
That Ram van will go 250,000 miles, once you hook it up to a Clydesdale after the engine quits.
With our thoroughbreds you might have some speeding tickets.😄
"Rams are rolling piles of junk!"-Scotty 😂
The 3.6 Promaster vans are supposed to be alot better... those mini ones are crap
"Does the prosecution have any evidence to submit?"
"RAM."
"Duly noted. Case dismissed."
Lmaooo
I'm slowly working my way through every single Scotty Kilmer video, starting from 14 years ago. My goal is to soak up Scotty's car know-how. Hopefully this is the way to do it. 😂
I have seen every scottie video. I know what he is going to say before he says it. He is leaving a tremendous legacy of knowledge.
Same here!
The best way is to use your computer in your bedroom. Put on your headphones and think positive as you go to sleep. You can go from episode 1 all the way to episode 4843. It might take a couple weeks to work your way through them but you won't have wasted any of your regular time. Best way to get all of Scotty's knowledge of cars!
Me too bro💯
50+ years of knowledge, wow
@@tiraypaige2859 Or one year of knowledge repeated 50 times (an old accountants joke).
What ever happened to our "consumer protection" agency in this country?
I suppose it's gone to hell with the rest of our government.
Just when you thought he's done dissing Fiat, he blurts: "Italian transmissions are garbage."
Itas true though... It's why I'll never, ever buy an Alfa Romeo again. Love the design but the transmission....
@@TheDaeroner It's Italian, dude.
What did you expect?
Fragile Instantly Aging Transmissions
Fragile (pronounced: Fra-Gee-Lay) It must be Italian.
@@davecrupel2817 I expect to be like a Eyetalian girl friend.
Temper + mental, dramatic and needs lots of attention and war paint.
But also high performance on those rare occasions when she is satisfied.
I recommend that if you buy a new car or truck that you drain the oil immediately. Do this several times. Most manufacturers leave metal shavings in the cylinders. Yes. They do not clean the engine before assembly.
It is designed for oil that goes past the rings to lubricate the muffler bearings ....realty simple, but brilliant
I thought all the new Muffler Bearings came with Lifetime Grease ??
@@jayhockley8841 They do. Lifetime = 6 months.
I guess that's why my PromasterCity doesn't seem to have any exhaust leaks here in New England!
It's funny because the 2.4l Tigershark is a Hyundai-built engine build under the World Engine moniker. The engine is really chattery and they are obnoxiously loud. The engine itself though, will last a very long time. You will replace the air intake plenum, but that's easy and cheap to do. I've seen these engines go 300K in Avengers.
Scotty back in the 70's I drove Fiat 124. It looked great and it burned oil greatly. It went through a quart of oil every 3k
miles, so I guess they are improving their "quality".🤭
Same old Fiat.
I had a 1975 Fiat 124 Sports coupe. Awesome car...
I had a '10 charger hemi that used oil for the first 10-15000 miles slowly. After that it was one of the best engines our company ever had. Weird.
My first car was an 04 Fiat Punto which was scrapped at 62K MILES, run for the hills indeed with FIAT!
The 2.4L "Tigershark" also has a TSB to reduce oil consumption by changing some parameters in the engine to prevent it from sucking in oil...essentially too high of vacuum on the combustion cycle. Yes, they idle like diesel's and the ZF 9 speed is in tons of Jeep's & Honda's as well as that RAM Promaster...nothing 'special' about it in that Promaster.
I just saw you leaving Walgreens! You are a legend🙋🏻♀️
Scotty needs to be made U.S. Secretary of Auto Quality, the USA would regain the world leadership in Auto manufacturing. Imagine, what that would do for our economy.
I own a 2000 dodge 1500 cargo van, bought in cero miles on 2001, now has close to 400.000 miles.
Since the very first day a bought it burns about 1 qr of motor oil every other month.
Replace transmission two times.
Engine still is the original one that came on van from factory.
Yeah I have a Dodge sprinter with a 3.0 crd diesel for a lawn buisness and that thing keeps going and going.
I use it for junk removal and moving jobs as well lol
It’s time for a replacement van
I dream of only adding half a quart every 4000 miles. I have a 2004 Rav4 with the infamous 2.4L.
I know, Scottie warned us about this but he said the problem was primarily with the US built engines and I made sure my car was built in Japan. Didn't help. I'm currently burning a quart every 1000 miles. Now just waiting for the catalytic converter to clog up
I have 2006 RAV4, and I put a used engine from Japan with around 60,000 miles in it and now it burns zero oil. I would recommend you do the same. Beats buying a new car.
Igor Seprak
Did you get it from a junkyard or from the internet. How did you find it?
@@markseay4930
No, not junkyard.
Buy used JDM engines directly from Japan. They send them packaged to your home. It cost around $900 engine plus $250 shipping, at least it did in August 2020. The price varies though for engines. The engines are low mileage and look very good because in Japan they don’t drive long distances and have very strict emission laws.
Because you're honest about their vehicles.
That’s why FIAT stands as Fix it again Tony
Maybe try 10w 40 oil? That said as long as it is full of oil all the time if the motor blows up on a lease vehicle it’s not your problem. Call the dealer and tell them their car is broke. Or as we used to say about oil burner cars, fill the oil and check the gas.
It calls for 0w20. You put in 10w40 and it blows first thing done is an oil sample. It'll show it wasn't 0w20 and any warranty is void.
They should have just branded it a DODGE because that's the name of their warranty policy.
Sorry Scotty, Toyota has the same issues. Several years ago, I had an 4 cylinder 2007 Camry that Toyota had an "warranty enhancement" where as if it failed an "oil consumption test", they would rebuild the motor. Mine failed miserably.
Yeah that's how it sounds. :) Ive owned this van for 3 years. Other than burning some oil the van has been great. I test drove all three small vans in the US market in 2018, Ford, Nissan and Ram. Hands down the Ram was the easy choice at the time for me.. it drove the best, was the most comfortable/functional and the trade deal I got from Ram (for my truck) was hands down too good to turn down. last month I took it in to do the dealer and am currently doing their consumption test. They told me if it fails they will swap the engine, not repair it. Now that Ram is no longer Chrysler, but rather Stelantis the parent to a bunch of EV vans in this segment in Europe - I was hoping the Promaster city would eventually be replaced by the electric Opel, Peugeot or Citroen now under Stelantis. The Right thing for Ram to do is offer a buy back or credit program instead of an engine swap. Anyways i've so customized the van I'm stuck with it and likely gonna run it into the ground.
A rebadged vehicle is nothing we haven’t seen before, the ford festiva was a rebadged Mazda, sometimes it’s cheaper to buy the rights to a car and slap your name on it rather than spending a few million on a new design but at the same time it’s nice to know what your driving is actually American or foreign
Designed by Mazda... but the USA version was built by Kia.
@@bl4558 The plot thickens.
It always baffles me when companies state they are anti-pollution and then do absolutely nothing with in regards to the amount the amount of plastic that's designed in and manufactured.
Need a “top oil burner” competition ! This engine sounds like it’s right up there with audis 2.0T
My company offered the Ram starting in 2016. Our main issue was overheating in traffic. It got so bad that Ram ran out of parts. They worked a deal where the whole fleet was swapped out after 2 years instead of the usual 6. I paid extra for the Ford Transit Connect and had no issues.
This isn't a ram vehicle. It's badged as of ram vehicle. It's not a ram vehicle.
So in an attempt to help the environment they've actually hurt it. Smells corporate to me
we have 45 of them in our fleet, very few issues with them, we also have 10 or so with 125k and still running strong
Scotty hates FCA cars
+220,000 on my own! My biggest maintenance issue so far is needing upper strut mounts.
If I am not mistaken, not only is oil consumption annoying and slightly costly, but it shortens the life of the catalytic converter
I had a Ram Van, a Nissan MV, and a Ford Transit. The Transit lost 2nd gear because Ford says you don't have to change the transmission fluid . The leasing company junked the van. The Ram van had all kinds of engine problems. The Nissian was pretty good but too small. The company I worked for gave up and switched to full size pickups trucks.
"They Tried to Shut Me Down for Telling the Truth" Welcome to the club!
How dare you tell us the truth Scotty.... can't believe you're getting sued. Am so glad I found you on youtube. Have learned so much! Thank you.
The one good thing with Stellantis is, that now you have all the crap cars, vans and trucks in one company. 😂🤣😂
Man you wouldn't hear about the tension on the piston rings in many videos. Scotty is the man!
If they'd stop using plastic piston rings it might help 🤔
Last time I had contact with Italians (whom I worked for) after returning from Italy, I was told everyone but the elderly drive manual transmissions. Automatics were not seen as we see them here. That may explain why the problem with Italian automatics.
I have a 2016 model I bought it from a business. It has 170k miles, still burns some oil but really not that bad, I change every 4k. Your absolutely right it sounds like a diesel, I'm surprised you like the 9 speed transmission, mine gets steady 21 mpg, it used to get 28??
Probably a vacuum leak. .. did you replace PCV valve? Check 02 sensors? Maf sensor?
@@leadnsteel1428 Well I have zero engine lights on at the moment. I was driving up a mountain, the tranny was hanging in gear, it three two transmission codes. I looked up the codes and the symptoms and found a TSB so I brought it to the dealer and asked if they could follow the TSB and reprogram the transmission as stated? They told me they would have to check everything and wouldn't just follow the TSB which was a .2 hr repair. Since the codes it killed my mpg. I need to find another dealer.
@@TepcoCycleRepair Have you changed the filter at 170K should have been done. what's the normal interval now like 80k?
Still waiting for that, "Scotty approved" license plate frame for your merch!!
I parked my 2003 Jeep Liberty with 225k mi next to one of these today at 7-11 and was shocked by the valve train noise on that RAM lol I was like wtf my 3.7l burns a quart of oil every 4 fillups but runs smooth and quiet comparatively.
Wow! I am truly shocked! Plastic valve covers? Plastic this and Plastic that. Oh what a bummer! The really sad thing is the low tension piston rings!!
Scotty you're doing good by being brutally honest this world is going down the toilet because they don't like honesty. Anyone who doesn't like honesty will assume face their creator who made it a law the Ninth commandment.
And buddy, when all is said and done, look out! our MAKER is gonna have the LAST WORD. As for me, I'd rather fear the LORD than be brought to true Holy, Justice!🙏
Amen to that
Okay, my 2015 PMC has 110,000 miles. No oil burning at all. So far, so good. 🤞
Made by Fiat?!? Endless money pit!
Keep putting those videos out Scotty! All big business wants to make this cheap foreign made crap and sell it for big bucks in the states! Food is the next industry to be the victim of foreign made products to come into the states!
Surprise! We have already seen canned vegetables made in China! The cans appeared very well made & labeled though.We have also bought foods made in Vietnam at Costco as well that tasted very good too.
@@smurfweed8513 I am not saying that all foreign cars are bad! I suppose the issue I have are the American cars that are foreign made and are passed off as American made. I would much rather buy a Honda Accord made in Marysville Ohio. The last Chrysler I bought was a1979 Dodge van.
@@smurfweed8513 My 1995 Ford Explorer is still going strong. It was American made.
Scotty. I own ram pro master city and the dealer actually changed the engine for free after it fails the oil consumption test. If you own this vehicle please go and run the test . You probably end up with new engine. Mine was around 130k miles when they changed my engine. No cost to me
they allowed you to do a consumption test at 130k and replaced the engine!? mine has 105k and corporate is not saying yes to me just yet... claiming out of warranty but my dealer told me to contact them for a good will case...
@@brandonbriscoe4712well it only for 2015-2018 ram promaster city. Please check recalls for your vehicle to see If it is qualified
@@haou129 yep yep, mine is a 2018! I have a case manager at Chrysler corporate and no one has mentioned any continuing recalls. the only one is the oil-consumption issue that still continues even though it "passed" at the dealer....
BUT... there was no documentation on the level at which it came in and how much they had to replace during the evaluation period...
@@haou129 what dealer did you go to? my current dealer, Herb Chambers Ram Dodge Jeep, is not helping me... I bought the van there and they have done ALL oil changes since new and I have 105K miles...
maybe I should try yours if you are in the New England area OR give them a call to see if they can suggest another dealer I should try!
I have a 2016 Ram Promaster City with 140k miles. Never any issues burning oil. I use the van daily for service work. Great Van. Zero complaints.
I thought I heard a diesel clattering outside, but it was just my neighbor's jeep compass. What a pile of junk.
I live near the walkway to the school my boys attend. Many parents drive to get their kids and I can always hear a Chrysler coming before I can see it.
180,000 miles on my 2010 Dodge Caravan. Still runs and rides super smooth.
"double speak - GM at their best" right on Scotty
The Italian accent and Mario had my dying Scotty 🤣
Hi Scotty...it's me on my wife's I pad again lol...all the way from Wasaga Beach Ontario Canada...I forgot to mention that my wife drives the 2021Tacoma and I drive a 2006 Chevy Silverado 2wheel drive pickup truck....it used to be a gas company vehicle here in Canada...it's a fully loaded truck for 2006 and I drive it daily....the ac still works....413thousand kilometers....doesn't leak a drop of oil or use any...4.8 engine...I love the truck...it's an extended cab....not sure how much longer the body will last lol....getting pretty tough...anyway I thought I would share with you....
"fully loaded" 2wd? ROFL...that would, by definition, already not be FULLY loaded.
@@edwardschmitt5710 because?????????
@@nancycarlucci1983 because "Fully loaded" means all the available features are included. Like hand cranks are not "fully loaded", also cloth seats instead of leather. To be a "fully loaded" model would mean 4WD if available on your model, would be included. Fleet vehicles are universally not "fully loaded". So I'm not sure of your use of that term. What do you think it means????
Truth hurts, and sometimes it's ugly. We appreciate you Scotty. 🙏
What does Scotty think of Toyota now requiring monthly subscriptions for things like remote start features on their new cars?
I heard about that. Wack
$8 but still it’s stupid.
That is absolutely ABSURD. Next it it’ll be $10 a month if you want to be able to turn your high beams on. A/C in the Summer? $15 a month.
I have been saying this for years now end goal is to end ownership and turn everything into service/lease, go to home depot, appliances, hvac, lghting, advanced tools... almost everything can be networked is app controled and has premium sub features, land and homes are being bought by corporations minute they are up for sale, cars are already remote toys lane depart, auto start stop auto parking means you have no control over your car (famous jeep hacking video shows that clearly)
I work at ZF and working on 8 an 9HP transmissions and they're beasts
The gearing gives fantastic acceleration even when the vehicle is loaded down, and the top gear is really high, gives really fantastic gas mileage at highway speeds. I saw a video on how these transmissions are designed and put together. Those German engineers must be produced on CNC machines.
@@genaugmen4505 😀
I think you put out the highest number of quality videos on the whole of RUclips!!! 👍👍👍
Scotty for president
I work in the major components dept of a major fleet management company, and these are total garbage. I processed 3 engines and 4 transmissions on these just this week alone. The larger Promaster is even worse .... run like the wind straight away from Chrysler's garbage...
Hey from Canada. After seeing your review of the acura rdx turbo I went and bought one. Sucks on gas but its fun to drive!
FIAT stands for Fix It Again Tony. Or Failure In Automotive Technology.
Scotty, you need some hoodies/sweaters in your merchandise section for us Canadians to rev up our dog sleds!
This video being right on time is an understatement. I was actually close to buying a 2018 Ram ProMaster City yesterday. However, the Ford is too small, and the Nissan nv200 has its own problems. I have no idea which one to get
I have a 2017 as my daily driver. 35k on the odometer with no oil consumption or other problems yet. Knock on wood, but I’m happy with it and believe it’s better than the Ford or Nissan. I’m sticking with it until it starts causing me problems then I’ll trade it in and probably get another one.
how bout a classic ford van?
I have a '17 Promaster City and it's been a good van so far. The 2.4 Tigershark engine hasn't had any issues. Connected to a 9spd transmission that allows good acceleration. Yes, it's a Fiat Doblo. The engine is assembled in Turkey and shipped to the US. The engine has to be warmed up before driving and the gauges are hard to read when driving, otherwise, I would still buy it again.
think outside the box (literally!). my PromasterCity has 105k miles and currently have an open case with corporate for an engine replacement for all these reasons Scotty is talking about
I work at a parts store, every time someone calls for parts on a 2011+ “Dodge Ram” I want to scream and hang up. “I need a fuel filter for my 2017 DODGE Ram”. No you need a fuel filter for your FIAT RAM!
Is that the only trigger? Sounds like Starbucks being out of soy milk would also get you screaming....
Designed and made in North America. It's not a "Fiat RAM"
I see the guys with new DODGE Rams are triggered and butthurt. Enjoy your fruity Italian trucks.
I am very confused, my 2017 Dodge has 364,753 miles and I have no problems. I follow the instructions in the manual.
Scotty please never stop.
I have driven this exact vehicle at work and the acceleration really sucked!
The noise from the engine isn’t because it’s cheap or worn out. That’s coming from the multi air brick, which has electronic solenoids controlling the intake valves. What you’re hearing is those solenoids
It's terrible when they sue you for telling the truth!
I got this beat! Between burning oil and the oil leaks from the valve cover gasket My little 1996 Nissan truck with it's little 2.4 liter engine loses oil at a rate of 1 Qt for every 1500 miles.
It seems to me that back in the day (once upon a time) that an engine burning a quart every thousand wasn't considered terrible, this is doing eight times better. The dealer is probably using the recommended 0W20 synthetic, that might be the problem, mayB using say 5W20 or worse yet 5W30 just might improve that number, I don't think these 'thick' oils would compromise the VVT too much. Dealers don't get much back up from the head house anyhows so they will say no for as long as they can get away with it and remember when they do a warranty repair they don't get much from the factory, mayB coffee money plus parts. hell, this is a leased car, oil is cheap, throw a pint in and run it till the lease is over. Keep your records proving you took it to the dealer in case the engine is 'damaged' so there is no end of lease hassle.
I agree . A half a quart of oil every 4,000 miles is no big deal since I change my oil every 3,000 -4 ,000 miles anyway .
@@jayhockley8841 Just wait till it gets more miles
0W20 is your answer and it just gets worse over time
Hello Scotty, hi from Turkey. In here gasoline 2.4 engine is not for sale. People buy diesel only , because of the gas Prices became ridiculus.1.6 diesel is pretty relieable and torquey little engines.Keep up the good work 😊👍